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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is production of iHeart Radio and partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reising Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine of Native Lampid, where we give

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Speaker 1: you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Angela Raie, joined by my co host Bokari

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Speaker 1: Sellers and Andrew Gillham. We have a throwback today Atlanta

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Speaker 1: got a little taste last week for our live show

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Speaker 1: at City Winery. We are joined by an NLP fam

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Speaker 1: favorite whose second book drops on Tuesday, Love Me, a

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Speaker 1: Letter to Black Women in a Toxic Country, career and relationship.

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Speaker 2: None other than n l P O G.

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Speaker 1: Tiffany D. Cross.

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Speaker 3: Come on, come on, welcome y'all.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for welcoming me. Y'all be here to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit on.

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Speaker 3: Come on, it's good to see you. Says good to

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Speaker 3: see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were all going to be together.

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Speaker 4: Me and Angela are together, by the way, we're just

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Speaker 4: separate rooms.

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Speaker 5: So why are we not together? Andrew?

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Speaker 6: Because of you, car It appears there was a conflict

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Speaker 6: amongst one of us.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to IRMA high school tomorrow. I'll be there

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Speaker 7: tomorrow morning at high school.

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Speaker 5: But I love you.

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Speaker 1: Got to do with you being there for today because

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to take a connecting flight. Andrew he

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Speaker 1: too good to take a connected flight.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't.

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Speaker 7: That's absolutely not true. I live in Columbia, South Carolina.

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Speaker 7: Everything I do is connected.

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Speaker 1: So then you couldn't take that connected flight. Tip is

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Speaker 1: mad when they launched. Basically, it is impossible.

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Speaker 7: God has already have its alrighty, No, I cannot ruin

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Speaker 7: what God has already.

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Speaker 6: Ordained ruin to this because it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what show exactly, So what we

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Speaker 1: have today, Thank you God for having Andrew redirect us

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Speaker 1: to a more orderly step. A lot has happened in

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Speaker 1: a week, from an alleged assassination attempt at the White

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Speaker 1: House correspondence dinner where five shots are fired, none by

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Speaker 1: Cole Allen, but included a secret Service agent who was

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Speaker 1: shot by colleague, to Meg and Clay, to the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court stack in the deck against Democracy. We have a

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Speaker 1: full show for you today, and it's time for our

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Speaker 1: newest segment for your situational awareness because we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of news you can use. So up four points

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Speaker 1: from last year, a Fox News poll shows Democrats are

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Speaker 1: now favored brand Old Party on the economy for the

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Speaker 1: first time in ten years. Be what you got, No.

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Speaker 7: I thought this was fascinating because usually Dems get their

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Speaker 7: ass beat on issues of the economy and money. But

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Speaker 7: what we're seeing right now is the impact of one tariffs.

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Speaker 7: Then I asked the simple question, what happens when all

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Speaker 7: these tearists get found to be unconstitutional?

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Speaker 5: How does that money get redistributed?

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Speaker 7: And then we're having a war in Iran which is

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Speaker 7: drawing up prices, and prices have never really dropped sent

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Speaker 7: to the Biden administration, which is why apparently Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: got elected. So I think if if Democrats always and

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Speaker 7: Andrew probably would agree, have the ability to snap victory out.

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Speaker 5: The jaws of defeat.

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Speaker 7: So if we can't mess up a wet dream, then

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Speaker 7: it should be a good November.

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Speaker 3: Were dreams are messy just by definition.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, wow happening.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, that was not the kind of That was

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Speaker 5: not what it meant, Andrew.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just saying I had to follow it all

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Speaker 3: But I will say, you know, Fox News posts for

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Speaker 3: a lot that they get wrong. They're polling of all.

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Speaker 6: Frankly through the networks are generally pretty on in their

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Speaker 6: national polland I don't know what they do differently, uh,

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Speaker 6: because they sure as hell live throughout every other portion

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, speaking of four according to the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and Triple A, gas prices are the highest they

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Speaker 1: have been in four years. For this, I want to

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Speaker 1: throw to our resident walker, Tiffany, please tell people why

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Speaker 4: That is true, I walk everywhere. But you know, it's

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Speaker 4: But it's one of those frustrating things that we could

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Speaker 4: the recent never Trumpers who were like, oh, well, I

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Speaker 4: didn't know he was going to deport my husband, or

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Speaker 4: oh I didn't know gas prices were going to be

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Speaker 4: is hitting you in your pocket. You're not really my ally,

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Speaker 4: You're just you know, in the shit show with the

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Speaker 4: rest of us. But I do hope if you live

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Speaker 4: in a walk uple city that this encourages people to walk.

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Speaker 1: And as your resident bike lane hater, this is probably

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Speaker 1: So I'm not here for it now. Speaking of going rogue,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's rogue Department of Justice has secured a second

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Speaker 1: indictment against former FBI director James Comy after last year's

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Speaker 1: efforts fell flat. This time for this Instagram image of

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Speaker 1: seashells with the numbers eight, six, four to seven spelled out.

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Speaker 1: After a large uproar, Comy removed the post, thing he

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Speaker 1: was not aware that eighty six had a violent connotation.

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Speaker 8: Well, they're back this time about pick sure of seashells

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Speaker 8: on a North Carolina beach a year ago. And this

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Speaker 8: won't be the end of it. But nothing has changed

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Speaker 8: with me. I'm still innocent, I'm still not afraid, and

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Speaker 5: So let's go.

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Speaker 8: But it's really important that all of us remember, this

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Speaker 8: not how the Department of Justice is supposed to be.

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Speaker 8: And the good news is we get closer every day

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Speaker 8: to restoring those values. Keep the faith, well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we keeping the faith in. He said,

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Speaker 5: This is all his fault.

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Speaker 7: Sixteenth right before eleven days before the election, that that

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Speaker 7: Trump to be president. I mean, it's just funny how

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget her.

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Speaker 6: I said the same thing this morning, Bokary that press conference,

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Speaker 6: we will not indict Hillary Clinton, followed by what an

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Speaker 3: But you know what, regardless of Jim.

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Speaker 6: Comey being maybe not sort of the most sympathetic of

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Speaker 6: in arms about this prosecution. I wanted to show this

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Speaker 3: But Pete Zusa, Pete who was.

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Speaker 6: The President of Barack Obama's photographer during his time as president,

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Speaker 6: writes a former FBI director, James Comy, was just indicted

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Speaker 6: Department for a picture that he posted a year ago,

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Speaker 6: almost to the day of Seashells, outlined with a debit

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Speaker 6: numeric system, and that is being interpreted as a death

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Speaker 6: threat to the president of the United States. The use

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Speaker 6: is in y'all. I don't know if we took a

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Speaker 6: at least in some of my text message change with

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Speaker 6: the fellas, do you put something they disagree with or like,

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Speaker 6: that's a stupid.

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Speaker 3: Ideally on it?

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Speaker 1: Sean west All eighty.

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Speaker 3: Six constantly, you got it.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know how many people would interpret that

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Speaker 6: in a layman's term to mean kill Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: I mean Matt Gates posted eighty six some people or

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Speaker 7: with intents. I don't see it making it delight a day.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry to interrupt you, Angel.

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Speaker 1: Nope, it's good. I was gonna go to the next topic.

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Speaker 1: I'm eighty six in that topic. We move them right along.

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Speaker 1: That is, so your guy can't get enough of himself. Surprise, Surprise.

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Speaker 1: After kicking Frederick Douglass, an Ruby bridges off of the

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Speaker 1: commemorative coins associated with the two undred and fiftieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of this country's founding. At least in the minds of some,

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Speaker 1: you can now find your president's face in twenty five thousand,

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Speaker 1: two potentially thirty thousand special edition passports around July fourth.

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Speaker 1: May you all get your passports ahead of time so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to look at this right here? I

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Speaker 1: hope they let folks opt out. Y'all got anything on this?

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Speaker 7: Or is this image the next president cancels? I want

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Speaker 7: the the next president to cancel it.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Jesus quest.

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Speaker 3: Canceled the orders. Canceled the orders got you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing. I would just say that

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Speaker 1: not special edition is him signing off on the money.

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Speaker 1: But you know, stranger things have happened. So speaking of

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Speaker 1: nasty work and disgusting but not surprising news, an old

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Speaker 1: clip is now circulating of Pete Hagsath saying he has

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Speaker 1: not washed his hands in many moons. Let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 9: I told you my twenty nineteen resolution is to say

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Speaker 9: things on air that I say off air.

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Speaker 7: I don't think I've washed my hands for ten years.

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Speaker 3: Really don't. I don't really wash my hands.

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Speaker 6: Tell me no, no, no, I inoculate myself.

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Speaker 2: Journals are not a real thing.

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Speaker 3: I can't see them.

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Speaker 1: Spoken like a true COVID denier. This is disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, we go A long time ago. I stopped

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Speaker 3: shaking men who look like him's hands. Just too many

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Speaker 6: Too many times in the airport. I'm sorry, but usually

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Speaker 1: The problem they have no background in investigating electoral fraud.

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Speaker 1: I think to your point tip it is really important.

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Speaker 6: Well, I know you're going to continue to thread the

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Speaker 6: It's one that they've been using in Republican and in

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Speaker 6: Give us your list of registered voters and your voter

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Speaker 1: To this point, And you guys know we've talked about

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Speaker 7: the racial minority can still go to the polls and

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Speaker 7: cast a ballot, but given the states racially polarized voting,

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Speaker 7: they cannot hope in the way of the States white

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Speaker 7: citizens can to elect a person whom they think will

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Speaker 7: represent their interests. Their votes matters, their votes matter less

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Speaker 7: than others. Do they translate into less political voice? Or

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Speaker 7: is the court put it recently, the cracking makes a

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Speaker 7: minority vote unequal to a vote by a non minority voter.

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Speaker 5: That's Allen v. Milligan. And because that is so, Oh,

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Speaker 5: that's it, Because that is so.

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Speaker 1: Congress is the Voting Rights Congress, in the Voting Rights

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Speaker 1: Act made the practice of legal We can pull the rest.

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Speaker 1: The point here is that they're trying to help the viewer.

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Speaker 1: You can pull this down, Nick and put up the

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Speaker 1: map from Bakari. The point here is that the Court,

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Speaker 1: through the justices with some sense Elena Kagan Sonya Sonomayor

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Speaker 1: and Katanji Brown Jackson, is trying to say that what

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Speaker 1: the Court is arguing in the majority opinion is actually

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Speaker 1: not what's happening here. They're doing the very thing that

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Speaker 1: they're saying they're not doing. They're trying to make Section

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Speaker 1: two more restrictive, more difficult. Now, the standard is that

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Speaker 1: you have to prove that the state was intentionally racially

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Speaker 1: discriminating against the group of people in order for it

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Speaker 1: to be illegal by Section two standards. That is an

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Speaker 1: impossible standard. But card just a moment ago, you were

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Speaker 1: talking about how hard it is to prove intent. It

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Speaker 1: is like we basically have to find somebody's email saying

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Speaker 1: let's get these niggas, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: so hard to prove that. And so that is why

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Speaker 1: I thought it was important for our audience to learn,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe through a couple of paragraphs, but what

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Speaker 1: cra which is not the same thing as a packing.

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Speaker 1: It's actually the exact opposite. It's suggesting that these people

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Speaker 1: deserve to represent someone who represents their interests. Whether or

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Speaker 1: not they happen to be black or not, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But they're saying in the alternative, the court is saying,

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Speaker 1: now you all cannot have a cohesive voice if you

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Speaker 1: can't find your representation. If you can't find your way

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Speaker 1: to be seen in policy or otherwise by bonding with

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Speaker 1: these six pies instead of your full circle. That's on you, bro,

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Speaker 1: That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 6: And when you combine that Angela with the fact that

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Speaker 6: the court has already said that it's legal to create

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Speaker 6: districts for political purposes, so for if you can create

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Speaker 6: a district so that a Republican can win in they

486
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Speaker 6: basically say in this decision that if you can explain

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Speaker 6: them breaking up black people for the purposes of creating

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Speaker 6: a Republican seat, that is okay. It is okay to

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Speaker 6: break black folks up thirty percent by the way of

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Speaker 6: louis Susiana's a community being black and not having a

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Speaker 6: single seat in the United States Congresses where they want

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Speaker 6: to go.

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Speaker 3: That would be a.

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Speaker 6: Black person representing the interest of thirty percent of the state.

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Speaker 6: The courts has said, if you can give an explanation

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Speaker 6: that the reason the legislature did this was to get

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Speaker 6: another Republican.

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Speaker 3: Seat, then that is okay.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you consider that black folks buy and large

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Speaker 6: in the state of Louisiana, and quite frankly all over

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Speaker 6: the country vote overwhelmingly Democratic, then they can do it

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Speaker 6: all day long and broad daylight, splitting us up and

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Speaker 6: creating Republican districts, because all they have to say is, well,

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Speaker 6: the court, the highest court says, so we can create

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Speaker 6: political districts, districts that give power to one party over another.

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Speaker 5: Y'all.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you right now.

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Speaker 6: I mean this is Section two is still on the books,

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Speaker 6: but it's Section two in name only. There will be

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Speaker 6: no power behind that law and those important civil rights acts,

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Speaker 6: legislations that were passed so many decades back.

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Speaker 3: But we're so over is.

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Speaker 6: I think we're going to see before the midterm elections,

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Speaker 6: states all across the country, particularly southern states, doing a

515
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Speaker 6: mid to senial resensusing and a recounting and a redistricting

516
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Speaker 6: model that we've already seen happen kicked off by Texas,

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Speaker 6: and they're going to take the remaining black seats and

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Speaker 6: follow Louisiana's model and start breaking apart these congressional districts,

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Speaker 6: dividing thirty percent to that white district, thirty percent to

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Speaker 6: another white district, thirty percent to another white district, and

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Speaker 6: ten percent to that one. And unfortunately, that's going to

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Speaker 6: be what we are going to be fighting, and I'll

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Speaker 6: tell you, we ought to take a marker right now,

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Speaker 6: y'all how many black members are there of the CBC,

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Speaker 6: and then count that number after the next election and

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Speaker 6: see what we got.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we have.

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Speaker 3: They're coming for it all and this court creates it.

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Speaker 1: We had Jane Nelson on a Native lampid shout out

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Speaker 1: to tiff who reminded us of this important moment. I

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Speaker 1: want to play this clip and also oral arguments, a

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Speaker 1: conversation oral arguments between Justice Jackson and Jane Nelson as well.

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Speaker 1: That's real the.

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Speaker 10: Clip, and in fact, what's most disturbing, which I'm sorry

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Speaker 10: I didn't get a chance to really teep out in

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Speaker 10: the argument, is that they actually admit in their breath

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Speaker 10: that there may you know, it may be that we

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Speaker 10: never get rid.

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Speaker 1: Of racially polarized body.

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Speaker 11: It may be that we never end residential segregation. And

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Speaker 11: so that means that Louisiana is going to have to

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Speaker 11: comply with this law forever. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 11: If racism continues to plague our society and make our

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Speaker 11: electoral processes and balance it unfair, You're right, you are

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Speaker 11: going to have to continue to follow the law and

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Speaker 11: make sure that black people aren't always on the weasion

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Speaker 11: side of the stick. And what you should be saying

548
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Speaker 11: is we're going to do everything we can to end

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Speaker 11: these factors that make our electoral process unequal and unfair

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Speaker 11: and unbalanced, as opposed to saying, you know, whining about

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Speaker 11: the fact that you might have to continue to comply

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Speaker 11: with the law. So that to me was the most

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Speaker 11: damning part of their argument and should give the court

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Speaker 11: a lot of pause and disturb the court that they're

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Speaker 11: saying basically, this could go on forever and we wouldn't

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Speaker 11: have to do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: That is the part. I'm glad you got to say

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Speaker 1: it here breaking news, y'all. And then can we run

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Speaker 1: the clip from the court, And I want to tip

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Speaker 1: to a that's just the orals.

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Speaker 9: Else I guess I wonder if it would be helpful

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Speaker 9: at least as I'm thinking about it, because I think

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Speaker 9: this is a very important question.

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Speaker 2: To understand.

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Speaker 9: I think that you're saying that Section two is not

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Speaker 9: a remedy in and of itself, it is the mechanism

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Speaker 9: by which the law determines whether a remedy is necessary.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct.

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Speaker 9: So it's a law that is just encouraging or requiring

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Speaker 9: a check in. It's like a tool, it's like a

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Speaker 9: tape measure that we're looking as to whether or not

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Speaker 9: certain circumstances exist. And those circumstances that Congress is worried

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Speaker 9: about is unequal access to electoral opportunity.

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Speaker 2: And Section two tells.

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Speaker 9: You we have to look for those circumstances and then

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Speaker 9: the court says, yep, they exist in this situation under

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Speaker 9: Section two, and so now a remedy is required. And

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Speaker 9: in our case law, we then say, okay, State, it's

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Speaker 9: up to you to figure out what that remedy will be.

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Speaker 9: And maybe that remedy involves race consciousness, maybe it doesn't, whatever,

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Speaker 9: But Section two itself is just the measure by which

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Speaker 9: we determine that a remedy is required.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct. So that's why it doesn't need a

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Speaker 2: time limit, because it's.

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Speaker 9: Not doing any work other than just pointing us to

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Speaker 9: the direction of where we might need to do something

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Speaker 9: that's right.

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Speaker 12: And its usage becomes less and less as we see

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Speaker 12: racially polarized voting and residential segregation decreasing. The Cat's Amikas

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Speaker 12: brief in this case shows that in the past decade,

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Speaker 12: Section two cases have decreased by fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: Because the plaintiffs can't make the showing.

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Speaker 9: And it's a pretty there, it's a pretty significant showing

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Speaker 9: to establish that unequal opportunity of electoral processes is happening

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Speaker 9: in a situation that's correct.

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Speaker 1: So TIF I thought that this was would be a

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Speaker 1: good point for you to weigh in here, because what

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Speaker 1: they're saying is it's already a tough standard, it's already

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Speaker 1: sky high. Now they make it impossible so for the

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Speaker 1: people who are listening and not watching.

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Speaker 4: And that was of course the Supreme Court Justice kN

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Speaker 4: Tanji Brown Jackson in conversation with dan I Nelson, and

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Speaker 4: I think you know what she said was, I think

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Speaker 4: it's important context for the audience that Section two is

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Speaker 4: interpreted to not only allow or suggest, as Justice KBJ

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Speaker 4: was saying, but sometimes it demanded the use of race

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Speaker 4: conscious data in redistricting to protect the actual power. So

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Speaker 4: to see that gone, I think sometimes when people hear

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Speaker 4: you talk about voting rights, their eyes just kind of

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Speaker 4: glaze over. Maybe not the traditional viewers and listeners who

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Speaker 4: tune into Native land, but I think there are so

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Speaker 4: many people and so in talking about it, I think

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Speaker 4: it's so important to broaden the context and make it

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Speaker 4: comprehensive for folks who, you know, because we've so for

615
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Speaker 4: so long been rightfully been beating the drum about voting rights,

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Speaker 4: voting rights, voting rights. But to make it make sense,

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Speaker 4: to make it like slap the average person across the

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Speaker 4: face with this is what's happening. I think it's helpful

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Speaker 4: to look at it through the lens of how this

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Speaker 4: impacts our civil rights as a society. And Trump's entire

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Speaker 4: political agenda is it rests on the belief that white

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Speaker 4: people have become the real victims of discrimination here in America,

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Speaker 4: and that is really what is at the center of

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Speaker 4: voting rights. It is eliminating who has an actual say

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Speaker 4: in the shape and the direct of this country. So

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Speaker 4: even if you're one of those people that's like, oh

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Speaker 4: sometimes I vote, sometimes I don't, you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: really pay attention to, you know, the the minutia of

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Speaker 4: voting rights, and there's always something because there have been

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Speaker 4: over you know, two hundred laws at the state and

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Speaker 4: state legislatures across the country for decades. Now, what this

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Speaker 4: impacts is our civil rights. If you remember the eeo C.

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Speaker 4: And again, what civil rights are born out of what

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Speaker 4: black people fought for in this country, Every civil rights

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Speaker 4: has come on the backs of what black people fought for.

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Speaker 4: And so it's really our offspring that we're watching die

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Speaker 4: as the parents of the civil rights in this country.

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Speaker 4: And so if you guys remember earlier this year, maybe

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Speaker 4: it was last year, after Trump got elected.

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Speaker 1: The eeo C, this is the Equal.

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Speaker 4: Employment Opportunity Commission put.

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Speaker 1: Out a video.

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Speaker 4: Are you a white male who has a experienced discrimination?

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Speaker 4: And if so, then holler at us because you may

645
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Speaker 4: have money to claim to recover. If you remember, Trump

646
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Speaker 4: really tapped into the hatred towards the BLM movement, and

647
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Speaker 4: he was said, verbatim, there is an anti anti there's

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Speaker 4: a definite anti white sentiment in the country. With the

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Speaker 4: hours of taking office, he ordered the dismantling of every

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Speaker 4: DEI initiative that had been helpful in addressing a lot

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Speaker 4: of the systemic racist policies against minorities and women. If

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Speaker 4: you look at what's happening as a Department of Education,

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Speaker 4: all civil rights cases are pretty much halted or slowed

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Speaker 4: down to the point of being halted. So he's and

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Speaker 4: it's not only here in America. I mean, he's kind

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Speaker 4: of cast hisself himself as the protector of white people

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Speaker 4: right here, domestically and abroad. So when you start to

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Speaker 4: look at these things like that, I hope that gives

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Speaker 4: some people a frightening awakening because we are in and

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Speaker 4: you guys will disagree, maybe you're correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 4: But I just think we're in for a long night,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not really sure what we can do about it.

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Speaker 4: It feels like, as black people were standing in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the storm that we tried to warn people

665
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Speaker 4: it's coming. It's gonna be bad. It's coming. This storm

666
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Speaker 4: will not just swallow us, it's gonna swallow you, you, you, you, you,

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Speaker 4: and you, And I'm not sure what we can do

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Speaker 4: to stop it. So it just feels like this is

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Speaker 4: a time to build shelter for ourselves, embrace for the onslaught,

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Speaker 4: because this ruling is a sign that the onslaught is

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Speaker 4: inevitably comming.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree with that.

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Speaker 7: I believe we're in that. I'm sorry, I believe we're

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Speaker 7: in a nader But I've been reading and it's not

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Speaker 7: a but it's a period, right, So we're in that

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Speaker 7: period of darkness. I do want people to understand that

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Speaker 7: the only districts that are immediately affected by this are

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Speaker 7: the Louisiana district that Angela talked about that's immediately struck down.

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Speaker 7: In Alabama two, which was struck down, but they actually

680
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Speaker 7: reaffirmed the law that was passed in Alabama, meaning that

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Speaker 7: they can't redistrict Alabama two. I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 7: know if that's Shamari or not, but they can't redistrict

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Speaker 7: that until until twenty thirty. Georgia Alabama Mississippi, not Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Arkansas,

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Speaker 7: believer is of the other state. You can't redraw those

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Speaker 7: districts before twenty twenty six because of timing, and most

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Speaker 7: of those districts are compact anyway, So a lot of

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Speaker 7: this actually went to the compactness of the district. And

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Speaker 7: if you look at the district in Louisiana, it looks

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Speaker 7: like a sock almost and se six is a little

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Speaker 7: strange anyway. So I say all that to say that

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Speaker 7: there's still the elections in twenty twenty six become that

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Speaker 7: much more important to have a democratic majority in the House.

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Speaker 7: That may be able to fend off some things. The

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Speaker 7: only the only downside to our vote count in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six, or having more seats in the majority in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, is the fact that Louisiana, even with

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Speaker 7: their timing, can redraw their map immediately.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 1: I just have one quick flag, Bokard, based on what

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Speaker 1: you said. Last Thursday, Tate Reeves, the governor of Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: put out a statement saying under his constitutional authority, he

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Speaker 1: was calling for a special session legislative session to redraw

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Speaker 1: in Mississippi. So that's the only flag I have, really, I.

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Speaker 6: Was just going to say that those are state based

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Speaker 6: states you're identifying, Angela. Those are all state based, and

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Speaker 6: it varies depending upon what state you're in. For instance,

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Speaker 6: right now where I sit, three of us sit in

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Speaker 6: the state of Florida. Right now this week, as we

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Speaker 6: are speaking, they are preparing to redraw districts for the

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Speaker 6: purposes of impacting the election in twenty twenty six. That

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Speaker 6: exists not just in I would normally just be worried

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Speaker 6: about southern states, but given the broad reach of this decision,

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Speaker 6: this is not just Louisiana specific. The philosophy applied by

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Speaker 6: the justices here applies can be applied to any creation

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Speaker 6: of a district anywhere in the country. And I agree

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Speaker 6: with the analysis offered by Tiffany, especially the civil rights implications,

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Speaker 6: but also we should just be overwhelmingly clear that it

718
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Speaker 6: impacts not just civil rights but everything. So when money

719
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Speaker 6: comes down based off of the population of black folks

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Speaker 6: or people who are impoverished, or economic development money, and

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Speaker 6: they're looking at the census of what percentage of black

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Speaker 6: people are in this district and how that money then

723
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Speaker 6: comes down and gets distributed, all of that gets impacted

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Speaker 6: in this kind of decision making. And y'all, if you've

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Speaker 6: ever had a white elected official who is a Democrat

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Speaker 6: represent you as a black person in your community, but

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Speaker 6: you've had to go and sit down and negotiate with

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Speaker 6: that democratic, white elected official so they understood what institutional

729
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Speaker 6: racism was, or you had to break down and explain

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Speaker 6: to them black explain to them what it means that

731
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Speaker 6: if you pass that LAHA impacts new and upcoming black

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Speaker 6: and brown businesses in their community. You know that it

733
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Speaker 6: isn't just a Democrat or Republican thing. This is a

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Speaker 6: lived experience thing. So if you've lived all your life

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Speaker 6: and white skin, with white privilege and every system created

736
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Speaker 6: catering to you, then it's impossible without deep study and

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Speaker 6: understanding for you to know how it is my walk

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Speaker 6: in this life is. That's why we defend so many

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Speaker 6: black representatives being able to represent us in places of power,

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Speaker 6: because the lived experience matters, and that's what we lose.

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Speaker 1: Here absolutely, And with that we know we will have

742
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Speaker 1: an ongoing conversation about voting rights and democracy in this country.

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Speaker 1: They're all at risk, and of course, with the election

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Speaker 1: just around the corner, we're going to continue that. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go to a viewer question and get

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Speaker 1: to the moment all we have all been waiting for

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Speaker 1: talking about Tis book. Let's roll this question from doctor

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Speaker 1: when Williams.

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Speaker 14: Hey there, Native Lampard, how are you. I am, Doctor

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Speaker 14: Wendy Williams. I'm just coming off of listening to episode

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Speaker 14: one twenty eight, where you all were focusing on mental

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Speaker 14: health in our community, the violence against black women, the

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Speaker 14: accountability between black men and black women, and the touches

754
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Speaker 14: of serious conversations that we need to have. I'm a

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Speaker 14: psychologist and I'm currently the president of the American Psychological Association.

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Speaker 14: And I guess one of the things I've really been

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Speaker 14: appreciating about your work generally. I've this is my first

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Speaker 14: time making a video, but I've been listening since episode

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Speaker 14: number one. What I've been appreciating of late is the attention,

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Speaker 14: the serious attention to mental health. Angela a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 14: how to call the action was she just asked folks

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Speaker 14: to really think about their care for the mental health

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Speaker 14: and the supports that they will need. And you know,

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Speaker 14: we're all going through a lot, our communities hit in

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Speaker 14: a particular way, and so I've just appreciated who you

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Speaker 14: all are and have been and continue to be for

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Speaker 14: our community around mental health. If there's anything I ever

768
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Speaker 14: can do, by all means, please always just reach out.

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Speaker 14: I'm here. I'm happy to do so. Our community needs

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Speaker 14: real tangible conversations about our mental health and uplifting that.

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Speaker 14: I really appreciated the way that Gary Chambers gave of

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Speaker 14: himself in this space and just so happy to be

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Speaker 14: in this community with you all. So thank you every

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Speaker 14: week for welcoming us all home and creating a home

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Speaker 14: space for us.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Doctor Williams Lover a question.

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Speaker 1: That we should absolutely have you on, Doctor Williams. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much.

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Speaker 3: Angela.

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Speaker 6: Just reflecting on last week's conversation, I just wanted to

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Speaker 6: I was quite quiet during the episode, and I just

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Speaker 6: got to tell you Gary also impacted me in an

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Speaker 6: overwhelming way. Was really a loss for words, which I

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Speaker 6: know I'm never usually lost for those, but it was

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Speaker 6: really for me a time of city and I hope

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Speaker 6: for a lot of us and just listening and trying

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Speaker 6: to listen hard to what was being said and then

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Speaker 6: identifying ourselves and where we check in along that, along

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Speaker 6: that paradigm, it was overwhelmingly emotional.

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Speaker 3: For me.

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Speaker 6: I felt conflicted in some ways, I felt pushed in

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Speaker 6: some ways, and I just I hope that our listeners

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Speaker 6: got the full breath of the experience. We were just

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Speaker 6: on the iceberg, you know, the tip of this iceberg.

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Speaker 6: There's so much that lay beneath. Tiffany, your book also

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Speaker 6: aroused in me a lot of that, and I know

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Speaker 6: we're going to get to it, but I just want

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Speaker 6: to double down on her compliment, on her comment around

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Speaker 6: us needing to really continue to have this ever evolving

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Speaker 6: conversation about our health, our mental health and a state

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Speaker 6: of our mental health from any one point in time

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Speaker 6: in between. So just powerful, powerful, powerful. I felt as

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Speaker 6: a host listening in. I felt more like a guest

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Speaker 6: in it. And it was transformational.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that, Andrews. So. On Tuesday, May fifth,

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Speaker 1: nfp OG Tiffany D. Cross as a book coming out

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Speaker 1: to the masses, Love Me, a letter to Black women

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Speaker 1: in a toxic country, career and relationship. Look at that

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Speaker 1: beautiful book cover. We want you all to make sure

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Speaker 1: if you haven't ordered it yet, go and order it now,

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Speaker 1: tip would say, from a smaller bookstore, especially a black

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Speaker 1: owned bookstore, just so y'all know. Pro tip if you

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Speaker 1: order from an independent bookstore and there are multiple and

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Speaker 1: lots of different communities and cities around the country, that

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Speaker 1: helps folks to get on the New York Times bestsellers list,

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Speaker 1: and then we know that's where she belongs. So Tip,

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Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about this book. What

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Speaker 1: inspired it, How is the journey going. You're on the

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Speaker 1: other side of writing now, how do you feel? I

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Speaker 1: feel great? You're all in the book.

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Speaker 4: I write in the book about Angela Bakari and Andrew

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Speaker 4: It is an Exposelet's tell all of the behind the

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Speaker 4: scenes happens at NLP.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I feel really good.

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Speaker 1: You know, this was years in the.

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Speaker 4: Making, and it definitely touches on a lot of the

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Speaker 4: topics that we talked about over the years on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: It was helpful because a lot of times I'd be

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Speaker 4: doing research for something in the book and it would

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Speaker 4: be something we would talk about on the show, which

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Speaker 4: was awesome and a privilege to do. But essentially, just

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Speaker 4: so folks know, and again, please buy from a black

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Speaker 4: owned or.

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Speaker 1: Independent book store.

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Speaker 4: They don't all report to the New York Times, so

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Speaker 4: ask if they're New York Times reporting. But I want

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Speaker 4: people to have the hard copy that you guys saw,

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Speaker 4: because this cover is designed to be decoration in your house.

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Speaker 4: I was very intentional. I was involved in every part

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Speaker 4: of the book. But I wrote the book in three

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Speaker 4: sections Our Labor, where I talk about Black women pouring

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Speaker 4: love into our careers, but our careers are not pouring

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Speaker 4: love back into us, especially in this anti DEI environment,

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Speaker 4: and we're facing a very hostile workforce that's unkind to us,

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Speaker 4: openly unkind to us, courage to be openly unkind to us.

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Speaker 4: I write Our Land because navigating this country, pouring love

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Speaker 4: into this country, and we know this country damn sharing

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Speaker 4: pooring love back into us and our love. You know,

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Speaker 4: we pour love into our counterparts. If you're a heterosexual

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Speaker 4: woman and a relationship or desiring of a relationship, we

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Speaker 4: pour love into our counterparts. And I won't say that

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Speaker 4: black men don't love us back, because I don't believe that,

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Speaker 4: but we don't always feel that love back. And so

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Speaker 4: I wanted to just talk about all these things.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I write about what happened with my show getting canceled,

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Speaker 4: and my heart was broken at that time, and that

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Speaker 4: just happened to be the time where the election was

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Speaker 4: happening and the country just it became a socially acceptable

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Speaker 4: thing to say few black women, and my heart was breaking.

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Speaker 4: And then I was dating someone and that situation was ending,

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Speaker 4: and my heart was breaking, and I was talking to

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Speaker 4: our friend Van Newkirk at The Atlantic and he's like,

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Speaker 4: you sound like every black woman I know. And so

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Speaker 4: that is when I really just put my focus into

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Speaker 4: writing the book.

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Speaker 1: And it has been.

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Speaker 4: A wonderful journey through my own mental health, but also

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Speaker 4: an examination of what's happening with black women, a snapshot

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Speaker 4: of this American rot that is happening as black women

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00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: have tried to save it, and this isn't I want

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Speaker 4: to be really clear, this is not a book, and

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Speaker 4: Andrew love your thoughts, but this is not a book

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Speaker 4: that is bashing anybody, but something that just acknowledges what

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Speaker 4: we're experiencing and also acknowledges that our men who we

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Speaker 4: are trying to love are carrying their own pain too.

878
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Speaker 4: And I have to say with you know, because so

879
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: many people are talking about this, with Megan the Stallion

880
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: and Klay Thompson, I think that resonate question. Never mind

881
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: Angela has We're going to go to a host question

882
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: right now from Angela Rye, who you can find in

883
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 4: chapter three, four and five. Angela, Yes, I'm taking creak.

884
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Well, Tim, you just said that we don't all always

885
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: feel that love pour back into us. And you do

886
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: a masterful job in the book talking through like your

887
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: love affair with and for journalism, the heartbreak of being

888
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: treated differently, even talking about like a boss throwing money

889
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: at you across the table, which I wanted to come

890
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: to the page and beat that home. But then a

891
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: black woman was your salvation. Tracy Webb, who was the

892
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: car ride to work that you know you needed, so

893
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: shout out to every Tracy web out there. But you're

894
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: now there's a loosely related media collective heartbreak happening right

895
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: now and it has to do with the PBS logo

896
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: otherwise known as Clayton. So for those of you who

897
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, they said, he looked just liked the

898
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: PBS logo, and he turned to the side. He do

899
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of look like the PBS logo. So I want

900
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: to not tip if you have any words for Meg

901
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: on the other side of your own heartbreak in the

902
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: various ways they've come through this country's betrayal through you know,

903
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: a career that you love and are so deeply passionate about.

904
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: We certainly saw it every week on NLP journalism, kind

905
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: of feeling like it turned its back on you. And then,

906
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: of course in your own love relationships. What words of

907
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: affirmation and encouragement do you have for Meg right now?

908
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: And then can you say something to the brothers who

909
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: feel under attack when we're not even talking to y'all,

910
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: we talking to the PBS lowo, can you say some

911
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: of them too, so they don't you know, act like

912
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: a dog holler, sorry, not a dog tift a horse,

913
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: let's say a horse. Yes.

914
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: Well, I first want to say Tracy Webb was one

915
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: of the people who saved me in my career. And

916
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 4: you can read the story and this isn't a memoir.

917
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: This is just you know, pieces of my story, but

918
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: in the larger context of black women. But I just

919
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: want to say to you Angela, like you have been

920
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: a Tracy Web to so many people, but also in

921
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: my life when I was going through this and this

922
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: is you know, related to Meg because the first time

923
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: I heard the term a journey home to yourself, it

924
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: was you saying it to me and we were kind

925
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 4: of arguing about the guy I was dating at the time,

926
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: and you were like, you know, on your journey home

927
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: to yourself, I hope you realize and you like went

928
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: through a bunch of things. And I think that is

929
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: probably the best advice because we look at Megan, you know,

930
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: at a certain age. I'm forty seven years old, and

931
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: so I look at younger women who are like thirty,

932
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 4: and I just think, oh, you know, there's a knowing

933
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: at this age. There's a wisdom, a weathering at this age.

934
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: And I look at her in her heartbreak and it's

935
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 4: a journey that helps you seek the source of self,

936
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: and there is a self love that has to be developed.

937
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: And I hate seeing all these comments because I talk

938
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: about this too, how women can be awful to other women.

939
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 4: And it's like, girl, you were posting them all over

940
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: social media, and you know, I knew it wouldn't go

941
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: last once you started doing that, As if posting a

942
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 4: picture of this man or videos of this man somehow

943
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: invited her own heartbreak, you know, like instead of just

944
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: covering her with love. But I would say that, you know,

945
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: love is still in her life. Improbable for her. She

946
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: lost her mother and so I imagine she connected with

947
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: his family and there's a brokenness there that sometimes we

948
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: seek outside ourselves to fill ourselves up. It is our

949
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: natural way of being. It's our highest honor to love

950
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: another human being, to be giving of our body and

951
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: spirit to another person, a man. And when men mangle

952
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: that and hurt that and take that, I know in

953
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: my own life it's like, and I actually want to

954
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts on this too, Angeline. I want to

955
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: hear Bakari and Andrew too as men here. But I

956
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: felt like in my life there was a container the

957
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: container of love, and the faucet was pouring into that

958
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: container and there was no drain, so it was overflowing.

959
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: Because as black women, we don't just have a desire.

960
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: To be loved.

961
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: We have a desire to love, and so when we

962
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: find someone to pour that into, we are overflowing. And

963
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 4: then over time, when the choices we make or just

964
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: the weathering of our love, that that spict starts to

965
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 4: turn off slowly, and then it starts to drip. And

966
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 4: as we're hurt, there's a drain that develops. These holes

967
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 4: start to draink and the love that we have so

968
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: fulla that were born overflowing. It starts to pour out.

969
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: And that's you know, through trauma and childhood, just life,

970
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 4: you know, breakups, heartache, and I felt that love emptying

971
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 4: out from myself and so I had to find a

972
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: way to plug those holes and get that faucet turn

973
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 4: back on for myself. And I hope that Megan has

974
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: a beautiful journey as that faucet. I wish she could

975
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 4: have the same conversation we had Angela, where you tell

976
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: her on your journey home to yourself, this is what

977
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 4: I would love to see for you. But just to

978
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: know that people are wrapping their arms around her, and

979
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: it doesn't it's not of, you know, some sort of

980
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: referendum on you know, all black men. There are hundreds

981
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 4: of thousands, millions of black men loving on black women

982
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: every day. But we do need to be honest about

983
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: men hurt us sometimes. Now I don't mean like physically violent,

984
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 4: that's a hub another conversation. Emotionally we feel hurt, and

985
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 4: emotionally we feel drained carrying our pain and other men's

986
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 4: pain too.

987
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 5: What's hopeful in the book, Tiff?

988
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: What do you?

989
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: How do you get people hope? And then why would I?

990
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 5: And then why would have? Why would have?

991
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 7: What should we tell our brothers a reason for them

992
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 7: to pick up the book in terms of something they

993
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 7: can garner from it?

994
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope men buy the book because I do

995
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 4: think it gives great insight into what black women are

996
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: going through. And y'all have mamas and sisters and cousins

997
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: and daughters and girlfriends and wives, and I think it

998
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: does strike a balance with hey, here's how we feel.

999
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: And I, you know, I hope it offers insight that

1000
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 4: you won't get anywhere else, because I do say the

1001
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 4: quiet parts out loud.

1002
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I say those dark.

1003
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: Thoughts that I have out loud that women might be

1004
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: afraid to say at brunch tables with each other. I

1005
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: try to share that. And the hope is giving ourselves

1006
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 4: something to believe in. And we kind of talked about

1007
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: this in Atlanta, Bakari on stage. It's like before when

1008
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 4: we talk about black women, particularly in politics, were talked

1009
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: about as a political commodity. So before you ask me

1010
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 4: to go out here and save America, like, I need

1011
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: you to realize, I'm a whole human being right here

1012
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: with a beating and broken heart, and my heart is

1013
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 4: breaking for a lot of reasons. So before I can

1014
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: get back out here and save something that hasn't really

1015
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: served me in a righteous way given what I poured

1016
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 4: into this place, I need to heal myself. And I

1017
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: need everybody to give us a second to read. Don't

1018
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 4: mistake our out of office, Like we're not out here

1019
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 4: doing shit and moving strategically. But I need to, for

1020
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: a second give myself something to believe in. So to me,

1021
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: that's the hopeful part. And I you know, I'm very clear,

1022
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 4: I don't have the answers figured out, but this is

1023
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: what the journey for me looks like and I'm not

1024
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: telling people what to think, but I'm offering up some

1025
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: things for people to think about.

1026
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: You know.

1027
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 6: One, I just want to say thank you, Tiffany, because

1028
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 6: you were so naked and raw in your writing. And

1029
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 6: how I know that is because of how vividly you wrote,

1030
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 6: extremely detailed that you know, I was only playing with

1031
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 6: you from Miami. I was, you know, you and your

1032
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 6: brother playing with you know, you're playing with Barbie and

1033
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: he steals you can you know, to have you as

1034
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 6: you describe, you know, our brother Michael's you know, family home,

1035
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 6: and uh, you know I was. I was right there

1036
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 6: rocking with y'all to Bakari's question around men because I

1037
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 6: had a similar What I wanted to hear what your

1038
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 6: pitch might be since it's openly a love letter to women,

1039
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 6: is that I found myself mapping my actions, my behavior

1040
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 6: may be my thoughts along with Gray. And I don't

1041
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 6: like Gray, but but great, Okay, but Gray's in the book.

1042
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 6: And but I also like that he's Gray because and

1043
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 6: you say.

1044
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: This, there's a pseudonym, it is not the person's real name.

1045
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 6: Is great because, as Tiffany says in the book, it's

1046
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 6: because of how she's made to feel.

1047
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 3: Huh, what'd you say? Okay, okay, okay. All I wanted

1048
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: to say is I like that.

1049
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 6: It's great because we can fill in the dot that's

1050
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 6: me on occasion, that was me on occasion. This is

1051
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 6: how I might conduct myself differently now that I have

1052
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 6: a window into how it may have made.

1053
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: My partner feel. And then it starts to.

1054
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 6: Explain, now I know better why the reaction was the

1055
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: reaction that it was, because I'm living and operating in

1056
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 6: the the logistics of it all, like you realize that

1057
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 6: that's not possible. This is not the third and she's

1058
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 6: looking for a whole different The response is in a

1059
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 6: different stratosphere, but my head isn't there. So there's some

1060
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 6: miscommunication and misinterpretations that happen all along the way. And

1061
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 6: I don't mean this just in the relationship between men

1062
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 6: and women, but public policy and the way in which

1063
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 6: you interface the public policy and their implications with.

1064
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: People's everyday real lives.

1065
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: So thank you for the vividness around that, And for brothers,

1066
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 6: it is if you, if you want to know and

1067
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 6: map yourself a little bit better at any age that

1068
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 6: we're at because part of me could relate today and

1069
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 6: part of me could have related twenty years ago. Then

1070
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 6: this is something you ought to You ought to pick

1071
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 6: up as a better understanding and as a window into

1072
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 6: what what our counterparts might be thinking, feeling, and experiencing

1073
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 6: based on what we are doing, which is also driven

1074
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 6: by how we think and feel.

1075
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: So often I.

1076
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 6: Wanted to know whether or not in the writing of

1077
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 6: this was there a Catharsis. Like, as I'm thinking about

1078
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 6: my own writing, I'm like, do you reach a point

1079
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 6: of exhale where it's like, okay, set this society and

1080
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 6: now this journey forward looks a little different for me

1081
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 6: based off of the fact that I have set this aside.

1082
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 6: I'm curious how you personally you feel whether this was

1083
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: a Catharsism where you feel it it sets you up

1084
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 6: for now?

1085
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I Mean it's funny because when my

1086
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: publisher before she signed me, she asked, was I in therapy?

1087
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: She said that she has like authors breakdown or authors

1088
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 4: go through things, and she's like, I want to make

1089
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: sure that you're prepared for the journey that this writing

1090
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: will take you on. So there were many times I

1091
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: would revisit something from my childhood or you know, this

1092
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Speaker 4: a heartache where I would find myself writing and I'm

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: just weeping as I write, because I would be reading

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 4: the story thinking, oh, I feel so bad for this

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00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 4: person who this happened to. Even revisiting some of the

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 4: things that happened at MSNBC, it was like I was

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 4: so disconnected from myself. I'm like, damn, this is stuff

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00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: that this happened to this person, and she is I

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Speaker 4: and I am she like I am one and the same.

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Speaker 4: So to revisit some of those painful moments, yes, they can't.

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: It was like years later I was feeling, you know,

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Speaker 4: this multi billion in company, multiple dollar company trying to

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 4: destroy me, and one of the women who was so

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00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: destructive also tried to destroy the car, which I'll read

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00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 4: about in the book. But it's just you know, terrible

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 4: things that that happened. But again, I you know, the

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00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: one thing that was always consistent with me is oh

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00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: I was never really alone.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I write about you know, you guys can

1111
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: read about it, and again it's not a memoir, like

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00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 4: it's a little bit of my story. But in my

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00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: worst moment, I wasn't like on the couch eating ice cream, crying.

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: I might have wanted to be, but Angela was like,

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00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 4: let's get to Atlanta, and so we were in it. Literally,

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 4: we weren't going to we weren't going to the strip club.

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00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: We we were speaking like Angela kept saying, no, you

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: need to be with people, you need to see the people.

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: And so we went to NAACP meeting, we went to

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Speaker 4: Melanie Campbell's MDBCP meeting. We were on States weekend at

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Speaker 4: voting Rights because this was a few days before midterms

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Speaker 4: and so, but also we were just like together.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We ended up taking a trip to Paris after that,

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00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: and that togetherness healed a lot of heartbreak from the man,

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: heartbreak from the country. I remember the day after the election,

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00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: we all went and ate me Andrew Briccaria. I don't

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Speaker 4: remember if you were there or not, but it was like, yeah,

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: but no, it wasn't NP.

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00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: It was all of us.

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00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: It was like every thought leader, every black person.

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00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: We were like, let's just be together.

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00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: And so I just wanted to punctuate there is safety

1134
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: in our togetherness. And I hate when people stand up

1135
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, how can we get black

1136
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: people to be together, and I'm like, name another community

1137
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: more together than us. I don't know anybody more united

1138
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 4: than black folks in America. We have such a common

1139
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 4: experience and that exists among all of like all the

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: black people listening. I don't know y'all, but I know

1141
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 4: y'all so well. But then when it gets to black women,

1142
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 4: there are such a deeper level of intimacy among ourselves.

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: I think there's just something unspoken. Angela and I are

1144
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 4: at a conference right now. Shout out to Kimberly Blackwell,

1145
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 4: thank you for having us, but accelerate her. And there's

1146
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 4: a room full of black women. I don't know, I

1147
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: probably know what twenty thirty percent of the women here,

1148
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: but I know all of these women, and I feel safe.

1149
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: I feel relaxed, I feel comfortable, And so this is

1150
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 4: just I want people to feel that way in these pages.

1151
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 4: To wrap yourselves into pages, and thank you Andrew for

1152
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 4: what you said, because I don't think men necessarily know

1153
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 4: how much that hurts. I don't know that Klay Thompson

1154
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: knows how devastating that must have been for Megan after

1155
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: losing her mother, and I imagine she probably needed some

1156
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 4: mothering herself. So being ingratiated in his family, being around people,

1157
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 4: you know, having holiday dinners, traveling together like that is

1158
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 4: where you start to question your worthiness, you know, to

1159
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: question just is love meant for you? You know, not even

1160
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 4: romantic love, but is you know, is a life of

1161
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: ease and peace meant for you? And I don't think

1162
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 4: men necessarily that's not your intention in the ways we hurt.

1163
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Speaker 4: But I hope it can paint a picture for you.

1164
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: If you're having fun, you're having fun at our goddamn expense.

1165
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 4: And at this moment in time, we're a little tired

1166
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 4: of it, you know, like we so it is a

1167
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 4: time for us to just huddle and get ourselves together

1168
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 4: and just tap into our self love and the best way.

1169
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: But I want to ask because Angela has said like

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Speaker 4: that journey home to self. And I'm very unfiltered in

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01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 4: the book, like I you know there, I'm a little

1172
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 4: uptight at the things I share. And I'll be on

1173
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 4: book tour with a lot of our girls, kicking off

1174
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: on May fourth in Brooklyn, so please come see me,

1175
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 4: but I'll be all. I'll be in Philly, Chicago. You

1176
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 4: can go to my website to get tickets, but Angela,

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 4: you said to me, like on your journey home to

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Speaker 4: and this was years ago. It's like maybe three years ago.

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Speaker 4: I if you feel comfortable, I would like you to

1180
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 4: just share a little back bit about what your journey

1181
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: home to self has looked like over whatever time period.

1182
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: Because we're at that age, not middle age, or we're

1183
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 4: caring for elderly parents. We're confronting our decisions in life,

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01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 4: you know, breakups, makeups, girlfriends, sisters, like.

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Speaker 1: All the things.

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01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 4: Just what have you been feeling as you reflect on

1187
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: your journey home to yourself?

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Speaker 1: Well, TIF, that sounds like a mini pod. And because

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01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: we are well into our show, will I will just

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: say this, I am happy. This is the cheat code.

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01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: I think that returning home to yourself is an everyday

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: commitment for all of us. I think that every single

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: day we need to be checking in, like am I

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: at home within myself? And you can always know when

1195
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: you're not, because you feel like you're watching somebody else,

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: somebody else's existed, somebody else go through life. And so

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01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: there are breath work, you know. I put my hand

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Speaker 1: on my heart and my hand on my belly. I

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Speaker 1: do that breath work. Same thing with doctor Tamo, who's

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Speaker 1: my therapist. At the beginning of every session this week,

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: I've been saying after a session I had last week,

1202
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: i am immune immune and I am safe, and I'm

1203
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: supposed to kind of inhale and excel that six times

1204
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: in a road just to through some energetic work I've

1205
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: been doing. But I just do a lot of stuff, acupuncture,

1206
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: breath work, you know, just really trying to check back in,

1207
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: tapping in with my girls. My family humbles you. They

1208
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: make sure you not ever on a pedestal, so you

1209
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: remember that you you know, you are more than just

1210
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: your name or more than whatever you've done out in

1211
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: the world. Like they don't care. It's like is the

1212
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: dinner ready or not?

1213
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1214
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a part of it. I

1215
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: think to that point tips our show today has been

1216
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: so focused on varying calls to action, whether they're for

1217
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: self or how we can show up in community or

1218
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: in the world world. That is a great way for

1219
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: us to start a call to action. Please y'all return

1220
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: home to yourself.

1221
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 3: Nobody knows.

1222
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: And I will also say, I really really want you

1223
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: to pick up this book, Oprah. If you're watching, If

1224
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: somebody sends you this clip. It should be in your

1225
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: book club. Tip has a book club. Shout out to

1226
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: Tim's book club too, But please pick up this book, y'all.

1227
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: And Tip, I'll go to you first for calls to action,

1228
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna rotate it on out of here. I'll

1229
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: echo Angela's call to action.

1230
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 4: Please get the hard copy of the book from a

1231
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: black owner independent bookstore, and please please join me on

1232
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 4: book tour. You can go to Tiffanydcross dot com and

1233
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 4: look up the Love Me Book Tour to get your

1234
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 4: tickets everywhere. I'll be on tour with Sunny Houston, Joy Mark,

1235
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 4: Lamont Hill, Van Lathan, Jamil Hill.

1236
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: Eventually Angela and I I hope will share a.

1237
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 4: Stage Andrew and I might not be cause I'm ana

1238
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 4: share a stage with our j his wife.

1239
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: But Andrew will be there. I think that would be great.

1240
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 4: I would like I'll love that idea. He'll so well,

1241
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 4: we'll all be on stage. I'll be on stage with

1242
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 4: this crew at some point. But please join me on

1243
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 4: the book tour and men, this is a book for

1244
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 4: you to read too, and I would love to have

1245
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 4: you all show up to the book tour so we

1246
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 4: can be in conversation each one. It is not your

1247
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 4: average book talk like I'm trying to create a different

1248
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 4: environment like I'm doing with Michael Harriett and Atlanta. That's

1249
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 4: gonna be more of a speak easy and the Magic

1250
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 4: City will have me Bakari.

1251
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: I would love to join you in your nations and

1252
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: the book pro see that one for us, brother, just

1253
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: tell I'm here for you all whatever, whatever, whatever you

1254
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: all need. Andrew, you got a caught action.

1255
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 6: Well, I just want to double tap on get the book.

1256
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 6: It is a window and if we are not megalomaniacs

1257
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 6: and completely self insular only, it is worth looking outside

1258
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 6: of ourselves to even frankly aid us on our journey home,

1259
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 6: a lot of you know, we hear the phrase that

1260
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 6: you all are using so freely. In my mind keeps

1261
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 6: going back to I don't know if I remember the

1262
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 6: last time I was at home. Maybe it was so

1263
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 6: early in my life where I felt comfortable in my

1264
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 6: skin and didn't care about the opinions outside of myself

1265
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 6: that it was like, Okay, this is what it feels

1266
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 6: like to not need validation and justification and acceptance from

1267
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 6: everything around you.

1268
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 3: That I'm giving it to myself.

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01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 6: So I think what I must spend some time doing

1270
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 6: is trying to figure out whether I could map what

1271
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 6: it felt like to be completely at home in my

1272
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 6: skin and in my thoughts.

1273
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: And in my being.

1274
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 6: And it might be worth it for maybe some of

1275
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 6: y'all out there, listening or watching, to also go about

1276
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 6: the exercise of when in our last feel like just

1277
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 6: most incomplete command of of me and and and and

1278
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 6: and and okay with it better than okay, but at

1279
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 6: home in it, y'all challenge me, and inadvertently, so that's

1280
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 6: my that's my collection.

1281
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 7: Mine is mine is a little bit different, although I

1282
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 7: guess I'll slide into make sure you buy the book.

1283
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 7: I tell people all the time, when black authors have

1284
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 7: an opportunity to sell books, if we don't buy them,

1285
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 7: other black authors don't get a chance. So it's incoming

1286
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 7: upon us if we want to keep the movement going,

1287
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 7: to make sure that Tiffany in this project in particular,

1288
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 7: is a success. She'll always be a success, but in

1289
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 7: this project in particular, make sure that she is a success.

1290
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 7: So we will buy as many books in this household

1291
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 7: as we can just to support her.

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 5: Get the other and I don't want to man, I

1293
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 5: don't want to hear tiffany voice.

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Speaker 8: Rate.

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01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 7: I definitely get that, get the audiobook, but I know

1296
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 7: my CTA and I don't know if Nick has a

1297
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 7: video because I sent it over kind of late. But

1298
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 7: at South Carolina State University, students there a lot like

1299
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 7: when skateboard p also known as Philip Agnu and many

1300
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,879
Speaker 7: others down at Florida and m set in at the capital.

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 7: We have students right now that are sitting in at

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01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,839
Speaker 7: the President's office at South Carolina State protesting Pamela Evitt,

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 7: who is the graduation speaker. She's the Lieutenant governor of

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Speaker 7: South Carolina. The great irony of this is that if

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Speaker 7: she walked into a room, I wouldn't know who she is.

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Speaker 7: But this is what she had to say about her

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Speaker 7: speech at South Carolina State. It's only forty five seconds.

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Speaker 15: Well, I was at the White House today. I heard

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Speaker 15: about what's happening on the campus of SC State University.

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Speaker 15: Let's be clear fact Trump feelings in the real world.

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Speaker 15: President Trump and conservatives have done more for HBCUs than

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Speaker 15: any administration in history. I must be doing something right,

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Speaker 15: because woke mobs are coming after me for being a

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Speaker 15: champion of eliminating radical DEI scams on college campuses.

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Speaker 1: So bring it on.

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Speaker 15: Just like President Trump, I'll never back down or bend

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Speaker 15: a knee to the woke radicals. I'm ending de high

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Speaker 15: on campuses once and for all. Stay tuned. I'm going

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Speaker 15: to have a lot more to say about this later.

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Speaker 15: In the meantime, I look forward to celebrating commencement with

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Speaker 15: the students and faculty at se State.

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Speaker 5: Now, for those of you all who may not.

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Speaker 1: Know, I am not in why you played it, No,

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Speaker 1: there is.

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Speaker 7: No I would argue that South Carolina State University is

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Speaker 7: their history is just as rich as any other institution

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Speaker 7: in the country when it comes to civil rights. They

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Speaker 7: had twenty eight shot, three killed. My dad was one

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Speaker 7: of the ones who was shot and wounded February eight

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Speaker 7: to sixty eight in the Orangeburg massacre.

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Speaker 5: Jim Clyburn went to school there.

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Speaker 7: Just the culture that is there, which is why I

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Speaker 7: am so proud of.

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Speaker 5: The students that are raising their voices. Now.

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Speaker 7: I hope every student raises their voices with them. I

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Speaker 7: hope Claflin joins that. I hope other HBCU students join

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Speaker 7: that struggle, joined that fight, and I'm just very proud

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Speaker 7: of them. So my call to action is that you

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Speaker 7: pray for their wisdom, you pray for their guidance. I

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Speaker 7: know that Jesse Jackson is somewhere smiling down at these

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Speaker 7: students today, and let's just keep them in our hearts

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Speaker 7: and prayers.

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Speaker 5: Go bulldogs.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I have a quick one. My video

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Speaker 1: is a little more inspiring than Macary's, but one of

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Speaker 1: my professional development program alums just pulled off quite the

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Speaker 1: upset in Utah's congressional Democratic primary. He landed the endorsement

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party, despite the former member choosing to

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Speaker 1: throw his head in the ring as well. Let's just

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Speaker 1: roll apart of Levine's speech from the beginning of this race.

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Speaker 1: Everybody told me to be bad.

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Speaker 16: This is too bold, two different, too risky.

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Speaker 13: So I ask you what is the bigger risk. The

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Speaker 13: risk of wing for economic justice or the risk of

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Speaker 13: staying silent as our costs rise and wait to stay stagnant,

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Speaker 13: the risk of hope or the certainty of the status.

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Speaker 16: Quote, my friends, the greatest risk that we could take

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Speaker 16: in this moment is not taking a risk at all.

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Speaker 16: So this moment is a calling, a calling to bring

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Speaker 16: new people into the process. A calling for people who

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Speaker 16: are advocating, who are unseen on heard, left out of

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Speaker 16: this process, abandoned.

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Speaker 3: It is all to leave.

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Speaker 1: It is, oh God, to leave.

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Speaker 2: It all.

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Speaker 14: To believe.

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Speaker 3: Who is that coming off?

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Speaker 5: Understand?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was given Donald Trump Hillary glynnon Debate Energy,

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Speaker 1: but Levan Mohammad as the son of Somali immigrants, it

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Speaker 1: was stated to be. They said it was going to

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Speaker 1: be a long shot as a crowded democratic field, but

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Speaker 1: he's already landed the endorsement of Vilhan on our shout

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Speaker 1: out to Levan, I'm so proud of you. Keep going

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Speaker 1: and keep up the good fight. I encourage young folks

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Speaker 1: everywhere to get involved, whether it's it through advocacy or

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Speaker 1: it's through running for office. We have some folks who

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Speaker 1: were once young on this podcast who ran for office themselves,

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Speaker 1: Andrew and Bakari. Of course, make sure you all buy

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