Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done.
Speaker 2: Done, Yay, that's messed up. In SVU podcast, my name
Speaker 2: is Liza Traeger and I am Makara Klank, and every
Speaker 2: week we recap.
Speaker 1: An episode of SVU, talk about the true crimates based
Speaker 1: on and then talk to a cool guest, an actor
Speaker 1: from the show usually and then but first we catch
Speaker 1: up and see what's going on.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot happening right now.
Speaker 2: I'm also if you'd like to be enrayed. I should
Speaker 2: have went to bed last night. I didn't. I put
Speaker 2: on Gone Girls, the Gilgo Beach, fucking Long Island killer.
Speaker 2: We covered this before it was solved, so that was
Speaker 2: episode eighty six.
Speaker 1: I like reread your notes because I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what, like what we knew, what we didn't know?
Speaker 2: What if you just want to be enraged by police ineptitude,
Speaker 2: corruption fucked up?
Speaker 3: I mean I I should have gone. I couldn't go
Speaker 3: to bed.
Speaker 2: I mean I was, oh my god, outrage fists in
Speaker 2: my bed, like We always talk about police being so
Speaker 2: bad at their job, but this is so hard. Just
Speaker 2: so many women sex workers brutalized, murdered, tortured. No one
Speaker 2: gave a fuck, No one wanted to investigate. Even when
Speaker 2: evidence would come out, they fought it. They wouldn't work
Speaker 2: with other departments, which was in your notes. But like
Speaker 2: it's a really good it's a really well done three
Speaker 2: part doc. So just three parts, Okay, it's great.
Speaker 3: I watched all three. I watched all I'm so mad.
Speaker 1: God, it's like, yeah, well, I mean, but it is
Speaker 1: good that they caught it. It's like, these guys, you're
Speaker 1: not getting away with stuff in this day and age
Speaker 1: where we are catching.
Speaker 3: Well now they had to.
Speaker 2: They had to fucking put one police commissioner in prison,
Speaker 2: get rid of this other DA. They were colluding. They
Speaker 2: were fucking crazy. They're committing all these crimes. Then we
Speaker 2: bring in someone else she could. It took three different
Speaker 2: regime changes in this And I guess Suffolk County is
Speaker 2: the largest police precinct department in the country. They're like
Speaker 2: very powerful, they're the most well paid police officers in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I guess Long Island's the biggest island in America.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had no fucking idea.
Speaker 1: Wait, did they talk about how weird the vibe was
Speaker 1: in the town, because that was a lot of part
Speaker 1: of my research was like this town was really weird.
Speaker 1: Everybody kind of knew each other and covered up ship
Speaker 1: for each other and stuff too. Remember like this one
Speaker 1: specific little.
Speaker 3: Town where like it all was going down near Gilgo Beach.
Speaker 3: The vibes were weird. But it's just like, I guess
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Find them different from other cases we've covered where it's
Speaker 2: like kind of small even though it's this big island,
Speaker 2: it's small town. It's cops, it's a Republican, it's blue line,
Speaker 2: and it's fuck sex workers.
Speaker 3: They're not real people, right, you know.
Speaker 1: It's there's a fucking recording of this girl terrified and
Speaker 1: people are like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: She sounds like maybe she went ran away, Like Carara,
Speaker 3: how could I go to bed?
Speaker 2: There was a fucking press conference where one of the
Speaker 2: one of the white old men.
Speaker 3: That's a nightmare. I forgot which one goes. It was.
Speaker 2: She accidentally went in there typothermia, she took off for clothes.
Speaker 2: It's accidental death. But then they brought in Michael Badden.
Speaker 2: But it's so yeah, if you want to listen to
Speaker 2: oh that, yes, before it was solved and then now
Speaker 2: finally a task for and it was I mean decades
Speaker 2: these uh, these victims wanted justice and they talked to
Speaker 2: witness says who knew who the people looked like, like
Speaker 2: they had experiences. They gave the information. They had the
Speaker 2: information of what kind of car this motherfucker drove, his
Speaker 2: physical description, they had decades went by. It's like, it's
Speaker 2: truly fucking sane. He was like the who they find
Speaker 2: out did it was like the house kids didn't go
Speaker 2: to for trick or treating a fucking creep, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean. It's not like anyone was like
Speaker 3: get out of town. Not that nice man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, yeah, fuck all right, we gotta
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 2: They had information for forever. They wouldn't connect it, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't investigate. It's just like it really is disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, Well no, no easy segue off of that, but.
Speaker 2: I mean no, it is. Well, well, we could go
Speaker 2: to wait, what are you gonna do? Lots of TV
Speaker 2: White House.
Speaker 1: Listen, we went to the White House, the White Life.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the second one. I cannot talk
Speaker 1: about the first one.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, what's wrong? They're just snatching people
Speaker 2: off the streets. I'm sending them to Salvador, who cares God.
Speaker 2: Not a huge deal.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is letting him run unchecked. But I
Speaker 1: we went to Lego Land. Everybody, we did it. It
Speaker 1: was great, it was amazing, it was a wonderful day.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect little trip for two little kids.
Speaker 1: But the only my only gripe with Lego Land is
Speaker 1: every place you eat at Lego Land, where, by the way,
Speaker 1: the food is like pretty gross and its extremely expensive,
Speaker 1: like every amusement park, but every food is like lives
Speaker 1: on an island by itself. So if you want to
Speaker 1: go pizza, you gotta go to the pizza place. If
Speaker 1: you want chicken, you gotta go to the chicken place
Speaker 1: if you want it. And it's like if you're eating
Speaker 1: in a family where people eat different things, it's very
Speaker 1: very annoying because you have to like take Oscar to
Speaker 1: chicken town while I'm taking Rosie to pizza town and
Speaker 1: it's not like and it's not like a food court.
Speaker 3: Right, that's the thing. It's like, make it a food court.
Speaker 1: Kids are psychotic, you know, like just but besides that,
Speaker 1: fucking we get the best weather. The kids were so
Speaker 1: jazzed about everything that we went on a bunch of
Speaker 1: roller coasters. We made Oscar lie about his age. He
Speaker 1: did it. It was amazing, it was great. But so
Speaker 1: that's what did they buy? What did they buy? What
Speaker 1: he got?
Speaker 3: Stuffy?
Speaker 1: Rosie obviously got a stuffy of what like a square?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: Not even Lego related. It's like a fucking dog. It's
Speaker 1: like some dog. And I go, Rosie, this isn't even
Speaker 1: really legal, and she goes, please, I want it so bad.
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, well, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna argue with you. I was like, you don't
Speaker 1: want to get a Lego set? Where at Lego Land? No,
Speaker 1: Oscar got Elsa and Anna's like a mini castle from Arundel.
Speaker 1: But I also got him a bigger one for his birthday,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna get that later. I have a little
Speaker 1: name drop, but I did so.
Speaker 2: I did go to Mateo Lanes Radio City Music Hall
Speaker 2: show obviously incredible. I got to chit chat with Bob
Speaker 2: the drag queen, you know, and the green room in
Speaker 2: the green Room, he hosted the most beautif full outfit
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, and I just like, I can't even
Speaker 2: But Bob said that Adina Menzel is the most famous
Speaker 2: Broadway actor in the world, and I was like, huh,
Speaker 2: I want to kind of like find an argument.
Speaker 3: He goes, well, you won't, but when you do, you
Speaker 3: could let me know.
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about it, and because I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: because of Frozen and then it's like Rent Wicked, like
Speaker 2: just the most recognizable, probably the most box office or
Speaker 2: like profitable.
Speaker 3: But I guess so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure like physically, I remember.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we have listeners that are like screaming at
Speaker 1: their uh like phones right now. But I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like Patty Lapone is obviously a regular people
Speaker 1: don't know her, don't know who she is. Ye, it's
Speaker 1: not what Bob's saying. It's not like who do you think.
Speaker 1: It's like people don't know her. Yeah, if you could
Speaker 1: put someone they don't know, Kristin Chenowith too, is like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you could argue Christian Chanowitz. She's done a lot.
Speaker 1: Sutton Foster starred in her own television shop dumber, which
Speaker 1: is I don't think appearing now on Netflix and getting bigger.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Casey, are you thinking you're moving your
Speaker 2: mic around? I feel like you're I think I think
Speaker 2: the answer is Lynn Manuel.
Speaker 3: Oh but Oya should should? I should? I hit?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Is it lip? That's just my recognize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. He was in the New
Speaker 1: Mary Poppins. I mean, I'm just saying he does like
Speaker 1: stuff where he's on camera.
Speaker 3: You never heard of it.
Speaker 1: I think that could be he's like the Dick van
Speaker 1: Dyke of of Emily Blunts Mary Poppins.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah that's good. That's not a bad one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's an interesting and it is so
Speaker 1: funny because like some of these people are so well
Speaker 1: known and it's like, yeah, you wouldn't really know them
Speaker 1: unless you're like a Broadway person, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I mean, because I would I would
Speaker 2: maybe think of other but no, no.
Speaker 3: No, well that's an interesting Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you have your leave a comment on today's episode
Speaker 1: on Instagram in the comment section, let us know who
Speaker 1: you think, cause like I am wondering, like if Dina
Speaker 1: Menzel has the actual name recognition. If you went into
Speaker 1: like deep rural like America, And you said, do you
Speaker 1: know who Adina Menzel is? I think some people will
Speaker 1: go know and you're like, but have you seen Frozen?
Speaker 3: Oh? Sure, she's the voice of Elsa.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Rent, she's the voice of Maureen, you know,
Speaker 1: or she like if you if you've heard Rent or whatever? Uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I think Lynn Manuel is the only
Speaker 1: uh the biggest crossover because of Malana and just Hamilton
Speaker 1: did something to Broadway that probably Wicked maybe did, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was in high school. I wasn't
Speaker 3: like thinking about this in high school. I was just yeah,
Speaker 3: Wicked was like Wicked was like.
Speaker 1: You waited in the lottery, you really wanted to get
Speaker 1: into the Wicked lottery or whatever, but like if you
Speaker 1: didn't get into the Wicked Lottery, like I ended up
Speaker 1: getting tickets like for cheap a few months later, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like Hamilton was like you could not.
Speaker 1: See it for years unless you shelled out like a
Speaker 1: ton of ton of money. So Hamilton was something like
Speaker 1: kind of extraordinary. I'm assuming you know, but maybe some
Speaker 1: of our listeners don't know. Do you know who the
Speaker 1: producer of the Broadway show Othello is right now, it's
Speaker 1: enzal and.
Speaker 3: J Hill Hall.
Speaker 2: Is it Candy It's fucking candy Bird. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: could she dominate more industries?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was her time to leave. It was her time
Speaker 1: to leave Atlanta. She's too busy. But I want to
Speaker 1: go right into Atlanta. And yeah, oh my god. Devastating,
Speaker 1: it's a devastating it's heard of events upset once again.
Speaker 1: Real Housewives is in the true crime genre. Okay, So
Speaker 1: just to give everybody background, because I know not all
Speaker 1: of you are in our obsession that we are. Real
Speaker 1: house wass of Atlanta has had a bunch of regulars
Speaker 1: obviously for years. This year there was like a like
Speaker 1: a like a half shake up. I would say, there's
Speaker 1: like three or four. There's three or four new girls
Speaker 1: on the show, right, Shamia, Britt, Angela, and Kelly.
Speaker 3: So there's new women on it.
Speaker 1: And this new woman comes on and she starts tangling
Speaker 1: with an old an old cast member, an older cast member,
Speaker 1: not old in age, old in you know, seniority, Kenya Moore,
Speaker 1: who notoriously goes low.
Speaker 3: This girl, Britt started out gotten.
Speaker 2: It with Kenny, thinking I think Cynthia maybe had the
Speaker 2: right theory of like you having a perception of Kenya
Speaker 2: because of the show and her fame, and I feel
Speaker 2: like Britt was just coming reading into stuff through that
Speaker 2: lens and not being in reality because I saw Kenya
Speaker 2: maybe being a little petty, but like nothing to have
Speaker 2: warranted what you're about to say that Britt did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that Britt did, or that Kenya did that Britt.
Speaker 1: Britt threatened her with guns. Britt said, I have my
Speaker 1: pistol on me, I have my fucking gun. I have
Speaker 1: guns and knives and I don't play. Oh. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear her say on me. I just thought she you're right,
Speaker 1: you should not threaten guns. I just did not have
Speaker 1: everything to gus at home that you can't. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were at a state so they're at a dinner.
Speaker 3: Guns is insane. Yeah, they're at a dinner.
Speaker 1: They have a fight, and they and and Kenya start
Speaker 1: and this girl is just like, I'm leaving and starts
Speaker 1: walking out and she's yelling all this shit at Kenya
Speaker 1: and she says something like I have pistols, I have knives, whatever,
Speaker 1: and she's threatening. I never got the feeling that she
Speaker 1: had that stuff on her. I thought she meant like
Speaker 1: I have weapons in my arsenal and I'll come for
Speaker 1: you or whatever. I never I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: like a big threat. I thought what Kenya did was
Speaker 1: way worse, way worse.
Speaker 2: Difficult to watch, yeah, stating to see it's like we're
Speaker 2: on the same page there, Okay, but Britt should have
Speaker 2: been reprim I mean Britt came to apologize like Kenya,
Speaker 2: I can't believe she did that. It's like, it's sad
Speaker 2: to see you kind of see this rage on her
Speaker 2: in a way of like just this anger. Where was
Speaker 2: she wasn't even thinking clear, like it was this huge
Speaker 2: event for her. Was like so Kenya so basically okay.
Speaker 2: So that's at the dinner the night before Britt, they
Speaker 2: get into a fight and Brittany, I think Britt has been,
Speaker 2: you know, picking at her in this way, threatens her.
Speaker 2: So now it's a hair salon opening. You know, Kenya's
Speaker 2: being really vulnerable. She like, I put a lot of
Speaker 2: money into this. I need this to be a success.
Speaker 2: It's this huge party. Britt does come, apologizes, brings flowers.
Speaker 3: So but ken You ignores her, ignores.
Speaker 1: Her, flatly, does not won't look at her, talks like
Speaker 1: over her, like yeah.
Speaker 3: Because she already wanted to do this.
Speaker 2: So then all of a sudden, Kenya starts doing a
Speaker 2: fucking speech britt the moment photo. I don't know if
Speaker 2: the photos came whatever. Brittany actually leave, britt. I don't
Speaker 2: know why keep calling our Brittany. She's never said it
Speaker 2: was Brittany. So so britt leaves. Kenya has three rounds
Speaker 2: of like blown up photos. Who printed those on like
Speaker 2: foam core.
Speaker 1: We're talking like you're trying to get extra credit for
Speaker 1: the high school presentation. Foam core photos printed that Bravo
Speaker 1: has blurred out, like we can't even see these photos.
Speaker 3: And one is of this woman sucking a dick.
Speaker 2: But what people have said was like, but if it's
Speaker 2: on the internet, then like who cares if it's public
Speaker 2: and you show it, and I'm like I was before
Speaker 2: I watched it, I go, okay, maybe like if you
Speaker 2: did poor that's not I thought, like Cynthia Pore, everyone left.
Speaker 2: The vibe shifted. She did a terrible call. She got
Speaker 2: everybody's attention.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was just like girls, look at
Speaker 1: this stuff that I found of her on the internet.
Speaker 3: This is the girl it's coming for me, she blew it.
Speaker 1: Oh stop the grand opening of this salon that matters
Speaker 1: to her, which I feel like, you're also that's like
Speaker 1: they're always talking about being classy and versus trashy, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, don't do this at your thing. But
Speaker 1: how many fights on the Real Housewives franchises have there
Speaker 1: been where there's stuff that's like but it's on the blog?
Speaker 1: So who cares if I talk about it? And they're like,
Speaker 1: it's different when you bring it to a national stage,
Speaker 1: when you bring it to a television show, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's very different. And there's photos of her
Speaker 1: sucking dick on the internet. I would have never seen those, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for those.
Speaker 3: It was nonconsensual.
Speaker 2: She took these explicit photos and the reaction of her
Speaker 2: co stars is what's very telling. But should she have
Speaker 2: been fired? Like is that worse than physically assaulting people?
Speaker 2: Pulling post what we've seen before, beating the shit like
Speaker 2: fully going to prison for defrauding people? Like I don't
Speaker 2: know what what what are the rules? Because was she
Speaker 2: fired that day or did they edit her out from
Speaker 2: the rest, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea I remember hearing about this when
Speaker 1: it like happened like through you know, blogs or whatever
Speaker 1: and instagrams, but I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the timeline was.
Speaker 1: But literally, I think that they might be thinking about
Speaker 1: the premeditation of it. A ponytail poll when you've been
Speaker 1: drinking for hours and you're fighting with each other, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a little bit of the premise
Speaker 1: of the show is that there's all these interpersonal dynamics
Speaker 1: that's one thing, researching and blowing up and calling attention.
Speaker 1: Like they might think, oh, well, she like fully premeditated this.
Speaker 1: This wasn't something she did off the cuff, like in
Speaker 1: a moment of passion.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, like we separated for crimes. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no she was She didn't take the apology.
Speaker 2: She just wanted to do it and there was nothing
Speaker 2: stopping her and she felt in the right and she
Speaker 2: went too dirty and too low. Yeah, I can't believe
Speaker 2: she like fucked up her legacy for this off for
Speaker 2: this new girl.
Speaker 3: But I hate when the new girls come in too
Speaker 3: strong too.
Speaker 1: I do too, But it's like they be like it
Speaker 1: was barely I don't even know what started it?
Speaker 3: Was it asking about the wedding ring? I don't even
Speaker 3: know what started it?
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, and maybe she was being like a
Speaker 2: little not not friendly, but like Britches was so like Bob,
Speaker 2: Like I think she was coming from the lens of
Speaker 2: like Kenya, this is Kenya, Like wasn't seeing her as
Speaker 2: who she was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then but she fed into it.
Speaker 1: But again also I think those girls want to get
Speaker 1: into a fight quick so that you know they've got
Speaker 1: something going on on the show, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't wait to talk to my friends.
Speaker 2: Soon before it came out, we're like, whatever, the photo's
Speaker 2: already out, because once you see it, it's like pretty uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It's really uncomfortable, Like people are leaving in droves like it,
Speaker 1: and every confessional is like, girl, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: But do you want to talk about, uh, the finale
Speaker 1: of White Loaded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do White Lotus and then we'll get right
Speaker 2: into SVU, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Spoilers coming.
Speaker 1: Okay, We're just gonna talk about the finale of White
Speaker 1: Lotus if you want to press fast forward.
Speaker 2: But you know what, like last season when people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: but this is that Mike White was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious what was going down, Like I made it
Speaker 2: clear these were like people trying to kill you know.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I don't know why people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a mysteries, like I make it so obvious, and
Speaker 2: because I think that's one of the things the complaints
Speaker 2: was like, ah obvious, and it's like yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think he's like shut up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He also went on Howard start.
Speaker 2: He's like, I guess people don't like this one as much,
Speaker 2: like really self aware. I'm like obsessed with Mike White,
Speaker 2: but I liked it. I'm sad I want more. I
Speaker 2: would watch the show for twenty eight episodes every year
Speaker 2: for eight years, Like I don't know. I say, I'm
Speaker 2: sad it's done. I hope we get more, and I
Speaker 2: think there is I read somewhere there's a four. I mean,
Speaker 2: it would be crazy if they did it. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I heard it's not going to be a beach. So
Speaker 2: I actually watched like a reel that was like where
Speaker 2: should they go next time? Like oh, like I slimd
Speaker 2: or like they have to have a four seasons, Like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff. So they were saying like
Speaker 2: a safari type thing. There's Paris, there's like a Swiss
Speaker 2: that like a skiing.
Speaker 3: Thing, a skie or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean cool, I will follow him anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm like obsessed. Yeah yeah, No.
Speaker 3: I loved the season. I thought that it was really dark.
Speaker 1: It was like really ominous, like more so than past seasons.
Speaker 1: Like but yeah, the end was like wild, Like it
Speaker 1: was really just about how people like make all these
Speaker 1: different choices that are you know, not who you.
Speaker 3: I don't know you.
Speaker 1: There were people that I was like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to think that's like who you were, but like
Speaker 1: it does people do make choices kind of based on
Speaker 1: Lenny and all kinds of like guy talk.
Speaker 3: Like Belinda, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Because at the end of the day, Greg didn't kill Tanya.
Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't do it. So it's like at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's like murder.
Speaker 1: Why why the fuck was I so scared of carry
Speaker 1: the shiny.
Speaker 2: Shady And maybe he would have and he didn't, like
Speaker 2: like I don't think he's a great guy, but or
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: He knew they were they were divorcing.
Speaker 1: He knew that they were like getting they were leaving
Speaker 1: each other, right, weren't they breaking up and he still
Speaker 1: took all the money.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what's bad about him. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: that's there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: She's like, this is hush murder money and it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Aria is an alibi to be honest, he was
Speaker 2: at the hotel.
Speaker 3: I forgot where he was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I can't believe it's even
Speaker 1: like a mystery. Didn't they find all the other gays
Speaker 1: that were trying to murder her, like in the boat?
Speaker 2: Well, oh, you know what, it might be unsolved. We
Speaker 2: just saw what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, like
Speaker 2: it could be we yeah, the cops could have not solved.
Speaker 1: But you're right in terms of like in terms of
Speaker 1: the like moral conundrum of it. We know what happened.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why I'm even mad at Belinda.
Speaker 1: I was like, Belinda sold out for the money. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: she didn't, she didn't.
Speaker 2: It's also fine, what what she needs to be murdered
Speaker 2: to have ethics?
Speaker 3: Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: But also I I don't like that they're trying to
Speaker 1: make it seem like she's doing a poor chai, which
Speaker 1: Tanya did to her it's like so different.
Speaker 2: It's so annoying. I hate this. Yes, it's like such
Speaker 2: a trick. It's so annoying, and maybe it's a tinger,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a thought, and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: have a discussion. But it's not the same. And I'm
Speaker 2: annoyed actually that people think it is. It's not the same.
Speaker 2: She turned into Tanya. This guy fucked her then brought
Speaker 2: up starting a business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one day they hoped up on and she didn't
Speaker 1: seem like she was into the idea even when he
Speaker 1: first brought it up. And I don't even think he
Speaker 1: knows she has all this money, so it's not like
Speaker 1: it's like the power balance. Even though the power balance
Speaker 1: is that we know it's there, it's not there for him.
Speaker 3: So it's different.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I love what her son was like the spot and
Speaker 2: she goes, can I just be rich for what a minute?
Speaker 2: Five minutes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like sother fucker. But I love Zion.
Speaker 2: I also love the moment of if that therapist just
Speaker 2: talking like why couldn't she see that Greg was in crisis?
Speaker 2: That that Rick Rick? Yeah, why couldn't she see that
Speaker 2: Rick was in crisis?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, would you be like, Zion, can
Speaker 2: you just give me like ten this man? Yeah, it's crazed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like yeah, right, exactly did you know that
Speaker 1: there was a cut scene where Piper and Zion hook up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pissed. Yeah, I want more, That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Why is an eight? Give me more? Yeah?
Speaker 2: All the discussions, all the interviews are like, cause Carrie
Speaker 2: Coon did an interview that like so much was cut,
Speaker 2: that they had so much dialogue that was cut, and
Speaker 2: like there's all this stuff, and so to.
Speaker 3: Me, I'm like, who is HBO? Could we just give
Speaker 3: us twelve episodes?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: What's with the lippets? I don't get it. I don't you.
Speaker 1: Guys were there for six months making this show, like
Speaker 1: give us ten, you know, like we could do ten.
Speaker 2: I just don't get why you have to cut it
Speaker 2: like we're in, we are in, so like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I also love the end that the like the Russian
Speaker 2: dudes are right away with new women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and guess it's like that they just do this
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: I really loved and I loved I don't like that
Speaker 2: they soul from the thing, but I like that he
Speaker 2: didn't want to tell on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't like I will say
Speaker 1: I didn't really love how the three women's storyline ended up,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't. I didn't think that Like I thought
Speaker 1: that there was gonna be a more honest, like reckoning
Speaker 1: in their friendship of like how they all feel about
Speaker 1: each other, which the penultimate episode kind of attempted and
Speaker 1: didn't really do.
Speaker 3: And then the whole point though, is that they're just
Speaker 3: gonna all keep faking it forever.
Speaker 2: No, they had this, They're gonna have this great last night, drunk,
Speaker 2: fun night, and they're gonna remember these good memories and
Speaker 2: then they'll see each other next year.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know Mary Coon I thought her speech.
Speaker 3: I was confused by the speech. I was like, these.
Speaker 1: Women make you sad when you're with them, you feel
Speaker 1: sad about your life. I don't understand why that why
Speaker 1: you're just happy to be at the table, Like I thought,
Speaker 1: Carrie Coon's character was the most relatable character, was the
Speaker 1: most interesting character, and of the three of them, and
Speaker 1: she that was.
Speaker 3: My big issue with Vulture this year.
Speaker 2: All the recaps were like carry Kon's character is a
Speaker 2: fucking loser. It was like crazy they're like ugh, and
Speaker 2: she acted not and I'm like I always scroll through
Speaker 2: those comments and the people were with me of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: your take is actually really wrong, and Kate's like a mediac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I liked what she was saying about. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna gloss over the fact that Jacqueline
Speaker 1: absolutely did that on purpose to fucking spite you, Like
Speaker 1: she absolutely did the Valentine thing on purpose, like she did.
Speaker 3: Kate is a full religious.
Speaker 1: Trumper now, and you're going to gonna gloss over that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's like that her
Speaker 1: superpower is her vulnerability, and in her vulnerability, she's just
Speaker 1: like I'm just like so happy to be able to
Speaker 1: even hang out with you guys. It's like what I loved,
Speaker 1: Like this the part I totally got, the part about
Speaker 1: like what is my religion? And it's not my business,
Speaker 1: it's not my daughter or child. Again, apparently there was
Speaker 1: much more fleshed out about her life at home that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. It wasn't marriage, so what is
Speaker 1: my thing? And I'm like, I don't know. You seem
Speaker 1: like the most vulnerable of all of them, the most
Speaker 1: willing to try new things the most like honest of
Speaker 1: all of them, you have a lot of great qualities.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're like, I'm glad you're pretty
Speaker 1: and that you have a perfect life, and I'm just
Speaker 1: glad I'm at the table.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't like get the end of the and some
Speaker 1: people are like loving that I don't relate to.
Speaker 2: I liked the speech because she's such a good actress,
Speaker 2: you know, like this girl was feeling it. And you know,
Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned Daniel Bayer Jackson for a while friendship expert,
Speaker 2: but her big thing is like you know, we we
Speaker 2: really like idolize or like think highly of long term
Speaker 2: friendships or relationships, but like time doesn't mean they're functional
Speaker 2: or positive or non toxic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, right, you.
Speaker 2: Could be friends from someone from high school or grade
Speaker 2: school for forty years and never change same patterns do
Speaker 2: all this fucked up shit? And I think that's what
Speaker 2: this is showing, Like even when we were like married
Speaker 2: fifty years and it's like, okay, but how long have
Speaker 2: they lived in different wings of the house, Like what
Speaker 2: are we actually celebrating here? And so I think this
Speaker 2: was a more realistic showing and how people don't change
Speaker 2: in like how to her time. Time is what she
Speaker 2: has with these women and that's not nothing. And so
Speaker 2: I got that where it's like it doesn't mean it's positive,
Speaker 2: but I feel it's realistic. And I think, how many
Speaker 2: women because I follow this Chelsea Fagan she started the
Speaker 2: financial I used to read her articles on Thought Catalog
Speaker 2: and she did a real and she was just like,
Speaker 2: if you're relating to this and thinking.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, reminds me of my friends, Like do not
Speaker 3: be friends?
Speaker 1: Like that is not right, that's not being Carrion was
Speaker 1: gonna be like that your president saying like you should
Speaker 1: not want your friends, like you shouldn' want to even
Speaker 1: talk about your friends like that or to do those
Speaker 1: things like it's all psychotic.
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's real.
Speaker 2: I also think he took inspiration from the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: to create these women, and that is a real housewife
Speaker 2: trope of FLI conflict, conflict, toxic, toxic. And then they
Speaker 2: have one drunk night and they're topless in the pool
Speaker 2: in Turks and caicos and their friends again and they
Speaker 2: cry and hug at the reunion.
Speaker 3: It's like very housewives.
Speaker 2: I think it's really realistic, and I think I think
Speaker 2: people were more into it, and even I was and
Speaker 2: teared up because it's her performance.
Speaker 3: I agree, she's a great actress.
Speaker 1: I just thought, like the character like this woman, Like
Speaker 1: I thought she was going to be like make a change.
Speaker 1: Like I just thought she was going to be like
Speaker 1: I love that, I love you guys, but like this
Speaker 1: is my last trip with you, like or something like that,
Speaker 1: Like I can't just keep being on these trips with
Speaker 1: you where I feel like shit the entire time, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I you know, I thought that that was going
Speaker 1: to be her character led me to believe that there
Speaker 1: was going to be a different outcome, and I guess
Speaker 1: I was a little bit disappointed. Obviously all were killer
Speaker 1: like Leslie bay Aboud, watch what happens?
Speaker 2: She was saying. He and he asked, like do you
Speaker 2: think these women? Do you think Kate likes these women?
Speaker 2: And she goes, yeah, it's like all she has Like
Speaker 2: to her, it's this real friendship, like she does love them,
Speaker 2: you know, And I feel like that might be somebody
Speaker 2: that's real. But like that trip wasn't fun. I am
Speaker 2: glad she at least said she was sad during the
Speaker 2: trip because the other two saying, well, how much fun
Speaker 2: they had them like, their trip looks like the least
Speaker 2: fun they had that one like like Leslie Bibb.
Speaker 1: To me, seems like the kind of person her character,
Speaker 1: not her. Kate seems like the kind of person that
Speaker 1: is friends with Jacqueline cacause she's famous and is friends
Speaker 1: with Carrie Kuon because it makes her feel better about
Speaker 1: her life. Like, not that she loves them and that
Speaker 1: loves spending time with them. They have completely different ideals
Speaker 1: from her. They have completely different philosophies. She doesn't really
Speaker 1: like going out and partying and doing like the fun
Speaker 1: stuff that even when they were having fun, she was
Speaker 1: barely having fun, you know, like I don't know that.
Speaker 1: To me, she seems like, well, I gotta go on
Speaker 1: this trip to like maintain.
Speaker 3: Because I think she laughs depth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's as calculated as you're making
Speaker 2: it seem. I think she just lacks depth or like
Speaker 2: she doesn't know herself. She doesn't go deep with herself,
Speaker 2: so why would she go deep with others?
Speaker 3: She doesn't.
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't think that she's a surface. I don't
Speaker 1: think she would say the things I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: those are the reasons, though, like I don't think she
Speaker 1: would say it out loud and be like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: friends with this girl because she's an actor. But I
Speaker 1: think ultimately that is why she likes hanging out with
Speaker 1: Carrie Koon and Jacqueline.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing the internet said, I don't really care,
Speaker 2: but what they wanted more of the interaction between Parker
Speaker 2: Posey and like Leslie Bibb in that first episode or
Speaker 2: second episode at the breakfast table.
Speaker 1: So you've obviously been all over the internet, so maybe
Speaker 1: you've heard this, but there's there's this theory that Parker
Speaker 1: Posey knows the entire time, She knows about the money
Speaker 1: and all that shit the entire time, and she's already
Speaker 1: moved money to the Caymans because I guess she brings
Speaker 1: up the Caymans a couple of times, and you know,
Speaker 1: the Caymans is where people like launder their money because
Speaker 1: you can't like get it, you can't can't get touched.
Speaker 3: By the US.
Speaker 1: And that one of the reasons why, Because to me,
Speaker 1: Parker Posey is the kind of person that even if
Speaker 1: she didn't remember Leslie Bibb's character. She would have gone, oh,
Speaker 1: it's great to see you, you know, like she would
Speaker 1: have still done a little high high high. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's out here partying on boats with guys she thinks
Speaker 1: are disgusting old men, married to two young women. She's
Speaker 1: not exactly like too good for certain people in this
Speaker 1: like on this trip, but she won't give Leslie bib
Speaker 1: the time of day. And I think it's because she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want people to know, like.
Speaker 3: Where we are. That's this a theory.
Speaker 1: This is a theory that she doesn't like getting recognized
Speaker 1: because she doesn't want anyone to clock where she is
Speaker 1: because they've already moved money and she's you know, it's.
Speaker 3: A good theory. Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I just wonder how if she could have hit it
Speaker 2: like that for so long.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean people want bin off. She's sociopathic, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: The next thing needs to be she's like her, I
Speaker 1: need her post the blow up of what happens. But
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Anyway, let's start right. Okay, We've got
Speaker 1: a great episode for you guys today. As usual, you
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Speaker 2: Okay, we will be doing a brief interlude today which
Speaker 2: kind of sounds like a song, but it's not. It's
Speaker 2: a nightmare. Season fourteen, well it actually starts with some music.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Season fourteen, episode twenty three, Michael Jordan. We're at a concert.
Speaker 2: Violin violins and weird shaped guitars, so it's very google bardello,
Speaker 2: fun funky folk vibes.
Speaker 1: I was googling it to see if it was them, Like,
Speaker 1: I was like, this has to be them, but it's not.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was. Yeah, they have more funky.
Speaker 2: There's like an old man there in the band, wildly
Speaker 2: bellied dancers. In the bathroom, a woman's putting on lipstick
Speaker 2: and then another woman is kissing her, gives her a
Speaker 2: pill and she's like, oh my god, another one, but
Speaker 2: she takes it. The concert is kicking up, but never mind,
Speaker 2: it's actually intermission. He will be right back this like,
Speaker 2: you know, this weird shape guitar guy and he tells
Speaker 2: the DJ to keep the party going. The lead singer's
Speaker 2: in a striped buttoned down, unbuttoned really giving the boy
Speaker 2: in the stripe pajamas and a boiler rim hat, and
Speaker 2: he's approaching this girl who knows him, you know. She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's Santiago and and then he says like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: always recording. She wants a copy of this concert. She's
Speaker 2: kissing the singer on the dance floor. They're dancing. The
Speaker 2: woman from the bathroom joins in and it's like a
Speaker 2: sexy three way style dance, but she it's actually too
Speaker 2: much and she wants to go so and she exits
Speaker 2: the venue. She's shivering. It's nighttime, she's cold, but yeah,
Speaker 2: so she left. They were kind of bummed and they're
Speaker 2: a horny, but they didn't follow her. And then it
Speaker 2: cuts to the daytime and there's a Lulu Lemon mom ass,
Speaker 2: like a real close up of an ass. It's really wild,
Speaker 2: and she has like a ponytail through the back cutout
Speaker 2: of her baseball cap. She has a stroller and she's
Speaker 2: looking for something. She hits up a bridge and she
Speaker 2: sees two teen guys fiddling with a dead or pasted
Speaker 2: out woman. But a woman not moving from the night before,
Speaker 2: and you know, we assume it's the woman.
Speaker 3: It's a little boat.
Speaker 2: She's in a little rowboat, and the mom calls the cops.
Speaker 2: Benson arrives in a blue trench and straight hair, and
Speaker 2: Tomorrow is there with a tie and information.
Speaker 3: The boat.
Speaker 2: It's a white Jane Doe, torn clothing, non responsive but alive,
Speaker 2: thank god. Blunt forces, trauma to the head, bite marks
Speaker 2: on breasts disgusting, and then unfortunately we have bruised thighs,
Speaker 2: scrapes on knees, no wallet, no phone, no jewelry, just
Speaker 2: a rowboat outside Gracie mansion.
Speaker 3: And we learned later that's like where the mayor lives.
Speaker 2: So interesting when we got to find out who she
Speaker 2: is and where she floated from.
Speaker 3: So the credits begin. Craigan's on the case.
Speaker 2: He's like, my ears are ringing, Gray c manson, we
Speaker 2: need to move fast. We got to find these two
Speaker 2: teens that were digging in her pockets. So we're going
Speaker 2: we have to talk to the jogger mom. We have
Speaker 2: a classic trench rollins bench and a scrunched up face
Speaker 2: fin and then Mom is like, oh, those boys wouldn't
Speaker 2: have attacked her. And Ronind's goes those boys you know them,
Speaker 2: and she goes, well, no, but I see them. I
Speaker 2: mean I sort of know them. Okay, bitch, it's like
Speaker 2: you're covering for something. There's a dead woman kident out
Speaker 2: really but like, let's go. She's like, well, my husband
Speaker 2: will kill me, and Rollins says like, are you fucking
Speaker 2: these teens? And she's like, no, no, no, no. I
Speaker 2: was there to meet one of the boys, Jasper, to
Speaker 2: buy pills. I just buy pills off the teen adderall.
Speaker 2: She meets him before and after school, but now she
Speaker 2: has to leave to go to baby yoga, and Finn
Speaker 2: is like, you're not going to baby yoga, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: staying right here. Omaro is back with Benson and Craigan
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, I mean dressed like that,
Speaker 2: it could be a working girl, and Benson responds, you
Speaker 2: should get out more. Everyone dresses like that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that. She put him in his place slutshaming.
Speaker 2: But we got to go to the hospital for when
Speaker 2: she wakes up, we see her tube in the neck.
Speaker 3: It's a lot not good.
Speaker 2: Her princes aren't in the system, and nobody with her
Speaker 2: description has been reported missing in the last forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: Warner arrives.
Speaker 2: She says it's for sure a sexual assault, and Omar
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay, Warner's working fast, and Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a half naked woman. So she washed up in
Speaker 2: the Mayor's mansion. Everyone's working a little bit fast. Melinda's
Speaker 2: in a suit, which I don't know. I just need
Speaker 2: her in a morg outfit. I really don't like her
Speaker 2: outside the morgue. It makes me uncomfortable. And she had
Speaker 2: a pop like a lip color. I wonder if she
Speaker 2: came from court, you know what I mean. It seems
Speaker 2: like she was doing something else and was brought to
Speaker 2: immediately do this case. But no good news from her,
Speaker 2: you know, coma. The pressure from the head wound is increasing.
Speaker 2: She was hit with a wooden object. There were splinters
Speaker 2: in her head. There's no sign of chronic drug use,
Speaker 2: but she did have MDMA and liquor in her system,
Speaker 2: so she could have been partying or drugged or something else.
Speaker 2: We you know, we have to do some investigative work.
Speaker 2: Melinda adds that she has stainless steel stitching for an
Speaker 2: old hernia, and that's not common in the us, so
Speaker 2: she has to be from somewhere else and Amaro's like
Speaker 2: third world and she's like, no, she has a dentistry done,
Speaker 2: so it's first world. So just specifics there, I don't know, okay,
Speaker 2: And she goes in one more thing. She's at least
Speaker 2: had two children, and so we got to find her
Speaker 2: next of kids. She's like, you guys need to get moving.
Speaker 2: It's a big center precinct meeting. They have nothing. It's
Speaker 2: been eight hours and nothing, but it's about to be
Speaker 2: three pm, which means school's letting out, So let's find
Speaker 2: these pill teens. We have leggings mom with Finn watching
Speaker 2: from afar and Rollins is posing as another mom and she,
Speaker 2: you know, she finds a way to flirt with these
Speaker 2: teens and is desperate for drugs.
Speaker 3: This is so of the time.
Speaker 1: I feel like Desperate Housewives did, like a whole storyline
Speaker 1: about how.
Speaker 3: What's her fucking name?
Speaker 1: The actress who the city Huffman, Felicity Huffman's character like
Speaker 1: is abusing her children's adderall and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: This just feels very of this exact time period. So
Speaker 3: I've never.
Speaker 2: Watched the show, but for some reason, my YouTube shorts.
Speaker 2: Algorithm is just clips from house Gray's Anatomy, other medical shows,
Speaker 2: nine shows. I've never seen any actor from and Desperate
Speaker 2: House Desperate Housewives, And my question is it's only mostly
Speaker 2: Able Longoria. But it was her character just out of
Speaker 2: her mind. She was just like shopping and crazy and just.
Speaker 1: Like like a complete cartoon character person. Yeah, like cheating
Speaker 1: on her husband from the minute it started, but then
Speaker 1: like yeah, also spending his money crazy, Like yeah, she's
Speaker 1: a full cartoon character person. But I think it's like
Speaker 1: going off the algorithm that you like Housewives, so you
Speaker 1: might like Desperate Like you know, you might like Dust,
Speaker 1: Women who Kill or Why Women Kale shows up like
Speaker 1: and then you watch SVU, so you might like nine
Speaker 1: one one and all these other like procedurals. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe speaking of medical dramas, everybody is telling me that
Speaker 1: the Pit. Everybody loves the Pit. I gotta watch the Pit. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you are issuing the pit though for I
Speaker 1: heard it's a different concept though, Like the concept of
Speaker 1: the pit, which I didn't know is that it's it's
Speaker 1: twenty four hours or twelve hours in an ear, but
Speaker 1: like it's it's so it's like more like the show
Speaker 1: twenty four but in an er you know, yeah you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you because they have
Speaker 1: Noah Wyley. Again, I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the lawsuit's about, but I love how in this scene.
Speaker 1: Also in this episode, like they just put Rollins in
Speaker 1: the exact same outfit as the woman that was adderall shopping,
Speaker 1: Like they just have her in like same, like she's
Speaker 1: in like a Yankee hat.
Speaker 3: But that's what it's like. I had.
Speaker 2: I brought a friend to soul cycle and they were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, everyone looks the same.
Speaker 3: I got yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in Lulru's but whatever.
Speaker 2: Rollin's arrests Jasper immediately. The other one tries to run
Speaker 2: and Finn runs right into him and where it's me
Speaker 2: room bars. Quickly, Finn and Rollins are with gray Hoodie,
Speaker 2: which is non Jasper, and he's like, no, it's not drugs,
Speaker 2: it's prescription, and they're like, babe, it's a controlled substance.
Speaker 2: Like we're not blaming semantics here, we're in cement room bars.
Speaker 3: This is serious.
Speaker 2: He blames Jasper for everything we cut tomorrow and Benson
Speaker 2: with him and he puts this all on Todd and
Speaker 2: you know, and then he goes old money. So this guy,
Speaker 2: I guess is old money. And Benson's like, oh, so
Speaker 2: you just do whatever the rich boy says. And he
Speaker 2: told you to rape the woman and he's no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. We saw him floating. Todd wanted to check
Speaker 2: her pockets, so I don't know, there must be making
Speaker 2: a comment about old money and picking for pockets, like
Speaker 2: you're rich, what are you doing? You're old money? Like
Speaker 2: why are you checking a body?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So we cut Yeah, why would you go to a
Speaker 2: boy I just can't even imagine. I can't understand this
Speaker 2: at all, rich or not rich? Why are you diddling
Speaker 2: with a dead person brant or breathing slowly?
Speaker 3: So whatever?
Speaker 2: We cut to the white boy rich and he's like,
Speaker 2: do I look like a drug dealer? Because Jasper's black,
Speaker 2: So he's doing that now. So he's a terrible friend
Speaker 2: on top of all of this. And fing goes, no,
Speaker 2: but you do look like a fucking rapist, and he
Speaker 2: gets nervous and he's like, whatever, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: go through her pocket, so I'm a good guy. And
Speaker 2: he took lipstick and loose change and he was gonna
Speaker 2: give it to his mother, Like, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on with this guy? Whatever, But they did find
Speaker 2: a key card for a hotel. Okay, we got somewhere,
Speaker 2: so we're going to the Times Square Motor Lodge.
Speaker 3: We go to the room.
Speaker 2: The hotel manager is nervous and annoying and asking questions.
Speaker 2: This actor did a great job, but like he's just
Speaker 2: concerned about the wrong things and he's annoying the shit
Speaker 2: out of Benson, and they're like, go get the security
Speaker 2: footage and phone logs, you dumb bitch. And they go
Speaker 2: into the room. Amaro and Benson enter. They're like, this
Speaker 2: place is a mess. This must have been ransacked. But
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is how I live my life in
Speaker 2: hotels too. I was like, this looks totally normal, honestly.
Speaker 2: But then I do see that the lamp is knocked over,
Speaker 2: so that does give a ransack clue. They put their
Speaker 2: gloves on, they're ready to work. She's been shopping, they're
Speaker 2: sexy clothing. There was all this cash left, but not
Speaker 2: a robbery. Canadian passport is in the hotel safe. Her
Speaker 2: name is Ariel Randolph and she came to the country
Speaker 2: four days ago. There is a tablet power cord and
Speaker 2: an iPhone charger, but no phone and no calls from
Speaker 2: the landline. So they're at an office computer going through
Speaker 2: her online activity and Benson's annoyed at this hotel manager
Speaker 2: trying to meddle and she screams it here, get out
Speaker 2: of here now. Little guy in the suit runs out
Speaker 2: and they're in the eye class whatever.
Speaker 3: They're doing fake stuff.
Speaker 2: They're saying MP three's this is definitely a season fourteen.
Speaker 2: But they're going through her photos and Facebook. There's music
Speaker 2: tagged places. They also find the security frontage and someone
Speaker 2: five hours after she was found was in there, but
Speaker 2: he's dressed for surveillance cameras, so he's fully hidden and
Speaker 2: he knew how to hide. But she did do video
Speaker 2: chats twice a day to the same numbers, so they
Speaker 2: call the number and uh oh, like a Sun answers
Speaker 2: and he's like, where's my mom And she introduces herself
Speaker 2: and then another smaller boy pops on the screen and
Speaker 2: Amaro and Benson are sad this is happening. So it's
Speaker 2: Ariel Randolph, thirty two from Edmonton. I have performed in
Speaker 2: them all there a few times she's a music blogger
Speaker 2: and podcast host. Okay, and the husband is Matt Randolph,
Speaker 2: fifty five, local celebrity in Western Canada, so kind of
Speaker 2: a thrill. He's the host of a TV show called
Speaker 2: Canadian Days and Nights. They have two sons, Wayne and Grant,
Speaker 2: ten and twelve, and she's a married mother of two.
Speaker 2: What was she doing alone in the city, Craigan asks,
Speaker 2: like so backwards, like a woman can't take a trip,
Speaker 2: and Finn says, I guess, I guess it wasn't socially
Speaker 2: acceptable in twenty fourteen to take a trip. Finn says
Speaker 2: she was here to do podcasts. It was the Karen
Speaker 2: Avasi whatever, I don't give a fuck World Music Festival.
Speaker 2: She has dozens of MP threes of different bands that
Speaker 2: were all at the fest, and they heard from her
Speaker 2: the morning before she went missing. She was gonna pack
Speaker 2: and edit her podcast, but instead she decided to go out.
Speaker 2: Her husband seemed out of the dark about her party
Speaker 2: life and is confused because she's like a pta person
Speaker 2: and loves crafts. Finn goes, well, she's into something more
Speaker 2: than fiddles and accordions. Amara's like the hotel manager said,
Speaker 2: she got two keys, Like, that's a clue. That's like
Speaker 2: when they find why classes, I'm like, I always get
Speaker 2: too because if I lose one or I leave what, like,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? Rollins is looking through the
Speaker 2: phone records and multiple calls to several different phone numbers,
Speaker 2: So we're gonna track the numbers. Kragan's like, her family
Speaker 2: arrives in six hours, and I want to have answers
Speaker 2: for them. So we go to the home of Phil
Speaker 2: d'sapio in Brooklyn. He's holding a box and you know,
Speaker 2: she called this man multiple times and he's editing her
Speaker 2: podcast and he's like shocked at what happened. He has
Speaker 2: a girlfriend, everything was professional. He's like, I don't think
Speaker 2: she like came to town to hook up with a sound engineer.
Speaker 1: And he can't, Casey, I thought of you, And he
Speaker 1: can't really like pinpoint where exactly he was he or
Speaker 1: where anyone was He's like, there's a couple dozen shows
Speaker 1: in the city, back to back.
Speaker 2: It's a whole worldwide festival. It could be anybody. He says,
Speaker 2: I don't mean to seem rude, but she seemed like
Speaker 2: a groupie in search of a group. So now we're
Speaker 2: suddenly at PS twenty seven in a school talking to
Speaker 2: a principal guy and he's like, yeah, another parent gave
Speaker 2: him the number to me. She had a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: She was thinking about moving here and putting her sons
Speaker 2: at the school. Finn and Rollins dropped that she is
Speaker 2: in a Koma now and the guy puts it all
Speaker 2: together with the Gracie mansion case he saw on the
Speaker 2: news and he is shocked it's her as well.
Speaker 3: He's like that, we've met. She seemed sweet.
Speaker 2: He knows nothing else except that she worked for music
Speaker 2: and didn't even tell him why she was thinking of
Speaker 2: a movie. She she just but she did only talk
Speaker 2: about her sons, not her husband, not once. So Amorrow
Speaker 2: meets with Benson in the morgue like fuck, we are
Speaker 2: zero and five. No one knew what she was up to,
Speaker 2: and Melinda walks in with some science. So the DNA
Speaker 2: match does it match the teens, which duh, we didn't
Speaker 2: think they like bit her breasts and there's no semen
Speaker 2: but saliva and then the bite marks for one male,
Speaker 2: then more saliva from another male on her neck, and
Speaker 2: then DNA under her fingernails from a third male. So
Speaker 2: this night is getting worse and worse. Three assailants or
Speaker 2: is some of it party saliva. You know she did
Speaker 2: come to New York City to party party saliva.
Speaker 3: Hugely possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, from the outfits to the plans,
Speaker 2: she wants to you know, have a good time.
Speaker 3: But Ring Ring.
Speaker 2: The family's on the way to the hospital. They have
Speaker 2: to go talk to the husband. So Benson and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: meet the family in the hallway. The boys are sweet,
Speaker 2: and the dad we actually know it's actor Richard Thomas
Speaker 2: who was in the episode Scorge Scourge. Yeah, he had
Speaker 2: syphilis brain raw and been working since the Waltons and so,
Speaker 2: and now he's here. The boys go to see their
Speaker 2: mother and Benson holds the husband back and explains, like,
Speaker 2: just heads up, she's very badly her but they want
Speaker 2: to go. Everyone wants to go. So they go into
Speaker 2: the room and everyone is shocked because you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's tough and it's an emotional moment for the family,
Speaker 2: and they try talking to her.
Speaker 3: The little boy as a bowl cut.
Speaker 2: Benson feels for everybody, and now we're in the cafeteria
Speaker 2: has been in Tomorrow. It's a dire situation. The brain
Speaker 2: pressure the rape. It's all a lot, and Amaro's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, does she know anyone here?
Speaker 3: Was she in contact?
Speaker 2: And He's like you don't you think it's someone she knows,
Speaker 2: like to me, not a stranger, Like I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2: And Amaro's like, well, did you know what she was
Speaker 2: doing here? Any details? He's like, no, she was just
Speaker 2: gonna go to concerts. And every time we video conference,
Speaker 2: we mostly talked about the boys. Omaros asks if they
Speaker 2: were on good terms and he hesitates, but then he
Speaker 2: does answer yes, and he's like, well, this is what
Speaker 2: she called an adventure. She wanted to go on an
Speaker 2: adventure and it's her first adventure. And then tomorrow like
Speaker 2: such a patriarchy. Bro as like and you were okay
Speaker 2: with that? And he's like no, to be honest, I
Speaker 2: wasn't thrilled. But the boys are older and Ariel gave
Speaker 2: up a lot on her dreams to start a family,
Speaker 2: so this was important to her in her career. Benson
Speaker 2: and Rollins are the stuffed animals in the gift shop
Speaker 2: with the boys, and Rollins talks to the little boy
Speaker 2: and Benson is grilling the older boy. JK is just
Speaker 2: like talking about the trip, and the boy said she
Speaker 2: wanted them to see the world, and that he that
Speaker 2: she had mentioned moving to New York and wanted to
Speaker 2: give him a life that was more fun than the
Speaker 2: one she had and to meet different types of people.
Speaker 2: And then he picks up like a New York post
Speaker 2: what do they call it, the ledger of the New
Speaker 2: York Ledger Ledger, Yeah, and the headline is about his
Speaker 2: mom and it says coma vic partied hard devastating.
Speaker 3: He's like, is this true?
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, they're just trying to sell papers, like
Speaker 2: you know who your mom is, don't let anyone fuck
Speaker 2: with you. And oh my god, who do we see
Speaker 2: at the hospital gift shop? The sound engineer, So you
Speaker 2: know he's startled by seeing the detectives.
Speaker 1: Can I just say the sound engineer's name is Phil
Speaker 1: Disapio And did that sound familiar to you at all?
Speaker 1: Because Kim Rollin's lawyer is named Lorenzo D'sapio.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, And.
Speaker 1: I looked it up and it's the same last name,
Speaker 1: just there's an extra he and Lorenzo D'sapio, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are you using the name D'sapio? Twice in the
Speaker 1: same season, like is there something, is there some dysapio,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta get that name in Like it's just
Speaker 1: because they say the guy's name a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: like Rollins keeps, I mean live keeps being like phill
Speaker 1: Dasapio and it's like I because I always remember it
Speaker 1: because Kim was always like, well, mister D'sapio says I
Speaker 1: could do this, you know, like she's always she starts
Speaker 1: fucking dating him, you know, she's like a little Casey Anthony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, I did not catch that. That's really funny.
Speaker 2: It's just a wild last name, like it's not like
Speaker 2: it's Smith.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was like an inside joke in
Speaker 2: the writer's room, like a shout out to some baby
Speaker 2: being born or something like I wonder or some twins
Speaker 2: because that I didn't realize.
Speaker 3: Same season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyways, the sound engineer wanted to see Ariel.
Speaker 2: He has flowers, nobody likes him, no one likes his energy.
Speaker 2: Rollins goes family only and so the hands off the flowers.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna fight this, and he leaves Amorrow's with
Speaker 2: the dad who's like, she does not dress like this
Speaker 2: in Canada, you know, like she got these clothes here
Speaker 2: and the husband saying I'm down with all this. And
Speaker 2: finally Amorro's like, well, we saw the emails and we
Speaker 2: knew you were upset. So and he goes, I know,
Speaker 2: I just didn't want to sound like a jealous old man.
Speaker 2: And Amorro's like, no, I get it. I'm a jealous
Speaker 2: guy too, and he goes, and I'm an old man,
Speaker 2: so it all makes sense. But yeah, when you marry
Speaker 2: someone older, that is what they don't tell you. That's
Speaker 2: what they don't tell you. You will have to take
Speaker 2: care of an old person. And you're not old. You
Speaker 2: want to keep going out and they don't have energy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and.
Speaker 1: She's thirty two, like she has like a one of
Speaker 1: those kids is like ten, I think, so like she
Speaker 1: started early, Like this guy got her young way.
Speaker 3: He's like famous, but a celebrity in Edmonton. You know,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Blinded by the glitz and glamour of Western Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I saw a TikTok that some people it's
Speaker 2: like called a hospice wife. Like once dudes hit fifty something,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, I need to go find someone to take.
Speaker 3: Care of me. Oh yeah, dangerous. Don't do it. Don't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: That's like the last episode of White Loveists where she's like,
Speaker 1: I can get you a different man. Why are you
Speaker 1: with him? I know, I mean perker Posy is so
Speaker 1: good and funny. I like right now people that questioned
Speaker 1: her accent, like people in North Carolina are giving postits
Speaker 1: of the sayings to people they know, and they sound
Speaker 1: exactly like they gnaw me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they do sound wild down there.
Speaker 2: I also liked her like we need Jesus to help
Speaker 2: her from Buddhism, and it's like, in the name of
Speaker 2: Jesus has done worse things for our planet and humanity
Speaker 2: than I don't. I haven't heard of one Buddhist bad time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I really are Buddhists out there starting wars.
Speaker 1: Note for more Land, they're not. They're not because it's
Speaker 1: no violence. It's not don't commit violence in the name
Speaker 1: of Buddha. You're not supposed to commit violence in the
Speaker 1: name of Jesus either, but no one listens to that.
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, we're back. She married an old man.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, she should have friends her own
Speaker 2: age and he's like, Okay, do you know any of them?
Speaker 2: And he starts going through photos and he does recognize
Speaker 2: one of the musicians in the photos. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he came to Edmonton last year. She went to the concert.
Speaker 2: We go to Santiago morales Is Loft. It's very artsy.
Speaker 2: We're in Queen's Rollin's and Finn are on the case.
Speaker 2: Knock knock, shirtless guy opens the door. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: to let them in, and Finn is just like, we
Speaker 2: don't care that it smells like weed.
Speaker 3: Let us in. So they're in red walls.
Speaker 2: There's drums and he's like, yeah, she interviewed me for
Speaker 2: something and then came to one of my shows.
Speaker 3: That's it. And there's another knock on the door.
Speaker 2: Finn opens it and it's the woman from the concert
Speaker 2: that from the start of the episode. Then Rollins removes
Speaker 2: the wig and it's actually mister Landry from PS. Twenty seven,
Speaker 2: so wow. And then Finn goes small world.
Speaker 1: This is like a wild reveal because like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw the woman in the beginning, like dancing, I saw
Speaker 1: them walk in and go are you ready to go?
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't clock that it was the
Speaker 1: guy from PS twenty seven. I mean, I didn't meet
Speaker 1: him in real life, Rollins did, but she like just
Speaker 1: grabs that that wig snatch is wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a really good twist. And he's like,
Speaker 2: it's not what you think and Finn's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: got that.
Speaker 3: I couldn't have thought this up.
Speaker 2: So there's a stare off, there's tense music, and we're
Speaker 2: at corkboard time. So Santiago has Ariel's iPad in the
Speaker 2: loft with the photos from that night and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: she loaned it to me, which no one believes, and
Speaker 2: that makes absolutely no sense. And Craigan's trying to push
Speaker 2: this crime on the father and Omar was like, Craigan,
Speaker 2: you need to sit down and take a break because
Speaker 2: he was in Canada the whole time and he's holding.
Speaker 3: On by a thread. Okay, So who is this Charles
Speaker 3: Landry guy? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: They say he's married straight, but like s the party
Speaker 2: in women's clothes and the DNA is a match to
Speaker 2: the saliva found on the neck, which we know because
Speaker 2: we saw them, you know, him kissing the neck earlier
Speaker 2: in the show. We saw them getting close okay. So
Speaker 2: Finn and Tomorrow are with the musician guy and he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I went to get the iPad because once I saw
Speaker 2: the story on the news, I couldn't let these photos
Speaker 2: get out for Charlie's sake. They are cousins. He has
Speaker 2: a wife and a daughter and okay, so cousins that
Speaker 2: do what. And he's like, listen, we've been doing this
Speaker 2: since we were kids. And they're like okay. So he
Speaker 2: had a concert that night in Astoria and then they
Speaker 2: they show the crime photos. He's like, I had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that. She left before we did, and
Speaker 2: Omar I was like, well, she was having so much fun,
Speaker 2: why did she leave? And he's like, yeah, she panicks.
Speaker 2: You know, she found out about Charlie. But we didn't
Speaker 2: see her find out about Charlie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like she was just like Okay, I think,
Speaker 1: like hooking up with two people on her dance floors
Speaker 1: maybe too much for me.
Speaker 3: And I'm like a mom of two and I'm married,
Speaker 3: and she just.
Speaker 2: Like left, you know, yeah, we need proof she left
Speaker 2: without you. And he's like, oh, well, we got another girl.
Speaker 2: And so they found another girl quick. Her name's Gabriella.
Speaker 2: Then they say that they went back to her place,
Speaker 2: and he's like, if my school or wife find out
Speaker 2: about the Yeah, they're doing like the back and forth
Speaker 2: between musician guy and you know Charlie.
Speaker 1: So they're going back to two cousins just meet women
Speaker 1: and hook up with them together.
Speaker 3: Interesting while one of them's in women's closed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is weird, and I like the they're
Speaker 2: really like brushing over the cousins of it all, like yeah,
Speaker 2: as it being more normal than it is. But Charlie's like,
Speaker 2: if my school or wife find out my life is
Speaker 2: over and rollins and Benson like, okay, well, then be
Speaker 2: honest with us. He's like, okay, well we all met
Speaker 2: at the FOD lounge and he also has the same
Speaker 2: iPad story of like we needed those photos.
Speaker 3: He is shocked about the brain bashing.
Speaker 2: He swear, he swears he didn't do this, and he's like,
Speaker 2: maybe we pushed her too much and out of her
Speaker 2: comfort zone and I apologize and that sets Benson off
Speaker 2: and she goes apologize for what and he's like, when
Speaker 2: she realized I wasn't who I said I was, and
Speaker 2: you know, she felt betrayed, and they let her go,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I can't run in heels, because
Speaker 2: they're like, why would you let her just run off
Speaker 2: like that and distress and he's he can't, you know,
Speaker 2: he's not that good in heels. So another team and
Speaker 2: these guys are telling the truth. They have footage of
Speaker 2: her leaving alone that night, right after midnight in Astoria.
Speaker 2: So we need science to help figure out like how
Speaker 2: she was washed ashore, and Finn has a science friend
Speaker 2: just standing there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, very lucky, his rope guy. He's referenced
Speaker 1: this man before. Oh, his rope guy, which is so funny.
Speaker 1: And CSU calls him the renaissance man. So he has
Speaker 1: a lot of different little skills and trades. And he
Speaker 1: starts talking tides and I stop listening, you know, water paths.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2: But we get to where she was probably dropped off
Speaker 2: into the boat, and they searched surveillance video around there,
Speaker 2: and there's a car following behind her and oh, I
Speaker 2: think we know that truck. We just saw that fucking
Speaker 2: truck and a drum roll, it's the sound engineer. So
Speaker 2: they're like, you fucking lie to us, and you better
Speaker 2: start talking. We're in cement room bars duh with Finn
Speaker 2: and Rollins and he's like, I thought it would look
Speaker 2: bad and it's like, yeah, picking her up at night
Speaker 2: the night she was assaulted, for sure looks bad. If
Speaker 2: it was just a ride, why wouldn't you just tell
Speaker 2: us the truth? He blames his jealous girlfriend and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: why did you go to the hospital.
Speaker 3: He's like, I wanted to see if she.
Speaker 2: Was okay, and they're like what to finish the job
Speaker 2: and he's like, I did not hurt her. So they
Speaker 2: bring up that they have DNA evidence from scratch marks,
Speaker 2: and you could see he gets squirmy, and so then
Speaker 2: they pull up his sleeves and there's scratch marks there
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, so she fucking scratched you. He goes,
Speaker 2: it's a misunderstanding. I was helping her. I mean, this
Speaker 2: motherfucker's guilty. And he says, well, I just took her
Speaker 2: out to a diner t e. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: the location right by the rowboats, bro, And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I promise we just ate and he's like then, why
Speaker 2: did she scratch you? And he sighs. He says, all
Speaker 2: I did was try to kiss her. Then she wanted,
Speaker 2: I mean, why is your girlfriend jealous?
Speaker 1: I wonder why you're a jealous girlfriend, because you're randomly
Speaker 1: kissing girls.
Speaker 2: Then she wanted to go to the river, and he
Speaker 2: tried to stop her, and she pushed him away and
Speaker 2: scratched him and then went into the park.
Speaker 3: He goes, listen, there's going to be no saliva.
Speaker 1: She said, no, I just didn't want to go into
Speaker 1: the park at night, and she ran off without me.
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything bad. And now he's invoking his rights.
Speaker 2: He wants a lawyer, and that obviously makes you look
Speaker 2: even worse. So they leave the room. But it is
Speaker 2: something we should all be doing. So they have a
Speaker 2: full team meeting and they're trying to figure out if
Speaker 2: he did it or not. And you know, him lying
Speaker 2: is a big red flag, but we need some more
Speaker 2: evidence or witnesses. So they asked the husband about this man,
Speaker 2: and all he knows from the wife is that he's
Speaker 2: a good engineer. And they're still trying to piece it
Speaker 2: all together. The boys are sleeping on the chairs and
Speaker 2: like you know, while they chat in the hallway, and
Speaker 2: he really can't handle much more. This husband's had a
Speaker 2: tough day and he just wants to meet with his sons.
Speaker 2: So we're in the hospital bed. They're just like, why
Speaker 2: won't she wake up?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 2: And then he goes the tabloids have been so mean
Speaker 2: and crazy about her. It's a mess. And now we
Speaker 2: have security footage from the diner and they sat there
Speaker 2: for over an hour meal, talking whatever, and then as
Speaker 2: they exit the diner, there's fuck a long haired man
Speaker 2: standing by the diner who looks like he is homeless,
Speaker 2: and maybe it's him, but she hands him food, and
Speaker 2: then we also see the truck, but we don't have
Speaker 2: footage that we're getting back into the truck or him
Speaker 2: at the rowboat.
Speaker 3: So what are we going to do next?
Speaker 2: So suddenly we go talk to this sex worker with
Speaker 2: one fake leg and she's from the Steve episode of
Speaker 2: Sex and the City if you remember her. She has
Speaker 2: red hair and a limp, and they're asking her for
Speaker 2: help and they're like, do you know this guy? And
Speaker 2: she does and they're canvassing the park and there's a
Speaker 2: different man who lives in the park and he has
Speaker 2: this one of her scarves and.
Speaker 3: They're like, how you have this?
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, this he helds for a different
Speaker 2: park resident, and he's like, this guy gave it to me.
Speaker 2: And then the homeless man from the diner turns around,
Speaker 2: sees you know, the cops are there, throws a garbage
Speaker 2: bag at them and starts running. They don't have a
Speaker 2: hard time catching him. He's not moving fast and they're like,
Speaker 2: where did you get this scarf? He goes, I didn't
Speaker 2: do nothing. He has hippie beads. He's a big guy, beard,
Speaker 2: long hair. He lives in the park because he has
Speaker 2: nowhere else to go, and now he's in custody and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, yeah, because he's a level three sex offender.
Speaker 2: So Phil's story checks out. The homeless man matches the
Speaker 2: dental records and the DNA match. There's evidence all over
Speaker 2: his clothing. He also had her phone, purse and an
Speaker 2: ore with her blood in his tent. So now they
Speaker 2: have to tell the family that it was just I
Speaker 2: don't know if I mean, but the husband is really upset,
Speaker 2: but even more upset all these crazy party headlines when
Speaker 2: it was just her being kind to the wrong stranger.
Speaker 2: And he said she always told the boys they were
Speaker 2: blessed and we should always take care of those who
Speaker 2: don't have what we do. The boys run and screaming, Dad, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 2: and they all run into the hospital room and I
Speaker 2: was like, so hopeful she was going to wake up,
Speaker 2: but sadly she is dead. I know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like she was gonna blink awake,
Speaker 1: and that's not the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the husband thinks that she held on until
Speaker 2: they caught the right man, and they're having a really
Speaker 2: hard time as a family. But on her phone they
Speaker 2: find video messages to her family.
Speaker 3: So it's her walking by the water. It's a late
Speaker 3: night and it's just a video chat.
Speaker 2: She goes, I know it's late, I'll at two in
Speaker 2: the morning, but everything's fresh in my brain. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to thank you for trusting me to take this
Speaker 2: trip on my own. She's like, you're such a good
Speaker 2: man and good father and I was always love you,
Speaker 2: and he smiles. He has tears in his eyes. So
Speaker 2: there's a section for the boys, so Wayne and Grant
Speaker 2: come in and she says, boys, I'm coming home tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: I've had a great time, but I can't wait to
Speaker 2: see you. And I realize being your mom is the
Speaker 2: greatest adventure I want to have and I miss you
Speaker 2: so much and I love you and I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see you again. And listen to your dad good night,
Speaker 2: sleep tight, and I'll see you in my dreams. And
Speaker 2: the family sits at the video and Tomorrow and Benson
Speaker 2: are crying behind them, and then that's stick.
Speaker 3: Well baby, I got tears. I teared up at this
Speaker 3: end message.
Speaker 5: It was so sad, so sad, such a sad up
Speaker 5: And guess what the sadness is going to keep on
Speaker 5: coming because this is very much based on a real
Speaker 5: thing that happened.
Speaker 3: Our podcast Sadness guaranteed.
Speaker 1: This episode is based pretty closely on this case that
Speaker 1: happened in twenty thirteen, like five months before this episode
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 3: Some news reports are calling her Sarai.
Speaker 1: But if I think in if it's she has a
Speaker 1: Latin background, then it's Sarai.
Speaker 3: So I think she's Sarai.
Speaker 1: Sierra, who was a thirty three year old mother of
Speaker 1: two sons from Staten Island who was visiting Turkey. She
Speaker 1: was in other parts of Europe as well, but she
Speaker 1: was in Turkey and January of twenty thirteen by herself.
Speaker 1: This was her first trip ever abroad, and she was
Speaker 1: doing it to practice photography, which had become a hobby
Speaker 1: of her. She'd also gone back to school and was
Speaker 1: like in between, she scheduled this in between semesters. So
Speaker 1: this is like a girl that's like, you know, out
Speaker 1: there trying to live her dreams. Since it was her
Speaker 1: first time out of the US. She kept in touch
Speaker 1: with her family back home through text, video chat, always
Speaker 1: updating them about her plans. And then she was walking
Speaker 1: near the old city walls in Istanbul on January twenty
Speaker 1: first when she vanished, Like the last security footage they
Speaker 1: had of her was her like at a food court
Speaker 1: at a mall. And then she was supposed to return
Speaker 1: home to the US the next day, and she had
Speaker 1: sent her family texts and photos beforehand, and had sent
Speaker 1: her you know, I think her sister a text being
Speaker 1: like coming home tomorrow, smiley face, like she was excited
Speaker 1: to come home with her family. Missing persons cases in Turkey,
Speaker 1: I guess are pretty rare, So her case was given
Speaker 1: a lot of attention and was gaining a lot of
Speaker 1: media attention as well, especially because she's like an American
Speaker 1: tourist by herself, and of course much like in this episode,
Speaker 1: the trash media, like the New York Post was posting
Speaker 1: stuff about her having sex with a lover in a
Speaker 1: bathroom before her disappearance. But they're like the only source
Speaker 1: that has that, and they're definitely trying to sell newspapers,
Speaker 1: like Olivia says in the episode, and they're there's just
Speaker 1: like no one else was reporting that, Like no one
Speaker 1: else was like, oh, and there's rumors that like she was,
Speaker 1: you know, having like was there to meet a paramour
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Only the gorgeous reporting of the
Speaker 1: New York Post has that Turkish and American authorities worked together.
Speaker 1: There were hundreds of investigators examining all the surveillance footage
Speaker 1: trying to build up a timeline of her movements, but
Speaker 1: they still didn't really have any good leads. All her belongings,
Speaker 1: including like all her clothes, her passport, medical cards, were
Speaker 1: found in her room in the hostel she was staying at,
Speaker 1: and then police were even questioning a several people, including
Speaker 1: there was a local man much like Phil DeSapio, who
Speaker 1: said that he was supposed to meet up with Sierra
Speaker 1: that day, but she never showed up to the meeting
Speaker 1: they had scheduled so that might have been like where
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, her lover, she was meeting a lover,
Speaker 1: but it was just like this guy she was supposed
Speaker 1: to meet up with. I think through photography it doesn't
Speaker 1: really say why, but he was completely cleared like he
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with anything. And then unfortunately they
Speaker 1: did find her body, but not for two weeks February second.
Speaker 1: This is after her husband and her brother have now
Speaker 1: flown to Turkey to try to move the investigation alone.
Speaker 1: Her body is found near some ancient ruins on a highway.
Speaker 1: She's found in the same exact clothes she was seen
Speaker 1: wearing in that food court surveillance footage the day she disappeared,
Speaker 1: and she'd been killed by a fatal blow to the head,
Speaker 1: much like in the episode. By March of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: the Turkish authorities had identified a suspect and charged him
Speaker 1: with Sierra's murder. His name was Zaya Tasali, aged forty six,
Speaker 1: a local homeless man with a prior record for burglary
Speaker 1: and weapons charges. He tried to flee to Syria when
Speaker 1: the case started to get a ton of media attention
Speaker 1: and international attention, but he was apprehended on the Turkish border.
Speaker 1: He eventually told authorities that what happened was he tried
Speaker 1: to kiss Sierra. And this is kind of where the
Speaker 1: episode is blending the story of what happened with Phil
Speaker 1: DeSapio and the homeless guy, because this is they both
Speaker 1: happened with this man in the real life story. He
Speaker 1: tried to kiss her, she resisted, and then he says,
Speaker 1: quote a struggle broke out between the two of us.
Speaker 1: In a statement, He also said Sierra hit him on
Speaker 1: his nose with her phone, which bloodied his nose. Then
Speaker 1: he knocked her down. She fought back, hit him in
Speaker 1: the head with a rock, and then he said, quote
Speaker 1: I got very angry and hit her back twice with
Speaker 1: a stone. I grabbed off the floor end quote. And
Speaker 1: then at that point she stopped moving. So the next day,
Speaker 1: this man tasally returned to the crime scene. He actually
Speaker 1: covered her body with blankets. He also threw her phone
Speaker 1: and her iPad into the ocean, so there's like an
Speaker 1: ip I mean, they took so many details from this case.
Speaker 3: There's even like iPad phone stuff.
Speaker 1: And he said he did not realize that she was
Speaker 1: even a foreigner until he saw all the media attention,
Speaker 1: you know, to this missing American tourist. When her body
Speaker 1: was discovered, he was only a few yards away, so
Speaker 1: he was it happened like kind of near probably where
Speaker 1: he was living or staying, but he was right there
Speaker 1: basically when they found her body, and he told prosecutors
Speaker 1: that he regretted his crime. And much like in the
Speaker 1: episode where they said that the guy had glue and
Speaker 1: bath salts in his tent, to Sally told Turkish News
Speaker 1: that he had been sniffing household chemicals to get high
Speaker 1: on the day of the killing, and he doesn't remember it, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Really remember doing it.
Speaker 1: So a year later after her going missing, in January
Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, to Sally was sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 1: He also received five and a half years for sexual
Speaker 1: assault and two and a half years per theft to
Speaker 1: run consecutively to the life sentence, which is, according to Reuters,
Speaker 1: so a very sad story that they very much borrowed from.
Speaker 1: I mean, she had two young sons, just like this
Speaker 1: woman in that, just like Ariel, and was just kind
Speaker 1: of trying to go on an adventure by herself.
Speaker 3: So sad, so sad, But we have.
Speaker 1: A delightful interview to cleanse the palette of sadness, So
Speaker 1: do not go anywhere. Our guest today is a Broadway
Speaker 1: Royalty baby.
Speaker 3: We started this.
Speaker 1: Episode talking about Broadway and we're gonna finish it talking
Speaker 1: about Broadway. She originated the Broadway roles of both Barbara
Speaker 1: Maitland and Beetlejuice and Penny Pingleton in Hairspray. She can
Speaker 1: also be seen on TV shows like American Sports Story,
Speaker 1: Aaron Hernandez and The Gilmore Girls Revival and you know
Speaker 1: her best as the Tragic Canadian Podcast. Are just looking
Speaker 1: to have some fun in New York City, Ariel Randolph.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our chat with the wonderful Carrie Butler. So
Speaker 1: you were saying that they like you don't think the
Speaker 1: makeup is great on the show.
Speaker 4: Not that it's not great, it's just that, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm used to doing TV shows where like you look,
Speaker 4: even though you're a real person, you look like semi glamorous,
Speaker 4: and I'm always like, oh, I I gotta do my.
Speaker 3: Social media today. I'm looking great. But on.
Speaker 4: Law and Order they specifically said, you know, like, no,
Speaker 4: we can't wipe the mascara from your eyes. You know,
Speaker 4: They're like no, we want, we really want, like hardly
Speaker 4: any make up your hair. I didn't have like a blowout,
Speaker 4: you know. It was very kind of like just down
Speaker 4: and back and.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even like more natural than most TV shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you've done other crime style shows. You are
Speaker 2: you saying that Law and Order you is they want
Speaker 2: you looking the worst.
Speaker 3: Like a blood exactly. I think sometimes those shows they
Speaker 3: still want you to.
Speaker 4: Look like TV star kind of you know, and Law
Speaker 4: and Order they specifically like, no, no, no, no, no, we
Speaker 4: can't make you look glamorous. Yeah, I'm like, can't you
Speaker 4: just get the circles under my eyes?
Speaker 1: I mean, you look caught at the beginning of this episode,
Speaker 1: when you're at the concert, you're having fun, you look good.
Speaker 3: And then I was I've been on two Law and Orders.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure which one you were talking about.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about both, Yeah, okay, but we're
Speaker 1: going to start with talking about.
Speaker 4: Uh, that one, that one I was more that one.
Speaker 4: I was more glamorous than the second one.
Speaker 1: I was a big But then at the end when
Speaker 1: you when you have this video message to your children,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking when I was watching it, I was like,
Speaker 1: can they just wipe the eyeliner, like what, she looks
Speaker 1: like she's been crying.
Speaker 3: But you know, I.
Speaker 2: Thought I got it because it's like you were on Mollie,
Speaker 2: you had this like incredible experience realizing that you loved
Speaker 2: your family.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a really sad episode. It's so sad.
Speaker 3: It's really sad. I know, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: When I watched your next one and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's awesome, worse, it's the worst of all time, I
Speaker 1: would say, and I for some reason last season I
Speaker 1: never had seen this episode and it was so it
Speaker 1: was like probably the worst, one of the worst I
Speaker 1: think in the twenty five year history now twenty six year,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 4: Worst in terms of being the saddest in terms of
Speaker 4: it's me for life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, great.
Speaker 1: The acting was great, everything was really great, but the
Speaker 1: directing amazing.
Speaker 2: My stomach was dropped. I was tense the whole time
Speaker 2: and just like it really it was really upset.
Speaker 3: It really upset me too.
Speaker 4: I have two daughters, and I was like, I just
Speaker 4: I can't even go there, you know what, I as
Speaker 4: an actor, my god, yeah, and I'm like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go from my personal experience. I'm gonna, like,
Speaker 4: you know, just pretend I'm somebody else and in the situation.
Speaker 1: And I was fully tearing up in the in the
Speaker 1: video message to the Suns when they're watching it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I should make a message
Speaker 1: for my kids in case I die. Like it was like, so,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh yeah, great performances, very emotional. So
Speaker 1: where did you go because you were very I mean
Speaker 1: you were shaken up and it was just like a
Speaker 1: great performance.
Speaker 4: So what did you use since you know no real
Speaker 4: life do you mean for you mean for the with
Speaker 4: the boys or with the second I know.
Speaker 2: We're going back and forth. I would say the second
Speaker 2: episode is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: The second episode was the worst because the second episode.
Speaker 2: Was Rishka meets you at that bar. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: like you were so fucked up, uh over it?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I kind of rather than thinking about it happening to
Speaker 4: my own daughters, I kind of was thinking we were
Speaker 4: at the same time, and not to get political, but
Speaker 4: it was the things happening to the hostages, and I
Speaker 4: could just drop into that, like just imagine, you know,
Speaker 4: you're seeing all of these stories about people losing their
Speaker 4: families and so it's hitting you on a personal level
Speaker 4: just that it's happening, and so I kind of could
Speaker 4: draw from that more so than imagining it happening to
Speaker 4: me in real life, right yeah, just like the missing
Speaker 4: of a child you know is not well. But yeah,
Speaker 4: and like we're all thinking, like we're all worried about it.
Speaker 4: We're all like, you know, it's just the worst to
Speaker 4: think about that, and then like not sleeping at night,
Speaker 4: and then you know, once as an actor you're in it,
Speaker 4: like I wasn't sleeping a night.
Speaker 3: Then, because it's like you can't leave it. I don't
Speaker 3: know how Marishka does it, you know, And.
Speaker 4: She's so happy on set and she's amazing to be around.
Speaker 4: But to do that all the time, that's what I
Speaker 4: left thinking. I'm like, wow, I admire her so much
Speaker 4: that she's commonly.
Speaker 1: Just like a compartmentalization queen, right like just can totally maybe.
Speaker 4: Like as soon as we as soon as the scenes
Speaker 4: were over, she was able to, you know, make jokes,
Speaker 4: make us have fun on the set, because otherwise how are.
Speaker 3: You going to get through it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, those long days and joking with the crew, Yeah damn.
Speaker 1: But she also your character in Again the more recent one,
Speaker 1: yea detached when she was like, oh, she said she's
Speaker 1: at her friend's house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that was That's normal. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: normal because you just you don't want to go there.
Speaker 4: Everything's okay, everything okay. Yeah, course you always you obviously
Speaker 4: think like, oh my god, what happened to her friend? Right,
Speaker 4: you know, you don't think that something could have happened
Speaker 4: to your loved one.
Speaker 1: But I'm just like children in the park after dark,
Speaker 1: get out of there?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: But also just the what also grabbed me about that
Speaker 2: episode is like what would you do if your friend
Speaker 2: Because in my head I was like I think I'd
Speaker 2: run and try to call the police. But then it's
Speaker 2: like are you ditching your friend? So do you go
Speaker 2: and try to fight these people? And so that really
Speaker 2: made me feel a lot too of like be it
Speaker 2: like how much decisions this like scared girl had to
Speaker 2: make in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of the night. Well, but she was there, she was
Speaker 3: held with them, right, so she couldn't go.
Speaker 2: First she was frozen, like they grabbed one of the
Speaker 2: girls and then the other one stood frozen and then
Speaker 2: ran to help her friend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she had that really good monologue right
Speaker 4: about how she wished that she could do more. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think when you're that young too, you know you
Speaker 4: it's you're so like frozen and frightened. It was very
Speaker 4: believable to me that she wouldn't know what to do
Speaker 4: in that situation. And in hindsight, it's so easy I
Speaker 4: think for us to be like.
Speaker 3: Just call on one one, you know. And I think
Speaker 3: my character did say that too. I'm like, why didn't
Speaker 3: you just call on you know? Yeah, like and just
Speaker 3: getting angry at the victim in a way.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I do remember that part, and I remember
Speaker 4: Mrishka like putting her hand on my That was when
Speaker 4: I think those scenes were when my maternal instincts come out.
Speaker 3: How you can actually be.
Speaker 4: Mad at your daughter for like, you know, you have
Speaker 4: all of this inside, like you're so relieved they're okay,
Speaker 4: but you've just been through this trauma and so it
Speaker 4: has to come out somewhere, so you're like, why didn't
Speaker 4: you you know? Yeah, and Rishia had that really good
Speaker 4: moment where she's like, Okay, calm down, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we say on this podcast, there was a
Speaker 2: prosecutor in one of the cases and she said, we
Speaker 2: expect people to act normal and abnormal situations, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we keep that in our minds all the time of
Speaker 2: like why would yeah, why are you expecting someone act
Speaker 2: normal in this like psychotic situation that you should?
Speaker 1: And people we recently talked about how like the four responses.
Speaker 1: We always talk about fight or flight, but there's also
Speaker 1: freeze and fawn. Yeah, and those are like I think
Speaker 1: happen more often than we think too, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so this just for the listeners. What is season twenty five,
Speaker 1: episode nine called Children of Wolves? Because you know, the
Speaker 1: ones that are more recent we haven't seen ten thousand
Speaker 1: times like we have the other ones, you know, so
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure everyone in the audience
Speaker 1: knows what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like first it was, yeah, I think a
Speaker 2: lot of these we've seen a lot, so we're not
Speaker 2: as shocked. But I think I was like really shocked
Speaker 2: last night watching it too.
Speaker 1: On top of it, and like they are on season
Speaker 1: twenty six, and I get that we can't just have
Speaker 1: like a totally fresh plot every time, so but this
Speaker 1: one is like Children of Wolves is like a combo
Speaker 1: of ones we've seen before with wildings or whatever, like
Speaker 1: you know, like guys that attack like as a group.
Speaker 1: But then also some of these like hostagey ones we've done.
Speaker 1: It's like a combo of two of the worst kinds
Speaker 1: that like give me so much stress. So they really
Speaker 1: are still reinventing the genre all the time, just combining
Speaker 1: horror horrors.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, I was also shocked when they had a hiss,
Speaker 2: they had a record when later in the episode they're like,
Speaker 2: these guys have been doing this for a while. Accept
Speaker 2: you because a part of me is like, oh, these
Speaker 2: tea like uh, I don't know, like a crazy like
Speaker 2: a fucked up teen night.
Speaker 3: But it's like they were cereal rapists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I thought about, you know, the young
Speaker 4: girls playing those parts, Like I don't know if you've
Speaker 4: had them on, but that's got to be like really
Speaker 4: mentally challenging because those scenes were so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I thought it was so interesting too
Speaker 1: how they made you her step mom, but you guys
Speaker 1: had this special relationship because you could have just been
Speaker 1: playing her mom, you know, like but her step mom
Speaker 1: and the dad is gone and you only.
Speaker 3: Have each other.
Speaker 1: Like it was it was like an interesting like twist
Speaker 1: of a relationship. Yeah, but we could go back to
Speaker 1: brief inter brief inure lude.
Speaker 3: Brief inture lude.
Speaker 1: That's your first time on SVU, right, is that your
Speaker 1: first time on a Law in Order?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, so that's your first Law and Order?
Speaker 1: And I believe is this Warren light Time season fourteen,
Speaker 1: because like, yes, yes, okay, because he's a big theater guy.
Speaker 1: You're a Broadway baby, so like, yeah, did they have
Speaker 1: you audition or did were they just like I did audition?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: And it's funny like after I did that episode, I
Speaker 4: don't I don't think I had. I had I didn't
Speaker 4: really have a scene Maia with Marishka. But after that,
Speaker 4: like years years later, I became really good friends with Marishka. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll hear that, yeah, because our daughters were best friends
Speaker 4: in school. But so at that point, yeah, so at
Speaker 4: that point I didn't really know her. I didn't know
Speaker 4: her at all. And but I and I had to
Speaker 4: audition just like everybody else. Yeah, and it was a
Speaker 4: pretty easy audition, just go in, you know, in the
Speaker 4: room for all those people.
Speaker 3: And then were they like get in a rowboat, be dead. No, No, it.
Speaker 4: Was just do the serious scenes and but it was
Speaker 4: you know, it's really a rite of passage for actors
Speaker 4: in New York. It took me a long time to
Speaker 4: get on. I was like, I finally made it. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be in the playbill now. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you start, like this episode starts, you're at this
Speaker 1: like concert which like is like a Google bordello kind
Speaker 1: of group or whatever. They're like, you know, and is
Speaker 1: when you're shooting something like this. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've ever asked a guest this before. Is the band
Speaker 1: playing a set? Like are they actually playing and you
Speaker 1: guys are like doing the dancing and everything, or like.
Speaker 4: A dancing A lot of times we're not dancing to anything. Okay,
Speaker 4: they don't have I don't think they have the music
Speaker 4: rights yet, so sometimes sometimes we might be dancing something
Speaker 4: completely different if you see them, like their beat is
Speaker 4: so either either dancing in silence or dancing to music
Speaker 4: that doesn't is different than what ends up in the
Speaker 4: actual show.
Speaker 3: Music was good, Yeah, it was fun. It was good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that was really fun to do. I feel
Speaker 4: like that whole section like lots of extras and just
Speaker 4: having fun at the you know club. Yeah, at that show.
Speaker 4: I feel like all of those scenes were at night almost. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so all my calls were late and they were all
Speaker 4: really late nights.
Speaker 3: Was that exciting? It was exciting?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And we went I think one was the one,
Speaker 4: the last scene, you know, where I'm on the camera
Speaker 4: that was over by the Brooklyn Bridge and it was
Speaker 4: really late at night and I was holding the camera
Speaker 4: and then they had other people like filming around me too.
Speaker 4: But that was actually like, you know, me filming, which
Speaker 4: isn't like another kind of thing I've never done on.
Speaker 3: TV, you know.
Speaker 4: And that was even cell phones were big bad things.
Speaker 4: It was over ten years ago, right, Like I.
Speaker 1: Was twenty thirteen when I came out, So cell phones
Speaker 1: were but everybody wasn't filming themselves all the time at
Speaker 1: that point, and so I certainly wasn't as used to
Speaker 1: it as I am now. Yeah, it's interesting because I
Speaker 1: I remember I was thinking that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting she made like a little video message
Speaker 1: for her kids or that even Marishka g chats with
Speaker 1: the kids or not g chats, I'm sorry, facetimes with
Speaker 1: the kids, because I thought of it as more of
Speaker 1: a G chat time you know.
Speaker 4: During so during that during that time of filming, you know,
Speaker 4: I was emotionally available, but I was had to be
Speaker 4: so specific about how I held the camera. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: so it was a whole other thing that I had
Speaker 4: to think about because.
Speaker 3: You're shooting yourself and acting, I mean that's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and moving and we were like moving in there,
Speaker 4: this whole crew around me moving and it was the
Speaker 4: lash other day, and so everybody really wanted to go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a little literal question I wrote on
Speaker 1: my thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, did you shoot that?
Speaker 1: Because I sometimes I think I wonder if they shoot
Speaker 1: it and then like degrade it to look like an ELM.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was you the director, And that's like
Speaker 1: the heartbreaking part of it too.
Speaker 2: You were in such a good place after such a
Speaker 2: great night and then this random.
Speaker 3: Fucking at random act of violence. So how was it
Speaker 3: in the hot And.
Speaker 4: I never got I never got any scenes with Richard Thomas,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, your husband, Yes, And even when they like,
Speaker 4: you never got even like when they came into the
Speaker 4: hospital and you were like lying there, Oh, maybe maybe
Speaker 4: I was dead. So I didn't actually get to talk
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 1: You didn't get to you didn't get to act to them,
Speaker 1: but now I was warning over your body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was staying in character and just like going to sleep,
Speaker 4: do I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in another CLASSICSVU as well, so we yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I have I want to know about that
Speaker 1: rowboat scene, Like did they just throw you in a
Speaker 1: rowboat and push you up against the Like were they like, okay,
Speaker 1: we need you to like look a little bit more dead?
Speaker 1: I mean, how how did you like tell us about
Speaker 1: that scene?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was so cool. That was right in Central Park. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'm like I made it. I died in Central
Speaker 4: and they kind of gosh, I don't remember it, but
Speaker 4: I kind of remember them like showing me exactly how
Speaker 4: they wanted my body.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So they got in the boat first and you know,
Speaker 4: definitely arranged you how they wanted to look. And again
Speaker 4: there I had to worry about not breathing obviously since
Speaker 4: I was dead, So that was the only.
Speaker 1: Stress to work, yeah, or dying very light pulse, very
Speaker 1: light pulse at that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But it was fun too. I loved filing on location
Speaker 4: and it was fun to go into Central Park. You know,
Speaker 4: near the boat house, I know.
Speaker 1: Where they're like tourists being like, yes, I've thought people
Speaker 1: were having their life. Can you imagine it was going
Speaker 1: to Central Park to go to the boat house and
Speaker 1: they're shooting us view would lose and.
Speaker 3: They and there's a woman in a boat. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of think that that particular scene was
Speaker 4: really really early in the morning. Uh so there weren't
Speaker 4: that many people, but whenever we were filming, there would
Speaker 4: always be people stopping to look.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I had early in the morning because that's
Speaker 1: when the yoga mommy had to go get her adderall
Speaker 1: and that's when she found you with the guys.
Speaker 4: Right right, right, So I think it like the first
Speaker 4: the first scene of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, amazing.
Speaker 2: I actually have a question for the Sorry the Children
Speaker 2: of Wolve's episode.
Speaker 3: How was it like, my radiator is going off?
Speaker 2: If anyone is concerned at the moment, how is it
Speaker 2: like being directed by your friend Marushka?
Speaker 3: Uh amazing?
Speaker 1: Oh she directed that one. I didn't even notice that. Okay, cool, Yes,
Speaker 1: so she is.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying about, how she's able to bring
Speaker 4: lightness to this really dark material and you know, she
Speaker 4: knows everyone. I mean, she's been there forever, but she
Speaker 4: knows everyone's name. She everyone, you can tell they love her.
Speaker 4: And also I would ask around, you know, to the drivers.
Speaker 4: They all love her there. They I mean, they cannot
Speaker 4: say enough nice things about her. And they would just
Speaker 4: tell me story after story about her. You can tell
Speaker 4: that the cruelest her. And it was just we had
Speaker 4: so much fun together, you know. And then she actually
Speaker 4: wrote me into another scene because she liked what I
Speaker 4: was doing, and so I wasn't supposed to be in
Speaker 4: the hospital scene and she put me into the hospital
Speaker 4: scene with her and just getting to act with her
Speaker 4: and be directed by her because she's you're doing this
Speaker 4: scene with her and she's so real, you know, and
Speaker 4: your heart of you was like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: need to be like her, you know, like that actor brain.
Speaker 4: But you're like, turn off the actor brand, just be
Speaker 4: in the scene, be.
Speaker 3: In the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then she's out of the scene and she's watching
Speaker 4: it play back, and she's so supportive. But also when
Speaker 4: it's your friend, then it's extra pressure because you're like,
Speaker 4: oh god, I don't want to let my friend down.
Speaker 3: But she was so so supportive.
Speaker 4: And lovely on the set, lovely to everyone, and you know,
Speaker 4: a true leader because obviously on this high pressure kind
Speaker 4: of show, people's egos get in the way right on
Speaker 4: the crew, and like one person wants to do it
Speaker 4: one way, one person wants to do it the other way,
Speaker 4: and then the director's job is to, you know, figure
Speaker 4: that out. And it was getting a little tense at
Speaker 4: one point, and Marishka just went and pulled somebody aside,
Speaker 4: had a private conversation with them like, how can I
Speaker 4: how can I make this better for you?
Speaker 3: What do you need? Then goes together, but what do
Speaker 3: you need?
Speaker 4: So I feel like that is really leadership and directing,
Speaker 4: you know, just amazing people skills.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we've heard. We hear. We talked to
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and everybody loves her.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like perhaps the most beloved number one
Speaker 1: in the business of all.
Speaker 4: I think I think I think so, and I you know,
Speaker 4: I heard stories about her fighting for people, you know,
Speaker 4: frightening the network for people, and but I think when
Speaker 4: you talk to the crew and the crew loves her,
Speaker 4: and you know, they say, you know, she asked about
Speaker 4: my wife. You know, she knows about us. She knows
Speaker 4: our lives. That's the sign of a real, like really
Speaker 4: really good person.
Speaker 3: And she's a big Broadway fan.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yeah she I feel like she'd maybe
Speaker 4: had seen me and stuff before, but then when our
Speaker 4: daughters became friends, then she you know, she would come
Speaker 4: to all my shows with her family.
Speaker 3: And I love her husband Peter too.
Speaker 4: Nay, yeah, yes, the nicest guy and so so. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she loves And she tells me that she goes to
Speaker 4: see shows a lot, and she tells me that is
Speaker 4: her out, that is what fuels her soul. That's how
Speaker 4: she doesn't get depressed by all of this all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. But it's still like, you know,
Speaker 2: an acting thing. I like that her hobby is still
Speaker 2: really connected to her work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think she mostly I think she mostly chooses like
Speaker 4: comedies and feel good musical theater. Yeah, because that's the
Speaker 4: thing that she she needs more than well.
Speaker 3: I have the same vibe as her.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm usually going to uh huh, laughing and
Speaker 2: fun girls singing, I think.
Speaker 1: Is my qualifications of shows. We had Alex Brightman on
Speaker 1: the pod. Oh yeah, you were Barbara in Beetlejuice.
Speaker 4: Yes, I remember him telling me when he got that
Speaker 4: because we were doing Beetle Juice at the time, and
Speaker 4: he's like, so they just asked me to do this.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, you're gonna have the best time.
Speaker 1: So you've done like so yeah, like tell it. Like,
Speaker 1: we want to talk about your Broadway career besides Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've done Hairspray, Little Shop of Horrors, Xana,
Speaker 1: do Rock of Ages, mean girls, You've done like a
Speaker 1: million shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been really lucky.
Speaker 3: I am living my dream. Yeah. Are you a too Broadway?
Speaker 1: Are you doing anything like coming up or like finishing
Speaker 1: anything or like, what's what's going on?
Speaker 3: This is fun?
Speaker 4: You mentioned that I did Hairspray and I created a
Speaker 4: show with the other two women I did Hairspray with
Speaker 4: over twenty years ago, Laura Bell Bundy and Marissa Winoker,
Speaker 4: who also is a huge SVU fan, Like she is
Speaker 4: she is your audience, Like she watches every episode over
Speaker 4: and over again.
Speaker 3: When I got when I got lown Arner, she was
Speaker 3: so so excited. Wait Laura, which one Larissa?
Speaker 4: Oh, Okay, Marissa is obsessed and she's never been on
Speaker 4: so she has to I think because she's in la
Speaker 4: you know, and so I think that's why. But she
Speaker 4: is one of those people that watches them over and
Speaker 4: over again. So I created the show with them called Mama,
Speaker 4: I'm a Big Girl Now, and it's based on, you know,
Speaker 4: our friendship from when we did the show together and
Speaker 4: then becoming mom ourselves and kind of all of the
Speaker 4: shows we've done in between in our lives now. And
Speaker 4: it's been really really fun. We had an off Broadway
Speaker 4: run and now we're on tour. I don't know when
Speaker 4: this is coming out, but this weekend we're going to
Speaker 4: be in Palm Springs and we're going to Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're traveling all over and so it's so fun.
Speaker 4: Like just imagine traveling with your closest friends and getting
Speaker 4: to perform a show with them. It's in all of
Speaker 4: these like fancy places. It's so much fun, and the
Speaker 4: audience loves it, so saying yeah, so like Mariska, you know,
Speaker 4: loves theater. Like, we just wanted to do something that
Speaker 4: spreads joy.
Speaker 3: At this time, you.
Speaker 4: Know, we're like we're so needed, so down, we just
Speaker 4: need to spread joy.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Well, this comes out in two weeks like the fifteenth,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Okay dates, Okay, so then yes, yes,
Speaker 1: check out our website Mama and Big.
Speaker 4: Girl Now and we have a bunch of dates coming
Speaker 4: up around the country.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can check out that like a three fur
Speaker 1: you can see three Broadway stars and one.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what we say. People pay for one
Speaker 3: Broadway start, they get three, get three amazing friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really like it's really like girl power, motherhood,
Speaker 4: you know, all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you know my friend John Hill, he was in Hairspray.
Speaker 3: Oh you know John?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I love John Hill. Yeah, we were best best friends
Speaker 4: with John Hill. Doraing Hairspray and John a photo of
Speaker 4: the Zoom then yes, yes, Oh my gosh, we all
Speaker 4: adore Jeh Hill. Marissa still like works with him on
Speaker 4: his show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Like we worked
Speaker 1: together on something and he was always telling me about
Speaker 1: Marissa and like how he was in Hairspray and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it just it just like popped into me that
Speaker 1: he did Hairspray.
Speaker 3: I forgot. I just saw him.
Speaker 2: For the first time in face to face I did
Speaker 2: his radio show, and.
Speaker 3: He is like really beautiful to look at. I was
Speaker 3: really it's.
Speaker 4: Really the TV just voice that he doesn't use.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 3: He gorgeous, he does, he does. He.
Speaker 1: He just did my show recently doing like comedic songs.
Speaker 3: And it was really funny.
Speaker 1: He writes like these funny songs like I Know this
Speaker 1: Dog and whatever the hell else, but like so funny.
Speaker 3: He's singing a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, Okay, good good, Yeah, to be so hot
Speaker 4: such a yeah, it's crazy, it's really nuts.
Speaker 3: What's your dream theater role?
Speaker 4: Well, gosh, I love creating new shows, you know. I've
Speaker 4: gotten to create so many new shows, so that's really
Speaker 4: my favorite. But my first show that he did in
Speaker 4: Broadway was Blood Brothers Anyone Anyway.
Speaker 3: So he was from London and I was the understudy.
Speaker 4: And now I am old enough to play like the lead,
Speaker 4: the mother role, and so that is one of my
Speaker 4: dream roles. Oh okay, And actually when I did so,
Speaker 4: it was my first show I didn a Broadway and
Speaker 4: I did it with the first cast from London. Then
Speaker 4: I did it with Sean and David Cassidy. Oh Carol
Speaker 4: King like was just the cast was just revolving stars.
Speaker 4: And I got my first ray show yeah.
Speaker 3: So fun.
Speaker 1: That's so I think that's so cool too that on
Speaker 1: Broadway it's like you're too young to play this role,
Speaker 1: like wait a little bit, you can play the the
Speaker 1: like the good part, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 4: It's like the only, only only kind of acting where
Speaker 4: you can actually have a career as an older woman.
Speaker 2: I also saw in your Insta bio you teach Yes,
Speaker 2: is that something you a podcast?
Speaker 3: Okay, tell us more.
Speaker 4: I have a podcast called Breaking Broadway All four because
Speaker 4: the biggest question I get asked on my Instagram on
Speaker 4: this how can I break into Bride?
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, I'm.
Speaker 4: Just gonna put it into a podcast so then you
Speaker 4: can listen to it. And so it's fun. I, you know,
Speaker 4: interview people in the business and I try and find
Speaker 4: out people's rejection stories because I always find that to
Speaker 4: be inspirational. And then I introduce you casting directors and
Speaker 4: you know, just things to help people kind of anybody
Speaker 4: who wants to be an actor to make it.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot of these in my like
Speaker 1: for you page of girls that are like come with
Speaker 1: me on a day trying to get cast on Broadway.
Speaker 1: And it's like if they're not repped, they're just like
Speaker 1: I wake up at the in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night and I go into the city because I live
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, and then I sign up for an
Speaker 1: open call, and then I do the open call and
Speaker 1: that takes forever, and then I'll go and like you
Speaker 1: know classes, yeah, and then go this, and then I'll
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 3: It's like it's a hustle.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know. I feel like if I had
Speaker 4: to do it now, I would not make it.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just I mean to get up. That
Speaker 3: is dedication.
Speaker 4: They really do get up at like four in the morning,
Speaker 4: sign in at five in the morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that you can like.
Speaker 1: Maybe get plucked out to do the chorus or something, you.
Speaker 4: Know, maybe or maybe maybe get the audition. They're going
Speaker 4: now really and they're not even getting teap to get
Speaker 4: the audition.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just saw Death Becomes Her on Broadway. That was
Speaker 1: the last thing I saw because I live in la also,
Speaker 1: so I don't see as much Broadway as I used to.
Speaker 1: But uh, like the chorus dancers were the sexiest people
Speaker 1: I'd ever seen.
Speaker 3: I was like, these people are amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, it really helped do that like cut out.
Speaker 4: I just saw Glengarry Glenn Ross last night, Bill Burr. Okay,
Speaker 4: it was opening, yeah, yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: I saw some real carpet photos. Yeah yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was exciting. It was exciting.
Speaker 1: And what's your review. We can blurt, we can cut
Speaker 1: it out if you if it's not.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought it was great, really like great, great performances.
Speaker 3: Bilbert.
Speaker 4: I didn't really know him, but he was fantastic. I
Speaker 4: think he's the big surprise because people were like, he's
Speaker 4: a comedian and right, so they were like, none of us, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he was.
Speaker 3: He did great.
Speaker 2: I think you said some acting role, you know, more
Speaker 2: and more, but this is definitely probably a new thing.
Speaker 1: For He had a little part in Breaking but he
Speaker 1: had a little recurring part in either Breaking Bad or
Speaker 1: Better Passault, right, but he was on the King of
Speaker 1: Staten Island too.
Speaker 3: He was sad and yeah.
Speaker 2: But if you ever want to laugh, his special let
Speaker 2: It Go is like one of the best.
Speaker 3: It's probably from two thousand and five, but it's oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: so fun.
Speaker 2: You're in the mood, just laugh. Oh, speaking of comme,
Speaker 2: I'm a I was a big Mindy project. Girl, Will
Speaker 2: you tell us so was I?
Speaker 3: Oh? Fun? Oh my gosh, that was That was a
Speaker 3: really really fun one to do.
Speaker 4: I don't I think somehow I didn't even audition for that.
Speaker 4: They watched tape of me. I think that maybe the
Speaker 4: writers were fans of mine, which rarely happens, I know,
Speaker 4: And they were showing Mindy the like clips from Little
Speaker 4: Shop of Horrors, and they cast me as the Southern girlfriend.
Speaker 4: And it was so hard to keep straight face on
Speaker 4: that show because Mindy would improvise so much in the
Speaker 4: scenes and.
Speaker 3: It was so funny. Like I remember there.
Speaker 4: Being a bread basket on the table and when Mindy
Speaker 4: got mad, she was like, I'll.
Speaker 3: Just I'll be taking these with me and just walks
Speaker 3: off with the bread. And that was never she never
Speaker 3: heard that.
Speaker 4: She only did that for one take, or just like
Speaker 4: shoving the bread into her mouth.
Speaker 3: It was. She's so funny. That was such a fun
Speaker 3: show to do.
Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome and really also also really down to earth,
Speaker 4: really nice.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: The other thing I got from your Wikipedia was your
Speaker 1: husband is a muppet puppeteer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, crazy, Yeah, my husband was on Sesame Street
Speaker 4: for over twenty five years. He was the head writer
Speaker 4: and he does the puppets and directs of the shows.
Speaker 4: But now he has left and now he's still doing puppets,
Speaker 4: but he's writing on different shows and trying to create
Speaker 4: other new kids shows and things like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was planning. Wait, that's awesome. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: well we love it's funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we and we grew up down the street from
Speaker 4: each other, so it just happened that we both were
Speaker 4: in the in the business. But we knew each other
Speaker 4: from when we were just kids.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: I was I was Kim, he was Hugo and bye
Speaker 4: bye Bertie in high school.
Speaker 1: Stop it. That is so cute. Thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for talking to us, Carrie. This is great.
Speaker 3: Sure, thanks for having me so fun. Well, I mean
Speaker 3: that was a thrill.
Speaker 2: And I always everyone I brought carry Butler up to
Speaker 2: couldn't believe that we talked to her. She really is
Speaker 2: a Broadway beloved baby, because people were even by acting
Speaker 2: coach he was like.
Speaker 3: I love Carrie Butler.
Speaker 1: Oh fu Yeah, no, she was great, And now we
Speaker 1: have to do that other episode she's in den of Wolt.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if we have to.
Speaker 1: It's extremely disturbing, but we'll probably do it at some point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh my god, this episode, this true crime,
Speaker 1: it's so fucking crazy that women just can't be by
Speaker 1: themselves sometimes.
Speaker 3: Without fear of murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what I took away from it,
Speaker 1: Like she with all the like hubbub of like her
Speaker 1: making out with the people, and the cross dressing principle
Speaker 1: and the podcast producer who's maybe a creep, it really
Speaker 1: was just she gave a sandwich to the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: And that's I talked about that on Ane, another podcast
Speaker 1: I went on recently where I was like, so many
Speaker 1: murders are I feel like they're just literally wrong place,
Speaker 1: wrong time, and it's so freaky. Like when I think
Speaker 1: about the one we covered on townhouse incident, Remember how
Speaker 1: like those guys were just looking to fuck up some houses.
Speaker 1: But then one guy he just saw the girl in
Speaker 1: the supermarket. Like if they hadn't been in that supermarket
Speaker 1: that day, he wouldn't have gone to her house. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like, really, who knows what life will bring?
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, and to bring it back to the yoga
Speaker 2: beach though again is They also in the doc talk
Speaker 2: to people that escaped him really that were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: cause he targeted sex workers. So there were situations where
Speaker 2: like a girl was like I need to get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here and was able to do that,
Speaker 2: like you know, and had a taser, had to fight
Speaker 2: them all like oh my god. But they were scared
Speaker 2: to go to the cops with information and they refused.
Speaker 2: They refused to talk to the sex workers for investigative
Speaker 2: purposes either.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Just like it's all fucked up and upsetting as always.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so hard to always have a postmortem.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, it sucks, this sucks, It all sucks.
Speaker 2: What do you want?
Speaker 1: Like, you know, the the men are out here doing
Speaker 1: bad things NonStop all the time, and then the people
Speaker 1: that are supposed to do their job to help are
Speaker 1: also doing bad things, and everyone's just doing bad things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that. On that, I don't know what
Speaker 1: else to say. Like she shouldn't have given him a sandwich.
Speaker 2: She should have been in Canada putting her kids to bed,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like whatever, why was she traveling alone?
Speaker 2: I mean, but she must have been so fucked up
Speaker 2: because like that, like.
Speaker 3: The teacher's wig was like not well done.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like when you see a
Speaker 2: dude in drag, like you could tell that's the whole thing,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if you see Tricksie,
Speaker 2: you're like, that's that's a performer around huh. So I
Speaker 2: just am like he wasn't even contouring, like he wasn't
Speaker 2: good at drags.
Speaker 1: So it's like you really couldn't tell. Yeah maybe then drugs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ecstasy makes you have, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: of blurry vision, I guess in terms of that.
Speaker 2: But she could tell him didn't care. She's like a
Speaker 2: good person, But that didn't seem like the story.
Speaker 1: Well isn't that why she left though, like because she
Speaker 1: figured out Yeah, but we you know.
Speaker 3: That was like a plot hole for me because we
Speaker 3: watched them dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she grabbed his dick and like laughs, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, all right, Well, yeah, a sad one. I
Speaker 1: was definitely sad. We don't like, we don't like lose
Speaker 1: the victim, like that's been in the hospital. And I
Speaker 1: also like making videos like that. I make videos with
Speaker 1: that all the time when I'm drunk and having a
Speaker 1: great night. So now I'm like, Okay, I guess that's
Speaker 1: a jinx. And I can never memorialize a fun little
Speaker 1: video again. Every video you make, you have to be like,
Speaker 1: this could be what they play on the evening news.
Speaker 3: If you can get into my phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could write it with like a photo
Speaker 2: or something if anything happens.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true. Good to know. All right, Well,
Speaker 3: let's move on to what would Sister Peg do? This week?
Speaker 1: For what would Sister Peg Do, which you guys know,
Speaker 1: is our weekly segment where we direct you towards and organization,
Speaker 1: an article, a book, something to give you more info
Speaker 1: about what we talked about today. I wanted to look into,
Speaker 1: you know, women traveling solo. It's a huge thing. Women
Speaker 1: travel solo all the time. It's becoming more and more
Speaker 1: popular every year. And I wanted to just point you
Speaker 1: to this article titled fifteen Tips for traveling alone as
Speaker 1: a woman. It's on the World Packers website. It's just
Speaker 1: a short list of things you can do to like,
Speaker 1: have fun, am be safe while traveling as a woman.
Speaker 1: Some things, I you know, thought of, some things I
Speaker 1: didn't like. One was like wear a wedding ring, or
Speaker 1: don't overshare with strangers, like you don't have to tell
Speaker 1: people your life story. There's a lot of interesting tips
Speaker 1: on there, so check it out if you're planning a
Speaker 1: trip by yourself. It's at Worldpackers dot com. But also
Speaker 1: the exact link is in our show notes and we'll
Speaker 1: be posted on our Instagram stories and saved forever in
Speaker 1: our WWSPD highlight the day this episode comes out, and yeah,
Speaker 1: happy trails, but stay safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay safe everyone, And next week we'll be doing
Speaker 2: a lighthearted, charming episode. JK, we'll be doing Underbelly season eight,
Speaker 2: episode seven. We're obsessed with all of you. Thanks for listening.
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