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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe it's the last weekend of the

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Speaker 2: regular season right now? Does it feel like week eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Is it just me? Did that go by? I feel

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Speaker 2: like that went by fast.

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Speaker 3: It's like a day at school.

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Speaker 4: Math clag some some weeks take forever, like math class

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Speaker 4: took forever. But by the end of the day, he's like,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, what happened? I just got here?

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Speaker 2: I just blinked. I mean, and we actually have really

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Speaker 2: good games today, you guys. We have an AFC North

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Speaker 2: Saturday kicking off in about thirty minutes, Browns at Ravens,

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Speaker 2: and if Ravens win today, they win the division. Plus

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson keeps sneaking up that MVP favorite race. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna get to that in just a little bit, and

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Speaker 2: if he puts on a show today, I think you

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Speaker 2: might snag it. We also have Bengals at Steelers in

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Speaker 2: a couple of hours. Steelers are locked in, but Bengals

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Speaker 2: a lot to play for, you guys. They need a

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Speaker 2: win if they want any chance of stealing that last

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Speaker 2: wildcard spot. But also a lot of other things have

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Speaker 2: to kind of go their way, right, It's not just

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Speaker 2: a win. They need a lot of other people to lose.

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Speaker 3: They needed a little four leg parlay.

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Speaker 4: You know, they need a little Dolphins loss, a little

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Speaker 4: a little Broncos loss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. They're going to Vegas just who hope

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Speaker 2: and they're lucky. We got a great show for you

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Speaker 2: guys today, You guys, We've got a Rashmakazi from the

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Speaker 2: Sporting Tribune joining us in about thirty minutes to talk

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Speaker 2: Rams and Chargers. We have the host of NFL and

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Speaker 2: Fox Podcast, Dave Hellman in hour two, executive producer Patrick

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Speaker 2: with US Today Technical producer Chris Purfett, and then obviously

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Speaker 2: Martin Wise working double duty here. He's going to give

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Speaker 2: you the news updates and he's my co host. But

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Speaker 2: as I said earlier, we've got a very meaningful Week eighteen,

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Speaker 2: which is so much fun, not only for us but

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Speaker 2: for the NFL and these teams that really have something

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Speaker 2: to play for down to the last snap. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do a little segment called to rest or not

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Speaker 2: to rest, that is the question. Because we have a

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Speaker 2: few teams here, we've already locked in their seating and

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Speaker 2: start in Philly, where I think the biggest one is

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Speaker 2: the number two seed in the NFC, and they announced

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Speaker 2: this week that Saquon Barkley will not play on Sunday

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Speaker 2: We heard Eric Dickerson come out this week and share

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Speaker 2: that he did not want Saquon break yeah, to break

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Speaker 2: because we know every single athlete is thinking this every

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Speaker 2: But you could tell, like you could tell this week

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Speaker 5: He had a conversation, call me back, let me know

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Speaker 6: My reaction was kind of like I tell my family.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, my family probably wanted a little bit more to

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Speaker 6: And we're in the playoffs, so I got a bigger

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Speaker 5: I mean, he asked me if I wanted to play,

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Speaker 6: May never get another opportunity like that again.

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Speaker 5: So I'm down. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: He's a head coach for a reason. He makes the decisions,

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Speaker 5: and whatever decision he wanted to make, I let him.

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Speaker 2: It's so tough. I understand both sides, like you don't

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Speaker 2: Teammates were also really vocal about it. Landon Diggerson, I mean,

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Speaker 4: It's a tough decision, honestly, but I think it's the

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Speaker 4: They're lucky that this is the single season rushing record

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that should have been kind of our foreshadowing right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: This, I mean, listen, let's be clear.

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Speaker 4: I think if this was the four and thirteen or

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Speaker 3: He'd be playing.

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Speaker 4: But Sakwan wants to win a championship, something he didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole protection everyone.

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Speaker 4: If Kuan is gonna play lane and Lane Johnson wasn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just tough and like doing it against your

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Speaker 4: He had six games this year where he didn't rush

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Speaker 4: over one hundred yards. Yeah, there's no guarantee when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, but I feel like it's different

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Speaker 2: he was going to go in. I just if they

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Speaker 4: Well, the good thing is, you know, Nick Schiryani is

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Speaker 4: the utmost maturity and sincerity when dealing with all matters,

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Speaker 4: so I'm sure he's the perfect guy to be able

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, let's move on to the Bills, who have

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Speaker 2: also locked in the number two seed but in AFC,

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Speaker 2: and they are actually still going to start Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: I love that they're letting him go for it like this.

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Speaker 2: This feels right, But there's also a couple of things,

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Speaker 2: here for Josh Allen. Right, he's still the MVP favorite,

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Speaker 2: And now I know, I know there's so many people

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Speaker 2: look at the Josh Allen versus Lamar Jackson stats, obviously

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Speaker 2: Lamar is ahead and passing yards ahead and passing touchdowns

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Speaker 2: and head and passer rating. But can we also make

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Speaker 2: for himself as MVP.

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Speaker 4: You know, I also, you know, silly me, what Sunday night,

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be two teams playing for the one seed

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Speaker 4: and the other conference that doesn't have all these megastar quarterbacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they've lost a combined four games. Yeah, and by the

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Speaker 4: end of this day, those teams will be combined thirty

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Speaker 4: five and five. And you're gonna tell me that there's

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Speaker 4: no like, no one can even get consideration.

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Speaker 2: Insane, Yeah, insane.

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Speaker 3: I have a my MVP. I'm about to be raging?

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Speaker 2: Are you on the golf train?

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Speaker 4: I picked Jerry Golf to start the year, so I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at it probably from those different colored glasses.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 4: If Sam Donald beats the Lions on Sunday and the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings, who were.

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Speaker 3: The Minnesota Vikings win.

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Speaker 8: Told it was like sixty year talking about them, and

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Speaker 8: they are secretly the best team in the end, Like

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Speaker 8: not secretly, everyone knows they're just like under the radar

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Speaker 8: the best team in the NFL. You're telling me it's insane, Like,

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Speaker 8: how is nobody talking about it? I brought this up

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Speaker 8: because my husband's like a casual sports fan and he

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Speaker 8: listens and you watch this just because of me, and

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Speaker 8: he's like, huh, I didn't know the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: I could. No one's talking about it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, right, nobody, no, Look, nobody believes in

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Speaker 4: Sam Donald, which all right.

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Speaker 3: I was there too. I watched it. I saw him

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Speaker 4: But if you just dropped on the planet in September

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Speaker 2: It's still it's still been Josh Allen. Josh Allen literally

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Speaker 4: But by the time we get to this point, everybody's

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna give it to you, because

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Speaker 2: No, No, he has had one of the greatest comeback

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: And Sam Darnald's got the best receiver in football, yes,

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Speaker 3: It just you do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be resting all of

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Speaker 3: I just this is just what he does.

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Speaker 4: You got a Stafford and a Cup, two guys who Cooper.

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Speaker 4: I like it when guys plays. It's not baseball. You

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Speaker 2: Thank you for spending your Saturday afternoon with us. Guess

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Speaker 2: what came out this week the Pro Bowl rosters, and

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Speaker 2: I think there were a few big snubs. Martin, you

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Speaker 3: Uh? No, of course not. That's why they put it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're given us content, Thank you. This is directly

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Speaker 2: record in the NFL. He's the reason for that. How

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Speaker 2: is he not making the Pro Bowl. That's a little

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Speaker 2: crazy to me. I mean, this is your face of

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Speaker 2: the NFL. He is on a dynasty. I get why

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Speaker 2: the other three guys are there, obviously that Alan Lamar

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Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow stats wise are up there. But how

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Speaker 2: is the quarterback who is the best player in the league,

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Speaker 2: on the best team not in the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It makes no sense to me, honestly.

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Speaker 4: And I talked about this on my show on last

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Speaker 4: Saturday before the Pro Bowl I got announced, Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I said, I thought my three AFC Pro Bowl quarterback

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Speaker 4: should have been Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: And I know that Jackson Allen is like the favorite

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Speaker 4: for the MVP, but that's more of a look. MVP

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Speaker 4: is not Pro Bowl is raw statistics, Like that's why Burrow,

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Speaker 4: to me, should be starting the Pro Bowl Like this

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Speaker 4: raw statistics. What are you doing individually by yourself? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: MVP is what is your value to your team? Right,

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Speaker 4: Like Josh Allen's value make your team better exactly.

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Speaker 2: They would not be where they are without that point

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Now you look at Joe Burrow. His team is where

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Speaker 3: they are, and they have.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and he's been playing out of his freaking

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Speaker 2: mind and they're still enough.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I would have had Josh Allen probably like.

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Speaker 4: Out of the would have had him top three in

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Speaker 4: my voting one hundred percent, which might sound like it

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Speaker 4: not congruent, but makes sense in my head.

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Speaker 2: So boom, Patrick Mahomes makes no sense. Okay, who else

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Speaker 2: you got?

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Speaker 4: I think Kirby Joseph in the NFC should have made it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would not have a problem. I know the Lions

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Speaker 4: defense has been really bad. Brian Branch has been playing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of the bright spots what are

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Speaker 4: the like the only starters that's still healthy, but Kirby

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Speaker 4: Joseph the Lions safety in my opinion, Like, I mean's

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Speaker 4: he's leads. Look, he's got nine interceptions, leads the league

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Speaker 4: and interceptions and most of them big time moments like

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Speaker 4: he picked up with rock Party in that game changing

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Speaker 4: exact yeah right, gen games like and when you consider

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Speaker 4: the rest of the defense is gone injured.

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Speaker 2: Right, hy exactly, he helped turn it around.

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Speaker 3: That's what I said. So those two big snubs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Baker Mayfield I also think could be another snub here.

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Speaker 2: I get all the other starters, but tied. He's tied

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Speaker 2: for second in passing touchdowns, third and passing yards, fourth

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Speaker 2: and passer rating. I understand Jay Daniels is having a

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year season, but Baker is having the

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Speaker 2: best season of his career and in line to win

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Speaker 2: the NFC South again. And I don't think his team

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Speaker 2: would be here without him. I could see him on there.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Jay Dennis would be a pro bowler. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think he's had a ton of great moments. I

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Speaker 4: think he's Rookie of the years, But.

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Speaker 2: No, Baker.

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Speaker 3: It should have been Baker.

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Speaker 2: It should have been Baker. All right, your turn, tell

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Speaker 2: us what's trending?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Time for the update.

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Speaker 4: About to kick off now between the Ravens and the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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Speaker 4: Bailey's happy getting his first start this season. He's the

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Speaker 4: third quarterback in four weeks to start for Cleveland. He's

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Speaker 4: also the fortieth I believe quarterback to start for Cleveland

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Speaker 4: since nineteen ninety nine, So a lot of job. What

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Speaker 4: was that carousel going on there? Quarterback carrousel? There we go,

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Speaker 4: that's the word I was looking for. Later on, we'll

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Speaker 4: see another AFC North matchup the Bengals and the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: That's at five, I mean eight o'clock eastern, five Pacific.

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Speaker 4: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers that placed Jordan Whitehead on the

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Speaker 4: non football injury reserved list after a car accident this

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Speaker 4: morning on his way to the facility. The Tampa Bay

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Speaker 4: Time says that Whitehead is okay, but he's not expected

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Speaker 4: to return this year. Buccaneers need a win or a

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Speaker 4: tie tomorrow against the Saintoury Falcons loss or tie against

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Speaker 4: the Panthers to extend their season to qualify for the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Bengals receiver t Higgins expected to play today against the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Running Back Chase Brown will work out before the game.

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Speaker 4: Remember he hurt himself going down before scoring a touchdown

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Speaker 4: last week when the Bengals played the Broncos. Packers cornerback

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Speaker 4: Jay r Alexander is now on IR with a knee

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Speaker 4: in he'd be eligible to return for the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: if the Packers are able to make it that far.

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Speaker 4: Bill's Robe receiver Amari Cooper has been ruled out of

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow's game against the Patriots due to personal reasons. Personal

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Speaker 4: reasons also the reason why Jaguars defensive end josh Hines

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Speaker 4: Allen has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Alex back to us, Back.

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Speaker 2: To us, Thank you, Martin. You're listening to Fox Football

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Speaker 2: Saturday and Alex Curry with Martin Wise. Today we're broadcasting

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Speaker 2: live from the tark dot Com studios in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: so thank you for spending your Saturday afternoon with us.

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Speaker 2: It is time for our first guest, the founder and

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Speaker 2: CEO of the Sporting Tribune, Aras McCarthy. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: joining the show.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Both LA teams going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Rams, because what a season. They

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Speaker 2: went from starting one to four before the bye week

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Speaker 2: to winning nine of their last eleven games to take

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Speaker 2: the NFC West this season. What made this run so

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Speaker 2: impressive for LA?

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean, they really got healthy. I

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Speaker 7: think a lot of people could have talked about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: the first two weeks of the season, it was it

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Speaker 7: was wild in terms of the number of players that

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Speaker 7: they lost, from Cooper Cup to Puka and Akua to

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Speaker 7: like half the offensive line, and it was just like,

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Speaker 7: you know, at the beginning of the season that they're

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Speaker 7: one and four and I guess two things like a like,

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Speaker 7: let's see if they get healthy, but feel like we

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Speaker 7: kind of thought this is too deep of a hole

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Speaker 7: for them, Like they're going to get healthy at some point,

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Speaker 7: but like where where will they be? I mean the

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Speaker 7: big thing for them is like they treaded water. They

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Speaker 7: kept their head above water enough that like when they

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Speaker 7: did get healthy, they went on this run. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is a completely different team right now.

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Speaker 3: Talking about a completely different team.

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Chargers changed their head coach and changed

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Speaker 4: just about everything else about the organization. What but we

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Speaker 4: saw him in San Francisco for eight years at Michigan.

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Speaker 4: What is the difference now between Jim Harbaugh and San

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Speaker 4: Francisco as he had success there early and tapered out,

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Speaker 4: and the difference between Jim Harball Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Head coach and then that years of experience in between them.

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Speaker 7: It's such a great point, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 7: in his first years with both of these franchises, it

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Speaker 7: wasn't like they really like overhauled the team. You know,

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Speaker 7: for the most part, you know, same quarterback, same team.

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Speaker 7: It's really that belief as soon as he walks in

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Speaker 7: there and we've talked to the players, it's just a

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Speaker 7: different vibe. And so you know, I've been covering the

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Speaker 7: same since training camp, and there is that different deal.

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Speaker 7: And I go back to that Cincinnati game that they

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Speaker 7: played on Sunday night, and it was such a kind

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Speaker 7: of a Chargers type of a loss. It seemed like

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Speaker 7: where you know, they blew a big lead, crumbled late,

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Speaker 7: but they just had this confidence and they were gonna

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Speaker 7: come back and win. So I mean, la, time in

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Speaker 7: and time out, there's been these moments where you think

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Speaker 7: that this team's gonna fold, but they don't. And again,

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Speaker 7: he's really done an amazing job of changing the culture

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Speaker 7: that's there.

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Speaker 2: What are realistic expectations for the Chargers in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: this year? Now, we're still kind of waiting to see

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Speaker 2: if the Steelers win or lose tonight, and then if

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Speaker 2: they lose and the Chargers can win and get the

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Speaker 2: five seed, there's still a lot a lot on the

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Speaker 2: line here, but coming in, I mean, he's already completely

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Speaker 2: turned this team around in year one. What are your expectations?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think this would be a big game.

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Speaker 7: It means that they're all gonna watch it tonight because

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Speaker 7: I think if Cincinnati wins and the Chargers have the

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Speaker 7: ability to be the five seed go to Houston not

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Speaker 7: have to go to Baltimore to get that hard Ball

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Speaker 7: Bowl again, they definitely want to do that. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think if they go to Houston, I would favor

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Speaker 7: them to win that game. And then now you're talking

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Speaker 7: about them in the divisional round. Then you know, I

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Speaker 7: think for these two teams, I mean, if they get

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Speaker 7: to the divisional round, it's certainly a success. They both

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Speaker 7: have sort of like to that like outside chance to

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Speaker 7: get to the conference championship.

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Speaker 11: Game.

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Speaker 7: Now, Listen, I don't think anyone here thinks that they're

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Speaker 7: the favorite to go to the super Bowl. But I mean,

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Speaker 7: what an amazing turnaround for both.

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Speaker 11: Of these teams.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if they at least get to the divisional

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Speaker 7: round and certainly get to the conference championship.

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Speaker 4: Game with the Rams, Sean McVay making the decision rest

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Speaker 4: a lot of his starters, A lot of those guys

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Speaker 4: you ticked off earlier as being injured earlier in the

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Speaker 4: season won't be playing in the season finale.

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Speaker 3: What do you consider? How does it?

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Speaker 4: As somebody who's been covering this team for a while,

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Speaker 4: what's your take on the whole idea of rest versus

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Speaker 4: Russ versus playing guys verus Stafford is eighty million years old?

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, But now what's your what's your take

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Speaker 3: on that concept? Just in general?

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Speaker 4: Because McVay has leaned all the way in to giving

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Speaker 4: his guys time off whenever he can.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they had a unique situation. I guess

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Speaker 7: two part because we talked about it, like, like all

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Speaker 7: the guys who are hurt at the beginning of the season,

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Speaker 7: so they more than most note how crucial health is

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Speaker 7: there by We came very early at the beginning of

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Speaker 7: the season. It was like, well, it was like October sixth,

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Speaker 7: so you know, they've been non stop playing like every week,

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Speaker 7: weekend and week out, and really like every game feeling

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Speaker 7: like a playoff game if you want to make it

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Speaker 7: into the postseason for about three months now, so they

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Speaker 7: hell is really important for them.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you guys, like I think, Listen, there's

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Speaker 7: a big difference between being the three and the four

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Speaker 7: seeds this year, where you're talking about going up against

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Speaker 7: a fourteen and two team. That's fine for the number

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Speaker 7: one seeds, whereas maybe if you're the number three seed,

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Speaker 7: you get a Washington team that was an amazing season,

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Speaker 7: but you'd rather play them. The you neque thing about

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Speaker 7: some rams is they're not afraid of those two teams. Again,

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Speaker 7: with Detroit they let them with, you know, late with

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Speaker 7: twenty seconds left in a game where they were hurt

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Speaker 7: again that that was the one point loss a year

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Speaker 7: ago in the playoffs. And then with the Vikings they

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Speaker 7: beat them not so fine. So they have confidence that

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Speaker 7: if they're healthy, that they can beat those two teams.

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Speaker 7: But I agree to Listen, generally, I would rather play guys.

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Speaker 7: They also think they can beat Seattle with Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 7: You look at the Okay that was my Joan mcveigh's success.

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Speaker 7: I mean, listen, Jimmy came to the Rams fully expecting

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Speaker 7: that he was going to start a few games. Again,

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Speaker 7: no knock on Matthew Stafford, but like you feel like

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Speaker 7: he's gonna he's gonna get hurt up. Yeah, he's gonna

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Speaker 7: so uh ju, he's been prepared. I mean, this is

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Speaker 7: his this is his Baker Mayfield moment. Remember that Baker

659
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Speaker 7: Mayfield was almost like that of the league. He signs

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Speaker 7: for like like a few games with the Rams. So

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Speaker 7: I listen, I think they have a package who play

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Speaker 7: for Jimmy g I think that they could be Listen,

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Speaker 7: we're talking about a Seattle team that almost lost the

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Speaker 7: Chicago Bears a week ago. So I I don't know

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Speaker 7: the team that they're really worried about. So we'll see.

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Speaker 7: But the hell's is the number one thing for them?

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Speaker 2: But not see. I agree, Like, I don't think Jimmy's

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Speaker 2: a big deal starting. He's a veteran, he's played in

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Speaker 2: a super Bowl before. But you're you're resting majority of

670
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Speaker 2: your offensive weapons in Puka and Cup and Williams and

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Speaker 2: a lot of linemen. Is McVeigh still confident with who

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Speaker 2: he has starting that they can still get this win.

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Speaker 7: I think they are, but I mean, listen, health, as

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Speaker 7: you know Alex is the number one thing with this team.

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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, they don't even want to like risk

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Speaker 7: like let's play like the first time I hear that

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Speaker 7: a lot, like well, let's go out and play a

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Speaker 7: series or like a half, and it's like no, because

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Speaker 7: you never know what can happen. I mean, they know

680
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Speaker 7: how good this team is when that they are healthy,

681
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Speaker 7: and they really saw, like unfortunately through the first five games,

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Speaker 7: how bad this team can be if they're not healthy.

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Speaker 7: So their thing is like, hey, like listen, we would

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Speaker 7: love to win the game. We would love to be

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Speaker 7: the number three seed, but we're not gonna like put

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Speaker 7: our guys out there, and so listen. Seattle doesn't have

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Speaker 7: anything to play for the groups. You know, maybe you

688
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Speaker 7: know they want to spoil.

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Speaker 2: They always do. It's a division game, which are always wild.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see, well, we'll see, okay. So staying on

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Speaker 2: this resting topic, if the Steelers win tonight, then the

692
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Speaker 2: Chargers are locked into the six seed. Do you see

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh resting his starters on Sunday?

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Speaker 7: I do, and Harbaugh has not been as upfront, mainly

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Speaker 7: because they they they're all gonna watch the game tonight

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Speaker 7: to see what happens. I don't think we're gonna see

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Speaker 7: a situation I listen. I would be fully I would

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Speaker 7: be totally surprised if if the Steelers win and the

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Speaker 7: Chargers are fully locked did. I don't see a scenario

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Speaker 7: where they played their top guys. I do think that

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Speaker 7: Harbaugh follows the leader Sean mcdagh and say, hey, like,

702
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Speaker 7: we're going to go into the playoffs as healthy as

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Speaker 7: we could possibly be because the difference there is they have

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Speaker 7: to go on the road, and the difference there is

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Speaker 7: they got to Mi to Baltimore. That's gonna be a

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Speaker 7: very tough game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about justin Herbert, because there's been such

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Speaker 2: high expectations and so much talk about his level of play,

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Speaker 2: and we've really kind of seen growth and development this year.

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Speaker 2: How much of that is teaming up with Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 7: It's a big part. And I don't know to what

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Speaker 7: extent of Herbert knew what he was getting involved in.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Harbaugh's got this thing from the pregame where

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Speaker 7: he you know, slams the quarterbacks like shoulder pads and

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Speaker 7: his chest and he's out catching passes from Herbert and

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Speaker 7: he's I mean, I mean the chance that they had

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Speaker 7: really said like into motion, the relationship that those two

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Speaker 7: would have. And obviously we're talking about Jim Harbough, but

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Speaker 7: when we're quarterbacks, when we're Chargers quarterback as we well, yeah,

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Speaker 7: but just really giving him that confidence and every press

721
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Speaker 7: conference that every term Barbla just like gives him his flowers,

722
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Speaker 7: just says how great he is, one of the top

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Speaker 7: five quarterbacks in the league. He calls him a beast.

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Speaker 7: And and so he's played extremely well and and again

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Speaker 7: having that confidence with that head coach and again really

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Speaker 7: coming into the season we were a little concerned with

727
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Speaker 7: because we're like, well, you've lost your top two wide receivers.

728
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Speaker 7: We didn't know what kind of receiver Lad mcconty was

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Speaker 7: going to be incredible. So what Herbert has done with

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Speaker 7: the team he has it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Between these two teams. I mean, we're getting playoff football

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Speaker 2: next weekend here in LA. Who do you believe in

733
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Speaker 2: more or do you believe in them equally?

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Speaker 11: Yes.

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Speaker 7: I really think the Chargers is it's the matchup with them,

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Speaker 7: like I think if they have to go on the

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Speaker 7: road to Baltimore, and Jim loves John Harbout so much,

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Speaker 7: but unfortunately John has been in the way. Whether you

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Speaker 7: talk about the super Bowl where you're talking about so

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Speaker 7: many times lead each other, John has his numbers. I

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Speaker 7: think that's gonna be a go. I do think the

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Speaker 7: Chargers can beat Houston with the Rams. I like their

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Speaker 7: chances against Washington Green Bay. I think it's gonna be

744
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Speaker 7: tougher for them. Huh, well, I would rather them not

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Speaker 7: play Minnesota in Detroit. I'm telling you, guys, like they

746
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Speaker 7: are so confident and they want Detroit at so far

747
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Speaker 7: they've bought the last few times they played them, they

748
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Speaker 7: were they've played them in Detroit. They would love to

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Speaker 7: get Detroit at so far.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be wild. It's gonna be wild a rash.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, love your insight always.

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Speaker 7: Thanks. We'll touch you guys soon, all right, Doty.

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Speaker 2: Sam when we come back. You guys, it's the dues

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Speaker 2: from the tark dot com studios in Last Angelus. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for spending your Saturday afternoon with us. And you

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Speaker 2: know what time it is. It is time for the

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Speaker 2: dues and the don'ts in sports highlight.

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Speaker 6: So I love that.

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Speaker 2: Putting a spotlight on the dot the subject brings me

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Speaker 2: no joy.

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Speaker 11: That's insane.

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Speaker 2: It's time for the dues and the dots in sports.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start with the do here and it's do.

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Speaker 2: Be like Saquon Barkley. He did a few things this

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Speaker 2: past week that were just like Chef's kiss. First of all,

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Speaker 2: he has the cutest pregame handshake with his daughter. He

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Speaker 2: walked up to her during warm ups, gave her a

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Speaker 2: big hug, then they did their handshake like full rehearse

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Speaker 2: ended with a big kiss. More girl dabs do this second.

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Speaker 2: After the Eagles won last week, he had like an

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Speaker 2: honest joy moment playing in his quote hat and T

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Speaker 2: shirt game, saying he was so happy and didn't even

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Speaker 2: know that was a thing after the Eagles won the

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Speaker 2: NFCES and that's yeah, you wouldn't know if you're not

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Speaker 2: playing on a team that's ever competing for the division.

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Speaker 2: But it was just it was so raw and so cute.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, yeah, he released this really petty sleep

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Speaker 2: commercial with Unison this week, calling out the Giants. The

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Speaker 2: Giants said they would lose sleep as we saw this

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Speaker 2: in Hard Knocks if we were to play for the Eagles. Well,

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Speaker 2: his commercials that he posted to his Instagram so you

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Speaker 2: can go watch it starts with I heard you've had

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Speaker 2: some trouble sleeping lately. Well this will help. I don't

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Speaker 2: need it, but you might because I'm as sleep like

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Speaker 2: a baby. And it's just I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I'll start with it.

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Speaker 4: Don't, okay, don't watch college football games and then talk

795
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Speaker 4: about how good our bad players will be in the pro.

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Speaker 3: Just watch the game. I'm watching. Camps Gatibo have the

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Speaker 3: game of his freaking life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, running up from through Texas and all I got

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Speaker 4: to hear is people on the timeline.

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Speaker 3: He's an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 2: So what so what greatness in college right now? Okay, yeah,

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00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: that's tough. It's always tough though, Like if you're an athlete,

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Speaker 2: no matter what level, like every single moment of your

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00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: public life is going to be scrutinized, as we saw

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Speaker 2: with Hunter, Like sure he can't even enjoy his heisman

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: when it's all just been about his personal life. It's

807
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Speaker 2: so sad. Okay, I gotta do do treat your players.

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00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Charges coordinator Andy Bischoff bought the team one hundred burgers

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Speaker 2: and fries. He asked him if they wanted in and

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Speaker 2: out or five guys. They went with five guys and

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Speaker 2: he delivered this past week of practice and they just

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Speaker 2: posted this video on the Chargers social of all the

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Speaker 2: guys going in, like going in, grabbing a bunch of

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Speaker 2: burgers going out. But okay, this is a question for

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Speaker 2: you guys, big question, in and out or five guys?

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Speaker 2: And let me here, hold on, I'm gonna go first

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Speaker 2: here because it's in and out hands down.

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Speaker 6: And if you.

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Speaker 2: Tell me something different, you are not an LA native,

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Speaker 2: you are not from California. You just outed yourself. I

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Speaker 2: think it's very much where you grew up.

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Speaker 4: I'll say, in and out for the burger and the

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Speaker 4: price five guys for the line.

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Speaker 2: For the line. Yes, you don't have to wait exactly.

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Speaker 3: There's much less of a line than five guys can

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Speaker 3: and out be around it.

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Speaker 2: You have a different burger place. That's more of your jams. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I almost went the in and out yesterday, but again

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Speaker 3: to the red light. So I gotta keep going.

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Speaker 2: You got a parking go inside and just get it

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 4: I'll do with a dude, what you do, I'll go

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Speaker 4: with the dew here do travel early in the winter time,

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Speaker 4: monitor the socials of the Kansas City Chiefs because they

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Speaker 4: are right now sitting on the tarmac the Kansas City

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Speaker 4: Airport closed. Blizzard warning in full effect. So Mahomes was

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Speaker 4: already scheduled out to start. Looks like the whole team,

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Speaker 4: Oh my little delayed.

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Speaker 2: So do what are they going to do?

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Speaker 3: I guess they're gonna wait. There's the muss. They can't do.

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Speaker 3: Act of God happen. It's blizzard.

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Speaker 2: What time window were they in they are?

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Speaker 3: Let's you know what, I'll.

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Speaker 12: Look it up there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're in the afternoon they have for us

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Speaker 2: at like specific time, they have the one twenty five

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Speaker 2: four o'clock. Okay, they might be getting Yeah, they got

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Speaker 2: a little bit. They get a little bit of wiggle room.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot, but a little bit of wiggle room. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I gotta do do keep the dance moves common Vikings.

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: You are just giving us gifts All season long. The

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00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Vikings have been on fire with their pregame and touchdown dances.

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Speaker 2: Last week it was High School Musical. They posted a

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Speaker 2: video of rehearsals and just I just love that that

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00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: team camaraderie. So far this season, we've seen them do

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Speaker 2: dances and celebrations from the Parent Trap, White Chicks, Camp Rock,

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Speaker 2: and now High School Musical. But this is I guess

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Speaker 2: it's it's very in line with that generation, that gen

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Speaker 2: Z generation and everyone doing the dances on TikTok so

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Speaker 2: like it tracks.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll go there.

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Speaker 4: You listen to Leangelo Ball's new song called Tweaker What Yes,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I saw it on social I listened to it three

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Speaker 3: times in a row. And we'll hold on a minute.

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Speaker 3: This is okay, And I saw a tweet just recently.

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Speaker 4: You know what I said, quote LaVar Ball went three

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Speaker 4: for three in my book after this song came out, So.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna have to listen to that during the break.

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Speaker 3: It's probably not something you can playoff.

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Speaker 2: Can you play on air?

873
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Speaker 3: Think I have the rights?

874
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Speaker 2: Is there like a non explicity?

875
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: We'll have to work on that one.

876
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay. If you're lucky, If you're lucky, you're gonna get

877
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Speaker 2: to hear.

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00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 12: Whatever happened to radio edits Yeah, I.

879
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Speaker 2: Don't know, Okay. Do share your joy in collecting cards.

880
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Actress Emma Roberts loves collecting baseball cards and recently shared

881
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: a photo of her pulling her coveted most coveted one

882
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: of one and it's the Oh Shortstop Jackson Holiday card

883
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: and just pure tears of joy on her social also

884
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Speaker 2: posted videos of her pulling cards, saying it's a harder hobby.

885
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Speaker 2: I have one big card. I haven't done anything with it.

886
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: It's a signed Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, and Tyree killcard.

887
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: They're all on it. It's all signed. Don't sell. They

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00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: get that thing, can't sell.

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Speaker 3: Sorry to make sure it's in a good, safe, warm,

890
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Speaker 3: dry place like.

891
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's something that goes on the Hall of

892
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Speaker 2: Fame that I have.

893
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Speaker 4: Don't push people after the whistle. Aaron Rodgers find eleven

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars for lately.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, we're having an AFC North Saturday today, Browns

911
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: at Ravens right now, Ravens up seven to nothing towards

912
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: the end of the first Now, remember if the Ravens

913
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: win today, they win the division plus I think Lamark

914
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 2: and keep moving up that MVP race. We talked about

915
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: that in the first hour. We both have opinions on

916
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: other MVPs that should be up in that conversation. Bengals

917
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: at Steelers tonight. Steelers are already locked in, but Bengals

918
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: need to win if they want a chance of stealing

919
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 2: that last AFC wildcard spot. Again, a lot of other

920
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 2: things need to happen. A couple other teams need to lose,

921
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: but Joey b has been on a rule so anything

922
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: can happen at this point. But a lot to play

923
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Speaker 2: for today, which is exciting. In Week eighteen, the last

924
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: week of the season, we have the host of NFL

925
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Speaker 2: and Fox podcast, Dave Hellman, joining us in about thirty

926
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Speaker 2: minutes talk all things NFL. But let's start this hour

927
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: talking about the coaching carousel, because this Monday is when

928
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: it all goes down for coaches in the NFL. I

929
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: think it's known as Black Monday in the NFL, and

930
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: it's you might think your job is safe. But there

931
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: have been some surprises over the year. So we're going

932
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: to run through the teams and the big names on

933
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: the market. But let's start with the jobs that are

934
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: for sure open and then jobs that could be open.

935
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Speaker 2: So one percent open, Bears, Jets, Saints, jobs that could

936
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: be open, Cowboys, Jags, Raiders, Giants, anyone else you want

937
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: to add to that list.

938
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Speaker 4: Off the top. That sounds good. If I have another one,

939
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: I'll throw it out there. Okay, I think Cleveland is

940
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: in good shape though, yeah, no.

941
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: No, no, I think they're fine. So right now we have

942
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: about seven possible openings, and I mean, the way that

943
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: Monday always goes, we're probably gonna have some surprise that

944
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: we didn't think. But we've had some big name former

945
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: coaches recently throw their names in the hat. Pete Carroll,

946
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: former Seahawks head coach, saying he was interested in the

947
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: Bear job, but remember he's seventy three years old. He's

948
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: a defensive coach, not necessarily the trending way that coaches

949
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: are going these days. Cliff Kingsberry, Commander's offensive coordinator, former

950
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: Card's head coach, just threw his name in the hat

951
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: as well. Saying at some point, we'll see how everything goes,

952
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: but he would like to be a head coach again. Obviously,

953
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson hottest name on the market. He saw so

954
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: much to accomplish this season though with the Lions. I

955
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: there's a chance that if they don't win the Super Bowl,

956
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: he could stay unless someone opens up a blank check

957
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: book and gives them an offer he can't refuse.

958
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: I honestly am a little concerned about the concept of

959
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson the head coach.

960
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: Why because right now, what's the Lions mo? Right?

961
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: The whole story at the Lions is they'll go for

962
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: it from wherever. It's very like Brendan Staley esque. But

963
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: it works, you know, like the idea that they go

964
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 4: for it all the time and.

965
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Are consistently aggressive aggressive. It's working, and they're doing trick

966
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: plays and all these crazy so offensive calls.

967
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 4: But like, you get the opportunity if you're Ben Johnson, Yeah,

968
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: you get the chance to basically, within reason, call whatever

969
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: the hell you want because they run whatever the hell

970
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: they want.

971
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah they do. But it's a team he's with right now.

972
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: But also that he has.

973
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: That's exactly Dames Dan Campbell as this cult of personality

974
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: coach above him, who is not afraid to take all arrows.

975
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: But if Ben Johnson is doing the same exact stuff,

976
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: like let's say he took that commander's job instead of

977
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn last year, He's doing this same exact stuff

978
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: and a hook and lateral goes wrong, how does he respond.

979
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: To that in the postgame press conference? I don't know. YEA,

980
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: it's something to think.

981
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he does that with that group. You

982
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: have to be a little more reserved, especially with the

983
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: first year.

984
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: If you're not done the trickery.

985
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: But it's different though he's with a he's got he's

986
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: got an insane team and leader where he can do

987
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: these things. And again, he is not the head coach

988
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: taking all the arrows right now, So there's a good

989
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: chance he doesn't.

990
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 9: Yes, if I may like, because I've been covering the

991
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 9: Lions for like nine years too, and I will say

992
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 9: this is watching him, is I think there is a

993
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 9: I think he could be a great offensive coach, but

994
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 9: I I'm seeing a lot of people conflating that with

995
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 9: being someone who can develop a quarterback. One of the

996
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 9: things he hasn't done in Detroit is develop a quarterback

997
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 9: like Jared Goff, I think so the uh the stumble

998
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 9: Rooskie that we had in in that in the in

999
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 9: the Bears game, there was a lot of Hey, he

1000
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 9: wanted to actually put that ball on the ground, and

1001
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 9: Jared Goff was like, no, that's kind of dumb. Let's

1002
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 9: revise it. So I'm just pretending to stumble. Like there's

1003
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 9: a back and forth he has with a with a veteran,

1004
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 9: you know, quarterback who knows a lot of stuff. I

1005
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 9: don't know if I if that translates immediately into QB

1006
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 9: with a lot of offensive.

1007
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: Courters, but then you get a good offensive coordinator if

1008
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: you're the head coach who is the Quarterbackah yeah, whatever

1009
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: it is like you gotta get the support. So a

1010
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: couple other coaches names that have been thrown in the hat.

1011
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel already interviewed for the Jets job. Former Titans

1012
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: head coach for six years, Ron Rivera also interviewed for

1013
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: the Jets job. For Panthers and Commander's head coach. So

1014
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: now we're gonna go down the list of teams and

1015
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: share who you think would be the best fit or

1016
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: the possible teams. When we get to if they should

1017
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: keep or let go their head coach.

1018
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1019
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with the Bears. They need an

1020
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: offensive coach. Ben Johnson I think would be the dream higher.

1021
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: But will the Bears open up their checkbook enough to

1022
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: get Ben Johnson, as the record shows probably not. So

1023
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna have like a close secut here

1024
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: if they can't get Ben. Cliff Kingsbury I think would

1025
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: be another great option. Look at what he's done with

1026
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels in his rookie season. He's already worked with

1027
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams at USC so from quotes that we've seen, again,

1028
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: we're not there. I don't know their actual relationship and

1029
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: what it was like, but it seems like they're comfortable

1030
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: with each other and familiar with each other. He has

1031
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the qualities that you would want in

1032
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Chicago for the head coach. The offensive mindset, knows how

1033
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: to work with the young talent and develop them. He

1034
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: challenges his players, he has discipline, and this is going

1035
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: to be a franchise defining hire for Chicago and possibly

1036
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: a career make or break for Caleb. So you need

1037
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: an offensive mine and someone that can work well with

1038
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: a young quarterback.

1039
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 4: But I think also what you need is somebody who

1040
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: has a little bit of experience doing this.

1041
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: Wouldn't like but look at what he just did with

1042
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels.

1043
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: No, I've talked about well, Cliff.

1044
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Cliff Kingsbury doesn't have head coaching experience.

1045
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: Just when he was in Arizona, things kind.

1046
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: Of fell off at the track and then you know,

1047
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 4: this may not even be fair, but I've seen too

1048
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: many documentaries in which Cliff was a like participant to think, like,

1049
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: do you want that Johnny Manzel documentary? He was like

1050
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: an important part of that team and and like in

1051
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: terms of a play caller for that for Johnny Menzel,

1052
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 4: and that Cliff Kingsbury was and in some of the

1053
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: way that he would be like a Johnny would show

1054
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 4: up to practice hungover and we just rip it.

1055
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: It's like what maybe could just like early.

1056
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 4: It may not be fair, right, you know what I'm saying,

1057
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: but I just it burns in the back of my

1058
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 4: head when I hear him talk. And also too, I'm

1059
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: jealous of his voice because he has a voice for

1060
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: radio in the best way possible.

1061
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: But in terms of the guy in Chicago.

1062
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 4: I would like to see a former head coach who

1063
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 4: has had some level of success, right Like Mike Rabe

1064
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: was seen in the AFC Championship game before. Uh yeah

1065
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: he was uh with the Tennessee against can'sasay the first

1066
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: I thought, don't you then my McCarthy, I've seen NFC

1067
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: championship games before, you've seen Super Bowls before.

1068
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: That's gonna determine if Cowboys let him go.

1069
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: So I mean, right there, Mike's got to sign back

1070
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 4: up with the Cowboys. Cowboys didn't offering him extension. He's

1071
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: a free agent in ten days. So I would like

1072
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 4: to see something like that because right now you're looking

1073
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: at Kevin O'Connor, you're looking at Matt lafloor, you're looking

1074
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: at Dan Campbell in that conference.

1075
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: That division.

1076
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a border vision. It's just division in the NFL.

1077
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: It's also just thinking when you're looking at raw just

1078
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: coaching talent. I put them in the AFC West up

1079
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: there and then figure it out from there. And and

1080
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: that's not even included AMC North, which has three good coaches.

1081
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: So you can't the best way to make the players

1082
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: every year as Kansas City as New England win your division.

1083
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: The best way to win your division, I think it's

1084
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: to kind of zag a little bit there. So I

1085
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 4: want to coach who has a little bit of experience here.

1086
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: I would like one of those two guys before Ben

1087
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: Johnson having to figure out not only hot when when

1088
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: do I run the fumble roofskie should I put it

1089
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: on the ground, and then also like having to like

1090
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 4: schedule with all the meetings. And I think Mike McCarthy

1091
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: is an interesting guy in this just in general in

1092
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: the coaching search, because look, when you think about all

1093
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 4: the think about the Jets and the Bears, the thing

1094
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: that they have in.

1095
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: Common, right, dumpster fires, dumpster fires.

1096
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: Right, their ownership is nuts.

1097
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: Their owners like they talk about and that the Bear's

1098
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 4: ownership is just kind of seems to be a little

1099
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: level of incompetence where the Jets ownerships, like sinking their

1100
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: fingers will have been deeper into it. Well, Mike McCarthy

1101
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: prior to this season have won thirty six games with

1102
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: the most metalsome owner in the NFL, like you know

1103
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: to saying, you know the guy all up into videos

1104
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: like like so yeah, I just.

1105
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: Need it to be interesting Okay, Well that leads us

1106
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: to the next dumpster fire. The Jets. They need someone

1107
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: who has experience dealing with a hard owner and a

1108
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: veteran who knows how to win with a hard owner.

1109
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say Ron Rivera is probably the king

1110
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: of dealing with bad owners. Both his previous owners Panthers

1111
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: and Commanders are no longer NFL owners. He knows what

1112
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: it takes to win.

1113
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: Think about that, absolutely right.

1114
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's gotten to a super Bowl. He's basically

1115
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: a five hundred record coach, and that was with some

1116
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: pretty bad teams. He's got a rolodex of great coaches

1117
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: that he could probably bring in with them as a

1118
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: supporting staff. I think also a lot's going to determine, though,

1119
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers is on the Jets next year, should

1120
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: he like? Should he be? I don't think so. But

1121
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you can predict anything with the New

1122
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 2: York Jets at this point because they have no idea

1123
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: what they're going to do, and they have no idea

1124
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 2: what they want. And as we were just saying, their ownership,

1125
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: their owner is taking advice from his teenage boys, like

1126
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: it's just it's hot. As we heard it is the

1127
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: most dysfunctional place imaginable, and that's a direct quote.

1128
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: The thing, my hottest take is, I don't have the

1129
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: biggest problem with Woody Johnson taking advice from his kids.

1130
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 4: I really don't, because over over the front office, I'm

1131
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: not saying.

1132
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 2: Oh, millions of dollars, get this.

1133
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: Right, I'm not saying over right, I'm not saying over.

1134
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: Those was he was taking the advice over But people.

1135
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: I don't have the biggest problem with him, like factoring

1136
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: it in, I'll say like that, Okay, I don't have

1137
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: the big trouble with him taking now that nobody knows

1138
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: who Jerry Judy is, but he's not going to make

1139
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: a splash first thousand yard season was this year?

1140
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: Anyway? Actually I don't and sometimes I don't know.

1141
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 4: You know, we do this business for for so long

1142
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 4: you end up is this the right decision?

1143
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 3: Or is this is what I want? Because it would

1144
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: be awesome?

1145
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: What do you want? I want Rex you wanted to

1146
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: go back.

1147
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: I want wreck All Wrecky too.

1148
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: He hasn't been though since he's.

1149
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: Coached oh maybe ten years, huh ten years?

1150
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: Taking the Gruden situation here, do you think he still

1151
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: has it? To come back and do it. I mean,

1152
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: he knows how to deal with the situation.

1153
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I thought.

1154
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: You need somebody to like restatblish A floor and what

1155
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: the Jets are and like somebody who like this is

1156
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 4: gonna sound so silly and contrived that if I heard

1157
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 4: the actual player coach say it in the press, that

1158
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 4: rolled my eyes. But somebody who's proud to be a Jet,

1159
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: like somebody who's proud to be a Jet, Like nobody

1160
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: wants to be a Jet but Rex Ryan. Right now,

1161
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: do you know what I'm saying. Garrett Wilson wants to go.

1162
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 4: He was the rookie of the year.

1163
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: So if Gardener wants to go, he was a rookie

1164
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: of the year.

1165
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: DJ Reid with two games left is like, bro, I

1166
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 4: am definitely going to free agency. Out of the only

1167
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 4: person who wants the Jets is Rex.

1168
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: So then by process of elimination, he might end up

1169
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: with it.

1170
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 4: I think it would be awesome and too cause like

1171
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 4: that's one thing though, it is one thing, Like they're

1172
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: talking about these coaches who are culture personality colches who

1173
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 4: are big.

1174
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: Rex Ryan would stand up to Aaron Rodgers.

1175
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: So you think Rogers is coming back.

1176
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: I think they're not going to have a choice.

1177
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he said, he said Sunday might be my

1178
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: last game with the Jets or NFL game.

1179
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. The releasing would be stratfordish cap.

1180
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 4: So anywhere you're setting up to like your next head coach,

1181
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: you're already putting him at a disadvantage just by having

1182
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: him off the team. And then, okay, Shador Sanders, how

1183
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: are you going to? Where are you gonna get your

1184
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 4: quarterback from? If it's not Amon Rodgers?

1185
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: Okay, this is let's let's lead into this next section though,

1186
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: because that's I got a good one on the should take.

1187
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: So should these teams keep or move on from their

1188
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: head coach? We'll go with this one real quick. I

1189
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: think I already know your answer because you already mentioned

1190
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: it the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy. Should the keeper let go?

1191
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to say they should keep because we've already

1192
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: heard Dak micah CD supporting that they want him to stay.

1193
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: So your three franchise players love him, Plus who else

1194
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: are you going to try to get? Right now, he's

1195
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: one of seven Super Bowl winning coaches in the league.

1196
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Right now, I don't think you can find better.

1197
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: If I might, i'd want to go. Oh yeah, i'd

1198
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: want to leave.

1199
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got now you you done paid the quarter

1200
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: everybody's paid now. Yeah, this is your team and the

1201
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: best person's gonna be filling in the gap is eighty

1202
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 4: five million years old. Jerry Jones and Steven Jones who

1203
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 4: draft Okay, right, but they see the ownership a lot

1204
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 4: of they've missed a lot defensively, and I think that

1205
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: a guy like Mike McCarthy.

1206
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: Would be in hide to mean, I think the last

1207
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: three years of Cowboy.

1208
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: Maybe give them a taste of their own medicine and

1209
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: let people have a bidding war on him.

1210
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 4: As what if I'm Mike, I'm for sure coming back,

1211
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: if I come back to Dallas. Ye, it's gonna be

1212
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: at twenty percent more than he was gonna have me

1213
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: initially because he made me wait this whole year.

1214
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, all of them. Okay, So these

1215
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: next two teams need a franchise quarterback, okay, and Shadoor

1216
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: Sanders could be that guy if they trade up in

1217
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: the draft, and I believe if that happens, Dion Sanders

1218
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: could be available as his head coach. He did say

1219
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: he would be interested. I'm just throwing that out there.

1220
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: So let's start with the Raiders, Antonio Pierce. Should they

1221
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: keep them?

1222
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: Listen, look, Antonio Peers was a dead man walking in

1223
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: terms of coaching the minute he got the job full time,

1224
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: like they got that.

1225
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: He took that job.

1226
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 4: I was given that job because Mark Davis missed so

1227
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: badly with rich Maasacia that he cannot He couldn't afford

1228
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 4: to lose the guys like Max Crosby and Divine Times.

1229
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: This was the player's choice. The players backed him, they

1230
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: wanted him. It hasn't been good. They gave him a shot,

1231
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: but it's time to move on. But I feel like

1232
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: this could be the most likely landing spot for shador

1233
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: In Dion Sanders. And if that's possible, you trade, you

1234
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: trade as far up as you can get, and you

1235
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: run with it.

1236
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: I actually think it would be more possible. I'm curious

1237
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 4: about the rabel.

1238
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: Aspect of it.

1239
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 4: Oh, Tom Brady bought part of this team, and you

1240
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 4: don't buy.

1241
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: Something from millions and millions and millions of dollars if

1242
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 3: you just want to keep it the same.

1243
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1244
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: Right, She's gonna do something about it.

1245
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 4: Who's he no better in a competitive environment than Mike

1246
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 4: Rabel won super Bowls together.

1247
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 2: They did. But the flashiness and kind of the culture

1248
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: and everything that the Dion and Shador bring that could fit,

1249
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: that could fit in Vegas. They could run with it.

1250
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 2: That could turn your franchise around.

1251
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: But I think the things that make Deon Sanders a

1252
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: great college football.

1253
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: Coach, you don't think you're translated.

1254
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if they like recruiting.

1255
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 4: There's no transfer portal in college football, and even in

1256
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: the transfer portal now, a lot of it is who's

1257
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: offering me the most money. That's where I'd like to go.

1258
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 4: You don't have that in the NFL. And you also

1259
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: don't have the no come play for coach prime. You'll

1260
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: be on TV every like everybody's on TV. The Browns

1261
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: are on TV, Bailey's appy, He's on starting national television

1262
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: game on national television.

1263
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: It's not a selling point.

1264
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 4: Right, And then he's really good at hiring, I think,

1265
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: but like that's a benefit.

1266
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1267
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't know how good Deon Sanders would be as

1268
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 4: an NFL head coach. And it's not to knock to

1269
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: him as a college coach the two different chillset they are.

1270
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: I think he'll figure it out. He's good at everything

1271
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: he tries. Okay, Giants Brian Dable third season, they made

1272
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs in his first season, Stay or go. This

1273
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: is hard because obviously he's not the one making the

1274
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: personnel decisions, and that's really screwing him over with how

1275
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: the Giants front office operates, as we saw on Hard Knocks,

1276
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: the whole saquond situation. Letting him go. My guess and

1277
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: my gut is they let him go because they're just

1278
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: going to need like a full reset refresh.

1279
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: If they I think one of the more interesting not

1280
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: that this is interesting, but one of the things I

1281
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: like to think of when you're looking at guys.

1282
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: How quickly do you think he'd get hired?

1283
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: I think Brian Daball would be have a job if

1284
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: he was fired from the head coach.

1285
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: Of New York Giants.

1286
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: Wait, he would be a coordinator at minimum elsewhere. Yes,

1287
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 4: within seven days.

1288
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1289
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: Like I was shocked when Brabel didn't get another job,

1290
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 4: but it felt like he kind of didn't want one

1291
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: as opposed to you know, there's something offered like that.

1292
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: Had a couple of interviews. Yeah, he didn't want.

1293
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 4: One, he wanted to consult. But I think Brian Dabels

1294
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: helped football coach.

1295
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't. I don't think he should be fired,

1296
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: but I think just think the whole situation with the

1297
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: Giants and needing a fresh start, it's more likely to

1298
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: happen than not. Yeah, yeah, all right, We're gonna take

1299
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: a quick break here, but when we can back call,

1300
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: it's football playoffs semis next week. Who you got you're

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back to Fox Football Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Curry here with Martin Wise, who's in for

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Speaker 2: Carmen today, Coming to you live from the tire dot

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Speaker 2: Com studios in Los Angeles. Thank you for spending your

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Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon with us. Shortly after the show, our podcast

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Speaker 2: will be going up just search Fox Sports Radio wherever

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Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. We're gonna talk a little college

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Speaker 2: football playoffs right now because quarterfinal games were this week

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Speaker 2: honestly pretty disappointing and on eventful. Besides, the Peach Bowl

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Speaker 2: was really the only close one. Honestly, I did not

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Speaker 2: have on my Bengo card. Asu would be the one

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Speaker 2: to put up the greatest comeback that we've seen in

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Speaker 2: this college football. Carmen and I were talking about it

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Speaker 2: last week. She went to ASU. This was her team,

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Speaker 2: and Eve even during it, I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: they're doing it. They're doing it. She's like, it's just

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy. It's entertaining. It's just entertaining. And in

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Speaker 2: my mind, I just keep thinking every ASU fan going,

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Speaker 2: so you're telling there's a chance, like just the entire

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Speaker 2: time that was absolutely uninsane. Fourth quarter comeback, so impressive

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Speaker 2: and at least, you know, proving that they deserve to

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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 4: See this all deserve to be there, Like, yes, they

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Speaker 4: deserve to be there. And you know who else deserves

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Speaker 4: to be there? Every other team they got Molly Wop too,

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Speaker 4: like Indiana deserve to be there. All of that, because

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Speaker 4: you know, it just drives me crazy when people talk

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Speaker 4: like we did one from four to twelve. Yeah, to

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Speaker 4: avoid all this conversation. And then you look at who

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Speaker 4: else did they want Alabama in there? Well, oh they

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Speaker 4: got pounded by eight and five Michigan, whose quarterback is

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Speaker 4: absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's the name they want the brand name in there.

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Speaker 2: I guess they were great. You know, thinking about bas.

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Speaker 3: Man, I want winning the matter, win your conference, and then.

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Speaker 2: Go Okay, well let's let's do some semi final predictions. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Orange Bowl on Thursday, Penn State against Notre Dame. Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame looked so good, they stepped up in the big moments.

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Speaker 2: Georgia outgained them in the Orange but Notre Dame's defense

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Speaker 2: was on fire. They stopped Georgia on all three of

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Speaker 2: their fourth down attempts and the first half looked close.

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Speaker 2: But then he saw Notre Dame score ten points in

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Speaker 2: eleven seconds, which was insane, and then went into the

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Speaker 2: half feeling great and started the second half with Jaden

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Speaker 2: Harrison's ninety eight yard kickoff return for a touchdown that

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Speaker 2: just I opened the floodgates for Notre Dame. So I,

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Speaker 2: after seeing what they did, I'm picking Notre Dame in

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Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually taking Penn State. Taking Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Tell me why.

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Speaker 4: Part of me thinks, well, First, Notre Dame unfortunately has

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Speaker 4: two days less rest to end less preparation for this

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Speaker 4: game after having to play the game on the second Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so that's something that plays in the contact our plays

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Speaker 4: into my thought process there. But also too, I think

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Speaker 4: Penn State has a better ability to move the ball

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Speaker 4: different ways, Like Riley Leonard is a great running quarterback.

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Speaker 4: But I think if they get down to by ten

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Speaker 4: points and he has to drop I can throw the ball,

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Speaker 4: They're going to be in trouble.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. Move on to the cotton ball Friday. Texas

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Speaker 2: against Ohio State. I mean, Ohio State put a beat

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Speaker 2: down at the Rose Bowl. I'm so disappointing. I thought

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Speaker 2: that was going to be the best game of the

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Speaker 2: quarterfinals because it was the best one of the best

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Speaker 2: games of the regular season. But I just they just

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Speaker 2: look so good. And Jeremiah Smith true freshman like already

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Speaker 2: being tapped as you said you don't like people talking

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Speaker 2: about college players like he's already being tapped as NFL ready.

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Speaker 2: He had absolute star two touchdowns in this game, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight yards, set the record for most

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Speaker 2: receiving yards in a single game. Ya, Ohio State freshman.

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Speaker 2: And compared to Texas, who had that complete fourth quarter meltdown,

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Speaker 2: they were sixteen halfway through the fourth quarter at Texas

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Speaker 2: was and gave that up. I just I just Ohio

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Speaker 2: State won me over. They won me over. I think

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Speaker 2: they're winning it all.

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Speaker 4: Look right now, they're obviously the odds on favorite, but

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Speaker 4: I just think this is all Ohio State team that's

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Speaker 4: shown year in year through Ryan Day's tenure. If they

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Speaker 4: if you come out or they come out and you

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Speaker 4: let them punch first, twice and third, then they are

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Speaker 4: not going to lose, right, They're not going to give

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Speaker 4: up the lead. They're not going to But if you

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Speaker 4: come out and make them play an actual football game

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Speaker 4: like Michigan did, Like I know it's the Michigan games

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Speaker 4: all the other episodes, but Oregon never Actually no.

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Speaker 2: Because you're a Michigan guy. You just cannot get yourself

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Speaker 2: behind Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: I mean partly, yeah, I mean, I mean I can't

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Speaker 4: lose right now, I can't as a Michigan fan, and

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Speaker 4: I can't lose. I mean eight and five after winning

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Speaker 4: national championship, beat Alabama twice, beat USC, beat Michigan State,

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Speaker 4: beat Ohio State, and beat everybody for Bryce everywhere, right,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, beat everybody for the top recruit.

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Speaker 4: So I can't lose. But I do think that Ohio

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Speaker 4: State they're a little bit of front runner to me.

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Speaker 4: Where if you if you I want to see Ohio

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Speaker 4: State in the tight game in the third quarter, that's all.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see how they can respond. I mean they

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Speaker 3: show they didn't.

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Speaker 2: So are you taking Texas or Ohio State?

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Speaker 3: I don't think Texas will give it to him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Texas has a quarterback to be able

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Speaker 3: to put the numbers on they don't.

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Speaker 2: I know that hurt. I know that hurt. You didn't

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Speaker 2: even say it. Okay, Martin, what's trending?

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Speaker 3: You know there was? Once I met Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 2: Are you are you ready for this?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: My very first college football game, I hosted a show

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Speaker 2: called Tailgate forty and Big ten Network was at Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: his very first game as head coach. Oh Wow, and

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Speaker 2: I had no idea like what the protocol was. I

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Speaker 2: snuck past every police officer and for security guard, ran

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Speaker 2: right up to him with a Big ten Network mike

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Speaker 2: and just started asking him questions. He gave me a

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Speaker 2: WTF who f are you look like?

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Speaker 3: Why are you here?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing? Then saw the mic, saw the

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Speaker 2: camera rolling and just like gave me the interview anyway,

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Speaker 2: but it was Chef's kiss beautiful.

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Speaker 4: I bumped him, bumped into him in the hallway, and

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Speaker 4: I told him that You've been the bang of my

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Speaker 4: existence since childhood.

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Speaker 3: I grew up root for LSU and then from Michigan.

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Speaker 4: And he looked me dead in the eye and said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we used to have some battles in the swamp, and

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Speaker 4: it completely ignored the Michigan part of all of it.

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Speaker 4: So I love that fourteen and nothing to score right now.

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Speaker 4: Seven to nineteen left in the first half between the

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Speaker 4: Ravens and the Browns. Lamar Jackson with the touchdown pass

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Speaker 4: to Mark Andrews. He's leading the Ravens in both passing

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Speaker 4: and rushing fifty three yards through the air, forty four

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Speaker 4: on the ground. Bailey's happy the starter for Cleveland. He's

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Speaker 4: their fourth starter at quarterbacks so far this year. He's

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Speaker 4: not having any luck, many more luck than any of

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Speaker 4: the rest of them did. He's got a pick six

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Speaker 4: to Nate Wiggins in the first quarter. Cleveland now attempting

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Speaker 4: a field goal on fourth and goal, Dustin Hopkins lining

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Speaker 4: it up.

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Speaker 3: Keep you updated on how that ends up for them.

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati plays Pittsburgh at eight o'clock tonight, then to settle

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Speaker 4: the AFC North Earlier today.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Whitehead, Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 4: Buccaneer, was placed on the reserve non football injury list

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Speaker 4: after a car accident this morning on his way to

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Speaker 4: the facility. The Tampa Bay Time says Whitehead's okay but

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Speaker 4: not expected to return this year. Buccaneers need a win

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Speaker 4: or a tie against a Saints or a Falcon's lost

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Speaker 4: or tie against the Panthers to qualify for the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Bikelsar receiver t Higgins expected to play today. Running Back

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Speaker 4: Chase Brown will work out before the game for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Packer's cornerback jyr Alexander on injured reserve with a knee injury.

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Speaker 4: Lions activate linebacker alex Anzeloni and punt returner Khalif Raymond

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Speaker 4: from injured reserve. Angeloni has not played since Week eleven,

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Speaker 4: when he broke his forearm.

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Speaker 3: He wi wear a carbon fiber cast on his arm

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Speaker 3: in his return.

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Speaker 4: And Aaron Rodgers was fined eleven two hundred and fifty five.

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Speaker 3: Dollars for a late hit in last week's action. I

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Speaker 3: love that it's the best.

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Speaker 2: That's too funny.

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Speaker 3: Probably the first time he's ever gotten fined for a

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Speaker 3: late hit.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, all right, you're listening to Vox

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Speaker 2: Football Saturday. I'm Alex Curry here with Martin Wise and

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Speaker 2: for Carbon. Today we are broadcasting live from the tark

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Speaker 2: dot Com studios in Los Angeles, and it is time

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Speaker 2: for our next guest. He is the host of NFL

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Speaker 2: and Thoughts podcast, Dave Hellman. Thanks for joining the show.

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Speaker 11: Happy to be here, guys.

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Speaker 2: On Oh, we appreciate you so much, so much to

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Speaker 2: get to also love that Week eighteen. There is so

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Speaker 2: much to play for, but there's also like a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams rest in their guys, And I got to

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Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this. The Eagles decided to rest

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley for the last game, despite him being just

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Speaker 2: one hundred and one yards away from the single season

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Speaker 2: rushing record. Is this the right decision or do you

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Speaker 2: think they should have let him go for it?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 11: It's absolutely the right decision.

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Speaker 10: And look, I mean I get it. I'm a history nerd.

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Speaker 10: I remember where I was when Adrian Peterson almost broke

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Speaker 10: Dickerson's record, you know, twelve years ago.

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Speaker 11: It would be very.

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Speaker 10: Fun and I'm in favor of it.

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Speaker 11: I want to see it happen.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, But the running game is the essence of why

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Speaker 10: Philadelphia is a super Bowl contender. Sakuon Barkley arguably the

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Speaker 10: key free agent pickup of the year. I don't think

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Speaker 10: he's gonna win MVP, but he certainly deserves to be

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Speaker 10: on the short list of MVP candidates. He's one of

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Speaker 10: the best players in the entire NFL. You cannot risk

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Speaker 10: him for the playoffs for a record. I mean, he's

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Speaker 10: said it. I think everybody in the Philly organization has

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Speaker 10: set it. You know, the super Bowl is the goal,

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Speaker 10: and I just you would never forgive yourself if you

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Speaker 10: tweaked the hamstring going for a record in a game

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Speaker 10: that didn't matter. And I mean, if the Eagles could

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Speaker 10: still get the one seed, if they could still benefit

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Speaker 10: from winning a game, that's a different story. But they

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Speaker 10: can't move if they win, they can't move if they lose.

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Speaker 10: There's really no upside, and I just I don't think

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Speaker 10: it's worth the risk. So I'm fully in favor of

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Speaker 10: the decision.

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Speaker 4: Dave, you were saying that Sekwon Barkley deserves to be

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Speaker 4: on a short list for MVP.

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Speaker 3: There's a little game being played.

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Speaker 4: It's just the most important NFL regular seed, regular season

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Speaker 4: game being played ever, and there's nobody on that game

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Speaker 4: from the lines and the Vikings for the one seed,

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Speaker 4: even in consideration for MVP. If you listen to the

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 4: national conversation about it, why do you think that's the case.

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01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 11: That's a really good question. I think there's a.

1519
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 10: Football answer, which is, you know, in the case of

1520
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 10: let's talk about the Detroit Lions, I think that's an

1521
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 10: instance where the overall strength of that team, I mean,

1522
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 10: they're such a loaded team that it takes emphasis off

1523
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 10: of one guy. I mean, we remember, going back to

1524
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 10: mid season the Lions won, they won three or four

1525
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 10: games by scoring fifty forty points and Jared Goff, you know,

1526
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 10: only needed to throw for one hundred and thirty one

1527
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 10: hundred and forty yards and let the rest of his

1528
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 10: team do the work when you have that amount of guys,

1529
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 10: So I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 11: I also think narrative is a big part of it

1531
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 11: as well.

1532
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 10: Obviously, the Vikings have an amazing record, but they've been

1533
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 10: in second place in their division for most of the year,

1534
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 10: and Sam Donald is in his first year playing this way,

1535
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 10: and I think, you know, some people were quick to

1536
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 10: hop on the bandwagon and trust that what they were

1537
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 10: seeing was really happening. And I think some people are still,

1538
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 10: you know, waiting to rule on Sam Donald. Okay, let's

1539
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 10: see if he does it against the Packers, let's see

1540
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 10: if he does it against the Lions. Let's see if

1541
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 10: he does it in the playoffs. And it's not necessarily fair,

1542
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 10: but you know, when you're trying to sway people over

1543
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 10: to your side, I think it takes more than one season,

1544
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 10: and so I think that would be the reason. Although,

1545
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 10: you know, if Sam Donald plays the game of his

1546
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 10: life and the Vikings win the division from the Lions,

1547
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 10: I certainly think that's something that should be talked about.

1548
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 11: I don't know that he could catch.

1549
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 10: The front runners like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, but again,

1550
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 10: another guy that you know, if he gets the Vikings

1551
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 10: to fifteen and two and the number one seeds in

1552
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 10: the NFC, he's certainly somebody that should be at least mentioned.

1553
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: So let's stay on this MVP convo because obviously, right now,

1554
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is a slight favorite. He's going to be

1555
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: resting most of tomorrow, but he is starting the game.

1556
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: And then Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, right now still

1557
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: have a lot to play for and he's going to

1558
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: be going all out today. Is there a chance that

1559
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: Lamar jumps Allen if he has another big performance the

1560
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 2: rest of today? And how close is Joey b I

1561
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: know he's your guy in MVPVCE.

1562
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 10: He is, he is my guy, and I mean he's

1563
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 10: been phenomenal in terms of, like, in terms of just

1564
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 10: pure play. I don't know, it's hard for me to

1565
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 10: say somebody's been definitively better than Joe Burrow this year, unfortunately.

1566
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 10: And I was just talking about this on Twitter earlier. Again,

1567
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 10: it's a flawed process. I'm not saying it's right. I'm

1568
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 10: just trying to be realistic. But we have a lot

1569
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 10: of precedent that suggests that how your team does has

1570
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 10: a heavy impact on this award. You know, typically you

1571
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 10: see the MVP come from a one seed or a

1572
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 10: two seed, a team with twelve thirteen, fourteen wins, And

1573
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 10: obviously the Bengals might not even make the playoffs. So

1574
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 10: it's hard for me to imagine the voters would give

1575
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 10: MVP to a guy who, if he makes the playoffs,

1576
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 10: it would be sneaking in.

1577
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 11: And like I said, the odds are against the Bengals

1578
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 11: right now.

1579
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 10: They need so much to happen, so as fon as

1580
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 10: it would be for me as an lsu alum, I

1581
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 10: don't see that happening this year. I think Joe even

1582
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 10: acknowledged that to the media. He was like, I just

1583
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 10: I don't think it's in the cars this year. As

1584
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 10: far as Lamar and Josh, I said this heading into

1585
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 10: the weekend, I.

1586
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 11: Don't know what happens.

1587
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 10: I just hope people have an open mind, because like

1588
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 10: when y'all called me, yeah to do this interview, I mean,

1589
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 10: Lamar Jackson just threw.

1590
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm watching you replay. I want here right now.

1591
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1592
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's had a great game.

1593
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 10: Yeah he's officially he's a four thousand yard passer. He's

1594
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 10: thrown forty touchdown passes. He's going to finish with forty three,

1595
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 10: forty four, forty five on the year, something crazy like that.

1596
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 10: And you know, the knock on the Ravens, like I

1597
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 10: said about the Vikings, was that they weren't even the

1598
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 10: best team in their own division for a lot of

1599
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 10: the year. But they're about to win the AFC North.

1600
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 10: They should have twelve wins. They beat Josh Allen Head

1601
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,440
Speaker 10: to head. So you know, I'm not saying it's definitively

1602
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 10: should be his award, but I hope people didn't make

1603
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 10: up their minds a week ahead of time that Josh

1604
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 10: Allen needs to be MVP just because the Bills locked

1605
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,440
Speaker 10: up the two seed, because Lamar is having an absolutely

1606
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 10: incredible season. I think either one of them would be

1607
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 10: a very worthy winner if they wanted to do a

1608
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 10: co MVP situation like has happened a couple of times,

1609
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 10: that would be perfectly fine with me because they've both

1610
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 10: been outstanding.

1611
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing we know.

1612
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 4: Everybody in America truly wasted the last second to make

1613
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 4: up their mind when making a big decision.

1614
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: I'm just being silly, but taking a big decisions.

1615
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 4: Black Monday, as on the horizon, who's going to be

1616
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 4: the guy that gets fired?

1617
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: Dave?

1618
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 4: Where everybody looks at their Photosys, is this the real schefter?

1619
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 4: Is am I getting duped on Elon's Twitter?

1620
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 10: That is a That's a great question, and I'm because

1621
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 10: you can you can kind of set your watch, like,

1622
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 10: you know, we know we know the usual suspects. You

1623
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 10: know there's already two or three jobs open. We know

1624
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 10: we know the Jacksonville. Jobson Job is going to come

1625
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 10: open on Monday or even Sunday night. As far as

1626
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 10: surprising ones, the one that jumps out to me, like

1627
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 10: I just mentioned is probably Cincinnati. Maybe that wouldn't be

1628
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 10: super surprising when you've got a guy playing at an

1629
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 10: MVP level.

1630
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 11: I mean it look Joe Burrow is.

1631
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 10: I mean he is staking his claim as one of

1632
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 10: the three best quarterbacks alive. Yeah, I mean to waste

1633
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 10: a season like that.

1634
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 11: Is it's criminal.

1635
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 10: And you know, if the Bengals look, like I said,

1636
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 10: they need a lot of help.

1637
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 11: They need multiple.

1638
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 10: Teams to spring upsets for them to get into the playoffs.

1639
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 10: And when you see the way he's playing, to not

1640
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 10: even make the playoffs with your twenty eight year old

1641
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 10: quarterback playing.

1642
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 11: That way, it's a tough pill to swallow.

1643
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 10: So I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I

1644
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 10: think it's something that I'm at least going to have

1645
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 10: an eye on another one, just with all the turmoil

1646
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 10: in Indianapolis.

1647
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 11: Obviously, just a team that.

1648
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 10: Has very much underperformed, even knowing that Anthony Richardson was

1649
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 10: a young guy who was going to need a lot

1650
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 10: of time, just the way it's happened, you know, from

1651
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 10: him tapping out all the way back in October to

1652
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 10: the inexcusable loss to Denver and then the inexcusable loss

1653
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 10: to the Giants. We know, you know, Jim Irsay is

1654
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 10: kind of He's an owner with a lot of influence.

1655
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 10: He loves to sort of throw his weight around. So

1656
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 10: if he's disappointed enough by the way this season has

1657
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 10: gone in Indianapolis, that wouldn't surprise me either. I think

1658
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 10: those those are two teams that I don't see a

1659
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 10: lot of people talk about where I wouldn't be surprised

1660
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 10: if something happened.

1661
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 2: Dave, Thank you. We appreciate you coming on today so much.

1662
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 6: Thanks for all that SA anytime.

1663
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 11: Guys. Hey, Happy New Year, appreciate it.

1664
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: New Year. All right, We're gonna take one more break here,

1665
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: but when we come back, we're making our week eighteen

1666
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: NFL picks. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back

1667
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,879
Speaker 2: to Fox Football Saturday. I'm Alex Curry here with Martin Wise.

1668
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: Thank you for jumping in last minute with me today

1669
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,879
Speaker 2: for Carme. You were absolutely awesome.

1670
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 3: Happy to be here, practice squad call up.

1671
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Happy to have Yeah, we are broadcasting live from the

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: tark dot Com studios in Los Angeles, and it is

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: time for our week eighteen NFL picks. Producer Patrick, it's through, yes,

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01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: we here.

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 12: We are well.

1676
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 13: Based off of the last week's picks. Alex Yeah, Wow

1677
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 13: wow wow. Can we say five and zero for miss

1678
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 13: Alex Curry here, because dear.

1679
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,759
Speaker 3: Lord, we are honest.

1680
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,879
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about.

1681
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 13: And commendable for Carmen, who also is not here, but

1682
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 13: four and one come yeah, recommendable great. Like the ladies,

1683
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 13: you killed it, Carmen is still lost with one, Alex,

1684
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 13: you are still the leader in our clubhouse here currently

1685
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 13: fifty four to thirty to forty six and thirty eight.

1686
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 13: It's a who run away. It's a little bit of

1687
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 13: a runaway. Okay, Well, it is now a new week,

1688
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 13: as we say, dawn of a new era. Yep, and

1689
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 13: we're gonna go with one of our five here. Number one,

1690
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 13: we have the Cincinnati Bengals, who are two and a

1691
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 13: half point favorites on the road taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1692
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 13: Carmen has chosen the Bengals. Okay, are you gonna fall suito?

1693
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 2: I am also picking the Bengals here Joey b has

1694
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 2: been on a roll. We've been talking about it all

1695
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: day that he needed a little more respect in this

1696
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: MVP conversation, as Martin said, should probably be starting in

1697
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. But he's leading in passing yards, passing,

1698
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: Dutch touchdowns. The've won four in a row and still

1699
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: have a little chance for that last wild card spot,

1700
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: so they have a lot more to play for here. Meanwhile,

1701
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: Steelers are trending in the wrong direction at the wrong time.

1702
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: They've lost three straight. So I'm going with Cincy here.

1703
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 13: Sincey Cincy across the board here, and we'll you know.

1704
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: What, Martin, who picked Martin about you?

1705
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: I'll pick the Steelers. We're picking straight out.

1706
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: Oh we're picking straight out.

1707
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Bengal's not winning five games in a row.

1708
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's not happening. I'll pick the Steelers. Then

1709
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 4: the Steelers are going to lose five games in a

1710
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 4: row and the Bengals are gonna win five games in

1711
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 4: a row. The only good team the Bengals are beating

1712
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 4: all year is the Broncos, and it's questionable on good

1713
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 4: give me Steelish, all right.

1714
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 12: Martin, weis going Steelers against the Grain.

1715
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 13: Well, I see, let's go see if this is gonna

1716
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 13: be a little spicy.

1717
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 12: And we have the Commanders and they are.

1718
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: Not at home.

1719
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 13: They are on the road six and a half point

1720
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 13: favorite against Dale's Carowboys. Carmen has taken the Commanders and

1721
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 13: Alex Curry are we also going to.

1722
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: We are like I don't like when we're online all

1723
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: the time. But you know what, Commanders still have seating

1724
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: to play for. If they lose in the Packers win,

1725
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 2: they drop to that seven seed and would have to

1726
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: go to Philly in the first round. So they're not

1727
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: resting anybody. This is still a division game, which can

1728
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 2: be kind of weird. But Cowboys are missing Dak and

1729
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: CD and it's.

1730
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 4: Just I'll say this. I think the Cowboys cover six

1731
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 4: and a half, but I think Washington way okay, okay.

1732
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 4: This game is almost all every not every year, but

1733
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 4: this game is almost always close at the end of

1734
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: the year most of the time.

1735
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 3: Is watching's going to play for?

1736
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 13: This is also very true. All right, Martin, I'm I'm

1737
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 13: gonna cauntch you down on that, all right. Well, Number one,

1738
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 13: we have one of my teams that is near and

1739
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,959
Speaker 13: dear to my heart. It's my number ONESE My Seattle

1740
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 13: Seahawks are somehow season and a half point favorites on

1741
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 13: the road against the Los Angeles Rams.

1742
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 12: And yeah, Seattle's already out.

1743
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: I get it.

1744
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 12: Rams are in. We know Carmen picked the Seahawks, so

1745
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 12: she did me a favorite sided with me. Yay, thank you, Garmin.

1746
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: Alex not doing it, not doing it. I'm picking the Rams.

1747
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: It's still a rivalry game. Yes, the Seahawks would love

1748
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: to knock the Rams down, but I got I gotta

1749
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,560
Speaker 2: put my trust in McVeigh knowing what he's doing, and

1750
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: they're still going to try to win. Garoppolo is one

1751
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: of your best bet backup quarterbacks. I'm a little iffy

1752
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: on the resting like your biggest offensive weapons. But he

1753
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: knows something we don't.

1754
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 4: So Rams, Marden you guys, you and a Roth Marcosey

1755
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 4: earlier today talking about he thinks Jimmy G can win

1756
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 4: this game.

1757
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: All right, show me saw McVeigh, go win the game.

1758
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 3: With Jimmy G.

1759
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 12: There we go, Martin you two whatever, either way, we're going.

1760
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 12: Number four.

1761
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 13: We have we have the Chicago Bears on the road

1762
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 13: taking on the Green Bay Packers, and Lord have mercy

1763
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 13: they're ten point Yes, yeah, that's not.

1764
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 12: That is that is that is real.

1765
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: I did this one for Carmen.

1766
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,440
Speaker 12: She picked the Packers.

1767
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. This is going to be an

1768
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: easy win. Bears of lost ten straight. If the Packers win,

1769
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: they can move up if the Commanders lose. Crazy that

1770
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: the Packers are a seventh seed, possibly a seven seed

1771
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: at eleven and five.

1772
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for the Bears.

1773
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 4: Full disclosure, I'm actively rooting for the Bears. I do

1774
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 4: not want to see Thomas Brown lose another game. He's

1775
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 4: had a bad look as an interim head coach.

1776
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 13: I know, go Bears, go oh Martin, Martin always against

1777
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 13: the Grain. Well, we got the my other favorite team

1778
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 13: in the NFL. We have fine Minnesota Vikings taking on

1779
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 13: the Detroit Lions, who are at home two and a

1780
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 13: half point favorite.

1781
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 12: Carmen took the Lions.

1782
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alix are also taken the Lions. Is the game

1783
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: of the weekend. Both of them are fourteen and two,

1784
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: playing for the one seed and the bye and the division.

1785
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: I know Vikings are red hot with nine straight, but

1786
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 2: they did lose to the Lions earlier the season. Lions

1787
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 2: are hungry and at home recently had a bad loss,

1788
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: so I think they take advantage of it.

1789
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: Forward down the field. Go Lion.

1790
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for spending your Saturday afternoon with us.

1791
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week's same time, same place,