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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody for three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for coming. I'm John Middlecoff, the host

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Speaker 1: of the show. As you guys probably know, appreciate all

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Speaker 1: the positive feedback from Friday show. Blair Walsh, the kicker,

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Speaker 1: who was awesome. I got text from all sorts of

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Speaker 1: he did too, So I appreciate everyone listening and enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I knew he'd I had a I had

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Speaker 1: a good hunch he'd be good, and he was. He

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Speaker 1: was fantastic. It is I mean, you get these stories

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Speaker 1: I know I do. I'm guilty talk so much about

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and the stars. Is sometimes the other players

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Speaker 1: have really good stories. I mean, kickers are are definitely

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Speaker 1: really unique. Uh. He was fantastic. Uh. We got a

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Speaker 1: pretty packed show today. You know, it's it's a little slow,

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Speaker 1: right just in terms of this year. Last time I

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Speaker 1: So we're just rocking and rolling. We are about three

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Speaker 1: and a half weeks I think until free agency kind

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Speaker 1: of opens up, and right now it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a slow time. But uh, got some information on

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. David Tepper reminds me of something Albert Breer

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Speaker 1: wrote something today about to us slash Mac Jones that

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Speaker 1: I want to dive into. I got some questions in

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Speaker 1: the mail bag. I put it on the YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff go search it about cap cuts and cap

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Speaker 1: casualties and they've always happened, but I think this year

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be really unique with veteran players getting injured

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, getting released, healthy players getting released. And

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Speaker 1: then I'll just dive through a couple of stories that

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Speaker 1: I saw. Of course, Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: Also for everyone that has appreciate if you left a

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Speaker 1: review on Apple or iTunes, if you could do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you have time this week, I'd appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It helps. Thank you everyone subscribed to the Three Out

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Speaker 1: podcast separate from Collins feed and uh and yeah, leave

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Speaker 1: a little review. Let's start with Carson Wentz, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's this overarching theme just in general in the

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Speaker 1: unlike let's say basketball, where the players are in control,

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Speaker 1: and I do think they're historically has been a lot

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Speaker 1: feels like everyone economically there, if you're good, you get paid, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean Bryce Harper pits like two fifties making dollars

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Speaker 1: league has its own, you know. I would say issues, complaints,

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Speaker 1: fans are kind of split, and I think overall where

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Speaker 1: team to do well. So sometimes that's rooting for them

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Speaker 1: to keep a player. I mean Seattle, there are rumors

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Speaker 1: it happens. So these issues are complicated. But if as

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Speaker 1: I read today Peter King and Albert Brier about the

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz situation, is Carson Wentz somewhat dictated where he went.

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Speaker 1: Like Carson Wentz, no team like the Bears, for example,

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Speaker 1: Here's what I do. Let's start with one thing, because

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts as a player. I in a million years,

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Speaker 1: if I was a general manager, never would have drafted

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Speaker 1: So when they drafted Jalen Hurts, I thought it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: But so once they draft the guy, Carson Wentz clearly

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Speaker 1: so they pulled the trigger in the second. But Carson

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Speaker 1: sort of reaction. You ideally hope in player acquisition, just

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Speaker 1: like in any walk, any asset acquisition, in your business.

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Speaker 1: It has a positive impact on your company, on the

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Speaker 1: people in your company. In a business setting, obviously makes

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Speaker 1: Their only leverage was just like we just gotta get

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Speaker 1: Here's what I do know about him in Indianapolis. He

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's all on Carson. And here's the

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Speaker 1: He couldn't handle it, right. It just mentally broke him.

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Speaker 1: The competition from the organization, the outside pressures, his own play. Arnie.

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Speaker 1: a Cam hater. But listen, I as a guy that

425
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Speaker 1: gambled against him, washed him play live freak talent. You know,

426
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Speaker 1: his body gave out on him this year. I don't

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Speaker 1: even I don't even hold it against him. But the

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Speaker 1: way they got Cam Doon is they drafted number one overall. Well,

429
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Speaker 1: they're the drafting eight, and I think besides Trevor Lawrence

430
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Speaker 1: and let's face it, Zack Wilson's gonna go. In some

431
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Speaker 1: form of fact, You're gonna go to number two. Either

432
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Speaker 1: Jets are gonna take him, or they're gonna trade the pick.

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Speaker 1: Now could to the Panthers trade up to get him,

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Speaker 1: for sure, But this is predicated just because David Tepper

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Speaker 1: wants it. What if Matt Rule goes, yeah, I don't

436
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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of him. He's not you know,

437
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: we don't want that. Or Joe Brady the offensive coordinator, like, yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: I don't really like that guy. What if they don't

439
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Speaker 1: love one of these other three guys? And I think

440
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Speaker 1: it tells you because clearly, if Matt Rule and David

441
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Speaker 1: Tepper they've been thinking like this all season long, they

442
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Speaker 1: would have started looking at these quarterbacks during the fall.

443
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Speaker 1: And if they didn't. They're not doing their job. And

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Speaker 1: it's not on David Tepper, but I'm saying it's on

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Speaker 1: the football staff. Well right now, why why do they

446
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Speaker 1: go so hard after Matt Stafford. Why are they going

447
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: sorrow hard after Deshaun Watson. Obviously those guys are really

448
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Speaker 1: good players, but they must not love any of these quarterbacks.

449
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: To me, that tells you something. And I think David

450
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: Tepper's impatience because he realizes he can't just fix this

451
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Speaker 1: with money. Honestly, his money doesn't mean a freaking thing

452
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Speaker 1: right now, It doesn't do anything for him because he's

453
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Speaker 1: an equal to all the other thirty two partners, Like

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Speaker 1: they all got money, and there's salary camps. You can't

455
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Speaker 1: just buy players, and like I said, quarterbacks never become available.

456
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Speaker 1: So for the first time probably in his business life,

457
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Speaker 1: you know, in a long time, because even when he

458
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Speaker 1: had quote unquote losses, we're that rich, like whatever. Like,

459
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Speaker 1: he's probably pretty frustrated. It sucks. And I think owning

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Speaker 1: just pro sports teams in general, you come into whatever

461
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Speaker 1: field you're in and you start dominant eating it just

462
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: starts multiplying and you get all this money and you

463
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Speaker 1: become an owner of a basketball team, of a baseball team,

464
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: of a football team. Everyone, especially when you're an older

465
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Speaker 1: guy like Tepper fifties or six years or whatever. Everyone

466
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Speaker 1: for probably the last like twenty years has been blowing you,

467
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Speaker 1: not literally, potentially literally, but figuratively and saying like, you're

468
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Speaker 1: the smartest guy in the room, David Tepper, You're a genius.

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Speaker 1: You're the greatest investor. CNBC wants to have you on,

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg wants to have you on. Jim Cramer wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about you. Can you write a book, can you

472
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Speaker 1: speak to the hard Harvard Business School? Everywhere you go,

473
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Speaker 1: people love you, call you a genius, and then all

474
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're just kind of powerless. I I

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Speaker 1: can't relate. I've never been that rich. I've never owned

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Speaker 1: an NFL team, But it's got to be pretty frustrating.

477
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Speaker 1: And I think these rumors have coming out that he's

478
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Speaker 1: obsessed with the franchise quarterback because he realizes, like shit,

479
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Speaker 1: we might be a no man's land for a while.

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Speaker 1: And my response would be welcome to the NFL. I

481
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Speaker 1: saw something on on Monday morning that I've found pretty interesting.

482
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: It was an Albert Briers Monday Morning quarterback and he

483
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Speaker 1: has like every week some really really good nuggets and

484
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Speaker 1: at an all star game like the Senior Bowl, a

485
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Speaker 1: huge part of it for a lot of players is

486
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Speaker 1: obviously the game and the practices and playing, but it's

487
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Speaker 1: also the interviews. The way it works is they come

488
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Speaker 1: to this there's a hotel room where you go and

489
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Speaker 1: you're I guess this year was different with Corona, but

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Speaker 1: typically every guy or every team you know, sends their

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Speaker 1: brass to like a room or they kind of wall

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Speaker 1: off spaces and you get to interview whatever players are

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Speaker 1: there and you kind of sign up. Same deal with

494
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Speaker 1: the Combine, you know, minutes whatever the exact time is,

495
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes like speed dating. And Albert Brier had a

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Speaker 1: nugget from Devonte Smith, who did not participate in the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, but he went to the game as just

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Speaker 1: to meet teams, which was smart, Like, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: guy is gonna be a top fifteen pick, but super

500
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Speaker 1: high character, super smart. Why wouldn't you go and just

501
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Speaker 1: talk to teams, meet some decision makers. And one team

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna read from the article verbatim, one

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Speaker 1: team x A S. Smith point blank to a were

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Speaker 1: mac Jones. The question was barely finished before Smith answered

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Speaker 1: mac Jones. He was bold and definitive about it, as

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Speaker 1: I was told, think about that, and I think I

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Speaker 1: tweeted this out. It kind of went a little viral

508
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Speaker 1: and a lot of the responses that were hating on it,

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Speaker 1: and again I just posted the I didn't give an opinion.

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Speaker 1: I guess my opinion was, which I'll get to here

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Speaker 1: in a second. If you were a team one, you

512
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Speaker 1: have to ask that question, and a natural question in

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Speaker 1: a scouting sense when you interview a player, especially a

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Speaker 1: big time program, who was the best player you played with?

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Speaker 1: Who was the best player you play it against. This

516
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Speaker 1: is when you have a situation where you have back

517
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Speaker 1: to back quarterbacks that are going to get drafted high.

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously to have got drafted high and mac

519
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Speaker 1: Jones will see, but you know a guy that might

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Speaker 1: be a first rounder, You're gonna ask that question. That

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Speaker 1: question is probably getting asked every single team then interviews

522
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, and once Jalen Waddle and Nazi Harris get interviewed,

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Speaker 1: they will be asked the same question by all the

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Speaker 1: teams whether they need a quarterback or not. You're just

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Speaker 1: that's just part of the duty of scouting. You ask

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Speaker 1: those questions. And some of the pushback was, well, of

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Speaker 1: course DeVante chose mac Jones. He won a Heisman Trophy,

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Speaker 1: and my pushback would be, well, DeVante was all these

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Speaker 1: guys that Bama played right when they got there. He

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Speaker 1: played a lot with ta Right, he played two years

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Speaker 1: with tah basically a year and three quarters. Right too

532
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Speaker 1: got hurt at the end of the season and matc

533
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Speaker 1: came in. I don't see why DeVante Smith, which I

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Speaker 1: have been told, whose character is like elite, like he

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Speaker 1: checks all the off the field box, he's beloved, like

536
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Speaker 1: really really high level guy, why he'd like he gave

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Speaker 1: his opinion. He thinks mac Jones is better than to

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Speaker 1: h And even if you say, well, he's got a

539
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Speaker 1: little biased. Here's what I would say. If I was

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Speaker 1: in Miami Dolphins the brass, I would probably puke in

541
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Speaker 1: my mouth or reading that now, the information is already in,

542
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: like we already know some things. There's not a team

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Speaker 1: in the league that wouldn't take Justin Herbert over to

544
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Speaker 1: uh So they whiffed on that. Now does that mean

545
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: to us bad? No, but that we know for a

546
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Speaker 1: fact that every single team in the league, including the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Right now, if you gave him an A

548
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Speaker 1: or B choice to A or Justin Herbert, they would

549
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Speaker 1: all take Justin Herbert. Everyone listening agrees with me, right now,

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Speaker 1: shake your head. We all agree that that that is

551
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: not an arguable or debatable topic. Now, that does not

552
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Speaker 1: mean independent of Tah's talent was not great. This year

553
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: was benched multiple times for Ryan Fitzpatrick. He came in

554
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Speaker 1: and he led him to a victor against the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: The other one, I think it was the Denver Broncos,

556
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Speaker 1: almost led him to a victory right down the field.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, who actually is a pretty good player, was

558
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Speaker 1: light years better than two of this year because all

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Speaker 1: I ever heard was, well, they don't have any offensive weapons,

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Speaker 1: they don't have any wide receivers. And then Fitzpatrick would

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Speaker 1: come in and he starts slinging around like it was

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino, like, well, Fitzpatrick's throwing into somebody. Two was not.

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Speaker 1: And that comment to me makes me go, I think

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Speaker 1: you can look at it two ways. You can either go, well,

565
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Speaker 1: maybe two was really overrated, or two maybe mac Jones

566
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Speaker 1: is pretty good. And I think the hard part about

567
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Speaker 1: mac Jones is he played it on an all star

568
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Speaker 1: team last year. When TWA got injured and he came in,

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Speaker 1: he didn't just have Jalen Waddle and Naji Harris and

570
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Speaker 1: DeVante Smith. He also had Jerry Judy and Henry Rugs.

571
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Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs was the twelfth pick in the draft and

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy was the fifteenth pick in the draft. There

573
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Speaker 1: is a decent chance that Waddle and DeVante Smith both

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Speaker 1: go definitely in the top fifteen. I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: inconceivable they both go in the top ten. Probably be

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Speaker 1: a little shock, but you never know. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's out of the realm possibility. So they had four

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Speaker 1: wide receivers two years ago with Tah and really this

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Speaker 1: who Toa played with, there were top fifteen picks. Then

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Speaker 1: this year with mac Jones, he had two in Smith

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Speaker 1: in Waddle, but then Waddle broke his leg. Now he

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Speaker 1: also had Nagy Harris, who was much better this year

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Speaker 1: than he was with Towah. But still like maybe mac

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Speaker 1: Jones is really good because part of two of you

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Speaker 1: go back. He had four four wide receivers and I

586
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: remember Daniel Jeremiah talked about it during the season. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't really think this is a hot take either.

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Speaker 1: There are several teams in the NFL that would have

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Speaker 1: taken the two thousand nineteen Bama wide receiving corps over

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Speaker 1: their own. I mean, I held the Patriots, the Jets.

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Speaker 1: It's not that hard to think of something, right that

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Speaker 1: just all four of those guys, four top fifteen picks.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean all four are gonna be good pros,

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Speaker 1: but probably two of the four of them are gonna

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Speaker 1: be really good, and at least one of the other

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Speaker 1: two is going to be decent if one's a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote bust. So that's a pretty freaking good unit. Mike

598
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: go Down is the greatest, most talented, depending on what

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Speaker 1: their wide receiving NFL career is wide receiver unit in

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Speaker 1: the history of college football. I mean, it's just stupid.

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Speaker 1: Four top fifteen picks all playing at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and a running back they might go in the first

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Speaker 1: you know, end of the first round. That's pretty nuts.

604
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Speaker 1: And two quarterbacks that go in the first round, like

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00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: hat tipped Nick Saban, Holy Molly, that guy can recruit

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Speaker 1: and just not just recruit but like he identifies the

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Speaker 1: right guys. This guy ever miss. But I've been really

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Speaker 1: trying to wrap my head around and it's gonna be hard.

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00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: We won't know the answer. Because if you throw on

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Speaker 1: the film, Mac Jones is good, he looks awesome. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of time, He's got guys that

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: are wide open, but he's hitting them in stride. What

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Speaker 1: if mac Jones was at another program just would have

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Speaker 1: been viewed as like Matt Ryan or Old Flacco or

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Speaker 1: an Eli Manning. And remember those guys were viewed really

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Speaker 1: highly because you went, God, they're just good players on

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Speaker 1: kind of average teams. Eli the Old Miss team, Flacco

618
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: a Delaware Matt Ryan was on that crappy Boston college team.

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Speaker 1: Remember he had the crazy comeback I'll never forget. I

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Speaker 1: think it was in college against Virginia Tech where they

621
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: were down like four team with five minutes left. He

622
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: has a touchdown where he's like rolls out, throws it

623
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: across his body and was like, God, this guy is

624
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Speaker 1: pretty good. Mac Jones didn't have to do any of

625
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it's hard, like there's just so much unknown.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how good he was. I assume he's

627
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: just pretty good because he's putting up these crazy numbers

628
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: and kicking everyone's ass. But kind of like toa is

629
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna bring this negative perception of is he playing on

630
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: an all Star team? Well, his team, while it was

631
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: technically better than to us because they won the national championship,

632
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: was actually not as talented as to us because they

633
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: lost some of those wide receivers. Now this year, comparing

634
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: it to to his last year playing right, aren't really comparable.

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Speaker 1: No fans, I guess in the sec they were fans.

636
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm living in this California bubble where you know, hell

637
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: we're still locked up the middle of February, but you

638
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: definitely know fans at Arenas. But I do think you

639
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: could come around on Mac Jones ago. Maybe this guy

640
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: is just good. Maybe if this guy was at a

641
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: program where he had to do more, he could have.

642
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: And that's the questions I think people are gonna answer

643
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: because that type quote. Let's say you were a team

644
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: that didn't talk to Davanta Smith right for whatever reason

645
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you read that quote. The first thing I would do

646
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: if I was a GM, a director of college scouting,

647
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, we need to do a little more

648
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: work on me if I'm if I'm a quarterback needy team, Like,

649
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: is this guy someone would be interested in? We need

650
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: to do a deep dive on this guy and not

651
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, he's just he's a second rounder.

652
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: He's a third rounder, because that's what I've been saying.

653
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't take him in the first round.

654
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: But are we sure? Because when I've been told by

655
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: my buddies that do the sec that Davante Smith is

656
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: the dude in that program, and he says that, I'm sorry.

657
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: That carries weight because that's part of scouting. Like when

658
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you have the highest level player on a program and

659
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: you ask him questions, what he tells you matters. It

660
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: does when you go into a program and you have

661
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: just a blue chip, high character guy. You asked some

662
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: questions about players he played against and played with, and

663
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: when he said, this guy is kind of overrated, I

664
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: don't think this guy is that good or damn, this

665
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: guy was really good. If your grade was a little

666
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: low on him, maybe you go, well, I just want

667
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to do more work. It doesn't mean it's gonna change anything,

668
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: but it makes you think, and I think DeVante Smith, well,

669
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: it brings in to light the disaster that is the

670
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins pick, because we can say all we want

671
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: of like, well, looking back, it's not their job to

672
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: look back. Their jobs. They're not the fans, they're not

673
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: me and the media talking into a mic. It's their

674
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: job to get it right, and they got it wrong.

675
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: And then a dude on Bama says that the quarterback

676
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: the backup was better into a not a great sign,

677
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: but potentially a good sign for a team that wants

678
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Okay, let's fire through a couple of things.

679
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Let's start with the cap casualties. And these are something

680
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: that you get you prepare for every free agent free agency,

681
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: older players that are gonna be released. And it's a

682
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: big I'd say that's a major difference in the NFL

683
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: than the NBA and baseball. An older player that's under

684
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: contract in baseball or basketball, contracts are guaranteed that they're

685
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: not gonna get cut. Maybe they could bought out in

686
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: the season, but going into free agency, they're just on

687
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: a roster. They get traded. In football, those players get released.

688
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: And I think I answered this maybe on a mail

689
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: bag a week ago. I might have put this the

690
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: other last mail bag. I did check out the YouTube pages.

691
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: John middlecoff I put I answered some of you guy's questions.

692
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a mail bag here on the podcast,

693
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: but someone had asked me about Preston Smith and why

694
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna cut them and not trade them. And the

695
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: biggest reason a player gets cut and he doesn't get traded,

696
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: even for a late round pick, when the guy is

697
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: a good player, maybe not like a star player, but

698
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: just a solid starter would start on most NFL teams.

699
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: And I'm just he's he might be a bad example.

700
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I studied him if he feels

701
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: like Preston Smith, solid player, but they're gonna be a

702
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: ton of guys cut, And a big reason those guys

703
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: can't get traded, even on a non Corona when the

704
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: cap you know, goes down year is because Preston for example,

705
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: I think I looked it up his salary cap number.

706
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: His cap hit is gonna be sixteen million dollars. So

707
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: a team, even if they go Preston Smith would start

708
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: for us, but we think he's a seven million dollar player.

709
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: We're not gonna pay him sixteen million dollars. Well, the

710
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: moment you trade for him or just that cap hit,

711
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: you incur it on your books. So that's why a

712
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: lot of guys ultimately get cut, not because they can't play.

713
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: And that that's the one thing that happens in the

714
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: NFL where I think we see guys get cut, even

715
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: J J. Watt, which we can argue teams would have

716
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: traded for him. He's not a seventeen and a half

717
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: million dollar player, and that was his cap hit this year.

718
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: Now just because he's J J. Watt, maybe someone would

719
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: have traded for him. I know that was out there.

720
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know. To me, he's probably like

721
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: somewhere between a nine to twelve million dollar player. Help

722
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: might even be like seven or eight. I think ideally

723
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: he's like a he's a rotational third down pass rusher

724
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: and we'll see how much he ultimately gets. But seventeen

725
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: and a half in a year when the salary Cup

726
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: cap is coming back, there's a lot of money. And

727
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: you see that the Eagles released a bunch of guys. Now,

728
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: de Sean Old gets hurt. But I'm talking about guys

729
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: that legitimately start. It happens every year, right, Guys that

730
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: are like nine to thirty two that feel like, God,

731
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: these guys are good starters. It's because there, it's because

732
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: their contract exceeds their talent and their contract is cutible.

733
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys I'm sure you can think

734
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: of on your team, You're like, God, I wish we'd

735
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: paid this guy a little less, but if his contracts

736
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: guaranteed the dead money, you're kind of stuck with him.

737
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: You're not gonna cut him. But when you have zero

738
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: dead money on some of these players, you go, listen,

739
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: if we can't cut them, we'll just or I mean,

740
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: if we can't trade them, we'll just cut him and

741
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: we'll save the money and then we will either get

742
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: back to below the threshold or use that space help

743
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe bring him back, or get another player that's we

744
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: think is better at a cheaper rate. Because this is

745
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: the salary cap is an economic exercise, So you're gonna

746
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: see a ton of names. You go, damn, they cut

747
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: that guy, especially this year because for the last decade

748
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: the salary cap has basically gone up ten to twelve

749
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, and last year everyone thought by

750
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: this year is gonna be like million once from from

751
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Now it's going back to one,

752
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: So that's twenty million dollars, but it's actually like a

753
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollar swing before Corona. And think about

754
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: it last year, like at the end of the season,

755
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: you had kind of signed and done extensions. You didn't

756
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: know Corona was gonna hit. And even by the time

757
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: free agency happened last year, in Corona was kind of

758
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: taking shape, we didn't really know what was going on.

759
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: So much known hell, I mean in California, flatten the

760
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: curve two weeks and that's what everyone told us in

761
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: the middle of March. If I had heard that in

762
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: March when free agency was going on, flatten the curve

763
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: two weeks pandemic, I know, people didn't even know what

764
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: these words meant. So I don't blame any team that's

765
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: kind of scrambling right now. So there are gonna be

766
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: some decisions where you're like, I can't believe they cut

767
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: that guy. It was out of their control. It really was.

768
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: Now maybe big picture, they had signed some bad contracts,

769
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: but they're in this position where a team could might

770
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: be a you know, two million dollars and they would

771
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: have thought coming into the year that number, or even

772
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: before Corona last year, when they were talking to their owner,

773
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: building out for years to come, because that's what gms

774
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: and contract negotiators do is they would have thought to

775
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: ten will be right around the threshold, will be good,

776
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out from there. Well, now that's you know,

777
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: if it's one eighty and I don't think we have

778
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: an official number, but that's what everyone's righting the You know,

779
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: if you were payer to be to ten, that's thirty

780
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: million dollars over that's a lot of money. That's multiple

781
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: players at fifteen million dollars, maybe three players at ten.

782
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of talent. So that that is

783
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: the reason why guys get cut and they don't get

784
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: traded because of their cap number, not because they can't play.

785
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: Mike you Patti retired. When I was at Fresno State,

786
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: we played Idaho and Idaho was not good. But they

787
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: had this guy at right guard who looked, you know,

788
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: like some of those dudes in games. And I'm not

789
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: a huge Game of Thrones guy. I mean the only

790
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm not into, you know, I would say any of

791
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: that type shows. But when you give me violence and nudity,

792
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: I watch. So I watched it. I was not like

793
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: a game of Thrones Truther. I did watch the entire

794
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: thing just because it was entertaining, but that's not really

795
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: my genre. But he looked like a guy that could

796
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: have easily been a warrior in that show. I remember

797
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: being at warmups, like and I'm by then I knew

798
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: some scouts. We're like, yeah, this guy is gonna be

799
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: a dude. And he was road grading and he the

800
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: Niners ended up drafting him and he was like, he

801
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: was awesome. Four time pro bowler. He had a bad

802
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: injury in that NFC Championship game against Seattle and was

803
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: never quite the same. But before he had his knee shattered,

804
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: that guy was a bad m efer. He destroyed people.

805
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: He was so strong. I mean got that guy was good. Uh.

806
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Jr. Will not be giving his number to

807
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I like it because he goes, well, I've

808
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: been here a year, I was a high pick last year.

809
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: Is my number. I don't blame him. And Carson's like, oh, no,

810
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: no problem, I was gonna take a different I love

811
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: the hate. Carson was like, yeah, no problem, I was

812
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: gonna take a different number anyway, Like, no, Carson, you

813
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: wanted your number. Uh, Michael Pittman wasn't gonna budge and

814
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: he gotta change. I think sometimes changes is good. Wasn't

815
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning If I remember correctly, it was sixteen in

816
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: uh in Indie or eight t in an Indie in

817
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: sixteen in Denver. He definitely changed his number in Denver,

818
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. Uh So it's I mean, if

819
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: anyone needs to change too, it is Carson Wentz. So

820
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: whatever the number changes, I think it's a smart thing

821
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: to do. Let let's bring up some Getty images of

822
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Yeah, eighteen, because he was eighteen the both times.

823
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, Okay, I'm wrong. That was dumb. That's

824
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: that's a badness by me. I felt like he kind

825
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: of went Kobe Bryant. But maybe I was wrong. Clearly, Uh,

826
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, here's what I've been saying, and we've talked

827
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: about on the podcast before. Until your coaches do and

828
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, the general manager feel very very confident about

829
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: the non Trevor Lawrence quarterbacks in this draft. You're not trading,

830
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, and I need Laflour's brother Mike, which if

831
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: Mike's a baller, will just know him no longer as

832
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor's brother. We'll just know him as Michael Floor

833
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: and saw all up to be really, really confident that

834
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's not the guy, because can we went with

835
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? Could we just take a sweet player at

836
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: number two? Could we trade number two for like pick

837
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: five or six and accumulate more second round picks and

838
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: still get a sweet player there? I need to know

839
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: this and that basically what it's been reported. They will

840
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: not trade Sam Donald until they get you know, a

841
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: solid just a concrete opinion on everyone else in the draft,

842
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: a k. The quarterbacks, because there's no reason to get

843
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: rid of Sam Donald if you're not in love with

844
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks. Mike Gut says, I think there's

845
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: a decent chance he stays. Derek Carr, There's been some

846
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: rumors that the Raiders would give him an extension unless

847
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: the Raiders are willing to give him like a hundred

848
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. I see zero incentive for Derek Carr

849
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: to sign an uh A contract extension because why would

850
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: he take quote unquote a discount. If Derek Carr was

851
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: a free agent right now, the Bears, the Washington football team,

852
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: he'd get like a hundred twenty million dollars guarantee. Now

853
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: he's got two years left on his deal, so maybe

854
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: they go, hey, would you take ninety million dollars guaranteed extension?

855
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: If I was Derek, like that would probably be my

856
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: minimum number. But I can not imagine that's the Raiders

857
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: offer I would think they want to do. Like a

858
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins who recently got two years sixty six million,

859
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: so basically thirty three year and fifty one guaranteed onto

860
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: his last year of his deal, which was also fully guaranteed.

861
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: And Cousins between that fifty million dollars and you know

862
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: the eight six he had signed for, you know he

863
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: was over one thirty. Derek's contract was seventy million dollars

864
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: guaranteed the first time, and you know, say what you

865
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: want as he lived up to it or not, Like

866
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: his demand on the open market would be high. I

867
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: don't see the incentive for Derek to sign any contract extension,

868
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: regardless what you think of him. It's just what his

869
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: demand would be on the open market. Plus, is a quarterback.

870
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: I say this all the time when you sign a

871
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: deal like another player. We just talked about cap casualties

872
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: right when you're when you're like a guard and you

873
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: sign a four year, I gotta do it. I gotta

874
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: do an even number. Okay, forty million dollars. So you

875
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: sign a four year forty million dollars, so ten million

876
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: dollars a year, and let's say the team's guarantees me

877
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars. They're basically given me, like you know,

878
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: a two year deal, right, Like you know, the guaranteed

879
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: money is kind of paid up front the signing bonus,

880
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: let's say eighteen million dollars, So it's it's a two

881
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: year contract for sure, and I could probably be cut

882
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: the third year, So I'm not guaranteed to see definitely

883
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: the last year of that deal, and I probably won't.

884
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: Derek signed a five year, one million dollar deal with

885
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: seventy of a guaranteed. He's seen every single penny of

886
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: that year of that deal, and he's either going to

887
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: be the raider starter this year for for you know,

888
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: twenty two million to get closer to that number, or

889
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: get traded and play on that number. He is going

890
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: to see every single penny of that contract. That's the

891
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: one thing with quarterbacks like Mahomes they're gonna have to

892
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: probably change up his contract a little bit because his

893
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: cap numbers so high in like year six and seven.

894
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: But most of these quarterbacks see the entire allotment of

895
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the cash. Were the other players like Amari Cooper last

896
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: year signed a five year, hundred million dollar deal for

897
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. To me, that's a three year contract. Now,

898
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: if a Mari's a top five wide receiver, he'll probably

899
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: play it out at least to four years, but he's

900
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: not guaranteed to see that fifth year. If he was

901
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you'd probably see every penny. So you've got

902
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: to be very cautious. To me, when you're a quarterback,

903
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: like I don't see unless the extension is a lot

904
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: of cash, why you would sign a contract extension if

905
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you were Derek Carr. The other thing is this guy

906
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: named Kima uh Silverland I think is how you say

907
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: his name. He was the guy. I think it was

908
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent who the Seattle Seahawks had in

909
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: training camp. And remember Corona was in full swing. Everyone's

910
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: testing racy. You know rules for the NFL, and you

911
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: know you couldn't leave the hotel or whatever. And he

912
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: had snuck a girl into his hotel room, and he

913
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: got caught, and he got immediately cut. So today I'm

914
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: on the internet and I'm just, you know, trying to

915
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: put together a show, looking for some stories, and I

916
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: see this guy, this Raider player got arrested. I'm like,

917
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, I watched the Raiders pretty closely. I've never

918
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: heard who's this guy? And then I read in the

919
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: fine print he was the guy had got in trouble

920
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: for sneaking the girl in his hotel room during Corona

921
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: when no one was breaking any rules. Only Gruden would

922
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: have this guy on his team. That, to me is

923
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: such a John Gruden player. John Gruden is an absolute

924
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's the modern day Al Davis. I mean,

925
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: no one would touch this kid, and he's got him

926
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: on the team. And then he gets arrested in the

927
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: off season because of course he does the guys that moron.

928
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: He showed you when he snuck the girl in his

929
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: room when every single person in the league is falling

930
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: the rules, just trying to get to the season, and

931
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: this was the one guy that we all made fun of,

932
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: a nobody, right, a guy that probably wasn't gonna make

933
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: the team and he was probably fighting for his practice

934
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: squad life, still breaking the rules. Then the Raiders signed

935
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: with some future contract. A month later, he gets arrested.

936
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: Of course he was a Gruden guy. Okay, let's go

937
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag and Uh, funny thing is the first

938
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: question that I opened John Middlecoff Instagram handles slide up

939
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: in the d M s is it's about this schema?

940
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Uh Siver sibrand his name is kind of hard to say.

941
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: And he says the player he tried to sneak in

942
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: the girl dressed Oh that's that's the best part of it.

943
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: This is where this is where I screwed up. He

944
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: tried to bring in a girl dressed up as a

945
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: player gear into the hotel. And my take at the

946
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: time was essentially, wouldn't sign him. Uh, it was a

947
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: good move for the Seattle Seattle to cut him up. Today,

948
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: Schefter tweeted that the kid now in the Raiders, of course,

949
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: was arrested for street racing and felony evading charges. Does

950
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: the NFL have programs to help younger players like that

951
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: that enter the league to mature and avoid future issues?

952
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: I would say, when you're on this guy, pretty sure,

953
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, went to Oklahoma State. When you

954
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: go to these big programs, you were taught constantly. That's

955
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: all they talk to you about football and maturity football

956
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: and life football and growing up. I saw it firsthand

957
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: at Fresno State always, I don't even want to call

958
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: it hand holding, but just helping guys grow and pushing them.

959
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: And at most of these programs you have so many

960
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: examples because you've put so many guys in the league,

961
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: good and bad, that to look for. And I always

962
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair that college coaches, you know, get

963
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: kind of thrown into this realm kind of like pro

964
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: coaches they don't care. All the college coaches I've been

965
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: around really do care. And once you get to the league,

966
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: like this guy had his moments, he couldn't mature after

967
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: getting cut in training camp, Like I don't know what

968
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: you can do. Like, yeah, individual teams have stuff and

969
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: have mentors and have people in their programs for sure,

970
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know in this situation. Like eventually, as

971
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: a kid, right, put yourself at three years old and

972
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: you get a job. Now, I know being in the

973
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: NFL pays you more, but it's still a job. Like

974
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: you have the weekend off, Like it's on you not

975
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: to crash your car and get a d y. It's

976
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: on you not to be caught drag racing. Like eventually

977
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: at some point in life, you know you have now

978
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: to me if it's addiction, stuff like that, the NFL.

979
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, there are people in every pro graham to

980
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: try to help people. Definitely in college too, and I

981
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: know people act like there aren't there are. I've seen it,

982
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like what are supposed to do, Like, hey, hey, hey,

983
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: my guy Kima, probably not a great idea to be

984
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: going hunter miles an hour or down wherever you're driving.

985
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: And then when you see those uh those lights flashing,

986
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: do you know what the smart thing to do is?

987
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: Even though you know you're probably in deep ship. We've all,

988
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, some of us have been pulled over and

989
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: we knew we might get in some trouble. You gotta

990
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: pull over because the moment you keep going and that

991
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: starts going evading the police. I don't know if he

992
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: was actually in a high speed chase, but this guy's

993
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: just more on. Some guys are not mature enough to

994
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: handle it. It doesn't mean one day maybe ten years.

995
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: This guy matures to realizes he blew it. You're Johnny

996
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Manzell talks sometimes and he's pretty candid about like he

997
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: wasn't ready by just not everyone matures at the same time.

998
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: But like this is basic stuff. I mean, we all

999
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: I get laid, but there's a time and a place.

1000
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: Sneaking a girl in when you're you know, trying to

1001
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: just make the practice squad seems like insane. I mean,

1002
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: just that's just dumb behavior. That's it's that's I mean,

1003
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: you're tempting your your fate of your career, and it

1004
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: cost him. I mean, this guy is never gonna play

1005
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: in the league. And even though grow not White likes

1006
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: him so much, clearly they like him. It's my favorite

1007
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: football podcast. Appreciated Ben. I have more of a general question.

1008
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: How do you termine the success of a GM in

1009
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the league? How do you know when they need to

1010
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: be fired? As a Giants fan, I'll take Gettleman as

1011
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: an example. He's made some good moves, solid draft last year,

1012
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: especially with some good later picks, good free agent signings

1013
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: Bradberry and Martinez. The O B O B J trade

1014
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: turned out well. The judge higher I don't know how

1015
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: much he was a part of the judge hire, but

1016
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: I hear you. But he's also had some bad picks,

1017
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: and of course it's translated into many a bit more records.

1018
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: In your opinion, how much of the team's record should

1019
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: be placed on the GM? What makes a good GM

1020
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: in how many years should the GM get without putting

1021
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: together a team that actually succeeds on the field. To me,

1022
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: here's the key. You can't have a GM that just

1023
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: is getting independently evaluated. This is why your GM and

1024
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: your head coach need to be paired together. They need

1025
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: to come in together. Right. It's like I'll give Dan

1026
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Campbell and Holmes in Detroit fought no and Arthur Smith

1027
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: credit in I mean just the organization credit. In Atlantic,

1028
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: you just bringing guys together, seeing it with less need,

1029
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: brings in John McVeigh, John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan go together.

1030
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll gets hired, He hires John Snyder. They're a team,

1031
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: so they both bear responsibility of the mistakes. Ghettoman feels like, well,

1032
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like, did he hire Shermer? Did he throw Schrmer

1033
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: under the bus? Is he ever anything to do with John?

1034
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: Is he just kind of fighting for himself. I think

1035
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult when you have multiple coaches because

1036
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know who bears responsibility. And I always say

1037
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: this about g MS, it's about more than the draft.

1038
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: It's about hiring the coach. But for those of us

1039
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: on the outside, unless you know John Mara, like, did

1040
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: he hire the coach or was that ownership? Now? He

1041
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: clearly like Daniel Jones. So to me, if you put

1042
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: all your chips in the middle of the table on

1043
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback, even if you drafted well at other positions,

1044
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to take you that seriously because

1045
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: I go, how can I trust you to pick a quarterback?

1046
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: If I just saw you and you missed Ryan Pace

1047
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: out on he went all in a Drobiskie couldn't have

1048
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: been anymore wrong. Who were the other two guys in

1049
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: the draft Mahomes and Watson? You don't shake that at least,

1050
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: I guess. Uh. Gettleman could say, well, what do you

1051
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: want me to do? Take you know, uh, what's his name?

1052
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. You go, yeah, a good point. I don't

1053
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: think David Gettlman is that good. But I'm with you.

1054
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he's terrible. It is very difficult because like,

1055
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: what is a true miss of a draft pick? What

1056
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: if a guy's a special teamer? Uh, you get credit

1057
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: for free agency, like you said with Martinez and Bradberry,

1058
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: but I need to know the quarterback clearly was his

1059
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: choice and something he believed in. Now, Judge like looks

1060
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: like a pretty good coach. He might have been told

1061
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: like he gets to bring his own general manager, but

1062
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: then when that general manager has been there, well, then

1063
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Judge has been there for a couple of years. To me,

1064
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: the only way to truly evaluate if the coach and

1065
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: the GM come at the same time and you can

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00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: just independently evaluate both guys. And I can't really do

1067
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: it with Gettleman. It's hard. It's why it's very subjective.

1068
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: It's why a lot of GM's keep their jobs when

1069
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: most of us on the outside I think they suck.

1070
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: Because here's the other element, Like the owner talks to

1071
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: the guy a lot probably likes him, and it's difficult

1072
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: to hire a new GM. I mean, how many gms

1073
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 1: of the Giants had over the last couple of decadids.

1074
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: They had Jerry Reese, they had Ernie Corsi and Gettleman right,

1075
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: is that the is that the three guys basically in

1076
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: my adult life like they're not big and like going

1077
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: through GMS every couple of years, I know this isn't

1078
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily have an answer because I don't

1079
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: think there is one, right. It's pretty easy with the coach.

1080
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: Do you win or do you lose. It's why a

1081
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of general managers survive because they just blame the coach.

1082
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: The player would have been good. It was a coach's fault.

1083
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: And another thing that happens a lot to GMS is

1084
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: players they cut because their coach doesn't like them go

1085
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: on and play well for other teams. So you always

1086
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: have that in your back pocket where you go see

1087
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: Mr Mara. I don't know exactly who this example would

1088
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: be for the Giants, trying to think off the top

1089
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: of my head, but it happens to a lot of players.

1090
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Do you go we I like this guy draft from

1091
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: the sixth round. You know, our old line coach didn't

1092
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: want to keep him in. Look he's starting for the Patriots.

1093
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Look I told you this dB would be good. He's

1094
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: starting for the Steelers. They have the best defense in

1095
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: the league. It's it's it's it's a weird position because

1096
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: unlike a coach or a player, it's hard to exact.

1097
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: And if you don't know in the draft room, like

1098
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: is geentlemen really picking these players last year? Or did

1099
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: Joe Judge pick him? You know better than me, like

1100
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: following those stories, but even the stories like unless you're

1101
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: in the building, I don't know. I hate not being

1102
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: able to have like a specific answer there. But it's

1103
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: a tough question. How would you explain the importance of

1104
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback position to a person who is not familiar

1105
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: with football. I was born in Brazil but moved to

1106
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: US fifteen years ago and was trying to explain to

1107
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: my friends back home, who are not NFL fans and

1108
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: don't live in breathe football like me, white quarterback is

1109
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: the most important position in sports, big fan. Well, I

1110
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: watched a documentary on MESSI once and maybe I'll let

1111
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: me use a soccer analogy. It does feel like when

1112
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: you get a messy, when you get a Ronaldo. I

1113
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: remember I went to Europe in the mid two thousand's

1114
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: Ronald Dino had the bad teeth and long hair. When

1115
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: you get these Beckham in his prime, and I don't

1116
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: know if he's was ever as good. I'm not. Don't

1117
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: pretend to be some sweet soccer dude, but I do

1118
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: enjoy the star players. They're important, like Messi's importance. Right,

1119
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: he's the best player in the world. He's an unstoppable force.

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00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: When you get a really good quarterback, you have such

1121
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: an advantage every game you show up. You have the

1122
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: best player. When you have Peyton Manny, when you have

1123
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, you never step on the field

1124
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: and don't have the best player. They also, unlike soccer,

1125
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: they literally touched the ball every play there on the field,

1126
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: so when they're you're on offense, they control the ball.

1127
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: That's right. You'd probably the baseball analogy, like the picture

1128
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: controls the game because he's the only guy that guarantees

1129
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: the pitch or hold the ball every single inning and

1130
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: every single play. Right, that's a quarterback, So they just

1131
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: they just dictate the pace of the offense. And the

1132
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: better your quarterback is, the better the other ten guys are. Right,

1133
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: the better you guys are, the better your running back is.

1134
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: Obviously running back is a school guy that he could

1135
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: make your offensive line look good. I mean Peyton Manning

1136
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: did not play with great offensive lines, but you wouldn't

1137
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: know because they had Howard Mudd and they had Peyton

1138
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: Manning and they just got around it. So I would

1139
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: just say the CEO of the team as a the

1140
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: CEO of the player version. Obviously the coach is also CEO.

1141
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: So you got co CEOs, the coach and the quarterback.

1142
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: You can't win without. You need them both. I'm an

1143
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: Oregan guy. Mariota can still be special. What team is

1144
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: the best move for him to realize his potential? It's

1145
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: not grouten. Thanks for your insight. I would probably lean

1146
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I would say that the Patriots like him.

1147
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: They could probably get a lot out of him. He's mobile, uh,

1148
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: he's smart. I think the knock on him is he

1149
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: like a pure passer. He's been, you know, pretty erratic

1150
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: in his career. I thought he was a little bit

1151
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: overrated as a pastor coming out of college. But he

1152
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: is physically gifted, Like his arms pretty good, his legs

1153
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: are awesome. He's actually much I met him a couple

1154
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: of times. He's way bigger than you think. Um, and

1155
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: he's beloved like people love the guy. He's just a

1156
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: high character Honestly, he's kind of feels like a Patriot.

1157
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots would make a lot of sense

1158
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: if the Texans offered to Shawn Watson. The charges for

1159
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: justin Herbert is their additional compensation needed. One has done

1160
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: well for a year on a rookie contract, and the

1161
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: other is the top five quarterback that wants out. I

1162
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: think the most valuable thing you can have in the

1163
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: NFL is a player of Herbert's caliber on that contract.

1164
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: So I think under no circumstances, and and who knows,

1165
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: it'll bear itself out over the years, and there's no

1166
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: guarantee Herbert is going to maintain this level of play,

1167
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: But based on his one year, you would bet on

1168
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: him being a store and betting on a star under

1169
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: that contract. He's the most valuable player in the NFL

1170
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: right now. Now Mahomes is better than Herbert, right, but

1171
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: his contracts really expensive, Josh Allen, once he it's extended,

1172
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really expensive. Deshaun Watson is really expensive.

1173
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: Brady Rogers, You guys make a lot of money to

1174
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: her her make like six million bucks. If you can

1175
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: be a top six or seven quarterback making six or

1176
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: seven million dollars, you have the best deal in the league.

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: So I just think the Chargers would say, listen, Shawn's

1178
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: a star, but we're not interested. And I think that

1179
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: the Texans would do that deal yesterday obviously under no circumstance.

1180
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: If you're the Chargers, would you do that deal because

1181
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: you try to build a championship team around his cheap

1182
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: contract for the next three years. That's what makes Herbert

1183
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: really so valuable. I'm from Chicago and would love a

1184
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: competent quarterback. Do you think Ryan Pace and Matt Naggie

1185
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: have what it takes to draft and groom a quarterback? Uh?

1186
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Pason No? Uh? He like I said, he thought

1187
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: Mr Robiskie was better than Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes.

1188
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: That happened, literally, it happened. Matt Naggie, I do he was.

1189
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: He learned under coach read Seen vic Folds. Then he

1190
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: goes to work with Alex and Mahomes rookie year. I

1191
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: do think he would be very, very good with the

1192
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: young quarterback. And I think it's clear Trabisky just kind

1193
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: of is what he is and he was just capped

1194
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: being probably average at best. There was nothing mad. If

1195
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: you gave Trabisky to Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan.

1196
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he would be any good. Maybe he'd

1197
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: be a little bit better, but not much, not much,

1198
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: so I think, Yes, now, am I bias on this one?

1199
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: Of course I am. He's my guy, but I can't

1200
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: judge him off Mr Robisky, I can't know, won't because

1201
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: I think we all kept to come to the conclusion

1202
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: Troubisky is not any good relative to the second overall pick.

1203
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: He'll probably have a ten year career. He actually might

1204
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: be a pretty good backup. It's pretty mobile, could come

1205
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: in and start a couple of games. I would love

1206
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: Mr Bisky like five six million dollars in my backup,

1207
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of like a Mariota. I could deal with that.

1208
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: I think Troubisky has got a good backup potential. But

1209
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: when you draft a number overall, you don't think in

1210
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: four years is gonna be a backup? Think about Mr

1211
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: Bisky did not have fifth year option picked up. How

1212
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: much money is Mr Biscuit gonna get? The Bears cannot

1213
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: bring them back? I see I read that sometimes it's

1214
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: an option to me. Under no circumstances can Mr biscuit

1215
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: come back unless you're gonna bring them back as the backup,

1216
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: And how do you do that? It's over, let's just

1217
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: it's just let it go. Uh. And I think they

1218
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: will appreciate the d M s again. Slide up in

1219
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: those d ms. I think I got a bunch I

1220
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: gotta respond to, but I gotta go through room. But

1221
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: I I need some more. Uh Yeah, have a good week, Audios.