Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And here we are on a Thursday
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. This is Talking Cowboys and
Speaker 1: Mickey with a fine salute as he settles in a
Speaker 1: grand entrance. I tried a grand entrance. He just got
Speaker 1: here in time. Rob Phillips has been sitting here for
Speaker 1: several moments anticipating the start of the show. Hello are
Speaker 1: how are you? Rob? I'm great, I'm ready, I'm ready
Speaker 1: all right. And then here's Brian. Brian has brought us
Speaker 1: that did they send him to the emergency room? He's here,
Speaker 1: he's here, he's in the emergency room. Is he really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What happened? Somebody attacked Twitter? I think? Oh? Oh, Here
Speaker 1: he comes. He's in the virtually here he is. Here
Speaker 1: we go in the grand entrance. Here he is. They're great.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us, joins us here on talking Cowboys. How
Speaker 1: we doing, guys? Good? How you doing? Are you? Are
Speaker 1: you any better? No? Oh, no, I'm not. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard you don't even have your phone, do you? Nope? Gosh,
Speaker 1: that's why I hate Twitter. I hate Twitter, folks. I
Speaker 1: hate Twitter. I gotta go. How are you folks that
Speaker 1: answer or send me questions? I appreciate you. I hate Twitter.
Speaker 1: I've taken the Mickey Spagnola approach. He's lying. No, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. This is I told Derek Eagleton, this is
Speaker 1: my opportunity to delete Twitter now. I'm done. Too many
Speaker 1: people rely on you, buddy. No, you have to be
Speaker 1: at one forty in the morning while I sleep. Some
Speaker 1: robot got me or something. I apologize to the Russians.
Speaker 1: It might be Mickey. I didn't want to point the
Speaker 1: finger at them. Right now. What happened to your Twitter?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Bill, I haven't looked. I'm afraid to look
Speaker 1: at it. Don't you might get the virus. Oh, I
Speaker 1: gotta get off it. Yeah exactly. There's something. There's something
Speaker 1: weird about that thing going on room. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's me. It's yeah, it's awful. And I apologize to
Speaker 1: all you folks to follow me. I apologize, I really
Speaker 1: really do. I did not your fault. I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to ruin your evening. So did people put like weird
Speaker 1: stuff out? Know what happened? It was like a robot,
Speaker 1: just a repetitive message, just the same one. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I was to be honest, I'm so grateful it wasn't
Speaker 1: any derogatory racially remarks any and that stuff something that
Speaker 1: I would that it's not me, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. And so this is my this is my
Speaker 1: way of never having to deal with Twitter again. Wow,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I appreciate that close up Kent
Speaker 1: right there, folks, What are you looking at? I just
Speaker 1: looked at his Twitter and what are you seeing? Nothing?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, it it does not it has it
Speaker 1: doesn't it? What was your image that you had? It
Speaker 1: might picture of me and Bennett in San Francisco. So
Speaker 1: it's an alid blank or yeah, it has to be
Speaker 1: an egg. I don't know what they are now. It's
Speaker 1: just a person like immersive silhouette of a person. Might passwords,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah I would, yeah, I would. Next it
Speaker 1: has a dot and a check mark, yeah, which is verified. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to not be verified anymore. This this This
Speaker 1: makes me so mad. This makes me mad. I just
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to start. Here are five minutes
Speaker 1: and a showing bitching about Twitter. You know, I just
Speaker 1: hate it. I hate it with people. You know, people,
Speaker 1: but you but no, no, no people. How you enjoy
Speaker 1: answering people's questions? Right? I do, but they're But the
Speaker 1: problem is when it when it when it back? You
Speaker 1: know when it when it when it gets to the the
Speaker 1: point where now someone's timeline is completely jacked because of
Speaker 1: my stuff. That's not that's not what kind of crap
Speaker 1: is that. That's where I'm mad. I'm mad because people
Speaker 1: are looking at going, oh brought us you got hacked?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know it. I got hacked. I
Speaker 1: woke up this morning. I got hacked. And then then
Speaker 1: you try and get it with Twitter. I'm sorry, this
Speaker 1: is Mickey's minute. Can't give me it. Hit the sounder, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's play. Hit the sounder. Bays brought us those two minutes.
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I'm locked out of that machine
Speaker 1: right now. You got that, Yeah, I got the issues.
Speaker 1: You got the virus too, exactly happening around. Okay, I
Speaker 1: try and change my password and Twitter says, oh, you've
Speaker 1: used too many opportunities, you've gone, you've exceeded your Oh
Speaker 1: so somebody was trying to figure out Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know anyway, maybe they changed your password. They probably did,
Speaker 1: can't you know? And it just gives me good reason
Speaker 1: not to deal with it. I'll figure it out. Don'll
Speaker 1: be back online before you Yeah, I get you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I gave it to everybody doing, gave it
Speaker 1: to him today to try and figure out Jason, Garrett channone,
Speaker 1: it's not Garrett channone? What's that? What's that? Barabotic? I
Speaker 1: got this? Yeah, don't worry about Twitter's on fire of hell?
Speaker 1: Is he better today, Shannon? Yeah, I don't know he
Speaker 1: he was. I don't making his whole building's fault. It
Speaker 1: was out falling. Yeah, it's falling down around. It's a
Speaker 1: bad omen for Cowboys, Eagles. I hope it's because I
Speaker 1: apologize everybody out there for coming in. They're all pissed off.
Speaker 1: My bad. Well, it's understandable. Yeah, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: hate it when it makes other people's lives kind of
Speaker 1: what they kind of look like, what what do they
Speaker 1: have to do with all that? You know? I don't
Speaker 1: want to so they got to get rid of broad Us.
Speaker 1: They should so they don't get a bad tweet. They should.
Speaker 1: They should have many followers? Did you have? I'll say
Speaker 1: it past tense now that you have kid. I didn't
Speaker 1: know this number because I actually do care about it
Speaker 1: because it was closing in on one hundred k. It's
Speaker 1: it'd say, almost at ninety nine thousand. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: interesting that we bring this up off the top because
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you know what
Speaker 1: has what has been your most liked or retweeted tweet?
Speaker 1: It's always stuff to do with the draft, right, people
Speaker 1: love the draft. Do you remember about how many it
Speaker 1: might too? I don't, but I just it's anything to
Speaker 1: do with the draft. Folks love the draft. How would
Speaker 1: you know that? Well, you just you tweet something and
Speaker 1: then it shows you the number of people who have
Speaker 1: liked the tweet tweeted. In fact, the reason I asked
Speaker 1: I had a tweet this week about Kyler Murray is
Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy is the fifteenth Texas high school football
Speaker 1: product in the last fifteen years to be named a
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy finalists. Right, and somebody there was somebody with
Speaker 1: a lot of followers who must have retweeted it because
Speaker 1: it has two thousand, two hundred nine likes on it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: which is I mean? For me, I've got like eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers. I mean. The only other time that I've
Speaker 1: had a tweet that Matt came close to that and
Speaker 1: probably exceeded that was when I was covering the Rangers
Speaker 1: in spring training. It was the day after you Darvish
Speaker 1: tore his is ucl is ultra ulner collateral ligament, had
Speaker 1: to have Tommy John surgery. The next day, he was
Speaker 1: out on the field throwing left handed. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: had video of him throwing left handed and he I said, okay,
Speaker 1: you Darvish tours ligament in his right elbow, so he's
Speaker 1: now a left handed pitcher. And there were I got
Speaker 1: so many Japanese followers, and I guarantee you it had
Speaker 1: like three thousand retweets and head, Hey, that's whatever. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so with you with one hundred thousand followers in the trap,
Speaker 1: there had to be so many. We're gonna get this
Speaker 1: thing fixed and we're gonna get you back on. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that because because we need you on there, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, draft related stuff even this season, like
Speaker 1: just pisses me off. Yeah, fix, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: counter was on there. Yeah, so, Mickey, no telling how
Speaker 1: many you've had absolutely yeah, Eagles, right, Oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I know followers I didn't know likes. Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And the only thing people like what I do and
Speaker 1: somebody has a derogatory comment about me and I say
Speaker 1: bye bye, and then everybody thinks, ha ha, that's funny.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. I always like that one too. And
Speaker 1: by the way, since you're no longer on Twitter, Brian,
Speaker 1: you can't see this remark, but Reuben Cardona says, sorry
Speaker 1: to hear you don't like Twitter anymore. Yeah, just so
Speaker 1: you know, I really appreciate you answering my dumb questions.
Speaker 1: You don't have dumb questions, Trueman. I appreciate your questions.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, Eagles, everybody doing great. Give us
Speaker 1: enough for that. Give us an injury update, Mickey, what
Speaker 1: do you know? I'm sorry about that. Took ten minutes.
Speaker 1: That's way too long for that. Go ahead and make you. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the most critical ones are that think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me think about it. Jump, I'm sorry, he limited, Yes,
Speaker 1: so that was a step in the right direction. Cole Beasley,
Speaker 1: I think everybody was infinitely worried about him and his
Speaker 1: sprained foot that he finished the game with was limited,
Speaker 1: so that was a step in the right direction. And
Speaker 1: uh literally slew a Philo was limited so he was
Speaker 1: able to practice. And Zach Martin was listed as full
Speaker 1: and that might be the first time it's been full
Speaker 1: since before Thanksgiving. Yeah, and wait before a DNP and
Speaker 1: that didn't change, and Irving didn't change, and Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: didn't change. Uh. Chitabeowoozi was DNP but he was sick,
Speaker 1: so that I don't want to say that's a good thing,
Speaker 1: but it's not an injury. Yeah, And the Eagles have
Speaker 1: their problems also, by the way, to walk through yesterday,
Speaker 1: to walk through, well, Jalen Mills couldn't walk through. Yeah, Maddox,
Speaker 1: their backup corner couldn't walk through. The costn't walk through.
Speaker 1: They're compromised there. This is this is where this game
Speaker 1: is going to hinge for me. In the secondary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's see if Dallas can take advantage of the secondary.
Speaker 1: You get some protection. Again, we talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: Bill if Mickey's offensive line can hold up in this
Speaker 1: game if they can, if they can just kind of
Speaker 1: hold up, you know, if it means keeping it tied
Speaker 1: in or keeping whatever you have to do, hold up
Speaker 1: because you can make some plays against the secondary. I
Speaker 1: do believe that that. And it might be early to
Speaker 1: back people off, you know, so you can be able
Speaker 1: to run the football a little bit. The team always
Speaker 1: strives for balance, but it might be the good plan
Speaker 1: to go early pass and try and get some things
Speaker 1: going that way with a secondary. It just comes down
Speaker 1: to finishing drives, though talked about it yesterday. Been awful
Speaker 1: red zone goal to goal their thirty first bill. We
Speaker 1: talked about that yesterday. In the league, in finishing drives,
Speaker 1: goal to goal situations, Philly hasn't been great at it either.
Speaker 1: But you know, we talked to Cold Easily about things yesterday. Offensively,
Speaker 1: he said, you know that we're happy to win the game,
Speaker 1: win the Saints game last week, but offensively, we were
Speaker 1: frustrated with the way we played. Didn't score enough points
Speaker 1: and so there wasn't and it was a weird vibe
Speaker 1: in that locker room after that game. I mean, guys,
Speaker 1: weren't about one of the game. They weren't elated with
Speaker 1: the victory. I think a lot of the guys expected it.
Speaker 1: They expected to win the game. Maybe that and the
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't think they played well enough. They
Speaker 1: thought they should have maybe blown them out. Honestly, we've
Speaker 1: had that happening. How much how much do you think
Speaker 1: players are in tune with what us outsiders are standings
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, about the perspective of VERI early little
Speaker 1: Brad Sham and I sat there and talked with Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford the other day and we were explaining the standings
Speaker 1: and everything, and he was he was, oh, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, who do they have to play? Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like, well the Rams the Texans? Oh really yeah? Uh?
Speaker 1: And and so where are they compared? And he had
Speaker 1: no clue. See, I can understand that a player not
Speaker 1: understanding who the Eagles have left to play, but you
Speaker 1: would think they would understand who they have left. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think he no. Here's what I heard an interview
Speaker 1: with somebody after a game. It was another team I've
Speaker 1: been like Courtland Sutton or somebody with the Broncos or
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was. And they literally they
Speaker 1: were being interviewed after the game, and he said, whoever
Speaker 1: we play next week, I'm gonna do whatever. And I
Speaker 1: could not believe that this player. It sounded genuine that
Speaker 1: this player really did not know who their next opponent
Speaker 1: was going to be. Jason Garrett tries not to let
Speaker 1: them live in that world, right, I mean he truly
Speaker 1: like what he says to us day to day. I
Speaker 1: think that's what he preaches to them too. Now. I
Speaker 1: think there's a point in time where he will say
Speaker 1: to them, all right, this is what we've got to do.
Speaker 1: But that time hasn't come yet. I mean, really, all
Speaker 1: they need to do is keep winning. So how could
Speaker 1: you not know when you're talking about the Saints last week? Okay,
Speaker 1: we all know what the Saints have been tearing it up, Yes,
Speaker 1: but maybe in the perspective of the guys in the locker,
Speaker 1: around the world attention and so they are, they knew
Speaker 1: how good they were, but they were stopping it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless Marinelli goes into the meeting and says it starts
Speaker 1: talking about the Saints offense and says, now they've won
Speaker 1: ten games in a row, we got to buckle down
Speaker 1: something like that. Remember, on the remember on the Amazon show.
Speaker 1: They were on Amazon. Yeah, like Dez, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: aren't we any good? Yeah, Derek dood. I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Broncos secondary and all the All pros
Speaker 1: and Pro Bowlers and the Broncos secondary last year, and
Speaker 1: Dez took offense to it and say, what about us.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they got sick of here? And how
Speaker 1: good the Saints were from us? From us, from the media,
Speaker 1: they they got they got tired without question. Um. But
Speaker 1: Tyrone told us the other day too, like he he
Speaker 1: doesn't really watch football outside of film studying for the week.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe guys aren't. They go home and
Speaker 1: they have lives and they do other things. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is, which we can even see when we're
Speaker 1: looking at coaches film and stuff, that there's a fine
Speaker 1: line a lot of times between getting up on a team,
Speaker 1: winning a game whatever. There comes down to certain plays
Speaker 1: and you know that they've been coached during the week
Speaker 1: that these are the weaknesses that the Saints have. If
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of this, then we have a
Speaker 1: chance to win the game. So that builds confidence that okay,
Speaker 1: we can do this, and so then they expect to
Speaker 1: score touchdowns rather than kick field goals against the Saints
Speaker 1: on offense. To put in the perspective of our conversation,
Speaker 1: somebody made a comment. They were asked about a team
Speaker 1: and the answer was, well, I haven't started watching tape
Speaker 1: on them yet, but as we were getting ready for
Speaker 1: such and such game, we saw them on tape. And
Speaker 1: it's not like they sat at home and oh, it's
Speaker 1: Thursday night. Let me set the DVR because I'm watching
Speaker 1: this game tonight, you know, and picture this. Do you
Speaker 1: think Zeke has sat at home and looked at the
Speaker 1: standings and said, you know, if we win two more games,
Speaker 1: we're going to plane the NFC East, you know, because
Speaker 1: I can do the math on sitting there. Why don't
Speaker 1: want to believe? Why don't want to believe that these
Speaker 1: guys do know? Why do I want to believe that
Speaker 1: because people probably tell them. I think, guys, here are things,
Speaker 1: but just I don't know. I just don't know how
Speaker 1: you could play a whole season or get get to
Speaker 1: a certain point and not know what you have to do.
Speaker 1: It's actually a pretty good deal if you don't, well,
Speaker 1: oh no, it will, trust me. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: great deal if you. I mean, I would rather go
Speaker 1: cook crawfish. Guys sit there and have to do it.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. When you were in high
Speaker 1: school playing for W. T. White College, I knew, I
Speaker 1: knew how we were going to get into a bowl game.
Speaker 1: I knew you had to be to win a conference championship,
Speaker 1: you had to beat Mississippi State, you had to be.
Speaker 1: You figured it out in general. I drove real quick
Speaker 1: for us to get into Sugar Bowl. In nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: I drove with two other buddies from a bar in
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge to Birmingham, Alabama, so I could watch Alabama
Speaker 1: be Auburn to us to get in the Sugar Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's on a on a Friday afternoon. I did that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm weird. Maybe I want to because if I'm
Speaker 1: in scouting, I did in scouting. I knew, Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta win ten games. How what's the combination to get
Speaker 1: to ten to get you in the playoffs. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, but a lot of times it does. I
Speaker 1: think if guys are on Twitter, they probably read some
Speaker 1: of this stuff or people tell them. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me that guys don't know the Eagles schedule
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. They their head coach tries
Speaker 1: to lock them literally on what they're doing on Thursday today,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And I think they buy into that.
Speaker 1: I really do believe that. Now. Do they know the
Speaker 1: other standings in the division? Yeah, but going like deep
Speaker 1: dive next gen type crap. No, they don't. And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't either go out and play. Okay, I'll take it
Speaker 1: down to step further. When you were in the youth league,
Speaker 1: did you know who you're playing next week? No questions
Speaker 1: you guys had about you guys listening to you, guys
Speaker 1: driving around night blue, questions about Patrick, Yeah, Patrick Crayton. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I knew my batting average. Okay,
Speaker 1: he goes. I had a little book and every day
Speaker 1: came home and they're better. Not have been a couple
Speaker 1: of zeros for something, right, It's time to see funning
Speaker 1: and beating it out. I just don't when the player
Speaker 1: always says we just tuned it out, we don't listen.
Speaker 1: Here's my I've had players walk up to me and said,
Speaker 1: why did you say that? That's a different comp you know,
Speaker 1: And and I look at them like, okay, you're telling
Speaker 1: me you don't listen to what we say. All right,
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. Here's it. Yes, here's what I've contended.
Speaker 1: Really well, yeah, that's different than standings and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Knowing what you have to do to
Speaker 1: get in the playoffs. I bet this is what Zeke knows.
Speaker 1: He knows that he's twenty five yards behind tired Gurley
Speaker 1: for the rushing. Yeah, yeah, he would be. He would
Speaker 1: know that. I think he knows that all right. When
Speaker 1: I limited amount that I played, Okay, I knew that stuff,
Speaker 1: but I would a budding sportscaster. Okay, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a journalist at heart, and so I was into that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But I think with these professional athletes,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're that good, how about baseball?
Speaker 1: They get down to the end, they know how many
Speaker 1: games they've got left and how many they've got to win,
Speaker 1: and Matt why they have magic numbers. I think that
Speaker 1: they are so good at what they do that they
Speaker 1: don't have to They don't even mess with a lot
Speaker 1: of the periphery stuff that we do because you guys,
Speaker 1: I think you guys are getting fooled here not getting fooled. Yes,
Speaker 1: I like I just said, I think general stuff they
Speaker 1: probably know deep dive into what how many games this
Speaker 1: team has against this team? Like now they don't know
Speaker 1: that stuff now this day and age of I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I would say in nineteen ninety two when Bill and
Speaker 1: Mickey were covering the team, and Mickey would walk up
Speaker 1: and say, well, they've got you know, Mickey would know
Speaker 1: the schedule of the Philadelphia Eagles, and then maybe that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Nate Newton didn't know exactly who the
Speaker 1: Eagles were going to play. But with the way that
Speaker 1: social media is nowadays, if they see you can, you
Speaker 1: can follow. I mean these guys follow like writers and stuff.
Speaker 1: They know what's going on. Some of them do, some
Speaker 1: of them Crawford follows me. I think on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: think they know when they clinch a division title, somebody
Speaker 1: gives them a hat. Now one I can't believe. No.
Speaker 1: I just think that they are so into, like what
Speaker 1: Mickey says, with their own personal stuff that they don't
Speaker 1: It's like with players at this point in time of
Speaker 1: the year. You don't think I think they know what
Speaker 1: the standings are. I think they know who they're gonna play.
Speaker 1: I don't think they compute the ramifications of this game,
Speaker 1: this game and how it affects us. How you sit
Speaker 1: down and watch Sunday Night football and the third fourth
Speaker 1: quarter they put up playoff picture division leaders. Then maybe
Speaker 1: that's there. There's another question. Maybe that's when Dak fell asleep.
Speaker 1: How many of the players on the team know all
Speaker 1: the what the names of all the players on the
Speaker 1: team are? No, their own teammates, Yeah, their own teammates. Oh,
Speaker 1: I I guarantee you. There are a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: in there. And I'm talking about the girls. What are
Speaker 1: you doing here now? No, No, I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the guys that get signed during the season,
Speaker 1: you know, okay at the beginning, Okay, you're talking about uh,
Speaker 1: the coup the corner, Yeah, something like that's like that
Speaker 1: who have been signed or maybe practice squads, guys on
Speaker 1: that end practice squad. I didn't know how man, Okay,
Speaker 1: how many of the players on the fifty three man
Speaker 1: roster can name all of the practice squad guys? If
Speaker 1: they could walk into the locker room and they know
Speaker 1: their name? Now, yeah, that I don't think. Hey, I
Speaker 1: was sitting very very few. I bet. I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the locker room next to Nate Newton. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: had traded for Dale Hellistry, and he came walking through
Speaker 1: that curtain on the on the west side of the
Speaker 1: locker room, and he looked up and he saw this
Speaker 1: guy coming in with just not a very flattering body.
Speaker 1: And Nate looked at me and goes, hell is that?
Speaker 1: And I said, you just traded for a deep snapper.
Speaker 1: He goes, we did no clue. That's before Twitter and
Speaker 1: all that. But where I will where newspapers where I
Speaker 1: will agree with Brian that I don't think players read.
Speaker 1: When players tell you they don't pay attention to stuff
Speaker 1: that now maybe they try not to. Oh Bob, don't,
Speaker 1: but don't ride the fence on this year. I'm not
Speaker 1: riding the fence. Will you let me talk, let me
Speaker 1: finish my please, But we'll get to it. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to people tell them things, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: it comes from. But I don't think guys every guy
Speaker 1: reads everything. I believe a little bit of it. But
Speaker 1: when guys will come to you and said they don't
Speaker 1: like what you wrote, well, they got it from somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know. Somebody told him this reminds me of the
Speaker 1: legend of Ricky Henderson in the in the baseball clubhouses.
Speaker 1: In fact, al Lider took him around with a TV
Speaker 1: camera and went to his teammates in the clubhouse to
Speaker 1: see how many this is when he's with the New
Speaker 1: York Mets. How many of his Mets teammates that Ricky
Speaker 1: Henderson could name? And he couldn't name a single one
Speaker 1: of them. He gets traded to Seattle or something, and
Speaker 1: John Olrud was there. Yeah, And John Olrud would wear
Speaker 1: a batting helmet when he played in the field. In
Speaker 1: the field, okay. And Ricky Henderson goes up to him
Speaker 1: and said, wow, you were a batting helmet in the field.
Speaker 1: You know, I played with a guy in New York
Speaker 1: who wore a batting helmet in the field too. It
Speaker 1: was the same. All right, we continue we are Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I got one more for you, okay, you said, Ricky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Missouri had a basketball player named Ricky Frasier. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember him play with Steve Stepanovitch and Curtis Berry and
Speaker 1: Lady darn Good, right, and they were getting ready to
Speaker 1: play an NCAA playoff game against Notre Dame and Kelly
Speaker 1: Tripuca all American. Everybody knows who Kelly Tripuka is. So
Speaker 1: they're in the locker room before the game and Norm
Speaker 1: Stewart looks at Ricky and he goes, you got Kelly Tripuka.
Speaker 1: And Ricky turns and he goes who. He had no
Speaker 1: idea And it's like they had to give him the
Speaker 1: numbers to know who he was going to cover. He
Speaker 1: had no clue. One of the great basketball players who
Speaker 1: didn't have much upstairs. M okay, and we continue with
Speaker 1: talking about Cowboys that we're going to take a look
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Speaker 1: maybe another time, Mickey, we got the chance in the
Speaker 1: in the fraternity. Huh no, no, no, not that story.
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Speaker 1: getting free ones? Didn't then? The last time? You know, no, no,
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Speaker 1: been a football game too. Yeah. Well, oh it was
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Speaker 1: the wall, and I have folks coming in from out
Speaker 1: of town. I couldn't take that chance. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: It's fair, all right. Justin Byerley on Twitter asked the question, Twitter,
Speaker 1: can you talk about the difference Noah Brown has made
Speaker 1: since being active this year? Is he part of the
Speaker 1: reason the run game is better? And should he be
Speaker 1: more involved in the pass game? I said this on
Speaker 1: the radio this morning, Mick. I think I was after
Speaker 1: as before you this morning, and I was because then
Speaker 1: I found out you're my problems. Problems. Yeah to me,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. They need to throw the ball to Noah
Speaker 1: Brown and yeah, I'll see you Noah Brown. You know,
Speaker 1: you know Aigman talked about him the other day watching
Speaker 1: tape him and the comeback round here're in. He's right
Speaker 1: about Noah Brown. Noah Brown has some Noah Brown's better
Speaker 1: than just a blocker. I mean, he's a tough guy.
Speaker 1: They've you know, they've used him in some things where
Speaker 1: he's been in motion and let up inside and dug
Speaker 1: some linebackers out or took them taking the safety out
Speaker 1: of the play. But yeah, throwing the ball to Noah
Speaker 1: Brown is not a bad option. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: they've got this is the problem that the Eagles are
Speaker 1: gonna run into their their secondary. They're gonna have, you know,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are I think the Cowboys are better
Speaker 1: equipped to cover the Eagles than they are the Eagles
Speaker 1: cover the Cowboys in this one. Yeah, because Noah Brown
Speaker 1: should be a part of that. And you are seeing
Speaker 1: a little more of Noah Brown when they go multi
Speaker 1: receiver sets. He's out there. I think he's His snap
Speaker 1: tootals have exceeded Alan Hearns in the last couple of games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Not one hundred percent on that, but
Speaker 1: but I think we're seeing more and more of him
Speaker 1: out there. And it's not just on running plays. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about what he can do some of those
Speaker 1: crackback blocks on on some runs, especially when Cam Fleming's
Speaker 1: playing left tackle. Yeah, how old is Noah Brown? Twenty
Speaker 1: two man? Any other guesses. Yeah, he did definitely came
Speaker 1: out early twenty two two. He's twenty one. Okay, he
Speaker 1: doesn't turn twenty two until a month from now in
Speaker 1: January sixth. He think it's twenty two. Yeah, I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: I checked that he is twenty two. I'm sorry, my
Speaker 1: math is mad. He's Twitter probably got that off Twitter. No,
Speaker 1: I got half Wikipedia. I just misread it. I just
Speaker 1: so he's twenty two years old. He'd be twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still See this is where it's this young.
Speaker 1: This is where the Cowboys. Think about this. Now, if
Speaker 1: you want to play GM guy down the road here,
Speaker 1: think about your receivers. Get Noah Brown going twenty two
Speaker 1: years old, Michael Gallup? How do you think Michael Gallups
Speaker 1: twenty two years old? Twenty one years old? Maybe? Maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That the guy who's your number one receiver. Now he's
Speaker 1: what twenty four? Think about this. I give you another
Speaker 1: name that I had even thought about. Uh, Danny Serek
Speaker 1: gave me. Cedric Wilson was a guy they drafted, Rick
Speaker 1: Wilson that they like, and he got hurt and he's
Speaker 1: on IR this year. Yeah, but that's another guy who's
Speaker 1: going to compete next year. Yeah, that's to me that
Speaker 1: this is you know, it went from a team that
Speaker 1: had receiver by committee too, like okay, in you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen. You know you're thinking, wow, this
Speaker 1: this receiving corps might be you know, pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: And Gallup is twenty two. He is two months younger
Speaker 1: than Noah Brown. Yeah, there you go. So Noah Brown
Speaker 1: the last two games twenty and twenty one snaps turns
Speaker 1: thirty two and sixteen six sixteen sixteen. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna need him if he can't go. But his snaps
Speaker 1: went up when Tyrant Smith went out. Yeah, right, trying
Speaker 1: to help on that edge. Speaking of snaps, Okay, we
Speaker 1: want Layton vander Esch on the field as much as possible.
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm hearing from everyone the masses Twitter verse? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when did he come off the field last week? He
Speaker 1: was off the field for eight snaps last week. They
Speaker 1: took him off. They took him off because yeah, they
Speaker 1: went to the dime. Yeah, and Gordon Lewis was on
Speaker 1: the field, and so from that standpoint, it was pretty
Speaker 1: good idea to have Jordan Lewis on the field on
Speaker 1: those snaps. I just think it's funny that, Okay, we
Speaker 1: want Layton vander esh and I agree, well, you want
Speaker 1: him on the field as much as possible, but sometimes
Speaker 1: there are packages where a guy comes off the field.
Speaker 1: Then those packages can be pretty effective. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: one was really effective. And they need to figure out
Speaker 1: something for Zach Arntz this week. You know, let's see.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were very creative last week.
Speaker 1: It felt like that, It felt like that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: was on on my guy all every snap, but it
Speaker 1: was only eight and it was you look at that
Speaker 1: line score. It was very much a David Irving Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packer line score, you know, from that time where
Speaker 1: he played a certain amount of play nineteen snaps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got defensive player of the way exactly exactly. So yes, no,
Speaker 1: I'm it brought up again the thought of okay, when
Speaker 1: Sean gets back, then how do you make this all work?
Speaker 1: But again, I think it's gonna be a thing where Okay,
Speaker 1: take this series off, come back in and we try
Speaker 1: to keep everybody fresh and everybody yet I don't know,
Speaker 1: forty something snaps, Maybe you can get maybe you can
Speaker 1: get even more creative with some ideas, maybe this last
Speaker 1: month of the season, you know, you break some of
Speaker 1: the tendencies that you've had during the year. You know,
Speaker 1: you've you've played a lot of games without Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: Now maybe you can create some other opportunities at some
Speaker 1: offenses in this last month, mainly Indianapolis and Tampa. And
Speaker 1: you know, and if you could get into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you're creating opportunities. Say, Okay, we haven't shown this all year.
Speaker 1: Now you break it out in one of those games,
Speaker 1: and it wins you a game because you have eight
Speaker 1: snaps where they where they completely take a key player
Speaker 1: out of the game. And you have now figured out
Speaker 1: that maybe Layton vanderash can mentally handle things much more
Speaker 1: than what a rookie normally can. This is this is
Speaker 1: where my worry was. And I you know, because rookies
Speaker 1: tend to hit the wall. You know, Layton Vanderish's body
Speaker 1: is telling him he's now it's time for him to
Speaker 1: get ready for the Holiday Bowl. You know, it's telling
Speaker 1: him he needs to get ready for the Idaho Potatoble.
Speaker 1: You know, his body is his body's telling him that,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's you know, but now, but if
Speaker 1: you think about this though a little bit Brian. He
Speaker 1: didn't go through all the preseason. You know, he played
Speaker 1: hardly any of that really the ota. But but you're
Speaker 1: still rorried about the rookie wall. And okay, if he
Speaker 1: were to hit the rookie wall, then you have a
Speaker 1: guy like Sean Lee there to kind of pick up
Speaker 1: the pieces if that happened. You think that's a real thing.
Speaker 1: The wall my experience of rookies, yes, I think it's
Speaker 1: a real thing. I really really do. And now there's
Speaker 1: some players that that manage to fight through it. And
Speaker 1: you know, but you see the level of play. Does
Speaker 1: winning help you get through that rookie wall? I think
Speaker 1: it does. I think it does. But but these guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to condition yourself to play. You
Speaker 1: ask Layton Vanderish right now how he feels. He'll probably saw,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. But you know, ask him two
Speaker 1: weeks from now. How you know he's been in a
Speaker 1: lot of car rex. I mean if you look at
Speaker 1: him making a lot of tackles and having to play
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps, and you know, I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: you know, thinking like I'm a young guy. But you know,
Speaker 1: there comes a point in time too. You have to
Speaker 1: fight through that a little bit. Not only he's ready
Speaker 1: to take finals and take a month off. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you do when you're Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: college football player. You're trying to get trying to get
Speaker 1: ready for the Holiday Bowl. It's thought, especially the position
Speaker 1: he plays, like he said, I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 1: most high impact position other than running back, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, Zeke said, this is the best Wednesday he's
Speaker 1: felt in weeks. So because he had a long weekend.
Speaker 1: Nobody needed it more than Zeke. I think, all right,
Speaker 1: I bet the quarterback needed it. Yeah, you ask him no,
Speaker 1: but he'd been sacked seventeen times in four games. What
Speaker 1: are we doing about that? Mickey? Um, I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm asking I got to get better. That's a terrible
Speaker 1: question to ask you. It's a terrible stat to have
Speaker 1: to point out. Do you think that's gonna be that's
Speaker 1: still one? Is that gonna be the downfall of this
Speaker 1: team at the end? Not protecting the quarterback? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that going to be the one thing that oak
Speaker 1: this defense? Is playing Gray? Oh, the receivers looks like
Speaker 1: we're getting something with a Maury Cooper here had a
Speaker 1: guy left, I think, come up and tell me that
Speaker 1: more than half of those sacks are on deck. I
Speaker 1: said half. Seriously, I don't know about that. Now, don't
Speaker 1: go that route. You know, if you are going to
Speaker 1: make a playoff run, you've got to have him. Last week,
Speaker 1: for sure, I thought, you've got to be able to
Speaker 1: finish drives. However, that happens, and that's a part of it,
Speaker 1: because when they've gotten down, I think two of the
Speaker 1: situations they got in the red zone or one in
Speaker 1: each of the last two games they've won, it's been
Speaker 1: a sack that's pushed him either out of field goal
Speaker 1: range or knocked him back into a field goal situation.
Speaker 1: Or a run first down run for a loss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or uh, missed pass in the end zone to a
Speaker 1: wide open guy or a drop in the end Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a lot of different things. Why did he miss
Speaker 1: that guy? A little bit of pressure, guy was barren
Speaker 1: down on him and he was having to back pedal
Speaker 1: and just threw the ball up to say from getting sacked.
Speaker 1: Been a lot of reasons for it, but yeah, they
Speaker 1: got to drop past drive. You gotta be able to
Speaker 1: more points in the playoffs. If you get there. Worried
Speaker 1: more about the sacks of the red zone offense. I
Speaker 1: think they go handed. That's kind of what I was saying,
Speaker 1: kind of goes handed, I understand. But if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one, I know they go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: But it fix one first. Fix one for me, I'd
Speaker 1: say fixed the sacks. They're winning games getting sacked, which
Speaker 1: is incredible that the red zone offense they could put
Speaker 1: people away if they could just finish some damn drives
Speaker 1: or figure out how to get them in. Yeah. It's like,
Speaker 1: can I run it in there? Or are they stack
Speaker 1: in the box where I have to come up with
Speaker 1: some gingerbread play to get it in there? Half back
Speaker 1: pass yeah yeah, or let the tight end on a
Speaker 1: round throw it you know. Yeah, I just I both
Speaker 1: of them are troubling to me. I just the sacks
Speaker 1: that's troubling. I mean, it's like having a penalty, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't get them down and you don't get
Speaker 1: the down or you're better holding at least you get this.
Speaker 1: This is gonna go down as one of the most
Speaker 1: sacked teams in Cowboy history. Am I write about that?
Speaker 1: What's the record? You know it was in the fifties,
Speaker 1: I want to say, and there, and of course they
Speaker 1: didn't start keeping sacks until nineteen eighty two, so it's
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty two on that we actually know the enough.
Speaker 1: This is not a Steve Pollard Danny White thing. I
Speaker 1: think it's a Steve Pelard thing. Yeah, well in eighty nine,
Speaker 1: eighty nine, yeah, you know, yea seven in one game.
Speaker 1: I just that was nineteen nine, that was ninety yeah,
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Yeah, but he was getting knocked around.
Speaker 1: How do you fix the red zone stuff? Then? How
Speaker 1: do you fix that? Do you have to come up
Speaker 1: with better plays or do you have to execute better
Speaker 1: when you get back. I think a lot of it's
Speaker 1: been execution. Like I said, the Washington game, little pressure,
Speaker 1: Noel Brown, wide open. I know people think they get
Speaker 1: past happy down there, and I you know, I'd like
Speaker 1: to see them just hand the ball your best player more.
Speaker 1: But on one I think on one of these red
Speaker 1: zone drives here last games, he got a like minus
Speaker 1: one or it was a one yard game, and then
Speaker 1: Dak winds up getting sacked. I want to say it
Speaker 1: might have been the Tennessee game when they had those
Speaker 1: opportunities seventeen I want to say the first play, first
Speaker 1: and goal at the four turned into first and goal
Speaker 1: at the six. On the sacks. The Cowboys actually have
Speaker 1: kept the sack totals going back all the way to
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty apparently because they have a in the record book.
Speaker 1: The most sacks by an opponent in a season was
Speaker 1: sixty eight in nineteen sixty four, according to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: media gain about after and in nineteen eighty six with
Speaker 1: an asterisk by it, sixty sacks, so they're at forty
Speaker 1: five right now. The asterisk is probably because Danny White
Speaker 1: got hurt the second half of the season and then
Speaker 1: Steve eighty six was it? When was the strike? Say, okay,
Speaker 1: eighty six eighty six? Because that's official, maybe they make
Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna get my glasses. No, I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: I just an official stat at that point. I just
Speaker 1: hope that's not the thing that derails this team, that
Speaker 1: they can't protect it, because they can't protect the quarterback
Speaker 1: enough to to win these games they need to down
Speaker 1: the stretch. But they've been giving up sacks and winning.
Speaker 1: So that's probably why the asterisk is there, because it's
Speaker 1: an officials in officials, Yeah, yeah, well, giving up sacks
Speaker 1: and as long as your defense is playing at an
Speaker 1: elite level, that's holding teams to what you're holding them too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But see, but there's gonna be times where your defense
Speaker 1: is going to be challenged. I mean, so you got
Speaker 1: to be able to match them. In twenty seven points
Speaker 1: in this first game against Philly, that's you know, you
Speaker 1: need to get something like that every game you scored
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I'm sorry, Mickey, go ahead. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say no. When you're getting sacked that much, you're encouraging
Speaker 1: teams to continue to blitch you. You've got to make
Speaker 1: them pay for those blitz as you can allow. And
Speaker 1: that last game, the Saints started coming. They were coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's where that screen comes in. Yeah. One touchdown
Speaker 1: they got was that screen to zeke More. Screens always
Speaker 1: seems to work. The screens. Screens are good, especially on
Speaker 1: your house. Can you win this game scoring just twenty
Speaker 1: four points? This game coming up? Yeah? You think twenty three?
Speaker 1: That wasn't going to be my scorer already? All right,
Speaker 1: we do that tomorrow? Right? Oh okay, I jumped, But Rob,
Speaker 1: can you win this game just scoring twenty four points?
Speaker 1: I think the defense has shown that they Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'd feel more comfortable if you're pushing more to thirty.
Speaker 1: I think this offense is I think this office is
Speaker 1: capable of that with Cooper, now with Zeke, and I mean,
Speaker 1: they are capable of scoring more than they had earlier
Speaker 1: in the season. But if you look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: you say, I think the defense could hold them Eagles
Speaker 1: to twenty with all the weapons. I know, we talked
Speaker 1: about it this way. It's gonna be tough because they're
Speaker 1: gonna give up some plays. Probably. Did you guys think
Speaker 1: they were gonna split this series when you looked at
Speaker 1: this on paper to start the year annually? Did you
Speaker 1: think the home win home road loss kind of a thing?
Speaker 1: I go into every season thinking it's gonna be three
Speaker 1: and three record just on the division. Yeah, you pretty
Speaker 1: much are gonna split somehow with every team more or less.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking last night, and I was pumping
Speaker 1: how good the a NFC South was. It's a freaking
Speaker 1: train wreck over there, you know. Yeah, I'm tired and
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing the the NFC East the worst
Speaker 1: division in football. Oh no, the the the NFC South
Speaker 1: is bad. Than how good's the AFC East. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the teams down our argument about
Speaker 1: that he gets six he gets six games every year.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the game is having to win,
Speaker 1: you know, they're having the games, are having to win.
Speaker 1: I was thinking four and two in the because your point,
Speaker 1: Atlanta has slipped, Carolina has slipped. Yeah, Tampa has struggled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you beat New Orleans. How good the North? Well that's
Speaker 1: Bears are slipping. Yeah, Packers faded away again. I'm just
Speaker 1: viking focusing on the teams you're playing. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that that if I see that
Speaker 1: one more time about well, the NFC East the worst season.
Speaker 1: This is where you need to play Carolina now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: instead of playing instead of playing an opening day, this
Speaker 1: is where you need and you can't help your schedule
Speaker 1: to place East Carolina. This is where you know, this
Speaker 1: is where you need to play Tennessee. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of bit. But that's what happens. That's what I have.
Speaker 1: A young team. Maybe it rows as you go along.
Speaker 1: I make You're right about this offensive line stuff, though,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about that. I'm worried about the sacks. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about that costs them a game, you know, sacks.
Speaker 1: With forty five sacks through twelve games, they are on
Speaker 1: a pace to match that official record of sixty sacks.
Speaker 1: Because it's not just the sacks, it's also Dak has
Speaker 1: he just fumbles for it. It's not always on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just right. You're right, you're got to
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Speaker 1: the guard gets pushed back into him and raises his
Speaker 1: hand as he's pulling the ball down and knocks the
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Speaker 1: were talking sacks earlier. That nineteen eighty six season, Danny
Speaker 1: White had a He was leading the league in passing
Speaker 1: the first six starts of the season. He was only
Speaker 1: sacked ten times in those six starts. He didn't suffered
Speaker 1: a season ending injury, and then Steve Puller took over
Speaker 1: and the rest, as they say, is history. In the
Speaker 1: final nine starts of the season, Steve Puluer was sacked
Speaker 1: a total of forty seven times. That's five times a game.
Speaker 1: That is a rate of what would be eighty four
Speaker 1: sacks for a sixteen game season. And that's why that
Speaker 1: season went downhill in a hurry. Danny White missed the game,
Speaker 1: he didn't get to start the first eight. He missed
Speaker 1: the Denver game, and it was a surprise to everybody here.
Speaker 1: We come out and Steve Pelluer's got a start. Well,
Speaker 1: what happened to Danny White? Well, they were running sprints
Speaker 1: during the walkthrough on Saturday before they left, and they
Speaker 1: were practicing special teams and Danny White was running down
Speaker 1: to get some conditioning in and he pulls a hamstring.
Speaker 1: So how much did he play in that game? He
Speaker 1: did not start against Denver, okay, because he had seven games,
Speaker 1: six starts. So my point is if he played significantly
Speaker 1: in that game. He missed two starts, okay, in the
Speaker 1: first eight okay, and then that was the ninth game
Speaker 1: and he got knocked out. I want to say it
Speaker 1: was the third quarter. Okay. Yeah, all right, let's go
Speaker 1: to Joe in Annapolis. You're next up here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Joe Gifts. Jensen's an honor to share the line with
Speaker 1: you guys, A huge fan of the listening for a
Speaker 1: long time. Um, I got a couple of things and
Speaker 1: then a question for all you guys. So the one
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season, all my avvy Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans called me crazy for predicting this team to go
Speaker 1: to the NFC title game, predicted them to go that
Speaker 1: way because it seems to be when Edward oh No
Speaker 1: fired he surprises us in some kind of way. So
Speaker 1: I still hold onto my prediction that they will make
Speaker 1: it to the title game. And the second thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to say is, I don't understand why the idea
Speaker 1: of fifty five coming off the field is a good
Speaker 1: idea for any kind of notation. I was in Tenants
Speaker 1: as the game and land over here in Maryland, and
Speaker 1: when he was off the field, there were a couple
Speaker 1: of minus tackles and the Redskins scored their only offensive
Speaker 1: touchdown of the game, and we were all in the
Speaker 1: stands wondering why the heck was number fifty five off
Speaker 1: of the field when he has been the team's the
Speaker 1: best tackler off season, and we're going off in history,
Speaker 1: why didn't Tony Romo get his shot back? Shan Lee
Speaker 1: has not been shan Lee of the old He has
Speaker 1: not been playing at that level. Layton Vanderish has been
Speaker 1: playing better than shan Lee. And the last thing I
Speaker 1: will say is has anyone ever asked Dak Prescott about
Speaker 1: wearing any kind of like hand gloves or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because he seemed to be clumsy with the football from
Speaker 1: time to time. And I appreciate all you guys and
Speaker 1: I will hang up and listen. He needs some stick
Speaker 1: them right, needs to see Fred yeah back in the day,
Speaker 1: or who was the dB that had it, Lustra Hayes,
Speaker 1: Buster Hayes. Not only all over his hands, is everywhere?
Speaker 1: Number thirty seven, he had all over his number and
Speaker 1: stuff to cut it down his jersey so he could
Speaker 1: wipe his hands and get some more. Shaun Lee not
Speaker 1: playing well, I know about play well. We all kind
Speaker 1: of cringed when we saw that, right, Shaun Lee's been hurt.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest there. I mean, I'm not honest.
Speaker 1: That's that's fact. Make you got those stats over there,
Speaker 1: Well he's got he's got thirty five tackles, and I
Speaker 1: bet he's only played five games. Maybe yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I nobody, nobody appreciates what Layton Vanderass done more
Speaker 1: than me. I know everybody in this room appreciates Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish learning curve very small. He's come in, he's played
Speaker 1: with instincts, he's been physical, he's tackled. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: done all things. Intercepted passes, you know he did. He's
Speaker 1: doing things that when Shaun Lee was healthy. Shawn Lee
Speaker 1: and I get it, folks, Shaun Lee's not the same
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. But I still think. I still think having
Speaker 1: options where guys that can make tackles and Sean Lee
Speaker 1: can make tackles, Sean Lee can make instinctual plays, Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee can create turnovers. That's why I wanted to play
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia because I've always those games against Philade. He's
Speaker 1: always made plays against these guys. Play four games and
Speaker 1: seventeen snaps in the fifth. Yeah, and he's got thirty
Speaker 1: five tackles. Yeah, so I trust tells me that's nine
Speaker 1: tackles a game. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to, you know, beat beat the caller down.
Speaker 1: I'm not. But I give me as many of those
Speaker 1: guys that I can get get and if it, if
Speaker 1: it's taken Laton, you know, Layton Vandersch. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: the first Washington game, I'm surprised that the game it
Speaker 1: was in Landover. I thought that was one of his
Speaker 1: worst games, to be honest with you, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he didn't get off blocksworth a damn in that game.
Speaker 1: You know which game? The game that the Washington game
Speaker 1: in Landover. I mean, that was not a great game
Speaker 1: for him, but if you watched by his standards, what
Speaker 1: we've seen nearly wasn't either. Yeah. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish love totally get it, totally get it. You know,
Speaker 1: been a great draft pick for this team, and it's
Speaker 1: been in a great addition to this team as far
Speaker 1: as playing. But Sean Lee, you know, let's be real
Speaker 1: careful about throwing dirt on him. Yeah, and look, fancye
Speaker 1: the future and it's exciting and it's the present right
Speaker 1: now too. But it's not the I think the caller
Speaker 1: mentioned Romo. It's not the same situation. This is not
Speaker 1: sitting Vanderesh down for zero snaps and having him hold
Speaker 1: a clipboard. I only had twenty one snapped in the
Speaker 1: Washington game. Yeah, there is nothing wrong with adding a
Speaker 1: guy who's been an All Pro in this league into
Speaker 1: a rotation that can't do anything but hurt help your group,
Speaker 1: not hurt your group. Yeah. I don't disagree. I don't
Speaker 1: see I don't see the downside of it. Give me
Speaker 1: as many yeah, right, give me as many players. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys can make plays. Let's see this
Speaker 1: defense with christ Shard and Rod Mirnelli has shown they've
Speaker 1: come up with some creative things to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know they play and think. Okay, think about this overall,
Speaker 1: David Irving, what have we got? What have you got
Speaker 1: from David Irving? So far? Like a two games? Nothing?
Speaker 1: Just will say nothing? Okay, what have you got from Taco?
Speaker 1: Really nothing? You am? I am I wrong about this?
Speaker 1: Really nothing? I mean he was a starter early, but
Speaker 1: what if he overall nothing? How about? How about what
Speaker 1: have you got from Randy Gregor? Thanks for proof for
Speaker 1: me this defense? I just named three guys that you
Speaker 1: would say, how I need something from these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: but you guys got you got guys like Ross and
Speaker 1: the Human log and and read. You know, these guys
Speaker 1: are making play Collins MALIEK Collins, Yeah, making plays, playing
Speaker 1: through stuff too. Yes, So Taco finally put a jersey on. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Got four snaps? Four snaps? Yeah? Four? See that's something saying.
Speaker 1: You know, this defense is playing well, you know with
Speaker 1: But give me I need more, guys, I mean more,
Speaker 1: give me Seawan Lee out there. I wish David. I
Speaker 1: wish David Irving was out there playing, you know, but
Speaker 1: he's not. Wish Taco was playing better, you know, but
Speaker 1: I may he's not. Speaking of Sean Lee. A note
Speaker 1: in my column that got delayed getting put up yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was the eight year anniversary of his breakout game
Speaker 1: in Indiana. Indiana. Yes, nine tackles and two interceptions of
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and one return thirty five yards for a
Speaker 1: touch at the end of the game. It was that
Speaker 1: that was early It was early second when, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: had brought him back that thing. Yeah, eight years ago.
Speaker 1: Eight there was twenty ten ye rookie season. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he really had fourteen years old back then. Probably. Let
Speaker 1: me just say this, if Sean Lee goes out there
Speaker 1: and flops around and doesn't do his job, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: will be the first one to admit he doesn't have it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not ready, but I'm not ready that I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the field. Shaun Lee is not gonna
Speaker 1: sit there. Why is this such a and but well
Speaker 1: the hot topic because again they see a guy they
Speaker 1: think Manoresh's fans think he's gonna be in all pro
Speaker 1: any any any made one day. And he might be
Speaker 1: a pro bowler this year, who knows. But by the way,
Speaker 1: also Shawn Lee didn't practice yesterday. No, that's that's not good.
Speaker 1: It's gonna play. I mean, this is a discussion that
Speaker 1: probably could carry over to next week. Oh sure, but
Speaker 1: brought up about Shawn Lee. Yeah, you know, and and
Speaker 1: I I understand. I understand folks passion for Layton Vanderish
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith. You know, I get it. They're they're
Speaker 1: playing great. Every time we do a post game show,
Speaker 1: it's ten tackles, nine tackles, Yeah, twelve tackles, eleven tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean, these two guys are playing really, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to add it. Maybe a nine tackle guy
Speaker 1: to all this too, you know, another guy that could
Speaker 1: potentially get you. I mean, I don't quite get that.
Speaker 1: People get hung up on the starting stigma. It's just
Speaker 1: different than quarterback. You can't make the same comparison. You know,
Speaker 1: Romo never played another snap until Phil was decided. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's different. Different. Nineteen eighty nine, they were down the
Speaker 1: tubes already, and Jimmy decided that it was time to
Speaker 1: start Tony Tilbert at defensive end. We're looking for next year, right,
Speaker 1: And who was playing there? Ed two tall Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was gonna get benched and his starting streak
Speaker 1: was gonna end. And you never seen more fear in
Speaker 1: the media about how can you do this to Ed?
Speaker 1: Two Tall, Jones, Data Da Jimmy finally threw up his hands,
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, Ed'll start. I think he played the
Speaker 1: first series that Tilbert would played the wrist and it
Speaker 1: was like, what's the you know? And Ed was he
Speaker 1: was embarrassed by it. Yeah, it was like he knew
Speaker 1: he was done. Yeah, Shan Lee will be the same way.
Speaker 1: If he gets down to the point where Shaun Lee
Speaker 1: doesn't make a range play or missus a tacklin space,
Speaker 1: or doesn't cover line cover running back out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee will be the first one to tell Layton
Speaker 1: vanderish you go play today. I mean, he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of pride and all that, but Shaun Lee's a
Speaker 1: team player. He's done nothing but trying to help. And
Speaker 1: Layton Vanders said that yesterday so much in the locker room,
Speaker 1: told us he's a big brother to me. I feel
Speaker 1: I've known him my whole life. That's how supportive Sean
Speaker 1: has been to Layton so far this year. Absolutely, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee understands trying to win. He knows he I bet
Speaker 1: you he knows what the situation is. I'll guarantee you
Speaker 1: that he knows what the situation is. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: ever had a player coach layer coach, a player, a
Speaker 1: player who Alslow was on the coaching staff like Dane
Speaker 1: want to, Dan was, Yeah, I think Shan Lee is
Speaker 1: heading for that role. Yeah, I mean he's basically coaching now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think Sean I wouldn't be surprised if we
Speaker 1: have a situation where Shaan Lee is a player coach. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a coach. He's that Northwestern guy. You
Speaker 1: know who the head coaching Northwest Kennedy Page, Pat fitz Gerald.
Speaker 1: He's Pat Fitzgerald. If Shaun Lee gets the coaching, he
Speaker 1: will become Pat Fitzgerald. He'll go someplace. Team will be prepared,
Speaker 1: they'll be tough, they'll they'll have they'll have high quality kids.
Speaker 1: He will make sure a program. He's Pat Fitzgerald if
Speaker 1: he coaches. All right, you know who else in the
Speaker 1: state has their eyes open for? Yeah? Why not John Lee?
Speaker 1: You know who else did it? Oh? Jerry Tubbs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerry Tubbs, that's right. Nineteen sixty that's sixty, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right. We will talk at you again tomorrow here
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