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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And here we are on a Thursday

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Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. This is Talking Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: Mickey with a fine salute as he settles in a

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Speaker 1: grand entrance. I tried a grand entrance. He just got

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Speaker 1: here in time. Rob Phillips has been sitting here for

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Speaker 1: several moments anticipating the start of the show. Hello are

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Speaker 1: how are you? Rob? I'm great, I'm ready, I'm ready

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Speaker 1: all right. And then here's Brian. Brian has brought us

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Speaker 1: that did they send him to the emergency room? He's here,

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Speaker 1: he's here, he's in the emergency room. Is he really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What happened? Somebody attacked Twitter? I think? Oh? Oh, Here

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Speaker 1: he comes. He's in the virtually here he is. Here

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Speaker 1: we go in the grand entrance. Here he is. They're great.

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, joins us here on talking Cowboys. How

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Speaker 1: we doing, guys? Good? How you doing? Are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you any better? No? Oh, no, I'm not. I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard you don't even have your phone, do you? Nope? Gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's why I hate Twitter. I hate Twitter, folks. I

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Speaker 1: hate Twitter. I gotta go. How are you folks that

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Speaker 1: answer or send me questions? I appreciate you. I hate Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I've taken the Mickey Spagnola approach. He's lying. No, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't. This is I told Derek Eagleton, this is

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Speaker 1: my opportunity to delete Twitter now. I'm done. Too many

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Speaker 1: people rely on you, buddy. No, you have to be

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Speaker 1: at one forty in the morning while I sleep. Some

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Speaker 1: robot got me or something. I apologize to the Russians.

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Speaker 1: It might be Mickey. I didn't want to point the

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Speaker 1: finger at them. Right now. What happened to your Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Bill, I haven't looked. I'm afraid to look

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Speaker 1: at it. Don't you might get the virus. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: gotta get off it. Yeah exactly. There's something. There's something

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Speaker 1: weird about that thing going on room. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's me. It's yeah, it's awful. And I apologize to

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Speaker 1: all you folks to follow me. I apologize, I really

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Speaker 1: really do. I did not your fault. I didn't mean

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Speaker 1: to ruin your evening. So did people put like weird

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Speaker 1: stuff out? Know what happened? It was like a robot,

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Speaker 1: just a repetitive message, just the same one. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I was to be honest, I'm so grateful it wasn't

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Speaker 1: any derogatory racially remarks any and that stuff something that

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Speaker 1: I would that it's not me, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: a thing. And so this is my this is my

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Speaker 1: way of never having to deal with Twitter again. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea. I appreciate that close up Kent

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Speaker 1: right there, folks, What are you looking at? I just

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Speaker 1: looked at his Twitter and what are you seeing? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, it it does not it has it

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Speaker 1: doesn't it? What was your image that you had? It

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Speaker 1: might picture of me and Bennett in San Francisco. So

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Speaker 1: it's an alid blank or yeah, it has to be

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Speaker 1: an egg. I don't know what they are now. It's

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Speaker 1: just a person like immersive silhouette of a person. Might passwords,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah I would, yeah, I would. Next it

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Speaker 1: has a dot and a check mark, yeah, which is verified. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to not be verified anymore. This this This

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Speaker 1: makes me so mad. This makes me mad. I just

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Speaker 1: and I don't mean to start. Here are five minutes

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Speaker 1: and a showing bitching about Twitter. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: hate it. I hate it with people. You know, people,

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Speaker 1: but you but no, no, no people. How you enjoy

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Speaker 1: answering people's questions? Right? I do, but they're But the

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Speaker 1: problem is when it when it when it back? You

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Speaker 1: know when it when it when it gets to the the

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Speaker 1: point where now someone's timeline is completely jacked because of

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Speaker 1: my stuff. That's not that's not what kind of crap

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Speaker 1: is that. That's where I'm mad. I'm mad because people

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Speaker 1: are looking at going, oh brought us you got hacked?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know it. I got hacked. I

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Speaker 1: woke up this morning. I got hacked. And then then

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Speaker 1: you try and get it with Twitter. I'm sorry, this

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Speaker 1: is Mickey's minute. Can't give me it. Hit the sounder, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's play. Hit the sounder. Bays brought us those two minutes.

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Speaker 1: I don't have it. I'm locked out of that machine

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Speaker 1: right now. You got that, Yeah, I got the issues.

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Speaker 1: You got the virus too, exactly happening around. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: try and change my password and Twitter says, oh, you've

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Speaker 1: to him today to try and figure out Jason, Garrett channone,

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Speaker 1: it's not Garrett channone? What's that? What's that? Barabotic? I

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Speaker 1: got this? Yeah, don't worry about Twitter's on fire of hell?

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Speaker 1: Is he better today, Shannon? Yeah, I don't know he

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Speaker 1: he was. I don't making his whole building's fault. It

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Speaker 1: was out falling. Yeah, it's falling down around. It's a

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Speaker 1: bad omen for Cowboys, Eagles. I hope it's because I

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Speaker 1: apologize everybody out there for coming in. They're all pissed off.

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Speaker 1: My bad. Well, it's understandable. Yeah, I just don't. I

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Speaker 1: hate it when it makes other people's lives kind of

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Speaker 1: what they kind of look like, what what do they

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Speaker 1: have to do with all that? You know? I don't

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Speaker 1: want to so they got to get rid of broad Us.

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Speaker 1: They should so they don't get a bad tweet. They should.

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Speaker 1: They should have many followers? Did you have? I'll say

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Speaker 1: it past tense now that you have kid. I didn't

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Speaker 1: because it was closing in on one hundred k. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting that we bring this up off the top because

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you know what

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Speaker 1: has what has been your most liked or retweeted tweet?

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Speaker 1: It's always stuff to do with the draft, right, people

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Speaker 1: love the draft. Do you remember about how many it

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Speaker 1: might too? I don't, but I just it's anything to

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Speaker 1: do with the draft. Folks love the draft. How would

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Speaker 1: you know that? Well, you just you tweet something and

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Speaker 1: then it shows you the number of people who have

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Speaker 1: I had a tweet this week about Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy finalists. Right, and somebody there was somebody with

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Speaker 1: a lot of followers who must have retweeted it because

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Speaker 1: it has two thousand, two hundred nine likes on it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: which is I mean? For me, I've got like eighteen

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Speaker 1: so many Japanese followers, and I guarantee you it had

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Speaker 1: like three thousand retweets and head, Hey, that's whatever. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: so with you with one hundred thousand followers in the trap,

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Speaker 1: there had to be so many. We're gonna get this

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Speaker 1: appreciate that because because we need you on there, because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, draft related stuff even this season, like

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Speaker 1: just pisses me off. Yeah, fix, I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: counter was on there. Yeah, so, Mickey, no telling how

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Speaker 1: many you've had absolutely yeah, Eagles, right, Oh, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know followers I didn't know likes. Yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing people like what I do and

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Speaker 1: somebody has a derogatory comment about me and I say

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Speaker 1: bye bye, and then everybody thinks, ha ha, that's funny.

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite. I always like that one too. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, since you're no longer on Twitter, Brian,

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Speaker 1: you can't see this remark, but Reuben Cardona says, sorry

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Speaker 1: to hear you don't like Twitter anymore. Yeah, just so

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Speaker 1: you know, I really appreciate you answering my dumb questions.

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Speaker 1: You don't have dumb questions, Trueman. I appreciate your questions.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, Eagles, everybody doing great. Give us

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Speaker 1: enough for that. Give us an injury update, Mickey, what

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Speaker 1: do you know? I'm sorry about that. Took ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's way too long for that. Go ahead and make you. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think the most critical ones are that think about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me think about it. Jump, I'm sorry, he limited, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so that was a step in the right direction. Cole Beasley,

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Speaker 1: able to practice. And Zach Martin was listed as full

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Speaker 1: so that I don't want to say that's a good thing,

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Speaker 1: but it's not an injury. Yeah, And the Eagles have

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Speaker 1: their problems also, by the way, to walk through yesterday,

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Speaker 1: to walk through, well, Jalen Mills couldn't walk through. Yeah, Maddox,

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Speaker 1: They're compromised there. This is this is where this game

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Speaker 1: is going to hinge for me. In the secondary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You get some protection. Again, we talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Bill if Mickey's offensive line can hold up in this

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Speaker 1: do believe that that. And it might be early to

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Speaker 1: to run the football a little bit. The team always

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Speaker 1: strives for balance, but it might be the good plan

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Speaker 1: to go early pass and try and get some things

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Speaker 1: going that way with a secondary. It just comes down

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Speaker 1: to finishing drives, though talked about it yesterday. Been awful

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Speaker 1: talked about that yesterday. In the league, in finishing drives,

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Speaker 1: goal to goal situations, Philly hasn't been great at it either.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we talked to Cold Easily about things yesterday. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know that we're happy to win the game,

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Speaker 1: win the Saints game last week, but offensively, we were

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Speaker 1: frustrated with the way we played. Didn't score enough points

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Speaker 1: and so there wasn't and it was a weird vibe

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Speaker 1: had that happening. How much how much do you think

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Speaker 1: It's fair, all right. Justin Byerley on Twitter asked the question, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: can you talk about the difference Noah Brown has made

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Speaker 1: Noah Brown. They need to throw the ball to Noah

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Speaker 1: about Noah Brown. Noah Brown has some Noah Brown's better

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Speaker 1: They've you know, they've used him in some things where

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Speaker 1: some linebackers out or took them taking the safety out

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Speaker 1: Brown is not a bad option. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: they've got this is the problem that the Eagles are

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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are I think the Cowboys are better

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Speaker 1: equipped to cover the Eagles than they are the Eagles

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Speaker 1: cover the Cowboys in this one. Yeah, because Noah Brown

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Speaker 1: should be a part of that. And you are seeing

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Speaker 1: a little more of Noah Brown when they go multi

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Speaker 1: receiver sets. He's out there. I think he's His snap

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Speaker 1: tootals have exceeded Alan Hearns in the last couple of games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Not one hundred percent on that, but

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Speaker 1: but I think we're seeing more and more of him

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Speaker 1: out there. And it's not just on running plays. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about what he can do some of those

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Speaker 1: crackback blocks on on some runs, especially when Cam Fleming's

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Speaker 1: playing left tackle. Yeah, how old is Noah Brown? Twenty

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Speaker 1: two man? Any other guesses. Yeah, he did definitely came

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Speaker 1: out early twenty two two. He's twenty one. Okay, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't turn twenty two until a month from now in

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Speaker 1: January sixth. He think it's twenty two. Yeah, I mean, oh,

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Speaker 1: I checked that he is twenty two. I'm sorry, my

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Speaker 1: so he's twenty two years old. He'd be twenty two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's still See this is where it's this young.

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Speaker 1: This is where the Cowboys. Think about this. Now, if

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Speaker 1: think about your receivers. Get Noah Brown going twenty two

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Speaker 1: years old, Michael Gallup? How do you think Michael Gallups

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Speaker 1: twenty two years old? Twenty one years old? Maybe? Maybe? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That the guy who's your number one receiver. Now he's

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Speaker 1: what twenty four? Think about this. I give you another

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Speaker 1: name that I had even thought about. Uh, Danny Serek

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Speaker 1: Wilson that they like, and he got hurt and he's

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Speaker 1: on IR this year. Yeah, but that's another guy who's

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Speaker 1: going to compete next year. Yeah, that's to me that

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Speaker 1: this is you know, it went from a team that

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Speaker 1: And Gallup is twenty two. He is two months younger

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Speaker 1: than Noah Brown. Yeah, there you go. So Noah Brown

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Speaker 1: the last two games twenty and twenty one snaps turns

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Speaker 1: thirty two and sixteen six sixteen sixteen. Yeah, but you're

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Speaker 1: gonna need him if he can't go. But his snaps

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Speaker 1: to help on that edge. Speaking of snaps, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: Is that what I'm hearing from everyone the masses Twitter verse? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when did he come off the field last week? He

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were very creative last week.

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Speaker 1: It felt like that, It felt like that Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: Now you break it out in one of those games,

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Speaker 1: were to hit the rookie wall, then you have a

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00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: guy like Sean Lee there to kind of pick up

633
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: the pieces if that happened. You think that's a real thing.

634
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: The wall my experience of rookies, yes, I think it's

635
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: a real thing. I really really do. And now there's

636
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: some players that that manage to fight through it. And

637
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, but you see the level of play. Does

638
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: winning help you get through that rookie wall? I think

639
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: it does. I think it does. But but these guys,

640
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to condition yourself to play. You

641
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: ask Layton Vanderish right now how he feels. He'll probably saw,

642
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. But you know, ask him two

643
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: weeks from now. How you know he's been in a

644
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: lot of car rex. I mean if you look at

645
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: him making a lot of tackles and having to play

646
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps, and you know, I'm sure he's

647
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, thinking like I'm a young guy. But you know,

648
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: there comes a point in time too. You have to

649
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: fight through that a little bit. Not only he's ready

650
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: to take finals and take a month off. That's right,

651
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you do when you're Yeah, you're

652
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: college football player. You're trying to get trying to get

653
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: ready for the Holiday Bowl. It's thought, especially the position

654
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: he plays, like he said, I mean, it's it's the

655
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: most high impact position other than running back, which, by

656
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: the way, Zeke said, this is the best Wednesday he's

657
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: felt in weeks. So because he had a long weekend.

658
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: Nobody needed it more than Zeke. I think, all right,

659
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: I bet the quarterback needed it. Yeah, you ask him no,

660
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: but he'd been sacked seventeen times in four games. What

661
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: are we doing about that? Mickey? Um, I mean, I know,

662
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm asking I got to get better. That's a terrible

663
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: question to ask you. It's a terrible stat to have

664
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Speaker 1: to point out. Do you think that's gonna be that's

665
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: still one? Is that gonna be the downfall of this

666
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: team at the end? Not protecting the quarterback? Yeah? Yeah?

667
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: Is that going to be the one thing that oak

668
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: this defense? Is playing Gray? Oh, the receivers looks like

669
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: we're getting something with a Maury Cooper here had a

670
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: guy left, I think, come up and tell me that

671
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: more than half of those sacks are on deck. I

672
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: said half. Seriously, I don't know about that. Now, don't

673
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: go that route. You know, if you are going to

674
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: make a playoff run, you've got to have him. Last week,

675
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: for sure, I thought, you've got to be able to

676
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: finish drives. However, that happens, and that's a part of it,

677
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: because when they've gotten down, I think two of the

678
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: situations they got in the red zone or one in

679
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: each of the last two games they've won, it's been

680
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: a sack that's pushed him either out of field goal

681
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: range or knocked him back into a field goal situation.

682
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Or a run first down run for a loss. Yeah,

683
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: or uh, missed pass in the end zone to a

684
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: wide open guy or a drop in the end Yeah,

685
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of different things. Why did he miss

686
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: that guy? A little bit of pressure, guy was barren

687
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: down on him and he was having to back pedal

688
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: and just threw the ball up to say from getting sacked.

689
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: Been a lot of reasons for it, but yeah, they

690
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: got to drop past drive. You gotta be able to

691
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: more points in the playoffs. If you get there. Worried

692
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: more about the sacks of the red zone offense. I

693
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: think they go handed. That's kind of what I was saying,

694
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of goes handed, I understand. But if you had

695
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: to pick one, I know they go hand in hand.

696
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: But it fix one first. Fix one for me, I'd

697
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: say fixed the sacks. They're winning games getting sacked, which

698
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: is incredible that the red zone offense they could put

699
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: people away if they could just finish some damn drives

700
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: or figure out how to get them in. Yeah. It's like,

701
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: can I run it in there? Or are they stack

702
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: in the box where I have to come up with

703
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: some gingerbread play to get it in there? Half back

704
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: pass yeah yeah, or let the tight end on a

705
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: round throw it you know. Yeah, I just I both

706
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: of them are troubling to me. I just the sacks

707
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: that's troubling. I mean, it's like having a penalty, yeah,

708
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: and you don't get them down and you don't get

709
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: the down or you're better holding at least you get this.

710
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: This is gonna go down as one of the most

711
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: sacked teams in Cowboy history. Am I write about that?

712
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: What's the record? You know it was in the fifties,

713
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I want to say, and there, and of course they

714
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: didn't start keeping sacks until nineteen eighty two, so it's

715
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty two on that we actually know the enough.

716
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: This is not a Steve Pollard Danny White thing. I

717
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: think it's a Steve Pelard thing. Yeah, well in eighty nine,

718
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: eighty nine, yeah, you know, yea seven in one game.

719
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: I just that was nineteen nine, that was ninety yeah,

720
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Yeah, but he was getting knocked around.

721
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: How do you fix the red zone stuff? Then? How

722
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: do you fix that? Do you have to come up

723
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: with better plays or do you have to execute better

724
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: when you get back. I think a lot of it's

725
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: been execution. Like I said, the Washington game, little pressure,

726
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Noel Brown, wide open. I know people think they get

727
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: past happy down there, and I you know, I'd like

728
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: to see them just hand the ball your best player more.

729
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: But on one I think on one of these red

730
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: zone drives here last games, he got a like minus

731
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: one or it was a one yard game, and then

732
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: Dak winds up getting sacked. I want to say it

733
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: might have been the Tennessee game when they had those

734
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: opportunities seventeen I want to say the first play, first

735
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: and goal at the four turned into first and goal

736
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: at the six. On the sacks. The Cowboys actually have

737
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: kept the sack totals going back all the way to

738
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty apparently because they have a in the record book.

739
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: The most sacks by an opponent in a season was

740
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: sixty eight in nineteen sixty four, according to the Cowboys

741
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: media gain about after and in nineteen eighty six with

742
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: an asterisk by it, sixty sacks, so they're at forty

743
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: five right now. The asterisk is probably because Danny White

744
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: got hurt the second half of the season and then

745
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Steve eighty six was it? When was the strike? Say, okay,

746
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: eighty six eighty six? Because that's official, maybe they make

747
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna get my glasses. No, I'm saying that.

748
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I just an official stat at that point. I just

749
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: hope that's not the thing that derails this team, that

750
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: they can't protect it, because they can't protect the quarterback

751
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: enough to to win these games they need to down

752
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: the stretch. But they've been giving up sacks and winning.

753
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: So that's probably why the asterisk is there, because it's

754
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: an officials in officials, Yeah, yeah, well, giving up sacks

755
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: and as long as your defense is playing at an

756
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: elite level, that's holding teams to what you're holding them too. Yeah.

757
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: But see, but there's gonna be times where your defense

758
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: is going to be challenged. I mean, so you got

759
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: to be able to match them. In twenty seven points

760
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: in this first game against Philly, that's you know, you

761
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: need to get something like that every game you scored

762
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I'm sorry, Mickey, go ahead. I was gonna

763
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: say no. When you're getting sacked that much, you're encouraging

764
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: teams to continue to blitch you. You've got to make

765
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: them pay for those blitz as you can allow. And

766
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: that last game, the Saints started coming. They were coming. Yeah,

767
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: and that's where that screen comes in. Yeah. One touchdown

768
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: they got was that screen to zeke More. Screens always

769
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: seems to work. The screens. Screens are good, especially on

770
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: your house. Can you win this game scoring just twenty

771
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: four points? This game coming up? Yeah? You think twenty three?

772
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: That wasn't going to be my scorer already? All right,

773
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: we do that tomorrow? Right? Oh okay, I jumped, But Rob,

774
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: can you win this game just scoring twenty four points?

775
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: I think the defense has shown that they Yeah, but

776
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: I'd feel more comfortable if you're pushing more to thirty.

777
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I think this offense is I think this office is

778
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: capable of that with Cooper, now with Zeke, and I mean,

779
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: they are capable of scoring more than they had earlier

780
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: in the season. But if you look at the numbers,

781
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: you say, I think the defense could hold them Eagles

782
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: to twenty with all the weapons. I know, we talked

783
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: about it this way. It's gonna be tough because they're

784
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna give up some plays. Probably. Did you guys think

785
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: they were gonna split this series when you looked at

786
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: this on paper to start the year annually? Did you

787
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: think the home win home road loss kind of a thing?

788
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: I go into every season thinking it's gonna be three

789
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and three record just on the division. Yeah, you pretty

790
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: much are gonna split somehow with every team more or less.

791
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking last night, and I was pumping

792
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: how good the a NFC South was. It's a freaking

793
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: train wreck over there, you know. Yeah, I'm tired and

794
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing the the NFC East the worst

795
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: division in football. Oh no, the the the NFC South

796
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: is bad. Than how good's the AFC East. Yeah, well,

797
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the teams down our argument about

798
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: that he gets six he gets six games every year.

799
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the game is having to win,

800
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're having the games, are having to win.

801
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: I was thinking four and two in the because your point,

802
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: Atlanta has slipped, Carolina has slipped. Yeah, Tampa has struggled. Yeah,

803
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: you beat New Orleans. How good the North? Well that's

804
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: Bears are slipping. Yeah, Packers faded away again. I'm just

805
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: viking focusing on the teams you're playing. Yeah, I know,

806
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that that if I see that

807
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: one more time about well, the NFC East the worst season.

808
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: This is where you need to play Carolina now, Yeah,

809
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: instead of playing instead of playing an opening day, this

810
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: is where you need and you can't help your schedule

811
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: to place East Carolina. This is where you know, this

812
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: is where you need to play Tennessee. You know that

813
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of bit. But that's what happens. That's what I have.

814
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: A young team. Maybe it rows as you go along.

815
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: I make You're right about this offensive line stuff, though,

816
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm worried about that. I'm worried about the sacks. I'm

817
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: worried about that costs them a game, you know, sacks.

818
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: With forty five sacks through twelve games, they are on

819
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: a pace to match that official record of sixty sacks.

820
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Because it's not just the sacks, it's also Dak has

821
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: he just fumbles for it. It's not always on him.

822
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just right. You're right, you're got to

823
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: protect the ball better. Or why is he having to

824
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: protect the ball because he's running for his life or

825
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: the guard gets pushed back into him and raises his

826
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Speaker 1: hand as he's pulling the ball down and knocks the

827
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Speaker 1: were talking sacks earlier. That nineteen eighty six season, Danny

921
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Speaker 1: White had a He was leading the league in passing

922
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Speaker 1: the first six starts of the season. He was only

923
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Speaker 1: sacked ten times in those six starts. He didn't suffered

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Speaker 1: a season ending injury, and then Steve Puller took over

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Speaker 1: and the rest, as they say, is history. In the

926
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Speaker 1: final nine starts of the season, Steve Puluer was sacked

927
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Speaker 1: a total of forty seven times. That's five times a game.

928
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Speaker 1: That is a rate of what would be eighty four

929
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Speaker 1: sacks for a sixteen game season. And that's why that

930
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Speaker 1: season went downhill in a hurry. Danny White missed the game,

931
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: he didn't get to start the first eight. He missed

932
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Speaker 1: the Denver game, and it was a surprise to everybody here.

933
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Speaker 1: We come out and Steve Pelluer's got a start. Well,

934
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Speaker 1: what happened to Danny White? Well, they were running sprints

935
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Speaker 1: during the walkthrough on Saturday before they left, and they

936
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Speaker 1: were practicing special teams and Danny White was running down

937
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Speaker 1: to get some conditioning in and he pulls a hamstring.

938
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Speaker 1: So how much did he play in that game? He

939
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Speaker 1: did not start against Denver, okay, because he had seven games,

940
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: six starts. So my point is if he played significantly

941
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: in that game. He missed two starts, okay, in the

942
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: first eight okay, and then that was the ninth game

943
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Speaker 1: and he got knocked out. I want to say it

944
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: was the third quarter. Okay. Yeah, all right, let's go

945
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: to Joe in Annapolis. You're next up here on Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Joe Gifts. Jensen's an honor to share the line with

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Speaker 1: you guys, A huge fan of the listening for a

948
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Speaker 1: long time. Um, I got a couple of things and

949
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Speaker 1: then a question for all you guys. So the one

950
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Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season, all my avvy Cowboys

951
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Speaker 1: fans called me crazy for predicting this team to go

952
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Speaker 1: to the NFC title game, predicted them to go that

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Speaker 1: way because it seems to be when Edward oh No

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Speaker 1: fired he surprises us in some kind of way. So

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Speaker 1: I still hold onto my prediction that they will make

956
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Speaker 1: it to the title game. And the second thing I

957
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Speaker 1: wanted to say is, I don't understand why the idea

958
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Speaker 1: of fifty five coming off the field is a good

959
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: idea for any kind of notation. I was in Tenants

960
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Speaker 1: as the game and land over here in Maryland, and

961
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: when he was off the field, there were a couple

962
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Speaker 1: of minus tackles and the Redskins scored their only offensive

963
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Speaker 1: touchdown of the game, and we were all in the

964
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Speaker 1: stands wondering why the heck was number fifty five off

965
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Speaker 1: of the field when he has been the team's the

966
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Speaker 1: best tackler off season, and we're going off in history,

967
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: why didn't Tony Romo get his shot back? Shan Lee

968
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: has not been shan Lee of the old He has

969
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: not been playing at that level. Layton Vanderish has been

970
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: playing better than shan Lee. And the last thing I

971
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Speaker 1: will say is has anyone ever asked Dak Prescott about

972
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Speaker 1: wearing any kind of like hand gloves or anything like that,

973
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: because he seemed to be clumsy with the football from

974
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Speaker 1: time to time. And I appreciate all you guys and

975
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: I will hang up and listen. He needs some stick

976
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Speaker 1: them right, needs to see Fred yeah back in the day,

977
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Speaker 1: or who was the dB that had it, Lustra Hayes,

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Speaker 1: Buster Hayes. Not only all over his hands, is everywhere?

979
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Speaker 1: Number thirty seven, he had all over his number and

980
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Speaker 1: stuff to cut it down his jersey so he could

981
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Speaker 1: wipe his hands and get some more. Shaun Lee not

982
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: playing well, I know about play well. We all kind

983
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: of cringed when we saw that, right, Shaun Lee's been hurt.

984
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest there. I mean, I'm not honest.

985
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: That's that's fact. Make you got those stats over there,

986
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Well he's got he's got thirty five tackles, and I

987
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: bet he's only played five games. Maybe yeah, you know,

988
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: and I nobody, nobody appreciates what Layton Vanderass done more

989
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: than me. I know everybody in this room appreciates Layton

990
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Vanderish learning curve very small. He's come in, he's played

991
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: with instincts, he's been physical, he's tackled. I mean, he's

992
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: done all things. Intercepted passes, you know he did. He's

993
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: doing things that when Shaun Lee was healthy. Shawn Lee

994
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: and I get it, folks, Shaun Lee's not the same

995
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. But I still think. I still think having

996
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: options where guys that can make tackles and Sean Lee

997
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: can make tackles, Sean Lee can make instinctual plays, Shaun

998
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Lee can create turnovers. That's why I wanted to play

999
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia because I've always those games against Philade. He's

1000
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: always made plays against these guys. Play four games and

1001
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: seventeen snaps in the fifth. Yeah, and he's got thirty

1002
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: five tackles. Yeah, so I trust tells me that's nine

1003
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: tackles a game. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to.

1004
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to, you know, beat beat the caller down.

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00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: I'm not. But I give me as many of those

1006
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Speaker 1: guys that I can get get and if it, if

1007
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: it's taken Laton, you know, Layton Vandersch. I mean, hey,

1008
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: the first Washington game, I'm surprised that the game it

1009
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: was in Landover. I thought that was one of his

1010
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: worst games, to be honest with you, you know, I

1011
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: mean he didn't get off blocksworth a damn in that game.

1012
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: You know which game? The game that the Washington game

1013
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: in Landover. I mean, that was not a great game

1014
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: for him, but if you watched by his standards, what

1015
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: we've seen nearly wasn't either. Yeah. So I mean, you know,

1016
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderish love totally get it, totally get it. You know,

1017
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: been a great draft pick for this team, and it's

1018
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: been in a great addition to this team as far

1019
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: as playing. But Sean Lee, you know, let's be real

1020
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: careful about throwing dirt on him. Yeah, and look, fancye

1021
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: the future and it's exciting and it's the present right

1022
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: now too. But it's not the I think the caller

1023
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Speaker 1: mentioned Romo. It's not the same situation. This is not

1024
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: sitting Vanderesh down for zero snaps and having him hold

1025
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Speaker 1: a clipboard. I only had twenty one snapped in the

1026
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: Washington game. Yeah, there is nothing wrong with adding a

1027
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: guy who's been an All Pro in this league into

1028
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: a rotation that can't do anything but hurt help your group,

1029
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: not hurt your group. Yeah. I don't disagree. I don't

1030
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: see I don't see the downside of it. Give me

1031
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: as many yeah, right, give me as many players. It's like,

1032
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, the guys can make plays. Let's see this

1033
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: defense with christ Shard and Rod Mirnelli has shown they've

1034
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: come up with some creative things to do. I mean,

1035
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: you know they play and think. Okay, think about this overall,

1036
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: David Irving, what have we got? What have you got

1037
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: from David Irving? So far? Like a two games? Nothing?

1038
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: Just will say nothing? Okay, what have you got from Taco?

1039
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Speaker 1: Really nothing? You am? I am I wrong about this?

1040
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Really nothing? I mean he was a starter early, but

1041
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: what if he overall nothing? How about? How about what

1042
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: have you got from Randy Gregor? Thanks for proof for

1043
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: me this defense? I just named three guys that you

1044
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: would say, how I need something from these guys, you know,

1045
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: but you guys got you got guys like Ross and

1046
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Speaker 1: the Human log and and read. You know, these guys

1047
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: are making play Collins MALIEK Collins, Yeah, making plays, playing

1048
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: through stuff too. Yes, So Taco finally put a jersey on. Yeah?

1049
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: Got four snaps? Four snaps? Yeah? Four? See that's something saying.

1050
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Speaker 1: You know, this defense is playing well, you know with

1051
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: But give me I need more, guys, I mean more,

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00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: give me Seawan Lee out there. I wish David. I

1053
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: wish David Irving was out there playing, you know, but

1054
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: he's not. Wish Taco was playing better, you know, but

1055
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: I may he's not. Speaking of Sean Lee. A note

1056
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Speaker 1: in my column that got delayed getting put up yesterday.

1057
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Speaker 1: Yesterday was the eight year anniversary of his breakout game

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00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: in Indiana. Indiana. Yes, nine tackles and two interceptions of

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00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and one return thirty five yards for a

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00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: touch at the end of the game. It was that

1061
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: that was early It was early second when, Yeah, this

1062
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: had brought him back that thing. Yeah, eight years ago.

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00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: Eight there was twenty ten ye rookie season. Yeah, and

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00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: he really had fourteen years old back then. Probably. Let

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00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: me just say this, if Sean Lee goes out there

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00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: and flops around and doesn't do his job, Sean Lee

1067
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: will be the first one to admit he doesn't have it.

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00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not ready, but I'm not ready that I

1069
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the field. Shaun Lee is not gonna

1070
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: sit there. Why is this such a and but well

1071
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: the hot topic because again they see a guy they

1072
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: think Manoresh's fans think he's gonna be in all pro

1073
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: any any any made one day. And he might be

1074
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: a pro bowler this year, who knows. But by the way,

1075
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: also Shawn Lee didn't practice yesterday. No, that's that's not good.

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00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna play. I mean, this is a discussion that

1077
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: probably could carry over to next week. Oh sure, but

1078
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: brought up about Shawn Lee. Yeah, you know, and and

1079
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: I I understand. I understand folks passion for Layton Vanderish

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00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith. You know, I get it. They're they're

1081
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: playing great. Every time we do a post game show,

1082
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: it's ten tackles, nine tackles, Yeah, twelve tackles, eleven tackles.

1083
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, these two guys are playing really, but you

1084
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: don't want to add it. Maybe a nine tackle guy

1085
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: to all this too, you know, another guy that could

1086
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: potentially get you. I mean, I don't quite get that.

1087
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: People get hung up on the starting stigma. It's just

1088
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: different than quarterback. You can't make the same comparison. You know,

1089
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: Romo never played another snap until Phil was decided. Yeah, yeah,

1090
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: it's different. Different. Nineteen eighty nine, they were down the

1091
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: tubes already, and Jimmy decided that it was time to

1092
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: start Tony Tilbert at defensive end. We're looking for next year, right,

1093
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: And who was playing there? Ed two tall Jones. Yeah,

1094
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: and he was gonna get benched and his starting streak

1095
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: was gonna end. And you never seen more fear in

1096
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: the media about how can you do this to Ed?

1097
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: Two Tall, Jones, Data Da Jimmy finally threw up his hands,

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, Ed'll start. I think he played the

1099
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: first series that Tilbert would played the wrist and it

1100
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: was like, what's the you know? And Ed was he

1101
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: was embarrassed by it. Yeah, it was like he knew

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: he was done. Yeah, Shan Lee will be the same way.

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00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: If he gets down to the point where Shaun Lee

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: doesn't make a range play or missus a tacklin space,

1105
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: or doesn't cover line cover running back out of the backfield,

1106
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee will be the first one to tell Layton

1107
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: vanderish you go play today. I mean, he's got a

1108
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of pride and all that, but Shaun Lee's a

1109
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: team player. He's done nothing but trying to help. And

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00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: Layton Vanders said that yesterday so much in the locker room,

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00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: told us he's a big brother to me. I feel

1112
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: I've known him my whole life. That's how supportive Sean

1113
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: has been to Layton so far this year. Absolutely, Sean

1114
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: Lee understands trying to win. He knows he I bet

1115
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you he knows what the situation is. I'll guarantee you

1116
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: that he knows what the situation is. If the Cowboys

1117
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: ever had a player coach layer coach, a player, a

1118
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: player who Alslow was on the coaching staff like Dane

1119
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: want to, Dan was, Yeah, I think Shan Lee is

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00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: heading for that role. Yeah, I mean he's basically coaching now. Yeah,

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: but I think Sean I wouldn't be surprised if we

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Speaker 1: have a situation where Shaan Lee is a player coach. Well,

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a coach. He's that Northwestern guy. You

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00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: know who the head coaching Northwest Kennedy Page, Pat fitz Gerald.

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00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: He's Pat Fitzgerald. If Shaun Lee gets the coaching, he

1126
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: will become Pat Fitzgerald. He'll go someplace. Team will be prepared,

1127
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: they'll be tough, they'll they'll have they'll have high quality kids.

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Speaker 1: He will make sure a program. He's Pat Fitzgerald if

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00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: he coaches. All right, you know who else in the

1130
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: state has their eyes open for? Yeah? Why not John Lee?

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: You know who else did it? Oh? Jerry Tubbs, Yeah,

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: Jerry Tubbs, that's right. Nineteen sixty that's sixty, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: All right. We will talk at you again tomorrow here

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Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas

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