WEBVTT - Pro Golf talk with Max Homa 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.559 From the King of sports Books comes the key sports 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:19.360 podcast Unleashed, presented by the MGM. Here's your host, Olivia 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:30.600 Harland Decker. Hello and welcome back to Unleashed by bet MGM, 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.519 the King of Sports Books. I'm Olivia Harland Decker and 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.960 I'm glad to have you with us. Another week and 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.960 it's a big week in sports. The tennis French Open 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.320 just wrapped up, the golf US Open starts this weekend 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.920 from the South course of Tory Pines, and of course 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.800 NBA Playoffs, which we always give you a little juice on. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.600 The conference semifinals wrapping up this weekend in the NHL, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.280 the Stanley Cup Semifinals, College World Series, European Championship in soccer. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.280 Oh my gosh, it's a lot, and I'm excited to 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.480 bring on bet MGMs expert Peter Andrew. He'll be on 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.760 later in the show to break down Betty nods and 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.319 tell you how to navigate everything in the world of 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.320 sports gambling this week. But first it is Golf's US 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.080 Open week, so let's turn our focus there. It's the 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.399 third major of the year, of course there are four, 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.720 and most recently we saw Phil Mickelson win the PGA 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:24.800 Championship at Kiowa Island, making history at age fifty. Well, 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.959 guess what, he turns fifty one on Wednesday, and there's 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.399 some hope and buzz around him. Should he win two 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.440 in a row in his fifties, the second one giving 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.560 him his career Grand Slam. Oh my gosh, start writing 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:38.959 the book now. It's going to be one of the 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.720 best stories in sports. Also, brooks Kepka is coming off 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.479 a missed cut. He's looking to win his third US 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.520 Open in five years. He's just thirty one years old. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.040 That would be monumental and the heavy favorite John Ram 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.880 he came down with COVID earlier this month and had 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.640 to withdraw from the Memorial Tournament, which he was leading 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.920 by six strokes. He passed COVID product call. He's at 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.480 Tory Pines on time, practicing. He's ready to go. He's 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.560 one here in his plus one thousand to win the tournament. Well, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.639 that's enough for me. Let's hear from someone who was 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.280 actually playing in the tournament. It's Maxhoma. He's a national 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.600 champion from cal He got his first PGA Tour victory 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.800 at the Wells Fargo Championship two years ago and most 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.240 recently he won at the beginning of the year at 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.600 the Genesis Invitational. We caught up with him right before 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.320 he left for San Diego. He's super interesting. Our conversation 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.920 kind of went everywhere you are going to want to 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.399 listen start to finish. So without further ado, let's bring 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:46.640 in Maxima. Maxima is a pro on the PGA Tour. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.720 He's a two time tour winner, podcast host, hilarious social 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.880 media personality, some say Golf's Twitter king, which what a title. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.160 And our guest this week on Unleashed max Welcome to 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.680 the show. Yeah, thank you for me. We're so excited 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.760 you're on. You are so busy. But I've got to 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.600 ask of one thing that recently came up on Twitter. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.120 A fan tweeting you for twenty five straight days to 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.160 play golf with him. You finally cracked. I'm curious, have 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.359 you played yet? Are you gonna wait till the season 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.480 is done? And why did you crack? Yeah? I think 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.080 I cracked because I'm a bit of a pushover and 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.959 you have a bit more of a backbone. Um, But yeah, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.760 we talked about playing. I told him might need to 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.760 wait till the season kind of dies down. We're in 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.200 the thick of it at the moment, but I just think, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.960 you know, it's harmless, it's fun. You know, what could 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.040 go wrong and I might need to show up with 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.000 some kind of security or at least you know, right 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.960 my last will and testament before Ley. Now, I'm just kidding. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.640 He seems like a really nice kid. It'll be fun. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.440 I'm hoping to figure out a way to raise money 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.080 for charity somehow along the way, so I'm looking forward 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.680 to it. But we're gonna wait a little bit, so 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.080 we we both have a little bit of time off. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.640 That's pretty cool. It's very allah Kylie Jenner, who I 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.160 think what to prom with Someone on Twitter who asked, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.440 so you and Kylie Gender have a lot in common? Yeah, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.400 that might be the only thing we have in common. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.680 I know you are though. You're very funny on Twitter, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.520 very self deprecating, which I think people find so endearing. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.920 One of my favorite tweets I'm gonna quote this one 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.560 is you tweeted I had a few caddies hit me 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.520 up recently hoping to team up. They heard they usually 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.400 get weekends off, which is apparently a great selling point. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.920 Why do you think You're humor resonates so well with people. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.599 I don't know. I think everybody likes to laugh. I 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.560 like to laugh. I don't take myself super seriously. I 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.440 take what I do seriously, but outside of that, it's 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.400 I know, everybody's living their own life, everybody's going through 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.919 their own stuff. So it's like, you know, if I 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.240 take myself too seriously to the to the public, you 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.520 know what, what, what do they really care? And I 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.520 wouldn't either if I was them. So I just try 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.400 and I don't know, I just I just try and 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.760 understand that, you know, a smile here and there, if 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.479 you could make that happen is really cool. And yeah, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.120 I don't mind being self def getting at times. Sometimes 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.680 I went back and read through some of those and 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.480 realized I was overdoing it to the dutchriment of my 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.640 own psyche. You probably, but it's worked out now. Trying 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.640 to find a little balance between self deprecating and some 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.400 form of confidence. Well, I assume you're feeling pretty confident 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.599 right now. You're fresh off a top ten finish at 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.920 the Memorial Tournament. What's feeling strongest in your game right 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.880 now or when you're at your level? Can Uven pinpoint 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.080 something that was a great segue. By the way, I 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.880 would like to get better though I'm a professional, Max, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.720 it shows, it shows right now, right now. Yeah, I 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.240 guess I'll say something. I'm just a professional. At the moment. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.880 I feel like I'm going through a routine that I've 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.320 kind of built and come up with for myself, and 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.640 I'm sticking to it, trusting, Like in the process of that, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.320 when I'm playing well, it does seem like my mind 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.599 is quite calm and I'm very accepting, so like, you know, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.240 I know at all times, and if I hit a 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.240 bad shot here, I'll be okay, and I'll hit a 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.480 good one after that to kind of bounce back and 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.800 understand that there's a bigger like there's a grand scheme 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.760 to the game of golf, especially a tournament that one 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.360 shot can't ruin. So that that's been going really well. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.960 And then obviously the physical parts of my game this 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.440 year have been all pretty darn good. There haven't been 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.480 too many big holes, so even if something is a 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.560 little bit down, something else is carrying it. So it's 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.000 just been that part of the season has been fun. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.240 And then yeah, just adding a bit of that mental 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.440 fortitude and understanding a bit more has helped me play 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.560 a lot more consistently. And yeah, I had a good 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.120 week last week, and that's kind of what it felt 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.560 like a little more slow motion a little bit. I 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.880 just felt like, again I was just accepting of what 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.360 was going to happen, and that seems to always help 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.040 me play place of my best golf. Kind of in 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.039 that vein, there's a phrase, good golf travels. I'm sure 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.360 tennis players feel the same. You know, whatever it is, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.200 because it's so individual, what do you rely on in 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.280 pressure situations? Like do you believe that good golf travels? Yeah? 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.880 For sure. Now you notice it more as you start 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.040 to play professional golf. You have a I've got a 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.000 lot of friends that I think are tremendous golfers, and 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.200 you know, it just seems like they can't pinpoint either. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.600 When we get on the road, sometimes it just doesn't 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.880 seem to travel, and it's odd. I don't know how 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.200 to quantify it, but I would say that, you know, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.840 for the guys on the PGA Tour, it obviously, you know, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.400 kind of translate to any city golf course wherever that 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.560 you go. So yeah, when I'm in the heat of 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.520 the moment. I definitely try to lean on past memories 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.120 of having success, and especially on courses that I I've 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.760 played a lot, so I can kind of try to 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.320 almost visualize the shot I've hit on my home course, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.040 and you kind of transplant that into the course I'm 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.560 on at that moment and just make it feel a 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.040 little bit more like I'm just going, you know, going 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.480 through the motions at home. But I guess you know, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.960 we've been or I've been doing this so long, a 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.040 lot of it becomes second nature, so it's almost hard 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.920 to pinpoint exactly how it works and how it comes about. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.720 But here and there, I'll definitely try, especially because my 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.000 caddies from my hometown and we'll be like, hey, you 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.320 know that shot we would hit on whole in Valencia. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:02.920 He'd like yeah, I was like, I kind of like 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.320 that type think. So that helps when you're nervous, just 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.640 because you're trying to make it as as simple as possible, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.000 that visualization. We've had so many impressive people in different 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.480 fields on this podcast, and I feel like that's just 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.320 a common thread. I don't know, if you listen to 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.000 any of Tony Gonzalez's podcast or read any of his books. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.680 I should he went to cal so I shouldn't. Maybe 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.040 I'll get on. Well, no, he his podcast is really good, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.600 but he always is talking about flow state and visualization. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.800 And he says, on the morning of a game, yeah 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.680 I got into that. Yeah, Yeah, it's fascinating. He says, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.360 morning of a game, he'd wake up and truly in bed, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.320 like look at his hands and picture catching a football. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.720 And I always think that that would apply even to 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.679 like someone in business before they give a presentation, like 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.640 imagining walking out of that conference room having just killed it, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.520 Like is that do you think something that you really 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.800 take advantage of? That whole flow state and visualization. Yeah. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.480 My buddy and I started talking about this like a 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.360 few months ago, and we talked, you know, we just 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.480 he always writes hashtag flow when he texts me, because 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.120 that's what we'd like to strive for, is just to 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.800 be able to go. I think it carries two things. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.520 One that you you kind of like you said, you 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.679 you visualized it, you kind of already saw it and 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.280 you feel it. But also the accepting part of after 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.640 is that whatever comes in, nothing's gonna come into that world. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.840 So you know, if something bad happens, You're gonna keep 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.960 flowing like nothing has changed and approach the next situation 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.120 with the same amount of focus that you would have 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.600 had the bad thing not happened. But yeah, I think 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.720 visualization in golf is really important when you're nervous or 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 when you're seeing bad stuff kind of or feeling bad 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.199 stuff happen. So sometimes if I'm really really nervous over 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.079 a shot and I feel like I'm seeing the ball, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.520 you know, I'm nervous about going in the water, I'm 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.800 nervous about going in the in the sand or something, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.760 I like over visualize my golf ball flying in the 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.320 air and I almost picture like a trail of it 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.960 and like with a bright color, and it's just like, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.280 it's weird. How you if you see something happen over 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.600 and over and over end when you're about to do it, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.200 it's just like you're reacting. So to your point about business, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.520 it's like you have to you don't have to do do 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.720 what I guess it helps to see it happen first, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.000 so then so then you know you can do it. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.080 This is gonna be super nerdy, But I'm not sure 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.120 if you've ever seen Harry Potter. But Harry Potter, there's 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.000 this scene where it's like some time travel bs and 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.240 you know, he didn't know he could do something, but 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.000 he realized at one point that it was him in 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.600 the future, so we already knew we could do it, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.560 so he just went and did it. And it's like, man, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.760 you have that in you all along. You could just 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.719 have let it happen, but it's almost like we need 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.920 to see ourselves be successful before we become successful. So 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.800 that that's definitely a key that I think, at least 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.080 it might were a lot of golfers use. So you're 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.800 a Harry Potter and that analogy. I wish I was 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.280 that cool, but yeah, maybe maybe sometimes here now I'm 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.480 more I'm more wrong than Harry, but I'll take it 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.680 here and there. Okay, I love that. I kind of 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.360 brought up tennis earlier, just that that always seems to 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.079 be the most equivalent to golf from from my standpoint 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.200 of where the type of people you're around where you're playing. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.160 Individual sport a lot of attention at a young age, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.240 I think is another equivalent of the two. How do 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.520 you describe what that's like from a kid having success 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.720 individually as the stage continues to grow. Yeah, and again 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.560 you're you're not on a team, you're not competing for 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.520 a championship in that way, you know it's and then 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.079 you want it all of course at cal Yeah, that 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.800 it's really difficult. Getting to play high school golf and 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.760 college golf with the team does help. When you get 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.400 out on your own, it's difficult because I feel like 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.839 I've always been in a in a in a weird 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.160 way like envous at times of other sports and other 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.320 athletes because you know, let's just say, Mookie Bets for 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.640 the Dodgers could go over four, have a bad game, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.840 but you know they could win, and you're you know, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.960 the day isn't ruined where if I play bad, it's 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.800 bad that there's nothing that can help, that I can't 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.080 save myself with a partner. But at the same time, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.480 that means that, you know, I don't actually have to 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.400 rely on anybody else to help me get to where 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.000 I'm going. It's all on me and that manner two 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.000 And I like that part, but it's a lot of pressure. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.599 But like you said, I think for tennis or for golf, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.480 you know we've been doing it so long you get 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.840 so used to it. And I think the maturing process 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.160 is understanding that you're going to have some bad days 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.120 and it's going to feel like the world's coming down, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.920 But it's not. Because everyone has a bad day here 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.240 and there. It's just a little bit more under the 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.600 microscope when it's just an individual sport. So it's tough. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.559 But I'll tell you, when you win or when you 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.160 do something great, you know, it all falls back on you. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.679 That's when you realize that all the struggle parts are 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.079 worth it. Absolutely. And probably it's annoying as a pro 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.280 golfer because a lot of people do it amaturely. They 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.280 do it with their friends on weekends. It's like a 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.480 treat to be able to go out in golf. I know, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.240 my husband and I that's like our favorite date. But 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.320 the problem is is anyone who has a good round 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.880 thinks that they're amazing and and can do it. And 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.200 you watch on TV and you're probably like critiquing you 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.800 know what clubs you're using even And I mean is 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.440 that annoying? Like do people come up to you all 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.920 the time and and talk golf as if they're at 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.720 your level? Yeah? Times here and there, it's kind of 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.720 that's kind of the fun part. The only annoying part 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.760 about like those people as I'm always so jealous that 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.920 you guys that like that's the hobby, because I wish 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.680 I had a hobby that was like outside and competitive, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.920 Yet you know I don't. It's always hard to have 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.800 a hobby. So I'm always jealous. But yeah, I get it. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.160 You can drink at Yeah, you can drink at it 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.080 like I can't. I don't get to do a whole 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.600 lot of that. But it's in golf because there's this 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.280 connection that I've always said is even if you're somebody 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.319 who's like a twenty handicap and you've never broke ninety 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.400 before and you have a put on the last hole 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.439 for eighty nine, you've probably felt the exact same level 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.640 of nervous as a professional, you know, PGA tour players 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.800 felt because it's all relative, so it's the same thing. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.719 So I find that so cool. Now. Every once in 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.280 a while when somebody goes, oh, man, I saw you 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.080 hit that bad shot, it's like, yeah, well, you know, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.400 I don't. I don't have to tell you, man, try 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.840 try my best out here. Yeah, I know, you can 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.600 play pickup back, but it's not like you would ever 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.800 be able to to Lebron James or something and related also, 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.600 golf does have that opening, and I think that's cool 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.920 for the sport. Yeah, it's funny. These last couple of 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.720 weeks especially, there's been a lot of attention on athletes 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.760 mental health, but last couple of years, I feel like 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.960 kind of Kevin Love got the conversation started. But Naomi 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.760 Osaka is what I'm mentioning is withdrawing from the French 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.640 Open after a news conference dispute. Do you think it's 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.520 good for all professional athletes for these type of topics 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.880 to be brought up more mainstream and how do you 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.520 think this is going to affect things moving forward? Yeah, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.120 I think it's really interesting. It's very noble of Naomi 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.440 to do what she did. I do think that we 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.480 have as athletes. I think you you have, especially someone 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.840 like her who is clearly unbelievable, you kind of have 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.600 an obligation to do these interviews. But at the same time, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.520 she has her right to say, you know what, I'm 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 not going to do it. And if she has to 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.280 do with those repercussions or withdraw whatever it is, she 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.880 understands that and I think it was very cool because 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.480 I think that I think about all the time. Some 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.960 players will have a bad week in golf, and I 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:02.920 know that there may be going through a little something 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.520 outside of the game of golf, family, whatever, You'll still 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.080 see the same kind of negative attention towards them as 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.600 far as like media or even fan engagement. And it's like, man, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.960 like you don't understand people are in robots. I know 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.080 I would probably look at somebody on baseball film why 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.840 is he throwing it so bad? Or why why can't 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.840 you touch today? And it's like, man, maybe some else 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.480 is going on that's not great. So it's great of 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.880 her to bring attention to the fact that not everybody 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.240 is a perfect lovely person every day of the week. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.680 Now everybody's gonna be happy at all times, there's a 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.960 lot of stuff. I mean, she talked about anxiety of 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.000 talking in public, and she's got millions of people with 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.120 their eyes on her at all times. So it was 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.560 great that she can bring that point to light because 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.160 she's a tremendous athlete, but she's also just a person 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.040 at the end of the day, and you know, if 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.000 that happened more often, I think people would be more 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.800 willing to seek maybe a little bit of help or 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.680 at least feel like there's a little bit more of 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.240 a commonality to not feeling great all the time. That 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.560 that was very cool. Yeah, I totally agree. It's great 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.280 to have people even know the right verbiage to discuss 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.440 these things with and it's huge. But with you, I mean, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.280 the field is so dense. When you get to the 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.520 level you're at, it's so talented. So there's a lot 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.320 of ups and downs in your profession. So if you 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.920 could go back to National champ at cal you were 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.080 an all pack twelve player, your name, you know, was 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.160 so relevant and there was so much promise, and to 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.440 think of everywhere you've gone since then, what would you 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.200 tell yourself, like holding that trophy, what would you go 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.080 back and tell yourself. I'd probably tell myself that whatever 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.800 next level you go to and for the rest of 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.320 your life to always to always remember that I am 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.240 my favorite golfer. I love that because I think it's 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.680 very easy to grow up and be around these people 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.440 that you've watched and envy what they do, and at 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.320 that moment, I'd be you know, I was holding a 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.680 trophy for being you know, at that time kind of 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.280 like the best player and call for the year kind 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.879 of and or at least at that event, and I 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.639 was at the top of you know, the college game 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.000 for a week and there will be nothing. I would 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.320 imagine other people were envying something that I did, and 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.160 I would be the first to say I lost that 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.560 understanding for a while by looking around too much instead 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.280 of putting my head down, loving who I am and 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.159 how I play the game, and then just going to 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.840 be in me until I'm done playing this game. So 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.800 I would, you know, I don't wish. I'm glad I 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.440 learned this lesson, but whenever I think back to it, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.400 it's like, you know, put your chinna, put back your shoulders, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.520 stand up tall, and just say, you know, I think 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.719 I'm the best one, and I love what I do 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.160 and I'm just gonna go do it to the best 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.760 of my abilities and not spend so much time looking 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.119 around and wondering how these other people are doing what 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.240 they do. It's funny, my dad has told me almost 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:52.520 word for word those same sentences just getting into even broadcasting. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.480 And I don't know if maybe down the line, that's 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.560 something you want to do in golf, because I think 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.520 you'd be really good at it, but it's such a 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.240 paranoid business in our own right. So my dad always says, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.800 you know, never look sideways, put your head down, do 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.200 the work, be a pro. And I feel like maybe 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.960 you two aren't hoots on that one. Yeah, we talked 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.760 before this. Okay, Now I do have to mention you 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.480 are a co host on your own podcast with Shane 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.240 Bacon called Get a Grip, and it's kind of has 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.760 the purpose of making light of a traditionally stuffy sport, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.200 and I think even in the bio of the podcast 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.479 it says the public golf course of podcasts, which I 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.240 really really appreciate. Tell me what this experience has been 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.560 like for you. Has this been a challenge in any 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.960 way or is it really natural? It is challenging in 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.240 the sense that is not where I'm comfortable. Shane is 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.880 a pro and he makes it so easy. Yeah, it's 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.960 been fun to have a little bit of a platform 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.440 to talk about the weeks that I have on the course, 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.359 and also so we can talk about some things that 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.239 I know maybe are going to get misconstrued in the 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.320 media for maybe some of the guys who want or 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.240 who are struggling so I like that. It is a blast. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.720 I want golf to be more inclusive. I want more 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.199 people to be interested in playing. And that's been the 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.160 joy of it all. Yeah, it's hard and scary. Shane 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.800 does like almost all the work. He makes it easy 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.960 for me. I'd show up and talk, but he, you know, 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.600 he comes up with some great ideas and typically formats 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.120