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Speaker 1: George hand the fourth ak a deal a pipe heater

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Speaker 1: of fame. Do you spent over a decade with Delta

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Speaker 1: he uses he spent entertained friends and falls alike. Welcome George,

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Speaker 1: thanks to that introduction. Man, it was really pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect that we have surprised you. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can do that, and I can be brief. I

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Speaker 1: at the time. He had he had the helm and

429
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Speaker 1: my primary ran drive. So I was I fired all

430
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Speaker 1: my basic load of and I was kind of out

431
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: of the shoot there. But then the pilots stuck his

432
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: arm out of of the window or of his cabin

433
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: and he had a mag He had a thirty round magh.

434
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: The pilot's given me his bullets. That's really nice, you know.

435
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: So I slapped and racked and just you know kept firing.

436
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: When I was done with those, you know, I passed

437
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: the empty back and he passed another full. I was like, damn,

438
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: this guy's got two magazines. Let me I'm going to

439
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: give him a golf clap right now. That's pretty cool.

440
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: He did that like eight times. He passed eight magazines

441
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: back to me, and I dumped him all, you know,

442
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: And when we we landed it moved and got out.

443
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: I you know, I got out and went right up

444
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: to him just you know, slapped him on the back

445
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: where the shoulders. As you know, I said, you are

446
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: her proper man, thanks for the thanks for the resupply,

447
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: and as uhm that that was said direct consequence often bottle, yeah,

448
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: because if you read the accounts during the battle and

449
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: ages images, if some immy just sat down on the ground,

450
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: it's really tight alleys. For example, to pick up John

451
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Smith and Daniel Bush. Dan Bush was killed. He got

452
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Speaker 1: hit in the side where there was no plate, no

453
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Speaker 1: armor protection. He got hit inside with a k oh

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Speaker 1: It didn't kill him immediately, but he was you know,

455
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Speaker 1: basically dying. Jim Smith ran out there to pick up

456
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Speaker 1: Dan Bush. Jim actually was dragging or carrying Dan Bush

457
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: and he was accosted by one of the militia up close.

458
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Dan actually drew his secondary, drew his forty five with

459
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Speaker 1: his right arm and killed this guy while he was

460
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: dragging Dan Bush. That's amazing that he and this helo

461
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: landed in an alley really tight, you know, like a

462
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Speaker 1: feat clearance on the sides of the blade. Both the

463
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: pilot and the code were leaning out the doors with

464
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Speaker 1: n P five's just knocking down targets. Again. I mean,

465
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, a nine by nineteen round, that's a pistol round.

466
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: It's not it's not an assault rifle round. And so

467
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: it had effect. It still would kill people, but didn't

468
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Speaker 1: have nearly the effect that like the a K forty

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Speaker 1: seven has, even over the M four carving or the

470
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Speaker 1: CAR fifteen rather that's where we carry in the days,

471
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: the CAR fifteen still the same round. The pilots understood

472
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Speaker 1: little bird for Pete's sake. But when it comes right

476
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Speaker 1: down to it, it's just it's got to be something bigger.

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00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: the Combat Support Troop correct, from Salt Squadro to at

502
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: the advant troop Advance Forced the troop. Yeah, and you're

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Speaker 1: conducting close target Reconnaissance and lo v's operations. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: CRT Close Target Reconnaissance, General and Specific Reconnaissance, battlespace preparation basically,

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, operations in advance of the assault forces. That

506
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: was our charter that wel contained from an assault squadron.

507
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: It was yeah, I mean I wanted it. I definitely

508
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: wanted it. I mean I wanted to because I was

509
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: already had eighteen years in the Army. I wanted to

510
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: do my last couple in like the Advance the Advance

511
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: squadron or the guys that were teaching S and T

512
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Speaker 1: selection and training, you know, go do a teaching job,

513
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: teaching the new guys that are coming in from West Virginia,

514
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I want to do something like that. It was a

515
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: it was a really typical path for persons that were

516
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: working their way out of the unit, you know, because

517
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: the kind of experience they could get in those areas

518
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: were it was a little bit more conducive to something

519
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: that we might be doing on the outside once we're

520
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: separated from the military. So I really wanted to add

521
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: von Advanced Force Operations because like that mission sounded pretty

522
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: cool to me. It was as close to Singleton missions

523
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: as you could as you could get. So I asked

524
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Speaker 1: for and I think all my foreign languages is probably

525
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: what got me there because during their selection, they had

526
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Speaker 1: their own selection that lasted weeks. Not everybody on the

527
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: board thought I did really great, and they had some

528
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: really strange reasons why. But they couldn't dispute that I

529
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: had as unified languages in the areas that they were

530
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: operating in. So I could have I could have like

531
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: thumbed my nose at him, given him a raspberry, and

532
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: they still would have had to take me. So how

533
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: many how many languages do you speak? Seven? I have ratings,

534
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: I have Defense Language Institute qualified ratings in six foreign language,

535
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: and then I gave myself a rating in English on

536
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: my own. I think you deserved it. I mean that

537
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: your side, I give myself a bee. We still got

538
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: to do anything we wanted, just like squadrons. I mean

539
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I could I could go grab some dirt bikes, we

540
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: could go ride, we could climb, do obstacle course, and

541
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: we could do all the p Q we wanted. And

542
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: we could still shoot as much as we had time

543
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: for as much as we wanted, you know. But our

544
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: focus was, you know, getting into these foreign kind trees

545
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: and adapting and blending in and being able to operate

546
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: in four countries without making it blatantly obvious that we

547
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: were you know, ugly Americans, and some of that preparation

548
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and some of the profile we developed went kind of

549
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: deep without saying anything specific. Of course, it was a

550
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: great adventure, honestly, it really was. And most of my

551
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: time was well all of my time was was in Bosnia.

552
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: When I was was was in that that squadron, and

553
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: and that language Bosnian or Server Croatian. That's not one

554
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: that I came into the Advanced Squadron with. I got

555
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: my qualification after having been in Bosnia with the Salt

556
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: squadrons and with the Advance squadron. You know, I just

557
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: finally said, okay, I I think I'm at a certain

558
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: level and I'm gonna go take this deal. I examined,

559
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: see how I did, how I do and I did well.

560
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I qualified for pay in that language, which really pleased

561
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: me because I didn't think that was quite you know,

562
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: that good at it. So you were getting paid for

563
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: each language. Know, the way it works is it was

564
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a month if you qualified in the language,

565
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: and then that was it. A hundred dollars was the max.

566
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: And so I was I had a number of languages

567
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Speaker 1: that I could have tested in, and I did. I

568
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: did test in them just for the hell of it,

569
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: because I mean taking that test was a really great training,

570
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: is what it was. It was a really great exercise

571
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: in the language. So I did it for that value.

572
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: But I think the language that I was getting paid

573
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: for was Cantonese Chinese. You know, since since back when

574
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: I was in the Green Berets, I just took that.

575
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: I took that exam every year. I think I was

576
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Speaker 1: the only person in the army taking that exam and

577
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I kind of hate to say it, but it's a

578
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: matter of fact that taking that language, that test every

579
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: year after year, I was getting pretty damned good and

580
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: taking that exam and it was the same exam, And

581
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: that's that's that's no good. I mean, that's I mean,

582
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Speaker 1: you take the Spanish. When the turnover of of that

583
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: exam is going to be high, you know they're gonna

584
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: change it up. You know, every year you're gonna get

585
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: something different. But Kenny's like, they had no one taking

586
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: it except this one fucker. Only he's taking it every year.

587
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: We're not going to revamp the test for them. So

588
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: every year I took it, man, I was just like

589
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Speaker 1: I was getting a two plus three, which is the

590
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Speaker 1: highest three three is the highest I could ever get

591
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: based on my background. That's just the that's the rule.

592
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: And I was getting a two plus three, and I

593
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: was just it was irritating as hell. I was agonizing over.

594
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: I thought I was getting every single question right, you know,

595
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: but obviously I was missing something. I was only getting

596
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Speaker 1: a two plus in my reading comprehension, and I was

597
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I was like, this, what question am I missing? You know,

598
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: which one am I getting wrong? It boiled down to

599
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: like two, these two that I thought, you know, these

600
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: are the problem Mary's I'm not sure which is the

601
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: right answer. And I used to I used to ask

602
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: Chinese people, you know, real Chinese people. I used to

603
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: ask him the question and give him the four answers,

604
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: like there was it was written a Chinese. It's this expression,

605
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: and there's four answers, and one of them is absence

606
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: makes the heart grow fonder, and the other is a

607
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: miss as good as a mile, and the next one

608
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: is I can't see the trees for the forest, or

609
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: can't see the forest for the trees. And the fourth

610
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: one was like something like I wouldn't know him from Adam.

611
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Those are the four answers. And I would get I

612
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: would get I would get a Chinese dude, hey, you

613
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Speaker 1: are you Chinese? Come here, and I would write out

614
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: the question for him, you know, you know, and I

615
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: haven't read it, and I've given the four answers, and

616
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: they would look at me, Ago, what are you asking me?

617
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know? I said, cool, okay, great,

618
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: native Chinese aren't getting this question right? How am I

619
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: supposed to get it right? So I would just answered

620
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: different every time, every year I would answer it different

621
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: until finally, bam, you know, I got three three and

622
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Speaker 1: I took me four years. M yeah, it took four

623
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Speaker 1: years because well there was four answers, so it took

624
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: four years. And of course the last answer was the

625
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: one they were telling me was right. So but anyway,

626
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: so I got that, and my last year in the service,

627
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: language pay went up to three hundred dollars a month, right,

628
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: and you could take as you could take as many

629
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Speaker 1: languages exams as you wanted to get to three hundred.

630
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: And I just and I knew I was out. I

631
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: knew I was on my way out. I just wanted

632
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: that so bad, you know, like that was the ultimate

633
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: even if I could do it, so I would take.

634
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: I took you know, Cantonese. Bam, there's a hundred dollars

635
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: right there. And then I took took French, German, Spanish

636
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: was another good one. And what I got, what I

637
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: got those, I hit three hundred dollars and I didn't

638
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: have to take the Serbo Croatian, you know, to to

639
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: try to get the three hundred. I was able to

640
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: get the three hundred with those languages. But so ultimately,

641
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, I made it. You know, I made the

642
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks and I got to use that as

643
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: bragging rights. And one of these languages were the standards

644
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: academic or street. So example, for example, studying French or

645
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: taking the French exam, was it something that you could

646
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: actually use on the street or was it something you

647
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: would read on lifting or high end. It was academic

648
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: star wars, I'll tell you that because there were there

649
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: really was like those slang anywhere in any of those.

650
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: It was all proper across the board. You know, the

651
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: subjects were you didn't have to have a background in

652
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: in particular subjects to be able to understand the passage

653
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: that they're speaking, you know, in the foreign languages, some

654
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: pretty general stuff. You know. It would be something like

655
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: Bill's father, you know, he's a big believer in Western medicine.

656
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: He wants his son to be treated by Western doctors,

657
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: you know that school. His mom she's more like she

658
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: tries to get up there to the Eastern kind of

659
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: medicine and treatment where you're taking strange herbs, you know,

660
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: in these potions, etcetera, etcetera. And they're constantly struggling between

661
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: each other, and in the end, the kid he's not

662
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: really getting well. So that's pretty easy to understand if

663
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: you can understand the language. And in the in the

664
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: questions boiled downto something like the right hand there was

665
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: between the kid's mom and his dad. He just wasn't

666
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: getting any better, and that was the right answer. But

667
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: it's not like they bled into some discussion about, uh,

668
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, Renaissance paintings and then it was about what

669
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: was it flawed money or was it you know, Carvaggio

670
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: or Rathlael. I don't know, I understood. I just don't

671
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: know the freaking answer. So you're getting out that was

672
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: a thousand or early two thousand one. It was literally

673
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: was January, the first of two thousand one. Yeah, a

674
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: few nine months later the towers got down. We're at

675
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: four and if I'm not mistaken, the unit reached out

676
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: to former operators to come back with a blank tick. Correct,

677
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, boss. And uh, I don't mind

678
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: telling you that when when the actual towers did come down,

679
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: I was I was in an aircraft. I was flying

680
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: from the East coast back you know, to Nevada, so

681
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: I was there born in a Southwest airliner when the

682
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: towers got hit. We actually when we landed, I was

683
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: looking out the window and I was saying to myself, nothing,

684
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: nothing's right here. This is all wrong, this is not,

685
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: this is not you know the airport at uh in

686
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada. I don't know what airport this is.

687
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: And then they came over the intercom and said, yeah,

688
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: we just landed in Dallas Fort Worth Airport for emergency landing.

689
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: And I was wondering, what the hell is going on?

690
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: And so it was we deplaned and we're in that

691
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: holding area. I could see the TV. As I was

692
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: standing there in the in the crowd of people, I

693
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: could see the World Trade Center's burning on the TV screen,

694
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and I was part of my my French. I was

695
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up because I had taken a sleep

696
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: med the whole way, and I would have except we

697
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: landed at Dallas, and so I was prematurely awakened from

698
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: this med and was still under the influence it. But

699
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: I was understanding what I was seeing. I was understanding

700
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: that the towers were burning, then that a tower collapsed Bam,

701
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: which is rouge. It went down, and I said, wow,

702
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: this is as serious as it gets, and that other

703
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: tower there, it's going to collapse so here in a

704
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, and of course it did. And yeah,

705
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: so back at my job working contract with the with

706
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: the Department of Energy to dally, there were as something

707
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: like as many as thirteen former Delta Force guys working

708
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: there that James Sutter had recruited and you know, working

709
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: in different areas. And it was we wondered that with

710
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: such a number of us that had gotten out so

711
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: quick and had pulled ourselves here in Las Vegas working

712
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: on this contract, we wondered what the the unit would

713
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: think of that, you know. And the speculation went from

714
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna order us back, you know, to they're gonna

715
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: request us to come back, you know, or they're gonna

716
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: guilt us into coming back. But from my point of view,

717
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: so I'm like, guys, get over yourselves, man. You know,

718
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: you're not that, You're not all that. You know, they

719
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: don't even know you guys are alive anymore us. They

720
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: don't know we're even alive. They don't care there, but

721
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: lo and behold. Yeah, you know, right after night eleven,

722
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: James the boss, he said, hey, the units sending down

723
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: started Major Rick Hall, who is the guy, the last

724
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: guy I worked for in the Advanced Force Operations squad

725
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: with a started Major Rick Hall, and they're sending Rick

726
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: to come down and he wants to talk to us.

727
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: We said, okay, we know what that's about. And he

728
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: came and it was great. We all piled at a

729
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: conference room and other people tried to come in. We

730
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: told him to get the hell out, and you know,

731
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: we did this the five minutes of dude, dude, hatch up,

732
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: you know this and that, and then then Rick he

733
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: finally just said, okay, so let's leus get let's get

734
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: on with this. Uh So, basically the unit would like

735
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: to have each of you guys come back immediately. And

736
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: the offer is that you guys write your ticket. You know,

737
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: you tell us what it is you want to do.

738
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean you can be you know, running as fast

739
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: as you can with a rifle, shooting it, throwing grenades,

740
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: or you can sit back in an office, you know,

741
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: helling out reports. The point is, you were you tell

742
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: us what you want to do, and you know, will

743
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: give you that position if you'll come back. And so

744
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: he finished up his spiel and then you know, he

745
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: was gone. And then James before he left, he said, hey,

746
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to I can't tell you guys what to do,

747
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: but I just encourage you to make your own decision,

748
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, go off by yourself and think about it

749
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: and make your own decision. Don't get in groups and

750
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: say what are you guys gonna do? What are you

751
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: guys gonna do? And then come up with a group

752
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: decision and race back or not race back. Just only

753
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that was really cool of him to say that, And

754
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: I thought that was really important too. And I made

755
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: my decision, which was to not go back. I don't

756
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: know who in the group it was also going to

757
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: decide that way. But in the end, nobody went back.

758
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: Not one person went back. But ironically, and I say that,

759
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: I say it is ironically, not coincidentally, but ironically, almost

760
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: every one of those guys, well every one of the

761
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: guys besides me, went off to a contract with with

762
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: Triple Canopy. If you remember Triple Canopy, I mean in

763
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: the day you had black Water, that was seals. He

764
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: had Triple Canopy, which is more delta and green berets,

765
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know Star Wars. If you

766
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: look back then and comparing those two groups to which

767
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: one had which one had the problems? You know, which

768
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: one was in the media with the fucking problems? Yeah,

769
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean who was shooting civilians and unfore actually who

770
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: was getting captured and hung from a bridge? However that

771
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: ended up happening. But who was having the problems and

772
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: getting the bad press. Well it wasn't Triple Canopy. But

773
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: all of the guys that didn't, they didn't go to

774
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: the unit back to unit. They went to Triple Canopy.

775
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: And all I could think of is, what in the

776
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: hell for? I don't understand. You know, you you get

777
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: out of the unit and you go to to another

778
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: contract and you're doing the same thing. You know, you're well, okay,

779
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: you're making big money really fast, but you're at the

780
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: same risk, you know, fighting for your life with a

781
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: rifle that you were doing when you were in unit. Um.

782
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: So those guys chose big money fast, and I chose it,

783
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: chose big money acute, and I chose little money chronically.

784
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: And I just you know, kept a peaceful job, a

785
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: lot of peaceful job at all, but a job back

786
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: in the States, you know, relatively safe, not toting around

787
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: at gat and gun. Yeah, and taking care of my

788
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: family you know, getting out of Delta, being away from

789
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: your family most of the year carrying a rifle, I thank,

790
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: what the hell is the difference? And so that's mouth.

791
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I'p taking it total to your family life and every once, yes, yes,

792
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: So I'm happy that I made the decision on my own.

793
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: I can add this to the to the mix starb

794
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: ROAs is that you know, getting out of the unit.

795
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Getting out of Delta was really tough. It was real tough,

796
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: you know. Once I was out, I mean I never

797
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: even went back to any of the functions, never went

798
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: back to a informal or a formal or you kind

799
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: of get together. To me, it was like the last

800
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: view I had of the compound was in my rear

801
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: view mirror as I drove away, and that absolutely was

802
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: the last view of the compound. And I'm never going

803
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to go back there. Getting out was really tough, So

804
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: I would never go back. That's deep. But now you're

805
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: writing about Delta and you are drawing. Most importantly, tell

806
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: us about your your cartoon. What makes you begin drawing

807
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: the cartoon stuff? I mean I started drawing, you know,

808
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: of course when I was when I was a kid.

809
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I just really enjoyed it, and it was all for

810
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: just fun and pleasure. It was just entertainment and it

811
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. And then, for some reason, I remember

812
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: I was about thirteen years old, you know, some something

813
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: was driving to me that day. You know, I wasn't

814
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: really sure what, but it was real specific. I was

815
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: doing some really intentional specific things, you know. Found paper,

816
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: went through the house, found a pencil. Then I went

817
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: to uh, my mother's record collection, and she was a

818
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: huge fan of folksinger countries. John Denver is who he was,

819
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: and I was flipping through her final LP albums from

820
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: record players back in the day, and I had one

821
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: of his albums. I knew it was one of her

822
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Head is his record there's one of her favorite and

823
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: there's a picture of his face on there. You know, Hi,

824
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm John Denver. And I sat down with my paper

825
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: and that album next to it, and I said, that

826
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: face on the album looks like this, And I started

827
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: drawing with the pencil and I was shading and I

828
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: was doing all this crap that I've never done before.

829
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: When I was done, I said, my picture on my

830
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: paper to me, looks just like the picture on the album.

831
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: And I was satisfied. Right that. I took the picture

832
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: to my mother, you know, her favorite thing. I wanted

833
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: surprise her. I says, hey, Mom, and you a picture.

834
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: You know. She's like, oh, that's nice. I go, well,

835
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: you want to see it? She goes, oh, well here, yeah, okay,

836
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: let me let me see it. And she picked it up,

837
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: and the look on her face was untreaking believable. Man.

838
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: She looked like she just saw a ghost man. She

839
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: excelled all of her all the air out of her

840
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: long and gasped, you know. And I woke up in

841
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: the hospital fourteen days later after a car but it

842
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: was it was really clear to me, as like I said,

843
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: that proves to me that what I drew does look

844
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: like what's on that album, you know, which is a

845
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: photograph of a real person in real life. And yeah,

846
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: she just she just couldn't get over it. Man, she

847
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: had to sit out. So from there I just started drawing,

848
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, everything, all these different faces and people were amazed.

849
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: And then I got into I started drawing cartoons on

850
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: my own, just for myself, for things that I thought

851
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: were funny. I got that's really funny. I made it.

852
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's my humor. I thought of it, and

853
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: I put it down in a cartoon, and I said,

854
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: I think that's funny. And I'd show them to people

855
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: and most people would go, h, this is this is

856
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: freaking funny, man. You should do more of these. But

857
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: but a whole lot of people would look at it

858
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: go I don't get it. I don't even get it.

859
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: And even if I explained it to them, they've got

860
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: I still don't get it. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I understand.

861
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: It's just just a it's a thing that you get

862
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: it or you don't. But I found it. You know,

863
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: people really really enjoy the cartoons, man, and they do

864
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: some more, do some more. And it's kind of like

865
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: the photography I ended up doing, is that people really

866
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: enjoy your photography, especially if it's done well of them,

867
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: or especially mainly if it's done of their children. They

868
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: go absolute bonkers and nuts over good photos of their kids.

869
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: And and I just pleased me to know and to

870
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: be able to like produce these and give these to

871
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: these people and make them happy, you know. And I

872
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: was never able to charge anybody of anything for my photography.

873
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: It's just the way he was. But the cartoons and

874
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: the drawings. It was the same thing. People have got

875
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: so much enjoyment out of it. That's it became a

876
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: thing that I could always do in a certain settings,

877
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: in certain surroundings. Great Icebreaker. I did a few obscure

878
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: ones when I was on my My My Green Beret teams.

879
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really start getting heavy into it until I

880
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: was at Key West working with the Dive Academy. I've

881
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: really started getting into it there. So many situations were happening,

882
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's just so much going on, and I

883
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: found humor in just the majority of it. And you know,

884
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: we had we had a mix there. We had some seals,

885
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: a couple of seals. They're builded from the teams, so

886
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: there was always that petty and yet harmless rivalry, you know,

887
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: joking between the two. So I started doing the cartoons.

888
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: Guys were going nuts. They loved it, and I just

889
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: started putting in a binder, a black binder on the bar.

890
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: I would get requests every day, you know, from people George,

891
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: you got to do a cartoon, you know, like okay,

892
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: what happened, tell me what happened, and to tell me

893
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: this situation. And I would think about it and I'd

894
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: put something down on paper that I thought was humorous

895
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: and people were donuts over it. But one of the

896
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: harder parts about it is that guys would come up

897
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: and they would they would explain how the cartoons should look,

898
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, and that would never go over well with me,

899
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: just it didn't sound funny the way explained it. Just

900
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: just tell me the story and I'll put it together.

901
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: So you have to yeah, yeah, like, hey, draw a

902
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: picture of Bill walking on the beach, and who's he's saying? Here?

903
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: I am walking on the beach. And it needs more.

904
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: It needs a little more. Man have the have to

905
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: have the flood tide, like going in the opposite direction,

906
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: saying we're not going there. That guy, I don't know something.

907
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: It has to have something that's funny. People were almost

908
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: demanding him in Key West, they just like, hey, where's

909
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: the cartoon on on yesterday's incident? Like working on it?

910
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: Give me a break. And that carried over really well

911
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: to Delta, you know, since I was a nobody again,

912
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, a new guy and nobody, and they had

913
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: a bar. Just like in Key West. The first opportunity

914
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: I had to do one, I would do the cartoons

915
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: and I would hang them on the bulletin board, and

916
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: the guys would walk by, and I think I had

917
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: a big kick out of it. So I started saving

918
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: him once again at a Black Binder, and the popularity

919
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: was just as as good as great, if not better

920
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: than it was at Key West. You know again, guys

921
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: would they would be standing by the empty bulletin board,

922
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, just hanging out by the empty bulletboard. He's

923
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: got to stick it up here somewhere. We want to

924
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: be the first ones to see it, the mass sort

925
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: of thing. And U, yeah, I didn't be on bullet

926
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: board for an amount of time, say a couple of days,

927
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: that I would put it in the book, and I

928
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: could never walk through the crisis lounge and not see

929
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: somebody thumbing through the book. And guys from other squadrons

930
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: would actually come in, Hey, where's the book. Oh, it's

931
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: right here, to help yourself, and they would flipped through it,

932
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: ha ha and have a great time. And Pat McNamara, simultaneously,

933
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: right across the spine the squad was doing the very

934
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: same thing. He's an amazing cartoonist, that guy, and he

935
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: put together a book for b Squad and it's badass

936
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: and There was actually a third guy over in C

937
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Squad that made himself the C Squad representative, and he

938
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: tried to keep keep up, carry on the tradition, keep

939
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: up the tradition, tradition of developing a cartoon book. And

940
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: we came together and presented to the command that we

941
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: would like to combine all three squadrons cartoons into one

942
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: publication and put it in print, and we would keep

943
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: it in house and you know, give it, give it

944
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: out as uh, you know, gifts to visitors, to the

945
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: I p s, to that sort of make it available,

946
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: talk to the unit members that they could get themselves

947
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: a copy. And the command flat turned us down, just

948
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: like that, just saiting now. And I thought, fucking you,

949
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: that really loved me the wrong way. Man, Oh my god,

950
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I just I forget who was in charge at the time.

951
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't Barge Well, it was not Eldon barge Well,

952
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: but oh I was. I thought that this is like

953
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: the greatest thing, and they just piste it away for

954
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: some bullshit officer reason. You know, it won't even make

955
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: sense if we asked them to explain it to us.

956
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: I was bitter about that. It wasn't even so much

957
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: as my stuff. But it's like, you know, these other

958
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: two guys, that's it's really good stuff. And to not

959
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: preserve that in some organized fashion it's a big it's

960
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: a great, big screw you, and it's a mistake. And

961
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: in the end given them to software. And I'm really

962
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm really here, you are. People have been enjoying them immensely.

963
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm just really happy that I'm just not the only

964
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: one sitting in my room sucking my thumb and flipping

965
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: through my old cartoons and I get to push them

966
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: out to people and I got I get some really

967
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: great feedback from the folks. You know, if you know,

968
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: the command back at Brag is upset. I'm like, I

969
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, man, I gotta tell him, fuck you,

970
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: you had your chance, you insulted me, and that this

971
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: is what happens now with cartoons. You know, it's not

972
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: in house, it's out of house. Some hard truth right there. Well, George,

973
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us on the podcasts. Absolutely,

974
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: my man, I'm telling you, it's great to be able

975
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: to kick back, you push, sit down the pencil, you know,

976
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: and not not just be smoking through writing all the time.

977
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: And because as you know, our boss is a real

978
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: slave driver. Yeah. If I find like you you ought

979
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: to be hung, I can tell you that you ought

980
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: to be hung. Yeah I was. I wish it's set

981
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: up a lynch party, a lynching party, pitchforks and torches

982
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: right off there. It's a real privilege for me to

983
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: be asked to be on a podcast, man, So thank

984
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: you very much. I'm indetit to you, sir. Thank you man.

985
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Have a great day and talk to you soon.

986
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,320
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