WEBVTT - Brief Interlude w/ Kerry Butler 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.439 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.280 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.720 These are our stories, done. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:31.560 Done, Yay, that's messed up. In SVU podcast, my name 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.479 is Liza Traeger and I am Makara Klank, and every 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.360 week we recap. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.320 An episode of SVU, talk about the true crimates based 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.720 on and then talk to a cool guest, an actor 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.320 from the show usually and then but first we catch 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:47.360 up and see what's going on. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.240 And there's a lot happening right now. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.800 I'm also if you'd like to be enrayed. I should 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.320 have went to bed last night. I didn't. I put 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.400 on Gone Girls, the Gilgo Beach, fucking Long Island killer. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.840 We covered this before it was solved, so that was 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:04.920 episode eighty six. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.440 I like reread your notes because I was like, I 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.280 wonder what, like what we knew, what we didn't know? 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.600 What if you just want to be enraged by police ineptitude, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.200 corruption fucked up? 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.600 I mean I I should have gone. I couldn't go 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:18.840 to bed. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.800 I mean I was, oh my god, outrage fists in 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.840 my bed, like We always talk about police being so 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.560 bad at their job, but this is so hard. Just 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.319 so many women sex workers brutalized, murdered, tortured. No one 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.160 gave a fuck, No one wanted to investigate. Even when 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.360 evidence would come out, they fought it. They wouldn't work 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.120 with other departments, which was in your notes. But like 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.679 it's a really good it's a really well done three 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.640 part doc. So just three parts, Okay, it's great. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:54.440 I watched all three. I watched all I'm so mad. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.080 God, it's like, yeah, well, I mean, but it is 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.160 good that they caught it. It's like, these guys, you're 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.160 not getting away with stuff in this day and age 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:04.440 where we are catching. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.000 Well now they had to. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.200 They had to fucking put one police commissioner in prison, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.600 get rid of this other DA. They were colluding. They 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.840 were fucking crazy. They're committing all these crimes. Then we 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:20.160 bring in someone else she could. It took three different 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.200 regime changes in this And I guess Suffolk County is 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.720 the largest police precinct department in the country. They're like 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.800 very powerful, they're the most well paid police officers in 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:32.360 the country. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.160 Wow. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.760 And I guess Long Island's the biggest island in America. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.440 I mean, I had no fucking idea. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.640 Wait, did they talk about how weird the vibe was 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.799 in the town, because that was a lot of part 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.360 of my research was like this town was really weird. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.800 Everybody kind of knew each other and covered up ship 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.280 for each other and stuff too. Remember like this one 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:52.600 specific little. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:58.080 Town where like it all was going down near Gilgo Beach. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.760 The vibes were weird. But it's just like, I guess 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:01.959 I don't. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:06.440 Find them different from other cases we've covered where it's 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.760 like kind of small even though it's this big island, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.680 it's small town. It's cops, it's a Republican, it's blue line, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:13.880 and it's fuck sex workers. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.320 They're not real people, right, you know. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.680 It's there's a fucking recording of this girl terrified and 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:22.920 people are like, I don't know. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.240 She sounds like maybe she went ran away, Like Carara, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:27.399 how could I go to bed? 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.320 There was a fucking press conference where one of the 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:31.720 one of the white old men. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.960 That's a nightmare. I forgot which one goes. It was. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.320 She accidentally went in there typothermia, she took off for clothes. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.280 It's accidental death. But then they brought in Michael Badden. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.320 But it's so yeah, if you want to listen to 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.320 oh that, yes, before it was solved and then now 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:55.600 finally a task for and it was I mean decades 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.680 these uh, these victims wanted justice and they talked to 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.760 witness says who knew who the people looked like, like 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.440 they had experiences. They gave the information. They had the 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.960 information of what kind of car this motherfucker drove, his 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:14.240 physical description, they had decades went by. It's like, it's 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.640 truly fucking sane. He was like the who they find 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.039 out did it was like the house kids didn't go 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.240 to for trick or treating a fucking creep, you. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.760 Know what I mean. It's not like anyone was like 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.960 get out of town. Not that nice man. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.000 Yeah, oh my god, yeah, fuck all right, we gotta 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:33.480 watch it. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.479 They had information for forever. They wouldn't connect it, they 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:44.640 wouldn't investigate. It's just like it really is disgusting. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:50.960 Yeah, crazy, Well no, no easy segue off of that, but. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.480 I mean no, it is. Well, well, we could go 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.119 to wait, what are you gonna do? Lots of TV 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.279 White House. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.400 Listen, we went to the White House, the White Life. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.640 Let's just talk about the second one. I cannot talk 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.120 about the first one. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.680 What do you mean, what's wrong? They're just snatching people 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.880 off the streets. I'm sending them to Salvador, who cares God. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:10.960 Not a huge deal. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:16.320 The Supreme Court is letting him run unchecked. But I 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.279 we went to Lego Land. Everybody, we did it. It 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.400 was great, it was amazing, it was a wonderful day. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:25.000 It was a perfect little trip for two little kids. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.960 But the only my only gripe with Lego Land is 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.600 every place you eat at Lego Land, where, by the way, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.120 the food is like pretty gross and its extremely expensive, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.440 like every amusement park, but every food is like lives 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.600 on an island by itself. So if you want to 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.159 go pizza, you gotta go to the pizza place. If 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.640 you want chicken, you gotta go to the chicken place 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.320 if you want it. And it's like if you're eating 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.920 in a family where people eat different things, it's very 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.520 very annoying because you have to like take Oscar to 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.800 chicken town while I'm taking Rosie to pizza town and 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.200 it's not like and it's not like a food court. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.520 Right, that's the thing. It's like, make it a food court. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.800 Kids are psychotic, you know, like just but besides that, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.599 fucking we get the best weather. The kids were so 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.880 jazzed about everything that we went on a bunch of 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.920 roller coasters. We made Oscar lie about his age. He 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.479 did it. It was amazing, it was great. But so 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.120 that's what did they buy? What did they buy? What 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:16.720 he got? 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.240 Stuffy? 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.840 Rosie obviously got a stuffy of what like a square? 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:22.640 What is it? 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.040 Not even Lego related. It's like a fucking dog. It's 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.400 like some dog. And I go, Rosie, this isn't even 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.800 really legal, and she goes, please, I want it so bad. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.080 And I was like, all right, well, I mean I'm 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.760 not gonna argue with you. I was like, you don't 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.640 want to get a Lego set? Where at Lego Land? No, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:42.279 Oscar got Elsa and Anna's like a mini castle from Arundel. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.039 But I also got him a bigger one for his birthday, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.200 so he's gonna get that later. I have a little 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.280 name drop, but I did so. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.960 I did go to Mateo Lanes Radio City Music Hall 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.960 show obviously incredible. I got to chit chat with Bob 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.039 the drag queen, you know, and the green room in 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.479 the green Room, he hosted the most beautif full outfit 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.640 I've ever seen, and I just like, I can't even 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.960 But Bob said that Adina Menzel is the most famous 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.320 Broadway actor in the world, and I was like, huh, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.040 I want to kind of like find an argument. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.720 He goes, well, you won't, but when you do, you 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:16.640 could let me know. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.920 And I've been thinking about it, and because I was like, oh, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.080 because of Frozen and then it's like Rent Wicked, like 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.320 just the most recognizable, probably the most box office or 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:29.400 like profitable. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.800 But I guess so, yeah, I don't know. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.400 Yeah, I'm sure like physically, I remember. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.640 I'm sure we have listeners that are like screaming at 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:43.720 their uh like phones right now. But I mean, I yeah, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.240 because it's like Patty Lapone is obviously a regular people 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.840 don't know her, don't know who she is. Ye, it's 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.640 not what Bob's saying. It's not like who do you think. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.680 It's like people don't know her. Yeah, if you could 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.440 put someone they don't know, Kristin Chenowith too, is like, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.480 I mean, you could argue Christian Chanowitz. She's done a lot. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.160 Sutton Foster starred in her own television shop dumber, which 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.600 is I don't think appearing now on Netflix and getting bigger. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.760 I don't know, Casey, are you thinking you're moving your 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.640 mic around? I feel like you're I think I think 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.120 the answer is Lynn Manuel. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.600 Oh but Oya should should? I should? I hit? 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:25.720 That? 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.520 Is it lip? That's just my recognize. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.160 Yeah, that's a good question. He was in the New 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.800 Mary Poppins. I mean, I'm just saying he does like 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.120 stuff where he's on camera. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.120 You never heard of it. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.760 I think that could be he's like the Dick van 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.000 Dyke of of Emily Blunts Mary Poppins. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:53.640 But yeah, yeah that's good. That's not a bad one. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.200 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's an interesting and it is so 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.600 funny because like some of these people are so well 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.520 known and it's like, yeah, you wouldn't really know them 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.720 unless you're like a Broadway person, you know. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.720 Yeah that's what I mean, because I would I would 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.840 maybe think of other but no, no. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.719 No, well that's an interesting Yeah. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.200 If you have your leave a comment on today's episode 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.440 on Instagram in the comment section, let us know who 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.600 you think, cause like I am wondering, like if Dina 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.160 Menzel has the actual name recognition. If you went into 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.000 like deep rural like America, And you said, do you 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.920 know who Adina Menzel is? I think some people will 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.840 go know and you're like, but have you seen Frozen? 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.880 Oh? Sure, she's the voice of Elsa. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.080 Have you seen Rent, she's the voice of Maureen, you know, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.280 or she like if you if you've heard Rent or whatever? Uh, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.400 but yeah, no, I think Lynn Manuel is the only 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:50.400 uh the biggest crossover because of Malana and just Hamilton 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.400 did something to Broadway that probably Wicked maybe did, but. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.480 I don't know. I was in high school. I wasn't 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.280 like thinking about this in high school. I was just yeah, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.200 Wicked was like Wicked was like. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.360 You waited in the lottery, you really wanted to get 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.800 into the Wicked lottery or whatever, but like if you 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.760 didn't get into the Wicked Lottery, like I ended up 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.839 getting tickets like for cheap a few months later, you 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:12.319 know what I mean. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.880 Like Hamilton was like you could not. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.240 See it for years unless you shelled out like a 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.800 ton of ton of money. So Hamilton was something like 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:26.720 kind of extraordinary. I'm assuming you know, but maybe some 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.840 of our listeners don't know. Do you know who the 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.439 producer of the Broadway show Othello is right now, it's 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:32.040 enzal and. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:32.719 J Hill Hall. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.760 Is it Candy It's fucking candy Bird. Yeah, I mean, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.599 could she dominate more industries? 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:40.400 Yeah? 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.760 It was her time to leave. It was her time 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.560 to leave Atlanta. She's too busy. But I want to 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.480 go right into Atlanta. And yeah, oh my god. Devastating, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.400 it's a devastating it's heard of events upset once again. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.839 Real Housewives is in the true crime genre. Okay, So 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.920 just to give everybody background, because I know not all 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.000 of you are in our obsession that we are. Real 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.120 house wass of Atlanta has had a bunch of regulars 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.280 obviously for years. This year there was like a like 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.360 a like a half shake up. I would say, there's 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.760 like three or four. There's three or four new girls 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:16.800 on the show, right, Shamia, Britt, Angela, and Kelly. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.440 So there's new women on it. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.240 And this new woman comes on and she starts tangling 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.040 with an old an old cast member, an older cast member, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.439 not old in age, old in you know, seniority, Kenya Moore, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.840 who notoriously goes low. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.320 This girl, Britt started out gotten. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.520 It with Kenny, thinking I think Cynthia maybe had the 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.280 right theory of like you having a perception of Kenya 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.840 because of the show and her fame, and I feel 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.280 like Britt was just coming reading into stuff through that 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.360 lens and not being in reality because I saw Kenya 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.800 maybe being a little petty, but like nothing to have 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.440 warranted what you're about to say that Britt did. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:12:00.560 Yeah, so that Britt did, or that Kenya did that Britt. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.120 Britt threatened her with guns. Britt said, I have my 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.640 pistol on me, I have my fucking gun. I have 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.840 guns and knives and I don't play. Oh. I didn't 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.040 hear her say on me. I just thought she you're right, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.280 you should not threaten guns. I just did not have 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.600 everything to gus at home that you can't. Yeah, they 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.840 were at a state so they're at a dinner. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.640 Guns is insane. Yeah, they're at a dinner. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.040 They have a fight, and they and and Kenya start 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.480 and this girl is just like, I'm leaving and starts 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.680 walking out and she's yelling all this shit at Kenya 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.880 and she says something like I have pistols, I have knives, whatever, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.400 and she's threatening. I never got the feeling that she 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.280 had that stuff on her. I thought she meant like 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.640 I have weapons in my arsenal and I'll come for 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.000 you or whatever. I never I didn't think it was 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.640 like a big threat. I thought what Kenya did was 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.680 way worse, way worse. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.040 Difficult to watch, yeah, stating to see it's like we're 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.160 on the same page there, Okay, but Britt should have 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.240 been reprim I mean Britt came to apologize like Kenya, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.040 I can't believe she did that. It's like, it's sad 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.439 to see you kind of see this rage on her 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:19.280 in a way of like just this anger. Where was 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.200 she wasn't even thinking clear, like it was this huge 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.120 event for her. Was like so Kenya so basically okay. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.400 So that's at the dinner the night before Britt, they 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.320 get into a fight and Brittany, I think Britt has been, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.199 you know, picking at her in this way, threatens her. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.040 So now it's a hair salon opening. You know, Kenya's 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.640 being really vulnerable. She like, I put a lot of 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.240 money into this. I need this to be a success. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:45.200 It's this huge party. Britt does come, apologizes, brings flowers. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.720 So but ken You ignores her, ignores. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.960 Her, flatly, does not won't look at her, talks like 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.480 over her, like yeah. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:54.720 Because she already wanted to do this. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.280 So then all of a sudden, Kenya starts doing a 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.720 fucking speech britt the moment photo. I don't know if 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.240 the photos came whatever. Brittany actually leave, britt. I don't 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.920 know why keep calling our Brittany. She's never said it 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:11.920 was Brittany. So so britt leaves. Kenya has three rounds 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.960 of like blown up photos. Who printed those on like 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:16.600 foam core. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.120 We're talking like you're trying to get extra credit for 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:24.080 the high school presentation. Foam core photos printed that Bravo 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.080 has blurred out, like we can't even see these photos. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.920 And one is of this woman sucking a dick. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.040 But what people have said was like, but if it's 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.920 on the internet, then like who cares if it's public 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.160 and you show it, and I'm like I was before 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.880 I watched it, I go, okay, maybe like if you 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.040 did poor that's not I thought, like Cynthia Pore, everyone left. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:53.480 The vibe shifted. She did a terrible call. She got 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:54.800 everybody's attention. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.320 It wasn't like she was just like girls, look at 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.400 this stuff that I found of her on the internet. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.960 This is the girl it's coming for me, she blew it. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.040 Oh stop the grand opening of this salon that matters 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.600 to her, which I feel like, you're also that's like 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.360 they're always talking about being classy and versus trashy, and 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 I'm like, girl, don't do this at your thing. But 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.920 how many fights on the Real Housewives franchises have there 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.040 been where there's stuff that's like but it's on the blog? 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:21.720 So who cares if I talk about it? And they're like, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.680 it's different when you bring it to a national stage, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.040 when you bring it to a television show, you know, Like, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.400 I think it's very different. And there's photos of her 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.040 sucking dick on the internet. I would have never seen those, like, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.240 I'm not looking for those. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:35.720 It was nonconsensual. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.680 She took these explicit photos and the reaction of her 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.040 co stars is what's very telling. But should she have 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.480 been fired? Like is that worse than physically assaulting people? 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.200 Pulling post what we've seen before, beating the shit like 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.400 fully going to prison for defrauding people? Like I don't 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.840 know what what what are the rules? Because was she 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.000 fired that day or did they edit her out from 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.520 the rest, I don't know. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.000 I have no idea I remember hearing about this when 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.000 it like happened like through you know, blogs or whatever 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.760 and instagrams, but I don't remember. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:09.760 I don't know what the timeline was. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.440 But literally, I think that they might be thinking about 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.760 the premeditation of it. A ponytail poll when you've been 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.200 drinking for hours and you're fighting with each other, and 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.040 that's kind of like a little bit of the premise 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.920 of the show is that there's all these interpersonal dynamics 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.640 that's one thing, researching and blowing up and calling attention. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.600 Like they might think, oh, well, she like fully premeditated this. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.720 This wasn't something she did off the cuff, like in 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.480 a moment of passion. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:37.240 You know. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.400 I'm just I mean, like we separated for crimes. You know, 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.800 there's no she was She didn't take the apology. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.560 She just wanted to do it and there was nothing 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.360 stopping her and she felt in the right and she 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.480 went too dirty and too low. Yeah, I can't believe 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.880 she like fucked up her legacy for this off for 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.720 this new girl. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.400 But I hate when the new girls come in too 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:54.960 strong too. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.080 I do too, But it's like they be like it 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.600 was barely I don't even know what started it? 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.480 Was it asking about the wedding ring? I don't even 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.240 know what started it? 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.600 Yeah it was, and maybe she was being like a 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:10.359 little not not friendly, but like Britches was so like Bob, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.480 Like I think she was coming from the lens of 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.479 like Kenya, this is Kenya, Like wasn't seeing her as 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:16.119 who she was? 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.480 Yeah, and then but she fed into it. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.000 But again also I think those girls want to get 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.159 into a fight quick so that you know they've got 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.439 something going on on the show, you know. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.399 So yeah, I can't wait to talk to my friends. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.880 Soon before it came out, we're like, whatever, the photo's 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.359 already out, because once you see it, it's like pretty uncomfortable. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.719 It's really uncomfortable, Like people are leaving in droves like it, 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.960 and every confessional is like, girl, what are you doing? 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.840 But do you want to talk about, uh, the finale 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:48.520 of White Loaded. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.120 Yeah, let's do White Lotus and then we'll get right 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.080 into SVU, right, Okay. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:54.040 So. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:56.720 Spoilers coming. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.080 Okay, We're just gonna talk about the finale of White 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.280 Lotus if you want to press fast forward. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.320 But you know what, like last season when people were like, oh, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.320 but this is that Mike White was like, yeah, it's 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.679 pretty obvious what was going down, Like I made it 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.080 clear these were like people trying to kill you know. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.320 He's like, yeah, I don't know why people are like, oh, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.280 it's a mysteries, like I make it so obvious, and 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.119 because I think that's one of the things the complaints 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.600 was like, ah obvious, and it's like yeah, I don't 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.960 think he's like shut up. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:27.600 Yeah. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.120 He also went on Howard start. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.000 He's like, I guess people don't like this one as much, 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:35.119 like really self aware. I'm like obsessed with Mike White, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.359 but I liked it. I'm sad I want more. I 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.280 would watch the show for twenty eight episodes every year 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.720 for eight years, Like I don't know. I say, I'm 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.040 sad it's done. I hope we get more, and I 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.439 think there is I read somewhere there's a four. I mean, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.639 it would be crazy if they did it. Yeah, but 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.199 I heard it's not going to be a beach. So 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.640 I actually watched like a reel that was like where 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.520 should they go next time? Like oh, like I slimd 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.320 or like they have to have a four seasons, Like 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.520 there's a lot of stuff. So they were saying like 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.840 a safari type thing. There's Paris, there's like a Swiss 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.160 that like a skiing. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.280 Thing, a skie or something. Yeah. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.680 Yeah, so I mean cool, I will follow him anywhere. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.320 I'm like obsessed. Yeah yeah, No. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.600 I loved the season. I thought that it was really dark. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.240 It was like really ominous, like more so than past seasons. 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:31.119 Like but yeah, the end was like wild, Like it 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.320 was really just about how people like make all these 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.040 different choices that are you know, not who you. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:37.159 I don't know you. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.560 There were people that I was like, oh, I didn't 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.399 want to think that's like who you were, but like 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.480 it does people do make choices kind of based on 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.880 Lenny and all kinds of like guy talk. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.600 Like Belinda, you know, like. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.080 Because at the end of the day, Greg didn't kill Tanya. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.119 Yeah he didn't do it. So it's like at the 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.160 end of the day, it's like murder. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:01.199 Why why the fuck was I so scared of carry 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.120 the shiny. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.200 Shady And maybe he would have and he didn't, like 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.760 like I don't think he's a great guy, but or 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:08.160 it's like. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.240 He knew they were they were divorcing. 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.760 He knew that they were like getting they were leaving 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.240 each other, right, weren't they breaking up and he still 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:16.000 took all the money. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.399 Maybe that's what's bad about him. I don't know, but 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:18.840 that's there. 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:19.159 You know. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.760 She's like, this is hush murder money and it's not. Yeah, 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.520 and Aria is an alibi to be honest, he was 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:26.040 at the hotel. 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:26.879 I forgot where he was. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.600 But yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I can't believe it's even 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.919 like a mystery. Didn't they find all the other gays 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:35.920 that were trying to murder her, like in the boat? 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.640 Well, oh, you know what, it might be unsolved. We 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.600 just saw what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, like 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.320 it could be we yeah, the cops could have not solved. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.520 But you're right in terms of like in terms of 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.840 the like moral conundrum of it. We know what happened. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.680 So I don't know why I'm even mad at Belinda. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.240 I was like, Belinda sold out for the money. It's like, no, 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.840 she didn't, she didn't. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.080 It's also fine, what what she needs to be murdered 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:02.080 to have ethics? 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:03.320 Go fuck yourself. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.439 But also I I don't like that they're trying to 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.720 make it seem like she's doing a poor chai, which 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.560 Tanya did to her it's like so different. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.560 It's so annoying. I hate this. Yes, it's like such 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.400 a trick. It's so annoying, and maybe it's a tinger, 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.080 you know, it's like a thought, and I'm happy to 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.919 have a discussion. But it's not the same. And I'm 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.720 annoyed actually that people think it is. It's not the same. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.800 She turned into Tanya. This guy fucked her then brought 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.080 up starting a business. 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.119 Yeah, one day they hoped up on and she didn't 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.119 seem like she was into the idea even when he 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.040 first brought it up. And I don't even think he 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.080 knows she has all this money, so it's not like 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.520 it's like the power balance. Even though the power balance 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.560 is that we know it's there, it's not there for him. 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:46.280 So it's different. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:46.520 No. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.720 I love what her son was like the spot and 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.080 she goes, can I just be rich for what a minute? 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.000 Five minutes? Yeah? 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.280 Like sother fucker. But I love Zion. 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.520 I also love the moment of if that therapist just 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.520 talking like why couldn't she see that Greg was in crisis? 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.879 That that Rick Rick? Yeah, why couldn't she see that 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.600 Rick was in crisis? 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:08.600 Yeah? 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:10.639 Like I don't know, would you be like, Zion, can 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.280 you just give me like ten this man? Yeah, it's crazed. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.639 Yeah, and like yeah, right, exactly did you know that 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.479 there was a cut scene where Piper and Zion hook up. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.639 Yeah, I'm pissed. Yeah, I want more, That's what I mean. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.520 Why is an eight? Give me more? Yeah? 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.240 All the discussions, all the interviews are like, cause Carrie 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.640 Coon did an interview that like so much was cut, 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.520 that they had so much dialogue that was cut, and 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.520 like there's all this stuff, and so to. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.080 Me, I'm like, who is HBO? Could we just give 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.119 us twelve episodes? 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:39.400 Why? 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:41.560 What's with the lippets? I don't get it. I don't you. 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.399 Guys were there for six months making this show, like 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.040 give us ten, you know, like we could do ten. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.320 I just don't get why you have to cut it 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.520 like we're in, we are in, so like, yeah, I don't. 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.320 I also love the end that the like the Russian 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.240 dudes are right away with new women. 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.159 Yeah, and guess it's like that they just do this 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:01.720 all the time. 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.560 I really loved and I loved I don't like that 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.080 they soul from the thing, but I like that he 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:09.120 didn't want to tell on them. 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:14.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't like I will say 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:20.720 I didn't really love how the three women's storyline ended up, 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.600 Like I didn't. I didn't think that Like I thought 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.320 that there was gonna be a more honest, like reckoning 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.520 in their friendship of like how they all feel about 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.840 each other, which the penultimate episode kind of attempted and 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:33.800 didn't really do. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.439 And then the whole point though, is that they're just 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:38.879 gonna all keep faking it forever. 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.399 No, they had this, They're gonna have this great last night, drunk, 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.680 fun night, and they're gonna remember these good memories and 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:46.000 then they'll see each other next year. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:46.480 I don't know. 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.919 I don't know Mary Coon I thought her speech. 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.760 I was confused by the speech. I was like, these. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.720 Women make you sad when you're with them, you feel 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.400 sad about your life. I don't understand why that why 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.240 you're just happy to be at the table, Like I thought, 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.240 Carrie Coon's character was the most relatable character, was the 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.960 most interesting character, and of the three of them, and 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:09.920 she that was. 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:11.480 My big issue with Vulture this year. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.320 All the recaps were like carry Kon's character is a 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.960 fucking loser. It was like crazy they're like ugh, and 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:21.120 she acted not and I'm like I always scroll through 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.800 those comments and the people were with me of like, yeah, 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:28.040 your take is actually really wrong, and Kate's like a mediac. 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.480 Yeah, like I liked what she was saying about. It's like, yeah, 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.760 like we're just gonna gloss over the fact that Jacqueline 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.560 absolutely did that on purpose to fucking spite you, Like 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.320 she absolutely did the Valentine thing on purpose, like she did. 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.359 Kate is a full religious. 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.239 Trumper now, and you're going to gonna gloss over that, 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.360 you know what I mean. And it's like that her 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:51.359 superpower is her vulnerability, and in her vulnerability, she's just 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.639 like I'm just like so happy to be able to 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.320 even hang out with you guys. It's like what I loved, 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.399 Like this the part I totally got, the part about 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.080 like what is my religion? And it's not my business, 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.600 it's not my daughter or child. Again, apparently there was 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.399 much more fleshed out about her life at home that 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.800 we don't know about. It wasn't marriage, so what is 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.800 my thing? And I'm like, I don't know. You seem 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.200 like the most vulnerable of all of them, the most 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.000 willing to try new things the most like honest of 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.400 all of them, you have a lot of great qualities. 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.879 I don't know why you're like, I'm glad you're pretty 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:23.600 and that you have a perfect life, and I'm just 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:24.440 glad I'm at the table. 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:24.760 I don't know. 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:26.680 I didn't like get the end of the and some 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:28.760 people are like loving that I don't relate to. 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.120 I liked the speech because she's such a good actress, 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.800 you know, like this girl was feeling it. And you know, 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:39.240 I haven't mentioned Daniel Bayer Jackson for a while friendship expert, 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:43.160 but her big thing is like you know, we we 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.600 really like idolize or like think highly of long term 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.800 friendships or relationships, but like time doesn't mean they're functional 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.879 or positive or non toxic, you know what I mean? 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:53.680 Like, right, you. 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:55.800 Could be friends from someone from high school or grade 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.520 school for forty years and never change same patterns do 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.919 all this fucked up shit? And I think that's what 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.560 this is showing, Like even when we were like married 0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.359 fifty years and it's like, okay, but how long have 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.119 they lived in different wings of the house, Like what 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.159 are we actually celebrating here? And so I think this 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.560 was a more realistic showing and how people don't change 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.040 in like how to her time. Time is what she 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.760 has with these women and that's not nothing. And so 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.120 I got that where it's like it doesn't mean it's positive, 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.960 but I feel it's realistic. And I think, how many 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.359 women because I follow this Chelsea Fagan she started the 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.400 financial I used to read her articles on Thought Catalog 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:32.959 and she did a real and she was just like, 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.280 if you're relating to this and thinking. 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.040 Like, oh, reminds me of my friends, Like do not 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:37.520 be friends? 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.080 Like that is not right, that's not being Carrion was 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.720 gonna be like that your president saying like you should 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.800 not want your friends, like you shouldn' want to even 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.440 talk about your friends like that or to do those 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:50.960 things like it's all psychotic. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.520 But I think it's I think it's real. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.240 I also think he took inspiration from the Real Housewives 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.600 to create these women, and that is a real housewife 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:03.160 trope of FLI conflict, conflict, toxic, toxic. And then they 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.359 have one drunk night and they're topless in the pool 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.840 in Turks and caicos and their friends again and they 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.080 cry and hug at the reunion. 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:10.360 It's like very housewives. 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.440 I think it's really realistic, and I think I think 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.080 people were more into it, and even I was and 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.800 teared up because it's her performance. 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.240 I agree, she's a great actress. 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.080 I just thought, like the character like this woman, Like 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:30.080 I thought she was going to be like make a change. 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.439 Like I just thought she was going to be like 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.240 I love that, I love you guys, but like this 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.640 is my last trip with you, like or something like that, 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.119 Like I can't just keep being on these trips with 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.399 you where I feel like shit the entire time, you know, 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.439 Like I you know, I thought that that was going 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.560 to be her character led me to believe that there 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:48.960 was going to be a different outcome, and I guess 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.800 I was a little bit disappointed. Obviously all were killer 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.360 like Leslie bay Aboud, watch what happens? 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.480 She was saying. He and he asked, like do you 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.840 think these women? Do you think Kate likes these women? 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.119 And she goes, yeah, it's like all she has Like 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.200 to her, it's this real friendship, like she does love them, 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.080 you know, And I feel like that might be somebody 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.479 that's real. But like that trip wasn't fun. I am 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:16.119 glad she at least said she was sad during the 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.400 trip because the other two saying, well, how much fun 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.520 they had them like, their trip looks like the least 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.359 fun they had that one like like Leslie Bibb. 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.719 To me, seems like the kind of person her character, 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.800 not her. Kate seems like the kind of person that 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.080 is friends with Jacqueline cacause she's famous and is friends 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.120 with Carrie Kuon because it makes her feel better about 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.800 her life. Like, not that she loves them and that 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.480 loves spending time with them. They have completely different ideals 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.080 from her. They have completely different philosophies. She doesn't really 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.120 like going out and partying and doing like the fun 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.880 stuff that even when they were having fun, she was 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.360 barely having fun, you know, like I don't know that. 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.400 To me, she seems like, well, I gotta go on 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:52.880 this trip to like maintain. 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.560 Because I think she laughs depth. 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:59.040 Yeah, I don't think it's as calculated as you're making 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.600 it seem. I think she just lacks depth or like 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.640 she doesn't know herself. She doesn't go deep with herself, 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:05.960 so why would she go deep with others? 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:06.560 She doesn't. 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.360 Wait, I don't think that she's a surface. I don't 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:10.960 think she would say the things I'm saying. I think 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.800 those are the reasons, though, like I don't think she 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.160 would say it out loud and be like, well, I'm 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:15.560 friends with this girl because she's an actor. But I 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.600 think ultimately that is why she likes hanging out with 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:20.760 Carrie Koon and Jacqueline. 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:21.120 Yeah. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:23.440 The other thing the internet said, I don't really care, 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.440 but what they wanted more of the interaction between Parker 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.000 Posey and like Leslie Bibb in that first episode or 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.360 second episode at the breakfast table. 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.720 So you've obviously been all over the internet, so maybe 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:38.600 you've heard this, but there's there's this theory that Parker 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.560 Posey knows the entire time, She knows about the money 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.480 and all that shit the entire time, and she's already 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.160 moved money to the Caymans because I guess she brings 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.440 up the Caymans a couple of times, and you know, 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.480 the Caymans is where people like launder their money because 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.000 you can't like get it, you can't can't get touched. 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:54.360 By the US. 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.840 And that one of the reasons why, Because to me, 0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:59.959 Parker Posey is the kind of person that even if 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.240 she didn't remember Leslie Bibb's character. She would have gone, oh, 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.320 it's great to see you, you know, like she would 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.600 have still done a little high high high. I mean, 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.640 she's out here partying on boats with guys she thinks 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.360 are disgusting old men, married to two young women. She's 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.160 not exactly like too good for certain people in this 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.560 like on this trip, but she won't give Leslie bib 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.200 the time of day. And I think it's because she's like, 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:22.800 I don't want people to know, like. 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.120 Where we are. That's this a theory. 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.040 This is a theory that she doesn't like getting recognized 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:29.600 because she doesn't want anyone to clock where she is 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.120 because they've already moved money and she's you know, it's. 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.680 A good theory. Yeah, it's interesting. 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.120 I just wonder how if she could have hit it 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:39.360 like that for so long. 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:44.800 I mean, I mean people want bin off. She's sociopathic, Like, yeah. 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.960 The next thing needs to be she's like her, I 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.360 need her post the blow up of what happens. But 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:57.880 oh my gosh. Anyway, let's start right. Okay, We've got 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.080 a great episode for you guys today. 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We're at a concert. 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:40.000 Violin violins and weird shaped guitars, so it's very google bardello, 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.040 fun funky folk vibes. 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.000 I was googling it to see if it was them, Like, 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.840 I was like, this has to be them, but it's not. 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.200 But I thought it was. Yeah, they have more funky. 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.200 There's like an old man there in the band, wildly 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:59.480 bellied dancers. In the bathroom, a woman's putting on lipstick 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.200 and then another woman is kissing her, gives her a 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.280 pill and she's like, oh my god, another one, but 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.760 she takes it. The concert is kicking up, but never mind, 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.880 it's actually intermission. He will be right back this like, 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.600 you know, this weird shape guitar guy and he tells 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.760 the DJ to keep the party going. The lead singer's 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.840 in a striped buttoned down, unbuttoned really giving the boy 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:25.560 in the stripe pajamas and a boiler rim hat, and 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.600 he's approaching this girl who knows him, you know. She's like, oh, 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:33.320 it's Santiago and and then he says like, oh, we're 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.360 always recording. She wants a copy of this concert. She's 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.080 kissing the singer on the dance floor. They're dancing. The 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.520 woman from the bathroom joins in and it's like a 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.840 sexy three way style dance, but she it's actually too 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880 much and she wants to go so and she exits 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.360 the venue. She's shivering. It's nighttime, she's cold, but yeah, 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.840 so she left. They were kind of bummed and they're 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.360 a horny, but they didn't follow her. And then it 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.800 cuts to the daytime and there's a Lulu Lemon mom ass, 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.560 like a real close up of an ass. It's really wild, 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.480 and she has like a ponytail through the back cutout 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.840 of her baseball cap. She has a stroller and she's 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.320 looking for something. She hits up a bridge and she 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.000 sees two teen guys fiddling with a dead or pasted 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.440 out woman. But a woman not moving from the night before, 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.520 and you know, we assume it's the woman. 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:22.560 It's a little boat. 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:27.440 She's in a little rowboat, and the mom calls the cops. 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.480 Benson arrives in a blue trench and straight hair, and 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.640 Tomorrow is there with a tie and information. 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:33.960 The boat. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.360 It's a white Jane Doe, torn clothing, non responsive but alive, 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.440 thank god. Blunt forces, trauma to the head, bite marks 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.719 on breasts disgusting, and then unfortunately we have bruised thighs, 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.840 scrapes on knees, no wallet, no phone, no jewelry, just 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.360 a rowboat outside Gracie mansion. 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.920 And we learned later that's like where the mayor lives. 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.360 So interesting when we got to find out who she 0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:58.920 is and where she floated from. 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.440 So the credits begin. Craigan's on the case. 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.640 He's like, my ears are ringing, Gray c manson, we 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.640 need to move fast. We got to find these two 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.440 teens that were digging in her pockets. So we're going 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:12.920 we have to talk to the jogger mom. We have 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.440 a classic trench rollins bench and a scrunched up face 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.480 fin and then Mom is like, oh, those boys wouldn't 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.200 have attacked her. And Ronind's goes those boys you know them, 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.480 and she goes, well, no, but I see them. I 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.600 mean I sort of know them. Okay, bitch, it's like 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.359 you're covering for something. There's a dead woman kident out 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.080 really but like, let's go. She's like, well, my husband 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:33.800 will kill me, and Rollins says like, are you fucking 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.200 these teens? And she's like, no, no, no, no. I 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:37.920 was there to meet one of the boys, Jasper, to 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.560 buy pills. I just buy pills off the teen adderall. 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.719 She meets him before and after school, but now she 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:45.520 has to leave to go to baby yoga, and Finn 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.080 is like, you're not going to baby yoga, Okay, you're 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.600 staying right here. Omaro is back with Benson and Craigan 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.680 and he's like, you know, I mean dressed like that, 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.960 it could be a working girl, and Benson responds, you 0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:00.239 should get out more. Everyone dresses like that. So yeah, 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.560 I like that. She put him in his place slutshaming. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.480 But we got to go to the hospital for when 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.040 she wakes up, we see her tube in the neck. 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:08.239 It's a lot not good. 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.000 Her princes aren't in the system, and nobody with her 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.680 description has been reported missing in the last forty eight hours. 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:14.960 Warner arrives. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.600 She says it's for sure a sexual assault, and Omar 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.879 I was like, wow, okay, Warner's working fast, and Benson's like, yeah, 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.080 there's a half naked woman. So she washed up in 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.719 the Mayor's mansion. Everyone's working a little bit fast. Melinda's 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.759 in a suit, which I don't know. I just need 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.719 her in a morg outfit. I really don't like her 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:34.719 outside the morgue. It makes me uncomfortable. And she had 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.080 a pop like a lip color. I wonder if she 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.240 came from court, you know what I mean. It seems 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.400 like she was doing something else and was brought to 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.120 immediately do this case. But no good news from her, 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.040 you know, coma. The pressure from the head wound is increasing. 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.719 She was hit with a wooden object. There were splinters 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.560 in her head. There's no sign of chronic drug use, 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.160 but she did have MDMA and liquor in her system, 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.959 so she could have been partying or drugged or something else. 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.360 We you know, we have to do some investigative work. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.480 Melinda adds that she has stainless steel stitching for an 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.520 old hernia, and that's not common in the us, so 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.880 she has to be from somewhere else and Amaro's like 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.879 third world and she's like, no, she has a dentistry done, 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.759 so it's first world. So just specifics there, I don't know, okay, 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.319 And she goes in one more thing. She's at least 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.560 had two children, and so we got to find her 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.840 next of kids. She's like, you guys need to get moving. 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.839 It's a big center precinct meeting. They have nothing. It's 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.600 been eight hours and nothing, but it's about to be 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.640 three pm, which means school's letting out, So let's find 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.360 these pill teens. We have leggings mom with Finn watching 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.160 from afar and Rollins is posing as another mom and she, 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:46.799 you know, she finds a way to flirt with these 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.640 teens and is desperate for drugs. 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:50.560 This is so of the time. 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:54.120 I feel like Desperate Housewives did, like a whole storyline 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:55.360 about how. 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:58.239 What's her fucking name? 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.400 The actress who the city Huffman, Felicity Huffman's character like 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.200 is abusing her children's adderall and stuff like that. 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.960 This just feels very of this exact time period. So 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:08.600 I've never. 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.000 Watched the show, but for some reason, my YouTube shorts. 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.480 Algorithm is just clips from house Gray's Anatomy, other medical shows, 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:21.080 nine shows. I've never seen any actor from and Desperate 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:26.400 House Desperate Housewives, And my question is it's only mostly 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.719 Able Longoria. But it was her character just out of 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.240 her mind. She was just like shopping and crazy and just. 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:37.200 Like like a complete cartoon character person. Yeah, like cheating 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.600 on her husband from the minute it started, but then 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.160 like yeah, also spending his money crazy, Like yeah, she's 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.920 a full cartoon character person. But I think it's like 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.279 going off the algorithm that you like Housewives, so you 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.560 might like Desperate Like you know, you might like Dust, 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.560 Women who Kill or Why Women Kale shows up like 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:54.839 and then you watch SVU, so you might like nine 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.480 one one and all these other like procedurals. I guess 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.640 maybe speaking of medical dramas, everybody is telling me that 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:06.640 the Pit. Everybody loves the Pit. I gotta watch the Pit. Well, 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.840 you know, you are issuing the pit though for I 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.960 heard it's a different concept though, Like the concept of 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.040 the pit, which I didn't know is that it's it's 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.319 twenty four hours or twelve hours in an ear, but 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.279 like it's it's so it's like more like the show 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:26.200 twenty four but in an er you know, yeah you can't. 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.000 Yeah yeah, I mean it's like you because they have 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.640 Noah Wyley. Again, I don't know, I don't know what 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:32.920 the lawsuit's about, but I love how in this scene. 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.360 Also in this episode, like they just put Rollins in 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.320 the exact same outfit as the woman that was adderall shopping, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.120 Like they just have her in like same, like she's 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:41.200 in like a Yankee hat. 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:42.960 But that's what it's like. I had. 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.719 I brought a friend to soul cycle and they were like, 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.040 oh my god, everyone looks the same. 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:53.200 I got yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in Lulru's but whatever. 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:57.680 Rollin's arrests Jasper immediately. The other one tries to run 0:38:57.800 --> 0:38:59.840 and Finn runs right into him and where it's me 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.360 room bars. Quickly, Finn and Rollins are with gray Hoodie, 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.000 which is non Jasper, and he's like, no, it's not drugs, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.719 it's prescription, and they're like, babe, it's a controlled substance. 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.480 Like we're not blaming semantics here, we're in cement room bars. 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.280 This is serious. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.160 He blames Jasper for everything we cut tomorrow and Benson 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.080 with him and he puts this all on Todd and 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.839 you know, and then he goes old money. So this guy, 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.640 I guess is old money. And Benson's like, oh, so 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.840 you just do whatever the rich boy says. And he 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.040 told you to rape the woman and he's no, no, no, 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.879 no no. We saw him floating. Todd wanted to check 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.200 her pockets, so I don't know, there must be making 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.879 a comment about old money and picking for pockets, like 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.400 you're rich, what are you doing? You're old money? Like 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.200 why are you checking a body? 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:45.360 Yeah? 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.719 So we cut Yeah, why would you go to a 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.040 boy I just can't even imagine. I can't understand this 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.160 at all, rich or not rich? Why are you diddling 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.200 with a dead person brant or breathing slowly? 0:39:58.360 --> 0:39:58.800 So whatever? 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.600 We cut to the white boy rich and he's like, 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.840 do I look like a drug dealer? Because Jasper's black, 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.400 So he's doing that now. So he's a terrible friend 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.560 on top of all of this. And fing goes, no, 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.960 but you do look like a fucking rapist, and he 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.160 gets nervous and he's like, whatever, I just wanted to 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.680 go through her pocket, so I'm a good guy. And 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.239 he took lipstick and loose change and he was gonna 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.520 give it to his mother, Like, what the fuck is 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.719 going on with this guy? Whatever, But they did find 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.240 a key card for a hotel. Okay, we got somewhere, 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.440 so we're going to the Times Square Motor Lodge. 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:30.279 We go to the room. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.000 The hotel manager is nervous and annoying and asking questions. 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.400 This actor did a great job, but like he's just 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:39.000 concerned about the wrong things and he's annoying the shit 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.440 out of Benson, and they're like, go get the security 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.880 footage and phone logs, you dumb bitch. And they go 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.400 into the room. Amaro and Benson enter. They're like, this 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.880 place is a mess. This must have been ransacked. But 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.320 I'm like, this is how I live my life in 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.680 hotels too. I was like, this looks totally normal, honestly. 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.560 But then I do see that the lamp is knocked over, 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.960 so that does give a ransack clue. They put their 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.640 gloves on, they're ready to work. She's been shopping, they're 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.080 sexy clothing. There was all this cash left, but not 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.560 a robbery. Canadian passport is in the hotel safe. Her 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.000 name is Ariel Randolph and she came to the country 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.640 four days ago. There is a tablet power cord and 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.239 an iPhone charger, but no phone and no calls from 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.560 the landline. So they're at an office computer going through 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.920 her online activity and Benson's annoyed at this hotel manager 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.359 trying to meddle and she screams it here, get out 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.799 of here now. Little guy in the suit runs out 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.600 and they're in the eye class whatever. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:33.600 They're doing fake stuff. 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.040 They're saying MP three's this is definitely a season fourteen. 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.520 But they're going through her photos and Facebook. There's music 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.320 tagged places. They also find the security frontage and someone 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.440 five hours after she was found was in there, but 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.279 he's dressed for surveillance cameras, so he's fully hidden and 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.680 he knew how to hide. But she did do video 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.200 chats twice a day to the same numbers, so they 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.600 call the number and uh oh, like a Sun answers 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.440 and he's like, where's my mom And she introduces herself 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.680 and then another smaller boy pops on the screen and 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.480 Amaro and Benson are sad this is happening. So it's 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.960 Ariel Randolph, thirty two from Edmonton. I have performed in 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.200 them all there a few times she's a music blogger 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:19.440 and podcast host. Okay, and the husband is Matt Randolph, 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:24.600 fifty five, local celebrity in Western Canada, so kind of 0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:28.919 a thrill. He's the host of a TV show called 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.400 Canadian Days and Nights. They have two sons, Wayne and Grant, 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.960 ten and twelve, and she's a married mother of two. 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.040 What was she doing alone in the city, Craigan asks, 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.120 like so backwards, like a woman can't take a trip, 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.240 and Finn says, I guess, I guess it wasn't socially 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.040 acceptable in twenty fourteen to take a trip. Finn says 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.440 she was here to do podcasts. It was the Karen 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.560 Avasi whatever, I don't give a fuck World Music Festival. 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.239 She has dozens of MP threes of different bands that 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.799 were all at the fest, and they heard from her 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.000 the morning before she went missing. She was gonna pack 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.080 and edit her podcast, but instead she decided to go out. 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.080 Her husband seemed out of the dark about her party 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.880 life and is confused because she's like a pta person 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.439 and loves crafts. Finn goes, well, she's into something more 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:20.200 than fiddles and accordions. Amara's like the hotel manager said, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:24.040 she got two keys, Like, that's a clue. That's like 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.080 when they find why classes, I'm like, I always get 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.000 too because if I lose one or I leave what, like, 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.920 what are we talking about? Rollins is looking through the 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.240 phone records and multiple calls to several different phone numbers, 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.480 So we're gonna track the numbers. Kragan's like, her family 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.840 arrives in six hours, and I want to have answers 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:41.920 for them. So we go to the home of Phil 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.400 d'sapio in Brooklyn. He's holding a box and you know, 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.600 she called this man multiple times and he's editing her 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.040 podcast and he's like shocked at what happened. He has 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:56.080 a girlfriend, everything was professional. He's like, I don't think 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.880 she like came to town to hook up with a sound engineer. 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.799 And he can't, Casey, I thought of you, And he 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.560 can't really like pinpoint where exactly he was he or 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.040 where anyone was He's like, there's a couple dozen shows 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.200 in the city, back to back. 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:14.279 It's a whole worldwide festival. It could be anybody. He says, 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.360 I don't mean to seem rude, but she seemed like 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.000 a groupie in search of a group. So now we're 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.440 suddenly at PS twenty seven in a school talking to 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.399 a principal guy and he's like, yeah, another parent gave 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.280 him the number to me. She had a lot of questions. 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:27.959 She was thinking about moving here and putting her sons 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.400 at the school. Finn and Rollins dropped that she is 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.000 in a Koma now and the guy puts it all 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.120 together with the Gracie mansion case he saw on the 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.200 news and he is shocked it's her as well. 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.840 He's like that, we've met. She seemed sweet. 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.720 He knows nothing else except that she worked for music 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.719 and didn't even tell him why she was thinking of 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.239 a movie. She she just but she did only talk 0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.960 about her sons, not her husband, not once. So Amorrow 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.200 meets with Benson in the morgue like fuck, we are 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.759 zero and five. No one knew what she was up to, 0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.480 and Melinda walks in with some science. So the DNA 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:01.799 match does it match the teens, which duh, we didn't 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.640 think they like bit her breasts and there's no semen 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.439 but saliva and then the bite marks for one male, 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.560 then more saliva from another male on her neck, and 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.560 then DNA under her fingernails from a third male. So 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:17.279 this night is getting worse and worse. Three assailants or 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.799 is some of it party saliva. You know she did 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.280 come to New York City to party party saliva. 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:24.560 Hugely possible. 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.840 Yeah, so you know, from the outfits to the plans, 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:29.759 she wants to you know, have a good time. 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:30.319 But Ring Ring. 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.920 The family's on the way to the hospital. They have 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.480 to go talk to the husband. So Benson and Tomorrow 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.440 meet the family in the hallway. The boys are sweet, 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:41.040 and the dad we actually know it's actor Richard Thomas 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.120 who was in the episode Scorge Scourge. Yeah, he had 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:50.200 syphilis brain raw and been working since the Waltons and so, 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.160 and now he's here. The boys go to see their 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:57.239 mother and Benson holds the husband back and explains, like, 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.440 just heads up, she's very badly her but they want 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:01.839 to go. Everyone wants to go. So they go into 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.480 the room and everyone is shocked because you know, it's 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.320 it's tough and it's an emotional moment for the family, 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.239 and they try talking to her. 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:10.600 The little boy as a bowl cut. 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.880 Benson feels for everybody, and now we're in the cafeteria 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.000 has been in Tomorrow. It's a dire situation. The brain 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.320 pressure the rape. It's all a lot, and Amaro's like, well, 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:21.759 you know, does she know anyone here? 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:22.719 Was she in contact? 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.800 And He's like you don't you think it's someone she knows, 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.880 like to me, not a stranger, Like I can't imagine that. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:30.480 And Amaro's like, well, did you know what she was 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.120 doing here? Any details? He's like, no, she was just 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.680 gonna go to concerts. And every time we video conference, 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.640 we mostly talked about the boys. Omaros asks if they 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.799 were on good terms and he hesitates, but then he 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.400 does answer yes, and he's like, well, this is what 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.480 she called an adventure. She wanted to go on an 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.680 adventure and it's her first adventure. And then tomorrow like 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.400 such a patriarchy. Bro as like and you were okay 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.680 with that? And he's like no, to be honest, I 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:56.799 wasn't thrilled. But the boys are older and Ariel gave 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.840 up a lot on her dreams to start a family, 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:01.880 so this was important to her in her career. Benson 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.200 and Rollins are the stuffed animals in the gift shop 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.600 with the boys, and Rollins talks to the little boy 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.080 and Benson is grilling the older boy. JK is just 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.239 like talking about the trip, and the boy said she 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:13.920 wanted them to see the world, and that he that 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.320 she had mentioned moving to New York and wanted to 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:17.560 give him a life that was more fun than the 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:19.760 one she had and to meet different types of people. 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.480 And then he picks up like a New York post 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:24.640 what do they call it, the ledger of the New 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.400 York Ledger Ledger, Yeah, and the headline is about his 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.919 mom and it says coma vic partied hard devastating. 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:32.120 He's like, is this true? 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:34.640 And Benson's like, they're just trying to sell papers, like 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:36.799 you know who your mom is, don't let anyone fuck 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.960 with you. And oh my god, who do we see 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.600 at the hospital gift shop? The sound engineer, So you 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:44.719 know he's startled by seeing the detectives. 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.640 Can I just say the sound engineer's name is Phil 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.440 Disapio And did that sound familiar to you at all? 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:55.160 Because Kim Rollin's lawyer is named Lorenzo D'sapio. 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:56.959 Oh my god, And. 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:58.879 I looked it up and it's the same last name, 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:03.080 just there's an extra he and Lorenzo D'sapio, And I'm like, 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.440 why are you using the name D'sapio? Twice in the 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:10.000 same season, like is there something, is there some dysapio, 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:12.880 Like you gotta get that name in Like it's just 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.320 because they say the guy's name a bunch of times, 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.640 like Rollins keeps, I mean live keeps being like phill 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.040 Dasapio and it's like I because I always remember it 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.000 because Kim was always like, well, mister D'sapio says I 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:28.000 could do this, you know, like she's always she starts 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.640 fucking dating him, you know, she's like a little Casey Anthony. 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:35.040 Yeah, damn, I did not catch that. That's really funny. 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.000 It's just a wild last name, like it's not like 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:37.480 it's Smith. 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:37.840 Anyway. 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.560 I wonder if it was like an inside joke in 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.880 the writer's room, like a shout out to some baby 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.760 being born or something like I wonder or some twins 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:47.520 because that I didn't realize. 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:48.200 Same season. 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.920 Yeah, but anyways, the sound engineer wanted to see Ariel. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:56.680 He has flowers, nobody likes him, no one likes his energy. 0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.720 Rollins goes family only and so the hands off the flowers. 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.799 He's not gonna fight this, and he leaves Amorrow's with 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:05.680 the dad who's like, she does not dress like this 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.439 in Canada, you know, like she got these clothes here 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.759 and the husband saying I'm down with all this. And 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:12.719 finally Amorro's like, well, we saw the emails and we 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.279 knew you were upset. So and he goes, I know, 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.239 I just didn't want to sound like a jealous old man. 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.360 And Amorro's like, no, I get it. I'm a jealous 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:20.960 guy too, and he goes, and I'm an old man, 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.880 so it all makes sense. But yeah, when you marry 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:25.960 someone older, that is what they don't tell you. That's 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.439 what they don't tell you. You will have to take 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:31.640 care of an old person. And you're not old. You 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.640 want to keep going out and they don't have energy. 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.319 So yeah, and. 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.600 She's thirty two, like she has like a one of 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.120 those kids is like ten, I think, so like she 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.399 started early, Like this guy got her young way. 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.080 He's like famous, but a celebrity in Edmonton. You know, 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:45.759 what are you gonna do? 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.920 Blinded by the glitz and glamour of Western Canada. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.560 Yeah, Like I saw a TikTok that some people it's 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.399 like called a hospice wife. Like once dudes hit fifty something, 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:58.200 they're like, oh, I need to go find someone to take. 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.760 Care of me. Oh yeah, dangerous. Don't do it. Don't 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:02.120 do it. 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.839 That's like the last episode of White Loveists where she's like, 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.120 I can get you a different man. Why are you 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:14.360 with him? I know, I mean perker Posy is so 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.200 good and funny. I like right now people that questioned 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.279 her accent, like people in North Carolina are giving postits 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.040 of the sayings to people they know, and they sound 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:24.680 exactly like they gnaw me. 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.239 Yeah, like they do sound wild down there. 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:30.319 I also liked her like we need Jesus to help 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.719 her from Buddhism, and it's like, in the name of 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.680 Jesus has done worse things for our planet and humanity 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:42.600 than I don't. I haven't heard of one Buddhist bad time. Yeah, 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:46.320 I really are Buddhists out there starting wars. 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.759 Note for more Land, they're not. They're not because it's 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.160 no violence. It's not don't commit violence in the name 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.080 of Buddha. You're not supposed to commit violence in the 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:54.920 name of Jesus either, but no one listens to that. 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.359 You know, Okay, we're back. She married an old man. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:01.080 He's like, you know, she should have friends her own 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.080 age and he's like, Okay, do you know any of them? 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:05.680 And he starts going through photos and he does recognize 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.080 one of the musicians in the photos. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.480 he came to Edmonton last year. She went to the concert. 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.640 We go to Santiago morales Is Loft. It's very artsy. 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.640 We're in Queen's Rollin's and Finn are on the case. 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.120 Knock knock, shirtless guy opens the door. He doesn't want 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.799 to let them in, and Finn is just like, we 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.319 don't care that it smells like weed. 0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:28.120 Let us in. So they're in red walls. 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.480 There's drums and he's like, yeah, she interviewed me for 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.680 something and then came to one of my shows. 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.759 That's it. And there's another knock on the door. 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.960 Finn opens it and it's the woman from the concert 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.720 that from the start of the episode. Then Rollins removes 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.440 the wig and it's actually mister Landry from PS. Twenty seven, 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.560 so wow. And then Finn goes small world. 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.480 This is like a wild reveal because like, yeah, I 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.839 saw the woman in the beginning, like dancing, I saw 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.359 them walk in and go are you ready to go? 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.440 I didn't even I didn't clock that it was the 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.920 guy from PS twenty seven. I mean, I didn't meet 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.080 him in real life, Rollins did, but she like just 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.600 grabs that that wig snatch is wild. 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.120 Yeah, it's like a really good twist. And he's like, 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.400 it's not what you think and Finn's like, yeah, I 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:15.840 got that. 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:18.719 I couldn't have thought this up. 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.879 So there's a stare off, there's tense music, and we're 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:28.160 at corkboard time. So Santiago has Ariel's iPad in the 0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.319 loft with the photos from that night and he's like, well, 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.640 she loaned it to me, which no one believes, and 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.439 that makes absolutely no sense. And Craigan's trying to push 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.240 this crime on the father and Omar was like, Craigan, 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.320 you need to sit down and take a break because 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.640 he was in Canada the whole time and he's holding. 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.200 On by a thread. Okay, So who is this Charles 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:47.719 Landry guy? You know what I mean? 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.680 They say he's married straight, but like s the party 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.920 in women's clothes and the DNA is a match to 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.080 the saliva found on the neck, which we know because 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.000 we saw them, you know, him kissing the neck earlier 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.160 in the show. We saw them getting close okay. So 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:04.920 Finn and Tomorrow are with the musician guy and he's like, listen, 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:06.799 I went to get the iPad because once I saw 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.680 the story on the news, I couldn't let these photos 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.160 get out for Charlie's sake. They are cousins. He has 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.040 a wife and a daughter and okay, so cousins that 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:16.920 do what. And he's like, listen, we've been doing this 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:20.920 since we were kids. And they're like okay. So he 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.279 had a concert that night in Astoria and then they 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.680 they show the crime photos. He's like, I had nothing 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:28.480 to do with that. She left before we did, and 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.520 Omar I was like, well, she was having so much fun, 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.520 why did she leave? And he's like, yeah, she panicks. 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.520 You know, she found out about Charlie. But we didn't 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:37.040 see her find out about Charlie. 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.319 Yeah, it seemed like she was just like Okay, I think, 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.080 like hooking up with two people on her dance floors 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:44.000 maybe too much for me. 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:45.760 And I'm like a mom of two and I'm married, 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:46.359 and she just. 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.160 Like left, you know, yeah, we need proof she left 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.840 without you. And he's like, oh, well, we got another girl. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.600 And so they found another girl quick. Her name's Gabriella. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.520 Then they say that they went back to her place, 0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.560 and he's like, if my school or wife find out 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.280 about the Yeah, they're doing like the back and forth 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:03.560 between musician guy and you know Charlie. 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.919 So they're going back to two cousins just meet women 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:08.000 and hook up with them together. 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.680 Interesting while one of them's in women's closed. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.439 Yeah, yeah, it is weird, and I like the they're 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.480 really like brushing over the cousins of it all, like yeah, 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.200 as it being more normal than it is. But Charlie's like, 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.040 if my school or wife find out my life is 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.880 over and rollins and Benson like, okay, well, then be 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:26.759 honest with us. He's like, okay, well we all met 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:29.439 at the FOD lounge and he also has the same 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.160 iPad story of like we needed those photos. 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:34.600 He is shocked about the brain bashing. 0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:37.719 He swear, he swears he didn't do this, and he's like, 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:39.839 maybe we pushed her too much and out of her 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.560 comfort zone and I apologize and that sets Benson off 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.239 and she goes apologize for what and he's like, when 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.239 she realized I wasn't who I said I was, and 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.440 you know, she felt betrayed, and they let her go, 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.879 and he's like, well, I can't run in heels, because 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:54.439 they're like, why would you let her just run off 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.640 like that and distress and he's he can't, you know, 0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:00.640 he's not that good in heels. So another team and 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:02.840 these guys are telling the truth. They have footage of 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.719 her leaving alone that night, right after midnight in Astoria. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.279 So we need science to help figure out like how 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.799 she was washed ashore, and Finn has a science friend 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:12.640 just standing there. 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:17.120 I don't know, very lucky, his rope guy. He's referenced 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.480 this man before. Oh, his rope guy, which is so funny. 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.560 And CSU calls him the renaissance man. So he has 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.120 a lot of different little skills and trades. And he 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.600 starts talking tides and I stop listening, you know, water paths. 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:31.560 I don't know what to tell you. 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.919 But we get to where she was probably dropped off 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:38.319 into the boat, and they searched surveillance video around there, 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.319 and there's a car following behind her and oh, I 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.920 think we know that truck. We just saw that fucking 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:47.120 truck and a drum roll, it's the sound engineer. So 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.160 they're like, you fucking lie to us, and you better 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.359 start talking. We're in cement room bars duh with Finn 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.239 and Rollins and he's like, I thought it would look 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.359 bad and it's like, yeah, picking her up at night 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.120 the night she was assaulted, for sure looks bad. If 0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.160 it was just a ride, why wouldn't you just tell 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.160 us the truth? He blames his jealous girlfriend and they're like, well, 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:06.120 why did you go to the hospital. 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:07.239 He's like, I wanted to see if she. 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.000 Was okay, and they're like what to finish the job 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.359 and he's like, I did not hurt her. So they 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.920 bring up that they have DNA evidence from scratch marks, 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.239 and you could see he gets squirmy, and so then 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.680 they pull up his sleeves and there's scratch marks there 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.359 and they go, oh, so she fucking scratched you. He goes, 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:25.040 it's a misunderstanding. I was helping her. I mean, this 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.160 motherfucker's guilty. And he says, well, I just took her 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:31.080 out to a diner t e. And they're like, oh, 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.040 the location right by the rowboats, bro, And he's like, no, 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.120 I promise we just ate and he's like then, why 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.480 did she scratch you? And he sighs. He says, all 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.840 I did was try to kiss her. Then she wanted, 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.240 I mean, why is your girlfriend jealous? 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.560 I wonder why you're a jealous girlfriend, because you're randomly 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:47.400 kissing girls. 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:49.200 Then she wanted to go to the river, and he 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.279 tried to stop her, and she pushed him away and 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.120 scratched him and then went into the park. 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:55.440 He goes, listen, there's going to be no saliva. 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:57.439 She said, no, I just didn't want to go into 0:56:57.440 --> 0:56:59.400 the park at night, and she ran off without me. 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.600 I didn't do anything bad. And now he's invoking his rights. 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.000 He wants a lawyer, and that obviously makes you look 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.520 even worse. So they leave the room. But it is 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.160 something we should all be doing. So they have a 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.040 full team meeting and they're trying to figure out if 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:13.600 he did it or not. And you know, him lying 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:15.319 is a big red flag, but we need some more 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.680 evidence or witnesses. So they asked the husband about this man, 0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.760 and all he knows from the wife is that he's 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.160 a good engineer. And they're still trying to piece it 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.600 all together. The boys are sleeping on the chairs and 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.320 like you know, while they chat in the hallway, and 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.520 he really can't handle much more. This husband's had a 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:33.680 tough day and he just wants to meet with his sons. 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.720 So we're in the hospital bed. They're just like, why 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:38.680 won't she wake up? 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:39.200 Damn? 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.840 And then he goes the tabloids have been so mean 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:45.080 and crazy about her. It's a mess. And now we 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:47.680 have security footage from the diner and they sat there 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.680 for over an hour meal, talking whatever, and then as 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.120 they exit the diner, there's fuck a long haired man 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.600 standing by the diner who looks like he is homeless, 0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:00.560 and maybe it's him, but she hands him food, and 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:02.520 then we also see the truck, but we don't have 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.840 footage that we're getting back into the truck or him 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:05.520 at the rowboat. 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.120 So what are we going to do next? 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.840 So suddenly we go talk to this sex worker with 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.200 one fake leg and she's from the Steve episode of 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.880 Sex and the City if you remember her. She has 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.640 red hair and a limp, and they're asking her for 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.040 help and they're like, do you know this guy? And 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.280 she does and they're canvassing the park and there's a 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.800 different man who lives in the park and he has 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.960 this one of her scarves and. 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:29.280 They're like, how you have this? 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:31.480 And he goes, oh, this he helds for a different 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:35.000 park resident, and he's like, this guy gave it to me. 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:38.440 And then the homeless man from the diner turns around, 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:42.840 sees you know, the cops are there, throws a garbage 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.040 bag at them and starts running. They don't have a 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.640 hard time catching him. He's not moving fast and they're like, 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:50.920 where did you get this scarf? He goes, I didn't 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:54.040 do nothing. He has hippie beads. He's a big guy, beard, 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:55.960 long hair. He lives in the park because he has 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:58.480 nowhere else to go, and now he's in custody and 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.160 Benson goes, yeah, because he's a level three sex offender. 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:04.240 So Phil's story checks out. The homeless man matches the 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.160 dental records and the DNA match. There's evidence all over 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.720 his clothing. He also had her phone, purse and an 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:13.280 ore with her blood in his tent. So now they 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:15.120 have to tell the family that it was just I 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.880 don't know if I mean, but the husband is really upset, 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.960 but even more upset all these crazy party headlines when 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:23.480 it was just her being kind to the wrong stranger. 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.000 And he said she always told the boys they were 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.520 blessed and we should always take care of those who 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:33.200 don't have what we do. The boys run and screaming, Dad, Dad, Dad, 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:36.120 and they all run into the hospital room and I 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:38.080 was like, so hopeful she was going to wake up, 0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:39.800 but sadly she is dead. I know. 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:41.800 I thought it was like she was gonna blink awake, 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:43.640 and that's not the story. 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.560 Yeah, So the husband thinks that she held on until 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.760 they caught the right man, and they're having a really 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.960 hard time as a family. But on her phone they 0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:54.240 find video messages to her family. 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.040 So it's her walking by the water. It's a late 0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:58.919 night and it's just a video chat. 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:00.440 She goes, I know it's late, I'll at two in 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:03.360 the morning, but everything's fresh in my brain. I just 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.200 wanted to thank you for trusting me to take this 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.280 trip on my own. She's like, you're such a good 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:10.640 man and good father and I was always love you, 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.040 and he smiles. He has tears in his eyes. So 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.280 there's a section for the boys, so Wayne and Grant 1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:18.400 come in and she says, boys, I'm coming home tomorrow night. 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:20.520 I've had a great time, but I can't wait to 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:22.240 see you. And I realize being your mom is the 1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:24.720 greatest adventure I want to have and I miss you 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:26.240 so much and I love you and I can't wait 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:29.040 to see you again. And listen to your dad good night, 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:31.000 sleep tight, and I'll see you in my dreams. And 1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:35.400 the family sits at the video and Tomorrow and Benson 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.440 are crying behind them, and then that's stick. 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:41.000 Well baby, I got tears. I teared up at this 1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:41.920 end message. 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:46.320 It was so sad, so sad, such a sad up 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.360 And guess what the sadness is going to keep on 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:53.320 coming because this is very much based on a real 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:54.840 thing that happened. 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:57.000 Our podcast Sadness guaranteed. 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:08.520 This episode is based pretty closely on this case that 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:12.560 happened in twenty thirteen, like five months before this episode 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:13.200 came out. 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:15.800 Some news reports are calling her Sarai. 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:19.200 But if I think in if it's she has a 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:20.880 Latin background, then it's Sarai. 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:22.160 So I think she's Sarai. 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.000 Sierra, who was a thirty three year old mother of 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:29.560 two sons from Staten Island who was visiting Turkey. She 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:31.160 was in other parts of Europe as well, but she 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:33.800 was in Turkey and January of twenty thirteen by herself. 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.960 This was her first trip ever abroad, and she was 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.360 doing it to practice photography, which had become a hobby 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.360 of her. She'd also gone back to school and was 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.640 like in between, she scheduled this in between semesters. So 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:48.120 this is like a girl that's like, you know, out 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.960 there trying to live her dreams. Since it was her 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.040 first time out of the US. She kept in touch 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:56.880 with her family back home through text, video chat, always 1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:00.280 updating them about her plans. And then she was walking 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:03.520 near the old city walls in Istanbul on January twenty 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:08.320 first when she vanished, Like the last security footage they 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.120 had of her was her like at a food court 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:12.680 at a mall. And then she was supposed to return 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:14.560 home to the US the next day, and she had 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:18.760 sent her family texts and photos beforehand, and had sent 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:20.920 her you know, I think her sister a text being 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.320 like coming home tomorrow, smiley face, like she was excited 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:27.080 to come home with her family. Missing persons cases in Turkey, 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:30.000 I guess are pretty rare, So her case was given 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:31.640 a lot of attention and was gaining a lot of 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.640 media attention as well, especially because she's like an American 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:38.560 tourist by herself, and of course much like in this episode, 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:41.920 the trash media, like the New York Post was posting 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.120 stuff about her having sex with a lover in a 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.480 bathroom before her disappearance. But they're like the only source 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:51.000 that has that, and they're definitely trying to sell newspapers, 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:54.040 like Olivia says in the episode, and they're there's just 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:56.080 like no one else was reporting that, Like no one 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.800 else was like, oh, and there's rumors that like she was, 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.560 you know, having like was there to meet a paramour 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.440 or anything like that. Only the gorgeous reporting of the 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:09.440 New York Post has that Turkish and American authorities worked together. 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.840 There were hundreds of investigators examining all the surveillance footage 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:15.280 trying to build up a timeline of her movements, but 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.560 they still didn't really have any good leads. All her belongings, 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:21.480 including like all her clothes, her passport, medical cards, were 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.680 found in her room in the hostel she was staying at, 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:29.920 and then police were even questioning a several people, including 1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:33.120 there was a local man much like Phil DeSapio, who 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:35.360 said that he was supposed to meet up with Sierra 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:37.720 that day, but she never showed up to the meeting 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.680 they had scheduled so that might have been like where 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:42.960 they were like, oh, her lover, she was meeting a lover, 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:44.480 but it was just like this guy she was supposed 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:47.040 to meet up with. I think through photography it doesn't 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:48.960 really say why, but he was completely cleared like he 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.840 had nothing to do with anything. And then unfortunately they 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:55.360 did find her body, but not for two weeks February second. 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.640 This is after her husband and her brother have now 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.000 flown to Turkey to try to move the investigation alone. 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:03.360 Her body is found near some ancient ruins on a highway. 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.120 She's found in the same exact clothes she was seen 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:09.360 wearing in that food court surveillance footage the day she disappeared, 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.040 and she'd been killed by a fatal blow to the head, 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:16.560 much like in the episode. By March of twenty eighteen, 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:20.040 the Turkish authorities had identified a suspect and charged him 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:24.600 with Sierra's murder. His name was Zaya Tasali, aged forty six, 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:28.200 a local homeless man with a prior record for burglary 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:32.360 and weapons charges. He tried to flee to Syria when 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:34.760 the case started to get a ton of media attention 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:38.560 and international attention, but he was apprehended on the Turkish border. 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:42.120 He eventually told authorities that what happened was he tried 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:45.760 to kiss Sierra. And this is kind of where the 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:48.840 episode is blending the story of what happened with Phil 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:51.120 DeSapio and the homeless guy, because this is they both 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.600 happened with this man in the real life story. He 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:56.000 tried to kiss her, she resisted, and then he says, 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:58.600 quote a struggle broke out between the two of us. 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.520 In a statement, He also said Sierra hit him on 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:04.880 his nose with her phone, which bloodied his nose. Then 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.080 he knocked her down. She fought back, hit him in 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:09.400 the head with a rock, and then he said, quote 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:11.760 I got very angry and hit her back twice with 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.760 a stone. I grabbed off the floor end quote. And 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:18.919 then at that point she stopped moving. So the next day, 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.400 this man tasally returned to the crime scene. He actually 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:25.240 covered her body with blankets. He also threw her phone 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:28.480 and her iPad into the ocean, so there's like an 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.640 ip I mean, they took so many details from this case. 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:32.440 There's even like iPad phone stuff. 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:34.760 And he said he did not realize that she was 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:37.200 even a foreigner until he saw all the media attention, 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:42.040 you know, to this missing American tourist. When her body 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:45.960 was discovered, he was only a few yards away, so 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:48.520 he was it happened like kind of near probably where 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.880 he was living or staying, but he was right there 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:54.000 basically when they found her body, and he told prosecutors 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:57.440 that he regretted his crime. And much like in the 1:05:57.520 --> 1:05:59.920 episode where they said that the guy had glue and 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:03.080 bath salts in his tent, to Sally told Turkish News 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:05.480 that he had been sniffing household chemicals to get high 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:09.200 on the day of the killing, and he doesn't remember it, doesn't. 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:09.840 Really remember doing it. 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:14.000 So a year later after her going missing, in January 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:16.640 of twenty fourteen, to Sally was sentenced to life in prison. 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.160 He also received five and a half years for sexual 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.160 assault and two and a half years per theft to 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:25.400 run consecutively to the life sentence, which is, according to Reuters, 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:30.120 so a very sad story that they very much borrowed from. 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:32.160 I mean, she had two young sons, just like this 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:36.040 woman in that, just like Ariel, and was just kind 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:37.960 of trying to go on an adventure by herself. 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:45.080 So sad, so sad, But we have. 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:49.080 A delightful interview to cleanse the palette of sadness, So 1:06:49.240 --> 1:07:00.440 do not go anywhere. Our guest today is a Broadway 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:01.400 Royalty baby. 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:02.400 We started this. 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:04.840 Episode talking about Broadway and we're gonna finish it talking 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:08.560 about Broadway. She originated the Broadway roles of both Barbara 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:12.080 Maitland and Beetlejuice and Penny Pingleton in Hairspray. She can 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:14.920 also be seen on TV shows like American Sports Story, 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.840 Aaron Hernandez and The Gilmore Girls Revival and you know 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:21.200 her best as the Tragic Canadian Podcast. Are just looking 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.880 to have some fun in New York City, Ariel Randolph. 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:27.840 Please enjoy our chat with the wonderful Carrie Butler. So 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:31.160 you were saying that they like you don't think the 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:32.480 makeup is great on the show. 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:38.520 Not that it's not great, it's just that, you know, 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:41.040 I'm used to doing TV shows where like you look, 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:43.560 even though you're a real person, you look like semi glamorous, 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:45.640 and I'm always like, oh, I I gotta do my. 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:48.040 Social media today. I'm looking great. But on. 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.040 Law and Order they specifically said, you know, like, no, 1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:56.160 we can't wipe the mascara from your eyes. You know, 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.440 They're like no, we want, we really want, like hardly 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.560 any make up your hair. I didn't have like a blowout, 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:05.400 you know. It was very kind of like just down 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:06.080 and back and. 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:07.880 Yeah. 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:11.520 Yeah, but even like more natural than most TV shows. 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:16.040 Yeah, because you've done other crime style shows. You are 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:18.599 you saying that Law and Order you is they want 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:20.559 you looking the worst. 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:27.080 Like a blood exactly. I think sometimes those shows they 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:27.840 still want you to. 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:31.200 Look like TV star kind of you know, and Law 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:33.320 and Order they specifically like, no, no, no, no, no, we 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:37.040 can't make you look glamorous. Yeah, I'm like, can't you 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:39.360 just get the circles under my eyes? 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:42.000 I mean, you look caught at the beginning of this episode, 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:44.439 when you're at the concert, you're having fun, you look good. 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:47.240 And then I was I've been on two Law and Orders. 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:49.080 I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:52.720 We're going to talk about both, Yeah, okay, but we're 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:55.040 going to start with talking about. 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:57.280 Uh, that one, that one I was more that one. 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:59.280 I was more glamorous than the second one. 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:01.400 I was a big But then at the end when 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:03.799 you when you have this video message to your children, 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.840 I remember thinking when I was watching it, I was like, 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:09.479 can they just wipe the eyeliner, like what, she looks 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:10.599 like she's been crying. 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:12.960 But you know, I. 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:15.280 Thought I got it because it's like you were on Mollie, 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:19.559 you had this like incredible experience realizing that you loved 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:20.240 your family. 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:24.080 I mean, it's a really sad episode. It's so sad. 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.680 It's really sad. I know, it's so sad. 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:29.960 When I watched your next one and was like, oh, 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.960 it's awesome, worse, it's the worst of all time, I 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:36.640 would say, and I for some reason last season I 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:40.640 never had seen this episode and it was so it 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:43.800 was like probably the worst, one of the worst I 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:46.200 think in the twenty five year history now twenty six year, 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:47.240 but like. 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:51.200 Worst in terms of being the saddest in terms of 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:52.880 it's me for life. 1:09:53.479 --> 1:09:55.479 Yeah, great, great. 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:58.960 The acting was great, everything was really great, but the 1:09:59.000 --> 1:09:59.920 directing amazing. 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:03.559 My stomach was dropped. I was tense the whole time 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:05.599 and just like it really it was really upset. 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:06.920 It really upset me too. 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:08.880 I have two daughters, and I was like, I just 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:10.720 I can't even go there, you know what, I as 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:13.080 an actor, my god, yeah, and I'm like no, no, no, 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:15.640 I'm not gonna go from my personal experience. I'm gonna, like, 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:19.000 you know, just pretend I'm somebody else and in the situation. 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.519 And I was fully tearing up in the in the 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:24.880 video message to the Suns when they're watching it. I 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:27.280 was like, oh my god, I should make a message 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:31.400 for my kids in case I die. Like it was like, so, 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:36.600 oh my god, Oh yeah, great performances, very emotional. So 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:39.679 where did you go because you were very I mean 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:42.200 you were shaken up and it was just like a 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:43.040 great performance. 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.639 So what did you use since you know no real 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:47.439 life do you mean for you mean for the with 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:49.360 the boys or with the second I know. 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:51.160 We're going back and forth. I would say the second 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:52.280 episode is what I'm thinking. 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:55.120 The second episode was the worst because the second episode. 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:58.439 Was Rishka meets you at that bar. Yeah, it was 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:01.120 like you were so fucked up, uh over it? 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:02.479 Yeah. 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:06.240 I kind of rather than thinking about it happening to 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:08.400 my own daughters, I kind of was thinking we were 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:10.200 at the same time, and not to get political, but 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:13.400 it was the things happening to the hostages, and I 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:16.559 could just drop into that, like just imagine, you know, 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:19.080 you're seeing all of these stories about people losing their 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:22.760 families and so it's hitting you on a personal level 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:24.479 just that it's happening, and so I kind of could 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:28.080 draw from that more so than imagining it happening to 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.920 me in real life, right yeah, just like the missing 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:34.479 of a child you know is not well. But yeah, 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:36.840 and like we're all thinking, like we're all worried about it. 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:39.840 We're all like, you know, it's just the worst to 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.840 think about that, and then like not sleeping at night, 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:45.439 and then you know, once as an actor you're in it, 1:11:45.760 --> 1:11:47.120 like I wasn't sleeping a night. 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:49.800 Then, because it's like you can't leave it. I don't 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:52.200 know how Marishka does it, you know, And. 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:55.880 She's so happy on set and she's amazing to be around. 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.200 But to do that all the time, that's what I 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.360 left thinking. I'm like, wow, I admire her so much 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:01.600 that she's commonly. 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:05.920 Just like a compartmentalization queen, right like just can totally maybe. 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:07.679 Like as soon as we as soon as the scenes 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:09.960 were over, she was able to, you know, make jokes, 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:12.599 make us have fun on the set, because otherwise how are. 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:13.240 You going to get through it? 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:19.120 Yeah, those long days and joking with the crew, Yeah damn. 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:24.160 But she also your character in Again the more recent one, 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:26.720 yea detached when she was like, oh, she said she's 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:27.479 at her friend's house. 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:31.679 Yeah, yeah, I think that was That's normal. Yeah, that's 1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:33.760 normal because you just you don't want to go there. 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:37.920 Everything's okay, everything okay. Yeah, course you always you obviously 1:12:37.960 --> 1:12:40.240 think like, oh my god, what happened to her friend? Right, 1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:43.479 you know, you don't think that something could have happened 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:44.479 to your loved one. 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:48.760 But I'm just like children in the park after dark, 1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:49.720 get out of there? 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:51.719 What are you doing? 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:56.439 But also just the what also grabbed me about that 1:12:56.479 --> 1:12:58.120 episode is like what would you do if your friend 1:12:58.120 --> 1:12:59.559 Because in my head I was like I think I'd 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:01.479 run and try to call the police. But then it's 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:04.120 like are you ditching your friend? So do you go 1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:06.439 and try to fight these people? And so that really 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:09.720 made me feel a lot too of like be it 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:13.240 like how much decisions this like scared girl had to 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:14.000 make in the middle. 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:16.360 Of the night. Well, but she was there, she was 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:18.519 held with them, right, so she couldn't go. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:21.800 First she was frozen, like they grabbed one of the 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.599 girls and then the other one stood frozen and then 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:26.040 ran to help her friend. 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:29.559 Yeah, and then she had that really good monologue right 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:33.800 about how she wished that she could do more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:37.240 I think when you're that young too, you know you 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:41.200 it's you're so like frozen and frightened. It was very 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:44.160 believable to me that she wouldn't know what to do 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:47.160 in that situation. And in hindsight, it's so easy I 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:48.160 think for us to be like. 1:13:48.400 --> 1:13:50.519 Just call on one one, you know. And I think 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:52.880 my character did say that too. I'm like, why didn't 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:55.680 you just call on you know? Yeah, like and just 1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:58.320 getting angry at the victim in a way. 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:02.040 And yeah, I do remember that part, and I remember 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:05.439 Mrishka like putting her hand on my That was when 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:08.439 I think those scenes were when my maternal instincts come out. 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:09.840 How you can actually be. 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:12.880 Mad at your daughter for like, you know, you have 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.160 all of this inside, like you're so relieved they're okay, 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:18.800 but you've just been through this trauma and so it 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.639 has to come out somewhere, so you're like, why didn't 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:25.000 you you know? Yeah, and Rishia had that really good 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:27.240 moment where she's like, Okay, calm down, you know. 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:31.960 Yeah, Well, we say on this podcast, there was a 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.920 prosecutor in one of the cases and she said, we 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:40.120 expect people to act normal and abnormal situations, and yeah, 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:41.960 we keep that in our minds all the time of 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.040 like why would yeah, why are you expecting someone act 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:47.679 normal in this like psychotic situation that you should? 1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:51.160 And people we recently talked about how like the four responses. 1:14:51.160 --> 1:14:53.160 We always talk about fight or flight, but there's also 1:14:53.280 --> 1:14:56.840 freeze and fawn. Yeah, and those are like I think 1:14:56.880 --> 1:15:02.360 happen more often than we think too, you know. So yeah, 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:05.320 so this just for the listeners. What is season twenty five, 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:09.600 episode nine called Children of Wolves? Because you know, the 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:12.040 ones that are more recent we haven't seen ten thousand 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:13.800 times like we have the other ones, you know, so 1:15:13.840 --> 1:15:15.360 I just want to make sure everyone in the audience 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:16.479 knows what we're talking about. 1:15:16.600 --> 1:15:20.760 But yeah, like first it was, yeah, I think a 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:22.640 lot of these we've seen a lot, so we're not 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.960 as shocked. But I think I was like really shocked 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:26.120 last night watching it too. 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:28.400 On top of it, and like they are on season 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:30.640 twenty six, and I get that we can't just have 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:33.920 like a totally fresh plot every time, so but this 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:37.839 one is like Children of Wolves is like a combo 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:41.080 of ones we've seen before with wildings or whatever, like 1:15:41.160 --> 1:15:44.040 you know, like guys that attack like as a group. 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:47.160 But then also some of these like hostagey ones we've done. 1:15:47.200 --> 1:15:49.599 It's like a combo of two of the worst kinds 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:52.960 that like give me so much stress. So they really 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:56.800 are still reinventing the genre all the time, just combining 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:58.280 horror horrors. 1:15:58.560 --> 1:15:58.760 Well. 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:02.200 Also, I was also shocked when they had a hiss, 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:05.000 they had a record when later in the episode they're like, 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:08.720 these guys have been doing this for a while. Accept 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:10.479 you because a part of me is like, oh, these 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:15.160 tea like uh, I don't know, like a crazy like 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:16.280 a fucked up teen night. 1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:18.640 But it's like they were cereal rapists. 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:21.880 Yeah, And then I thought about, you know, the young 1:16:21.960 --> 1:16:24.960 girls playing those parts, Like I don't know if you've 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:28.320 had them on, but that's got to be like really 1:16:28.360 --> 1:16:31.320 mentally challenging because those scenes were so hard. 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:34.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, I thought it was so interesting too 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:37.400 how they made you her step mom, but you guys 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:39.559 had this special relationship because you could have just been 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:42.880 playing her mom, you know, like but her step mom 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:44.919 and the dad is gone and you only. 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:45.320 Have each other. 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:48.960 Like it was it was like an interesting like twist 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:53.519 of a relationship. Yeah, but we could go back to 1:16:53.600 --> 1:16:55.200 brief inter brief inure lude. 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:56.240 Brief inture lude. 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:58.720 That's your first time on SVU, right, is that your 1:16:58.720 --> 1:16:59.920 first time on a Law in Order? 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.880 Yes? Okay, so that's your first Law and Order? 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.879 And I believe is this Warren light Time season fourteen, 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:12.320 because like, yes, yes, okay, because he's a big theater guy. 1:17:12.400 --> 1:17:15.320 You're a Broadway baby, so like, yeah, did they have 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:18.240 you audition or did were they just like I did audition? 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:18.920 Okay? 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.560 And it's funny like after I did that episode, I 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:24.240 don't I don't think I had. I had I didn't 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.680 really have a scene Maia with Marishka. But after that, 1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:31.400 like years years later, I became really good friends with Marishka. Okay, 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:35.120 I'll hear that, yeah, because our daughters were best friends 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:37.960 in school. But so at that point, yeah, so at 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:39.360 that point I didn't really know her. I didn't know 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.519 her at all. And but I and I had to 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:44.439 audition just like everybody else. Yeah, and it was a 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:47.800 pretty easy audition, just go in, you know, in the 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:49.639 room for all those people. 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:55.880 And then were they like get in a rowboat, be dead. No, No, it. 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:59.599 Was just do the serious scenes and but it was 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:01.799 you know, it's really a rite of passage for actors 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:03.519 in New York. It took me a long time to 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:06.840 get on. I was like, I finally made it. It's 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:11.000 gonna be in the playbill now. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.840 So you start, like this episode starts, you're at this 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:19.720 like concert which like is like a Google bordello kind 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:23.479 of group or whatever. They're like, you know, and is 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:25.240 when you're shooting something like this. I don't know if 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:27.880 I've ever asked a guest this before. Is the band 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:30.200 playing a set? Like are they actually playing and you 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:32.719 guys are like doing the dancing and everything, or like. 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:37.000 A dancing A lot of times we're not dancing to anything. Okay, 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:39.200 they don't have I don't think they have the music 1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:42.720 rights yet, so sometimes sometimes we might be dancing something 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:45.080 completely different if you see them, like their beat is 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:50.760 so either either dancing in silence or dancing to music 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:52.519 that doesn't is different than what ends up in the 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:53.120 actual show. 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:56.160 Music was good, Yeah, it was fun. It was good. 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.719 Yeah, that that was really fun to do. I feel 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:03.800 like that whole section like lots of extras and just 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:09.040 having fun at the you know club. Yeah, at that show. 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:12.120 I feel like all of those scenes were at night almost. Yeah, 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:13.800 so all my calls were late and they were all 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:14.920 really late nights. 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:18.560 Was that exciting? It was exciting? 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:22.920 Yeah, yeah, And we went I think one was the one, 1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:25.280 the last scene, you know, where I'm on the camera 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.920 that was over by the Brooklyn Bridge and it was 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:31.719 really late at night and I was holding the camera 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:34.599 and then they had other people like filming around me too. 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:37.320 But that was actually like, you know, me filming, which 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:40.559 isn't like another kind of thing I've never done on. 1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:41.320 TV, you know. 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:44.599 And that was even cell phones were big bad things. 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:46.880 It was over ten years ago, right, Like I. 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:50.320 Was twenty thirteen when I came out, So cell phones 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:53.360 were but everybody wasn't filming themselves all the time at 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:55.680 that point, and so I certainly wasn't as used to 1:19:55.720 --> 1:19:59.519 it as I am now. Yeah, it's interesting because I 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:01.599 I remember I was thinking that. I was like, oh, 1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:04.080 it's it's interesting she made like a little video message 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:07.720 for her kids or that even Marishka g chats with 1:20:07.800 --> 1:20:10.200 the kids or not g chats, I'm sorry, facetimes with 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.720 the kids, because I thought of it as more of 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:13.920 a G chat time you know. 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:18.840 During so during that during that time of filming, you know, 1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:21.800 I was emotionally available, but I was had to be 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:24.840 so specific about how I held the camera. Yeah, and 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:26.479 so it was a whole other thing that I had 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:28.400 to think about because. 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:30.840 You're shooting yourself and acting, I mean that's. 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:32.960 Yeah, and moving and we were like moving in there, 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.000 this whole crew around me moving and it was the 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:37.439 lash other day, and so everybody really wanted to go home. 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:40.640 Yeah, that was a little literal question I wrote on 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:41.160 my thing. 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:42.640 I was like, did you shoot that? 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:44.920 Because I sometimes I think I wonder if they shoot 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.120 it and then like degrade it to look like an ELM. 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:51.760 But yeah, that was you the director, And that's like 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:53.120 the heartbreaking part of it too. 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:55.000 You were in such a good place after such a 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:58.200 great night and then this random. 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:01.160 Fucking at random act of violence. So how was it 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:01.760 in the hot And. 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.400 I never got I never got any scenes with Richard Thomas, 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:08.880 Oh yeah, your husband, Yes, And even when they like, 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.160 you never got even like when they came into the 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:15.120 hospital and you were like lying there, Oh, maybe maybe 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:16.639 I was dead. So I didn't actually get to talk 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:16.920 to him. 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:18.559 You didn't get to you didn't get to act to them, 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.559 but now I was warning over your body. 1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:22.559 Yeah, yeah, I was. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:26.400 I was staying in character and just like going to sleep, 1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:26.720 do I. 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:32.160 Yeah, he's in another CLASSICSVU as well, so we yeah, 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:32.400 I know. 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:33.800 Yeah. 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:35.559 And then I have I want to know about that 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.640 rowboat scene, Like did they just throw you in a 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:42.280 rowboat and push you up against the Like were they like, okay, 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:44.280 we need you to like look a little bit more dead? 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:46.439 I mean, how how did you like tell us about 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:47.200 that scene? 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:47.800 Yeah? 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:50.120 That was so cool. That was right in Central Park. Yeah, 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:53.719 and I'm like I made it. I died in Central 1:21:56.840 --> 1:22:00.360 and they kind of gosh, I don't remember it, but 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.960 I kind of remember them like showing me exactly how 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.719 they wanted my body. 1:22:04.800 --> 1:22:05.000 You know. 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:07.600 So they got in the boat first and you know, 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:13.839 definitely arranged you how they wanted to look. And again 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:17.800 there I had to worry about not breathing obviously since 1:22:17.840 --> 1:22:19.879 I was dead, So that was the only. 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:23.000 Stress to work, yeah, or dying very light pulse, very 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:24.160 light pulse at that time. 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:27.360 Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah. 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:30.320 But it was fun too. I loved filing on location 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.200 and it was fun to go into Central Park. You know, 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:35.960 near the boat house, I know. 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:39.040 Where they're like tourists being like, yes, I've thought people 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:41.120 were having their life. Can you imagine it was going 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:42.560 to Central Park to go to the boat house and 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:44.200 they're shooting us view would lose and. 1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:46.680 They and there's a woman in a boat. Yeah. 1:22:47.120 --> 1:22:50.519 Yeah, I kind of think that that particular scene was 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:53.599 really really early in the morning. Uh so there weren't 1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:56.240 that many people, but whenever we were filming, there would 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:58.000 always be people stopping to look. 1:22:58.479 --> 1:22:59.160 Yeah. 1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:01.120 Well, yeah, I had early in the morning because that's 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:03.200 when the yoga mommy had to go get her adderall 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:05.120 and that's when she found you with the guys. 1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:08.599 Right right, right, So I think it like the first 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:10.160 the first scene of the day. 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.320 Yeah, oh my god, amazing. 1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:16.040 I actually have a question for the Sorry the Children 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:17.080 of Wolve's episode. 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:19.439 How was it like, my radiator is going off? 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:23.720 If anyone is concerned at the moment, how is it 1:23:23.800 --> 1:23:26.000 like being directed by your friend Marushka? 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:28.560 Uh amazing? 1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:32.280 Oh she directed that one. I didn't even notice that. Okay, cool, Yes, 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:34.640 so she is. 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:39.920 That's what I'm saying about, how she's able to bring 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:44.280 lightness to this really dark material and you know, she 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:46.240 knows everyone. I mean, she's been there forever, but she 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:50.840 knows everyone's name. She everyone, you can tell they love her. 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:54.520 And also I would ask around, you know, to the drivers. 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:58.719 They all love her there. They I mean, they cannot 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:01.360 say enough nice things about her. And they would just 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:04.120 tell me story after story about her. You can tell 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:08.519 that the cruelest her. And it was just we had 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:10.880 so much fun together, you know. And then she actually 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:13.800 wrote me into another scene because she liked what I 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:15.600 was doing, and so I wasn't supposed to be in 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:17.760 the hospital scene and she put me into the hospital 1:24:17.800 --> 1:24:23.479 scene with her and just getting to act with her 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:27.400 and be directed by her because she's you're doing this 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:31.000 scene with her and she's so real, you know, and 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:34.240 your heart of you was like, oh my gosh, I 1:24:34.280 --> 1:24:37.040 need to be like her, you know, like that actor brain. 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:39.080 But you're like, turn off the actor brand, just be 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:39.880 in the scene, be. 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:40.960 In the moment. Yeah. 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:44.679 And then she's out of the scene and she's watching 1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:48.800 it play back, and she's so supportive. But also when 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:51.360 it's your friend, then it's extra pressure because you're like, 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:53.240 oh god, I don't want to let my friend down. 1:24:53.840 --> 1:24:56.160 But she was so so supportive. 1:24:55.840 --> 1:25:00.920 And lovely on the set, lovely to everyone, and you know, 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:06.040 a true leader because obviously on this high pressure kind 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:09.519 of show, people's egos get in the way right on 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:11.800 the crew, and like one person wants to do it 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:13.400 one way, one person wants to do it the other way, 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:16.280 and then the director's job is to, you know, figure 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:17.800 that out. And it was getting a little tense at 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:20.480 one point, and Marishka just went and pulled somebody aside, 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:22.960 had a private conversation with them like, how can I 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:24.360 how can I make this better for you? 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:26.439 What do you need? Then goes together, but what do 1:25:26.479 --> 1:25:26.960 you need? 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:33.800 So I feel like that is really leadership and directing, 1:25:34.360 --> 1:25:36.879 you know, just amazing people skills. 1:25:37.200 --> 1:25:39.800 Yeah, that's what we've heard. We hear. We talked to 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:41.880 a lot of people, and everybody loves her. 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:44.559 So I mean, like perhaps the most beloved number one 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:46.080 in the business of all. 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.400 I think I think I think so, and I you know, 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:52.120 I heard stories about her fighting for people, you know, 1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:56.519 frightening the network for people, and but I think when 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.280 you talk to the crew and the crew loves her, 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:02.439 and you know, they say, you know, she asked about 1:26:02.439 --> 1:26:04.880 my wife. You know, she knows about us. She knows 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:08.920 our lives. That's the sign of a real, like really 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:09.759 really good person. 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:13.439 And she's a big Broadway fan. 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:20.000 Yes, yes, yes, yeah she I feel like she'd maybe 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:23.320 had seen me and stuff before, but then when our 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:25.760 daughters became friends, then she you know, she would come 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.080 to all my shows with her family. 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:29.519 And I love her husband Peter too. 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:36.240 Nay, yeah, yes, the nicest guy and so so. Yeah, 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.200 she loves And she tells me that she goes to 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:42.720 see shows a lot, and she tells me that is 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:46.400 her out, that is what fuels her soul. That's how 1:26:46.439 --> 1:26:48.920 she doesn't get depressed by all of this all the time. 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:53.800 Yeah, that makes sense. But it's still like, you know, 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:56.639 an acting thing. I like that her hobby is still 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:59.439 really connected to her work. 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:00.400 Yeah. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.360 I think she mostly I think she mostly chooses like 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:08.280 comedies and feel good musical theater. Yeah, because that's the 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:10.559 thing that she she needs more than well. 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:11.880 I have the same vibe as her. 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:15.160 That's what I'm usually going to uh huh, laughing and 1:27:15.240 --> 1:27:17.160 fun girls singing, I think. 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:21.800 Is my qualifications of shows. We had Alex Brightman on 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:26.720 the pod. Oh yeah, you were Barbara in Beetlejuice. 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:31.960 Yes, I remember him telling me when he got that 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:34.040 because we were doing Beetle Juice at the time, and 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:36.040 he's like, so they just asked me to do this. 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:37.920 I was like, Oh, you're gonna have the best time. 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:40.479 So you've done like so yeah, like tell it. Like, 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:43.120 we want to talk about your Broadway career besides Beetlejuice. 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:46.920 I mean, you've done Hairspray, Little Shop of Horrors, Xana, 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:49.640 do Rock of Ages, mean girls, You've done like a 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:51.120 million shows. 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:52.560 Yeah. 1:27:52.760 --> 1:27:55.639 Yeah, I've been really lucky. 1:27:55.880 --> 1:27:59.839 I am living my dream. Yeah. Are you a too Broadway? 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.040 Are you doing anything like coming up or like finishing 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:05.519 anything or like, what's what's going on? 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:06.400 This is fun? 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:09.680 You mentioned that I did Hairspray and I created a 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:13.639 show with the other two women I did Hairspray with 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:17.479 over twenty years ago, Laura Bell Bundy and Marissa Winoker, 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:22.040 who also is a huge SVU fan, Like she is 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.880 she is your audience, Like she watches every episode over 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:26.559 and over again. 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:29.840 When I got when I got lown Arner, she was 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:34.160 so so excited. Wait Laura, which one Larissa? 1:28:34.479 --> 1:28:37.760 Oh, Okay, Marissa is obsessed and she's never been on 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:42.639 so she has to I think because she's in la 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:45.360 you know, and so I think that's why. But she 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:47.960 is one of those people that watches them over and 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:51.800 over again. So I created the show with them called Mama, 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:54.720 I'm a Big Girl Now, and it's based on, you know, 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:57.719 our friendship from when we did the show together and 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:02.560 then becoming mom ourselves and kind of all of the 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:06.080 shows we've done in between in our lives now. And 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.439 it's been really really fun. We had an off Broadway 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:10.439 run and now we're on tour. I don't know when 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:11.960 this is coming out, but this weekend we're going to 1:29:12.000 --> 1:29:15.240 be in Palm Springs and we're going to Kentucky. 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:17.439 Yeah, we're traveling all over and so it's so fun. 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:21.799 Like just imagine traveling with your closest friends and getting 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:24.320 to perform a show with them. It's in all of 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:26.640 these like fancy places. It's so much fun, and the 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:32.200 audience loves it, so saying yeah, so like Mariska, you know, 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:35.600 loves theater. Like, we just wanted to do something that 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:36.240 spreads joy. 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:37.200 At this time, you. 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:41.200 Know, we're like we're so needed, so down, we just 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:42.360 need to spread joy. 1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:42.920 That's it. 1:29:43.840 --> 1:29:46.520 Well, this comes out in two weeks like the fifteenth, 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:49.639 So I don't know, Okay dates, Okay, so then yes, yes, 1:29:49.760 --> 1:29:52.040 check out our website Mama and Big. 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:54.360 Girl Now and we have a bunch of dates coming 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:55.320 up around the country. 1:29:55.520 --> 1:29:56.120 Amazing. 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:58.240 Yeah, you can check out that like a three fur 1:29:58.400 --> 1:30:00.400 you can see three Broadway stars and one. 1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:03.320 That's right, that's what we say. People pay for one 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:08.600 Broadway start, they get three, get three amazing friends. 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:15.320 Yeah, it's really like it's really like girl power, motherhood, 1:30:15.680 --> 1:30:17.160 you know, all of that stuff. 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.280 Do you know my friend John Hill, he was in Hairspray. 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:21.040 Oh you know John? 1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:21.400 Oh? 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:24.960 I love John Hill. Yeah, we were best best friends 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:29.760 with John Hill. Doraing Hairspray and John a photo of 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:34.240 the Zoom then yes, yes, Oh my gosh, we all 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:37.640 adore Jeh Hill. Marissa still like works with him on 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:38.080 his show. 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.559 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Like we worked 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:42.639 together on something and he was always telling me about 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:44.799 Marissa and like how he was in Hairspray and stuff. 1:30:44.840 --> 1:30:47.760 So it just it just like popped into me that 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:48.679 he did Hairspray. 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:50.840 I forgot. I just saw him. 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:53.000 For the first time in face to face I did 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:54.479 his radio show, and. 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:57.000 He is like really beautiful to look at. I was 1:30:57.240 --> 1:30:58.880 really it's. 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:03.360 Really the TV just voice that he doesn't use. 1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:03.680 He does. 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:05.960 He gorgeous, he does, he does. He. 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:10.519 He just did my show recently doing like comedic songs. 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:11.479 And it was really funny. 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:14.080 He writes like these funny songs like I Know this 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:16.840 Dog and whatever the hell else, but like so funny. 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:18.080 He's singing a little bit. 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:21.000 You know, Okay, good good, Yeah, to be so hot 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:25.879 such a yeah, it's crazy, it's really nuts. 1:31:26.240 --> 1:31:29.040 What's your dream theater role? 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:35.320 Well, gosh, I love creating new shows, you know. I've 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:37.519 gotten to create so many new shows, so that's really 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:40.760 my favorite. But my first show that he did in 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:43.799 Broadway was Blood Brothers Anyone Anyway. 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:49.320 So he was from London and I was the understudy. 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:53.720 And now I am old enough to play like the lead, 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:55.680 the mother role, and so that is one of my 1:31:55.760 --> 1:31:59.559 dream roles. Oh okay, And actually when I did so, 1:31:59.760 --> 1:32:02.000 it was my first show I didn a Broadway and 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:05.240 I did it with the first cast from London. Then 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:11.040 I did it with Sean and David Cassidy. Oh Carol 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:17.600 King like was just the cast was just revolving stars. 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:20.160 And I got my first ray show yeah. 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:20.519 So fun. 1:32:20.600 --> 1:32:22.640 That's so I think that's so cool too that on 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:24.800 Broadway it's like you're too young to play this role, 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:26.640 like wait a little bit, you can play the the 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:29.720 like the good part, you know, Yeah. 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:30.160 I know, I know. 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:34.320 It's like the only, only only kind of acting where 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:36.280 you can actually have a career as an older woman. 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:43.280 I also saw in your Insta bio you teach Yes, 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:45.280 is that something you a podcast? 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:46.280 Okay, tell us more. 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:49.719 I have a podcast called Breaking Broadway All four because 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:51.920 the biggest question I get asked on my Instagram on 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:53.559 this how can I break into Bride? 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:55.320 So I was like, you know what, I'm. 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:56.800 Just gonna put it into a podcast so then you 1:32:56.840 --> 1:32:59.880 can listen to it. And so it's fun. I, you know, 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.800 interview people in the business and I try and find 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:05.559 out people's rejection stories because I always find that to 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:09.559 be inspirational. And then I introduce you casting directors and 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:12.280 you know, just things to help people kind of anybody 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:13.880 who wants to be an actor to make it. 1:33:14.360 --> 1:33:16.240 I've been seeing a lot of these in my like 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:18.160 for you page of girls that are like come with 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:20.799 me on a day trying to get cast on Broadway. 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:23.280 And it's like if they're not repped, they're just like 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:25.200 I wake up at the in the middle of the 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:26.840 night and I go into the city because I live 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:28.439 in New Jersey, and then I sign up for an 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.760 open call, and then I do the open call and 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:33.280 that takes forever, and then I'll go and like you 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:37.040 know classes, yeah, and then go this, and then I'll 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:37.400 do this. 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:38.759 It's like it's a hustle. 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:41.240 Oh yeah, I know. I feel like if I had 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:42.880 to do it now, I would not make it. 1:33:42.960 --> 1:33:45.400 You know. It's just I mean to get up. That 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:46.320 is dedication. 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:48.679 They really do get up at like four in the morning, 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:50.000 sign in at five in the morning. 1:33:51.720 --> 1:33:52.720 Yeah, so that you can like. 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:56.160 Maybe get plucked out to do the chorus or something, you. 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:58.800 Know, maybe or maybe maybe get the audition. They're going 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:00.519 now really and they're not even getting teap to get 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:01.000 the audition. 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:02.120 Yeah yeah, yeah. 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:05.000 I just saw Death Becomes Her on Broadway. That was 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:07.120 the last thing I saw because I live in la also, 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.280 so I don't see as much Broadway as I used to. 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:15.320 But uh, like the chorus dancers were the sexiest people 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:16.200 I'd ever seen. 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:18.640 I was like, these people are amazing. 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:23.839 Well, it really helped do that like cut out. 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:30.960 I just saw Glengarry Glenn Ross last night, Bill Burr. Okay, 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:34.200 it was opening, yeah, yeah, okay, cool. 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:37.400 I saw some real carpet photos. Yeah yeah, yeah, it 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:38.959 was exciting. It was exciting. 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:41.439 And what's your review. We can blurt, we can cut 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:42.439 it out if you if it's not. 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:44.800 I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:48.400 I thought it was great, really like great, great performances. 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:49.879 Bilbert. 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:52.880 I didn't really know him, but he was fantastic. I 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:54.920 think he's the big surprise because people were like, he's 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:58.720 a comedian and right, so they were like, none of us, Yeah, 1:34:58.720 --> 1:34:59.080 but he was. 1:34:59.120 --> 1:34:59.719 He did great. 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:01.599 I think you said some acting role, you know, more 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:04.840 and more, but this is definitely probably a new thing. 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:06.640 For He had a little part in Breaking but he 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:08.560 had a little recurring part in either Breaking Bad or 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:10.240 Better Passault, right, but he was on the King of 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:11.080 Staten Island too. 1:35:11.160 --> 1:35:13.800 He was sad and yeah. 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:16.800 But if you ever want to laugh, his special let 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.000 It Go is like one of the best. 1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:23.120 It's probably from two thousand and five, but it's oh, okay, okay, 1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:24.000 so fun. 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:27.080 You're in the mood, just laugh. Oh, speaking of comme, 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:29.320 I'm a I was a big Mindy project. Girl, Will 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:31.800 you tell us so was I? 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:35.080 Oh? Fun? Oh my gosh, that was That was a 1:35:35.200 --> 1:35:36.439 really really fun one to do. 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:41.120 I don't I think somehow I didn't even audition for that. 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:43.559 They watched tape of me. I think that maybe the 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:47.240 writers were fans of mine, which rarely happens, I know, 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.400 And they were showing Mindy the like clips from Little 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:56.400 Shop of Horrors, and they cast me as the Southern girlfriend. 1:35:57.240 --> 1:35:59.640 And it was so hard to keep straight face on 1:35:59.680 --> 1:36:03.120 that show because Mindy would improvise so much in the 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:04.880 scenes and. 1:36:05.080 --> 1:36:07.160 It was so funny. Like I remember there. 1:36:07.040 --> 1:36:10.400 Being a bread basket on the table and when Mindy 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:12.639 got mad, she was like, I'll. 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:14.479 Just I'll be taking these with me and just walks 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:17.000 off with the bread. And that was never she never 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:17.360 heard that. 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:20.160 She only did that for one take, or just like 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:21.559 shoving the bread into her mouth. 1:36:21.720 --> 1:36:24.400 It was. She's so funny. That was such a fun 1:36:24.439 --> 1:36:24.880 show to do. 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:29.200 Oh that's awesome and really also also really down to earth, 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:29.920 really nice. 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:32.400 That's amazing, that's so fun. 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:37.080 The other thing I got from your Wikipedia was your 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:38.800 husband is a muppet puppeteer. 1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:44.360 Yes, yes, crazy, Yeah, my husband was on Sesame Street 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:46.439 for over twenty five years. He was the head writer 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.759 and he does the puppets and directs of the shows. 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:53.320 But now he has left and now he's still doing puppets, 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:56.800 but he's writing on different shows and trying to create 1:36:56.840 --> 1:36:58.880 other new kids shows and things like that. 1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:03.600 But yeah, it was planning. Wait, that's awesome. Oh my gosh, 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:05.760 well we love it's funny. 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:07.760 Yeah, we and we grew up down the street from 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:10.760 each other, so it just happened that we both were 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:12.800 in the in the business. But we knew each other 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:14.000 from when we were just kids. 1:37:14.400 --> 1:37:14.839 Wow. 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:17.000 I was I was Kim, he was Hugo and bye 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:18.280 bye Bertie in high school. 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:24.240 Stop it. That is so cute. Thank you so much. Yeah, 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:26.880 thanks for talking to us, Carrie. This is great. 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:34.760 Sure, thanks for having me so fun. Well, I mean 1:37:35.600 --> 1:37:36.479 that was a thrill. 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:39.240 And I always everyone I brought carry Butler up to 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:42.080 couldn't believe that we talked to her. She really is 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:45.439 a Broadway beloved baby, because people were even by acting 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:46.479 coach he was like. 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:47.919 I love Carrie Butler. 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:53.040 Oh fu Yeah, no, she was great, And now we 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:55.160 have to do that other episode she's in den of Wolt. 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:56.200 I mean, I don't know if we have to. 1:37:56.240 --> 1:37:59.400 It's extremely disturbing, but we'll probably do it at some point. 1:38:01.400 --> 1:38:04.439 But yeah, oh my god, this episode, this true crime, 1:38:04.600 --> 1:38:08.679 it's so fucking crazy that women just can't be by 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:11.320 themselves sometimes. 1:38:10.479 --> 1:38:12.800 Without fear of murder. 1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:15.720 Yeah, that's kind of what I took away from it, 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:20.000 Like she with all the like hubbub of like her 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:23.040 making out with the people, and the cross dressing principle 1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:27.200 and the podcast producer who's maybe a creep, it really 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:29.559 was just she gave a sandwich to the wrong guy. 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:32.639 And that's I talked about that on Ane, another podcast 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:34.719 I went on recently where I was like, so many 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:38.000 murders are I feel like they're just literally wrong place, 1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:41.680 wrong time, and it's so freaky. Like when I think 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:45.040 about the one we covered on townhouse incident, Remember how 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:48.479 like those guys were just looking to fuck up some houses. 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:50.280 But then one guy he just saw the girl in 1:38:50.280 --> 1:38:52.680 the supermarket. Like if they hadn't been in that supermarket 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:54.920 that day, he wouldn't have gone to her house. You know. 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:59.360 It's just like, really, who knows what life will bring? 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.679 Well, Yeah, and to bring it back to the yoga 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:05.920 beach though again is They also in the doc talk 1:39:05.960 --> 1:39:09.519 to people that escaped him really that were like, yeah, 1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:12.880 cause he targeted sex workers. So there were situations where 1:39:12.920 --> 1:39:14.280 like a girl was like I need to get the 1:39:14.280 --> 1:39:16.200 fuck out of here and was able to do that, 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:19.240 like you know, and had a taser, had to fight 1:39:19.280 --> 1:39:22.920 them all like oh my god. But they were scared 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:25.440 to go to the cops with information and they refused. 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:29.520 They refused to talk to the sex workers for investigative 1:39:29.560 --> 1:39:30.240 purposes either. 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:33.839 Right, Yeah, it's. 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:38.480 Just like it's all fucked up and upsetting as always. 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:43.280 I don't know, it's so hard to always have a postmortem. 1:39:43.320 --> 1:39:46.960 I'm like, I know, it sucks, this sucks, It all sucks. 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:47.960 What do you want? 1:39:48.280 --> 1:39:53.000 Like, you know, the the men are out here doing 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:55.759 bad things NonStop all the time, and then the people 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:57.720 that are supposed to do their job to help are 1:39:57.800 --> 1:39:59.960 also doing bad things, and everyone's just doing bad things. 1:40:00.720 --> 1:40:01.240 Yeah. 1:40:01.800 --> 1:40:04.720 Yeah, and that's that. On that, I don't know what 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:07.800 else to say. Like she shouldn't have given him a sandwich. 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:11.360 She should have been in Canada putting her kids to bed, 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:11.840 you know. 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:16.800 Yeah, like whatever, why was she traveling alone? 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:20.400 I mean, but she must have been so fucked up 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:22.000 because like that, like. 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:26.400 The teacher's wig was like not well done. 1:40:26.200 --> 1:40:28.880 You know what I mean, Like when you see a 1:40:29.000 --> 1:40:31.760 dude in drag, like you could tell that's the whole thing, 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:33.759 you know what I mean, Like if you see Tricksie, 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:37.000 you're like, that's that's a performer around huh. So I 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:41.400 just am like he wasn't even contouring, like he wasn't 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:42.760 good at drags. 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:49.400 So it's like you really couldn't tell. Yeah maybe then drugs. Yeah, 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:53.160 the ecstasy makes you have, you know, a little bit 1:40:53.200 --> 1:40:55.120 of blurry vision, I guess in terms of that. 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:58.559 But she could tell him didn't care. She's like a 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.719 good person, But that didn't seem like the story. 1:41:00.760 --> 1:41:02.960 Well isn't that why she left though, like because she 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:04.479 figured out Yeah, but we you know. 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:06.559 That was like a plot hole for me because we 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:07.519 watched them dance. 1:41:08.240 --> 1:41:11.840 Yeah, maybe she grabbed his dick and like laughs, I. 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:17.920 Don't know, all right, Well, yeah, a sad one. I 1:41:18.000 --> 1:41:20.559 was definitely sad. We don't like, we don't like lose 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:23.800 the victim, like that's been in the hospital. And I 1:41:23.840 --> 1:41:27.320 also like making videos like that. I make videos with 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:28.960 that all the time when I'm drunk and having a 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:30.880 great night. So now I'm like, Okay, I guess that's 1:41:30.880 --> 1:41:33.160 a jinx. And I can never memorialize a fun little 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:37.240 video again. Every video you make, you have to be like, 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:39.440 this could be what they play on the evening news. 1:41:40.240 --> 1:41:41.679 If you can get into my phone. 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:43.840 Yeah, but you could write it with like a photo 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:45.880 or something if anything happens. 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:50.960 Oh yeah, that's true. Good to know. All right, Well, 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:56.000 let's move on to what would Sister Peg do? This week? 1:41:56.040 --> 1:41:57.680 For what would Sister Peg Do, which you guys know, 1:41:57.760 --> 1:42:00.720 is our weekly segment where we direct you towards and organization, 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:03.280 an article, a book, something to give you more info 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:06.360 about what we talked about today. I wanted to look into, 1:42:06.600 --> 1:42:09.599 you know, women traveling solo. It's a huge thing. Women 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:11.880 travel solo all the time. It's becoming more and more 1:42:11.920 --> 1:42:15.160 popular every year. And I wanted to just point you 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:18.599 to this article titled fifteen Tips for traveling alone as 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:21.920 a woman. It's on the World Packers website. It's just 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:23.400 a short list of things you can do to like, 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:25.599 have fun, am be safe while traveling as a woman. 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.880 Some things, I you know, thought of, some things I 1:42:28.920 --> 1:42:30.880 didn't like. One was like wear a wedding ring, or 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:32.960 don't overshare with strangers, like you don't have to tell 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:37.240 people your life story. There's a lot of interesting tips 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:39.200 on there, so check it out if you're planning a 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:42.200 trip by yourself. It's at Worldpackers dot com. But also 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:45.280 the exact link is in our show notes and we'll 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:48.439 be posted on our Instagram stories and saved forever in 1:42:48.479 --> 1:42:54.800 our WWSPD highlight the day this episode comes out, and yeah, 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:57.160 happy trails, but stay safe. 1:42:57.520 --> 1:43:00.719 Yeah, stay safe everyone, And next week we'll be doing 1:43:01.439 --> 1:43:06.320 a lighthearted, charming episode. JK, we'll be doing Underbelly season eight, 1:43:06.479 --> 1:43:11.080 episode seven. We're obsessed with all of you. Thanks for listening. 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:16.040 Stay alert, Stay alive, Stay alert, Stay alive. We finally 1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:21.479 have our own tagline to murder. Stay alert, be a bitch. 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