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Speaker 4: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Seasons four and five of Boy Meets World are unique

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Speaker 4: for many reasons, and one of those reasons makes booking

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Speaker 4: Gone are the days of rapid fire of up and

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Speaker 5: My god, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness, it happens to the best of us.

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Speaker 4: Thirty years later, here we are.

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Speaker 5: How strange is that.

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Speaker 4: It's so good to see you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 5: It's a yes, I just free watched it because I'm like, literally,

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Speaker 4: You're so glad they did it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly so. And I was so much older than

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Speaker 5: I watched what was on Brady Bunch. We're talking like

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Speaker 6: You have what TV actors called a non regional diction,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so funny. I love that. Even then for yourself,

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Speaker 4: And we right in your intro we mentioned that your

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Speaker 5: What did you do?

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Speaker 2: Which episode was Paul.

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Speaker 5: I remember my first gig. It was called God's Work.

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Speaker 5: That was my first gid. I was crazy.

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Speaker 6: And you got to work with Isi Morales and with

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Speaker 4: That's so cool, that's amazing. So that's how you find yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did, because well, I watched. One of the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like filmmaking. It was like grant, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah. Did you do the Startork two?

439
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: No? I know, I wish no.

440
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 6: I did what I did a pilot for National Geographic

441
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 6: when I was fifteen, and one of the things I'd do.

442
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 6: They flew me out to Hollywood and I interviewed everyone

443
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 6: on Star Trek and then they Mike Westmore brought me

444
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 6: into the chair and made me up like a Romulin

445
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 6: and then I just got to hang out and interview

446
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 6: everybody like as I'm dressed like a Romulin. I Also,

447
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 6: I've been friends with Wheaton since we were like thirteen,

448
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 6: so I kind of knew that whole world.

449
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: But you go there, I mean, it's exactly what you're saying.

450
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 6: You go to boy Mets World, and yes, we were network,

451
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 6: but you go to stage two and there's boy Mets World.

452
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 6: You went to see Star Trek. It was like seven

453
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 6: stages worth of stuff. Yeah, and they were took over

454
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 6: the Paramount lot. It was everywhere.

455
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had they had they seemed like seven I

456
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 5: think they got they had three permanent ones.

457
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 2: Was it three?

458
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 5: That?

459
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: Okay?

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 5: You know there were more because there were other If

461
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 5: you went there when they were doing uh, deep Space nine,

462
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 5: they had an entire Yeah, they pretty much owned Paramount.

463
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: You have an action figure.

464
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's so stupid.

465
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: It's it's the best. It's stupid, it's the best.

466
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 5: It's really weird. But conventions, you guys know this because

467
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 5: like your ship is right.

468
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, listen, no matter how large our

469
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 4: cult audience has become nothing is touching Star Trek. So, like,

470
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 4: what is your favorite fan story of someone recognizing their

471
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 4: favorite drone?

472
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I had weird ones. I had like

473
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 5: a weird Japanese stalker that made all of me. Yeah,

474
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 5: but she like got the hint that I wasn't interested.

475
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: She definitely some intimate time with the board.

476
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

477
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: But most of them have been really sweet. I love

478
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 5: like going to a convention now and having like little kids.

479
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 5: That was in England maybe last year, and this like

480
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 5: cute little eight year old seven year old kid came

481
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 5: up and told them told me I was his favorite character,

482
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: and just like I don't give you your grandfather. I mean,

483
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 5: it's so weird that they just yeah, you know, and

484
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: it's a weird per set like that. That's so weird

485
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 5: what we do, isn't it That it just kind of

486
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 5: lives on and people Yeah, same, you know, it's amazing.

487
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 6: Well, Jean Luke Picard wasn't even happy that Doctor Crusher

488
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 6: brought you onto this onto the Enterprise in the first place,

489
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 6: so I mean it is what it is.

490
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 5: At this point, I got to actually work with him

491
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: again on Picard.

492
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: So nice. Yeah, that's so cool, brilliant actor.

493
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 4: Well, I have one more question for you before we

494
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 4: jump into El Coyote from Boy Meets World. During our research,

495
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: we learned that you and the Strong family actually go

496
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: way back. Is it true that you played the role

497
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: of Adam Larson on a little show called The Mommies

498
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: the pilot?

499
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 5: What and it trade sent me? What they did to

500
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: me sent me straight to therapy.

501
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: We talk about this so much of how this happened.

502
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was messed up. I got the Mommies. It

503
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 5: was do you remember do you remember? I don't You

504
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 5: guys probably don't remember that they were these women that

505
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 5: had NBC had given them this great platform. They were

506
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 5: on TV. They gave every opportunity to launch the series

507
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 5: and it was like a buzz buzz buzz and I

508
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: got cat kid. I was old. I mean I was

509
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 5: like not a kid, and you know, director would be like,

510
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: could you make that sound younger? And I was like, means,

511
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: so I get cast. They filmed the pilot. It was

512
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 5: all exciting before the obviously the Internet and that summer

513
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 5: it gets picked up. But I don't but I don't

514
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 5: know what that means as a kid, right, you don't

515
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 5: as a young person. You're like, I don't know what

516
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 5: it means. I didn't get picked up yet. And then

517
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 5: they air all the ads with me in it. All

518
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: the ads are like aired. I'm like in every clip,

519
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 5: all my friends are calling me from New York. Dude,

520
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 5: I saw your ad for your TV show. I'm like, yeah,

521
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 5: I don't doing it anymore. And it was because I

522
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 5: think your brother had a deal something they were I

523
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: think they cast me waiting to see if your brother's

524
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: deal had fallen through or whatever. Oh and then I

525
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: worked with you and that was a funny, like sort

526
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 5: of full circle. But yeah, no, that was that was rough.

527
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm doing it because this was like

528
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: the first, the first thing I ever and I think

529
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 5: the only thing I've ever were gotten fired from. Or

530
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 5: it's super crushing. I mean, it's it makes you like

531
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 5: doubt everything you're doing. Yeah, yeah, why am I bad?

532
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 5: And all that.

533
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard with acting.

534
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: You just you can't help it, take it personally right,

535
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: because it feels it's you. It's your voice, it's your body,

536
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: it's your face, and it's just you can't help but

537
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: be like, well I could have done it right. But

538
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: it's like the reality is, of course it's it's not you, right, Like,

539
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the reality is it's not personal and it's not about you,

540
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: and you're just too old or they're not right for

541
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: the part.

542
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: But you can't help it. I mean, especially at that age,

543
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: it's just so crushing.

544
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 5: Ow and you know you guys know, like you get

545
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 5: like the dangling of they show you, like what the

546
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 5: contract is, change, I'm gonna travel, I'm gonna have a

547
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 5: great life, and then it's like nuts so fast. So

548
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: I gave up on pilots at that point. I decided

549
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 5: pilots were just just like not the best way in

550
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 5: the door. Well, like just getting a guest spot that

551
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 5: becomes something else is usually a much better trajectory.

552
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 6: I mean, it's bad enough to be replaced, which I

553
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 6: think ninety nine percent of actors have had happened.

554
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: But when they then go and use the clips that

555
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: you're really messed up. That's not cool at all. It's

556
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: like that's just taking it.

557
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 5: To another union, got them taken down. I think, yeah

558
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 5: for it, but it was just humiliating, yeah right, I

559
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 5: mean it's excited that you were. It'd be like showing

560
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 5: the gallery shoot with you in it on a billboard

561
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 5: in it, right, Yeah, I never met your brother. I

562
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 5: never I never hung out with that circle after that.

563
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well showed in last didn't didn't you?

564
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 5: It wasn't my good show.

565
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: But no, he was. He was pretty unhappy.

566
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: It was, you know, because all the part ended up

567
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: just being him making out with a girl like that

568
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: was the recurring joke is that he's always just hanging

569
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: around and it was just a nothing, thankless part.

570
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: He was. He was not happy, but whatever.

571
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: I want to talk Boy Meets World with you. Yes,

572
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: do you remember auditioning for Boy Meets World?

573
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: I don't, you know, you have to remember. For you guys,

574
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 5: the show is like a big chunk of your life.

575
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 5: For me, it was a yeah, I feel like I

576
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: remember so the really handsome guy that got like said

577
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: the other role. I remember him coming in the Sergia

578
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: Sergia so we both auditioned and I remember and he

579
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: was I'm short, he was really tall and handsome, and

580
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: I was like, well, that guy's gonna get it, like

581
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: that's like a noe brainer. And he goes and you

582
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: hear through the door laughs, and then I just remember,

583
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 5: you know, so many of these sitcoms are like you

584
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: know tropes, right of the stereotypical he was like the

585
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 5: stereotypical lover, but kind of a sweet guy Nunzio, right,

586
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 5: that he helps the boys and all that. Yeah, So

587
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: I just like so totally leaned into that sort of

588
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 5: self love, right, And I remember they just died. They

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: just thought it was so funny. So it felt good

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 5: because you were in the room and they were just

591
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 5: cracking up, right, So that's all I remember about it.

592
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 5: It's definitely in the room. It was not self tape.

593
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: Right exactly before you audition, did you know anything about

594
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World? Had you ever seen the show? I

595
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: know you mentioned you were twenty nine and we were

596
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: obviously on Friday nights and probably not watching the show.

597
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 2: That creepy watching, look right, you were not aware of it?

598
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: Well, I was in acting school and I was I

599
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 5: was taking acting classes and we were all doing Shakespeare

600
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 5: and you know whatever, Chuck Off and what. I think.

601
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: We watched Friends and like they were the more adult

602
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: shows that we were into. So, I mean, I knew

603
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: it was out there because it was a hit, you know,

604
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: we I knew the hits, right, and getting job like

605
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: that was always great. But I didn't watch it wasn't Yeah,

606
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 5: so what do.

607
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: You remember from filming that week? And we promise you

608
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: no story is too small or too detailed, just whatever

609
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: you remember about the way.

610
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: I remember. So, I remember being like these kids number one.

611
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: I was like, they're all kids number one. The girls

612
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: were great, like I had like I was, I navigate

613
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: the girls great. The boys were like completely out of control.

614
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 5: I remember the boys were just like crazy, like teenagery,

615
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't know what was happening that week.

616
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 5: It was like a hormonal I don't know what was

617
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: I think there were a couple of girls in the

618
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: show too that were like eights or something.

619
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was Sonia and Cookie.

620
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: It was like a sort of like a boy thing

621
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: to like sort of show off with the girls. I

622
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 5: don't remember. But there was an older the director was

623
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 5: this older dude.

624
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys.

625
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: Were like relent, like you tease him and whatever. The

626
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: boys would be like funny with him. Hey. I remember

627
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: him turning to me and going, I'm sorry, he's like

628
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: kids like, no, I I get it.

629
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: I got it.

630
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: Always really out of control that week, and the kids.

631
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Is always on. We were always on.

632
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: We had so much energy and I think back I

633
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: must have been just exhausting.

634
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

635
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, no connectivity there For me, it was like.

636
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: Can you get me the second you need me, and

637
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: not a moment before.

638
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 5: Also at that age, and you're playing like a peer

639
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: of like celeric kids that are stars, right, that have

640
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: been a show forever, And all my friends are like

641
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: starving actors. You know, there's a very different aesthetic, like

642
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: it's a young actor than to like the working kids

643
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: are a different world. You guys lived in your yeah

644
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: in a way, right, Yeah, sure, But I was reading

645
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: some stuff about like the challenges too. I mean I

646
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: can't imagine being a kid actor on a sitcomb in

647
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: those days. It must have been so weird to have.

648
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: I don't know that all the expectations they you must

649
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: have had thrust upon you.

650
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

651
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

653
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: It was an easy job in some ways, right, Like

654
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: compared to shooting single camera or shooting film. It was

655
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: a great schedule and we were always laughing, We were

656
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: always having fun. But yeah, certainly like the fame and

657
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: the pressure and you know, we just didn't know what

658
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: we were doing, just were clueless.

659
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 5: You know and all like the thing to remember too. Like,

660
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: I bet a lot of people that are watching now

661
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: don't realize that all those shows were run by straight

662
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 5: man men very specific ideas about what was funny, Yes,

663
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: I wasn't offensive, or was you know, very very interesting.

664
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 5: I mean definitely, Like I was saying, like the tropes

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: of being Latino. I mean, I get into it to

666
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 5: be able to get the gigs, but there was a

667
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: ton of I mean not your show, but other com

668
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 5: I did were like the racism was sort of inherent

669
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 5: in the writing. You know, yeah, teryotypical you know, Latino thing,

670
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 5: or the stereototypical woman thing, or want to young what

671
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 5: are young boys like? You know, it's funny when you

672
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 5: watch stuff and even like Friends, Oh yeah, Friends, and

673
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: you're like, they just make a homophobic joke, and you're like, right,

674
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 5: they totally did.

675
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: They did a whole homophobic episodes of Friends.

676
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're like, wow, there was a game writer

677
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: around the show too, and you're like that's really interesting. Yeah.

678
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: We've talked about it a lot for Boy Meets World too,

679
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: because there were actually, surprisingly, we've been pleasantly surprised that

680
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 4: there were quite a few very progressive episodes and progressive

681
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: scenes and progressive thinking, and then every now and then

682
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: you get one in there and you're like, this whole

683
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: episode is tinged with toxic masculinity or homophobia, like and

684
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: it's hard to parse through which one it is. You know, Yeah,

685
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: it's you know, the time it was brought UCTs up

686
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: their time, and we can't go back and change them.

687
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: But it is interesting to notice, and it's and it's

688
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: important to recognize and be able to acknowledge it and say,

689
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: we don't do that anymore, and we're you know, it's

690
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: nice to to see that.

691
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 5: Change and jump. I guess too. You guys don't forget.

692
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 5: But the audience listening, they had a crank, like what

693
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: twenty five episodes a year. Yeah, at some point you're

694
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 5: just going, is this funny or not? Right?

695
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly?

696
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

697
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, Well the dance that's in this episode has

698
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: gone viral a few times over the Oh yeah, it

699
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 4: goes viral every every couple of years. It's so funny.

700
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: What do you remember from the hot stuff dance routine

701
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: in the nightclub?

702
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 5: I remember getting into like that little tight thing with

703
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: like a change. Yeah, all my hair was ridiculously long.

704
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean I still have long hair, but that it

705
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: looked great.

706
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: That was ridiculously long. But I remember then not playing

707
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: any music for us to dance. Do you remember that?

708
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: They were, oh, of course, And I was.

709
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: Like, I'm sorry, I've never you know. That was like

710
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 5: a live tape situation, like we're supposed to dance to nothing.

711
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: No music.

712
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: I was like, so what will it be be? They're like,

713
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 5: we don't know yet we have the music. That's what

714
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: I remember thinking this, this feels super awkward.

715
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: That's another thing we've talked about the amount of episodes

716
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: where we have music playing and somebody's supposed to be dancing,

717
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: and we've talked about do you remember how awful those

718
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: always were because you have nothing to dance too, and

719
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: yet you're either supposed to look like you're a good

720
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: dancer or a bad dancer, but you don't know what

721
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: the sound is going to be, and it's just so uncomfortable, especially.

722
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: When it's a whole room with people because they have

723
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: all these background actors.

724
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: Yes, they're happy to do Yeah, everybody's doing their own rhythm,

725
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: like what are we doing?

726
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

727
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: Situation.

728
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: Do people in your life know that you were on

729
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World? Have you ever been recognized for Boy

730
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 4: Meets World?

731
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 5: So it's something super weird happened. Maybe like fifteen years ago.

732
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: I was doing a play that was like an education play.

733
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: It was called Books to Life. You can bring a

734
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 5: book to life essentially for the school system. And I

735
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: was performing this gang, this play about La Gangs of

736
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 5: all things. It was like a one man show. And

737
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: the kids, the Latino kids from like the barrio in

738
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: downtown La totally call me out Edmundzio. They're like, what

739
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: is happening? Like, yo, that's news too. I was like, what, yo,

740
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 5: you got old? You know what I mean?

741
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

742
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 5: Like watched it thinking it was like a.

743
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: Year now of course, well.

744
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: Aged twenty years at the time. Yeah, I'm much older now.

745
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for the commment.

746
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: So, but it's weird recause your show. It's kids new kids,

747
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 5: watch it right, yes.

748
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And it always is shocking to me when

749
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 4: it's you know, an eleven year old who's like, oh

750
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: my gosh y, yeah, so funny.

751
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: It's interesting, right, all our sort of paths.

752
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

753
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: It's so great now that there are so many different

754
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: opportunities and avenues for actors to make a living in

755
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 4: other ways because it was so it was so much

756
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: harder back then. It was like the you know, even

757
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: now talking about being able to do conventions, how great

758
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 4: have conventions been for people to help make it make us,

759
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: you know, make us a living in between the times

760
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: when you're booking jobs. It's like we didn't used to

761
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 4: have those options.

762
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean I I because of

763
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: Star Trek. I was doing conventions even when I did

764
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 5: your show, because it exists in the seventies. But conventions

765
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 5: now like every show has their own yep, yeah, their

766
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 5: own sort of thing. So yeah, it's fun too. I

767
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: mean I always wonder, like when you it must be

768
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: weird for you guys to have had like this huge

769
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 5: success so young. One of you said in some quote

770
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: I read, it's weird like you the first line of

771
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 5: your obituaries already written. That really kind of made me think,

772
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: like that's kind of wild. Because with Star Trek, I'm

773
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: also like, god, I hope that's not the first line.

774
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 5: They Yeah, like I big, so that I can you know,

775
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 5: like not that I hate it, but it's like you

776
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 5: don't want to be identified as something did so long ago, right.

777
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean you're on the Sopranos, for God's sakes.

778
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: I mean that was the huge show which we didn't

779
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: get to talk about, which I would love to have

780
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: talked about.

781
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 4: What we will talk about it Moranos a little bit. Okay,

782
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 4: let's talk Sopranos.

783
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: Go for it. Well, what was it like to be

784
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: on Sopranos?

785
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 5: Was like going into the mob? Was it really the

786
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: priests and the Sopranos? And I actually self taped that

787
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: out of la So I never auditioned for it, and

788
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 5: that was self tape. Wasn't even a thing then. But

789
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: I got to New York, they got me, They drove

790
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 5: me to Jersey. I got through hair and makeup and

791
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 5: into my priests got and we were in an Italian

792
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: neighborhood shooting on location. Well, they all acted like I

793
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 5: was a priest. They were all like your father thought.

794
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 5: I mean, they were so reverential.

795
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: Let me tell, let me tell our dear listeners, so

796
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: they know what we're talking about. You played Father Jose

797
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 4: of Saint Eliza's Church, the Keeper of the Saints hat,

798
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 4: and you had a very intense scene with Polly Walnuts.

799
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, who showed up hair already done. You didn't touch

800
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 5: Oh I love that. Shut up camera ready. You didn't

801
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: touch his hair on his face? I did. It Definitely

802
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 5: felt like it felt very real, is all I'm going

803
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: to say. Like everyone very legitimately like you were walking

804
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 5: into the show. It didn't feel like a bunch of

805
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 5: actors sitting around to you know, be asking about whatever

806
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: it was.

807
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: It was just like your time on Boy Meets World.

808
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 6: Yes, very similar, very similar, very.

809
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 5: It was superb subversion. Let Yeah, apparently priests very popular

810
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 5: in the mob, so all one messed with me. They

811
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: were a little scared that I would put some kind

812
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 5: of hecks on them or sometimes the power of the collar.

813
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: Yes, I also want to talk to you after you

814
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: totally killed it on our show. You ended up in

815
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: two thousand and three on Ryan Murphy's Nip Tuck, and

816
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: you played a trans woman, Sophia Lopez, in an emotional

817
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: three episode arc where you visit the doctor to have

818
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: your Adams apple shaved down. It was incredibly early to

819
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 4: play a transgender character on television and it is such

820
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: a memorable role. What was that experience like for you?

821
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 5: So that show was so I didn't work since I

822
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: finished when I I think your show was the last

823
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 5: thing I did until I did. No, I did your show,

824
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 5: and then I didn't work for several years. I had

825
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 5: and then I did. My manager, who's also my husband,

826
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 5: got me. He's like, do something like, please work tiny

827
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 5: role in a pighilt of a transgender character. The pilot

828
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: was called First Monday. It's like, you do this part.

829
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 5: You should just try And I'm like, oh, I don't

830
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 5: know what, what even is that? So I did this

831
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 5: little role as a transgender character. It's like, oh, I

832
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: could totally play that. Because back then they weren't that

833
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: that's not a topic that was explored. Gender actors existed

834
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 5: in the theater world, but they were not in the industry.

835
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: It wasn't like there was a ton of people that

836
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: were being considered for these roles. And if you could,

837
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: I'm a character actor, so if you could become something

838
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: physically different, why not. And then the nip Talk role

839
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 5: came along and it was like nip Talk was just

840
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 5: it broke the mole on everything. They just did whatever

841
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 5: they wanted to. Ryan did whatever he wanted to, and

842
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 5: so yeah, it was definitely, I mean, it's a role

843
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 5: I couldn't play now, obviously because there are transgender actors

844
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 5: playing there, but back then there really weren't that many.

845
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: So I feel really lucky I got to play her.

846
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 5: She was an amazing character.

847
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: I was wondering if you could talk to us a

848
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: little bit about the differences and opportunities for gay actors

849
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 4: comparing the nineties and now.

850
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I was totally in the closet in the

851
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 5: nineties as an actor. I wasn't out, Like I wouldn't

852
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: come to set and talk to you about my husband

853
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 5: or my life would yeah, matter of fact, the comics

854
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 5: and I was also kind of like young heart throbby

855
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 5: type of vibe and so like the comics of the

856
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 5: warm up would be like there's a girl here who

857
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: wants to know if you've got a girlfriend. That kind

858
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 5: of thing happened to be at Mommies and completely was

859
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 5: like why what do I do? I don't want to

860
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: lie about who I am. It was very complicated. It

861
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 5: was like about who I am, but I don't want

862
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: to come out and I don't want it to be

863
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: this thing. And there were normal people, you know. Definitely

864
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: I couldn't have played any of the parts I played

865
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 5: in the sitcoms, right right? That really changed, you know that.

866
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 5: I mean it definitely since Wooling Grace kind of opened

867
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: the door. Now I just audition for whatever. There's no

868
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 5: I don't they There's a lot less pigeonholing of gay

869
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: actors now. I think we have a much bigger spectrum

870
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: of what we can play, and there's more gay characters

871
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 5: that are written in fun I got for a lot

872
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 5: of gay characters because there's a lot of women. There's

873
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: a lot of Latino characters now that are way more

874
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: complex than they used to be. Back in our day

875
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: of the nineties, you had you either like the Latin

876
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: lover as Latin lover or like a gang kid in

877
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 5: a drama, right right. That was like the two options.

878
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 5: And then it's changed, you know. I mean, I played

879
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: a gay Latino doctor who was a foreigner for like

880
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 5: ten years on a show. Just go like, oh the

881
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 5: moles thrown out. It's much more.

882
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: Free, you know. So that's great.

883
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, from a business standpoint, when you're married to

884
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 6: your manager, do you still have to give him fifteen percent?

885
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 5: It's worse than that because when we have bites, he goes.

886
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: You know, if we get divorced, I get six and

887
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: the ten. So it's actually like a deal because I

888
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: one hundred percent make and work for it. Where's my

889
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 5: appointment to such and such and I need this done

890
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 5: and yeah, one hundred percent.

891
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 4: How long have you guys been married?

892
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 5: Thirty well married legally since two thousand and eight, but

893
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 5: we've been up together over thirty years.

894
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: Wow, do you.

895
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 2: Have any kid?

896
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: He were you guys together when you did Boy Meets World?

897
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred Yeah, that's amazing. We don't have kids.

898
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of children. I like dogs. Okay,

899
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 5: there you go.

900
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well too well to do parents.

901
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 5: So yeah, no kid.

902
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 4: I at least appreciate that you know you don't like

903
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 4: kids and then didn't have them and decided after thank you.

904
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 5: Kids. Unlike the Pied Piper, kids like love.

905
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Me, will same with me.

906
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 5: They says that, I'm like, get away from your kids.

907
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 5: You're bothering me that same way, but they love me.

908
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: I love kids, and like, I love kids if they're cool,

909
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 5: like they're just little people to me. They're either little

910
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 5: people or they're little all jerks.

911
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so sometimes they're sometimes they're both.

912
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're both. I just don't need that in my life.

913
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I don't have that gene. So, but

914
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: I have lots of friends with kids, lots of gay

915
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 5: friends with kids. That's a whole other topic, the whole

916
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 5: subversion of gay people the kids anywhere.

917
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they yeah, they really halt your life for a

918
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: little bit. Yep, it's true. So on top of being

919
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: on the Closer and Major Crimes and Picard and Station

920
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: nineteen last year, you also somehow find time to be

921
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: a vital voice for so many important causes, most notably

922
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: for the LGBTQ plus community. And you've worked on three

923
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: presidential campaigns, spoken for anti bullying initiatives, You've taken up

924
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: environmental issues, and you were a celebrity surrogate for Obama's

925
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: twenty twelve campaigns. First, how do you have the time

926
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: to be so great?

927
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't have kids? He does have kids.

928
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: You're right, You've already answered that one. And then secondly,

929
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: what is it that makes you want to speak up

930
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: for things that are so important to you?

931
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 5: Well, we could add fourth campaign because I'm a surrogate

932
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: for a comma.

933
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: Like Kamala Harris.

934
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 5: Okay, great, So I think something happens for human beings.

935
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 5: I read this somewhere like the stages of being a human.

936
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: A good human is you get to a stage where

937
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 5: like you need to give back. Yeah, usually people have

938
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: a kid, like in their thirties or whatever. I think

939
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: at that stage, my giving back was like community, you know,

940
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 5: and yeah, make some sort of causes. That's how I like.

941
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: I actually love it just as much as being an actor.

942
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: It's really campaigning and working on like something that's bigger

943
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 5: than you. And yeah, money for kids that are getting

944
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: bullied or you know, just things that are seemingly unfair

945
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 5: in the world. Try to educate people. So for me,

946
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 5: like it's I love finding time for that because that's

947
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: really really a fun fulfilling aspect that sometimes acting doesn't

948
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 5: give me. Right, I think that the industry doesn't really

949
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: have an opportunity. I mean, you know everyone in a

950
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: while you do work as an actor that feels significant,

951
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: but that's kind of rare. But with with sort of

952
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 5: all the social stuff and politics, I understand it and

953
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 5: I speak it, you know what I mean, I get it.

954
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 5: So I feel like it's a talent I have that

955
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: I want to like use, for want of a better word,

956
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 5: for the good of all right, So it's exciting. It's

957
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 5: an exciting world, the world of politics. It has the

958
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: potential to change so many lives. I think that I

959
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 5: don't really understand me. A lot of people are so

960
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 5: turned off by politics, and yeah, we have a flawed

961
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 5: system and there's just a lot wrong with it, but

962
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 5: there's a lot that without it wouldn't get done right.

963
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm a real big believer in voting and

964
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 5: getting people to be engaged and not give up. You know,

965
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, we kind of

966
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 5: hold the keys to the car, so if we all

967
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 5: exercise that power, we would have a much I think

968
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: we think. I believe most people are pretty great. You know,

969
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: we all like got together and really decided what was important.

970
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: We would actually agree more than we think. You know.

971
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so impressed by your optimism that you that

972
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: you've been able to maintain it, because I feel like

973
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: when people go into politics or activism, you can so

974
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: quickly turn bitter, you know, or just feel like you're

975
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: always fighting and against something.

976
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: But it sounds like you're really.

977
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 5: There's a lot of disappointment and a lot of you

978
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 5: want to hit your head against the wall and you're

979
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: not understand this. Well, it just takes time, and you know,

980
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 5: it just it's we're really big country guys, you know,

981
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 5: I mean every state it's its own little country. And

982
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 5: I think it's hard to find common ground. But I've

983
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: seen good enough. I've seen there's more of us that

984
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 5: are on the same page than we think. It was.

985
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 6: It Churchill who said that democracy is the worst form

986
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 6: of government except for all the others.

987
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I think that's absolutely true.

988
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 6: So it's you know, it's you've got a lot of

989
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 6: people with a lot of opinions.

990
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 5: You know, it's completely what they want for themselves or

991
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 5: for their family or their tribe. I mean think were

992
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 5: super tribal and we're like oriented like gold, blue, red.

993
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, I mean, you know,

994
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: I lived through nine nine to eleven, right we all did.

995
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 5: Do you remember what that felt like? That was weird

996
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 5: couple feeling like, oh, that's what it feels like to

997
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: be a united country. Yeah, align for anyone, even if

998
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 5: I don't agree on my particular issues. Anyone that that

999
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 5: truly is striving to bring people together as opposed to

1000
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 5: politics of ripping people apart. Is an that now it's

1001
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: an actual like strategy, right.

1002
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: Sure, well 'or easier to control if we're in little groups.

1003
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: One hundred percent.

1004
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 6: So it's you know, it's it's unfortunate, but it's true.

1005
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 6: So it's you know, anything that brings us all together

1006
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 6: scares a lot of people, scares a lot of very

1007
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 6: important people.

1008
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, but.

1009
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 5: For me, it's actually like being an actor and being

1010
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 5: involved in these things, they all kind of work hand

1011
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 5: in hand, you know, because no matter how famous you

1012
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 5: are not, even if you're on TV a little you

1013
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 5: have really some kind of platform, even if it's a

1014
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: small one. So why not like use it for something

1015
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 5: that matters to you? You know?

1016
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. Well, I love that. Thank you for

1017
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: sharing that with us. We ask this question to a

1018
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 4: lot of our guests that we have forced to watch

1019
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 4: episodes of something they did from the nineties. Looking back,

1020
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: if you could tell young Jonathan anything now, what would

1021
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 4: it be?

1022
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 5: Well, that's good. I never thought I was attractive. I

1023
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 5: always felt really awkward and like not attractive. I'd be like,

1024
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: you look good, guy, you know you don't not You're

1025
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: not the elephant man. You grow up as a as

1026
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 5: an immigrant and as gay, and like hiding so much

1027
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 5: of what you are, you do not. You have a

1028
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: weird sense of how you present to the world. And

1029
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 5: even though you get affirmed as a young person, Oh

1030
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: you're you're gonna be the handsome whatever, you're this, you're that,

1031
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 5: you still go like, I am still not you know,

1032
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 5: what's your brother's name?

1033
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: Strong?

1034
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 5: You know you carried. I mean, I'm sure you all

1035
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 5: have had that experience as actors. Sure, yeah, like I'm

1036
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: not as pretty as this one, or I'm not as

1037
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: as tall as that guy. Yeah.

1038
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 6: Well it's because we're all actors are just by nature,

1039
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 6: we're horribly insecure people.

1040
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1041
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I.

1042
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Also think it plays into the thing you were talking about,

1043
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, right from the beginning, about the trope of

1044
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: like the Latin lover. You know, I know my wife

1045
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: she's a Latin actress, and the entire first ten years

1046
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: of her career, there were only three roles. She would

1047
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: play the maid, the prostitute, or the drug addict, and

1048
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: it was like that's it, you know, And then then

1049
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: everything changed in like ninety eight, when like j lo

1050
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Is suddenly like, oh we could have Latin actresses be leads.

1051
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: But also she's always felt this pressure, like constantly the

1052
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: roles would be the like vivacious, buxome, Latin, you know,

1053
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: goddess sort of thing.

1054
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: And she's like, that's not me.

1055
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm not physically that person.

1056
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: But she'd have to go out for these roles and

1057
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: she so she has this like crazy insecurity about her

1058
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: looks and it's like, no, you're beautiful, You're just not

1059
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: that trope, you know, but it was it was like

1060
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: it would actually hurt her career to not be that.

1061
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: So I'm impressed like the way that you when you

1062
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: talk about this audition for Boymans or the way that

1063
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: you kind of turned to that and made it more

1064
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: of about like his him owning him, like his his

1065
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: confidence being less about like being this sexy guy, more

1066
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: just as confident, like self loving. I think you said,

1067
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: like I love that that's like, and that spoke to me.

1068
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 5: You remember, he doesn't make the moves on any of

1069
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 5: the girls.

1070
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: No, No, he's.

1071
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 4: Actually he's like, you're not feeling Nunzio like I'm feeling.

1072
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 5: Very sweet in that way, datory right in any way.

1073
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: And I think they didn't write it that way originally.

1074
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I think that's because you brought.

1075
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: That and they were so much better. It's so much better.

1076
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: Well it disarms people, right someone. Yeah, and I think

1077
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: he needed to be that to get the guys on this,

1078
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: you know, yes, like I'm going to help these poor

1079
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 5: American boys.

1080
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Can you hate that guy?

1081
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: Great?

1082
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: Well, As your former dance partner, I would like to

1083
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: say that we are all so proud of you and

1084
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 4: your career and your activism and the impressive roles that

1085
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: you have gotten to play. And we thank you so

1086
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: much for your time. Thank thank you so much for

1087
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: being here with us.

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Speaker 5: We're talking to you guys you as well.

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Speaker 4: You thank you.

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Speaker 5: Take care, take care, bye bye.

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Speaker 4: Another perfect drive by guest star actor, A perfect guest

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Speaker 4: to have on this podcast. He's so interesting, such a

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Speaker 4: great conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we've talked about this a couple of times,

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Speaker 6: but it is so difficult to be a guest star

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Speaker 6: on it I now, especially an established show, and to

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Speaker 6: come in and you've got.

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Speaker 2: What three days maybe total, to.

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Speaker 6: Come in and kill it and be you know, you're

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Speaker 6: still remembered for a role you played for one week

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Speaker 6: twenty five or thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's just impressive, it really is. It blows my mind

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Speaker 2: that he was with his husband back then. I know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think about that. Just think about how much

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Speaker 2: our lives have changed.

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Speaker 1: Exactly the last year, and he's had the same partner

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Speaker 1: since that moment when he was playing amazing character.

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Speaker 2: That is like, that's just for me. Such a head

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Speaker 2: trip to think about it. So cool, cool, cool.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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Speaker 2: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 6: Podmeets World is nheart podcast producer and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 6: Wilfordell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman,

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Speaker 6: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 6: Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World

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Speaker 6: superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton

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Speaker 6: of Typhoon, and you can follow us on Instagram at

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Speaker 6: dot com.