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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. What are your favorite children's books. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Roll Doll scary stories to tell in the dark kind

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Speaker 1: of guy myself. What about you, man? Yeah, Nol was

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Speaker 1: my name, and I too, as a Roll Doll fan,

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Speaker 1: I ate that stuff up and it sounds cliche, but

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Speaker 1: those really were the books that kind of taught me

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Speaker 1: how to love to read, because he's just such He's

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Speaker 1: such a I don't know, what do you call it,

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Speaker 1: like a fabulous like his stories just have so many

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Speaker 1: great characters, and they always go somewhere interesting and there's

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Speaker 1: like a morality tale kind of but it's not too

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Speaker 1: heavy handed, and I don't know, it's a little trippy

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Speaker 1: and and there's darkness and there's steaks, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I just I loved Roll Doll so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh yep, that's right. I forgot. I'm ben Bowen that

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Speaker 1: I still have a name in the times of quarantine. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I am with you. There No one thing that

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Speaker 1: I thought was so interesting as a kid is that

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Speaker 1: I always, for years thought Roll Doll's name was misspelled.

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Speaker 1: It was a typo. I thought it was Ronald Doll

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Speaker 1: uh and that was missing. But there is this great

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Speaker 1: darkness to his work. Shout out to George's Marvelous Medicine.

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Speaker 1: I believe it is the title. The entire story is

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Speaker 1: about this kid who has to give his grandmother medicine

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Speaker 1: while his parents are away at the market or something

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Speaker 1: for a day, and the whole book is about how

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Speaker 1: he plans to kill her through poison. It is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I reread it still holds up. Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Witches is genuinely terrified. But we're not talking about roll

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Speaker 1: Doll today. We already did that episode, remember when he

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Speaker 1: was like a badass fighter pilot and possibly the real

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Speaker 1: life um guy that James Bond was based on, because

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Speaker 1: he definitely hung out with Ian Fleming. Uh. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good one from the back catalog, folks. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard that one, I definitely would check it out.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about a markedly less dark beloved piece

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Speaker 1: of children's literature about a monkey and a man in

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Speaker 1: a in a yellow hat. Yes, an inquisitive man. Uh,

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Speaker 1: an inquisitive monkey and a tolerant authoritarian. How about that

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Speaker 1: before we be getting shout out. Of course they're super producer.

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Speaker 1: Casey Pegrum's still rocking that retro windows background. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: case I'm just I'm just loving this green field and

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Speaker 1: in blue sky. You know, it's there's nothing better, So

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna roll with it. Is

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Speaker 1: there like vapor wave of music playing on repeat, just

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Speaker 1: the green grass. Absolutely, it's uh, it's it's it's quite

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Speaker 1: a thing. You guys have to experience it firsthand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looks pretty pretty trippy, my friend. Yeah, they're better

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Speaker 1: be some vape way of going on over there. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is a story about Curious George. About the creators

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Speaker 1: of Curious George. You know, as you said, no, that's

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Speaker 1: an inquisitive little primate. Uh. Now he is famous, especially

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Speaker 1: in the West. He's known the world over. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: was the brainchild of a Jewish German couple named Hans

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Speaker 1: and Margaret Ray. That's right, um, Hans and Margaret Ray.

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Speaker 1: Hans being the illustrator and Margaret being the writer, lived

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Speaker 1: in Rio de Janeira in the nineteen thirties and there

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Speaker 1: became the inspiration for a character they created named FIEFI,

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Speaker 1: who has described in a Lovely Mental Phloss article as

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Speaker 1: an impish, inquisitive monkey. I love impish, I also like puckish.

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Speaker 1: But they eventually moved to Paris to when the Nazis

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Speaker 1: their lives, carrying with them the manuscripts for the story

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Speaker 1: picture a world without Curious George UM tucked under their

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Speaker 1: story of how that story Curious George came to be

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Speaker 1: the Rays made that intensely dangerous and brave escape from

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Speaker 1: Nazi occupied France. Yes, yeah, and we're we're going to

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Speaker 1: uh start with some background. Let's start in lighter times, right,

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Speaker 1: less heavy hearted times. Hans Augusto Ray was born in

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Speaker 1: So fast forward a little bit, Hans moves in ninety four.

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Speaker 1: a roving plumbing fixtures salesman. He was going, this is

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Speaker 1: so weird. It sounds like something from a Kurt Vonnegut

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Speaker 1: or Donald Barthelmey story. He was writing up and down

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Speaker 1: I missed the old days of the traveling salesman. Don't

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Speaker 1: you been? Feels like a bygone era? You know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do you guys ever see that documentary about the globesmen. No,

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Speaker 1: great documentaries and documentaries out there about the harrowing life

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Speaker 1: even in the heyday. But check out documentary now if

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, it's, uh, it's fantastic. Have you

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Speaker 1: guys seen that? It seems like you would have. I've

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Speaker 1: seen I've seen multiple episodes. I haven't seen that one.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Sondheim, the musical one looks like in the seventies

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Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, just feverishly smoking cigarettes like

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, so to the point he's he's living this

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Speaker 1: All of the contemporary accounts of them are very kind

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, picture, dear listeners, the face

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Speaker 1: up and down that Hans modeled the face of Curious

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Speaker 1: he intended it as an homage rather than some kind

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Speaker 1: it part of his name. But as you know historians,

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Speaker 1: found themselves in a terrible situation. The Nazi Party was

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Speaker 1: then things start to go south. Yeah, it's it's that

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Speaker 1: George soundtrack. UM. So thanks to the raise for for

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Speaker 1: happy to know their legacy continues. There's seventy five million

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Speaker 1: Curious George went on to have many other close calls

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Speaker 1: that were thankfully fictional. Thanks, as always for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode. And we want to

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Speaker 1: hear about your favorite children's stories or young adult books.

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Speaker 1: Uh and you know, maybe there's an interesting story behind

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Speaker 1: my quarantine adventures or misadventures sort of like a Curious Monkey, UM,

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Speaker 1: so much about. You know, he's just gonna come in

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Speaker 1: and wreck the party. Hues Thanks to super producer Casey Pegram.

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Speaker 1: As always, thanks to Alex Williams for composing our theme.

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Speaker 1: Christopher hacionis here in zoom spirit. Thanks as always to Rule,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you and you as well, Ben. We'll see

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