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Speaker 1: Live Hell.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 3: This is a show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 3: with case updates, hot take revisions, and all the unlocked

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Speaker 3: memories we can muster.

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Speaker 2: Today we're rewinding to episode ninety three, which we named

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Speaker 2: Live at the Grove in Anaheim for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 3: This episode came out on November two, twenty seventeen. Let's

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Speaker 3: listen to the intro of episode ninety three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 5: That was scary.

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Speaker 3: We should have done it in the dark. We should

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Speaker 3: do the whole thing in the dark.

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Speaker 5: What is that?

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Speaker 2: That was scary? That was Friday the thirteenth. Still it

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Speaker 2: makes sense. I know it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's just Saturday the fourteenth, No big deal. Everything's super chill.

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Speaker 3: How's it going you guys? Us too, us too? That's

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Speaker 3: true for real. Samesis glad to see all your faces.

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Speaker 3: I think you're safe and sane in this crazy world.

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Speaker 3: And the Dodgers we could be talking about. Would you

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Speaker 3: say the Dodgers?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, we're.

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Speaker 3: Right by a baseball thing, you guys, Am I right

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Speaker 3: about the Dodger?

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Speaker 1: Or Am I right?

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Speaker 2: That was pandering?

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: You what somebody who's like, you have to back it

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Speaker 4: up somehow. No, they've gone nine for seventeen this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 2: We were just standing in the back in the green

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Speaker 2: room and there's a big screen TV with the game on,

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Speaker 2: and we were both staring at it trying to figure

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Speaker 2: out if the game.

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Speaker 3: Was over yet.

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Speaker 4: Was I was trying to tell Georgia that everything.

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Speaker 3: We were watching were automatic replays. I was like, this

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Speaker 3: is no, this is a replay. And this is also

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Speaker 3: replay as well.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's still happening.

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Speaker 4: You're just like, it looks live. It looks really live

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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's how they do it.

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Speaker 4: They use replays all the time.

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Speaker 2: And then Vince was yelling at the TV, telling it,

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Speaker 2: telling it what sports.

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Speaker 4: We fucking love sports, don't we murdering?

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Speaker 3: No, there's a tiny baby.

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Speaker 4: What's a tiny baby with headphones?

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Speaker 1: Take those headphones.

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Speaker 4: Let's teach him some swear words. What's you do it?

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Speaker 3: We have terrible stories to tell you.

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Speaker 4: Get ready for the word.

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Speaker 5: Hi baby, Hi Hi.

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Speaker 1: Nope, can't see this far yet.

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Speaker 3: What if we did this for like we said this

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Speaker 3: for nine full minutes, Hey, nope, doesn't care.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't give us single shit.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, we got the rest of you guys.

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Speaker 4: George's kind of a local girl. I hope you know that.

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Speaker 3: I forgot about that, and now I'm nervous.

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Speaker 2: My sister wanted to be asking if anyone went to

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Speaker 2: school with me or got high with me?

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Speaker 1: Who's here tonight? I don't think so. We can't remember

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Speaker 1: someone over there?

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Speaker 4: They're liars.

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Speaker 2: There is the wife of someone that I used to

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Speaker 2: go to raves with here supposedly, so that's kind of.

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Speaker 4: Cool, I mean, is it?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 4: No, remember those pants. Come on, you guys.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to pretend it's school just the past.

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Speaker 3: We saw the apartment Georgia grew up in.

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Speaker 1: We drove.

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Speaker 4: She was getting knock open doors.

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Speaker 3: I had to pay.

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Speaker 4: Hi, what's up? How's your day going? Can we look

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Speaker 4: through your house?

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Speaker 1: Can I cry and walk through your house at the same.

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Speaker 3: Time I work through some serious issues in your living room?

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Speaker 4: Do you have time?

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Speaker 2: My therapists want me to just to lay down in

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Speaker 2: a fetal position in the place I grew up in

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Speaker 2: and I'll be better. So do you mind if I

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Speaker 2: come in? Is the carpet still shag carpet from the seventies,

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Speaker 2: even though I was twenty years later.

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Speaker 4: No fuck what color brown? Oh my god, brown, like

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Speaker 4: all the rest of the city.

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Speaker 3: Dude, right, this fucking city I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: I'm like fucking crazy and like got everything pierced and

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Speaker 2: tattooed and like Granda La immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice. Ye, it's nice.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, there's something very soothing about it though,

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Speaker 3: because you're just like, oh, we're at that same apartment complex. No,

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Speaker 3: it's a seven to eleven. Nope, no, sorry, it's a

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Speaker 3: grammar school, I see.

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Speaker 2: Even my high school was fucking tam and stucco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stucco.

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Speaker 4: It's really nice. Sometimes this is not insulting to you

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Speaker 1: I don't mean Anaheim.

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Speaker 2: We're talking specific. Yeah, Anaheim's shill as fuck. You got

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Speaker 2: that big Disneyland thing.

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Speaker 3: Just name shit that's around the city. You have a

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Speaker 4: Than the other burgs.

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Speaker 3: There's the good burger king by the freeway, and then

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Speaker 3: there's that grossburger king that's out by that field.

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Speaker 1: Don't go there. We are staying at.

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Speaker 2: A hotel close by, and it's one of those hotels

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Speaker 2: where I think the families go to Disneyland for like

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Speaker 2: and they all fucking are so sick of each other

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Speaker 2: and hate each other.

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Speaker 4: It was it's like the family fight in over there.

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Speaker 3: It's just I go, is that lady going out into

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Speaker 3: like a doppler effect of like what there's one lady

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Speaker 3: that was just standing there going lucy Lucy, but angrier Lucy.

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Speaker 4: She did it like twelve times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were sitting in the room like working on

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Speaker 2: our stories, and then we would just start laughing because

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Speaker 2: it was like in the other room, why it's pretty

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Speaker 2: great and.

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Speaker 4: They don't deserve Disneyland.

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Speaker 2: And then it just makes you think of all those

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Speaker 3: Is everyone fucking hated each other.

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Speaker 4: They hate each other. Yeah, well, I'll tell you when

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Speaker 4: I my first trip to Disneyland age five, fifth birthday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, That's not why we went, It's just it

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Speaker 3: was just a coincidence.

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Speaker 4: They actually played it down families are the worst.

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Speaker 3: I love it because it was also Mother's Day weekend,

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Speaker 3: so it's our family and the Mazzoni family.

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Speaker 4: And then my Grandma Grace.

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Speaker 3: And one of the first rides we went on was

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Speaker 3: Pirates of the Caribbean, and I can remember this like

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Speaker 3: it was yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting in front of my dad.

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Speaker 3: This second we went through the restaurant lagoon where everything

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Speaker 3: to go into the rest of the very chill ride.

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Speaker 3: There's something that I didn't like, how dark it was.

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Speaker 3: There's a little skeleton talking to you about shit. Man,

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Speaker 3: it's not for five year olds on their birthday. And

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Speaker 3: so I just started screaming and.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't stop screaming and my dad. I remember my dad.

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Speaker 3: Being in my ear and he got point There's like

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Speaker 3: a different I can't remember, but he just kept pointing

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Speaker 4: She's not screaming at all.

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Speaker 1: Shaming you.

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Speaker 3: So when we got out of Pirates of the Caribbean,

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Speaker 3: I thought my parents were taking me back on to Pirates.

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Speaker 4: Of the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: So I got the fuck out of there, and I failed,

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Speaker 3: and I was lost for three hours in Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or they like let her go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I walked around by myself until I found a guy

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Speaker 4: And then I said, my family is lost.

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Speaker 3: And they brought me to a tiny house that was

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Speaker 4: That's when I knew things bad things are about to

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, here's this is the end

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Speaker 3: where you live forever.

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Speaker 1: You live here.

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Speaker 3: Now, Oh my god, girl, you have to eat this

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Speaker 3: lost child's house like this, like like a true monster,

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Speaker 3: so pissed. And apparently while I was gone, my grandmother.

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Speaker 3: All my grandmother would say to my mother, is I

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Speaker 4: So just fun, healthy times at Disneyland.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, we would every Christmas, all

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Speaker 2: the Jews and all the Muslims would go to Disneyland

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Speaker 2: because there's nobody there. It was like awesome, and we

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Speaker 2: were all like, we're all friends and we were high

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Speaker 2: fighting each other. It was like we came together on Christmas.

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Speaker 1: That was so great.

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Speaker 4: That's actually Walt Disney's dream.

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Speaker 3: He was very low key about how much he wanted

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Speaker 4: It was his real fantasy.

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Speaker 3: We're all like, fuck Christmas, let's go to Disneyland. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then Chinese food together, right, yeah, yeah, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: It was pretty fun. And then the last I've tried

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Speaker 3: because he's from you know, and uh yeah, we've walked in,

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Speaker 3: walked and you keep accidentally going on like a day,

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Speaker 2: And then it's like so crowded that I have a

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Speaker 2: panic attack. And so then we just go and get

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Speaker 2: drunk at the cheeky bar.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Fuck it, that's what those bars are for.

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Speaker 1: Seats go up and down. You're like, what's happening? And

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Speaker 1: it's so fun. It's pretty great.

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Speaker 4: I miss getting drunk at Disneyland.

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Speaker 3: You need a minute, I mean, can I just go

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Speaker 3: back real quick to nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's so good at it.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, as a blackout drunk, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: known until I fell down onto your shoes that I

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Speaker 3: was a blackout chan because I just fucking I didn't slurred,

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Speaker 3: I didn't try to tell you a fucking secret the

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Speaker 3: whole time I handled my shit. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: I made it. I made it work for everybody. It

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Speaker 2: You describe me I slur and I tell secrets. It's

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Speaker 2: all I know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: For us, And then you had I'm slur. I'm not

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Speaker 4: Give me here.

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Speaker 3: Also, when you're in drunk, time takes so much fucking longer.

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Speaker 3: And then I did it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the new rule, you know what it was?

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Speaker 2: So someone voodoo. Someone brought us donuts. Oh, zombie donuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're over thinking the hatchet and need a reason.

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Speaker 4: I put a hatchet on a peanut butter ball.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't save them.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't.

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Speaker 1: We tried. We got a picture of it. That's all

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Speaker 2: So babies laughing, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: No, that was a fart.

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Speaker 4: Real, he loves me, butter balls? Get up here?

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Speaker 5: Is he love?

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Speaker 1: That means we're pretty. When babies laugh, I think you're pretty.

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Speaker 1: I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: You don't know that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that rule.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sad.

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Speaker 3: It peanut butterble Oh yeah, yeah, oh this is my

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Speaker 2: No, I like when I say it, when I say

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. And kill gariff by the way.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is Georgia Hartstark by the way, Thank you, local

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Speaker 3: girl extraordinaire. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What did you call me?

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Speaker 3: Extraordinaiy local girl, extraordinary, thank you. Yes, I called you

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Don't use that word.

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Speaker 3: Don't use that word. There's got to be something.

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Speaker 1: I know something. What his name is, Steven? Oh, that's right, there.

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Speaker 5: Are look at him.

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Speaker 4: Local boy, local boys. Love you, Morris. Where are you from?

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Speaker 4: I'm from Anaheim? Oh my god, yeah, you're where we

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Speaker 3: We're here. Yeah, Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 6: I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. The last time I was here, I

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Stephen's crying in the back row? No, this is my story.

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Speaker 4: No, let's do the audience questions. I can't answer.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you're.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're I went for two years ago. I moved away.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Are you proud of your son?

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Speaker 4: Are you proud of your son?

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Speaker 5: No? He doesn't bid me, but you did do him?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: Go away, go.

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Speaker 3: That guy, that guy, what a guy?

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Speaker 4: He makes it happen? What I kind of hear?

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Speaker 1: Are you really what?

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Speaker 4: He makes it happen.

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Speaker 2: A professional show is when the other person keeps going

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Speaker 2: what what?

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Speaker 1: Sorry?

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Speaker 4: What was your joke?

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Speaker 3: I want to laugh?

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Speaker 2: You listen, these shoes I can wear them for an

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how about you do just a quick walk?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh my, it's weirder every time because I'm so uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: Why don't you go, Karen?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I why I I don't like high heels.

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Speaker 1: Look at those sleeves.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks so much. Oh that side really liked

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Speaker 2: Let's play the game of where how high do our

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, whoever goes the highest winds. They should make spanks

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Speaker 3: that color coordinate with your skin tone and hair color,

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Speaker 3: and you just fucking pull that.

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Speaker 4: Thing all the way up.

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Speaker 3: Just get in like a sleeping bag, but really tight,

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Speaker 3: and just be like, how do you like me? Now?

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Speaker 2: They got fake eyelashes on them so you look like

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Speaker 3: Then you just start stabbings drinks. Yeah, that's the only

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Speaker 1: That's a little too close.

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Speaker 3: Are we.

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Speaker 4: There're saying you want to sit down, Sure, let's do it. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a nice wide seat, thank god, with some

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Speaker 4: All the way right by Karen. Hey, that's good action,

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Speaker 4: that's good English. Can you go all the way around

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Speaker 4: on yours? Can you?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Can you go all the way around on it?

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Speaker 1: Were me?

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Speaker 5: You?

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Speaker 4: What if everyone had this year.

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Speaker 3: The best show ever, you would not be distracting.

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Speaker 4: You would not everyone had the best time.

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Speaker 2: It looks like we're this is the perfect height to

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Speaker 3: You like, have a.

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Speaker 4: You're like wash your hands, wash your hands? Why don't

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Speaker 4: you wash your hands? Lotion?

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Speaker 3: Your cuticles are horrifying, And we're back.

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Speaker 2: This is a show we talk about a lot because

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: We had done San Francisco and Oakland, so you had

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Speaker 3: Oh, but your family didn't. That wasn't a show they

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Speaker 1: No, it's la is the family show.

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Speaker 3: Well I love that because then you got to do

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was fun and i'ms cool Rvine's not. So

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Speaker 3: I mean it was for me more than good and

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Speaker 4: Rocking back and forth.

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Speaker 4: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It was too good.

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Speaker 3: So good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, really fun.

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Speaker 2: Should we get right into it?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into Karen's story about Daniel Wosniak.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna go first tonight, Okay, And this

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Speaker 3: you probably know it. It's this is the murders of

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Speaker 3: This is fucked up shit, mostly because it involves community theater.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a problem. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six year old Sam Hare and his family were

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Speaker 4: His family is thrilled to have him home. He uh

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Speaker 3: He enrolled in Orange Coast College and uh right, an amazing,

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Speaker 3: sports program. And then I'm wrong whatever, all.

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00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 4: Right, okay, go on, what about it?

458
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: Is it just the beiges, the fighting beige Okay. He

459
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: also moved into the Camden Martinique apartment complex and Coast

460
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,239
Speaker 3: of Mesa and it was totally from the uh you know,

461
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: twenty twenties and the murder shows that I've watched. It

462
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: was one of those apartment complexes where it's just a

463
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: bunch of young people fucking hanging out by the pool

464
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: drinking Miller lit.

465
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: So just realized that they live in that apartment ville.

466
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: Oh really, I harder go oh or something. So they're

467
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 3: just having a really public and loud response.

468
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 5: To the fucking martinique.

469
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: I left my bike there. Okay.

470
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: So Sam makes plans to visit his parents for the weekend,

471
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: and when he doesn't show up, his dad, Steve immediately

472
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: knows something's wrong because the family's super close and he's

473
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: a super responsible person that doesn't flake out on things.

474
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: So he calls Sam's phone over and over and Sam's

475
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: phone seems to be off, which Steve knew that there

476
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: was a problem with that because he never ever turned

477
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: his phone off the phone off. So finally, around nine

478
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: o'clock at night, he decides to drive over to Coasta

479
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: Mesa to check on his son. So when he gets

480
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: to the apartment, he lets he had a katy the

481
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: apartment as well. He lefts himself in. It's silent. He's

482
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: calling Sam's name, there's no one there. He's walking around

483
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: the house and checking every room, and he finally goes

484
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: into Sam's bedroom and he finds the dead body of

485
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: a woman who's kneeling on the floor, leaning over the

486
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: bed with blood all around her upper body, and he

487
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: immediately calls the police and he and Sam is not there,

488
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: and so the police question him and ask him what's

489
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: going on, and he was like, there, there's no way

490
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: my son has anything to do with this.

491
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 4: This is not who he is or what he does.

492
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: And they eventually find out they when they go in

493
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: to investigate and look at the body, her pants have

494
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: been cut from the from the waistband down through the butt,

495
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: through the seat so that her butt was exposed. And

496
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: on the back of her shirt someone wrote all yours

497
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: fuck you. There were no signs of a struggle in

498
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: the apartment, it was just that body and that horrible scene.

499
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: They found her purse there and they make the id.

500
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: She's twenty three year old Julie k Kebo. She had

501
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: been Sam's tutor in anthropology.

502
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: That's how they met, and they'd.

503
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: Become really good friends and they were not romantically involved.

504
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: They were just close friends.

505
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: So Detective Jose Morales and Lieutenant Ed Everett with the

506
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: Coast to Mesa Police are looking at the scene and

507
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: they're worried that what's happening is that Sam, from his

508
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: military background, has PTSD and he snapped and killed Julie

509
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: and now he's on the run.

510
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 4: That's what they're.

511
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: Putting together, and of course Steve Hare was assuring them

512
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: this he did, he did not, and he was really

513
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: happy and he was doing really well. But that's when

514
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: they when they find out that Sam's passport is missing,

515
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: they are like, he's on the run, right, So as

516
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: they're processing his apartment as a crime scene, they come

517
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: upon a wedding invitation and it's from Sam's neighbors, thirty

518
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: two year old Daniel Wozniak and his fiancee Michelle Buffett,

519
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: sorry Rachel Buffett. So they go to interview them, and

520
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: Dan and Rachel tell the police what every other interview

521
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: eventually tells them, which is that Sam was kind, he

522
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: was caring, he was really energetic.

523
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: Everyone liked him.

524
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: He made friends really quickly, and you know, he was

525
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: like a popular guy in the apartment complex.

526
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: So two days later, the autopsy.

527
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: Comes back on Julie's body and there's.

528
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: A couple surprises.

529
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: She had not been sexually assaulted, which made them believe

530
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: this probably was a stage scene in some way that,

531
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: along with the fact that there was no there didn't

532
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: seem to be a struggle. There was nothing knocked over,

533
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: there was, it wasn't like that.

534
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 4: On top of.

535
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 3: That, they had only seen one one bullet wound in

536
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: her head, so they assumed she was just shot once

537
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: in the head. But the autopsy came back she'd actually

538
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: been shot twice in the head and they just couldn't

539
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: see the second wound because they were so close to

540
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 3: each other. So meanwhile, Sam Dad Steve is doing his

541
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: own detective work because they shared a bank account that

542
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: they had set up before Sam went to Afghanistan so

543
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: that his checks from the Army could just get direct

544
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: deposited or whatever.

545
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if they were direct depositive, but but

546
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: you know, some way conveniently put into the bank.

547
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Does Army have direct deposits?

548
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

549
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: And those are the kind of things I add in

550
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: just because I think it sounds right, And then later

551
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: on people are like, excuse me, the Army stands against

552
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: direct deposit And then I'm like, sorry, we'll make an

553
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: announcement on the next show, so let us know.

554
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, but only through a handwritten letter.

555
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: Or direct deposit or direct deposit right into our brains.

556
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: That's fun too.

557
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: So it turned out that Sam had saved sixty two

558
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: thousand dollars while he was overseas, and Steve is monitoring

559
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: the bank account. He sees that someone starts to use

560
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: the ATM card in Long Beach and taking cash out

561
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: of the bank and also ordering pizza.

562
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what you do with an ATM card.

563
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: So he brings all that information, the record and all

564
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: that to the police, and when they check the security

565
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: camera footage at the bank where the activity took place,

566
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: the picture of the guy using the ATM card is

567
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: not Sam, because they think Sam's on the run. He's

568
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: just trying to like go to a different city and

569
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: get money. But it's not him. It's a teenager, a

570
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: teenager with wearing a hoodie and big sunglasses. So they

571
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: they trace the pizza order to this house in Long Beach.

572
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: And then they stake.

573
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: Out the house when they know that a second pizza

574
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: or is someone screaming?

575
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: Is it?

576
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Don't ask?

577
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: Is it barfing?

578
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: Okay?

579
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: I mean we've had that, I mean more times than screaming.

580
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: You're allowed to barf in the aisles and then crawl out.

581
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: It's happened before, but no screaming.

582
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: Just don't scream, listen, Okay, So they go and they

583
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: stake out this house in Long Beach and because they

584
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: heard that another pizza order was coming.

585
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: So then the pizza guys walking up and the cops

586
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: pull him into a van.

587
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: Grab his outfit. Yeah, oh my god, it's like fucking

588
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: naked guns. Yeah, it's a little nuts, but they're like,

589
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: we're going in undercover pizza style, and they put on

590
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: his gross shirt and.

591
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: Walk up to deliver the pizza.

592
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: And when the door opens, the SWAT team just fucking

593
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 3: goes into this house.

594
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: And it turns out sixteen year.

595
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: Old Wesley Freelik and his friends are there playing video

596
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: games and wanting to eat pizza and I'm sure smoking

597
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: a ton of weed. So immediately he spills it to

598
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: the police because it was like his mom was in

599
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: her room.

600
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

601
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: He was in so much trouble with you guys. But

602
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: it turned out he says a guy had hired him

603
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: to go extract money from the ATM every day, and

604
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: he the guy told him he was a bail bondsman.

605
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: That and the account belonged to a criminal that he

606
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: had just arrested, and he was just getting his money

607
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: back from the bond. But he needed right, He needed

608
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Wesley to take it out. Since he was a minor,

609
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: he couldn't be charged for that. And the police are like,

610
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: who the monk is this guy? And Wesley says, oh,

611
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: it's someone my mom met at community theater, Daniel Wosney

612
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: at the guy who had invited Sam to his wedding.

613
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: So on May twenty sixth, the police pick up Daniel

614
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: at his bachelor party.

615
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, they bust on purpose for that, and

616
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: then they waited while they were in the bachelor party.

617
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: They're like, we're about to totally fucking arrest you.

618
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: What's that? Can I get two of those?

619
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Or what if they came in and listen when they

620
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: came in cop outfits, it rights itself.

621
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: You're all under arrest for being too sexy? Do you

622
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: know that happened to me once?

623
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: What he got arrested for being too sexy?

624
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: Yep, I didn't want to tell you because I had

625
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: my record. It's fine, but no.

626
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: On my thirty fifth birthday at work, my friends, my

627
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: friends who I worked with, hired a stripper. And so

628
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: in our morning meeting at the Ellen DeGeneres show, we're.

629
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: Sitting in her office, really sexy, so the sexiest of settings.

630
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: We're in the office and an insanely hot guy wearing

631
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: a police uniform that's opened.

632
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: The button is open down to there the telltale sign.

633
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: And he comes in and he's like he had this

634
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: insane accent. He was just like the you have a

635
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: lexus And I was like, would.

636
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: That guy say and they're like, it's hers, it's her lexus.

637
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: My god, I was like what and he was It

638
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: was like he was dressed like a cop, but he

639
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: was kind of pretending to be a meter maid.

640
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: Like it didn't make he didn't think the story through

641
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: of what the trick was.

642
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: And then he came in and just started freaking me

643
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: and it was eleven am.

644
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: Everybody so inappropriate. It went on and on.

645
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't fight this. I want to

646
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: fight it, I can't. I just have to kind of

647
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: relax into it. And basically he at one point near

648
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: the end, he picked me up and then he laid

649
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: me down on the couch and then began to stimulate

650
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: that he was going to.

651
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: Go down on me. And I was like, this is

652
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: my job, Like.

653
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: Ew, we can't do this here, and so I just

654
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: leaned down and I grabbed his head and I go

655
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: that's enough.

656
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

657
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: So for your best friend's next birthday, I highly recommend

658
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: hiring a secret stripper. Okay, Oh why were we talking

659
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: about that?

660
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, back to the murder us.

661
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: Okay, because we're monsters. Yeah, I will take any fucking

662
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: random down and be like, oh wait, can I tell

663
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: you one thing?

664
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: Okay? So they bring Daniel into the station to question him, and.

665
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: They show him the picture of Wesley in front of

666
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: the ATM machine and he goes pale, and so he goes,

667
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: all right, I'll tell you everything. So he says that

668
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: he and Sam had this idea that they were going

669
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: to take the money out of his out of his

670
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: checking account or his account, which it could have been savings,

671
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: out of his bank account.

672
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: Bank.

673
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: They were going to take all that sixty two grand

674
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: I believe it was out of the account, and then

675
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: Sam was going to claim fraud and then.

676
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: Oh it was the baby. I get it.

677
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: We're not mad at a baby. Then they were going

678
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: to claim fraud, and then then the bank would have

679
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: to return the money. So he's saying that the dude

680
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: who's supposedly on the run is in on it. Yes, exactly,

681
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: that they basically they had this plan together that they

682
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: were going to steal this money and ultimately make like

683
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars or whatever. But then

684
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: he said that Sam called him the night of the

685
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: twenty second and said I did something bad and then

686
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: told him that he murdered Julie Jesus. And so the

687
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: police were like, Okay, they're kind of trying to put

688
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: it together and see if it sinks up with you know,

689
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: the evidence that they have.

690
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 4: And at one.

691
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: Point they ask Daniel for DNA and he kind of

692
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: like his face changes a little bit and then he's like, well,

693
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: I was in the apartment. And then they're like, oh,

694
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: do tell and uh he says, quote, yes, I saw

695
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: the goddamn body. Is that what you want? Is that

696
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: what you want to hear? Community theater? Oh, I don't

697
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: think in the real world ever, anyone has ever asked

698
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: someone a question or told somebody something and yelled is

699
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: that what you want to hear? Like you just are

700
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: saying it. You don't give a shit. If they want

701
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: to hear it or not. If you're trying to tell

702
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: them that has like a Cagney accent to it, Yeah.

703
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: That's ex same.

704
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, yeah, it's fakey fakirs. Yeah is that okay? Yes,

705
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: I saw the goddamn body. Is that what you want

706
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 3: to hear? Coppers line?

707
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: No, no, my line.

708
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: Then he says, I shall I saw the two got

709
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: gunshots to the head, and the police are like a donuts,

710
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: you're under arrest because there's no way anybody in the world.

711
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: They're experienced police who were on the scene didn't know

712
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: it was two gunshots until the autopsy came back, so

713
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: they're like, he was there, he knows what happened. So

714
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: when they tell him that, he just blurts out, I'm

715
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: crazy and I did it.

716
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: I killed them both. So here's what the truth of

717
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: all of it was. And this is just I mean.

718
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 3: So he's broke, of course, he hasn't paid his rent

719
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: in months, and he didn't have a job of any

720
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: kind except for taking roles in community theater. That's not

721
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: a job. It's not officer, it's it's a passion. Sure,

722
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: it's definitely an art. It's an art form for some.

723
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: But that don't.

724
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: Pay, so he basically was going further and further into debt.

725
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: And they said he was from it like a well,

726
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: relatively well to do family.

727
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: So it could have been that thing where like he's so.

728
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: Spoiled that he's like, like it'll work out.

729
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: He kept get like it'll work out.

730
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: Ing it that's I'm that's based on my own experience,

731
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: or you're just kind of like something will come and

732
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: catch me on the.

733
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 4: Wet uh oh.

734
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: But the other thing was he had he had proposed

735
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: to his girlfriend, so they had a wedding and a

736
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: honeymoon coming up. He had zero dollars and at some

737
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: point he found out from Sam that Sam had sixty

738
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: two grand and then he was like, well, I want

739
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: that money, and so he fucking makes this plan where

740
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: he lures Sam his light fuck. Daniel Watsniak's Light Opera

741
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: company had played at I respect It, I do There's

742
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: opera singers are the most talented people on the planet.

743
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: Light opera not as good.

744
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. They had done a.

745
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: Show in the Los Alamitos Joint Forces Training Base. Right,

746
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: such good light opera there, right, And he asked Sam

747
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: if he would come and help him move some boxes

748
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: that were up in the attic. They go up into

749
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: the attic. That's right, they go up into the attic.

750
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: He leans down and Daniel shoots Sam in the back,

751
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: and then Daniel shot him again and killed him. Hours later,

752
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: at the Hunger Artist's Theater Company, he played the lead.

753
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: In the musical nine.

754
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

755
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, he went from that to a lead just right

756
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 4: on stage.

757
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: He took all that fucking being a sociopath and he

758
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: brought it to the people. Oh my god.

759
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: Hours later and he was in that play.

760
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: With his fiance Wow, oh, Steven, Sorry, we have pictures

761
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: of this?

762
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: Do you have pictures of that?

763
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Yes, that's them in that play.

764
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: What I don't know, I'm not well.

765
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: Is that the one with that song nine?

766
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: You're asking someone who can't sing or sit through a musical.

767
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: But what's the answer?

768
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, what's his Okay? Go on? I'm sorry?

769
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 4: What?

770
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: Nothing? He was?

771
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: His girl was his fiancee on it.

772
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: That's I think That's why I said, nevermind, that's what

773
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: everybody wants to know telling this story.

774
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it's cool.

775
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: Uh, it's fun to jump ahead, But here because this

776
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: is the most horrible part.

777
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: He after he was in that play.

778
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: Then he went back the next day to the attic

779
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: where he had left the body and dismembered it and

780
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 3: then left Sam's body parts in Long Beach Park.

781
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

782
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: So then shortly after midnight the next night, he texts

783
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: Julie Kibuishi with with Sam Harre's phone and says, I'm

784
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: having problems with my family.

785
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 4: I need to see you now, please come over now.

786
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: He lures Julie to Sam's apartment, murders her there, and

787
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: stages it to look like Sam snapped and murdered her

788
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: and then ran and then got this boy to start

789
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: taking money out of the bank account, like eight hundred

790
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: dollars at a time. What the fuck?

791
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: What a fucking.

792
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: Bad plan all around, obviously, but insane. So after his interrogation, uh,

793
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 3: he asked if he can use.

794
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: The phone to call his fiance.

795
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay, And the thing that I learned in this, I

796
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: believe it was. It was an ID channel show. I

797
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: think it was called The Perfect Crime. And they taught

798
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: me that when you make a phone call not to

799
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: your lawyer, but to anybody else in the police station, Uh,

800
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: they can record it.

801
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like, I've never been arrested, and I

802
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: would expect that to be a thing.

803
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: Well, poor poor Daniel didn't know. So he was like,

804
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: you can't tell Tim. You can't that backpack Tim has,

805
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: you can't give it to the police. And she's like,

806
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to the police.

807
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, if you do, I'm doomed.

808
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: And then she did, and inside the backpack was the

809
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: murder weapon and Sam Hare's bloody clothes. Yeah.

810
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: His trial lasted five days.

811
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: He was convicted by a jury in December of first

812
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: degree murder for killing both Sam Hare and Julie Kibishi,

813
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: and he was given the death penalty and he is

814
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: now in sam Quinny.

815
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: Wow, the fucking death penalty.

816
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was rough.

817
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: It's awful.

818
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's think about it for a minute. No, and

819
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: we're back, Karen.

820
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Do you have any updates?

821
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: There are a couple updates. In twenty twenty one, it

822
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: was reported Daniel Wozniak was moved from San Quentin to

823
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: a lower security California prison because he was in a

824
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: pilot program for death row inmates, including rehabilitation and restitution

825
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 3: minded work programs. As you can imagine victims. Sam Harris's father, Steve,

826
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: was furious when he heard this, saying, quote, it was

827
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: a kick in the gut.

828
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 4: It would have been.

829
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: Nice for them to at least notify me. And then

830
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: he said, here's the rest of the quote, but it's

831
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: pretty awful, but it's so real for like a victim's

832
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: family member. He ends that quote by saying, if I could,

833
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: I would kill him myself. But that isn't going to happen,

834
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: So I want the harshest possible penalty.

835
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 4: End quote.

836
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: I can't.

837
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: It's so hard to like that.

838
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: I don't even think about it too much because it'll

839
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: drive me crazy when you.

840
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, because a lot of times it feels like,

841
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: you know, there's the individual cases, right, there's people who

842
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: are like I was in a bank robbery and I

843
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: accidentally killed the security guard and I didn't want to,

844
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: but I shouldn't have been there. Black, there's all these

845
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: different types of murder, but that kind of like a first.

846
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: Degree somewhere pacable.

847
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it really feels like that should be Often

848
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: another area with another kind of like is there rehabilitation possible?

849
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: And sometimes the answer is yes.

850
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: It's just the constant thing I think we talk about

851
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: where it's like the benefit of the doubt is always

852
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: being given to these usually men who have just committed atrocities,

853
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: and meanwhile the victim's family isn't even getting a phone call.

854
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: Fucking insane.

855
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also Rachel Buffett, who was convicted as an accessory

856
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: after the fact to this murder in late twenty eighteen.

857
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: That was six years after she was initially charged. She

858
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: then served a short sentence and was released in twenty nineteen.

859
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: Although she continues to maintain her innocence, she claims that

860
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: she was fooled by Wosniak and that's why she was involved.

861
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, all right, let's get into a topic that's

862
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: been just one of my favorite topics since I was

863
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: a child, and I got to talk about it on

864
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: stage for this podcast. It was I was chomping at

865
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: the bit to tell you about this. I was so

866
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: excited and it really worked out great.

867
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: Here's Georgia's story about Disneyland deaths.

868
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Eyes on me. All right, well I cheated, you know when.

869
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: Just let me get that right off the What if

870
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 4: you just start reading your own poetry, You're.

871
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Like, look, here's the thing that I wanted to get

872
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: to first is that.

873
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there wasn't paper in the printer when

874
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: they printed the space because they're missing a paper, Vince.

875
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 4: Because what you're missing a paper? Okay, okay, Stephen, can

876
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: you get us page number three? Stat In the meantime,

877
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: we just got a very official wave.

878
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: Ooh.

879
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: The backstage is all a buzz right now.

880
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Someone's getting fine.

881
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna have a staff meeting at the end of

882
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: this show. Oh, pacing back and forth. But I can start, Oh, well,

883
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: you know what, really quick? Can I ask you a

884
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: couple questions about Anaheim?

885
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 5: No?

886
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: I mean Irvin?

887
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: No?

888
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 4: Okay?

889
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: Should we just sit in silence?

890
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: No, I can start it. Okay.

891
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 2: So you know, however, we're all in a true crime

892
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: but we all have these weird like sidebar things that

893
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: we're into that have the same thing to do with

894
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: true crime, but like are adjacent, like you and I are.

895
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: First like friend conversation was about a car accident, and

896
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: I was like, tell me everything, because I'm fascinated by

897
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: horrible things happening. In case they happened to me, I'll

898
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: be ready. So one of those things for me is this,

899
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: And so I found out we.

900
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: Were named Anaheim.

901
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: I was like, oh good, I can finally share this

902
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: weird passion okay with everyone, No passion fascination because when

903
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: I worked at it, I just used to read this

904
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: all the time. And when Snopes came along, I was like,

905
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: thank God, because this is the deaths that have happened

906
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 2: at Disneyland.

907
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, really, yes, scared, Yes.

908
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: To fucking tear those walls down.

909
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: Tell us everything those motherfuckers are doing. You want to know.

910
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: I come get pulled.

911
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: Off stage and Minnie a huge mice are coming for

912
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: us under that.

913
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

914
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: I was really as I came out.

915
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait a second, what if they

916
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: all have good childhood memories of Disneyland and they're mad

917
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: at me?

918
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 4: Look who's here, everybody?

919
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Vince.

920
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: Say hid to Vince. That's him.

921
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Do you know what he just said to me?

922
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: What something dirty?

923
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: No?

924
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: He said, you gotta check that shit.

925
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 5: Like backstage, Like.

926
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: Is my fault?

927
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: Sorry, He's keeping you real, He's keeping your feet on

928
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: the ground.

929
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm busy with a podcast.

930
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: Oh oh, ann never mind, I'm just not gonna Let's

931
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: be friends.

932
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Let's all be friends. Let's say first.

933
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: That's just two of the first pages.

934
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: You know what this is honest, we are a class podcasts.

935
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: You know, it's hilarious.

936
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: This is our actual job. Oh my god, it's how

937
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: we're paid for a living.

938
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: Can you deal?

939
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: It's very We appreciate, thank you. This is about as

940
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 4: thorough as we need to be on this your fault.

941
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our job.

942
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: You're enabling us, all right, and thank you for that.

943
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm so excited because this is like, I fucking love

944
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: this shit and I'm a company. I was some vintage

945
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: Disneyland photos, which is my own nice and.

946
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: After that we all get a Bustedney.

947
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: Their corn dogs, you guys.

948
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, uh so nine guests have been

949
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: killed on Disneyland attractions since the park opened and parked

950
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: open in nineteen fifty five.

951
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: All the deaths except.

952
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: For two, were the result of guests who apparently ignored

953
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: safety instructions and.

954
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: Or defeated rides.

955
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: Safety Like it's like they defeated them like they were

956
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: superheroes and they're like, ah, you know, like maybe get

957
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: better fucking safety mech I mean that sounds like.

958
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: Some Disney lawyer bullshat writes hair, and it sounds like apparently.

959
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 4: This child defeated the safety mechanism, very strong upper body

960
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 4: and a will to die. Are you talking about?

961
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. It's called what do they call it?

962
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: Spin? Sure?

963
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: All right, wagging the dog?

964
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 5: You know?

965
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: You know? Okay, So here's the first one. May nineteen

966
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: sixty four, Mark Maples. He's a fifteen year old Long

967
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: Beach resident.

968
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: We wait, he's killed.

969
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: I told you when he tried to stand up on

970
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: the matterhorn, bob safe.

971
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: Don't do that.

972
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: See, this is why fifteen year old shouldn't be allowed

973
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: out of the house. They fucking do shit, and it's

974
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: boys especially, and it's really stupid.

975
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I love him, Mark.

976
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: We's just running for Congress.

977
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't want to Okay, it sucks Maples

978
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: and unbuckle the seatbelt and attempted to stand up as

979
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: the bob sled near the peak of the mountain. You know,

980
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: he was like the joker of the class. Probably what

981
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: year was it, nineteen sixty four?

982
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they just didn't get how bad it was,

983
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: probably and nothing had happened yet, so they're like, I

984
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: can I'm free.

985
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: It is me land.

986
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. He lost his balance because probably because he was

987
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: standing up on the bob.

988
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: Sled on a fucking roller coaster.

989
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: Thrown from the sled to the track below, fractured his

990
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: skull and ribs, caused internal injuries.

991
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: He died three days later. So we're off to the races.

992
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 3: They're all gonna die, you guys, just say no, yeah,

993
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: and none of them are going to be like Night Night.

994
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be nice. Sleeping Beauty has nothing to.

995
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: Do with this story.

996
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: I went like this as if I didn't have the

997
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: rest of the pagetree.

998
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: So we're done with that.

999
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm just thrown by Vince's shaming me.

1000
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: Oh, he'll hear about it later and I will bring

1001
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: off and throw it in the mass.

1002
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: No, well that's a show, okay. Nineteen sixty six, Thomas S.

1003
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: Guy Cleveland, a nineteen year old Northridge resident, is killed

1004
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: when he's attempt He's attempted. Okay, So this dude attempts

1005
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: to sneak into Disneyland along the monorail track.

1006
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it was Grad Night.

1007
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 4: The worst. Yeah.

1008
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: I still think about Grad Night and it hurts my feet.

1009
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: I hated Grad Night so much, and I hated everyone

1010
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: in that part. Yeah, I was so mad that I

1011
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: had to stay there and stay awake.

1012
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: Is it a lockeh In kind of thing.

1013
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: It's a fucking like you just they act like you

1014
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 4: want to stay awake all night? That dumb. Oh god,

1015
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 4: I'm so mad.

1016
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: This is really triggering for Karen and I forgot to

1017
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: be respectful grad night.

1018
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: Damn it.

1019
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: Post traumatic grad night.

1020
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: It's like the thing where it's like anything where like

1021
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: the first three hours you're like, oh my god, this

1022
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: is gonna be inzing, and then the second the fourth.

1023
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: Hour hits, you're like, let's stop this now, it sucks.

1024
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 4: It's not working out like everyone thought they were gonna

1025
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: fall in love. No one's falling in love. We all

1026
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 4: hate each other. Let's go home.

1027
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

1028
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: And then someone climbs over the monorail track. And actually,

1029
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: when I was when I was like in a senior

1030
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: in high school, everyone had the Disneyland pass.

1031
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: You know, it was like twenty dollars back then. It

1032
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: was a long time ago. Really, oh are you eighteen

1033
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: oh seventeen?

1034
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: So people would you do this thing where you'd get

1035
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: a stamp and then when you'd get into the park,

1036
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: you'd come back out and you'd lick the stamp and

1037
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: put it on.

1038
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: Someone else's on the back of someone else's hand. How

1039
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: you're snuck in back then, right?

1040
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: And then some kids would just fucking scale the fence

1041
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: because this is before Disneyland was like no, it was

1042
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 2: still like that. Okay, anyways, all right, grad night sixteen

1043
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: foot high outer fence and climbed onto the monorail track,

1044
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: intending to jump or climb down once inside the park, which.

1045
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: Is like, it's like a monorail. It's like, yeah, it's

1046
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: a monorail.

1047
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: It's up hi.

1048
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's all you need to know about a monail.

1049
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: That's what I met.

1050
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1051
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1052
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: He ignored the security guard's shouting warnings of approaching monorail

1053
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: train failed to leave clear of the track. He finally

1054
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: climbed down onto a fiberglass canopy beneath the track, but

1055
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: the clearance wasn't enough. The oncoming train struck and killed.

1056
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: Oh you guys were excited a minute ago.

1057
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: Let's let them process. They made the process.

1058
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

1059
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: I've been reading this since I was twenty six, so

1060
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: since the Internet started, and I was like, Disney Deaths

1061
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: was the first thing I ever Disney Deaths.

1062
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: Wait, can I can I do an addendum to that

1063
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 4: story always.

1064
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: My favorite story of somebody bumming out of Disneyland is

1065
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: my sister's friend. Christine Tomasini was a Disneyland with her

1066
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: family and they were all standing kind of at something

1067
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: that near a monorail track or no, sorry, those the

1068
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: ones that are the open mos ago other people move

1069
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 3: where you're kind of like looking down. So they were

1070
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: kind of near a people who and she was just

1071
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: kind of looking around at the crowd, and there was

1072
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: a girl that had really big curly hair that she

1073
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: kind of like noticed, like, whoa, that girl's hair is

1074
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: really big. And then all of a sudden, in one second,

1075
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: the girl's hair went flat and she was like what

1076
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: and she couldn't and then she realized someone from the

1077
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: people mover barfed onto that girl's head. Yes, it's it's

1078
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: the idea of a hair like a hair product commercial

1079
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: for her hair hair straight, and they're like, go from

1080
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 3: frezy to flat, but it's like barf. And I think

1081
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: she said, just totally be me lying because it don't

1082
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: be a better for the story. But I feel like

1083
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: she said, then the girl barfed, which would make perfect.

1084
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Sense, right, Let's never happened.

1085
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: No, I would barf if someone barfed on me.

1086
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's your duty. Doesn't make it interesting for everyone

1087
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: around you?

1088
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: Right, it's called embellishment. Try I'll ask Christine, okay, would

1089
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: you yes? Text her now?

1090
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: August nineteen sixty seven.

1091
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: Ricky Lee Yama, he's a seventeen year old Hawthorne resident,

1092
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: was killed when he disregarded safety instructions and exited his

1093
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: people mover car as the ride was passing through a

1094
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: tunnel and like these were oh were we putting foot?

1095
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the people mover. Look up?

1096
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: See the shit?

1097
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, isn't it cute?

1098
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: Look?

1099
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: And I could just step over the thing and get

1100
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: the fuck up of it.

1101
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: So do you think he was he was thinking like

1102
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 4: I'm going to see what's in that cave?

1103
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: No.

1104
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: I think he was just like goofing around with his friends,

1105
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 2: and he was going to go to like his friend's

1106
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: car in the back, you know, kind of you know,

1107
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: goofing around like seventeen and fifteen year olds too.

1108
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he slipped as he was jumping from.

1109
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: Car to car, crushed to death beneath the wheels of

1110
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: the oncoming car.

1111
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: I know, okay. June nineteen seventy three, Bogden Dale, delaureate.

1112
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: Yep.

1113
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, an eighteen year old Brooklyn resident drowned while trying

1114
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: to swim across the rivers of America. You know, the

1115
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: I think it's Tom Sawyer's Island now or yeah, I

1116
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: haven't been there in a while, so it could be

1117
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: like not, it could be like a modern day thing.

1118
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1119
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 4: It's it's just a dull taco now. Oh, we filled

1120
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: up those rivers with ground beef. You're going to love it.

1121
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: Caso is the new things.

1122
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 4: It's an integration.

1123
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, anyways, he drowned. See this show.

1124
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, when you start having fun. We were supposed to

1125
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: warn the newbies. But you've been worn clearly, you know,

1126
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: for the past forty five minutes.

1127
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're feeling it.

1128
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: So he and his ten year old brother managed to

1129
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: stay on Toms Island past its dusk closing time by

1130
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: climbing the fence separating the island from the settler's cabin.

1131
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: They like hid and they're like, we're gonna stay like

1132
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: you know, they were going to spend the nineties.

1133
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, like how you want to do

1134
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: at the zoo all the time. That just me, Oh

1135
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: my God, I want to stay at the zoo house.

1136
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: Closing times so bad because I bet there's so much

1137
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: fun at night.

1138
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, the nocturnal animals would be. But I think everyone

1139
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 3: else is asleep, aren't they. I know it's so cute though, Okay,

1140
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: I would like remember that book where there's like the

1141
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: teens that that they're like homeless teens that hide in

1142
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: the mall and then they come out at night.

1143
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: I think it's the I think that's called what's it called? Well, nope,

1144
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: it was gonna be real funny, it was it. Yeah, wow,

1145
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: like it's the zombie movie.

1146
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: Thank you. It would not have been great if I

1147
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: fucking knew things. Say it more, say more things. By

1148
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 3: the way, I am want to say it more, say

1149
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: more things, say more things out of your mouth.

1150
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: No, I'm not sure. I don't think I was done. Okay, No,

1151
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 4: I mean it's just a child's book. I won't be

1152
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 4: able to remember the name of and who gives a ship?

1153
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: I've already told ninety five stories.

1154
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

1155
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: They decided, Okay, then they were like, let's not do this.

1156
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: It's just a stupid idea. Let's swim back. That's a

1157
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: better idea. So because the younger brother didn't know how

1158
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: to swim. I know, Bogden tried to carry him across

1159
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: as he as he swam, he and Bogmen goes down

1160
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: about halfway across the river, and they his brother remained

1161
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: afloat by dog paddling. Excuse me, Jesus and tell that

1162
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: was a verb, until a ride operator hauled him aboard

1163
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: a boat, but Bogden was nowhere to be found.

1164
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: They found it the next morning, his body. He said,

1165
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: I know there's.

1166
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: Another one's coming. I ended with don't worry. I ended

1167
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: with two kind of funny ones, so it'll be fine.

1168
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Not dead. No, they're not deaths. They're like two funny

1169
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: things that happened.

1170
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: You don't know them anything. Just fucking tell your story,

1171
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: deliver it, okay.

1172
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: The day before I was born, June seventh of nineteen eighty, uh,

1173
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: Gerardo Gonzalez, a recent San Diego High School graduate, was

1174
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: killed on the people mover and an incident just like

1175
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: the one that Ricky Lee Gate had gone through the

1176
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: teen years earlier. Gerardo, in the early morning hours of

1177
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: grad night, cancel grad nights.

1178
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just too dangerous for all of them. Never

1179
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 4: let that baby go.

1180
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: To grad knight.

1181
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: Never so he's again climbing from car to cars.

1182
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: The people mover goes into the super Speed tunnel, which

1183
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: is that sounds like a mistake.

1184
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like, oh, someone died on the people mover.

1185
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 4: I think we need to put super speed in it.

1186
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what.

1187
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 4: Would be better.

1188
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, and adjacent to the Okay, the former America

1189
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: Sings Building.

1190
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's in there.

1191
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: This is why the America's Rivers thing, right.

1192
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. He stumbles and falls into the track. Oncoming train

1193
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: of cars crush him beneath its wheels. June fourth, nineteen

1194
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: eighty three. Phillips Strogham, an eighteen year old Albuquerque, New

1195
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: Mexico resident, also drowned the rivers of America and yet

1196
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: another say it with me Grad Night and third.

1197
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: Grad Night incident.

1198
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm fucking writing to the Oh I am, I

1199
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: almost said President.

1200
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 4: We don't know right now, we're on our own. Oh

1201
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 4: you know what, I'll ride to the rock.

1202
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'll do.

1203
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: That's what I'll do. I'll fucking take care of Grad Night.

1204
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be amazing if the.

1205
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: Next Grad Night the Rock came in and just started

1206
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: fucking beating the shit out of everybody.

1207
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: It's like Sanny went around on like reindows like Santa

1208
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: Claus the grad night and beating people up.

1209
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: It's nothing like that's stuffing my Christmas.

1210
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 4: Never mind, I love it. It's Christmas for me.

1211
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: What if I just love the idea that that's your

1212
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: new cause?

1213
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: Is grad night for everybody?

1214
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: No and any other fun activities for seniors. We're shutting

1215
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: that shit down. They can't handle it. They have to

1216
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 3: keep standing up all the time. Oh, I need to

1217
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: be out here where I'm not supposed to be, says

1218
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: the seventeen year old boy.

1219
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 4: Fucking stop it.

1220
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.

1221
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: So he and a friend and and they've been drinking

1222
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: quite heavily, and they snuck onto cast members only area

1223
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: along the river and cast members killed them.

1224
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, that was highly inappropriate, and I apologize to everybody.

1225
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm really sorry that was wrong. But I just pin

1226
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: your tigger killing them.

1227
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Have they seen the.

1228
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: Video where the like I think it's Pluto, loses his shita.

1229
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: His kid keeps fucking yanking on his tail, and he

1230
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: just turns around and starts chasing the kid. The kids

1231
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: like the kid's like clearly a class bully until Pluto

1232
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: turns around and turns on him.

1233
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: And the kid just loses his shit.

1234
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: It's funny because the kid's clearly a brat before him.

1235
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: I in no way want children to be harmed.

1236
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: Don't be upset Baby'll be upset baby.

1237
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1238
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so they untie inflatable rubber maintenance rode or mope

1239
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: untied up inflatable rubber maintenance motor boat.

1240
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it.

1241
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: Deciding to take a very joy right around the river.

1242
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: They're shockingly not trained in this, and they're unable to

1243
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: adequately control the boat and they struck a rock near

1244
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: tom Sawyer Island. Philip's thrown into the water. His friend

1245
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: goes back to shore to seek help, and Philip drowns

1246
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: long before his body was located an hour later.

1247
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 4: Well that would make sense.

1248
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't really get to locate his body and then

1249
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: they let him drown after that?

1250
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't.

1251
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: This is Snopes, right, and you know together Snopes.

1252
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: Journalists January third, nineteen eighty four.

1253
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: Dolly Ray and young a Foot pardon, yes, sorry, you

1254
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: are loving, but I mean to spotkive here.

1255
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 4: I've gone off the wagon.

1256
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: She's a forty eight year old Fremont resident, California. She's

1257
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: killed on the matterhorn. Stop clapping. I didn't pause for clapping.

1258
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: She's killed on the matter horn again. So here's the thing,

1259
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: similarly similar to the first matter horn.

1260
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 4: What you just said, She's killed on the Manta horn again.

1261
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: I meant, like again like the guy like this guy

1262
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: got yep, we know, but it's still funny.

1263
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh I got it. I don't need to explain it.

1264
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: You can just laugh. Okay, she john snowed that shit

1265
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: came back, and then the matterhorn killed her again.

1266
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: Okay, About two thirds the way down the mountain, Dolly's

1267
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming

1268
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: bob sled. She comes pin beneath its wheels. So they

1269
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: examine her sled because here's the thing. No one was

1270
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: in the seat with her, you know how Usually it's

1271
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: like two people per seat, and so she was alone

1272
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: in the seat. So they were like, well, we don't

1273
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: know if she unfastened the seatbelt or if it malfunctioned,

1274
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: so she probably it probably wasn't. They're here fault is

1275
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: they know what I mean?

1276
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1277
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: Where it's like, but how many forty eight year old women.

1278
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: Do we know that are on a bobs let her

1279
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: like it's a joint?

1280
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: Yes? No, but that's why you don't let seventeen year

1281
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: old boys. I'm not forty eight year old women.

1282
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 4: Forty eight year old when are like, I've finally got

1283
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 4: to be me. Yeah, fucking leave the matter horn halfway through.

1284
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna make my kids laugh.

1285
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: No, bro dude, bro dude.

1286
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah it was funny. Yeah, I'm gonna high five that.

1287
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: What's the monster that's there?

1288
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeady? Thanks guys, all right? December twenty the monster you know,

1289
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: yeady that's in there?

1290
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: Sure? All right?

1291
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: December twenty fourth, nineteen ninety eight. In a tragic Christmas

1292
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: Eve accident, one Disneyland cast member and two guests were injured.

1293
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the one I have nightmares about.

1294
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

1295
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: A rope that's used to secure the sailing ship Columbia

1296
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: as it's at the rivers of America.

1297
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: You know, the one that goes around it.

1298
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 5: Was.

1299
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: It was an inelastic hemp rope designed to break easily.

1300
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: It was improperly replaced for financial reasons by an elastic

1301
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: nylon rope which stretched toward the cleat from the ship's

1302
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: wooden hull.

1303
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: Fuck I hate this.

1304
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,959
Speaker 2: The cleat sails through the air and strikes the heads

1305
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: of two guests who were waiting to board the ship,

1306
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: Luan Fe Dawson, who's thirty three of Duval Washington and

1307
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: his wife, lou Thi Jong forty three and Dawson. Dawson's

1308
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: declared brain dead two days later, and dies when his

1309
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: life support system is disconnected. Can you fucking I have

1310
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 2: nightmares about that? And now you all will too.

1311
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: Well. Also, here's what I have nightmares about. It's nineteen

1312
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 3: ninety eight, you s and Disney is using cheaper rope

1313
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: cause they have to scrimp and say that Disneyland, are

1314
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: you fucking keating me? Yeah?

1315
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at this point, the accident results in the

1316
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: first guest death in Disneyland's history that was not attributed

1317
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: to any negligence on the part of the guest that

1318
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: they're telling us about, and prompted a movement for greater

1319
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: government oversight of theme park operations and safety procedures, because

1320
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: there was like they were just like there you go,

1321
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: and then at one point they were like no, wait,

1322
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: they're like airplanes and all the you know, these things

1323
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: that we need to regulate, like airplanes.

1324
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1325
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: There were other things that I can't remember what the airplanes,

1326
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: like trains, trains, airplanes, there, automobiles.

1327
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: Right, it's the natural progression.

1328
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 5: You know what.

1329
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: Let's not rely on the company that was started by

1330
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: a anti Semitic to release themselves.

1331
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 4: I mean it seems like if he's.

1332
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: Going to buy cheap rope, yeah, he's not going to

1333
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: give that much of a shit about anybody.

1334
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: They got the victims.

1335
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: Survivors brought in a lawsuit and settled for They settled

1336
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: for twenty five million dollars.

1337
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, could have been more. You know, they could have

1338
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 3: spent that money on hemp rope. I mean serious, silan rope.

1339
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 4: You cheap bastards.

1340
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1341
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: On June twenty fifth two, a twenty two year old

1342
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: woman from Spain exited the Indiana Jones Ride.

1343
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm pointing at you.

1344
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 4: Excuse you know? I love that shit. That big boulder

1345
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: comes out here. You're like, what?

1346
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: So she exits the Indiana Jones Ride and I put

1347
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: this in there, even though it's not really listed.

1348
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: She's complaining of a severe headache.

1349
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: She's hospitalized a day later, and later that day, she's

1350
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: hospitalized and later that day it was discovered that she

1351
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: had a brain hemorrhage and and said it was because

1352
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: of the jostling of the ride. She died in September first,

1353
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: two thousand of cerebral aneurysms, and the victims medical costs

1354
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: were estimated on more than one point three million dollars WOW.

1355
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: On September fifth, two thousand and three, a twenty two

1356
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: year old man, Marcello Torres of Guardinia, California, died and

1357
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: several other guests were injured when a locomotive separated from

1358
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: its train along a tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain.

1359
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: No, and here's the Yeah, I got barfed on that ride.

1360
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to tell you guys, why not.

1361
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1362
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 4: It's gross. We love hearing all that shit.

1363
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1364
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: Someone and we're going around.

1365
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: It was my ex and I and I was like

1366
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: a first ride there, and it was so fun, like

1367
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 2: we're going around the corner and someone in the front.

1368
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: Barfed and every all of us.

1369
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then we had to stay on the ride

1370
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: for the rest of the time and everyone on the rest.

1371
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: Is like, my god, yeah, because Disneyland's like it will

1372
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: cost too much money to end the ride. Now, yeah,

1373
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: we hope to for efficiency's sake and financial game.

1374
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I broke up pretty quickly later.

1375
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 4: No relationship. We can with stand being.

1376
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: Barfed out like that. You can't look at each other again.

1377
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 3: And I know there's a comic and I wish I

1378
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 3: could remember her name because she's so funny. She's a

1379
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: New York comic and she tells this fuck an amazing

1380
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: story of being at a New York County fair when

1381
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 3: she was like eight years old, and it was in

1382
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: the late sixties and ju or whenever before Judy Garland died,

1383
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: and Judy Garland was there with e Liza Minelli and

1384
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: her other daughter, sorry me, and and they went on

1385
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 3: too one of those rides that that spinning thing that

1386
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: then turns and starts spinning like that. And so this

1387
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: guy I wish I could remember name, she basically got

1388
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: in line with the Garlands, the Garland Minelli's, just so

1389
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: she could get on the ride faster. Just she looked

1390
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: like she blended in and they got onto the ride,

1391
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: and then as it started, Judy Garland started barfing and

1392
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 3: they all got splashed with Judy Garland's barf on that

1393
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 3: ride a special.

1394
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's collector's item for sure.

1395
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 3: But.

1396
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, anyways, so.

1397
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 4: Loads of was the new podcast Barf Stories.

1398
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 2: Sorry, Local lotis separated from its train along a tunnel

1399
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: tunnel section of Big Higher out in railroad. He bled

1400
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: to death after suffering blunt force trauma, and the cause

1401
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 2: of the accident was determined to be improper maintenance.

1402
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 3: So this is the other not his fault.

1403
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 2: One investigation reports and discovery by the victim's attorney confirmed

1404
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: that the fatal injuries occurred when the first passenger car

1405
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 2: collided with the underside.

1406
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: Of the local motive.

1407
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 4: Local motive, I mean it's.

1408
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: From here, yeah, yeah, all right. So those are the

1409
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 2: ones that have happened so far. Let's hope they're the

1410
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: only ones that ever happen. Don't take your seatbelt off ever,

1411
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: What is happening?

1412
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1413
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: It sounds like there's a giant pounding on the outside

1414
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: of the building.

1415
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: It's so Walt Disney is it him?

1416
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Fuck, we're sorry, we animated, We're sorry, you cheap bastards.

1417
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: All right, So there's the two that aren't murders death,

1418
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: so we all feel better August sixth, nineteen seventy. And

1419
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: my dad told me this when I was a kid,

1420
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 3: and it made me so happy. Seven hundred and fifty

1421
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: quote and this is how it's written. Hippies and quote

1422
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: radical yippies. They used to call them worse than hippies. Yeah.

1423
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: Infiltrated the park and took over the wilderness sport, which

1424
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: I think is which is now the Tom Sawyer situation.

1425
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: They raised the Vietcong flag. Whoa and pass reefers out

1426
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 2: to passerby.

1427
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: Shit girl, they were like, they took it over.

1428
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: What's wrong?

1429
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 4: Nothing?

1430
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: See shaming me still backstage?

1431
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 4: No, you paranoid lunatic. My head turned to the side.

1432
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 4: Scare Listen, that's once.

1433
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: Listen to me.

1434
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: A platoon of Anaheim officers in full right. You're poured

1435
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: into the park from the backstage areas to get them

1436
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: the fuck out of their seven hundred and fifty.

1437
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a shit ton.

1438
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1439
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 4: And then so much pot in Disneyland.

1440
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what is that?

1441
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 4: It smells like a skunk?

1442
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 5: Some money?

1443
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: What's a many? I'm all right?

1444
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: And finally, on New Year's Day of twenty thirteen, a

1445
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:04,520
Speaker 2: writer in the front row of the thing called California, screaming.

1446
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a big roller coaster, front roller roller coaster.

1447
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 3: Here he goes, he's hit in the face by an seagull.

1448
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 3: No injuries were reported.

1449
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 4: We didn't die. Yeah, you're like, that's the saddest one

1450
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,959
Speaker 4: of all to go out by seagull.

1451
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: I know, yes, poor seagulls, Like what the fuck. I'm

1452
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: just trying to go down.

1453
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 4: This roller coaster, trying to fly over this park. Oh

1454
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 4: my god, that's awesome.

1455
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's Disneyland X.

1456
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 4: That is Disneyland X.

1457
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1458
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 4: Okay, we're back. Are there any updates to Disneyland?

1459
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: Actually yes, there are, amazingly, beside all the snacks that

1460
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: they have every season, that aw that I'm obsessed with,

1461
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 2: even though I'm not going to Disneyland.

1462
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way.

1463
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 5: So.

1464
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: There has been at least one additional death linked Disneyland

1465
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 2: since this episode aired. In late twenty twenty five, a

1466
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: woman in her sixties suffered quote an unfortunate medical episode

1467
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: end quote for the Anaheim Police shortly after finishing the

1468
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: Haunted Mansion ride. She was pronounced dead later that evening

1469
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 2: at the hospital.

1470
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: I feel like I remember, but this is that kind

1471
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 3: of thing where it's like that idea that someone like

1472
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 3: their blood pressure would go up or they would suddenly

1473
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, it's surprising it doesn't happen more.

1474
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: I was literally just thinking that it is. And so

1475
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: of course it's going to happen at Disneyland, because it

1476
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: could happen anywhere.

1477
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 3: And you do get you know, it's thousands and thousands

1478
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 3: of people all day long, interacting, like living their life

1479
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: in a concentrated way.

1480
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: It's like, right then, little Karen wanders away in the

1481
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: middle of it.

1482
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 3: And lives on peter Pan Island forever for hours. Yeah, okay,

1483
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: now let's head back into the episode and we'll listen

1484
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 3: to the hometown from Anaheim.

1485
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's a time to do a hometown murder.

1486
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: Time to hometown.

1487
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 4: I think there's an open mic somewhere. Hold on, let's

1488
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 4: be reasonable.

1489
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 3: Let's have somebody didn't stand up with a piece of

1490
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: paper in their hand, point at themselves and then go.

1491
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: To the bathroom when they got picked. That's fucking the iha,

1492
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:31,959
Speaker 4: what was your name, Catherine?

1493
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: Hither have a panic attack right here.

1494
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 3: You can mount a house sides down, sir, Thanks for ma'am,

1495
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 3: but probably not. What was you?

1496
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: Tell me your name again?

1497
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: Catherine? You have one of those Katherine, Catherine, Yes, Katherine,

1498
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 3: are you from?

1499
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 6: Originally from Montana? But I live in Coasta, Mason, El. Yeah,

1500
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 6: I live like a mile from Camden, Martinique. And there's

1501
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 6: several times.

1502
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 4: Is that pretty great?

1503
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 3: No?

1504
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 7: But that story really freaked me out.

1505
01:13:59,760 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1506
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 4: It is crazy, right? Yeah, but you can't read.

1507
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1508
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 6: I didn't know how many drinks I would have before this,

1509
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 6: so I taped it up just in case.

1510
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 4: OK, but can you do it off the top of

1511
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 4: your head? I think so, and then I'll check your work.

1512
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: Can I just say that this is why I stopped

1513
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: drinking for the before the show, so I didn't have to.

1514
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm saying, I get it, so

1515
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: I respect your control.

1516
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 6: I don't have a great hometown murder, but my best

1517
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 6: friends or my cousins, and they have an amazing hometown murder.

1518
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 6: And they told me if I had the opportunity to

1519
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 6: get up on stage, I had to tell their story.

1520
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 6: I had a second hand. I can do it like

1521
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 6: seventh pan.

1522
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit.

1523
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my cousins in nineteen ninety five. My cousins

1524
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 6: were thirteen and ten, and they lived in Awa Tuki, Arizona,

1525
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 6: which was right outside of Phoenix, Shit and their mom

1526
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 6: worked as a maid for a family called the Back Family,

1527
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 6: and they were really wealthy and they had a huge

1528
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 6: house and she just worked there every day as a maid.

1529
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 6: So they became really close to the family and mister Bach,

1530
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 6: the dad, asked them to move into the house and

1531
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 6: be like a full time housekeeper, but the mom had

1532
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 6: some weird feelings about him and about the family, so

1533
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 6: it never happened. But that was kind of always happening.

1534
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 6: They were always asking them to move in. Julia, my cousin,

1535
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 6: who was thirteen, became really good friends with the son Jeremy.

1536
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 7: They went to the middle school together.

1537
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 6: He was a year older than her, and they would

1538
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 6: walk home from school every day to Jeremy's house and

1539
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 6: hang out there while her mom was cleaning, and then

1540
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 6: she would just go home with her mom at the

1541
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 6: end of the day. And she said Jeremy was kind

1542
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 6: of a weird guy. He would always tell like dirty

1543
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 6: jokes around her and just do like weird fourteen year

1544
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 6: old kind of things.

1545
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 7: But she said, she said he was kind of hot.

1546
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 7: He looked like a young Matt Dylan.

1547
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, give Karen a minute.

1548
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 3: Picture.

1549
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 4: Here's do one dumb joke. I'll tell you what I

1550
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 4: would have acted like her.

1551
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: On this person.

1552
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: Okay, just to do a bad joke carrying her hair.

1553
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: My god, sorry.

1554
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so she was willing to overlook some of the

1555
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 6: weird things. Hell yeah, because he was caring. Another weird

1556
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 6: thing about the family is that they had guns stashed

1557
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 6: all over the house that they would find them under

1558
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 6: the couch and in the kitchen cabinets and all over

1559
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 6: the place.

1560
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 4: So it was kind of a red flag.

1561
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 6: And their mom said one day when she was cleaning

1562
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 6: the house, there was red spots on the walls that

1563
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 6: she cleaned off, and she said they were definitely not

1564
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 6: spaghetti stains, so she wasn't sure what they were.

1565
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: Oh well, then complete your right off.

1566
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: Then yeah.

1567
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 6: So lots of red flags, but they were close to

1568
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 6: the family, so they still you know, worked for them

1569
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 6: and hung out the house. Then one day, the fourteen

1570
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 6: year old Jeremy was arrested for the murder of his

1571
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 6: spread a friend, Brad Hanson, and Brad had been missing

1572
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 6: for two months at that point. He Uh, Jeremy was

1573
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 6: originally questioned when Brad went missing, and uh, he had

1574
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 6: told investigators that they had skipped school the day that

1575
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 6: Brad went missing, and they had hung out at their

1576
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 6: house and we're playing with a gun and it went

1577
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 6: off in Brad's hands, and that he panicked and rode

1578
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 6: away on his bicycle. So police for two months were

1579
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 6: investigating as a missing person's case or like a runaway case.

1580
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 6: Didn't think anything weird had happened. But then two months later,

1581
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 6: right before the arrest, happened. Uh, some trash collector, is

1582
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 6: that the right term? Trash collectors, garbage men.

1583
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 3: Garbage men, trash collectors, PC, sanitation workers, that's asociation wage

1584
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 3: person doesn't down Ryan.

1585
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: No sanitation worker. Sanitation worker.

1586
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 6: Sanitation worker came by the back house on their weekly

1587
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 6: pick up, and they noticed that the trash can outside

1588
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 6: the back house was covered in blood, and it raised

1589
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 6: some red blakes for him, I mean one would hope,

1590
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 6: and he called the cops who came and investigated, and

1591
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 6: they determined that blood belonged to Brad Hansen. So they

1592
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 6: interrogated Jeremy a second time to find out what happened,

1593
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 6: and he told them that he had lied the first time,

1594
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 6: and that what actually happened was that they had skipped

1595
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 6: school and were playing with the gun in the house,

1596
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 6: and that it had gone off in his hands and

1597
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 6: he had accidentally shot Brad in the chest and killed him,

1598
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 6: and that Brad had bled out, and then after he

1599
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 6: had died, he'd put Brad's body into a trash bin,

1600
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 6: which he put on the curb, and the trash the

1601
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 6: sanitation workers took away the next day and never to

1602
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 6: be heard from again. But the cops did not believe

1603
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 6: his story because they said that it would have taken

1604
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 6: Brad nearly an hour to die after the shot, and

1605
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 6: so he Jeremy never went for help. So it was

1606
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 6: pretty obvious that it was intentional shooting. So they had

1607
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 6: a few theories. They thought that maybe it was intentional

1608
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 6: and that the boys have been arguing about a girl that.

1609
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 7: They both had dated. That was possible.

1610
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 6: There's also some speculation at the time that Jeremy's father

1611
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 6: had helped him dispose of the body.

1612
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 7: It was kind of an ongoing thing.

1613
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 6: And then my cousin did tell me that there was

1614
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 6: a rumor that went around the Junior High that the

1615
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 6: police dogs had picked up brad scent and followed it

1616
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 6: to the backyard of Jeremy's house, and they believe that

1617
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 6: maybe he was fed to their German shepherds.

1618
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 4: That's that's junior high. Yes, totally, a junior high rim.

1619
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 4: Come on.

1620
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So.

1621
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 7: So that's just all speculation.

1622
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 6: But there Julia and Chrissy's mom did definitely clean up

1623
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 6: the crime scene.

1624
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 7: It did happen in the kitchen unknowingly. Yeah, she had

1625
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 7: no idea.

1626
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 6: So she said she was in there when the cops

1627
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 6: did the luminol test and they had her point where

1628
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 6: all the blood spots were that she had cleaned up,

1629
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 6: and she said when they turned that black light on

1630
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 6: that the whole kitchen let us.

1631
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 3: Oh god.

1632
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 6: So unfortunately, Brad's body was never recovered. They think that

1633
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 6: it was probably taken to the landfill, but by the

1634
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 6: time they had all this information it was two months later,

1635
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 6: so there's no way they could ever have found him.

1636
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 6: So eventually Jeremy is put on trial for second degree murder.

1637
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 6: And some funny things happened to my cousin during this time. Well,

1638
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 6: Jeremy was on trial, his parents were pretty wealthy and

1639
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 6: they got him out on bail and at that time,

1640
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 6: he called my cousin and asked her up for a

1641
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 6: date and her mother allowed her to go and they

1642
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 6: went bowling.

1643
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 4: I love bowling.

1644
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: He had great jokes.

1645
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: And when I asked my.

1646
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 6: Cousin about this this week to make sure I had

1647
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 6: all the facts right just in case I got up here,

1648
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 6: I was like, what the help was your mother thinking,

1649
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 6: like that's insane, and.

1650
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: She's like, what the fuck?

1651
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 6: I know, like, I realize that now. I was totally

1652
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 6: messed up. So he was brought up on trial for

1653
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 6: a second degree murder. He was found guilty and sentenced

1654
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 6: to twenty two years in prison. And at the time

1655
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 6: that he was sentenced, he was only fifteen years old,

1656
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 6: so he was the youngest I don't know if he

1657
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 6: still is, but back then he was definitely the youngest

1658
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 6: person in Arizona history to ever be convicted as an adult.

1659
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: Wow.

1660
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,759
Speaker 6: And so there was a lot of media that happened

1661
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 6: around it, of media frenzy that happened around this trial,

1662
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 6: And one of the things that happened to my cousin

1663
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 6: was that she was driving.

1664
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 4: With her mom.

1665
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's past the courthouse or past

1666
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 6: past the box house, but there's reporters outside, and they

1667
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 6: flagged down the car and knocked on the windows and

1668
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 6: they were yelling inside, like can we ask you some questions?

1669
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 6: And my cousin at the time had a really short

1670
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 6: pixie haircut, so she kind of looked.

1671
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 4: Like a boy.

1672
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 7: And they're like, Jeremy, Jeremy, can we get some information, Matthew.

1673
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: Question and they thought he was she him good high

1674
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: school sacks.

1675
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 6: And her mom got deeply offended by this, and she

1676
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 6: rolled down her windows.

1677
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 7: She's like, that's my daughter, U asshole, fight away.

1678
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's amazing.

1679
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 6: And so he went to prison for twenty two years.

1680
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 6: He was sentenced in I think January of ninety eight.

1681
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 6: And once he got to prison, count check, Yep, you

1682
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 6: did it. Every single word has been perfect so far.

1683
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 6: I'm not very good at winging it, so I think

1684
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 6: you are.

1685
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1686
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 6: Once he got to prison, my cousin thought this was

1687
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 6: all over and she never had to think about it again.

1688
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 7: But then she started receiving love letters from prison.

1689
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 3: This just gets better and better.

1690
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 6: And Jeremy was asking her if she'd marry him, and

1691
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 6: she said it really creeped her out because you would

1692
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 6: always call her my baby, and she said the best

1693
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 6: part about it all was that he said at one

1694
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 6: point he asked her if she had been hassled by

1695
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 6: anybody in school for being his friend, and he said,

1696
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 6: give me their names, because I'll totally kick their asses.

1697
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 6: And she's like, with haig one, Yeah, She's like, I

1698
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 6: don't think the weight of all this trial stuff has

1699
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 6: like really gotten to him yet, because he's not going

1700
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 6: to get out of prison for twenty two years. Yeah,

1701
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 6: middle school will be a distant memory.

1702
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 3: Everyone else will be I'm like, oh, that's crazy.

1703
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 6: So she said it's like a total descent memory, like

1704
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 6: it's not something that she really ever thinks about. But

1705
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 6: I looked it up this week because I was coming

1706
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 6: here to the show, and I realized that twenty two

1707
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 6: years of a sentence means he's going to be out

1708
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 6: in two years. And so I asked Julia if she

1709
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 6: felt worried if he would get out, if he's held

1710
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 6: a candle for her for all these years or what,

1711
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: And she's not worried at all.

1712
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 7: But I'm like, to lock your doors.

1713
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but her mom let her go on a date

1714
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: with a murderers.

1715
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 6: So like it's probably the last day he had before prison, right,

1716
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 6: you know, just gotta follow all the murdering no rules.

1717
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and not get murdered.

1718
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 4: How does he look though?

1719
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: Just get it?

1720
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 5: You did amazing.

1721
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: That was so good.

1722
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Off the paper, great job.

1723
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 4: Oh good, it's so good paper back. Can you give

1724
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 4: it that a scrap book?

1725
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 7: That away?

1726
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. That was so awesome.

1727
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back now, Georgia. Do you know if there's

1728
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 3: any updates on this hometown?

1729
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,799
Speaker 2: I do, actually so. Jeremy Bach was released from prison

1730
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: on October second, twenty eighteen, to a while ago. Now

1731
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 2: after serving approximately twenty years of a twenty two year sentence.

1732
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 3: You had to give that update because it's your hometown,

1733
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 3: so you're responsible for all of civic events and legal

1734
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 3: events that happened there. Sorry. Okay, So this episode was

1735
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 3: originally titled Live at the Grow in Anaheim.

1736
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: But if we were naming it today based on something

1737
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 2: that happened that's fun and funny that happened in the episode,

1738
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 2: maybe we would call it Remember those pants about my

1739
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 2: fucking Vinyl rave pants.

1740
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 3: I will bring up Georgia's Vinyl rave pants any chance

1741
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 3: I get. The more people there to witness it.

1742
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 4: The better, as you should also joking that huge Mice

1743
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 4: are coming for us is a pretty great title for

1744
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: this podcast or a death metal band.

1745
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is a good one.

1746
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 4: It works.

1747
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: Local Girl extraordinaire, that's me.

1748
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the banner I would make for you.

1749
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1750
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 4: And of course post Traumatic Grad Night, which is Georgia

1751
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 4: talking about how much I hated Grad Night. This is

1752
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 4: some really good.

1753
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: Choices PTGN All right, you guys, thanks for listening to rewind.

1754
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Anaheim at the Grove to say goodbye.

1755
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 5: That was great. Oh my god, you guys, guys, thank

1756
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 5: you so much. Annah.

1757
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: I'm thank you for making our first Orange County show

1758
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 2: so great.

1759
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous. I'm not gonna lie.

1760
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: I peeled off all of this nail polish because I

1761
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: was nervous. Not my middle finger. So thank you for

1762
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: making my hometown for a show fucking awesome.

1763
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1764
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 4: That's a good feeling, right, that's a good feeling.

1765
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: That was great.

1766
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1767
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: This I feel like this crowd is kind of one

1768
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 3: of the best we've ever had, just like honestly, so.

1769
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 4: It makes me happy when people like comedy. It's so

1770
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 4: much more fun and they're not Maddie, No, thank you, guys.

1771
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm also just we joke about it, but like you

1772
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 3: because you guys listening, tell your friends to listen and

1773
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: support us so much.

1774
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 4: We get to do this for a.

1775
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Living and it is so fucking fun. Can really really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it so much, so exciting. We love it, love

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Speaker 3: so exciting. Yeah, so stay sexy and jun't