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In 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: April two thousand and eight, a human skull was found 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: in a wooden area three miles from where she was 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: last seen, but Allison wasn't alone. It was soon discovered 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: that there were actually two. Her case is still an 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: unsolved thomas I process of elimination have eliminated all but 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: one potential suspect, a Port City cab driver who was 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: in the bar Allison disappeared from the case is just 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: kind of in a stalemate. Investigations are ongoing and there 27 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: is no statute of limitations for Martin. There is hope 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: that the case will be sold. I'm just really fearful 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: that we're not going to get justice for my sister. 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to so many crime victims, and 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: we all seem to agree on one thing, and it's 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: largely anecdotal. I don't have a statistic to prove it. 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: There's never been a scientific study. But everyone, every crime 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: victim I have ever spoken to, they know when they 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: get that call. They know immediately. I knew when I 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: was told to call my fiance's family and they picked 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: up the phone, I said the words is Keith gone. 38 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew, and I don't know how I 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: knew you. In this case, a sister gets a phone 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: call from dad saying there's a problem Allison's gone. Did 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: she know? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: you for being with us and with me that sister 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Lisa Valentino, and we are talking about the disappearance of 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: her beautiful sister Alison. Lisa, thank you for being with me. 45 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: Do you remember when your dad called you? Oh, yeah, 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: it's absolutely I was on a family vacation with my brother, 47 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: other brother, my brother and my other sister traveling back 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: from New Hampshire with our children, and my dad called 49 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: us and said, you know, there's a problem, just like 50 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: you said Alison in this and and immediately I knew 51 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: that she was no longer living. That was the feeling 52 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: that I had within my heart, within my gut um 53 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: but mute was to say, you know, we we got 54 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: our stuff together. We three of us trapped off our families, 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: hopped on a plane and immediately flew to Willington with 56 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: my dad. During that flight, I mean, I know you 57 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: had to drop your children off, you had to pack 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: a bag, you had to get it together and get gone. 59 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: How many of us have been in that situation and 60 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: in those moments, I remember I had flown to New 61 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: York to take the children. Ice skating a Rockefeller Center 62 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: and we just got there and I got them all 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: bathed and in their pj's, and my mom called and said, 64 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: they just put your dad on life support. And when 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I was trying to repack everybody, and I remember hearing 66 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: somebody screaming, get dress, get dressed, or we have to go. 67 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: It was me when I look back on it, but 68 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: at the time it sounded like somebody else. And threw 69 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: everything back in the bags, and within twenty minutes we 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: were all dressed an assembled out on the sidewalk trying 71 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: to held a cab in the middle of the night. 72 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: And it's almost like a blur. Do you remember running 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: in and trying to get everything together, to get the 74 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: children straight and get your clothes and get out of there, 75 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, if for for us it was a little 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: bit chipper. And it's funny that you said that though, 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: because he's eleven years seems like another lifetime ago. But 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: I do remember like it was yesterday, you know, being 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: in the car getting the phone call, still being hours 80 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: away from our destination, and all of us being in 81 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: sept the cars trying to contact one another, you know, 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: and actually we didn't even go home. We went to 83 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: my brother's house and he's his wife kept all of 84 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: our children along with my husband, and uh we hopped 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: on a plane to Philadelphia early the next morning. I mean, 86 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: so I can remember all of that and thinking at 87 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: the same time I knew something not good. I really 88 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: did believe she wasn't alive. But then, well, how do 89 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: I know that for sure? Same here? Same here? I 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: mean I knew, I knew Keith was dead, but I 91 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: didn't think about it. I just got trying to get 92 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: to him and with Daddy, with my dad, I just 93 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: kept thinking, Okay, don't be crazy. He's been sick before. 94 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna work out. And Cheryl McCallum, director of the 95 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: Cold Case Institute, and my longtime friend, Cheryl, thank you 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: for the my mentor for my dad you sent me. 97 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, as to me, it's like he's still here. 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: And I wonder to you, Lisa Valentino, when you were 99 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: on that flight and you were trying to get to 100 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: your dad when you first saw him, what did he 101 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: say to explain to me how you got off the 102 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: plane and you saw him, and what he said? You know, 103 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: that part is a little is a little foggy. I 104 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: just can see him shaking his heads like you often 105 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: did and just saying, I just can't believe it. It's 106 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: also unbelievable. I don't I don't understand, you know. And 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: you know what's weird, Lisa, it seems like like I 108 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: have my sister. She is a brainiac. You know, she 109 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: graduated at Wharton. They asked her to staying at her 110 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: pH d. She became one of the first women in 111 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: her department to be on tenure track. You know. My 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: brother was like the number one salesperson in the whole 113 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: country a couple of years in a row with his 114 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company. It's funny how people can do all sorts 115 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: of stellar things, like my mom was this is this 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: fantastic musician, and my dad worked at the railroad all 117 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: these years. But you seem to end up being defined. Bye, oh, 118 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: that's Alison's family. You remember what happened, that's that's that's 119 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: who you are now. And I've talked about that with 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: so many crimes. Is somehow that is what you and 121 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: your family are. What happened? Then you hit the ground, 122 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and then what do you guys start doing? We hit 123 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the ground and actually at the time that the current 124 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: investigator who was on the case, met us at the airport, 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: to us at the airport, drove us to uh the 126 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: police department, and then proceeded to bring us into his 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: office and have a conversation with the four of us, 128 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: UM about what happened. Tell me what happened? How did 129 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Allison go missing? Well that kind of so this was 130 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: this is what happened. She UM and my sister Listen 131 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: was not without her issues and problems, but you know, 132 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: at her heart, she was a very she was a 133 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: very good person and most importantly she was a mother 134 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: of two young children at the time who were who 135 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: were her life. UM. And so they said to us, 136 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: we received the phone call from her husband that she 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: hasn't come home, UM and that uh, you know, he 138 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: doesn't know where where she is. And UM, the last 139 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: place we know she was seeing without a place called 140 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Junction Pub and Billiards after she finished a shift at work. 141 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Allison had just gotten a new job. She was assistant 142 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: manager of a holiday inn here in town, and she 143 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: supposedly had gone out to um celebrate after work with 144 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: a friend of hers. UM. They found her car at 145 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: the establishment, UH, I think a couple of days later, 146 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: exactly where it was. It was. You know what's interesting 147 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: another thing, Lisa hold on and I want to bring 148 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: Sherylyn on this one before I lose this thought, because 149 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: every sentence you're saying gives me another whole series of 150 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: investigatory thoughts. You know, Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: Case Institute. When people it's and you know what, I 152 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: guess it's just abbot. When people here she was at 153 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: a pub, they think, uh, you know, she was a 154 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: party girl. She was drunk, she was doing drugs. She 155 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: probably ran a car off the road. They'll find it. 156 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: It's this woman. And I always feel like I'm in 157 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: the position of defending the victim, um and and and 158 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: it goes across the board. I remember talking to Chucky 159 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Mark's mom. He was shot riding his bicycle to the 160 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: seven eleven, and she's always had she feels she always 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: has to say he was a good boy. He was 162 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: not doing anything wrong. He was like twelve. Of course 163 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing anything wrong. In this case, Alison worked. 164 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: She was working there at a brand new job at 165 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: the Junction Pub and billiards, and that is why she 166 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: was there. Cheryl, not as if she needs to be defended. 167 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. But I just want that clear 168 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: on the record, because for some reason, some people seem 169 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: to discount lives. Uh, their life is no less or 170 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: more valuable than anybody else's. It does not negate what 171 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: happened to her. Have you noticed that Cheryl Nancy? People 172 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: spend so much time investigating the victim, not the crime. 173 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: Alison leaves the Holiday Inn where she's an assistant manager, 174 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: and she's celebrating this new job with friends at the 175 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Junction Pub not far down the road, and yeah, the 176 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: police are gonna be like, oh, well, she didn't make 177 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: it home. She's probably having an affair. They discount the 178 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: obvious her car still at the pub. She's never not 179 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: come home before. Her children mean everything to her. So 180 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: instead of putting everybody on this and trying to find 181 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: this young woman, they're pretty lacks of daysical about it. 182 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: So what did you learn? You know, Lisa, that she 183 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: worked that night till the end of her shift, You 184 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: know that she left when the pub was closing down. 185 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Then what how up? And she steps out the door 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: into the night. Well, and this is where this is 187 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: where things get a little a little blurry. Because there 188 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: have been a couple of different theories. One is and 189 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: this is the one. We really believe that the friends 190 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: that she was with, who was exactly that just a 191 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: type of term fed onto she would, you know, speak 192 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: too often about different things going on our life, said 193 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to her, I don't want it. He drives home. Let's 194 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: let's call you a cat, and he says that they 195 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: he motioned for the bartender. The bartender came over. He said, 196 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: let's get Alison a cat. She went, made a phone 197 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: call and a few moments later, and this is how 198 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: he describes some in walks, This big country husky guy says, 199 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: does anybody did anybody call a cab? Which is unusual 200 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: enough to begin with, Normally they don't walk into the bar. 201 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, we did, and Allison said goodnight 202 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: and walked out with this cab driver. Um, that's really 203 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: what we believe, what everybody believes. Some other people have said, 204 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: oh they saw her outside crying on the curb. Um, 205 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, she was talking to some other girls. But 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: we followed up all those those leads, and this really 207 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: seems to be the one, Um that is that is truthful. 208 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, he was away. That's something 209 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: you've got to look for, Cheryl, when you have especially 210 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: and this is rare in cases like this that you 211 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: have a lot last sighting corroborated where somebody walking and 212 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: that really stuck out in their minds. The guy wants 213 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 1: and say says, hey, did anybody call a cab? That 214 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: would stick out in my mind because I've never had 215 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: a cab driver come in and say, hey, did anybody 216 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: call a cab? Oh? No, I'm out on the street 217 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: begging for a cab, right, And that's corroborated by several people, Cheryl, 218 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: So I believe because of that, that is what happened. 219 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: Your focus at that moment should be on that cab driver. Period. 220 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a beautiful young a married mother of 221 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: two little daughters, an accomplished dancer, a je I'm missed, 222 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: the only member of a very very tightly knit family 223 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: to have moved out of their hometown area and to 224 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: North Carolina. That day, she had called and she had 225 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: taught to her sister, Lisa Valentino, and then it wasn't 226 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: much longer that she got a call from her dad 227 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: to tell Lisa Allison was missing. So trying to reconstruct 228 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: the night that Alison Foy goes missing. That's where we 229 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: are now in our attempt to put it all back 230 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: together again with the hopes of solving this. I want 231 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: to go back to Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold 232 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Case Institute. All Right, so we've led up to the 233 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: moment that we learned Alison, this young mom of two 234 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: little girls, has disappeared. We know where she disappeared. What 235 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: more do we know? At the outsets share? What else 236 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: do we know about her disappear Right now? That's all 237 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: they know. Did the bartender call it for a cab? 238 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Cab driver comes in, Alison walks out. That's it gone 239 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: in the night. Okay, where do we go from here? 240 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: That's the next question joining me is Alison's sister, Thank 241 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us, Lisa. What happens next? 242 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: So you're sitting there in the police officers office, he's 243 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: telling you she's missing. Then what do you do? Well? 244 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I I have to be brutally honest. At the beginning 245 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: of this case, and it's since changed, law enforcement was 246 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: not as great as it has been in the past 247 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: few years. With a few detective changes. They basically told us, um, oh, 248 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: she'll turn up. And UM, you know, why don't you 249 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: just get a hotel room and you know, we'll let 250 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: you know if, if, if everything comes up. Make some flyers. 251 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: So here we are four of us. Has never been 252 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: to Wilmanton, North Carolina before, never been in a situa 253 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: station like this before, west on our own. So what 254 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: happens we make flyers. Were out in the baddest areas 255 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: of the town late at night searching for for my sister, 256 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: um until until a desk clerk at the hotel room 257 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: gives us a name and a number of someone in 258 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: town who she think can help us. And that's the 259 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: key center for missing persons and Monica Cason. And then 260 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: once they got involved, things started to move within law 261 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: enforcements and UM people started taking things a little bit 262 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: more seriously. Although I can't tell you until she was recovered, 263 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: how many times I have law enforcements say to me, oh, 264 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: she's out there, she'll turn up. She was spotted here, 265 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: she was spotted there. Um. Before we left town, we 266 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: hired a private investigator who continued to work on the case. 267 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: And actually it was through him and his radio show 268 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: locally that UM this suspect um there there became a 269 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: suspect in the case let me talk to you about them, 270 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: saying she'll turn up, she's been signed. Where where were 271 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: the signings? Carolina Beach on a bicycle at a hotel 272 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: room in Carolina Beach, downtown Wilmington's at two am in 273 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: the morning. I can remember we went to Wilmington as 274 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: all the bars uh let out at two am at 275 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: last call in downtown on the riverfront, handing our flyers 276 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: looking for my sister because again that was another place 277 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: that she had been seen. So it was all different 278 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: types of place. What do you make of those signings, 279 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum um, I remember in so many cases that 280 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: there are signings, and sometimes they're even photos. I remember 281 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: when we were looking for one us. She was such 282 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: the cutest little girl, and there was a signing at 283 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: and you know, a play area within a mall in 284 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: one of those ball pits, and you know what I'm 285 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: talking about, those ball pits. My children would just dive 286 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: into them and all I could see was a bunch 287 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: of journeys. But um, then I'd have to dive in 288 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: after them and drag him out. Any Way, the little 289 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: girl they thought was in a ball pit and the 290 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: person that she took the girl's picture and sent it in. 291 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: I remember putting it on the show because it looked 292 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: so much like the missing girl. It was not her, 293 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and the girl's parents called in. The police didn't checked 294 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: it out, and it looked so much like her, it 295 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: was not her, and that happened. I think that happened 296 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: in the Kelly Anthony case. I mean it goes on 297 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: and on and on. People good hearted, people hearted truly 298 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: believe they see the person. So what do you make 299 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: of these sighting Sharyl? Again, common sense needs to play 300 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: a role here. Nancy Alison had no money, she had 301 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: not used a credit card. She had not showed up 302 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: anywhere like at a hospital for help or contacted her 303 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: husband or her family. So her being on a bicycle 304 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: makes no sense. She's not just riding around on a bicycle, 305 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: not contacted anybody. Um and the police instead of listening 306 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: to her siblings and her father are saying and she 307 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: would just show up. She's just taken a few days 308 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: off from being a parent. That's insane. That was not her, 309 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: m O. They didn't listen. You know what if anybody 310 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: tells you I'm taking a day off of me and 311 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: a parent. You need to start the search absolutely that 312 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: minute that no, pot, I'll start running up and down 313 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the streets calling my name. Okay, So how did you 314 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: take that, Lisa Valentino For them to say, oh, she's 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: just taking a break, did that make sense to you? No, 316 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: and I and I absolutely told them that. I said 317 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: to them, I know my sister and if she was 318 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: leaving town or going to hang out somewhere or wherever 319 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: once she you know, she would have taken her children 320 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: with her and to be missing this long now, she 321 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: would have called one of us and said, I'm okay, 322 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: this is where I am. You know, don't worry about me, 323 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: because she was constantly in contact with us. And it's just, 324 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, really it's very upsetting because you know, over 325 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: these years, that's one of the things I've discovered to 326 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: law enforcement needs to listen to the people who know 327 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: um then that's and that's the family. And we told 328 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: them over and over again. So it's very frustrated because 329 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: it made you feel like they're not looking. What did 330 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: you and your family do to try and find Allison. 331 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: We hit the street, we we hang up flyers, we 332 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: connect with the Missing Person Organization QUE. We were here 333 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: for ten days on the ground, enrollmented, we do news interviews, 334 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: um and anything we can just to get the word out, 335 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: and we try to convince law enforcement you know that 336 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: this is this is an issue. It's not going away. 337 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: And again we hire a private investigator before we leave 338 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: because we weren't confident that law enforcement was doing the 339 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: right thing. Can you imagine being there at the King 340 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: Coast or whatever it was at the time, trying to 341 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: print off flyers, trying to make your own flyers, um it, 342 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: just standing there wondering what happened to her as the 343 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: xerox machine goes and you don't. I've often thought of that, 344 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: what do you do? And I've told this story million times. 345 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: Go ahead and try to stop me. I remember standing 346 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: in Babies or Us. It's like a huge baby superstore, 347 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: looking because some mom at the at the pool had 348 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: put me on a guilt trip. She said she made 349 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: her own organic sunscreen. And I'm like, oh, I'm a 350 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: piece of crap. Okay, So I go and try to 351 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: find sunscreen that doesn't have chemicals in it. Right. So 352 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm standing there and John, Dave and Lucy have just 353 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: they're walking fairly well, they're little, they're just above my knees, 354 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: and they're right behind me. And of course what I'm 355 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: looking for is on the very bottom row. Okay, So 356 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm all down on there trying to dig around, and 357 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: then I can't find anything like that, and I stand 358 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: up and I go, okay, come on, and Lucy takes 359 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: my hand, and so John David and I turned around. 360 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: He was gone that fast, and that feeling that went 361 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: over me, I've never forgotten it. And you know what 362 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I did. I screened bloody murder. Somebody took my baby. 363 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as an ex cheerleader, I let 364 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: it grip and honey, they locked those doors and all 365 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: h g double Ale broke loose. Of course you know 366 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: where he was running like a wild animal, up and 367 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: down an aisle, like three aisles over with some something 368 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: in his hand. I don't even know what. It's something 369 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: he had grabbed off down. But that moment when you 370 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: don't know what to do. Can you even imagine if 371 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: one of your two went missing? What what did you? 372 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: Would be insane? It needs to hear that you've got 373 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: a family that's hitting the streets in these bad areas 374 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: there's this underbelly to crime, and law enforcement is also 375 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: very bad about not going to the source. Well, you know, 376 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: in the day, you and I would have gone in 377 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: the cut in a heartbeat of Zone three or zone 378 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: You're going to have to tell everybody what the cut is, Okay, 379 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: everyone doesn't know our alternate language. Go ahead, sorry. Um, 380 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: like a really bad street in the ghetto that you 381 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: go in one way and you can't really come back out, 382 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: you know, is that in the same way? You know, 383 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting, sure what I was prosecuted. It never failed. 384 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: I would finally be tramping through some horrible area of 385 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: town with my investigator Earnest either with me or I 386 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: just finally just gave up with him fussing at me 387 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: not to go to these places and gone on my own, 388 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: and I would be tramping around and it never failed. 389 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: It would always be in the cut, the cut through 390 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: the short cut, That's what I'm saying. And it would 391 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: be somewhere you don't want to go. And I can 392 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: just imagine this family out there beating on the doors, 393 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: and I remember Cheryl beating on the door and open 394 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: it up and to be a crack house or you know, 395 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: worse anyway, that that's what happens. Where did you guys go, 396 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: Lisa Valentine though, in your search to find Alice, Well, 397 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: believe it or not, we were. We were in those 398 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: some of those areas and homes. And like I said, 399 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: we became fortunate in that when we got other people involved, 400 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: we had someone who knew what they were doing, and 401 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 1: so when we were hitting those areas, it wasn't really us. So, 402 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: I mean we went everywhere. We searched all over this town, 403 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: which is not very big, but it's not very small, 404 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: and from downtown at the riverfront, at bars at two am, 405 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: to the worst neighborhoods to uh homeless shelters, um, you know, 406 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: everywhere that you can't imagine trying to get some answers, 407 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: um to these questions. So all along, what were police 408 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: telling you? Were they still convinced she had just taken 409 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: the powder and left? Were they starting to look at 410 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: the possibility of abduction or homicide? Homicide never came up 411 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: on our first trip down here. Um. Subsequently, after we 412 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: left the first time, I in turn kind of became 413 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: the family's folkesmen and traveled back and forth quite often. 414 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: Uh well, Uh, the detective of the investigator switched on 415 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: the case almost immediately because they went on vacation, which 416 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: was good because we didn't even have a homicide detective 417 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: on the case. Originally we had embezzlement and fraud investigators 418 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: on a missing person as they didn't believe that there 419 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: was foul play or that she was missing. I mean, 420 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: I'm laughing now, but it's it's extremely sad. It's just incredulous. 421 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, I couldn't believe it. So we got 422 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: a new detective on case. He was a homicide detective, 423 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: but he actually was not much better. Um, he really 424 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: didn't believe that she was missing either. He thought she 425 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: had left of her own course. And Guys, again, Cheryl, 426 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: I do not want to be in the position of 427 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: trashing the cops. And I'll tell you why. Some of 428 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: the most decent and honest people I have ever known 429 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: and the most hardworking have been police officers. Question and 430 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: you know they there are some bad ones. I know that, 431 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: and they make all of them look bad. But that's 432 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: simply not true. I have seen them out beating the 433 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: streets right beside me. I remember working cases for months 434 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: on end. We would go out every single day in 435 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: the rain, in the cold, looking in flop houses and 436 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: brothels and doped ins, you name it, trying to find witnesses, 437 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: trying to find victims, working through the night, having going 438 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: out and having to arrest witnesses that we're afraid to 439 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: come the core, you name it. So cops in my 440 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: mind are good? Are there bad cops? Yes? Are there 441 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: cops out of their league? They don't have the training. 442 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: Like here you've got an embezzlement cops trying to find 443 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: a missing person. But I bet you, I I guarantee it. 444 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: They tried right. And I do want to say I 445 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: just I just do you want to say that the 446 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: investigator who has been on this case for the longest 447 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: amount of time, um, and who has really been awesome? 448 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy who's been there for the longest 449 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: amount of time has been great and he he has 450 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: done his job. And so I just things have changed 451 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: in the Woman Can Police Department over these eleven years 452 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: that this case has been there. So so what were 453 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: they tell They were still sticking with the idea that 454 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: she had just disappeared? What about it? Cheryl? Oh, Yeah, 455 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that's all they're thinking. And Nancy, I agree with you. 456 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: I mean, they're the fault of the earth people, but 457 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: they are human and sometimes once they make their mind up, 458 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to get a police officer to think 459 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: differently again. They thought she ran off, they thought she 460 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: had been drinking, had an affair. Whatever, they weren't owned 461 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: this radar of this person could have been murdered. Did 462 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: you know about a recent law that could leave your 463 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: personal data exposed online for anybody to find? 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What do 483 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: we know at this moment about what happened to Alison? 484 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: With me Allison's sister, Lisa Valentino. Lisa, do you recall 485 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: learning that your sister's remains have been found? Absolutely? Well, Actually, 486 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 1: I got a phone call from the people that I've 487 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: been working with down here and saying you're gonna get 488 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: a call tomorrow from law enforcement. It's breaking all over 489 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: down here that remains have been found, and I'm I 490 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: want to just warn you that you know, we believe 491 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: it's your sister. And I just I remember I was 492 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: lying in bed, it was eleven o'clock at night, and 493 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: I just was uh in shock. On the one hand, um, 494 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: I was finally grateful to have some answers as to 495 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: where Alison was, even though I really knew in my 496 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: heart where she was. But on the other hand, I, 497 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: I just you know, tremendous sadness, and just you know, 498 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: I I had no words, I had no words, and UM, 499 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: sure enough, the next day we do get a phone call. However, 500 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: they couldn't identify that it was definitely my sister. UM. 501 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: That that process took from April to September because we 502 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: had to have her confirmed through d n a UM 503 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: as we had no dental records, couldn't find current ventil 504 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: or any type of vential records. UM. But I knew too. 505 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: They sent me pictures of jewelry that was found on 506 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: the body, and I knew that the jewelry was my sisters. 507 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I knew it was her. UM. What was the jewelry? 508 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: M A ring and a necklace UM of hers that 509 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: was founded? What was so distinctive about it? What was 510 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: distinctive that made you know it was her? I had 511 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: just seen Alison prior to her disappearance, and I just 512 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: I know that ring and the necklace that she had on. 513 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: I just knew they were hers because I had I 514 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: had seen them on her. UM. I had seen them 515 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: on her previously when she had come to my house 516 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: too for a visit, which was the last time I 517 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: had seen her, so I knew it was her. But 518 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: again there again too. I gotta tell you, this crazy 519 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: thing that happens is the whole while, even when I 520 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: knew it was her and we're reading for confirmation of Vienna, 521 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: there's still that little incretin maybe they're wrong, maybe they're wrong, 522 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, And then you get the call you wanted 523 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: to believe. You know. I did the same thing in 524 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: my head. I was making up all sorts of reasons 525 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: why Keith's family was calling me, and I almost convinced 526 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: myself by the time I could get back to the 527 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: phone that there had been a car crash and he 528 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: was alive and if I could hurry, I could get 529 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: to and fix it. And it wasn't until I saw 530 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: it was my pastor actually uh that nobody was home, 531 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: And I saw a car at the church and pulled 532 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: in to use the phone that was before cell phones, 533 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: and ran in. He happened to be there, and he called. 534 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: I was on the other side of his desk and 535 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: I read upside down Bernstein's funeral home. And it wasn't 536 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: until he got off the phone that I knew Keith 537 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: had been shot dead. So you try to tell yourself. 538 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Maybe this maybe that when did you come to the 539 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: realization she had been kidnapped and murdered. I think it 540 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: all finally set in when we got the definite d 541 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: NA back in September of that year. Um. For me, 542 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: that phone call is I had all of this emotion 543 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: and that's when it was finally all released. Um. And 544 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: and that's when it really when it really hit me 545 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: that this was it. This, this had happened, and she 546 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: was no longer here and she met a brutally violent 547 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: unto her wife, but she really did not deserve share all. 548 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: Weigh in. Tell me about the discovery of Alison Foy's 549 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: body and what does it mean for insically, Well, she 550 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: was stabbed over forty times, Nancy in the front and 551 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: the back of her chest and her back. Um. The 552 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: disposal site was off Carolina Beach Road, so it's off 553 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of a main thoroughfare. But it's in this little COVID, 554 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: this little wooded area, and it was in the open. 555 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: She hadn't been buried or anything like that, which is 556 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: critical to me. Um. And why why do you say that, 557 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: I think the same thing. Why is it very important 558 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: her body was not built because again she's found with 559 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: another person. So you've got two victims in the exact 560 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: same area feet apart, and that the fact they weren't 561 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: buried but they have been put there um a year apart, 562 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: tells me that this killer is not only very familiar 563 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: with that area, he's very comfortable in that area, meaning 564 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: he probably revisits often and somehow he's able to do 565 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: it unseen, which tells you another thing about him. He 566 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: can go around town and nobody focuses on him for 567 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: some reason. So for example, you know, you see a 568 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: mail carrier truck, You see it, but you don't really 569 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: see it because you're used to seeing them. You can 570 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: dismiss that. You can dismiss FedEx or a piece of 571 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: delivery guy or a cable company truck because you just whatever. 572 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: So the primary suspect drives a taxicab, so again, he 573 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: can part different places. He can basically hide in plain sight. 574 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: So those things are connected to me, they're obvious to 575 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: me in that regard. For over two years, Lisa Valentino 576 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: suspected her sister was dead and ask friends and strangers, 577 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: please don't give up trying to learn what happened to 578 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: my sister. Her then she learns DNA testing confirms her sister, 579 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: Alison Foy, just thirty four years old, is one of 580 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: two women whose bones were found in the woods off 581 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: Carolina Beach Road. What do you know about that area, 582 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: Lisa Valentino, Carolina Beach Road? Is it um far? Is 583 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: it remote? Is it heavily wooded? Is it near a 584 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: trash dunk? What is actually what we have discovered about 585 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: the area was used as a kind of cut through area, 586 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: um a lot and also as a sex area at 587 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: the crime scene. There were dozens and dozens of condoms 588 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: and it was a place that people would go to 589 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: have sex. Um there there was a one restaurant. I 590 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: wonder if they took I wonder if they took the condoms. 591 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. Just in the remote possibility that not that 592 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: I think I kill slash rapist is going to use 593 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: the condom, but just in case, you never never right, No, 594 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: But Nancy, I had a chance to walk that promising 595 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: with Lisa Valentino. Tell me, and it's amazing to me 596 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: the track and the debris that is still there. And 597 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm like you, you know, you might want to go back, 598 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: and you know, scavenge again every now and then, Well 599 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: didn't they find she was wearing a pink sleeveless top. 600 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Didn't they find that there? Yeah? Well absolutely not. Not 601 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: only did they find that's my I forgot how many 602 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: months later was actually six weeks. Six weeks later, I 603 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: went back to visit the site, even though it wasn't 604 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: confirmed that that was my sister, but just because I 605 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: felt I had to be there and see it and 606 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: the problem. Entering the site, there were more, there were bones, sounds. 607 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: I was with my friend that he's like, what's this crime? 608 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: Seem how to come back? And they ended up being 609 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: more remains of my sister six weeks initially after she 610 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: was already recovered. Okay, that is very upsetting to me, Cheryl, 611 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: that like they was placed there has to come and 612 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: find her sister's bones. That is that's bad for a 613 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: civilian to come in unearthed bones. Where were the bones, 614 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: Lisa Valentino, That's bad. It's almost like they were never 615 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: like it was almost like somebody knew I was in 616 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: town how because often the press would you know, the 617 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: media would say I was coming back and we were 618 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: meeting press actually to do an interview and we had 619 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: gotten there before then, and they were just laying on 620 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: top of leaves and pine um needles as if someone 621 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: had placed them there almost like that is scary. That 622 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: is very scary that either a the crime scene text 623 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: didn't find it from the Medical Examiner's office as well, 624 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: or be someone had placed that there. Isn't this behind 625 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: a Mexican restaurant was closed. There's like a narrow strip 626 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: of woods behind the Meskin restaurant. Uh to describe the 627 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: scene a little bit more, Cheryl McCollum, Nancy, it's right 628 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: off the road. So here you have this Mexican restaurant. 629 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: It's got like a driveway that you pull in. You 630 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: can park right there, and there's a patch of graph 631 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: that you can easily chip a golf ball across. It's 632 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: not far and you then you in this little wooded 633 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: line of trees. It's not a huge wooded area, but 634 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: it's it's enough trees to give cover. And then there's 635 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: this little divid there's a COVID there and that's where 636 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: the bodies were. Um. But I'll tell you something that 637 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: was fascinating to me when we were at the crime scene. 638 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: I got Lisa to take me to the pub. I 639 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: mean it's right there. I mean it's three and a 640 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: half miles. And then from the crime scene to where 641 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: the main suspect lived. This is something that stuck out. 642 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: There's a cell phone tower right at the crime scene, 643 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: the body disposal site. As she's driving me to the 644 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: main suspects home. Every now and then I look up, 645 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: I can still see that tower. I can still see it. 646 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: I can still see it from his driveway. As the 647 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: crow flies, you can see that tower. So again, to me, 648 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to revisit, often straight out of their 649 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: backyard is a good way to do it, because at 650 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: this site you had no posing of victims, You had 651 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: no staging of the victims. That was no ritual. This 652 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: was literally where they were placed. He appears to me 653 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: to be like a hunter type killer um opportunistic in 654 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: a way, like he's gonna use his cab. Once they 655 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: get in the cab, he's in control. Now. It's my 656 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: understanding also that a search then ensued and at once 657 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: her bones were identified. Uh. And that was several months later. 658 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: About five months later, a search goes down of a 659 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: man that had been accused of raping a prostitute, is 660 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: that at Cheryl? Correct? What happened? Well, the third victim 661 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: now comes forward, and you know they're telling this story 662 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: that he took me here to this restaurant, he beat me. 663 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: Um somehow she's able to escate him, and it becomes 664 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: the primary suspect and these other two murders, and again 665 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: he takes why why why did he become a suspect? 666 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: He gets another woman, he beats her, he assaults her. 667 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: How did he then get tied into Alison? Took her 668 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: to the same place, the same Mexican restaurant, the same area, 669 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: same cab, same time of day. How how is he 670 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: a legitimate cab driver? He legitimate cab driver, but he 671 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: does a twist. Instead of using the cab company phone number, 672 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: he uses his private cell phone number. And so what 673 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: law enforce have found? Afterwards? They interviewed a lot of 674 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: the prostitutes in town. They all knew we and they said, yeah, 675 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: we would all you know, call him on his cell phone. 676 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: He would come pick us up and if we didn't 677 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: have money for a ride, he would give us a 678 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: ride in exchange for a sexual favor. So they would, 679 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: But how well, I don't understand when Alan, when Alison 680 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: calls a cab. How did she didn't call somebody's private 681 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: cell number, did she? And this guy walks in and says, 682 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: who asked for a cab? Right the bar if I may, 683 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The bar all knew him, and what they 684 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: would do down here is and he was this suspect 685 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: was actually off beauty. And this is how cab drivers 686 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: down here at the time would make extra money. They 687 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: called his private cell phone and said there's a fair here, 688 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: and he would come and pick them up there. Their 689 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: taxis at the time didn't even go back to the 690 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: company's when they're done driving. They keep them at their home. 691 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: So that is how it happened that a part of 692 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: his m O nancy. It's totally on the books. The 693 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: cab company could in tail law enforcement when he picked 694 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: up a fair where he dropped off a fair because 695 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: they didn't know, he didn't tell them he could do 696 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: it at all on his own. So tell me this 697 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: the one woman who lived to tell the tale. After 698 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: he takes her too, I guess behind is the Mexican 699 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: restaurant closed? I understood it was shuddered. Is it working again? 700 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: Still closed? So he takes her back to this burial ground, 701 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, as she manages to get away. Correct 702 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: she actually, I think I think what happened was and 703 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: and was that he had pulled in to get a 704 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: soda somewhere and she was duct tape. And I think 705 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Somehow did you say, did you say 706 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: duct tape? His duck? Paperhands? Where duct tape? She manages 707 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: to kick and somehow get out of the van and 708 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: run across the street, and someone calls law enforcement and 709 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: that and and they arrest him, and um, you know, 710 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: they speak with her. But unfortunately what happens is at 711 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: the time this woman um who was living this slafe, 712 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: was frightened and had been doing drugs. And she never 713 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: shows up for her quartet. And so we are talking 714 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: about I'm gonna go ahead and put his name out there. 715 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: It's Timothy ian One, a former Ports City cab driver. 716 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: That's who we're talking about. So because she had been 717 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: using drugs, she didn't want to come to court. What 718 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: happened then, Cheryl, he took a plea and it was 719 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: reduced to almost nothing. But again, now you've got not 720 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: just a parallel investigation, but you mean a plea for 721 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: the molestation or the assault on the woman who had 722 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: been duckt taped, but because she used drugs, didn't come 723 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: to create. And I believe the actual plea was for 724 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: like having sex in public or something. It was nothing originally, Okay, 725 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: So then what you had this parallel case going on 726 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: with Alison and Angela, the two victims found in the 727 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: wooded area, But now you have a third victim. So 728 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: by any accounts, Nancy, you're talking about a serial killer, 729 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about because he which means they're 730 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: likely other victims. That tell me what you know about 731 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: the other victim, Cheryl Angela. Well, Angela was also a 732 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: prostitute at the time. Um, she was living you know, 733 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: that lifestyle as well. She may there's some belief that 734 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: she may have also been familiar with Timothy Ione and 735 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, may have Willie got in the car with 736 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: him for a ride before he also assaulted and murdered her. 737 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: So again there's these these you know, victims that didn't 738 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: get the attention that possibly they should have. Alison did, 739 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: and that's the great news. Her family was there. She didn't. 740 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: Where does it stand now, Cheryl, It's it's still open 741 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: being investigated Nancy. We're trying to get the d A 742 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: to take this case to the grand jury. That's our 743 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: number one request at this time. He's got an enough 744 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: Can I ask you what if anything actually links him 745 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: other than the third witness who did not come to 746 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: court to these two women. Can anybody in the bar 747 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: identify him as coming in saying who needs a cab? 748 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: Can anybody say I called a cell number to come 749 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: pick her up? Can do we have any witness like that? Well? 750 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 1: We do, we do. We don't have someone for sure 751 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 1: who could say with him. There's been sketches done. There 752 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: have been other people have come forward and said they 753 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: saw a cad pulled up in the woods um with 754 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: parts one night. I mean, there's a ton if I 755 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: if I could just say this law enforcement believe this 756 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: is the guy. I think everybody here believes this is 757 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 1: the guy. And there's so much circumstantial evidence. But unfortunately 758 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: there's no DNA evidence blinking him uh to the scene. 759 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: And I I know in my heart was and it happened? 760 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: Is this is it? I've basically been told. Unless short 761 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: of a miracle or a confession or anything else, there's 762 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: no you know, this is where this is where it 763 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of ends. Even with a new witness over the 764 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: last year, who was another camp driver who finally came 765 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: forward and said I saw him at the bar. So yes, 766 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: do you have that? There was a new witness who 767 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: stepped forward with more information. But that's not enough either. 768 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: That's not enough. We need your help. We need your 769 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: help to solve the murder of Alison Foy, along with 770 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: we don't know how many others. 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