WEBVTT - Jonathan Del Arco Meets World 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.439 I don't think I told you guys about this at all, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.919 and I guess, you know, why would I. But I 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.720 had this situation and then it kind of it changed 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.960 last week, and so I thought I would share this 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:34.680 story because it actually ends up being kind of a 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.080 in a roundabout way of very pod meats world ish story. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:40.720 I was. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.480 So I did this movie when I was eleven, called 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:45.199 Benefit of the Doubt. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.280 Do you guys this? Of course, so I shot this movie. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.319 I was like my first big job. I went off 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.560 to page Arizona. Donald Sutherland is in it. Amy Irving 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.920 played my mom. Christopher McDonald. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.680 Do you guys know him. He's a great doctor. So 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.360 I'm not ago. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.880 So it was like, you know, I was the only 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.120 kid on set. I was out in Arizona for I 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.360 don't know, like three months. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:09.440 I'm horrible in the movie. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.480 I like really struggled as it after I didn't, you know, 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.080 I just didn't know what was going on. But I 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.520 had so much fun. Of course, like out there in 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.160 the desert, I was, you know, getting to shoot guns. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.120 I pull a gun a Donald's otherland. At one point 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.800 we had all these boat chase scenes, you know, and 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.120 behind the scenes, I'm like reading Stephen King, and I 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.960 first tried about Edward Abbey became like this great touchstone 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:32.720 activist writer that I love. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.160 Eleven year old writers Disneyland. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:36.760 Oh yeah, exactly nice. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.080 And there were these there are these caves that we 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.560 shot at called Antelope Canyon, which is these slot caves 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.320 that are these beautif It's like they're open at the 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.319 top so the sunlight streams down. You've seen them in 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.600 like every commercial or whatever. So we actually shut down 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.440 and went there and shot. So last summer, I ended 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.680 up in Page, Arizona on my road trip with Alex 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.800 and Indy, and we went to the canyons and I 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.680 was like, oh my god, I shot a movie here, guys. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.640 And we did the whole tour and it's beautiful. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.040 And then we're hanging out in Page, like on the 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.760 street corner and we're walking down and you know, this 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.400 tiny town in the corner of Lake Powell, and I 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.919 start recognizing things. I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.800 there's the there's the movie theater. It's like I saw 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.760 Wayne's World in that movie theater. Like I remember, we 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.959 had the whole theater to ourselves. We were laughing and 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.800 I had so much fun. And then like I'm like, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.600 wait a minute, Wait a minute, there's there's ice cream. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.000 And we go around the corner and there's like this 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.640 ice cream shop and I'm like, wait, they have frybread. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.120 I know they have like Indian frybread, and like, sure enough, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:37.840 I asked be on the counter. We get frybred and 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.360 I'm like all these memories start and I and I 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.160 get this like weird crawling sensation in the back of 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.480 my mind. I was like, it wasn't it wasn't just 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.280 me and my mom and I was the only kid 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:47.760 in the movie. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.920 I was like, who was my pal? Like who was 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:50.440 my friend? 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.040 I watched Wayne's World We got Frybred, like with this 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.000 person I had this like face and I was like, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.800 oh my god, Connie. And I had totally forgotten about 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.800 this woman, Connie, who was my best friend. And I'm like, wait, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.760 she was like twenty five and she was the second AD. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.600 Her name was Connie Hoy and she did you know, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.400 so as a second AD, she was the person who 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.160 would have been kind of in charge of like getting 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.720 me for my trailer. But she was my friend, like 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.720 I just I and I had totally forgotten that. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:22.560 This person existed. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.519 I was like, we spent the entire shoot hanging out, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.440 and she was like, you know, I looked at her 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.560 as like, you know, my peer, which is. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:30.320 Just so funny. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.400 And I was like, why did this twenty five year 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.760 old woman spend so much? Like she was so giving 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.960 and so awesome, and I was like, and the last 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.240 time I'd seen her was at the premiere of the 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.640 movie and she was pregnant and I had never seen 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.040 her since. And so I'm sitting there having all these 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.360 memories flooded. I'm like, I gotta find Connie. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:48.320 Yeah, So I. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:49.920 Pick up my phone, pick up my phone. I'm on 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.880 the corner page in Indian and Alex were like, let's go. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.640 And I'm like, no, no, no, no. So I do the 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.160 research and I find her. I find like an email address. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.040 I send her a letter. I'm like, hey, I don't 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.120 know if you remember, but like, thank you, like you 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.120 were like my friend. And I had all these positive 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.400 and I you know, and within a couple hours. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.280 She wrote me back and it was like oh. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.600 And I So we kept writing letters and texting, and 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.880 then when I got back to La I went and 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.800 met her for sushi and it was amazing. It was like, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.919 she's exactly the same. Of course, she's much older. She 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.919 went on to not only raise her kid, but she 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.760 married a guy that she worked with on her next 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.760 movie who already had kids, and she raised them and 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.800 she it was just like and it was exactly the same, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.560 Like we just fell right back into our friendship. And 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.919 she had gone on to become a producer. She worked 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.520 on like all these legendary films from the nineties, like 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.880 Jim Jarmusch films, I don't know if you guys know him, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.120 like a classic. He did the movie dead Man with 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.919 Johnny Depp, and like, she worked on that, and she just, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.120 you know, she's got a film buff obviously, So we 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.719 started connecting on all the things she's worked on. Anyway, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.840 it was great to reconnect. And then we just have 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.480 been in touch and like sending you know, messages every 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.400 once in a while. And then of course Donald Sutherland 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.039 died and when that happened, she texted me and we 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.520 were like, and so I had this plan to when 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.040 I was on this road trip this summer. We were 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.880 texting and I was like, oh, when I get back, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.720 you know, She's like, I'm going to take you out. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.799 To lunch and return the favor and catch up again. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.240 And then last week I'm in the I'm out in 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.159 the desert with friends and I get this weird email 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.800 from somebody I don't know who's like, hey, I'm trying 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:32.479 to find writer. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:35.440 Connie died. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.840 Yeah, And it was like just this sudden you know, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:47.480 oh what Like I was just texting, so yeah, it's like, uh, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.560 and you know, this guy Adam, who was a lifelong 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.520 friend of hers, is writing to me and he's like, yeah, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.960 she I didn't know how any of your contact infos, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.560 so he's like finding me through Instagram and whatnot. He's like, because, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.800 but I just, you know, I want to let you 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.760 know and if you want to come to the memorial. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.600 And Connie was really you know, affected by your letter 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.279 and like she really really croudy, like had told everybody 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.080 in her life, you know, like hey, like look this 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:20.800 kid that I worked with remembered me and yeah, just 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.960 you know, it's one of those things, like so much 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.880 of what we've been doing on this podcast has been this, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.080 you know, like going back and reconnecting with people that 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.479 really we took for granted. And then also I just 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.120 think about how the industry takes these people for granted, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.320 you know, like when we have especially as a kid, 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.240 but when you work on a film, you know, whether 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.960 it's good or bad, it's a lived experience of crewe 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.600 people and people that dedicate their lives and just are 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.360 the unsung heroes, you know, whether it's Addie dis Stefano 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.400 or David Combs or you know, and like their name 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.800 might not even be in the end credits, you know, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.800 and yet they make the entire thing possible, and they 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.240 it's a collaborative art form. And they also changed the 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.000 lives of you know, little eleven year old kids who 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 are totally lost and confused about what they're doing. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.200 And yeah, so I just. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:19.760 You know, I wanted to give a shout out to 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:24.960 Connie Hoy, Connie Maverick Hoy who passed away and just really. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.040 Changed my life. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.800 Was super positive influence, so sweet. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.800 That's so sweet, and you know, you're right. It ties 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.920 in so well with what we've been doing with the podcast. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.960 And it's such a great reminder too that like when 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.320 you do have a memory of somebody and they positively 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.280 impacted you in some way doing the little bit of work, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.880 it takes if possible to find them and let them 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.280 know is so important because you know, you obviously thoroughly 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.000 enjoyed reconnecting with her, and she enjoyed reconnecting with you, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.280 but you would have also never known how much should 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.200 impacted her until her friend told you, like, wow, she 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 was so proud that this kid she had worked with 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.440 thirty years later is you know, reaching out to her 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.480 to reconnect. So, you know, letting somebody know what they 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.160 mean to you or what they meant to you, even 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.920 if it was for a really short period of time 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:18.320 in your life. You know, how long were you working 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:18.840 on that movie? 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:19.840 Yeah, like three months? 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.040 Right? 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.120 Yeah, you know, three months? 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.320 Three months of your life again, you know, and I. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.800 Saw again and yet you went out of your way 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.400 and it turned into a beautiful friendship now as adults, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.120 and unfortunately was cut short. But it's never too late 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:33.520 to reach out until somebody when they met. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.360 Yeah, let people know, you know, and like, and that's 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.880 what's so great about the internet, right, Like, that's the 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.080 benefit is that we can find each other. We can't 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.480 you know, people don't just get lost. We can all 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:48.880 find each other. But yeah, it's a yeah, I'm really sad, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.360 but I'm also really glad that I did at least 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.760 get to have that moment when and it was, you know, amazing. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.280 The friendship was right back there. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.360 Oh right, you're still just as cool. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.880 It's one of those things where, whether you believe in fate, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.880 whether they don't believe in fate, you easily could have 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.240 thought about her again after she had already passed away. Yeah, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.280 and you wouldn't have had that opportunity, but you didn't something. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.200 You were in the right place at the right time, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.240 and you had the memory and you were able to reconnect. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.079 And I don't know whether you believe. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.840 In higher powers, fate, whatever you want to call it, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.520 something somewhere needed you guys to get together again. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.400 Yeah, at least one more time. So yeah, that's very cool. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.439 Thank you for sharing with us, writer, and I love 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:29.280 you both very much. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.360 I love you. I love you too. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.160 Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.760 Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.800 Seasons four and five of Boy Meets World are unique 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.600 for many reasons, and one of those reasons makes booking 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.480 the rewatch podcast thirty years later a slightly more difficult task. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.760 Gone are the days of rapid fire of up and 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.160 coming young names like Carrie Russell, Lindsay Price and Will 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.400 Esti's for every episode, making way for actors who were 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.200 a little on the older side, say Paul Gleeson, the 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.839 guys from the Love Boat, Soopy Sales, Buddy Hackett, and 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.560 the incomparable Phil Leads. I know he looked young, but 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.079 he was in fact old Phil. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:20.720 No, he was not. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.960 I'm surprised to have to tell you that easy. Many 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.480 of these stars, each leaving undeniable contributions to the legacy 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.920 of our show, are no longer with us. So when 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.720 a scene stealing guest star that was our age pops 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.400 up on screen these days, we'd jump at the chance 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.880 to talk to them. And today's guest is just that 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.240 he's so cool. His first acting job after moving from 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.199 Uruguay at the age of ten was on Miami Vice. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.000 Oh not great. He'd quickly book roles on TV mainstays 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.160 like The Wonder Years and Blossom, and eventually inserting himself 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.320 into the Star Trek canon as the Borg Drone Hugh 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.960 on Star Trek the Next Generation, a role he reprised 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.800 two other times for the franchise He's been on and 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.200 off Broadway, studying acting from New York to Harvard, eventually 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.199 appearing on Nip Tuck as the unforgettable character Sophia Lopez, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.520 a transgender patient who's come to McNamara Troy for a procedure. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.960 He's also appeared on twenty four and The Sopranos, and 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.160 was a series regular on The Closer and its spinoff, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.520 Major Crimes. He's a political, environmental, and gay rights activist 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.360 who has worked for five presidential campaigns and was awarded 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.400 the twenty thirteen Visibility Award from the Human Rights Campaign. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.640 But today we are talking to him about one appearance 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.280 he made back in nineteen ninety seven as Nunzio, the 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.600 handsome waiter at El Coyote who just wants to dance 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.760 with Tapanga. Oh and he has a connection to one 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.600 of us that might just blow your mind. Welcome to 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.920 pod meets World, the wonderful Jonathan Delarco. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:02.640 My god, yeah. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.120 Oh, my goodness, it happens to the best of us. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.760 Thirty years later, here we are. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:08.720 Wow. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.959 How strange is that. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.520 It's so good to see you. Thank you so much 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.120 for being here. You you without even knowing it, you 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.559 joined a little bit of a club on our podcast 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.440 for what we call perfect drive Bys. It's a guest 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.960 star who swung in for one episode, gave it all 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.680 you had, and it was just absolutely wonderful, So. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.679 We would kill it, killed it left giving. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.920 You your flowers. What an episode? 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.559 You're the whole episode. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.360 It's a yes, I just free watched it because I'm like, literally, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:48.640 I hadn't seen it since it aired, right, and I'm like, Wow, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.560 they let me do those dance moves. That's really d. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:55.840 You're so glad they did it? 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.920 Was you know, I love it? 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.000 You even talking third part? 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:05.880 Yeah, exactly so. And I was so much older than 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.360 you guys, that's no way, no dude, I was like 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:09.960 twenty nine. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:12.840 Really okay, I wouldn't. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:13.680 I did not know. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.040 All these days we have a twenty nine year old 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.840 actor being well. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.360 You know what's funny is that you were then almost 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.000 the same age as Trina. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.720 Yeah right right, yeah, yeah. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.479 Trina I think was like twenty seven or twenty. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.960 Eight, and she and I were actually making out all 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:31.400 the time. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.760 Yeah, like you would all be arrested. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.640 Now, it's so funny. Well, before we jump in and 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.920 talk about Nunzio, I wanted to get a little bit 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.520 into your origin story. We know you were born in Uruguay. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.920 Is that where the idea for becoming an actor was born? 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.800 I mean kind of. I was always a performer when 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.520 I was a little kid, and I would do like 0:13:55.559 --> 0:14:01.320 poppet shows and dirty jokes at my uncle's bar, like 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.120 you know, the tips. And I was always just not 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.440 kind of an odd kid when I was little. And 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.000 then we moved to the US when I was ten, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.079 and so I was immediately the odd man. I mean 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.400 I didn't speak English and I had a weird really 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.000 already I was ten, so I had this like weird voice, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.480 and I spoke very little English, and I learned English 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.880 watching TV over over one summer. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.840 Oh man, And what are your watching? Do you remember 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.320 what you were watching to learn English? 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:37.200 I watched what was on Brady Bunch. We're talking like 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:43.200 seventy six, so Brady Bunch Days, Lucy Happy Days, Gilligan's Island, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.720 all shows that were like big hits. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.479 Classic Mark and Mindy. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:54.000 I watched some British like Benny Hill, some really British comedy, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.440 and I like learned English in two months. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.920 That's amazing. And you have no accent like you. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.040 It was. So, what's weird is I grew up in Portchester, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.680 New York, and all the kids talk like this. Oh 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.440 I didn't I talk like a kid'. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:11.600 You do? 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.800 You have what TV actors called a non regional diction, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.200 so you can be from everywhere. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.960 That's what that's what you want to be. Oh god, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:19.520 So that was the. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.440 Iguish I learned. And then I really because of watching TV, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.920 I was like, I think that that's my vibe, Like 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.560 I could do that. And then yeah, so I became 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.840 you know, I lived near New York, so Broadway was 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.600 kind of always there, and I think I was like 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.760 maybe fourteen when I saw Matthew Broderick win a Tony 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.720 and I watched him win the award and I was like, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.040 I could play that. I mean I didn't know what 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.560 the part was, but saw him and I was like, well, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.560 I could do what he's doing. And then I went 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.640 ahead and did just like for all the places he 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.280 had done and like picked up the scraps and along 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.240 the way. Yeah. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.720 And so what did your parents think about the stream 0:15:58.760 --> 0:15:59.920 you had and pursuing it. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.520 My mom and dad were like super dreamer people, like 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.240 they they like my dad moved here when he was 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.600 made there. I had older parents, so they moved to 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.200 the States when my dad was already in his fifties, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.240 so like my age and like maybe a little younger 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.680 than I am now. My mom was younger than him, 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.880 she was in her forties, and he like uprooted the 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.560 family and like moved and so okay, and he was. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:28.200 So they were always very adventurous, my dad in particular, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.480 and they just encouraged it. They were like, go do it. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:33.960 I don't know, I mean they were very like hands 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.280 off parents in a way. They were not helicoptery at all, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.360 maybe because they were older. You know, if you want 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.000 to do that, go do that. You seem pretty good 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:46.240 at it. So they they were good. They were really 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.000 good about it. My mom when my sag unionship bo 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.880 car for it at the time. So yeah, I had 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.320 a really supportive family. I wasn't a kid actor, but 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.880 super weird because I looked really really young, played kid 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.800 rolls until I was I think your Show was probably 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.000 the last I think it was. I think it was 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.280 the last time casting was like you're not twenty nine, right, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.920 It got weird. I mean I was, you know what, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.320 I mean, and that was I mean, I was playing 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.040 a little older than you guys, but not much. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.000 Yeah yeah, you were a manager of the restaurants. You 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:23.800 were early. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.320 Twenty Yeah yeah, but you just make it weird to 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.800 go dancing with the girl from high school. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.919 I guess it does. Maybe on set too, I was like, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.600 I know, like, what was I going to talk to 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.680 you guys about. You know, I mean, first of all, 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.040 I was gay and out and like going to clubs 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.760 as a game man, So like, I'm going to talk 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.720 to the kids about that. Let me talk about nothing. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:52.280 I have nothing in common. That's I mean, my girl, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:52.639 you know. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.720 Yeah, that's so funny. I love that. Even then for yourself, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.400 you're like, I think this is the last time I'm 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:59.440 going to audition for. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.560 Nature and then it didn't work for like forever. You guys, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:09.280 baby faces probably know what I'm talking about. That weird 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.719 twilight zone of like you look like a kid, but 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:12.600 you're really a man. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.040 And we right in your intro we mentioned that your 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.720 first big TV job was on Miami Vice, And I'm 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.840 not sure there's a cooler show to debut or cool 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:25.240 Which episode? 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:25.880 Which episode? 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:26.240 What did you do? 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:27.840 Which episode was Paul. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.040 I remember my first gig. It was called God's Work. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.960 It was it was the first episode I think on 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.160 television that dealt with AIDS, which was like major taboo 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:45.040 at the time. And Issie Morales played a character whose 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.800 I think his lover was sick and like some church 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.480 like hospice place. I was this punk kid who was 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.359 like graffeiting the church. I don't know. I was like 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.639 not a good guy. I was like a brady kid. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:01.880 That was my first gid. I was crazy. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.160 And how old were you then? 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:10.960 So I must have been twenty two, twenty two, okay, yeah, anyway, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.160 and you got to work with you, you know. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.320 And you got to work with Isi Morales and with 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.400 Don Johnson and with the whole I mean everybody. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:19.439 Yeah, so cool. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.639 Yeah. I gotated by Tubbs, you know. So I was, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.600 I know, crazy, It's best And I got that because 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.399 the director of that had come to see me in 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.600 a play and thought I was interesting and took me 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.040 out to lunch. And it was a female director. Janelized 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.720 she still works a ton brilliant director. She took me 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.080 out to lunch. She's like, I think you're a really 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.400 interesting actor. Blah blah blah. You should audition for this, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.720 this and that next thing. I know, I'm getting an offer. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.600 I mean, I'm a kid, I'm a young actor getting 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.680 an offer to go do Miami Vice. And I arrived 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.480