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Speaker 1: This story contains adult content and language, along with references

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Speaker 1: to sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, it was an unusual posture to

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Speaker 2: find a drowning victim, and she was dressed only in

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Speaker 2: it also very unusual for a drowning victim, so the

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Speaker 1: I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor

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Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. I'm also the host of the historical

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Speaker 1: true crime podcast tenfold More Wicked, as well as the

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Speaker 1: co host of the new show Buried Bones, both on

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Speaker 1: Exactly Right. I've traveled around the world interviewing people for

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Speaker 1: the show. I've interviewed some people in person and some

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Speaker 1: from my home studio over zoom, and they are all

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Speaker 1: excellent writers. They've had so many great true crime stories

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Speaker 1: and now we want to tell you those stories with

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Speaker 1: details that have never been published. Tenfold More Wicked presents

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Speaker 1: Wicked Words is about the choices that writers make, good

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Speaker 1: and bad. It's a deep dive into the stories behind

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Speaker 1: the stories. Author James Stewart wrote a book about a

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Speaker 1: mysterious murder in jazz age San Diego where gangsters mingled

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Speaker 1: with flappers who had drinks with sailors and speakeasies during Prohibition.

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Speaker 1: What a scene. His book is called Mystery at the

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Speaker 1: Blue Sea Cottage. So let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the book and set the scene for me. Where are we.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're in San Diego in nineteen twenty three January

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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty three. San Diego was a kind of a

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Speaker 2: unique place at the time. They had a lot of

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Speaker 2: the same problems as far as the prohibition, corruption and

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Speaker 2: vice and all that sort of thing that you had

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Speaker 2: in the bigger cities, But San Diego was only about

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Speaker 2: eighty thousand people at that time. It wasn't the eighth

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Speaker 2: largest city in there as it is now, so it

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Speaker 2: was rather provincial and out of the way. And it

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Speaker 2: was a tourist town, a border town, a seaport, and

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Speaker 2: a military town, which makes it pretty unique at that time.

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Speaker 2: So that kind of exacerbated the law enforcement challenges. The

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Speaker 2: fact that it was on the border, the fact that

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Speaker 2: it was a seaport made it easy to bring in

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Speaker 2: the illegal hootch, and you know, the demand was there

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Speaker 2: because you had the military, you had the navy, so

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Speaker 2: that created the demand for the vice. This was the

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Speaker 2: jazz age, right, so everybody wants to party and there

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Speaker 2: are the speakeasies and the dance halls and all that

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Speaker 2: the border made it easy to bring in vice from Tijuana.

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Speaker 2: Tijuana was huge, in fact, when prohibition happened, that was

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Speaker 2: of people just went across the border, which is like

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Speaker 2: there and drink liquor and everything else legally place bets.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't hard to get across the border either way.

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Speaker 2: It was probably harder for them to come this way.

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Speaker 2: But if you've seen pictures in the early twenties of

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Speaker 1: That's their security.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's not like now, So I don't think

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Speaker 1: So Fritzi Man is the subject of your book she

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Speaker 1: ultimately becomes a victim. She's born about what nineteen oh three,

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Speaker 1: She's twenty years old when the main crux of the

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Speaker 2: She was a few months short of her twenty first

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Speaker 2: birthday when she died. She was from an immigrant Jewish family.

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Speaker 2: Her father was from Poland, her mother was from Hungry

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Speaker 2: where the three children of the family were born. The

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Speaker 2: came over in nineteen ten, a few months before Fritzi

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Speaker 2: for that sort of thing just gave him a cursory

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Speaker 2: time as the world's sanitarium for tuberculosis because it was

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Speaker 2: had a couple of sanitariums specifically for Jewish consumptives as

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Speaker 1: Then, yeah, just so everyone knows, tuberculosis and consumption are

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Speaker 2: They stayed in Denver until nineteen twenty when their father

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Speaker 2: died of consumption. And during the time her teen years

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Speaker 2: prima ballerina who had actually danced with Anna Pavlova, who

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Speaker 2: was the most famous and influential ballerina probably in history.

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Speaker 2: Her name was Domina Marini. She was Fritzy's mentor. She

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Speaker 2: trained under her, She performed with her in Denver, where

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Speaker 2: Marini had retired from dancing so to speak, from the

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Speaker 2: interpretive dancing, which was a really big deal. Then. You

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Speaker 2: never hear that term anymore, but back then it was

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Speaker 1: Can you explain what that is?

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Speaker 2: The whole idea behind it is to physically translate these

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Speaker 2: traditional myths and legends and things like that, mostly from

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Speaker 2: the Middle East and Asia it lent itself this exotic air.

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Speaker 2: The dancers wore these for the times can't be outfits,

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Speaker 2: but they were very exotic looking. So they played up

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Speaker 2: was Fritzy's style was an interpreted dance because it was

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Speaker 1: And what age is this where she starts with this?

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Speaker 2: She started dancing the best I could tell, around twelve

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Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty one, her mother decided to relocate to

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Speaker 2: San Diego. And just like with Denver, it wasn't something

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Speaker 2: that she picked out of the hat. San Diego was

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Speaker 2: also known as being good for consumptives. You know, you've

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Speaker 2: a couple of years older, had consumption.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised the whole family didn't get it from the father.

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Speaker 1: If it was severe enough to kill him.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's funny because I actually was exposed at tuberculosis

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Speaker 2: when I was kid. I mean, I actually knew people

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Speaker 1: You're dating yourself.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, well, but I actually

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Speaker 2: was exposed to it. So when I do the little

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Speaker 2: PPD tests when I first went in the Navy, they

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Speaker 2: it just showed that I was exposed to it. I

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Speaker 2: and certainly her family had been. Okay, the best I

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Speaker 2: her sister developed active cases to it. Okay, that was

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Speaker 2: why they went to San Diego.

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Speaker 1: So her mother moves Fritzy and Helen to San Diego.

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Speaker 1: The family goes to San Diego to be in this

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Speaker 1: that Helen is having, and Fritzi, I guess, starts doing

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Speaker 1: dance now in San Diego. Now that she's left Innver,

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Speaker 1: she continues on with this career.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she does, and it's kind of curious. They came

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Speaker 2: in January of twenty two, exactly one year before her death,

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Speaker 2: she performed at one of the large theaters downtown called

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Speaker 2: the Colonial. It was kind of in the top tier,

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Speaker 2: along with the Spreckels Theater and the Savoy, and there

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Speaker 2: that so quickly after arriving in town she performed the

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Speaker 2: solo finale at this big program. It was like fourteen

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Speaker 2: What I was able to find out was is that

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Speaker 2: she came to San Diego with a letter of introduction

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Speaker 2: from a well known dancer, presumably her mentor, and that

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Speaker 1: What is her personal life like between ages seventeen and twenty.

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Speaker 1: She's living with her family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was living with her family up until the end.

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Speaker 2: She lived with her family. She worked when she good,

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Speaker 2: and she took whatever she could get. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: other ones were it's much smaller venues. And her brother also,

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Speaker 2: he worked full time, so I think he was kind

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Speaker 2: of the primary bread winner in San Diego. He worked

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Speaker 2: with her earnings from dancing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she now is twenty years old, and she

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Speaker 1: hasn't had her father for three years, and her sister

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Speaker 1: is sick with tuberculosis, and her mother is I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: in total misery. Yes, and they're depending on their brother

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Speaker 1: for an income, and she's dancing. But surely it's a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Is she dating at age twenty, Yes.

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Speaker 2: At least in twenty two that we know of, she

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Speaker 2: dated a few guys starting around May or June. She

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Speaker 2: may have dated before that, but I couldn't find any

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Speaker 2: information on it. But she dated a few different men

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Speaker 2: during that summer and fall into the next year.

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Speaker 1: Did you get a sense for her personality.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she was very vivats, She was outgoing. She was

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Speaker 2: an extrovert. If you look at the pictures of her,

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Speaker 2: she just exudes confidence, which you know, at that time,

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Speaker 2: in that age, a proper woman then would have been demure.

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Speaker 1: I think the mirror went out the window in the

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Speaker 1: jazz age.

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Speaker 2: Well he did, yeah, largely much.

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Speaker 1: To the chagrin of people who were really trying to

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Speaker 1: push for and keep prohibition in place.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the conservatives, the traditionalists. There was really a big

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Speaker 2: dichotomy between the frivolity and party atmosphere of the jazz

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't hear stag much. No, I don't hear

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Speaker 1: Now what was she doing in La? Hollywood was in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely true, and that also plays a big role in

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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened. In January of nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 2: Staying with a friend of hers. Her name was Bernice Edwards.

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Speaker 1: So somebody drove her, is what they concluded.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, so that right there was one of the things.

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Speaker 1: Did they have the capability in the nineteen twenties to

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Speaker 2: Yes, there were two significant findings, one of which was

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Speaker 1: Not have sex? Is what I think that that hope was.

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Speaker 2: That's what the traditionalists would say. But of course it

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Speaker 2: autopsy surgeon thought that it had been done before she died,

436
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: but he couldn't really say when. And it was a

437
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: superficial wound, so was not the cause of her death.

438
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: Toxicology wise, wouldn't they be able to tell if there's

439
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 1: anything in her system? Do they find anything?

440
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: They didn't take toxicologist Now, the second autopsy was later

441
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: performed and they did do it, but the fact that

442
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: her blood was drained, yeah, may have had some impact

443
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: on that. They were limited at the time of what

444
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: they could do, but they certainly could test for poisons

445
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: and some other things, and they didn't do any of that,

446
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: so that was unfortunate.

447
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: Why do you think this was botched? Is this just

448
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: an incompetent, small police force that's overwhelmed with criminal enterprise

449
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: that's happening in San Diego, or did she fit into

450
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: some type of category where she was dismissed a little

451
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: bit more than other victims might be.

452
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, because she was what they

453
00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: pejoratively called at the time an oriental dancer. Additionalist would

454
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: look at what she did on the stage and say, well,

455
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: she's just trying to turn men on, because the sinuous

456
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: movements that those dancers did to try to physically translate

457
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: it came off with an erotic effect. Whether that was

458
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,239
Speaker 2: the intention, which usually it wasn't. But this case was

459
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: not treated superficiously by the police because it immediately blew

460
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: up in the press and was hyped. You know, had

461
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: a beautiful dancer, an exotic dancer, as they termed it

462
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: a lot at the time, found under mystifiing circumstances.

463
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: Her mother must have just lost her mind. She was

464
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: a woman on the edge to begin with, having just

465
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: lost her husband and now nursing her sick daughter.

466
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: It was horrible, and when you read about her reactions

467
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: to things and the way it was portrayed in the press.

468
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: Her brother read the paper, and presumably her mother. The

469
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: next morning she wasn't back. She had said she would

470
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: call or be back the next day. She wasn't back

471
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: the next morning, so she was gone all day, and

472
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: then the following morning still wasn't back. And so her

473
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: brother reads a newspaper and reads about this young woman

474
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: who washed up on the beach to Torrey Pines. He

475
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: went down to the funeral home and it was in

476
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: fact her, and then I guess later he brought his mother.

477
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Didn't they have her pocket book with her identification in it?

478
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: Didn't you say it was further down on the coast.

479
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that, because that's one of the

480
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: things that was kind of strange about the scene. Her

481
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: vanity case and handbag were found about five hundred yards

482
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: south of where her body was found, as if they

483
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: had been tossed out of a car, another thing that

484
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: kind of led the cops to think, hey, this is suspicious.

485
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Somebody else had a hand in this. And inside of

486
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: her vanity case there were a number of calling cards

487
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: and business cards and also a blank white card written

488
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: in her hand that said I am Fritzy Man and

489
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: gave her address, So they should have known it was her,

490
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: but at first they didn't. And in fact, the previous

491
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: night the coroner had called her brother up asking to

492
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: speak to her. He didn't identify himself or say that

493
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: he had an unidentified woman's body down at this funeral.

494
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: Partner just said, was Fritzy Manhomi? She said, now I

495
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: don't know where she is and we don't know how

496
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 2: to return, And he didn't identify hisself, So there was

497
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: definitely some incompetence there that happened. And like you said,

498
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: it was a small police force too, so the police

499
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: chief was not incompetent. He's considered one of the best

500
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: in San Diego history, and he did a lot of

501
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: the investigation in the interviews himself, but he did have

502
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: a small force. They were barely getting into the modern age.

503
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: The crime scenes weren't secured. You had civilians trapes and

504
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: all over the beach scene.

505
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: So they start interviewing people. So they're looking at her world, right,

506
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: her inner circle, and they start making discoveries that I'm

507
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: assuming we're going to hear about a list of suspects.

508
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: When her mother saw her body, she screamed out a

509
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: man's name, Rogers Clark, an unusual name, Rogers Clark the third.

510
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Fritzi had dated him the

511
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: previous fall. As it turns out, around the time she

512
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: got preged. He was kind of known as a playboy.

513
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: He's older, right, she's twenty.

514
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: He was about seventeen years older.

515
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so she was nineteen when they dated, right,

516
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: so that made him in his mid thirties. Okay, correct.

517
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 2: Before she started dating that guy, she had dated a

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: doctor who worked for the public Health service named Louis Jacobs.

519
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: He worked at the VA Hospital north of San Diego,

520
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: and she had been seeing him for several months starting

521
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: around April or May of the previous year, until some

522
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: time before she met this other guy. And then about

523
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: a month later, she found out she was pregnant and

524
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: confronted the doctor with it, said, I'm pregnant. You have

525
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: to help me because she.

526
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Wanted to get married to doctor Jacobs.

527
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: Yes, and her mother approved of this doctor knew him

528
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: pretty well.

529
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: What was a relationship like with these two men separately?

530
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, she was in love with the doctor. Okay, according

531
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: to her friends, the police managed to drag that out

532
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: of him. Bernice Edwards, her best friend up in Long Beach,

533
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: knew that she was pregnant and knew why she had

534
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: come back to San Diego. So they had these two suspects.

535
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: And then on Wednesday, a couple of days after her

536
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: body was found, they found the Blue Sea Cottage.

537
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: A love nest is what it sounds like.

538
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: Well, that's the way the papers made it out. That's

539
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: not why they went there. She was four months pregnant,

540
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: you got to remember, and the doctor had refused to

541
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 2: marry her, and he said he would help her, meaning

542
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: I will help you arrange an abortion. But the police

543
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: didn't find out about this until the next big break,

544
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: which was when they discovered this correspondence that Fritzi had

545
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: left behind at Bertie's Edwards house in Long Beach. She

546
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: had left it there in her suitcase when she came back,

547
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: because supposedly she would just going to San Diego for

548
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: a short trip then returning to la and resume her career,

549
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: and the telegrams and letters between her and doctor Jacobs

550
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: made it obvious that he was trying to arrange an

551
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: abortion in.

552
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: LA for her, but the autopsy surgeon didn't find evidence

553
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm assuming of a boxed abortion, which I think is

554
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: pretty clear.

555
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: It was absolutely clear there was no surgery performed. That

556
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: remains one of the big mysteries of the case, exactly

557
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: how she died. He tried to arrange an abortion and

558
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it didn't happen. Fritzy said she couldn't

559
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: find the doctor that he sent her to. By that time,

560
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: Fritzy was kind of I think in a bad way.

561
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: She was very sick from morning sickness we're talking about

562
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: in December. Before she returned home. She was very sick,

563
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: and I think the stress of the whole situation had

564
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: really gotten to her. She finally threatened the doctor twelve

565
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: days before she died in a one line telegram that says,

566
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: if you don't contact me right now words this effect,

567
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: I will come there and I will stop it nothing,

568
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: which means I will expose this scandal. That's what the

569
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: doctor was trying to keep from happening. He didn't want

570
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: to marry her. He was going to try to arrange

571
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: an abortion, which is illegal. This would have got him

572
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: probably fired or disciplined the public Health service because it

573
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: was illegal and it would have been a major scandal,

574
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: and he was a social player in San Diego, so

575
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: she threatened to expose. This was a common motive for

576
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: murder back then. Yeah, it happened to a lot of cases.

577
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: I could think of off the top of my head.

578
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: So the police find this correspondence, they figure out what's happening.

579
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: She's pregnant. He says, I'll help you get an abortion,

580
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: and now she's dead. They arrest him. Is that what happens?

581
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: They arrest both guys. They arrested doctor Jacobs and Rogers Clark,

582
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: the movie director. The movie director actor, which it turns

583
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: out he worked for a very small, fledgling kind of company.

584
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: But he was tall, he was handsome. He was a

585
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: lady killer, or a chekh as they called it back then.

586
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: He kind of fit that mold. But doctor Jacobs had

587
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: told the cops that she had come to him the

588
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Friday before her death and that was the last time

589
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: he saw her. Reclaim she said that she was pregnant.

590
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: He claimed this was the first time he had ever

591
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: heard about it. He didn't do it, but she asked

592
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: him to perform an abortion, and he said no, and

593
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: that was the last time he saw her. Both guys

594
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: looked guilty at the beginning. You know, you had the

595
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence against Jacobs, and then when the correspondence came out,

596
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: he made it clear he was trying to arrange an abortion.

597
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: So tell me how the trial goes, because ultimately doctor

598
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Jacobs goes on trial.

599
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: Correct, a few months later he goes on trial. There's

600
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: a grand jury first and they indict him and he

601
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: goes to trial for first degree murder.

602
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: What's the major evidence that the journey has.

603
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: It's all circumstantial. They showed that Jacobs was heading to

604
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: meet Fritzi at the same time she was to meet

605
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: this mysterious man at the same place and the same time.

606
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: They nailed that down pretty well, so obvious that she

607
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: met him, although he never admitted that. And then they

608
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: know that she went to the Blue Sea Cottage after

609
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: that because they found some of her things in this room.

610
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: And it turns out on that night Fritzy and this

611
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: mysterious man who later became known as the serious mister Johnston,

612
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: checked into this beach cottage. According to the manager, they

613
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: were there for a few hours only and then left,

614
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: and they found that the room had been disturbed a

615
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: little bit. There was some water in the tub. The

616
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: woman who cleaned the place said they looked like there

617
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: was some rust colored remnants in the tub that might

618
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: have been blood. There was a blood spot on the bed.

619
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: Some of Fritzy's things were left there as if in

620
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: a panic. And it turns out that it's clear that

621
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: this is where she died.

622
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: So the drowning was in a bathtub, not in the ocean.

623
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Is that right, Well, that's my opinion.

624
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing in the autopsy surgeon's report that talks about

625
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: saltwater versus bathwater.

626
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: Well, this was a long drawn out thing during the trial,

627
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: and they both had their medical experts. The medical testimony

628
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: was the thing that the entire case hinged on. Yeah,

629
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: the prosecution said she drowned in the bathtub at the

630
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Blue Sea cottage. His theory, the prosecutor's theory, was that

631
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: they had gone there Jacob decided to do the abortion himself,

632
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: or at least he told Fritzy that he was going

633
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: to do it in the beach cottage. Apparently, and according

634
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: to the evidence, it looks like that he was intending

635
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: to do that and.

636
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: To be clear, an abortion in the nineteen twenties would

637
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: have been very risky and dangerous for the woman.

638
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: Extremely risky, and in most cases they would have used

639
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: some kind of anesthesia, chloroform, ether, one of those things

640
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: which at the time was very unpredictable.

641
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Right, you had to know what you were doing.

642
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: You had to know what you're doing. And if you're

643
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: a doctor who doesn't normally perform abortions and you're doing

644
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: it in a beach cottage by yourself, imagine how risky

645
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: that was. So she didn't die from a botched abortion,

646
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: the prosecutor thought that he attempted or he started one.

647
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: He either killed her accidentally with the anesthesia, or he

648
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: drowned her in the bathtub. The tub had clearly been used,

649
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: There were some wet towels there, there were some remnants

650
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: of water in there. If he did drown her in

651
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: the tub, the logical thing for a doctor to do

652
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Speaker 2: and a panic would have been the dumper body on

653
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Speaker 2: the beach to try to make it look like an

654
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Speaker 2: accidental drowning or a suicide. Because she was desponded. There's

655
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Speaker 2: no question she had every reason to be desponded, and

656
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: she was and he was the cause of that, and

657
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: he really played that up to the cops in his statements.

658
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Speaker 2: He tried to make it and the defense tried to

659
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Speaker 2: make it look like a suicide. It was also a

660
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Speaker 2: common reason for suicide, a single pregnant woman with no

661
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Speaker 2: other options.

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Speaker 1: No defensive wounds. Remind me again, toxicology.

663
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Speaker 2: At the end quest. A couple of days after her

664
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Speaker 2: body was found, her brother insisted on a second autopsy. Now,

665
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Speaker 2: his reason mainly for doing that was the state of

666
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Speaker 2: her pregnancy, which was four to four and a half

667
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Speaker 2: months at the time of her death. That didn't match

668
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Speaker 2: up with what he said that the coroner had told

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Speaker 2: them early on after the autopsy, so he wanted a

670
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Speaker 2: second autopsy. And a different doctor performed the second autopsy,

671
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Speaker 2: and he confirmed that it was as a drowning, and

672
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Speaker 2: he confirmed that she was four or four and a

673
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Speaker 2: half months pregnant. He did take samples of blood and

674
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Speaker 2: tissue samples for toxicology. He found nothing, and they were

675
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Speaker 2: not able to determine whether it was salt water or

676
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Speaker 2: fresh water.

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Speaker 1: Okay, forget about the fresh water versus ocean water. Wouldn't

678
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Speaker 1: you think that you would have to apply pressure there

679
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: would be struggle, there would be some kind of marks

680
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Speaker 1: on her other than these natural abrasions to drown someone,

681
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Speaker 1: whether they're in the bathtub or in the ocean.

682
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Speaker 2: Yes, And this fed into the prosecutor's theory. He thought

683
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Speaker 2: that he gave her the anesthetic, knocked her out, drug

684
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Speaker 2: her in there, and put her head into the bathtub.

685
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Speaker 1: But they didn't find the anesthetic. Is it right?

686
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Speaker 2: They did not find it. He got rid of it.

687
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Speaker 1: So what ultimately happened, So there's a hung jury. The

688
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: jury can't agree. Second trial.

689
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the prosecutor, who was politically ambitious, and this was

690
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: taking place in an atmosphere of political corruption anyway, and

691
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: he on the prosecutor to insisted on trying him again

692
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Speaker 2: for first degree murder premeditated. He just didn't have the

693
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: evidence to prove it. It was all circumstantial. He couldn't

694
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: say exactly how she died, and so there was probable

695
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Speaker 2: cause for doubt. So the jury made the correct decision

696
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: based on our system of justice. There's another way he

697
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: could have drowned her. And I found this out during

698
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Speaker 2: some of my medical research, talking to a formal medical

699
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: examiner and other people. There was a famous case in

700
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: England and the teens called the brides and the bath

701
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: you may have heard of. Well, if you're taking a

702
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: bath in that kind of tub and somebody yanks your

703
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: ankles up all of a sudden, it knocks you out

704
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: instantly because the water rushes up and through your nose

705
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: and knocks you out and your dround. So that's another

706
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Speaker 2: way he could have killed her.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you been able to see there's no abrasion on

708
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: the back of her head if that happens.

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Speaker 2: No, well, I mean there were abrasions on her body,

710
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: but that was probably incident to him moving her body

711
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: out of the tub, carrying it out to the car,

712
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: and then taking her, you know, eight miles away, dumping

713
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: her on the beach, dragging her through the sand. He

714
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: wasn't a very big guy and not very healthy, so

715
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: he probably would have had to drag her most of

716
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: the way, so that would have counted for the abrasions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me see if I can wrap this

718
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Speaker 1: as far as making a decision, at least in my

719
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Speaker 1: head on this. So you've got a young woman who's twenty,

720
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Speaker 1: who has ambition, but she's pregnant. This would have been

721
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: a disaster for her. She's interested in an abortion. She's

722
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: dating a doctor. He has promised her to help her.

723
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: Then they meet, but she has been threatening him that

724
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: we need to figure something out. If you're not going

725
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: to marry me, something needs to change. They meet, and

726
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: then she ends up dead. So we are now trying

727
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: to weigh I think in this case the probability of

728
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: someone who took her own life because she's in such

729
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: despair because of how society treated women who were single

730
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Speaker 1: and pregnant, versus the probability of a doctor who has

731
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Speaker 1: a good reputation and committing murder out of sheer panic

732
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Speaker 1: because he's impregnated a woman. Where did you fall?

733
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Speaker 2: She did not commit suicide. He killed her, most likely

734
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Speaker 2: accidentally with the anesthetic. He may have drowned her in

735
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: the bathtub on purpose. That's possible. He maybe started doing

736
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: the abortion panic and just says, I got to get

737
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: rid of this problem, put her in the bathtub and

738
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: ground her. This is what the prosecutor said, and I

739
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: think the prosecutor was right. He either killed her accidentally

740
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: or he drowned her on purpose. They proved that it

741
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: was him there. The manager was very wishy washy, the

742
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Bluesy Cottages manager was very wishy washy about the guy

743
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: he saw that night, and in the end he couldn't

744
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: identify anything. They used a handwriting analysis, even though mister

745
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: Johnston had checked in under an assumed name with his wife,

746
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: and it doesn't take an expert to look at the

747
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: signatures yeah and see that it's the same guy.

748
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, my father was a law professor for thirty seven

749
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Speaker 1: years and he often told me when I would talk

750
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: about cases and I'd say, this guy's guilty, and he says,

751
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you think. What

752
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: can you prove? That is the complexity of our legal system. Unfortunately,

753
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Speaker 1: So what ultimately happens to doctor Lewis Jacobs. He gets

754
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Speaker 1: off I'm assuming.

755
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: He's acquitted in the second trial, and then he goes

756
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: back to Baltimore where he was from, tries to start

757
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: a practice. Obviously, he got kicked out of the Public

758
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: Health Service for trying to arrange an abortion and bringing

759
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: discredit on the public health service. He went back, he

760
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: started a private practice, and he died in nineteen sixty.

761
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: He ended up marrying somebody later on, a much older woman.

762
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: That was another thing that didn't come out during the

763
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Speaker 2: trial was that he was in love with another woman

764
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: at the time, which is why he didn't want to

765
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: marry Frizzy, and she was much older, wealthy woman.

766
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Speaker 1: What came of Fritzy's mother and brother.

767
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: Well, seven months later Helen died the sister correct, so

768
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: she buried Helen next to Fritzi, and then a year

769
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: or so later It's hard to tell exactly win, but

770
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: within a short period of time they moved back to

771
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 2: Denver and nineteen thirty I think it was she had

772
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: the bodies of her two daughters moved to Denver and

773
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: buried alongside their father. It's a very sad story and

774
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have happened.

775
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Speaker 1: In this mess of a story, what do you learn

776
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: from it about society or what we value?

777
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: That women were second class citizens and they had even

778
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: fewer options then they had no options? What was her option?

779
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: If the guy refuses to marry her. She can run

780
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: off and get the abortion herself and be completely ostracized

781
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: and have no career. Or she could submit to a

782
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: risky and illegal abortion.

783
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Speaker 1: Where a very high number of women died.

784
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Speaker 2: Correct, very high number. And so what is your option there?

785
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: You have no option, and society didn't provide for any

786
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: other valuable options. And so, being the headstrong person she was,

787
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: she threatened him. She didn't take it lying down. She

788
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: stood up for herself and tried to get him to

789
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: do the right thing as they called it. Then that's

790
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: what the man's obligation was under the moral code then,

791
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: was to do the right thing. So when he didn't,

792
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: what is she supposed to do? Women had no options,

793
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: and the patriarchal society at the time was very oppressive,

794
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: especially to women. He corralled everybody's behavior sex is going

795
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: to happen, right, so unwanted pregnancies were going to happen,

796
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: and if the man didn't do the right thing, what

797
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: can you do? So she did what she could and

798
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: it cost her her life.

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