WEBVTT - Tweaking the Approach

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<v Speaker 1>This crowd rises suits being what Carl slamming it, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>Carle left.

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<v Speaker 2>Wing free ball perfect, Darlin pop then Hellift block the

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<v Speaker 2>shot at the rim pow with the left hand and

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<v Speaker 2>of fowl. Welcome to the Chasetown Podcast, part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Caves Media family. I'm your host, Justin Rowan. The Chase

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<v Speaker 2>guys live the eve of the NBA Finals between the

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder. Joining me today

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss the playoffs, discuss Calves changes and all that

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff is my co host, Carter Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 1>Carter, Hey, nobody, I'm doing good man. It's been quite

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<v Speaker 1>the quite the marathon for your boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Been on the road two straight weeks. But I'm home,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and trying to recover from some nasty jet lag.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Netherlands was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just say for those on the YouTube. I

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<v Speaker 2>had not seen Carter's camera until like he came live

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<v Speaker 2>on the mic, and that mustache was a cold open

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<v Speaker 2>for me. How about that. I don't think I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>this look from you before.

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<v Speaker 1>I was curious. So I was having a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a tiring, you know, a rough day because I'm so tired,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had a rough morning. You know, all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things were going wrong. I was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm gonna do something a little silly, see

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<v Speaker 1>if I can change the energy of my day. And

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<v Speaker 1>full disclosure, the mustache wasn't supposed to make it to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I was gonna because Kylie hates it whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I have one, and I was gonna shave it before

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<v Speaker 1>she even got home. But then I made a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of pivots to my day and the mustache remains. It'll

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<v Speaker 1>be gone by tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, the off season is a time for pivots. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see teams change up the rotation. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see trades, are going to see firings the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Knicks, uh, you know, fire Tom Thibodeau, and we

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<v Speaker 2>also have some changes on the caves side as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an announcement today. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>official yet, but Jordan Ought there is reporting that he

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<v Speaker 2>has been hired by the Phoenix Suns to be their

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<v Speaker 2>next head coach. Congratulations to him. You know, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like the Cavs assistant coaches are in demand. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>great sign. I think if you look at the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years the Cavs front office, you know, a lums

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<v Speaker 2>have been running quite a few teams around the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been running some successful teams around the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're seeing that a little bit on the

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<v Speaker 2>coaching staff. You'll be interesting to see with that vacancy

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<v Speaker 2>in New York if Johnny Bryant's name ends up getting

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<v Speaker 2>into that mix as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a classic good news bad news thing. Like good

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<v Speaker 1>news you're an organization that's respected by its peers around

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<v Speaker 1>the league. Bad news brain drain, you know, and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to you gotta find a way to replicate your culture.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the story of culture, right, is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not tied to one individual. Is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the tide that raises all boats, that allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to plug in different folks with different skills and

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<v Speaker 1>still you know, be a representation of what you once were.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, it doesn't not angst me out that the

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<v Speaker 1>Cavs two top assistants might be on another team, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going to the next season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I think we've said the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing when guys have been poached from the G League team, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>when you do a good job developing talent, when you

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<v Speaker 2>bring in, you know, talent that's worthy of other teams

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<v Speaker 2>taking a look at them, these kinds of things are

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen. I think, you know, angst is a

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<v Speaker 2>good word to use. I'm also just kind of intrigued

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<v Speaker 2>because we never really know how much responsibility anybody has

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<v Speaker 2>on a coaching staff. But what we do know is

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<v Speaker 2>that Kenny Atkinson has been big when he talked in

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<v Speaker 2>the media. He's been big on collaboration, whether it's with

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<v Speaker 2>his assistant coaches, whether it's with the players. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be interesting to see what type of a

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<v Speaker 2>new voice the Cavs bring in. What you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>what's their track record, what types of locker rooms have

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<v Speaker 2>they been involved in. I think, particularly in this situation

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<v Speaker 2>where I don't expect massive change ups to the core

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<v Speaker 2>and the identity of what this roster is. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a fresh set of eyes and a new perspective might

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting. Now, interesting doesn't guarantee it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a positive change. Interesting, like you're you're still building off

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation that you laid next year. So it's not

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<v Speaker 2>something that's dramatically concerning. We're not changing up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach. We have our coach of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think you know, what types of new

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<v Speaker 2>ways of looking at things and what other perspectives are

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<v Speaker 2>being brought into the locker room is definitely going to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of those things that we talk about when

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<v Speaker 2>these vacancy this vacancy is filled.

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<v Speaker 1>And also like you know, who is the guy you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's not a new face or if it's

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<v Speaker 1>an elevation you know, uh with with you know, of

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<v Speaker 1>the current staff. It's always interesting when you have one

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<v Speaker 1>of those like in house promotions where a guy goes

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<v Speaker 1>from the back bench to the front bench and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden has that is empowered to have that voice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just like players, coaches have to play their roles,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like and even in a you know, an

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<v Speaker 1>open minded environment that Kenny seems to have fostered where

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<v Speaker 1>seems like ideas can come from anywhere. But like at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, like you know, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, fifteen coaches opening on every rotation or

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<v Speaker 1>every schematic decision, like you do need like a chain

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<v Speaker 1>o command at the end of the day. So you

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<v Speaker 1>you just you know, you lean on your culture to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the quality bar, and you also have to trust

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<v Speaker 1>in your ability to identify coaching talent. Like, yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>you lose a guy like ot who's clearly respected around

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<v Speaker 1>the league, no greater endorsement of a coach than one

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<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of players are sharing like hey, good luck,

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<v Speaker 1>well wishes UH to to to an assistant clearly a

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<v Speaker 1>good guy that uh that had the faith of the team.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's hoping that whoever they do replace him with

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<v Speaker 1>and uh is uh is an additive and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>brings that fresh perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see what direction they go.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's honestly, that's all I really feel qualified to even

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<v Speaker 2>say on this because we're not in that locker room,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not at practices, we're not you know, witnessing what

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the delegation of tasks are right, So what

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<v Speaker 2>direction they go with the vacancy is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting and well we'll see what comes of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I mentioned before, we are on the eve

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<v Speaker 2>of Game one of the NBA Finals, excited to see

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<v Speaker 2>this matchup between Pacers and Thunder. I've seen I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy mix from the media. Some are being like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, let's just talk about basketball. These teams

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<v Speaker 2>are awesome, Let's stop all this ratings nonsense. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I've also seen a lot of national media members that

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<v Speaker 2>are just flat out lazy, and it feels like they

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<v Speaker 2>are justifying their laziness by saying, well, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know any of the names on these teams,

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<v Speaker 2>but these players, but they came out of nowhere. No,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're paying attention, there's some really damn good names.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of really good players, and I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>to see what the series is. I personally believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to win

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<v Speaker 2>this pretty comfortably. I think that they are the best

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<v Speaker 2>team this season. I think they are cut above. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen the Indiana Pacers, you know, surprise teams. They

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<v Speaker 2>surprised the hell out of us, and their ability to

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<v Speaker 2>steal games and to maintain their identity against a historically

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<v Speaker 2>good defense is going to be fascinating to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm excited for the one because I think like

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<v Speaker 1>on the talent side of the Ledger, the Okay See,

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<v Speaker 1>he just has an overwhelming advantage. But stylistically, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some things here for the Pacers. You know, so much

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<v Speaker 1>of what fuels that Okay See engine is turnovers is

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<v Speaker 1>the overwhelming ball pressure that they put on you. The

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<v Speaker 1>pick six is the you know, the kind of the machine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the snowball effect that they can have on you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it never turns the ball over. The

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<v Speaker 1>Indiana Pacers, you know, who plays really really good pressure

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<v Speaker 1>defense that can get okay See out of their rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>on night, especially on nice shade, doesn't have it going

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<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers. So I feel like it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where the matchup is really you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure the Pacers could ask for better answers to

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<v Speaker 1>the things that Okay See is good at. But the

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<v Speaker 1>talent I just don't think is there for them to

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<v Speaker 1>make this a long series. But I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there are Okay see as a way of making you

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the on. When they're at their best,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they feel like one of these generationally great teams,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are prone to some stinkers in some weird games.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't I don't know. I don't know quite

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<v Speaker 1>what to make of it, but I do think I

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<v Speaker 1>do think this is the Thunder series to lose. And frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you're the rest of the league, that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing because if they lose, they'll probably just

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<v Speaker 1>go trade for like Yannis or something, or Yannis and

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<v Speaker 1>Katie or something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably a good point. It's it's interesting. You're right,

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<v Speaker 2>like they are prone to some of those games, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from a Cavs perspective, that's almost a little discouraging, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is probably the worst that the Thunder are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, at least from a talent standpoint. As

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<v Speaker 2>they gain this experience from this finals run, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to be a better team. Now, health

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<v Speaker 2>might not align with that. There's a variety of factors.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to get lucky to win a championship, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be learning from this experience, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I think about with the Pacers.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys might not agree with me in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>how that series would go if we were healthy. I

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<v Speaker 2>still believe with the current state of where we were at,

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<v Speaker 2>we could have won that series with the injuries. But

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing to kind of remember with that is

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<v Speaker 2>you learn from these types of experiences and you get better.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cavs, I firmly believe they would have won in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen if they were healthy. That Golden State Warriors

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<v Speaker 2>team the next year, they didn't make any dramatic changes

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<v Speaker 2>to their roster, but all of those guys took a

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<v Speaker 2>step forward because of the experience that they had. And

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<v Speaker 2>once again, maybe me not in a popular opinion, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think if both teams were fully healthy both of

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<v Speaker 2>those years, they flip with years they won the titles.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Cavs win in fifteen and the Warriors

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<v Speaker 2>would have won in sixteen. It's what makes that title

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun, and you have to play who's ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of you. But just because I believe that about how

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<v Speaker 2>this Caz Pacers matchup would have gone this year, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that the Indiana Pacers can't take a step forward.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of young talent. That's a team

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<v Speaker 2>that's well coached, well built, they have depth. Sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>some questions about free agency with Miles Turner and other

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<v Speaker 2>things there, but that doesn't mean that just because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that way about this year doesn't mean that they

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<v Speaker 2>can't take a step forward next year. And from a

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<v Speaker 2>Calves standpoint, you got to constantly be workshopping what you

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<v Speaker 2>can learn from this playoffs and how you can take

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<v Speaker 2>those steps forward, whether it be from a rotation standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be in terms of how you approach the game.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they should be watching these finals. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure they're watching these finals and these playoffs with a

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<v Speaker 2>keen eye seeing what you can steal from Indy, what

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<v Speaker 2>you can steal from Okay, see what you can steal

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<v Speaker 2>from Minnesota, from New York. Every single data point is

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<v Speaker 2>valuable when it comes to the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it feel like this series more than last year

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<v Speaker 1>was a series where you can kind of watch it

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<v Speaker 1>as the Calves and be like they should steal some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like I nothing about the Boston Celtics

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<v Speaker 2>was really replicable. When it comes to the Indiana Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a team that I think you watch them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they played better than their talent on both ends of

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<v Speaker 2>the floor because of how they approached.

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<v Speaker 1>The other There's a lot of things I am for.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, see, I completely agree with that, and frankly, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any like ill will against the Indiana Pacers.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect the hell out of that team. They They

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<v Speaker 2>changed my mind throughout the season. You know where I

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<v Speaker 2>was at the start of the year, shadow Kaitlin Cooper's

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<v Speaker 2>substack for you know, opening my eyes throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But they progressively got better too, as Halliburn, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>regained his form, they improved as a team. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of things that you can steal from them.

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<v Speaker 2>And you speaking of stealing from them, did you happen

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<v Speaker 2>to see Chris Finch's I know you were traveling, so

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this missed you. Did you see Chris Finch's comments

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<v Speaker 2>after the Western Conference finals wrapped up?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>So I find this really interesting because you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs right now, the best offense in the playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>has been the Indiana Pacers. I know the Calves technically

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<v Speaker 2>have a better RO rating, but that was really skewed

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<v Speaker 2>by that Miami series. But the Pacers have had basically

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<v Speaker 2>a one eighteen offensive rating, the Thunder one fifteen point nine.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at how the Wolves played against the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City Thunder actually had a worse offensive rating than the

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<v Speaker 2>Calves had against the Indiana Pacers, and they had a

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<v Speaker 2>worse defensive rating than the Calves had against the Indiana Pacers.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a Wolves lineup that has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Conley, strong defender at the point guard position, Anthony Edwards,

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<v Speaker 2>good length of the shooting guard positions, strong defender, Jada

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<v Speaker 2>McDaniels elite wing defender, exactly what you want from that position.

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<v Speaker 2>Julius Randall is playing some of the best defense of

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<v Speaker 2>his career, Rudy Gobert Defensive Player of the Year candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>nas Reed coming in off the bench, Nikuila on Alexander Walker.

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<v Speaker 2>They have basically, like when we talk about the archetypes

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<v Speaker 2>that we want defensively and we want to bring into

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<v Speaker 2>the Calves, they have those guys, and they had a

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<v Speaker 2>worse defensive performance against the Oklahoma City Thunder, who are

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<v Speaker 2>a worse offense than the Indiana Pacers. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>will found it really interesting because I was wondering, what

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<v Speaker 2>does Chris Finch focus on and here is his quote

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<v Speaker 2>in the game today. With all that switching, you see,

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<v Speaker 2>you need two things. You need passing and you need

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<v Speaker 2>ball handling. That's what you need. Everybody wants shooting, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the other things that unlock shooting. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was so fascinating for a defense first team.

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<v Speaker 2>His takeaway from that series is, we need more ball handling,

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<v Speaker 2>we need more playmaking, We need more creation on the

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<v Speaker 2>offense than as a floor because as we know, when

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<v Speaker 2>your offense isn't clicking, that is going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>negative effect on your defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting, I think, especially against that Okay See team,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not surprising that I guess I would say that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you might index on a bit, you know, multiple

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<v Speaker 1>points of attack, just because of how devastating some of

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<v Speaker 1>those bulldogs on Okay See can be, you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>guys and like, that's a big way I felt about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this this playoff run for the Cavs is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, having you know, we talked about it even

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<v Speaker 1>in the Miami series when they were playing Ocoro and

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<v Speaker 1>Wade out at the same time, having guys who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to make quick, assertive decisions with the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't a threat with the ball. If the if

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<v Speaker 1>the jumper isn't falling, you know, is is just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of death for your offense. And you know, I do think,

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<v Speaker 1>like I do think in general, when you taught, when

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to coaches like Chris Finch and you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, and you listen to fans, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the conversation is flying in the opposite direction. Fans

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<v Speaker 1>want to figure out how to get stops. Coaches are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to score. And like that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I think I have continued to kind of lean

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<v Speaker 1>in on the offensive identity of the team just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, like I felt like they got enough stops

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<v Speaker 1>to win. Really in the last two three years, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just been that consistent rhythm offensively that like they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been able to find they have They've always reverted to

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<v Speaker 1>the one or two ball handlers that are initiating everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And to Chris Finch's point, like that's just easier to

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<v Speaker 1>game plan against.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, obviously the injuries had some impact

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<v Speaker 2>on that. You had Darius missing games flat out and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, playing through that that toe injury. Donovan Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 2>You could tell his mobil ability was impacted after that

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<v Speaker 2>cast rain in Game two, and it just felt like

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't able to generate that playmaking right like Indy

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't sending help. They were daring Donovan to to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of beat them one on one to you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>to take away those easy kickout passes that the Cavs

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<v Speaker 2>offense really feats off of. And then ty Jerome just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to turn the corner. And it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>ironic because part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that metaphorical or literal corner a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Both the irony is when you look at that series

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that the injuries played out and the

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<v Speaker 2>limitations on both Mitchell and Garland physically that trade deadline move.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably could have benefited from Karros laverd in that series,

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<v Speaker 2>like his playmaking. Obviously we've seen up and downs of

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<v Speaker 2>the play in the playoffs for Karris Lavert, but in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of skills that they really needed that additional ball handler.

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<v Speaker 2>And I find it fascinating because if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the last seven years, and this counts both finalists for

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<v Speaker 2>this year, there is no consistent way any of these

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<v Speaker 2>teams have been built you know, for all the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>about what you need to learn from a team building standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what types of players you need to

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<v Speaker 2>win with. We're going to see seven straight years where

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<v Speaker 2>teams built very different ways one NBA championships. But the

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<v Speaker 2>one kind of consistent thing I think you see with

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<v Speaker 2>all of these teams is they are able to generate offense.

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<v Speaker 2>They are able to get playmaking from multiple positions. Boston

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<v Speaker 2>no traditional point guard. I think that's why you see

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<v Speaker 2>some of the volatility with them on the offensive end

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<v Speaker 2>of the court, but they had five guys in that

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<v Speaker 2>lineup that were able to generate offense. Indy we saw

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<v Speaker 2>tons of that. Oka See has that right, like Shay's

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<v Speaker 2>able to do it obviously, Alex Caruso coming in off

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<v Speaker 2>the bench, Jalen Williams is a good playmaker, Hernstein's a

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<v Speaker 2>good playmaker. Wiggins and Wallace are able to do that

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<v Speaker 2>at a solid level.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, Okay, to see I think is maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly a wonder you know. I'm not that you're making

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<v Speaker 1>the case that they're a one to one, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I do think they're a team where their defense is

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<v Speaker 1>so bananas and they have a lead star. That's so good,

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<v Speaker 1>But they think almost feel like a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>of a throwback. But you're right, they sure attack from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different spots, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interesting thing is, even though these teams are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, built differently, how they get that playmaking is

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<v Speaker 2>also different. Right, Like the Warriors staff Draymond Andrea was

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<v Speaker 2>still playing for them, Jordan Poole was able to provide

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<v Speaker 2>some playmaking the Bucks Giannis Drew and and Dante DiVincenzo

0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 2>in that year, Chris Middleton actually had a pretty high

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<v Speaker 2>assist rate and was able to generate some offense for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Denver Joki, Murray Brown, Aaron Gordon was able to run

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<v Speaker 2>some offense. Reggie Jackson was able to run some offense. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>how many guys did you you feel confident in that

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<v Speaker 2>the Cavs could go to from a playmaking standpoint like?

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<v Speaker 2>That was my big takeaway from you know, the Boston

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<v Speaker 2>series and it remains mine now. Obviously we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how mobiley needed to be used more in those spots,

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<v Speaker 2>but when the guards are limited, like you just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anybody else you could really rely on in that spot,

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<v Speaker 2>Max Struce, you you can you can you know, make

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<v Speaker 2>the argument that he's kind of in that case in Wallace,

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Wiggins, you know, like that can provide that secondary playmaking.

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<v Speaker 2>But whether it is hey, we need to use our

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<v Speaker 2>guys differently because we believe that they can provide that playmaking,

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<v Speaker 2>or hey, we need to bring in someone that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to supplement that a little bit and

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<v Speaker 2>provide that from the front court, it just felt like

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<v Speaker 2>the initiation was too backcourt heavy in that series.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and you're right, and we've talked about a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll gripe about the way Mobiley was used in

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<v Speaker 1>the way he used himself in that series for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>The Seeable Future. But I will say this stuff does

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<v Speaker 1>roll down hill, and like if Shay and Jalen have

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<v Speaker 1>really bad games or are hurt, then I think, And

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing Alex Caruso initiating more, and we're seeing Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Wiggins have to initiate more, and we're seeing Chet Holmgren

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<v Speaker 1>try to run inverted pick and rolls, Like, yeah, they'll they'll,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll get decent looks every now and again, but we

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<v Speaker 1>will go, oh man, they probably haveing to rely on

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<v Speaker 1>those guys too much. So like there is a degree

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<v Speaker 1>where like, if Darius and Donmo are playing well, are

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<v Speaker 1>we having discussions about the team needing more playmaking outside

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<v Speaker 1>of mobiley? I don't think. Hold on, let me get

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<v Speaker 1>through this. I think Struce as the fourth or fifth

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.240
<v Speaker 1>best playmaker on the floor is a great outcome. I

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<v Speaker 1>think DeAndre Hunter as the fourth best playmaker on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor is a great outcome. I just don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>the Cavs played a style that allowed those guys to

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<v Speaker 1>look that way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's bring it to a point that I think

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<v Speaker 2>we can both agree with. If Chris Finch with much

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<v Speaker 2>better defensive personnel that we have and you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>worse defensive outcome than we had against the Pacers, if

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<v Speaker 2>his takeaway is we need more ball handling, we need

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<v Speaker 2>more playmaking, then the takeaway from this season shouldn't be Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's swap Darius Garland for Jada McDaniels. Let's swap Darius

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<v Speaker 2>Garland for Jalen Suggs, who is fifth on the magic

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<v Speaker 2>in a SIS percentage, Like, if you're going that direction, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>you should just start a coral like because he neither

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 2>player is going to give you any ball handling or

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<v Speaker 2>playmaking or be able to run an offense. Coral is

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.399
<v Speaker 2>at least taller, he's a better shooter, and he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you the same defense. If you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>punt that other guard position, just go with a Coral.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, like, but it's disrespectful. I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>been disrespected. True, No, it absolutely is true. It's the

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:08.399
<v Speaker 2>macro is true. But Jalen Suggs has more juice. The

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<v Speaker 2>macro is all I need to get the joke off.

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<v Speaker 2>But if that's your takeaway, what the Caves need to write.

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<v Speaker 1>The takeaway that the Calves should get less ball handling

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and more on ball defense is not the solve I

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<v Speaker 1>would pick. If you want to, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>say that the Calves could use more front court initiation,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and things like that. You know, and you're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in that kind of thing. Okay, I could see it,

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.639
<v Speaker 1>but you know, that's not really what Jaden McDaniels is.

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not really what Jalen Suggs is in the front.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the ways that they would initiate, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know there are things those guys do, even on offense,

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that the Calves don't exactly do. But I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you want to build the plane out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>because from a team building standpoint, like we talked about

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 2>with the Aprons, there's not a lot of options that

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.919
<v Speaker 2>in terms of major shakeups for the cast, right, Like

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're looking at Darius trades, the fact that guys

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.479
<v Speaker 2>like a Jalen Sugs or Drew Holiday are you know,

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>in that range goes to show you, like a one

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>for one swap, you're downgrading. Not only from a town standpoint,

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you're just getting worse as a team. But if we

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of concede that, hey, we're not able to make

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 2>those kind of dramatic change ups, the changes have to

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.959
<v Speaker 2>come with how they approach the game on both offense

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and defense if you're going to make changes, and it

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 2>also has to come in terms of how you deplay

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 2>guys from a rotation standpoint. And you know, as much

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>as people talk about the small backcourt, that's not a

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Darius Garland thing. That's a Donovan Mitchell thing because he's

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>undersized for his position, and while we like his ability

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 2>and we think he's grown as a playmaker, even by

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 2>his own emission, he prefers playing with a point guard.

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 2>He's not a point guard. He's not someone that you're

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 2>going to ask to run your offense at all times.

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>So in that, you know, with that understanding, you're always

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 2>going to have a bit of a small backcourt unless

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you're building around, you know, a Lebron James or Nikola

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Jokic where he can play in that Jamal Murray role,

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>which I think you wouldn't do a much better job

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>of because he's better than Jamal Murray. But you know

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>what I find interesting is all right, so if we

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.919
<v Speaker 2>understand that, and we also understand that that starting lineup

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>had a one oh seven defensive rating against the Pacers,

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>so defense of that lineup was not the issue. It's

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.920
<v Speaker 2>going to come down to how they use the rotation.

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Do they make changes in terms of, you know, who's

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>starting at the three, who's the the sixth, seventh, eighth man.

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Those kinds of decisions I think are going to be

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 2>the most important thing when it comes to how the

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Calves approach this offseason.

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just do think like this is a I

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>hope that when you talk about the lessons that the

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>team chooses to take away from this season, I hope

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>that it's not just an injury conversation within that doubting staff.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I'll be surprised if it is.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we can almost assume that it's not,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>because when you listen to those exit interviews, that wasn't

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what the takeaway was, right Like, it's, hey, we got

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to we gotta get mentally tougher, we got to get

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 2>the experience, we got to get better.

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>So you could interpret mentally tougher as just do what

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>our plan was, but better, you know, you could interpret

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it that way. I do think the fact that, you know,

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Kenny felt like they had enough talent wise to win

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that series, and I believe he said as much, like,

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:01.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, we didn't lose that series because of the injuries.

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>So I think is what he said. Yeah, you know,

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 1>I think that tells me that there is some you know, uh,

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, some disappointment with the Encourt product. But it

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>is always going to be a question in terms of

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>choosing what lessons to learn. Was this an execution problem?

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Was this a talent problem? Or was this a schematic problem?

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think you you know, in the unfortunately,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>answer is always going to be yes. It was all

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>three of those things, Like, you know, more talent could

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>probably paper over or you know, healthier talent could have

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>papered over schematic and execution problems. Better execution would solve

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>for talent, and schematics, better schematics would solve for execution.

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like this, you know, this unholy triumvirate

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.479
<v Speaker 1>of of of you know, basketball that you're never going

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 1>to have like a cut and dry thing, you know,

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 1>very you know, the Knicks series was kind of this

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 1>like very special exception where all you had to do

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was watch and go shooting please, and you kind of

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>know that's like the main thing, and you're not going

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to get better data till you have that. Like in

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>this it's a much more gray area. So I don't

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>know if we can assume that Kenny was like my

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>scheme let us down. Now, maybe I'm just showing what

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>my assumption is. And you know, the interesting thing, like

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 1>I think why you're seeing the Knicks basically have an

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>existential crisis here is because they were in a position.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Last year in the playoffs where they thought we lost

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>because of injuries. We would have beat the Pacers if

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.959
<v Speaker 2>we were healthy. They go into this offseason and they

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 2>make dramatic changes. They think that they improve their roster.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>So now you have an improved roster from what you

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 2>thought was going to beat the Pacers the year before,

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>you bringing in that more talent. You're healthy in the

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>playoffs against the Pacers, and you look completely outclassed and outmatch,

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>which goes back to what I was saying before, which

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>is even you know, if we disagree on what you

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>think this year's series would have been if you're healthy,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying we as in myself and the listener, if

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>even if that's the case, I think we can both

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>agree that it doesn't necessarily mean anything moving forward. Every

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 2>year is its own kind of ecosystem. Every team is different.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>You can't make assumptions on who's going to be better,

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>who's going to be worse, And of course, like after

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years, I'm going to have concerns.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have concerns on whether or not both

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>guards are going to be able to make it to

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs healthy, if they're able to make it through

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs healthy. But you know, those are answers that

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>we can't really have right now, so you focus on

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>everything else and God, go ahead, no, no, no, no,

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that was an end I was just going to ramble on. Anyways.

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's where I just kind of get back

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to the scheme stuff on both sides of the floor.

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I kind of set up the the

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, the ball and the tee without taking a

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>cut at it. You know, I kind of said, should

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>they wonder about scheme? And like, I guess my final

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>takeaway that I have right now is that they should.

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I do think they should really be evaluating how they

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>attacked that series against Indy, what they asked their guys

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to do over the course of the season, and comparing

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>it against what they did against Indy. And you know,

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because on either end of the ball, I

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of feel the opposite way I feel on offense.

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And and you know people heard me say this on

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 1>our last weeks at pod and the postgame pod after

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Game five, that I thought the Cavs scheme all year

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>was fine and then they just stopped doing it. Yeah,

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, they stopped running, you know, letting mobilely initiate offense.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>They stopped doing all the varied stuff that made them

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>so interesting and in challenging the guard. You know, they

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>stopped playing with pace blah blah blah blah blah. Like

0:30:55.760 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I would, I would say that, knowing what I know,

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>which is very little, a very small window into what

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>was going on in that locker room, that it felt

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>like their execution failed them more than their scheme failed them,

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>like they stopped doing the things the coaches had them

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.239
<v Speaker 1>doing all year on offense. On defense, I actually am

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>more inclined to blame the scheme. I think the switching,

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the soft switching, which if you are you know, someone

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>who listens to this podcast regularly, you know, me and

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you had our little back and forths about this over

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the year, where you wanted more resistance, you wanted more

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>physicality at the point of attack, and I was on

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>team the shell's good enough, just don't screw up. And

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we saw the limits of my point of

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>view on that in that series where the shell started

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to break. You know, the shell was more fragile against

0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>more talented teams, and you know, and then it was

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>gimmick town from there. You know, it was the three

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>too that worked for you know, a quarter or two

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and then was solved. And I do think like there

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>should be some hard looks on that end of the

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>floor about how you know, not to be reductive, but

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it does. I do wonder if the eighty if the

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>if the soft switching strategy moving its way into the

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>playoffs was an eighty two game kind of strategy. You know,

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that's a strat that works awesome against Charlotte in February

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>or even a good team in March when they're not

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>that you know, the sharpness isn't there to just beat

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>it up over and over and over again. And I'm

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>curious what you think about that.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I agree, and I know I mentioned this on the

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>last podcast, but I feel like from a defensive performance standpoint,

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've ever played better than our personnel.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Like I think people will discredit our personnel because you know,

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>some of the perimeter guys are undersize, you know, but

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>this is still a team that year over year performs

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>well in the defensive end. I think obviously the impact

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>of Evan Mobile and Jared Allen has a massive part

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>in that. But these guys are a little better than

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>they get credit for. And the thing about you know,

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the saw switch is I just feel like it's a

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>passive approach to defense. I feel like we have sat

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>back in our shell and we have trusted our personnel

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to do the work, and for the most part, they have.

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>But when you look at how teams have disrupted our offense,

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>it's by making us uncomfortable. And I think when you

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>look at the playoffs, one of the takeaways that I

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>have is depth is actually mattering. In this year's playoffs,

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>teams are running deeper rotations, and they're using those deeper

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 2>rotations to play a little more aggressive. If you're going

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to play nine to ten guys, I want those guys

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>playing really hard in those nine ten minutes. I want

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>to see you pressure full court a little bit more.

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 2>If you guys are if you're giving them breaks at

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>every you know, six minutes and you're properly using the

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>rotation like Kenny did all season, it feels like it's

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 2>low hanging fruit to be a little more aggressive when

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it comes to that end of the floor, to to

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, pressure, to to blitz a little bit more,

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 2>to to force guys out of their rhythm. Whereas when

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you're playing and you're trusting the you know, individual defense,

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and you're trusting the integrity of your defensive system, you're

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 2>giving people the matchup that they want without making them

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>work for it. They know what to expect from your

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>defense every single time up and down the court. Now,

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the defense may still be able to get those stops

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>because of the defensive personnel that you have, but if

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>they know what to expect all the time, I just

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>feel like you are not making teams uncomfortable enough. And

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's why when you saw those

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>dramatic changes, like okay, we're going to go to a

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>three to two zone here, because it was such a

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 2>dramatic deviation, it took time to you know, adjust to that.

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Where I think everything they did defensively this year they

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>could do again next year and it would be great.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>But if you're you know, if you're playing shuffle on

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Spotify when it comes to your defensive coverages and what

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you're throwing at teams and changing things up and relying

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>on your guys to be more active communicators to do that.

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's something that I would like to

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 2>see them work on throughout the regular season because I

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>think you need to practice that over eighty two games

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in order to be able to do that at a

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>championship level. And that's what indeed does. They press shuffle

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>on every playoffensively and defensively, and they are ready to

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 2>play that same style when it comes to the playoffs.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting as you're talking about that, it

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>does remind me again they did do this against Miami.

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, they did it against a less talented team,

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and so like maybe there was a little bit of

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>a like, I don't know, like over respect of the

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>pacers of like we can't get in the blender with them. Yeah,

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>but like.

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they didn't do Maybe they didn't do that against

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Indy because Donovan's banged up, Darius is out, and you know,

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, Tie's not going to be able to

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>play that style. Maybe I think the more important thing

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>is you got to practice that all season.

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, But like I guess what I'm saying is,

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>think about like the way that they said, Jarrett, we

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>want you to challenge every catch for their bigs on

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>the way out. What's to stop them from doing that

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to Pascal Siakam, to Miles Turner, especially Myles Turner who

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 1>can't dribble, like you know what, what is to stop

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>them from from playing with that kind of pressure and

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that kind of physicality on the catch? What's to stop

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>them from full court pressing? Like they just kind of

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't do any of that. You know, it was just

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 1>like all right, let Hallie chase whatever switch he wanted,

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, either get a blowby or a very clean

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:05.280
<v Speaker 1>step back, you know, rinse repeat, rinse repeat, rinse repeat

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and again. It's not like Indy absolutely murdered the Calves

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>on the offensive side of the ball. So, like I

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>am not, I don't want to over index on this

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, I do think

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.280
<v Speaker 1>they lost this series on the offensive side of the floor.

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and Andy had a one sixteen offensive rating.

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>That's not like bananas, but worse than it was against

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the Knicks. Yeah, but I do think getting it you know,

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>like that more than the sum of their parts. Thing

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>for you is just spot on, Like I don't know

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>if this defense that consistently makes teams feel them and

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think a guy like it's interesting. Remember

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>right after when Yannis said that he felt like the

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 1>Calves were a harder defense to play than okay, see yeah,

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and we kind of all puffed up our chests like, yeah,

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>we are tough, you know, and if you really like,

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, peel that back a layer or two. It's like,

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>of course, trying to beat up Jannisnatokumpo is not a

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>winning strategy, you know. And of course the team that

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>tries to beat him up, he's like, I don't care

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>about that at all. I'm the biggest, strongest, most athletic

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>guy in the league at that at beating that particular style.

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>What's hard for him is having to finish over the shell,

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you know. But like for you know, it's like, we're

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the defensive scheme is almost Taylor made to beat those

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>kinds of offenses, not you know, even the k the

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Denvers of the world. You know, think about how well

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>they guarded Denver with that style. So like, to some extent,

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>there are This is a bit of a you know,

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>this is the styles make fights thing, and a more physical,

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>violent defense isn't going to work as well against the

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee's or the Denvers of the world. But like, being

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>able to do both is pretty valuable. And I just

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know it, it's just funny to think

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>about that comment. And you know how geeked I was

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to hear him say that. It's like, yeah, that's great

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>for your honest, but it doesn't work against the Pacers,

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't always work against the Boston Celtics,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 1>you know. So, like you have to have just as

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the offense needs to think about diversifying themselves and coming

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>with all these you know, more playmaking in the front court,

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the defense really needs to put on a

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>similar cap of like how are we going to kill

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.919
<v Speaker 1>teams in eight different ways as opposed to just being

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>really really stable and solid at one.

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, this isn't to say it's a problem,

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.879
<v Speaker 2>but when the goal is winning a championship, you want

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 2>to look at where you can gain advantages in the margins. Right,

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>if we tweak our style of play on the defensive

0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>end of the court, is it going to give us

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>a large margin for error. Is it going to help

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 2>make teams more uncomfortable? And I think when it comes

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>to the you know, the soft switching, I just feel

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like we don't have the personnel that makes it necessary

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to do that. And you know, you and I aren't

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 2>lucky enough to have Synergy accounts. But Basketball Index does

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>pull a lot of that information from Synergy, and I

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>thought it was really interesting to dive into two very

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>important metrics when it comes to our perimeter defenders. And

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>those metrics are perimeter isolation defense, which is the measure

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>of how well a defender's lower shot quality and suppresses

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 2>attempts within perimeter isolation defense adjusted for the average skill

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>level of the offensive players guarded. So you know, if

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 2>someone's guarding someone for you know, twelve minutes and they

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 2>go four or five, if you're just looking at you know,

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 2>how do they shoot against them, that's not telling the

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 2>full story, right, So this actually uses that tracking data

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to see how well you not only suppress those shots,

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>but how you do in guarding those shots. What's the

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 2>outcomes there? And then the same thing goes for ball

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>screen navigation, which is the measure of how well defender

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>lower shot quality and suppresses attempts on ball screens. Again,

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 2>it is adjusted for matchup difficulty, So you know, if

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 2>someone like Jalen Brunson, who you know, gets parked on

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>an Isaac Ocoro and they don't score, you're going to

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 2>get dinged for that. In these metrics you look at

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>matchup difficulty, Brunson's in the fifth percentile in terms of

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>who he's guarding. Steph is in the eighth, Halley's in

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 2>the third, even Shay is in the fourteenth because okay, see,

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, tries to save them on that end of

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the floor. So any questions before I dive into these

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>number of cards, do do you like these stats? Do

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>you do you like the data here?

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, buddy, go ahead, Okay.

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>So the other thing I wanted to look at is,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, if we're looking at it by percentile, it's

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>great to be in the fiftieth percentile or you know,

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 2>fifty fifth percentile, you're above average, But how many are

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>actually having a positive impact when it comes to perimeter

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>isolation defense. The sixty seventh percent is the break even point,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>So two thirds of the league are having at least

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 2>a slight negative effect on perimeter isolation defense for ball

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 2>screen navigation, the break even point is the fifty nine percentile.

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So when you look at the calves, a lot of

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>their guys, when they look at the tracking data and

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the impact, you know that they actually have graded out

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 2>not only you know, above average, but positive when it

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>comes to both of these metrics. DeAndre Hunter is in

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the eighty nine percentile in isolation, seventy fifth in screen

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 2>s truce, eighty second in ISO, sixty ninth in screen okoro,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight percentile in ISO, ninety third in screen navigation.

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 2>These guys all navigate screens incredibly well. Darius Garland eighty

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>six percentile in perimeter isolation defense and eightieth percentile when

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>it comes to that screen navigation. The only guys that

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.360
<v Speaker 2>have some negative where they're below average. Sam Merrill of

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, slight negative fifty fifth percentile in isolation, but

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that's still above average. It's as a slight negative in

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>isolation that goes to show you how well he's been

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>playing on defense and that screen navigation, which we talked

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 2>about all season. We thought he did a terrific job.

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Ninety third percentile in screen navigation. The only player on

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>the roster that has a slight negative impact on both

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of those is Donovan Mitchell. He's fifty sixth in isolation

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.399
<v Speaker 2>and fifty six in screen navigation. I don't worry about

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>that as much because we've seen he can turn up

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that defense of intensity in the moments where it really counts.

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>He saves himself a little bit, and in both of

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>those metrics he's still above average when it comes to

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>league average. And then Ty Jerome seventy fourth percentile in

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>perimeter defense, forty eighth in screen navigation. So that's the

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>only spot out of all those guys where someone is

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>actually a negative below league average is Ti Jerome navigating screens.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 2>But all of these guys are capable and have been

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 2>effective when they're putting up resistance in those situations.

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I mean, on one hand, it's encouraging, and

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 1>some of those numbers are, you know, really impressive. I mean,

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>having a Hunter up there at the eighty nine, you know,

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Garland up at the eighty sixth, struce in the in

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the upper eighties or the lower eighties, I don't know

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.399
<v Speaker 1>what what's your takeaway from that, like, because like, on

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:28.720
<v Speaker 1>one hand, you see a lot more really strong ISO

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>defending numbers and some more like average screen navigation by comparison, like,

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>does that speak to they should be doing this switching

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>strategy a little more often and the numbers don't actually

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>play to what we think. I don't really agree with that,

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, what's your takeaway?

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you know, because this is the result

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>of how they played defensively last year. It backs up

0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the fact that, hey, this is actually effective.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.879
<v Speaker 2>The two things you see on the perimeter are ball

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>screens and basically isolations. So you can see ball screens

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 2>to get you to isolations, right. So that's why I'm

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 2>really looking at these two metrics. But to me, the

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 2>margins are so small when it comes to playoff basketball.

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>If you're giving a little bit of foll core press

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and that takes three seconds off of the shot clock,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a win for the defense. If you're fighting the

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 2>screen and you are okay, let's let's get Darius to

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 2>fight through these screens and navigate it. Let's get it

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 2>with Max Roofs and DeAndre Hunter. If the offense is

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>forced to rescreen multiple times to get that match up,

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and then you have confidence that if they eventually do

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>get you know, the mismatch that they want. You feel

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 2>confident that someone like Darius can you know, match up

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 2>with a Jason Tatum and at least, you know, can

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>test the shot and force them to not get to

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:52.919
<v Speaker 2>the rim. That's a positive. But because you force them

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to do two three screens, you're making them use up

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>energy on the offensive end of the floor, and I

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>think it's going to actually increase the effectiveness of these numbers.

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 2>So that that would be my argument for it is

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 2>just not conceding the matchup that the offensive team wants

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 2>so freely. You shouldn't be able to get, you know,

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Tyres Halbern onto Jared Allen that easy, and particularly when

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.240
<v Speaker 2>it comes to these guard you know, perimeter to perimeter screens.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 2>I want Boston to fight to get Jason Tatum onto

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Darius Garland. I don't want to just say, all right, Darius,

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 2>you're you're guarding Tatum on every single possession. You you've

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>guarded him more than any other player this season, Like

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 2>no player has contested more Jason Tatum shots this season

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>than Darius Garland. That shouldn't be the case. As much

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 2>as Boston wants to get that matchup.

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's all very very fair. And like

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the other thing I'll say is, so you look up

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and down that list and super impressive and you go,

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>oh man, all these guys in the eightieth percentile are better.

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Must have been a top two, top three defense, wasn't

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.919
<v Speaker 1>It was an eighth defense, you know, not horribly far

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>from you know, a top five defense, but still two

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 1>points per one hundred possessions worse than their league leading

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 1>defense two years ago. And so I do think it's

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of worth like pointing at the some of the

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>parts question, you know, because like you add all the

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>you add all those parts. If your scheme is killing

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it with all those great numbers, you would think that

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>you'd have a really really you know, shutdown defense. And

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.919
<v Speaker 1>even with even though the defense performed better this year

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 1>than last year by the numbers ranked lower but a

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 1>better defensive rating, I do feel like some of that

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>soft switching and that like lack of force on that

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>end of the floor did lead to my feeling like

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>this defense wasn't as strong as it has been in

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>years past. And I agree with that. And it's hard

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to know because the offense was so bananas that, like

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was always going to feel worse by comparison.

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 1>But I do think there's some meat on that.

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Bone for that coaching staff, and I think some of

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it might also come down to the rotation, right, Like

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>when you look at the differences between this team and

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 2>that team, we played more three guard lineups than that

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 2>team did, even though we had some undersized wings. You

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:35.280
<v Speaker 2>are playing two of the guys that were at least

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>below you know, negative impact went when it comes to

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>isolation defense and that screen navigation. Zam Merrill and ty Jerome,

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>both of those guys were playing a good amount. Like

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you look at the playoffs, zam Merrill played fifty five

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.720
<v Speaker 2>minutes where he was either playing with Darius and Tie

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Donovan or Tie or Darius and Donovan. So that's fifty

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 2>five minutes that he played small forward. You know many

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>minutes DeAndre Hunter played with Darius and Donovan at small forward. Six.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about nine times more that you're playing a

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 2>three guard lineup with Samuel at small ford. And to

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 2>his credit, those lineups were effective even in the playoffs,

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 2>they were effective. But my thing is, if you're going

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:19.840
<v Speaker 2>to make yourself feel different on the defensive end of

0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the floor, you got to change some of that stuff.

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>You can't have a three guard lineup where you know,

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 2>if Indy goes to a three guard lineup, that's a

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys that can create you know, there's a

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of ball movement and stuff like that. When you

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.839
<v Speaker 2>had Donovan and Darius limited and Sam's not able to

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 2>initiate offense, that's a three guard lineup without you know,

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the typical offense of characteristics that you would expect to

0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:42.720
<v Speaker 2>come along with a three guard lineup.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And also Tie just I mean, was just a

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 1>total pumpkin in that series. Like you know, I think

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it makes it all feel a lot worse up and down,

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and like Tie is probably the only kind of exception

0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I would say to the rule of like of the

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:04.240
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff rolling downhill kind of theory with role players,

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I think he was just bad at an individual level,

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:08.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like.

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I understand you think it's something he can learn from.

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand that, Like you know, down the roster,

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes the role player output is symptomatic of you know,

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>your stars not being there. Like I just think Ty

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 1>just had a bad series, which I honestly think there's

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.959
<v Speaker 1>more peace in that and more data to learn from

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>in that like and also and like for me, I

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 1>feel like he'll you know, the chance of him having

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 1>a series like that again. I actually feel really strong

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 1>that he's going to figure it out and learn from

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 1>this about like what it means to be on a

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:47.919
<v Speaker 1>Rick Carlisle scout and and just you know, and play better.

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Like again, he kind of found his footing at the

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 1>end of Game five where he finally was able to

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>start making a bit of an impact again. So it's

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:58.320
<v Speaker 1>funny with how good he was against Indian in the

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 1>regular season time now, so it's I just can't think

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>get past the three guard thing and you know, the

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 1>sam at the three thing. Does it? Are we just

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>being dumb jerks because the lineup data was good in

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>both instances, and if everything else was going better, it

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 1>would just be fine.

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I should clarify my point. I'm not

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>saying that this is a problem. I'm saying if we

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 2>want to change how it feels to play against the

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Cavaliers, that's something that you have to consider. And honestly,

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I would be fine with both of those guys back

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 2>on the you know, on the roster next season. I

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 2>just think that maybe that's one of those, you know,

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>considerations you have to have going into free agency, where

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 2>you know the pitch might be, hey, there's some games

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to play because we're trying to play

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit bigger. We're trying to change up how

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 2>we're playing at the small forward position. Because Sam Merrill

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 2>he played way better than any of my expectations. I

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>don't think that guy deserves any blame, whether it's him

0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 2>playing at small ford or not. Like he played. You

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>look at Cleaning the Glass and says seventy three percent

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of his minutes came at small forward this season. I

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 2>think he held up incredibly well there.

0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>He held up.

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Incredibly well in the regular season, he held up well

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs. He did a great job defensively, you

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>know on guys like Tyler Hero, he stepped up. I

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think he deserves any blame for how this season went.

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like, hey, there might have to be

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 2>a decision when you're prioritizing what moves you can make

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>in a very limited apron world, are you going to

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>have to choose between these two? Because if the decision

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 2>is hey, maybe rotationally yes, well rotationally yes, but both

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.279
<v Speaker 2>of these guys are free agents, which is why I

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 2>think this is actually a conversation because if the decision

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 2>ends up being, hey, we're going to let Tye walk,

0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 2>We'll find you know, another veteran backup point guard. But

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 2>we're bringing back Sam Merrill and he's coming in as

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, the shooting guard, and Donovan Mitchell is back

0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to being the backup point guard. I'm one hundred percent

0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.720
<v Speaker 2>fine with that. If the decision is, hey, we're bringing

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Tie back. He gives us so much much juicy, makes

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 2>us better in the regular season. We believe he can

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 2>learn from it. I'm great with that. If you bring

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>both and back and the pitches, hey, there's going to

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>be some nights you're not playing, it's going to be

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a little more tenuous. And both of them buy into

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that and they're willing to sacrifice for the team. That

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 2>is a huge bonus because both of these guys were

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 2>terrific for the Calves.

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, it's going to be pretty interesting

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>because I think both have earned their way back to

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there have been there have been pending

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>free agents that I'm you know, happy to help walk,

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, help happy to help drive to the airport.

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Over the history of this Calves team, you know guys

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:45.879
<v Speaker 1>that you go, even if you had a good time

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 1>with them, it was you know, it was like you

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 1>knew it was just time for a change. Like you know,

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Jetty was like that. I really loved Jetty as a cavalier,

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 1>but like you knew, it kind of run its course

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and it was time to try something else. I don't

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 1>feel that way about Sam or Tie. But if you're

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>looking to like change the alchemy of the roster a

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit, it's pretty hard to change it that much

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:15.240
<v Speaker 1>with like your only two free agents and just bringing

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>them back, especially with trades as challenging as they're going

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to be, So like that even isn't going to be

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a even it's going to be a consideration where it's

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 1>like we're happy with both of you, we'd love both

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of you back, but we just don't want to be

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>so the same for the third or fourth year in

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a row.

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>It goes back to why I said before, Right, we

0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:37.800
<v Speaker 2>have an undersized backcourt because Donald Mitchell is an undersized

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 2>shooting guard. I am okay with that, because he is

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 2>our best player. He is terrific. We need to have

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.879
<v Speaker 2>you know that point guard and you know, you look

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 2>at if I look at you know that data for

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:53.439
<v Speaker 2>perimeter isolation defense and ball screen defense, what guards six

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 2>four or over are positive defenders in the entire NBA.

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Here's the list, Drew Holiday, Jalen Suggs, Anthony Black, and

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Brown.

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 3>That's why we got to get Jalen Suggs justin right,

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 3>if you look at point guards six one or taller

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.879
<v Speaker 3>that are positive defenders, so Garland's height or more.

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Obviously those four still count there. The only additions are

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Gabe Vincent obviously, Darius, Maxie, Peyton Pritchard, Isaiah Collier, and

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Scottie Pippen Jr. It's a short damn list, Like, honestly, it's.

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 3>A is it?

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just Collier? Yeah, I don't know why

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I went Frank.

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Canadian, Canadian, you're too closed.

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it's it's not a long list. And

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 2>when you look at those guys, like Maxie's the only

0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.440
<v Speaker 2>one that you're like, okay, Like he can generate a

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of offense, he can he has a usage you

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 2>know that that is comparable to Darius, and Darius had

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a better season than him. None of these, Like you

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>look at those six four guys, none of them can

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:56.759
<v Speaker 2>run an offense, Like Drew doesn't have that in his

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 2>game anymore. Anthony black Shirt doesn't it r thing right,

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Johannest would take a big part of that responsibility. So

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.520
<v Speaker 2>like when you look at this combination of usage and

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 2>also like the results of how you did defensively, Darius

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 2>is one of the only guys that actually fits that description.

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And I you know, I think part of the perception

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 2>is because we can see the sauce witch. It's hey,

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 2>they're hunting Darius. They're getting the matchup they want, and

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter how he holds up in those situations.

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the point guard is going to be involved in

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, these types of matchups. And you know, I

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:37.480
<v Speaker 2>said how these stats factor in matchup difficulty? Right, and

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 2>how you know Brunson Steph Hallie say, they're all you

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 2>know down there, Darius is in the sixty nine percentile

0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 2>for matchup difficulty, Like they they trust him in all

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.759
<v Speaker 2>these situations. They don't hide him on the defensive end

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.799
<v Speaker 2>of the floor. You look at matchup difficulty, obviously the

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:59.080
<v Speaker 2>leader z Okoro ninety second. Then it goes Max, Wade Hunter,

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>all of them are fifth or above. Then it's Allan,

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not surprised Alan is ahead of MOBILEI because

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.200
<v Speaker 2>we will put Mobiley on a weaker offensive player and

0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.719
<v Speaker 2>let him roam. You see the same thing with Draymond's

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:14.240
<v Speaker 2>matchup difficulty. Then it's Sam Merrill at the forty first percentile,

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Mobiley's forty seventh. I skipped him, and then Donovan is

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourth percentile. So Donovan's the guy that we're resting.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that's correct because he carries such a big load.

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>But it's not like Darius is hiding. It's not like

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 2>he's you know, it's not like we aren't tasking him

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 2>with these matchups. You look at who he covered the most.

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:34.959
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, you know, covered a lot of Tatum, it's

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Trey Young, it's LaMelo Ball, it's the point guards, it's

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 2>these lead initiators. He's been trusted in these situations and

0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>he's held up really well.

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think to your point though, about the you know,

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>about you know, giving up those off switches a little less,

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, easily. It's like, yeah, I don't have to

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>hide Darius, but I don't need to like put him

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>on the firing line over and over and over again.

0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Either no, no, And I think I think you see,

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.680
<v Speaker 2>like in those Boston matchups, I think part of why

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 2>he's not as efficient is and you see he misses

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of open shots in those games. I think

0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 2>part of why he isn't as efficient is he's being

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 2>worn out on the offensive end. I think we did

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with Steph Curry in the finals, where

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.520
<v Speaker 2>you would see him missshots that he would normally make

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and he would wear down because we're trying to involve

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 2>him so much defensively. So if we make it a

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 2>little bit harder, I think it's going to make life easier.

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think that this is a roster capable of

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 2>doing that. I got one more stat for you, Carter,

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>because I love this one. Shout out Seth Park now

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>for coming up with a stat. He has a true

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 2>usage rate, So this is your normal usage possession usage rate,

0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 2>which for those that aren't familiar, usage rate is any

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 2>possession that ends with you either turning the ball over

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 2>or taking a shot, so the possession ends with you.

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>True usage is those two stats. Also adding in any

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 2>time you create an assist opportunity, so if a shot

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 2>ends with you taking a shot, or if a possession

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 2>ends with you taking a shot, turning the ball over

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 2>or passing to someone that's taking a shot. Darius twenty

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:15.080
<v Speaker 2>second in the league with a true usage rate of

0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 2>forty nine percent, so when he's on the court, almost

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 2>fifty fifty of the possessions are ending with him either

0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 2>taking a shot, turning it over, or creating an assist opportunity.

0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 2>There are three players in the league with a true

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:33.520
<v Speaker 2>usage rate that high and a positive impact on the

0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 2>defensive end when it comes to perimeter defensive ball screen navigation.

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Those players are Franz Wagner, Arrius Garland, and Devin Booker.

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Pretty good peers, you know.

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Like, I just think too much has been made out of,

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to to bring in, you know, a

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 2>low usage defensive wing. I don't want to increase the

0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:59.840
<v Speaker 2>usage on Donovan. I think that he and Darius pair

1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:03.320
<v Speaker 2>really well together. I think that mobile taking on a

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>larger share of the offensive load is really important. After that,

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 2>after those three, I'm open to suggestions, man, Like, I'm

1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:14.240
<v Speaker 2>open to seeing what this team can do. But I

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 2>just think that people are misdiagnosing what some of the

1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 2>issues are based on what their preconceived notions were of

1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:23.760
<v Speaker 2>this roster and what the issues are. Obviously, we have

1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:26.960
<v Speaker 2>concerns when it comes to health. I think if that

1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:29.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't line up next year and it recurs again, I

1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 2>think you got to have some really hard conversations about

1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:34.720
<v Speaker 2>both of the guards if both of them are in

1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that spot once again. But I just think that this

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 2>team is talented. It fits incredibly well together. And as

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Kobe said, you know in his end of season presser,

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:45.880
<v Speaker 2>if I didn't blow it up after last year, why

1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:47.040
<v Speaker 2>would I do it this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, and I tend to agree. Obviously. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>keep keep your offictions open. See if anyone, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>walks you into a great outcome, you know, thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>out what we thought we'd have to give up for

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<v Speaker 1>a DeAndre Hunter and what we gave up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>super super disparate outcomes there. So you got to keep hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to keep looking, and you got to be

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<v Speaker 1>an icy dude sometimes. But you know, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a difference between keeping your mind open and thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>ways to get better and you know, hitting a panic button.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like the ORG is ready to do uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to do the latter, and so to that end, really

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing they can look at is their performance

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<v Speaker 1>is their scheme, because I don't think this organization thinks

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<v Speaker 1>they have a talent problem. You know, whether they're right

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<v Speaker 1>or not, I guess we'll find out. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>both on the answer being no. That means that the

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<v Speaker 1>scheme and the execution has to get better or or

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to, you know, start looking like a talent

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<v Speaker 1>problem real fast. Totally agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, the core of what we

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<v Speaker 2>want some up is we want the Calves to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to impose their will and impose the style of

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<v Speaker 2>the game on both ends of the floor. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like some of these tweaks are so that

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<v Speaker 2>you're just a little less passive when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the style of play. I want the Calves to be

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that make the game feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Cavalier game of basketball. And I felt like in

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<v Speaker 2>that series that was Anna Pacers basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. And I mean, and it's been the problem all

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<v Speaker 1>through the playoffs of this entire tenure. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>am I going to pretend like I'm as sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to figure out how to do this as

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<v Speaker 1>I was two years ago. I'm not, you know, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I keep leaning towards I just don't have

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<v Speaker 1>better ideas just yet, you know, Like I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that I believe in more than I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in this skit, this team figuring it out. But like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they are are. I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go into this next season's playoffs with you know, dubious

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<v Speaker 1>grains of salt poured on on whatever they do in

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season because of these you know, these identity slips.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll call them. I think that's warranted. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the way basketball has always worked in my

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<v Speaker 1>entire time watching it as a fan. You know, doubts, people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, picking apart the team, coming up with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, crazy shake up ideas, stuff like that. That

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<v Speaker 1>just comes with the territory. And I'm with you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to not look at that occurring again and

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<v Speaker 1>not have that be a concern. But to me, the

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<v Speaker 1>counterbalance to that is the biggest question that we had,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the most important thing was is Evan

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<v Speaker 1>mobily capable of taking the leap and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he's already made, you know, the what I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest leap that he needed to make. That gives

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot of confidence that that was so such

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<v Speaker 1>an important piece that if there wasn't that, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a little.

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<v Speaker 2>More I'd be a lot more freaked out about how

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<v Speaker 2>this season ended.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is indeed a good team.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree that the talent is absolutely there. They

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<v Speaker 2>just need to be able to do what they do

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