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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry sitting in for Dave, which makes this

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Speaker 2: That's right, A tale of survival of a young German woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why, but Julianne Kopka started making

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Speaker 1: the Rounds like a year ago, and since then everybody's

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Speaker 1: written on her story because it's an amazing story. But

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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out what it was that set it off.

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Speaker 1: I heard about her on like some Quora thread that

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Speaker 1: was suggested to me, and I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: made the rounds and.

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Speaker 3: She may have just opened up for business.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think so, because she released a

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Speaker 1: memoir and but that was back in twenty eleven, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. But she suddenly became part

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Speaker 1: of the zeitgeist. And I understand why for two reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: Zeitgeist is a German word, and she was a German

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Speaker 1: national by birth. And secondly, the story is just so

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Speaker 1: frankly amazing that everybody should know it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, there's a great verner Herzog documentary about it.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty quick watch for such a harrowing story,

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Speaker 2: but as all things for in our Herzog, I highly recommended.

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Speaker 1: It's called Wings of Hope or yeah, Wings of Hope.

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Speaker 3: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: So she was a young woman that was raised in

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Speaker 2: she sort of grew up with this, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think kind of idyllic life of you know, being this

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Speaker 3: She said.

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Speaker 2: She went to the school of the jungle and it

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Speaker 2: was a really unique upbringing for a young German woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean her parents were like hardcore. They were

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Speaker 1: in Germany. They met in Germany. They were like, where's

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Speaker 1: It's a large nature preserve now. But her parents founded

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Speaker 1: that and she was raised there starting in her tweens,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very sad event. Christmas Eve nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy one. She was a seventeen year old. She was

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Speaker 2: on a flight with her mom and looking to go

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Speaker 2: celebrate Christmas with dad, and this flight turned really scary.

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Speaker 2: There's a very bad storm and one of the sort

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Speaker 2: of one of the few times where you can point

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Speaker 2: to an actual plane being struck by lightning in the

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Speaker 2: And with about twenty minutes to go in the flight,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's said is apparently her mom was not a

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Speaker 1: horrible turbulence, like luggage was falling down on people from overhead,

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Speaker 1: she didn't leave the plane. The plane left me. She

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Speaker 2: Remembers literally remembers being in the air, falling toward the

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Speaker 2: She had pretty poor eyesight and was missing her glasses,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I say we take a break and come back,

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Speaker 1: this point, So you said, Flight five awaits considered the

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Speaker 1: worst lightning strike disaster in aviation history. Ninety one of

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Speaker 1: the ninety two people on board died, including her mother.

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Speaker 1: At this time, though when she'd landed miraculously survived falling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was two men and a woman who landed

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Speaker 3: And this is the part I don't quite get.

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Speaker 2: She checked the feet to see if it was her mother,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't. But and I'm not nickpicking, she was clearly traumatized.

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Speaker 2: But I thought her mom got ripped apart or ripped

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Speaker 3: But I guess that's a nippicky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know, I had the exact same thought, and

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Speaker 1: That's just I just can't imagine that stuff like that

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Speaker 2: Totally And that's a smart rule of thumb period, if

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Speaker 2: Said, for eleven days, she tried that creek, then stream,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when she came in the shack, their

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Speaker 1: You don't need glasses, do you just like some reading glasses?

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Speaker 2: So she, you know, she survived, she got flown to safety,

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Speaker 3: She avoided the media.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think she maybe didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: Man, it's just nuts. So yeah, in that documentary, apparently

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Speaker 1: and there's still yeah, man, plenty of wreckage just sitting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough stuff. She also talked to some

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Speaker 2: of the people who saved her. It's really amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to see that.

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Speaker 3: Then it's not long. You can watch it on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: There was something else that I thought was really great

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Speaker 1: I make it through this, I promised to dedicate myself

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Speaker 1: to nature and humanity, And after she was saved, she

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Speaker 1: made good on it. She's she's been She's used a

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Speaker 1: lot of her spotlight to help drum up. I guess

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Speaker 1: contributions and donations to preserve the Amazon, particular to preserve Peguana.

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Speaker 1: That the preserve appropriately enough. It started out I think,

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Speaker 1: around four hundred and forty five acres, and it's grown

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Speaker 1: to four thousand plus because of her, just through private fundraising.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if God was like, oh, I thought you

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Speaker 2: were going to say, like in service of me, but

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Speaker 2: that's cool, like that that's good too, or.

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Speaker 1: But first God said, how are you alive? So yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the other sweet things I think about this

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Speaker 1: is she returned to Peguana. She got her own doctorate

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Speaker 1: in biology. She focused on bats and worked with her dad,

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Speaker 1: and then her dad died in two thousands, so she

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Speaker 1: took over the Panguana Biosphere Preserve in research station, and

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Speaker 1: as far as I know, still runs the show there

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Speaker 1: and she considers it her sanctuary, just like it was

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Speaker 1: for her parents.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if she has shirts that says not that biosphere.

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Speaker 1: Amazing Tales Survival. I'll tell you that much, buddy.

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Speaker 3: And does that mean short stuff? Is it?

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Speaker 1: I would say so?

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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