1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 2: They say is the Bloomberg Daybreak You're Up podcast, available 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: the third of December in London. I'm Stephen Carroll and. 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 3: I'm Caroline Hepka. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Coming up today. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: France's government could collapse as soon as tomorrow after opposition 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: parties found no confidence motions over the country's budgets. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: As SpaceX's valuation heads for the Moon, Elon Musk's one 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: hundred billion dollar Tesla paypack at crash Lands thanks to 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: a Delaware judge. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: Plus a special report on the chronic financial and technical 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: problems that have repeatedly delayed the EU's biometric border system. 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: France's government is on the brink of collapse after opposition 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: lawmakers filed two motions of no confidence in the administration 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: of Prime Minister Michelle Barnier. Mary Lapenn's National Rally and 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: a Leftis to Lion have both called votes, which could 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: happen as early as tomorrow evening. Together, they have enough 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: members of the National Assembly to topple the government. Barnier 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: appeals to his fellow politicians for their support. 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: Fix this bill is now here. Now is the time 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: to act implement. I believe we've now reached a moment 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: of truth which confronts everyone with their responsibilities. It's now 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: up to you, members of the Parliament of the Nation, 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: to decide whether our country adopts responsible financial texts essential 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 4: and useful to our fellows citizens. 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: Michelle Vargnier speaking there in the National Assembly, invoking a 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: constitutional override to force his social security budget through Parliament, 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: which then triggered the confidence votes. The government must adopt 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: a budget by the end of the year or use 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: an untested emergency law to avoid a shutdown. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: Well, France's political uncertainty is putting French bonds and stocks 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: under renewed selling pressure. The spread between French and German 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: borrowing costs widened to eighty nine basis points on Monday. 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: That's close to the most since twenty twelve. In Steely 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: International Fixed Income CIO at JP Morgan Asset Management says 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: the risk is too high. 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 5: I think at the moment you've got to be probably 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 5: probably standing on the sidelines, because ultimately what we're seeing 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 5: is unprecedented. It looks like we're going to have a 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 5: collapse of the government. 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: You know. 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 5: It calls in questions about what budget is likely to 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 5: be able to occur next year. Yes, the spreads are 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 5: very wide at the moment, and the hitting levels that 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 5: we saw back in the peripheral Eurozone crisis. But actually, 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 5: when I look at just European debt in general, I 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 5: think there's just some much better stories out there. 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: In Steely they're speaking to Billimbag television. The French budget bill, 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: initially presented by the Prime Minister Michelle Barnier's government, sought 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: to reduce France's deficit to five percent of economic output 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five through sixty billion euros of tax 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: increases and spending cuts, but the Budget Minister, Laurence Saint 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: Martin told Laparisia newspaper over the weekend that the national 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 3: rallies demands to amend the budget would cost nearly ten 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: billion euros. 58 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: The UK can have a close relationship with both the 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: US and the EU, according to the Prime Minister. In 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: a keynote speech on foreign affairs of the Lord Mayor's 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: annual Banquet in Central London, Kirs Starmer emphasized the importance 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: of working with both to serve the UK's national interest. 63 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 6: Against the backdrop of these dangerous times. The idea that 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 6: we must choose between our allies so somehow we're with 65 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 6: either America or Europe is plain wrong. I reject it utterly. 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: Kirs Starmer also used his speech to express support for 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Ukraine in its conflict with Russia and suggest the UK 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: should engage with the wider range of countries, including China. 69 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: The comments from the British Prime Minister come as some 70 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: have voiced concern that President elect Donald try Trump's plans 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: to ramp up tariffs will drive a wedge between the allies. Overnight, 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: Trump said that he would nominate investment banker Warren Stevens 73 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: to be the US ambassador to the UK, tapping a 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: prominent Republican donor and businessman for a prime diplomatic post. 75 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: Fed policymakers say that they expect to continue cutting interest 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: rates over the next year, but won't commit to a 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: cut this month. Three Federal Reserve officials shared their thoughts 78 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: on the path ahead on Monday. Here is Governor Christopher 79 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: Waller at present. 80 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 7: I lean towards supporting a cut to the policy rate at. 81 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 8: Our December meeting. 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: That decision will depend on whether data that we received 83 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: before then surprises to the upside and alters my forecast 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: for the path of inflation. 85 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: Governor Christopher Waller's comments were echoed by New York FED 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: President John Williams and his counterpart from Atlanta, Raphael Bostig, 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 3: who said that economic conditions merit more cuts, but stop 88 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: short of saying that they favor a December. FED officials 89 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: will gather for their next meeting on the seventeenth and 90 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: eighteenth of this month. 91 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: Israel's military says the country remains obligated to a US 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: backed ceasefire after carrying out airstrikes in Lebanon on Monday. 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: The strike came after Hisbellah fired a rocket at an 94 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: Israeli military site in a disputed area near the borders 95 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: with Lebanon and Syria. The fragile ceasefire between the two 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: sides has been in place for less than a week 97 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: and suspended more than a year of hostilities that had 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: raged in parallel to the Israel Hamas war in Gaza. 99 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: SpaceX is in discussions to sell insider shares that could 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: boost the value of Elon Musk's rocket and satellite company 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: to around three hundred and fifty billion dollars, according to 102 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: people familiar with the matter, Conversations are ongoing and the 103 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: details of a potential transaction could change depending on interest 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: from sellers and buyers. However, if it moves forwards, it 105 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: would cement SpaceX's status is the most vaidvaluable private startup 106 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 3: in the world. The potential valuation surge underscores the enormous 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: gains that Musk's empire has seen since the US presidential election. 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: Tesla shares are up by more than forty percent since 109 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: the fifth of November, with the Bloomberg Billionaires Index now 110 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: putting Elon Musk's wealth at more than three hundred and 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: fifty billion US dollars. 112 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 8: But it's not all good news. 113 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: The world's richest person, Elon Musk's record setting multi billion 114 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: dollar Tesla pay package has again been rejected by a 115 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: Delaware course. That's despite shareholders supporting its reinstatement. 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 8: More from Bloomberg's Charlie Palace, Tesla says that will appeal. 117 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 8: Despite the June thirteenth shareholder vote at the company's annual meeting, 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 8: a Delaware chance re Court judge decided to stick with 119 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 8: her original finding in January that the company's board was 120 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 8: too much under the influence of a billionaire entrepreneur when 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 8: it adopted the plan in twenty eighteen, the stock options 122 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 8: package was initially worth two point six billion, in spite 123 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 8: of fifty six billion by the time the judge canceled it. 124 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 8: McCormick's ruling, striking down the largest ever pay arrangement for 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 8: a US corporate executive, could take a giant bite out 126 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 8: of Musk's wealth. In New York, Charlie Pellet, Bloomberg Radio. 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: And those are our top stories for you this morning. 128 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: Let's check on the markets then, after the S and 129 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: P five hundred yesterday notched up another record close, Yes, 130 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: another one fifty fourth record closed, just shy of six 131 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: thousand and fifty. US stop futures this morning are a 132 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: little bit brighter, up by about a tenth of one percent. 133 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: US stock fifty futures. They're gaining four tenths this morning. 134 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: You also do have gains in Asian equity trading, so 135 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: the NICKK TY two five up by two percent, heading 136 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: for the best day in a month. This is II 137 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: three hundred. They're only seeing again of three tenths of 138 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: one percent. As for the dollar, again, we are back 139 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: on the front foot for the green back, up a 140 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: tenth of one percent. As for the euro this morning 141 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: trading slightly softer, but of course heightened likelihood of a 142 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: government collapse in France. Weighing on that and brain Crude 143 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: futures currently has three tenths of one percent seventy two 144 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: dollars zero nine. 145 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: Those are the markets and the moment. We'll bring you 146 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: more in the political turmoil in France, plus new documents 147 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: seen by Bloomberg that reveal the problems behind the scenes 148 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: of the EU's new biometric border system. The story that 149 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: caught her eye this morning. We're counting down to the 150 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: official reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris this weekend. 151 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump says that he's going to be traveling to attend. 152 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: He had been invited, so that's not entirely a surprise, 153 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: but nonetheless it's going to be quite the big international affair. 154 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 8: We are going to be. 155 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 2: Seeing, you know, quite quite a lot of famous names 156 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: and faces. 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: Apparently fifty heads of state or government are going to 158 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: be at the official reopening of Notre Dame. Of course, 159 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 3: five years after the devastating far in twenty nineteen. I'm 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: sure you were living in Paris at the time, you 161 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: must have been, you know, thinking about that in terms 162 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: of the restoration though. Actually it's President of Menu in 163 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: Macont who was one of the to enter not to 164 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: dam and they've been already pictures of this bright light 165 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: cathedral that's been brought back to life, in part by 166 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: huge amounts of money that were raised from some of 167 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: the richest, wealthiest and best known French citizens. 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, the amount of money that's been poured into 169 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: this kind of around eight hundred million euros and fact 170 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: of donations to restore the cathedral. The pictures inside it 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: do look pretty impressive to see how much has been 172 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: done to restore it. And I'm sure many people in 173 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: that part of the city and those visiting as well 174 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: will be happy to be able to get a look 175 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: inside it again after it's been under construction. But in 176 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: many ways it's remarkable how quickly they've been able to 177 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: restore such a historic building to its former glory in 178 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: the five years since the fire. 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely going to be a whole series of big 180 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: events before actually visitors and worshippers can get back into 181 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: the cathedral starting at the weekend. 182 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 8: Now we're going to stay in France. 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: Now, Michelle Bonnier has tried to bypass Parliament to pass 184 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: his social security finale and saying bail. Two no confidence 185 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: votes are now on the books. That could happen as 186 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: early as tomorrow. Let's get the latest from Paris. Our 187 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: French Ackey market supporter Julian Pontius joins us for more. Julian, 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: good morning. What more timing involved here? When might these 189 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: votes happen and how likely are there to be passed? 190 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 7: We're thinking probably Wednesday night, Wednesday evening, maybe on Thursday. 191 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 8: That's not set yet. 192 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 7: There is very, very very little hope that Bana's government 193 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 7: will survive these votes. When you look at the number 194 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 7: of MPs from the opposition, you're over three hundred, well 195 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 7: over three hundred. So it's really hard to see how 196 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 7: he could escape the feet on that one. 197 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: Okay, what happens if the French government falls, Julia, If 198 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: that happens this week and then there's no budget in 199 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: place until January. 200 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 7: Well, there's a number of options. There's nothing that prevents 201 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 7: President Marcon of reappointing. Could also leave Bangne as a 202 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 7: caretaker government looking for a new prime minister, a new government. 203 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 7: There are provisions in the French constitution that you allow 204 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 7: the government to keep on spending, paying the civil servants, 205 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 7: paying social welfare pensions, et cetera. But at the end 206 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 7: of the day, eventually a solution, sustainable solution will need 207 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 7: to be found. But there's no risk of a shutdown, 208 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 7: a US style shutdown. But that doesn't mean there's no 209 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 7: tension on the bond market, on the euro, on the 210 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 7: stock market. We're really in unsharted territory here. 211 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Talk us through what we've seen so far on markets 212 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: and why are the risks lie in this uncertain period 213 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: for markets. 214 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 7: Well, yesterday a bit of a surprise was the French 215 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 7: stock market ended in the green in positive territory. You 216 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 7: would have expected more stress, but then again a lot 217 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 7: of it has been priced. The French stock market has 218 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 7: done really horribly this year. It's down roughly five percent 219 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 7: when the stock six hundred is like up five six 220 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 7: Percent's ten percent gap, which is quite used. It's the 221 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 7: worst year of the French market since the twenty twelve crisis. 222 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 7: I mean in comparison to its European Peers. The main 223 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 7: reaction yesterday was on the euro. The euro lost about 224 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 7: one percent, so that was really where the market action was. 225 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 7: In terms of the bond market, the spread is high, 226 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 7: that's true with Germany, it's close to ninety and it's 227 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 7: like also more or less at the levels it was 228 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 7: during the sovereign crisis. But a good news if this 229 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 7: year has good news. The tenure the French ten years 230 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 7: is under three percent on a great scheme of things 231 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 7: is not much so in terms of refinancing cost of 232 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 7: like really like a financial crisis, you're still at a 233 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 7: level which is not you know, worrying. The spread is worrying. 234 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 7: The fact that ten year traits at the same level 235 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 7: as Greece is worrying. But all in all it's less 236 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 7: than three percent. It's it's still reasonable. 237 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: So Jerdian, do you think it's becoming a Eurozone crisis? 238 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 3: What would the best outcome now be for markets as 239 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: we think about twenty twenty five. 240 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 7: Well, the best upcome right now is by you know, 241 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 7: Barnier or Marcon being able to convince the little group 242 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 7: of socialists you know, like sixty of them not to 243 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 7: vote to abstain and to save the Baalnie government seems unlikely, 244 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 7: but it's one of the only ways for Balnie to 245 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 7: survive this. Then there are a lot of options, but 246 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 7: the main problem is that you cannot have elections general 247 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 7: elections for the summer. So whatever you do, you're stuck 248 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 7: with a parliament that is divided in three fiercely of 249 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 7: botes factions that left the center and the far right, 250 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 7: and it's really hard to see how they, you know, 251 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 7: you can pull out a coalition from there. So I 252 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 7: would think maybe a caretaker government, maybe a technical government 253 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 7: with you know, someone like equivalent of Dragy, what Prime 254 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 7: Minister drag he did in Italy, and then wait it 255 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 7: out till you can have fresh elections in the summer. 256 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 7: Of course, there's one taboo at the moment it is 257 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 7: you know Macon. You know, no one is really thinking 258 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 7: he will resign at this point, but you know, after 259 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 7: a while, if the financial conditions really do would deteriorate, 260 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 7: maybe people will start thinking, well, maybe the solution would 261 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 7: be for him to resign. 262 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: Okay, well, certainly an interesting few days ahead for you. 263 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us Udian Pontous for 264 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: our French equity reporter. There joining US from Paris. Another 265 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: story from Europe. 266 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: Now, the European Union has pushed back the start of 267 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: its smart border system until next year. 268 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 9: Now. 269 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: This is the fourth delay in five years. New documents 270 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: seen by Bloomberg show a consortium involving the French tech 271 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: firm at US is at the center of many of 272 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: the problems. Joining US now is Bloomberg Technology edit via 273 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: Solon to explain great to have you on Olivia. What 274 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,239 Speaker 3: is the Entry Exit System supposed to do in Europe? 275 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be a large scale life t project 276 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: that's meant to make border control an EU issue rather 277 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: than a national issue. At the moment, like, the EU 278 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: has no good kind of automated way of tracking how 279 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: long people from outside the EU without visas stay inside 280 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: the block. You know, when someone comes into a country 281 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: within the EU, the individual country will stamp their passport 282 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: when they arrive, but then they have no way of 283 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: knowing whether people travel to other EU countries and when 284 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: or if they leave. So what EES does is integrates 285 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: the immigration systems of every EU country and then registers 286 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: and checks the biometric data of people, their faces and 287 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: their fingerprints as they go in and out of the 288 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: EU and so in theory, this is supposed to better 289 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: measure irregular migration, reduce identity fraud, and ultimately help secure 290 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: the EU's borders. 291 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: Has the launch date been delayed so many times? 292 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know, is a complex IT project, and public 293 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: IT projects are often delayed. But the documents that we've 294 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: seen do show that the consortium involving ATOS was a 295 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: bit of a mess. You know, ATOS itself is going 296 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: through a lot of challenges at the moment. It's got 297 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: a lot of debt, it's had to be effectively bailed 298 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: out by its creditors. And according to the documents and 299 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: the people we spoke to over the years, ATOS and 300 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the other consortium members missed pretty much every deadline. At 301 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: the beginning, they partially installed equipment, misplaced part they took 302 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: weeks to fix bugs in software, and they were sending 303 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: teams with just little experience, at least according to the 304 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: documents we've seen. And then the consortium itself just couldn't 305 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: get along. The other members were IBM and Italian firm 306 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Defense firm Leonardo, who was doing the the security that 307 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: the EU agency responsible for project called EU Lisa had 308 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: to set up like emergency daily meetings to try and 309 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: move the project along, and what would happen was the 310 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: consortium members would just argue among themselves in front of 311 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: their client. So yeah, it just seemed to be a 312 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: sort of comedy of errors of a public procurement project. 313 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: Oh dear the knock on effects though, what have those 314 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: been in terms of you know, what the delays have done? 315 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's supposed to be a kind of backbone system 316 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: onto which they can kind of peg other immigration systems. 317 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: So every delay to ES means delays to all these 318 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: other systems. For example, there's like a two hundred million 319 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: euro visa waiver system called there's a bit like the 320 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Esther when you go into the US, and that can't 321 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: launch until ES is launched. And the agency responsible for 322 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: that system, called Frontechs, had hired like one hundred and 323 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: thirty people ready and raring to work on this project 324 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: and they've now had to be reassigned. And that seems 325 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: to be happening at borders in Member states as well, 326 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: where they've hired a bunch of people ready to deploy 327 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: the system, which was last scheduled to launch in November, 328 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: and then in October they suddenly changed their mind and said, actually, 329 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: we're not going to launch until twenty twenty five. 330 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: Is there any recourse for the EU agency that's paying 331 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: for all of this given the delays? 332 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: The contract does allow the agency to charge damages for 333 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: missed milestones, and there's lots of discussion about that in 334 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: the documents we've seen. And there are also additional costs 335 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: that were incurred because of the delays, for extra fees 336 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: for software licenses that had to be extended longer than expected, 337 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: and the agency could sue for compensation for these costs, 338 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: and that again is discussed in the documents. But so 339 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: far I don't think either of those things have happened. 340 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 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