Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Should try Intermittent fasting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Into It Quick Books. My name is Dan,
Speaker 1: and this coming to you from a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Roosevelt. What is up? Please? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: Interment besting. I f people speak highly of it. They
Speaker 1: didn't kind of a tough sitch for the old juicie
Speaker 1: old giving up a whole meal and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I struggle with it. I gotta be honest with you. Well,
Speaker 1: we know Greg would never do that. He's on a
Speaker 1: firm time schedule for eating. I mean, we only have
Speaker 1: so many days left, so many meals left. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna miss him. Gets to be two and Greg starts twitching.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't peg Greg as as needing it either. It's
Speaker 1: it's a late It's a weight loss and health management
Speaker 1: scenario of rom extremely balanced and health thing. Love you though,
Speaker 1: you know what was that? Mar? Here we go? I
Speaker 1: could we all could? Hey, that's the season? What do
Speaker 1: we call its? Body quest? Season? Body Quest? Absolutely, we're
Speaker 1: all on the body Quest. What do we got coming up?
Speaker 1: Already involved in it? Signed up for gym membership. Gym membership,
Speaker 1: nice um West. You have a baby on the way,
Speaker 1: and you have softball season coming, which I know you know.
Speaker 1: I hope that you'll be a part of Got to
Speaker 1: get the bob right, got to get the bod tight.
Speaker 1: All of this is true. Yes, I I do. I
Speaker 1: have some work to do in the bod tightening department. Greg,
Speaker 1: You're deeper into your forties now. If you want to
Speaker 1: continue to do your runs, you just got I am
Speaker 1: looking to mix it up because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard about this. Runs are the most boring thing
Speaker 1: I've ever made, and not good for you. The pounding
Speaker 1: on the pave, too too much of it to stitch
Speaker 1: on the joints. After a while, it depends on the surface.
Speaker 1: You can go to a track with a you know,
Speaker 1: a more sponge of it. Too much of it's bad.
Speaker 1: A couple of things. We're obviously we are back, well
Speaker 1: not obviously. I mean there's nothing as a listener that
Speaker 1: you could tell the difference. We are back from Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: We're in Los Angeles and it was a great time
Speaker 1: of the combine. I thought I got the vibe and
Speaker 1: Mark you and I went out with some UH colleagues
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night before we flew out on Thursday, and
Speaker 1: we were out the night before Tuesday as well. I
Speaker 1: had never seen Indie so on fire, and I mean,
Speaker 1: without again putting anybody's name out there. The coaches are flying,
Speaker 1: You've got scouts, You've got you've got some gms hanging around.
Speaker 1: People were out and looking to get at it. I
Speaker 1: I talked to one person in the know, little Peter King,
Speaker 1: that this is the coach's favorite week of the year,
Speaker 1: is that Indie week? Well at the owners meetings, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is enjoyable for them too, but they
Speaker 1: often bring their entire families and so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of extra stuff to do and probably some boundaries put
Speaker 1: around them on some level. At the combine, I sensed
Speaker 1: to no undres on anyone, And it's one of those.
Speaker 1: It was one combine I don't really remember one like
Speaker 1: this where afterwards we were on a text thread, UH
Speaker 1: multiple investigative text of our own and what we all
Speaker 1: got up stories on top of your actually happened. Try
Speaker 1: to unpack it all. It was pretty dense with um
Speaker 1: memorable moments, let's put it that way. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of favorite memories from the third Wednesday Night, um,
Speaker 1: but the one that stands out to me in the
Speaker 1: most vivid is We're at the famous bar hangout area
Speaker 1: Prime in Indy and Mark's next to me, and I
Speaker 1: think I'm kind of in the middle of a conversation
Speaker 1: or just maybe looking down at my phone, and then
Speaker 1: I hear Marco and there's an exact quotes I wrote
Speaker 1: at my phone exactly at the moment. Let's make some
Speaker 1: way for my man. And then Mark lands his hand
Speaker 1: on this guy's shoulder in a really familiar wife very
Speaker 1: crowded room. So I was doing him a favorite, and
Speaker 1: then Sean Payton swings his head up and then looks
Speaker 1: over at Mark. Can be expecting to see someone he
Speaker 1: knows very well, but my man. What I did was
Speaker 1: and we didn't stop him here helping him. I formed
Speaker 1: a corridor for him to get crowd you've been in Prime,
Speaker 1: it is highly annoying that Sean Payton is not six
Speaker 1: ft ten like some of these people rolling around the room.
Speaker 1: So it was like, let's make a corridor for the guy.
Speaker 1: I would call it a smile, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a little bit surprise well, I've had three
Speaker 1: or four interactions with Sean Payton, and they're all about
Speaker 1: that way in various settings. So I think one more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be a problem. Next time you see you
Speaker 1: might even say I love you, bro. I've seen several
Speaker 1: coaches give Mark that look. Well, listen, you only have
Speaker 1: a short amount. As Gregg says, there's only so many
Speaker 1: days left too uh, eat yogurt at a certain time
Speaker 1: and talk to not into John Lynch gave you that,
Speaker 1: gave a look perfect a reason in a bathroom walking
Speaker 1: through uh the hotel. But Mark, Mark and I had
Speaker 1: um Greg, you were out with some other friends West.
Speaker 1: I think you took it easy on Wednesday night. At
Speaker 1: this point in my life, I'm like a veteran NBA player.
Speaker 1: You just can't expect back to back, back to backs now.
Speaker 1: I I'm on load management. Yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 1: I totally got that. But Mark maybe is on some
Speaker 1: the same age as your performance enhancers, perhaps that he's
Speaker 1: able to do these back to back Well, Mark has
Speaker 1: taken quite a bit of time off lately, so may
Speaker 1: he may be like rested and ready to go. What
Speaker 1: does that mean? Well, like Jordan's after he went away,
Speaker 1: from the game. You had your dalliance with baseball for
Speaker 1: like the last eight months. Yeah, I think it's true.
Speaker 1: And I also think Wes you were you were an
Speaker 1: All Star. One of the nights I had quite anime
Speaker 1: with you, so that was a that was the major
Speaker 1: factor for Yeah. I could not make it the second night,
Speaker 1: but that Yeah, the night out, we ended up at
Speaker 1: a party that was a more kind of exclusive affair.
Speaker 1: There were in depth conversations with certain head coaches which
Speaker 1: you can't be shared here, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: a good one mine week, fun week. It was got
Speaker 1: out just in time. I feel like, alright, a lot
Speaker 1: coming to you guys, the listeners. Tom Cerrn, who was
Speaker 1: super plugged in, great New England sports guy who works
Speaker 1: for NBC Sports Boston. With all this Tom Brady stuff swirling,
Speaker 1: we wanted to get somebody in the know just to
Speaker 1: have a conversation about what's going on. Uh. This weekend
Speaker 1: and throughout Combine Week brought some reports. ESPN's Jeff Darlington,
Speaker 1: our former colleague, comes to mind that I think Darlington's
Speaker 1: wording was pretty strong that he'd be surprised if Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's back with the shocked even stronger than I remembered. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Tom Brady's agent was an indie doing the rounds,
Speaker 1: meeting with teams. So you know, I remember kind of
Speaker 1: throwing it out there to you, Greg back in early November,
Speaker 1: and you dismissed it. And that's not saying that you
Speaker 1: were wrong or right or whatever. But even then I
Speaker 1: said it more just to kind of, you know, get
Speaker 1: you fired up a little bit. But are you surprised
Speaker 1: where we are now that the kind of tenor I
Speaker 1: dismissed what that he would ever leave that he was
Speaker 1: leaving like stop it. It It was one of those Greg responses.
Speaker 1: It was more that we didn't know anything. Then I've
Speaker 1: kind of been open that I think it'd been interesting
Speaker 1: to start a new chapter with him. I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows. I don't have a Well,
Speaker 1: Tom current is plugged in up there. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Tom all about it. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: how about some news you're about Carl Terrible. Why would
Speaker 1: somebody do something like that? Well it was the Jets.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he just couldn't have taken eat him
Speaker 1: up inside atrophe. I know, let's just start with such promise.
Speaker 1: Then Donogans modeled seasons over by game three. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the word of Veronica, his family. That's a catastrophe.
Speaker 1: Of course. Hit his episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. I
Speaker 1: got about forty seven tweets this morning. Did you see
Speaker 1: Curb last night? I hadn't, but I went back in
Speaker 1: watched it, And basically the hook of the episode is
Speaker 1: that one of his golfing buddies, who like Larry David
Speaker 1: in real life Larry on the show, is also a
Speaker 1: big Jets fan, and the guy, because of the Jets
Speaker 1: uh dysfunction and struggles, ends his life. And Larry um
Speaker 1: knew this, knew why he actually did it, and the
Speaker 1: whole how how deep does it go and how far
Speaker 1: does it show Larry David's Jet fan bona fides. A
Speaker 1: big part of the end of the episode revolves around
Speaker 1: Austin Saverian Jenkins Jenkins touchdown fumble controversy against the Patriots
Speaker 1: about four years ago and a fury about that. So
Speaker 1: check it out if you're jetsmin or an NFL fan,
Speaker 1: because it's very funny. Somehow that show is still incredible.
Speaker 1: It's the best season in half a decade. Although I
Speaker 1: cannot get my hbo um device to load and so
Speaker 1: I cannot watch it. I tried to start at forty
Speaker 1: seven times last night and finally gave up WiFi issue.
Speaker 1: Maybe let's get to some NFL news. We'll start with
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, who have a decision to make it. It
Speaker 1: appears uh Yannick and Gockway he doesn't want to play
Speaker 1: with the Jags anymore, and he tweeted Monday morning that
Speaker 1: he has no interest in a long term deal in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He wrote that the Jaguars are aware of this. Duval
Speaker 1: I love you and gave you guys everything I got.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the journey and look forward to continuing
Speaker 1: my career elsewhere. Now that doesn't mean he's gone, though
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, because the team, according to rap sheet, UH
Speaker 1: plans to use the franchise tag on in Gockway, so
Speaker 1: he might not want to be around. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean the Jaguars have to trade him, or do they.
Speaker 1: They just went through this with a star defender with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. Do they hold the cards or do they
Speaker 1: not hold the cards? Anytime you can wield the franchise
Speaker 1: tag you hold the cards. But this is a franchise
Speaker 1: with cap issues. This may be one of the three
Speaker 1: or four worst. Uh, they're in maybe worse shaped than
Speaker 1: than all but three or four franchise in the UNFL,
Speaker 1: and maybe even worse than that. They don't have that
Speaker 1: much talent on the roster and yet they're up against
Speaker 1: the cap even though they have a quarterback making peanuts.
Speaker 1: How does that happen? Well, because they have another quarterback
Speaker 1: not making peanuts, who uh you know he isn't gonna
Speaker 1: play for them, probably much this year, Nick Foles, who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe they trade him away for nothing. But to your point, West,
Speaker 1: how do you draft? In Gockway in Jalen Ramsey? And
Speaker 1: who am I forgetting about? That was a good Jaguars
Speaker 1: draft pick that they've lost over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've won about at the lowest rate
Speaker 1: of any team in the NFL except for one year,
Speaker 1: for seven years, and they haven't developed their homegrown players.
Speaker 1: And it's very rare. You see, like such an obvious
Speaker 1: response from sources that in Gockway tweeted this out this
Speaker 1: morning and literally three minutes later, Adam Schefter had a
Speaker 1: team source from the Jaguars saying they were going to
Speaker 1: trade him. That was the timeline. It was like that
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's that's okay. You know he's saying that.
Speaker 1: But every team out there know that we're gonna use
Speaker 1: this tag because we want to at least trade him.
Speaker 1: They also lost Telvin Smith to a somewhat surprising retirement,
Speaker 1: and you know, they their core is gone, their defense.
Speaker 1: Remember it seems like every preview show we were tracking
Speaker 1: this abominable run defense down the stretch that was giving
Speaker 1: up like two d and nineteen yards a game. And
Speaker 1: you know, they got rid of some of the people
Speaker 1: making decisions and they kept up Maron and I have
Speaker 1: to wonder what they called up. But when you're hearing
Speaker 1: Agaqway say I just don't want to be part of
Speaker 1: this organization, there's a lot of vestiges of old issues.
Speaker 1: And Mike Gerrifilo talked about, you know, Nagakway and the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: the contract and talks if they've ever even been around,
Speaker 1: have been contentious. So you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you do unless you're you know, you keep for one year,
Speaker 1: you sign and trade him if you can. But if
Speaker 1: you're him, You're stuck playing in a contract year again
Speaker 1: where you want to go. You're making good money, what
Speaker 1: is it five? But any sort of injury late season
Speaker 1: messes up your future. Alan Robinson was was the guy
Speaker 1: was trying to think of who is the true number
Speaker 1: one receiver who they developed. They can open up some
Speaker 1: more money by cutting uh A J. Boyer, which might happen,
Speaker 1: but they've had a lot of swinging mss like Andrew Nora,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll be that hard to trade.
Speaker 1: He'll be expensive to get. But if you can trade
Speaker 1: Frank Clark on the tag, which is the case what
Speaker 1: happened last year, right, and then if you can trade
Speaker 1: d ford in both of those guys um whether they
Speaker 1: were on the tag or not, for its timing was
Speaker 1: different costs A pick and a big contract in got
Speaker 1: way to me, seems almost exactly in their tier of player,
Speaker 1: and someone's gonna give up I think a second or
Speaker 1: third round pick, whatever it's gonna be, and or more
Speaker 1: than that, I think I think he could get a
Speaker 1: first maybe considering his age he's not yet twenty five
Speaker 1: years old. It's this tricky because you gotta give what
Speaker 1: sixty million guaranteed in in twenty plus a year two.
Speaker 1: So it's just like really expensive. But some some team
Speaker 1: there's too much cap space. I'm gonna say it a
Speaker 1: million times, like, so you gotta spend the cap space
Speaker 1: to use it. I think the one thing that Gregor
Speaker 1: said about the Jaguars that is the seed of so
Speaker 1: many of these issues is when he took Leonard four Nett,
Speaker 1: a running back over their choice of quarterback X Y
Speaker 1: or Z. You could have changed the organization third round
Speaker 1: pick and got way. They've had some swings and misses,
Speaker 1: but he was not one of them. He's actually at
Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half sacks and four seasons with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. He's actually closing in on the team sack
Speaker 1: record all time. And you know what, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be around much longer. Sounds like in other news speaking
Speaker 1: of guys and the franchise tag and what's their future,
Speaker 1: I don't know. A j Green and the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 1: seemed to be at an impass. The Bengals currently planned
Speaker 1: to use the franchise tag on the wide receiver. Sources
Speaker 1: tell ESPN's Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler the Bengals want
Speaker 1: Green and Cincinnati in two thousand twenty UM, and the
Speaker 1: tag again is good scratch because people saying scratch anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's first I've heard scratching along them.
Speaker 1: He would be getting that bag? Is that good? That's
Speaker 1: that's Greg, you listened to the hip hop. Give me
Speaker 1: a good term, I mean getting that bag. Just doesn't
Speaker 1: really have that bag, young man, just confusing too well,
Speaker 1: we're just too old for that. I know, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine, you can, you can. The tag is estimated
Speaker 1: to be worth around a young and half million. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's got to be a middle ground. You're in
Speaker 1: a weird purgatory. Too young for scratch, too old for
Speaker 1: I'm a man without a country. UM eighteen and a
Speaker 1: half million would be his franchise number. Besides, have until
Speaker 1: July fifteenth to reach a long term deal. You can
Speaker 1: start tagging dudes on Thursday. So this is all happening
Speaker 1: right now. Anyway. Green turns thirty two in July. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played much in two years. Greg makes sense as
Speaker 1: a short term guy for Cincinnati with a new quarterback
Speaker 1: coming in, but again, will he use his leverage to
Speaker 1: try to make a deal to get out of there.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he won't because he he did say
Speaker 1: publicly he would be fine with the franchise tag earlier.
Speaker 1: And how much does he have a thirty two coming
Speaker 1: off a completely miss Yeah, I think I think that's
Speaker 1: part of it too, And I don't He's never been
Speaker 1: someone who's complained about being on the Bengals or said
Speaker 1: that he's been treated poorly, or says that ownership is
Speaker 1: um a problem. He's He's always said he's liked his
Speaker 1: experience there to be fair. And that offense, I feel
Speaker 1: like we've overhyped some Bengals offenses over the year. No,
Speaker 1: but Joe Burrow mixing green boyd Ross well, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: can play that. Everything just hinges on that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm wanting to watch them week one and
Speaker 1: we you know it could be fun. Now. An offensive
Speaker 1: line that gave up that was responsible for more sacks
Speaker 1: than any line in the league. That's a problem. They're
Speaker 1: getting a little healthier along the line too. I I'd
Speaker 1: still I'm assuming the coaching staff is talented. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a hint of that last NI. And they have
Speaker 1: they well because It's like, I want to give them
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt because it seemed like every
Speaker 1: a it's the Bengals and you're not getting a lot
Speaker 1: of support hitting the ground as a first year staff.
Speaker 1: To begin with, you lost a j Green all year.
Speaker 1: You you got stuck in an Andy Dalton snail where
Speaker 1: you benched him for someone even more milk toast. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I, they's a young coaching staff of guys
Speaker 1: with not a pedigree of winning, so it's hard to
Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt. He showed a
Speaker 1: little something very late, but man, it's not writing them off.
Speaker 1: Soud What what am I? What am I? You want
Speaker 1: to see the Week one go ahead? I will allow
Speaker 1: you to do that. You can be Bengals Browns. Browns
Speaker 1: aren't getting that, you know, nice Week one on CBS treatment.
Speaker 1: I don't need. I don't need last year might have
Speaker 1: with the CBS five Mark, welcome back, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: my corner from last year. You're back in the ten
Speaker 1: am Sunday window on the West Coast over and over again.
Speaker 1: But I think you know that I don't. I am
Speaker 1: fine with this. Yeah, back to let's prove something before
Speaker 1: we're you know much bally Hood and thrown in front
Speaker 1: of like Tony Room getting massacred in week one total
Speaker 1: the Spirodidas zone. That's fine. Speaking of Andy Dalton, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy year. We will never we could
Speaker 1: work here another ten years. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: offseason will ever feature this many name brand quarterbacks just
Speaker 1: completely kind of either twisting in the wind or there
Speaker 1: being some type of uh, you know, doubt about their
Speaker 1: future with their current team. It's pretty wild, and Dalton
Speaker 1: is one of those names out there. He's obviously not
Speaker 1: long for Cincinnati. Where will he go well? According to
Speaker 1: rap Sheet, three potential suitors for the long time storting
Speaker 1: starring QB have emerged, including the Chicago Bears, the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 1: and the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots of
Speaker 1: of course, the Bears um on that on that topic,
Speaker 1: they put their faith behind Mitch Drabinski at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, but uh, as Combine Week rolled on,
Speaker 1: you started to hear the expected whispers that yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not cutting Mitch Drabinsky, but will be damned if he's
Speaker 1: going to be the guy that we live and die
Speaker 1: with in By the way, I asked directly, Matt nag
Speaker 1: you this uh last week? I said, are you going
Speaker 1: to go to the town the whole route? What was
Speaker 1: his response? I don't think he answered me. Didn't get
Speaker 1: an answer. We're only as the enemy. We're only a
Speaker 1: couple of years away from checks um annual. Why can't
Speaker 1: we find out of seven billion people on Earth thirty
Speaker 1: two to play quarterback? And now, for the first time
Speaker 1: since I remember following football, we've got more quarterbacks than
Speaker 1: chairs in the game of musical chimps. There are too
Speaker 1: many starting quarterbacks in the NFL now. I mean, if
Speaker 1: this list of teams that ian through out there, and
Speaker 1: it's early, I don't think Dalton is any of these teams,
Speaker 1: you know, first choice. If he was in Chicago, he'd
Speaker 1: obviously be the backup. If it was with the Cult
Speaker 1: or the Patriots, maybe he's kind of a fallback plan
Speaker 1: depending on what else happens. But it's it's still great
Speaker 1: news for Andy Dalton. I mean, these are great, these
Speaker 1: are good. These are upgrades from the Bengals. His chances
Speaker 1: of starting, you know, meaningful the member games are in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It has gone up because I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to be either a backup or
Speaker 1: or on a team that's competitive. The Patriots thing is weird.
Speaker 1: That's been thrown out there by a number of people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is wishful thinking from Dalton.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's coming from the Patriots side at
Speaker 1: this point. But I don't know. There's something counterintuitive about
Speaker 1: me that I would like a little like Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: starting the playoff games. I could kind of say Dalton
Speaker 1: fitting with the Patriots. I really could. I could just see. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying like it's a four year relationship, but that
Speaker 1: that that's a possibility. Did you say that you felt
Speaker 1: like he would be a backup in Chicago to start
Speaker 1: the year. Yes, because they keep saying week one gets
Speaker 1: through training camp, where that would be the case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if he was with Chicago, I think they would
Speaker 1: give Drabinsky that that too. They would give him like
Speaker 1: three weeks to mess it up at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. I just my head is filled with visions
Speaker 1: of like that, like critical Week three preseason game where
Speaker 1: Dalton goes you know, ten for twelve hundred ninety eight
Speaker 1: with a touchdown and Mitchell Tripicky Trobiski throws two ugly
Speaker 1: interceptions and fumbles the ball. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: need to wait till mid September to make the switch there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel strongly either way. If
Speaker 1: if they go into camp and Trabinsky plays like he
Speaker 1: has the last two years, I think you'd have to
Speaker 1: go into the season with Dalton. It would be I
Speaker 1: would be excited to see. It would be like Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton carrying the hopes of Cincinnati on his back. It's
Speaker 1: like if if they can't win a playoff game, at
Speaker 1: least Andy Dalton, at least someone from those Marvin Lewis teams.
Speaker 1: I could do it. Great job chopping it up just
Speaker 1: now for seconds, because it allowed me to go through
Speaker 1: the whole league and figure out every quarterback that either
Speaker 1: has some uncertainty or you know, doesn't have a job.
Speaker 1: Right now, there's only one division, by my quick um scanning,
Speaker 1: that is unaffected by this whole situation right now. It's
Speaker 1: the NFC West Garoppolo, Russell Wilson, Jard Goff, and Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray in Pro football keeps throwing out head lines like that,
Speaker 1: Jimmy g Tom Brady Buzz will not do. So they
Speaker 1: you want me to put them on the list. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the list. Tom Brady, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Brisket,
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Dwayne Haskins,
Speaker 1: Mitch Robinsky, Matthew Stafford, Teddy Bridgewater, Jamis Winston, Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: all guys with some level of doubt slash in decision.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know, we don't know where they
Speaker 1: could be. That's crazy. And we've got this extra week here.
Speaker 1: This is what's happening this week. We got three shows.
Speaker 1: If there's no new cb A and who knows what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk. It keeps being the same topics over
Speaker 1: and over because the the NFL added a week here
Speaker 1: this offseason very quietly. Dan, you know this. You've been
Speaker 1: talking about pushing that you wanted to keep pushing the
Speaker 1: off season out, like get in the way of other sports.
Speaker 1: But like that's this is like a purgatory week here
Speaker 1: that we normally didn't have. We still have two weeks
Speaker 1: left till free agency, way back free agency. What happened
Speaker 1: right after the combine? Then they added one week and
Speaker 1: now it's two full weeks of just kind of build up,
Speaker 1: and especially because there's no cb A, I think teams
Speaker 1: are just kind of waiting to see what happens with that.
Speaker 1: From another angle, could have done, you know, with a
Speaker 1: with a lower level of news to discuss and kind
Speaker 1: of you know, scurring around to figure out what to
Speaker 1: do with the extra Phillentine could have done two shows.
Speaker 1: Could have been at the Sea today or the and
Speaker 1: I'll throw this out of here again. We talked about before,
Speaker 1: why not have the draft next week and then free
Speaker 1: agency and then just does or just to freegency the
Speaker 1: week after. Well, that goes against building you know, they
Speaker 1: want to own the whole calendar. If anything, I think
Speaker 1: they'd push the draft back further. It isn't just NBA
Speaker 1: fans always want their free agency and draft flipped because
Speaker 1: they go the way that you're suggesting, where the draft
Speaker 1: is before freeency? Where is thatfl fans often want to
Speaker 1: flip the other way. So maybe just people just aren't
Speaker 1: going to be happy no matter NBA heads, They just
Speaker 1: they will not shut up. There was oh, there is
Speaker 1: no off season in the NBA. Look how they're owning
Speaker 1: the sports world. It's all right, Colmdamn, nobody's watching your games?
Speaker 1: WHOA have you seen their ratings? They do have a
Speaker 1: long season, well followed immediately by the drafting free agency.
Speaker 1: They do have like just a long calendar. Let's work
Speaker 1: being developing a regular season of any meaning at all.
Speaker 1: We have a the NBA is struggling on that. We
Speaker 1: have an Anchor Acorman style street fight scheduled with the starters,
Speaker 1: those guys from the NBA. They're just gonna like, whoever wins,
Speaker 1: you know, will decide what's better. And then we have
Speaker 1: to start. Are we suddenly covering the NBA? If we
Speaker 1: if we were to thoroughly beat them down and remove
Speaker 1: to the point where they couldn't function anywhere? I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we? Or didn't it sounds just like a
Speaker 1: lot more work. And that's not what I was thinking. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a like an invasion thing like where
Speaker 1: we would take over the whole. No, that's not what
Speaker 1: I say. Just in an old school fight. Okay, Tony Romo,
Speaker 1: that's the big Domino. Forget about all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: He is staying at CBS and he is making some loot.
Speaker 1: That's good works. Give me the loot. Dough green Backs,
Speaker 1: green Backs, Sawbucks, womp them scratch. I don't even get Sawbucks.
Speaker 1: I'm sure someone will tweet me. I looked it up
Speaker 1: in a dictionary and this is what it means. Is
Speaker 1: that your Greg voice. No, it's just like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like whenever you had any open questions, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get like people, people tweeting. It's just figured out what's
Speaker 1: like the annoying voice, and it's not. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not aimed at Greg at all. Yeah, cvsn't Tony Romo
Speaker 1: have agreed to a multi year contract worth approximately, wait
Speaker 1: for it, seventeen million dollars per season. Rap Sheep reported
Speaker 1: A bunch of other people had it, including The New
Speaker 1: York Post, which was first to report the news. The deal, Okay,
Speaker 1: a couple of things. First of all, it like triples
Speaker 1: his previous salary. It is more money than I think
Speaker 1: he ever made any time as a player. I think
Speaker 1: he averaged nine million a year in his time with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Now he's making seventeen. The the thing that
Speaker 1: you could in terms of a comparison point. Similar situation
Speaker 1: with John Madden back in ninety three when he signed
Speaker 1: with Fox and he was making more than any player
Speaker 1: in the league. That's not Romo here, but seventeen million
Speaker 1: is astronomical and it will have fall out on that
Speaker 1: entire industry. You'd imagine, you know, Troy Aikman is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be looking for some money now, Like if Troy,
Speaker 1: what's Troy Aikman making right now? Seven million a year?
Speaker 1: Six million year? Is Tony Romo? I don't think it's
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars better than Troy Aikman West, He's in
Speaker 1: a category by himself. You are, You're worth. You're worth
Speaker 1: what people are the markets willing to pay you. That's well,
Speaker 1: that's that's for sure. And I've read, I've read a
Speaker 1: lot about this, just because the whole thing has been
Speaker 1: interesting to me. And one of the things that worked
Speaker 1: out for him beautifully timing wise, was first of all,
Speaker 1: the brevity of the previous contract and then the fact
Speaker 1: that they are you know, they have the rights negotiations
Speaker 1: coming up for the network, uh to decide who's going
Speaker 1: to cover NFL games, and CBS is a broadcast network,
Speaker 1: as anybody that's following media knows, and just you know,
Speaker 1: if you're alive, the broadcast is no longer king broadcast channels.
Speaker 1: They don't have the the carry and the wealth they
Speaker 1: used to have compared to some of these Cable and
Speaker 1: Netflix and Disney and all that stuff. And what CBS
Speaker 1: does here is they make an investment saying, listen, we
Speaker 1: might not be the powerhouse we used to be in
Speaker 1: terms of UH as a network, but we have Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: So the the deal goes through three years at the minimum,
Speaker 1: and then the right steal comes and if they do
Speaker 1: re up and CBS keeps football, it ends up lasting
Speaker 1: I believe ten years in total, at which point I
Speaker 1: don't know, seventeen times ten million. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a bargain, but it's fine, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's more worth it. Well that's true too. But like
Speaker 1: if if you found out that um Tom Selleck was
Speaker 1: making you know, five six million dollars a year on
Speaker 1: blue Bloods on CBS, people would be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense for selling people love blue Bloods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the number one show on TV by fire.
Speaker 1: Blue Bloods is buried, you know. It's like if you
Speaker 1: wouldn't you wouldn't. Well, I think they season Seven's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying my point is CBS to where you know
Speaker 1: football Dorset. It's the number one show, so you your
Speaker 1: number one actor. There's even like a half of one
Speaker 1: percent scenario where CBS doesn't get football though, and then
Speaker 1: we have lost Tony Romo to essentially like two or
Speaker 1: three months of golf a year. That would be probably thematic.
Speaker 1: Friends actors made what a million in episode? You're telling
Speaker 1: me Romo is not worth a million of game. I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing with you. Michael Thomas is arguing with you know,
Speaker 1: and my what did Michael Thomas? Michael Thomas basically said
Speaker 1: nobody who's calling the game should make more than anybody
Speaker 1: who's playing the games, to which I would say, give
Speaker 1: me a break. You're chasing a bag of wind around
Speaker 1: the park. Why can't a guy talking about you chasing
Speaker 1: a bag of went around around the park make as
Speaker 1: much money as you whatever the market will bear. Is
Speaker 1: what happened, Like, what are we doing? What? None of
Speaker 1: you are brain surgeons. The person announcing the game has
Speaker 1: the ability to take a very dull, boring game and
Speaker 1: add some life and interest to it. That's not so
Speaker 1: there's only one Romo, there's another fifty players probably that
Speaker 1: are making between what Romo makes and whatever the number
Speaker 1: two guy makes. So it's not like that there's a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, Mikey Thomas, come back to us. Are you
Speaker 1: paying attention to the most lucrative route for a post
Speaker 1: playing career it's going into the booth or going to
Speaker 1: a studio and being an analyst. Tony Romo just reset
Speaker 1: the entire market. Wait, when you should be celebrating the
Speaker 1: man when he's forty. Michael Thomas won't feel this way,
Speaker 1: Greg Old mark Ingram was on our coverom. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like they're planning their post careers. There was this
Speaker 1: one report from Andrew Marchan at The New York Post
Speaker 1: that before signing Romo to the full deal, CBS offered
Speaker 1: Peyton manning Romo's job. Have you sitting this? CBS did
Speaker 1: that preemptively that they were concerned that they weren't gonna
Speaker 1: get it or have to pay too much because of
Speaker 1: the stuff you're talking about money wise that I'm not
Speaker 1: from New York Post, so they thought he might leave
Speaker 1: for ESPN. If he left, they needed to have somebody
Speaker 1: because the number two guy, and we love him, the
Speaker 1: bird and the Beard, but Dan founds he's not He's
Speaker 1: not bringing what Romo brings, So they would have had
Speaker 1: to find someone to make a splash to again make
Speaker 1: them enticing come re uptime. Yes, people have to be
Speaker 1: happy about this. Yeah, if you're a Monday night football too,
Speaker 1: and you're part of that production you have, it is
Speaker 1: discons is disquieting and you know not that this would
Speaker 1: become as a huch shocked. There were some issues with
Speaker 1: that production, we know, but that you know your own
Speaker 1: company is just went all out to try to get
Speaker 1: someone other than you to headline your show. It's just
Speaker 1: not a great feeling in any job, industry, any relationship.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine why you'd want that. Did you say
Speaker 1: you think ESPN is happy about this? No, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: some people that working currently that maybe are thinking they
Speaker 1: would have incumbents will yeah, at to have the job
Speaker 1: that job. Yeah, and yet well, you know, like Mark saying,
Speaker 1: that's a tough situation though, tough sitch because now they
Speaker 1: know you actively were trying to replace them, Like at
Speaker 1: what point, well, at least, but they'd have to know
Speaker 1: that anyone would be going up to Tony Romos in
Speaker 1: a Bruce arean situation where they're like openly, you know,
Speaker 1: talking trash about Jamis Winston. Y're talking about other people.
Speaker 1: But we're all we've documented this almost weekly on the
Speaker 1: show since the end of the season. We're all very
Speaker 1: happy that Tony is at CBS. You stayed together for
Speaker 1: the kids and you stay with your your boy, Jimmy Nance.
Speaker 1: Good news for a ball I'm happy for jim was
Speaker 1: one of the biggest winners. Jim Nance finally catches a
Speaker 1: break everything at Vineyard Vines to celebrate Tony Romo's extension. Um, oh,
Speaker 1: this is I just want to hit on this quickly
Speaker 1: just because it's it's funny to me and it does.
Speaker 1: Everyone take everything with a grain of salt when you
Speaker 1: hit all these reports about where people could be going,
Speaker 1: who's talking to who, where someone's likely to land, and
Speaker 1: free agency, because we're still a bit off, how we
Speaker 1: how long until free agency kicks off? Three weeks, two
Speaker 1: week weeks, it's a lot of time that's forever in
Speaker 1: football terms. So yesterday, good example, Jack Conklin, former first
Speaker 1: round pick right tackle of the Titans. He's hitting the
Speaker 1: market and Mike Florio p FT reported that Conklin is
Speaker 1: expected to sign with the Jets. The Jets obviously a
Speaker 1: team that he didn't say expected to be fair to
Speaker 1: uh to world, this is happening now with like a
Speaker 1: game of you know, telephone, and they wrote he's expected.
Speaker 1: They just he said that he had one source that
Speaker 1: one team expected that thought, uh, you know, Conklin was
Speaker 1: going to the Jets. Okay, So Florio had a source
Speaker 1: saying one team thought Conklind was going to New York.
Speaker 1: That sits out there for about three or four hours.
Speaker 1: He gets aggregated across the land. Everyone now assuming that
Speaker 1: Conklin's locked in as the Jets right tackle as they
Speaker 1: begin their rebuild there. And then ESPN is Adam Schefter
Speaker 1: um at about yeah, about two and a half hours
Speaker 1: later reports that impending free agent alright tackle Jack Conklin
Speaker 1: is not expected to sign with the Jets, and not
Speaker 1: only is he So we had the Florio kind of
Speaker 1: report that said he was going to sign with the Jets,
Speaker 1: said one NFL team has been informed that Conklind planned
Speaker 1: to sign with the Jets. Jefters wasn't just like, actually
Speaker 1: Conklin's market is still fluid, that nobody know. It was
Speaker 1: actually the report that Conklind has gonna have many suitors,
Speaker 1: but the Jets are not on his list. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I read that yesterday. So it was like the exact
Speaker 1: opposite spectrum and it all happened within three hours. Grain
Speaker 1: of salt, keep that in mind, keep your head on
Speaker 1: a swivel. He is not expected to land with the
Speaker 1: offensive line needed Jets. That's what was in Schefter's tweet.
Speaker 1: I mean that feels like also when you're at that
Speaker 1: last day of the combine and I know you can
Speaker 1: just text everyone no problem, but there was a lot
Speaker 1: of information passing to and fro, just because all these
Speaker 1: people were sort of in the same room and corridors.
Speaker 1: Some wild stuff, and especially at night eightning Dan, I
Speaker 1: think we heard some people say some things that were
Speaker 1: slightly jaw dropping, but you can't go do anything with it.
Speaker 1: But Schefter, I think he is doing a good job
Speaker 1: covering bases, you know what I mean, Like, if you're
Speaker 1: Conklin's agent, you cannot have that out there now, no
Speaker 1: matter what, whether he signs with the Jets or not.
Speaker 1: And of course whoever that is doesn't want it out
Speaker 1: there anyways because they want to see what It's still
Speaker 1: too early for that even if the expectation I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if if you're getting really excited about the conflint last Sonna,
Speaker 1: don't don't get to this. It's like, I want that
Speaker 1: B minus guard for fifteen million dollars a year. He
Speaker 1: was a great right tackle last year. I I did
Speaker 1: some deep dive. He's he's a very good Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a very good pass blocker or a very good run blocker,
Speaker 1: but not a very good pass blocker. That's what they said.
Speaker 1: Pf s big mistake by the Titans not giving him
Speaker 1: a fifth year option, which basically has no risk to it.
Speaker 1: And uh but he he came off an a c
Speaker 1: L injury and didn't play well in two eighteen. Lukewarm take,
Speaker 1: and then you know more than we do. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Let my lukewarm take, which I don't won't think matters
Speaker 1: anymore because they're changing the fifth year option quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Is that every single player that's ever shown a pulse
Speaker 1: to just get the fifth year option, because because it's
Speaker 1: not guaranteed anyways, you might as well just do. I
Speaker 1: feel like three out of four guys, or maybe four
Speaker 1: out of five guys get it right. Some are just
Speaker 1: such depressing. You don't do that, I said, if you've
Speaker 1: shown a pulse, Conclin was a pro bowler, is rookie
Speaker 1: year he you know, it's a great example your boy
Speaker 1: David and Joeku where it looks like he could go
Speaker 1: either way. Probably will, but he's a perfect example. He
Speaker 1: has shown something, but really not much anybody right, and
Speaker 1: it's it's fair to say that maybe the regime three
Speaker 1: regimes ago, which was only about three and a half
Speaker 1: years ago, might have felt differently, but he probably never
Speaker 1: knows how anyone feels about him. How could you? Uh. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, Tom Brady and his boy Julian Edelman,
Speaker 1: We're with Jimmy Fallon, the talk show host at a
Speaker 1: Syracuse North Carolina basketball game over the weekend, and we
Speaker 1: had a viral clip mark, why don't you set this
Speaker 1: up because I think Ricky has some sound as well.
Speaker 1: Take us through the process. Well it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: sideline courtside seats, and you've got, uh, Julian Edelman, who
Speaker 1: looked to me to be roughly suddenly seventeen years older
Speaker 1: than the last time I saw him, with to his left,
Speaker 1: Jimmy fall On into his right much closer to the
Speaker 1: camera tom Brady, and you'll hear Edelman basically when they
Speaker 1: kind of cut to these guys saying, you know, he's staying,
Speaker 1: he's staying something along those coming back, coming back and
Speaker 1: and and you really like you need to go seek
Speaker 1: this out online too, because the look in the awkward
Speaker 1: set in looks on Tom Brady's face over the next
Speaker 1: like ten twelve seconds is uh, it is. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of you know, even in some articles
Speaker 1: that set out there for twenty four hours, people trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what he actually said. An NFL network
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that what Tom Brady said at
Speaker 1: the end of all this, which initially was meant to
Speaker 1: be negative, like he's not or whatever he said, he's
Speaker 1: got it, like Edelman's got the news, but not in
Speaker 1: a way that would make you think if you're a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan, Greggy watched it would make you feel comfortable
Speaker 1: it have Yeah, likes to listen to it, But I
Speaker 1: think it's the visual you have to look at two.
Speaker 1: He's coming back, He's coming back. He's got it. So Edelman,
Speaker 1: he's coming back, He's coming back. Some random guy to
Speaker 1: Brady goes what did you tell be him? Who's the
Speaker 1: Syracuse coaches? He still there? Yes, he has been there
Speaker 1: Forrady goes, Brady goes, he's got it. It sounds like
Speaker 1: what some people said he said he's not as he's
Speaker 1: not coming. He did say he's got They isolate the
Speaker 1: and the NFL network guys did a good job like
Speaker 1: boosting up his audio isolating it. It's like almost like
Speaker 1: they led the show with this, and it was great
Speaker 1: because the facial expression is very much I interpreted it
Speaker 1: more as just why you know, I'm I'm on TV.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of it. I Am trying to have no reaction,
Speaker 1: but there's no way to have no and it's just
Speaker 1: like like a grin that with his teeth beard and
Speaker 1: Edelman's reaction was funnier because it was definitely the Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is the Alpha and their relationship reaction and like, oh,
Speaker 1: did I go too far pushing the guy who's like
Speaker 1: made my career in a little sheepish he like he
Speaker 1: like crosses his arms just for Christmas. And Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 1: typically knows what he's gonna be saying left and he
Speaker 1: just had no idea what to do with the moment either.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a nice bushel of awkwardness. I like
Speaker 1: this intrigue. Maybe that's rare among Patriots fans. You're you're
Speaker 1: legitimately playing with house money. Even if this goes terribly
Speaker 1: some ways, it's all fun for you and on. I
Speaker 1: would rather Tom Brady, and maybe we can talk about
Speaker 1: this with Tom Curran, who's coming up. But I'd rather
Speaker 1: have Tom Brady struggle in another uniform than struggle with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. All right, I just don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: Let's that is a good way to get into it. Now,
Speaker 1: Let's get him on the phone. Mr Tom Current, Tom
Speaker 1: are you there, come right here? Yes, I am there.
Speaker 1: He is, Tom Curran, Tom Dan hands is here. Um.
Speaker 1: Whenever we talk about Tom Brady or the Patriots in general.
Speaker 1: You know, Greg's our right hand right hand man when
Speaker 1: it comes to New England stuff, and he will cite
Speaker 1: your name more than anyone else as a quote unquote
Speaker 1: person he trusts to know the situation. And in these
Speaker 1: times we need you, Tom Curran, to give us the
Speaker 1: on the Tom Brady situation. We just finished breaking it
Speaker 1: down the Bruder film style, the Syracuse game. Um, where
Speaker 1: are we at right, now, give us a little insight,
Speaker 1: please help us. Well, let's start right there because we
Speaker 1: now have enhanced aut y. Are you guys good with
Speaker 1: the studio? It was beautiful, okay, So it's just a
Speaker 1: question about Beeheim and he said, uh, he's got it
Speaker 1: or whatever. So we're good on now, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: move on from that. So you're saying he was definitely
Speaker 1: responding to the Beeheim question and the depths there he
Speaker 1: gave to Julian. We're not going to read into that.
Speaker 1: The death Stary gave to Julian was the kind of
Speaker 1: death stare you give you a little brother when you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, all right, I'll go to the game
Speaker 1: with you. It'll be good for your brand. Let's go
Speaker 1: have some um and then you play it along and
Speaker 1: the camera comes over and the little brother can't help himself.
Speaker 1: He does something that makes me say, you know, I
Speaker 1: knew that you would do something that I regretted, and
Speaker 1: Is did and that's not what I was looking for.
Speaker 1: So that's why I thought. Brady said, let's not as in,
Speaker 1: let's not here. I got that. And by the way,
Speaker 1: so far even and Tom, you and I haven't really
Speaker 1: had a chance to to really speak at length together.
Speaker 1: We're not buddies yet, but you've already cleared up a
Speaker 1: major situation. So Greg scouting of you is spot on
Speaker 1: through about ninety seconds. I mean, Tom and I go
Speaker 1: way back. We we worked at multiple places together, and
Speaker 1: anyone that's followed the Tom Brady's career they know Tom
Speaker 1: Curran has been inextricably linked to him ever since Tom current.
Speaker 1: It was a strategic move. He wouldn't say this, but
Speaker 1: early on in the Bledsoe Brady time together, he had
Speaker 1: called Drew Bledsoe a hood ornament. In print in the
Speaker 1: Boston Herald, he would call him Robert Craft's hood ornament,
Speaker 1: a thing he put on his car to distract all
Speaker 1: the Patriots fans, his contract from everything going on. And
Speaker 1: Tom planted his flag in a in a sixth round
Speaker 1: pick out of Michigan before anyone else did. And these
Speaker 1: players they remember these things. I mean, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: if you watched that training camp in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: what you would have seen, if you were watching mostly
Speaker 1: would have been inescapable to you too. The skinny kid
Speaker 1: looked way better than the statue from Washington State. You've
Speaker 1: also go ahead. It was an intervention that formed that
Speaker 1: Bilba check well to this day say thank god because
Speaker 1: I was about a week from bench in him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you've also contributed one of my favorite words to lexicon
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Greg tells us that when he says
Speaker 1: somebody's honking, oh, that's a Tom Current original. I think
Speaker 1: I grabbed that from the Globe, but I actually think
Speaker 1: Worrio credited me for coining Swiss army knife. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that that can't be true. That's nice. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that I was. He might have heard it from
Speaker 1: me first. But you know how it is up there
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. It's things washing shore there late. Um
Speaker 1: So I go way back with Greg and the great
Speaker 1: thing about covering this team, and this is where this
Speaker 1: coverage is different, is there are nuances to covering this team.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get in with individual people, it's hard
Speaker 1: to build the trust, and it's hard to cover this
Speaker 1: team from afar. There are much There are many folks around,
Speaker 1: people who get very exercised when they get on the
Speaker 1: phone and start talking to folks. And I try and
Speaker 1: divide and take out a little bit of the stuff
Speaker 1: that I think is emotional. Hm, the people around Tom
Speaker 1: or around the team or around ownership might say, like,
Speaker 1: right right now, what do you think is emotional? That's
Speaker 1: maybe getting out there because this last week we reached
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it'll get even crazier, but we kind
Speaker 1: of reached peak Brady speculation, especially on ESPN with their
Speaker 1: old friend, you know, Jeff Darlington's saying he'd be shocked
Speaker 1: if Brady was back there. And I get along great
Speaker 1: with Jeff, and Jeff is very well plugged in. I
Speaker 1: believe with everything Brady right now. I just have seen
Speaker 1: this movie too many times here in New England, where
Speaker 1: you think something is absolutely, positively definitely gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: you get to a point where you walk a plank
Speaker 1: and it's hard to come back. I wouldn't be stunned
Speaker 1: if Tom Brady came back. Nikissario's back, Josh McDaniels came back,
Speaker 1: Beyond Branched came back, Jamie Collins came back. There is
Speaker 1: a pitch and I wrote this today that will be
Speaker 1: made to Tom Brady, and it's not going to necessarily
Speaker 1: revolve around We're gonna get to this player and this
Speaker 1: player and this player in this player, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: pay you this much money and we're going to commit
Speaker 1: to you for this long. The pitch is really going
Speaker 1: to consist of, in my estimation, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Where is it going to be better?
Speaker 1: Where are they going to understand what it's like? With
Speaker 1: two minutes left, we're down for and we need to
Speaker 1: manage it. Do these guys know of situational things? Do
Speaker 1: they know what you expected? Even at the same verbi
Speaker 1: each nerosense? Are you going to coach the coaches to
Speaker 1: coach the players? Because those are all the things, Tom,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna encounter out there. It's gonna be very
Speaker 1: frustrating for you at But can they have a conversation
Speaker 1: with him like that? I mean, is that that? Is
Speaker 1: that how you would play that conversation? I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't got to be the first thing
Speaker 1: i'd say when he's you get there? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the first thing I say? Is what are
Speaker 1: you thinking about? I think it's a Look, there were
Speaker 1: some mistakes we made, as you know, Tom, Um, there's
Speaker 1: things that didn't work out, there's injuries that arose. That's
Speaker 1: all in the past. I think it makes sense forward.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense to pitch the competitive advantage
Speaker 1: of staying in an environment that knows him so well
Speaker 1: and vice versa versus, you know, shifting gears to a
Speaker 1: lesser team that you find out half these NFL teams
Speaker 1: are running away, that would be completely unacceptable to Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: But do you think that Belichick and Robert Kraft are
Speaker 1: on the same page when it comes to the future
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady the desire to even have that conversation
Speaker 1: and do whatever it takes to keep him uh from
Speaker 1: getting out of the building. Yes, And I reported that,
Speaker 1: you know in the story that I wrote today that
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and the Patriots and the coaching staff is
Speaker 1: very committed to trying to convince Tom Brady to stay in.
Speaker 1: Do they make a two year commitment? I mean, had
Speaker 1: they done the Drew Brees contract last year, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here now, two years, fifty million dollars, damn done,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be sitting here. They resisted the two years.
Speaker 1: They said, we want to go year to year. That's
Speaker 1: not what Brady wanted. That's why he asked for and
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity to not be franchised because Robert
Speaker 1: Craft didn't want Brady to come back against his will.
Speaker 1: He didn't want him to feel tethered. He didn't think
Speaker 1: that was productive. So that's why we are where we are.
Speaker 1: But Robert Craft also understands that he is running a risk,
Speaker 1: but he does want him, embold and Belichick to do
Speaker 1: what he's always done, which is run the football side
Speaker 1: of things. The notion that Robert Craft interview named on
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo isn't accurate. It crew legs, it, crew wings it,
Speaker 1: crew tentacles and it's run wild. It didn't happen, and
Speaker 1: I've been told that directly by Craft that it's a
Speaker 1: bleeping lie. I didn't do that, and I believe them.
Speaker 1: I see so much of what you're saying about the
Speaker 1: benefits of staying in New England, and I really don't
Speaker 1: want to see him go somewhere else and failed because
Speaker 1: the coaching infrastructure isn't there and the players aren't there.
Speaker 1: But what about the idea. There are very few athletes
Speaker 1: in history I'm thinking, like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: on the level of Tom Brady's career where there are
Speaker 1: multiple peaks once you think he's done. He just keeps
Speaker 1: peeking and peeking and peaking. There are only a handful
Speaker 1: of guys in the history of sports like that. What
Speaker 1: about the idea of Tom Brady creating a new challenge
Speaker 1: for himself, because there's no challenge left that exists. But
Speaker 1: the difference with those guys is they were either an
Speaker 1: individual sports or team sports, in which it was much
Speaker 1: small dollar for Tom to orchestrate that in a different place.
Speaker 1: To win part of culture on a fifty three or
Speaker 1: sixty man roster, when you get through all the people
Speaker 1: who come in and out and on a coaching staff,
Speaker 1: is much more difficult to do. That's why to me,
Speaker 1: Tennessee makes the most sense, because there's a culture in place,
Speaker 1: and there's he's pre sold in terms of what Mike
Speaker 1: Grabel will say, just listen to him and just watch
Speaker 1: what he does, and this is what we want. So
Speaker 1: I think that's an advantage. But I think it's much
Speaker 1: harder for him to do that. But I do think
Speaker 1: that he's enthused by that in and for a large
Speaker 1: part of he'd go to the line and say, what
Speaker 1: am I gonna do on this play? I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's going to be in the right spot. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be in the right spot.
Speaker 1: I have no tight end. As as far as last year,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen over there at
Speaker 1: left tackle. I'm probably gonna end up having to throw
Speaker 1: this ball away. And he did that a league leading
Speaker 1: by a large amount five times. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: go through that again this year. I was amazed. Part
Speaker 1: of the story, you know, the Syracuse game that we
Speaker 1: didn't even mention, which is that he was facetiming with
Speaker 1: with raybel rabel at In in Indianapolis certainly did not
Speaker 1: hesitate to talk about Brady, to talk about his friendship,
Speaker 1: to talk about how many challenges he thought Brady presented
Speaker 1: as a playoff opponent, Like if if he's trying to
Speaker 1: use that as a negotiating thing with Ryan Tannehill, I
Speaker 1: mean to me, it's working and and they're like FaceTime
Speaker 1: and these are forty something your old men. First of all,
Speaker 1: do you guys does anyone FaceTime with with other men?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like all the time. I'd rather not
Speaker 1: discuss my private life. I'm just saying, who facetimes except
Speaker 1: for like with their kids? Or their wife. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The fact that he's facetiming with Rabel
Speaker 1: on a random February day with Julian Edelman, that seems significant.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They live a different life than we do, fellas,
Speaker 1: they live different right, But I do think one thing
Speaker 1: that you mentioned there, in terms of the campering and
Speaker 1: the notion that Mike Rabel is doing a lot of eyebrows,
Speaker 1: one up my unders standing as the Patriots are quote
Speaker 1: in a story I wrote recently, not going to be
Speaker 1: quote super vigilant about the tampering for two reasons. One,
Speaker 1: they don't feel their competition with other teams is financially based.
Speaker 1: They're selling situation, not a paycheck. Even though Tom Brady
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get nickel and dimed again because he
Speaker 1: feels he has been. They're more about what's the situation
Speaker 1: that you have here as opposed to other places. Secondarily,
Speaker 1: when they sit down with him to eventually talk about money,
Speaker 1: they don't want him to be of a mind that
Speaker 1: I don't know what's out there yet. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what's going to go on. I need to go
Speaker 1: to free agency to find these things out. So there
Speaker 1: is an advantage to that. So while I think that
Speaker 1: it does raise eyebrows, I've been told the Patriots are
Speaker 1: not going to be chasing tampering charges all over the planet, alright.
Speaker 1: Percent chance. By the way, I find that our employer
Speaker 1: is often selling a situation versus a paycheck as well,
Speaker 1: So I can understand very often part in the storm
Speaker 1: percent chance that Tom is wearing not Tom current Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is wearing a different uniform week one. Oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna love to see answer. All right, Well still, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I guess my my last question Tom for you is,
Speaker 1: since you have had, you know, a level headed viewpoint
Speaker 1: on this, I think we all think and uh, are
Speaker 1: you at all surprised where it is right now compared
Speaker 1: to where you thought it would have been, let's say,
Speaker 1: in October when there started to be some percolation about
Speaker 1: his struggles and his contract was up. Are you surprised
Speaker 1: that where we're here right now, where it feels fifty
Speaker 1: fifty and you're getting these reports out there, or is
Speaker 1: this something you kind of saw coming? It was always
Speaker 1: gonna be a little um messy this time of year
Speaker 1: with the contract coming up. No, I knew it was
Speaker 1: gonna look exactly like this, probably actually worse because in
Speaker 1: August and late July before they were able to get
Speaker 1: the contract done, um, you know, Brady expected a longer amendment.
Speaker 1: When he didn't get it, he really and the folks
Speaker 1: around him were like, okay, you know what funds fun.
Speaker 1: But now we have no players around him. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go out there. Things aren't gonna look good. And then
Speaker 1: when the Antonio Brown situation came and went, I don't
Speaker 1: think Brady was psyched about it. I really don't think
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was psyched about the way that went down either.
Speaker 1: That became further agitation for Brady, and the season bore
Speaker 1: it out. He ended up taking the brunt of the
Speaker 1: blame for well, he's slipped and he's forty two, you know,
Speaker 1: and so many of those games. Yeah, he he did
Speaker 1: show less pocket poison patience than in past years, but
Speaker 1: the arm strength there, the pocket mobility is still there.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen a physical dip from him.
Speaker 1: So most people, if you asked ten people, I think
Speaker 1: that nine would say, yeah, he's slipping. I think that
Speaker 1: as that season wore on, he wasn't that psyched about that.
Speaker 1: That he had to bear the brunt of it, and
Speaker 1: he had to stand there and you could see that
Speaker 1: in his face. So I kind of felt that it
Speaker 1: was going to trend this way um the whole time.
Speaker 1: What fascinates me is when push comes to shove over
Speaker 1: the next ten days, fifteen days, whether the Patriots will
Speaker 1: be able to exert upon him and convince him that, look,
Speaker 1: this is the best place for you. It always has been,
Speaker 1: it always will be. We want you here. Do you
Speaker 1: really think his pocket mobility hasn't slipped at all? Pocket mobility? No,
Speaker 1: he is using to me his ability to elude the rush. Duckers,
Speaker 1: shoulders move around people. Yeah, Like I think it's significantly
Speaker 1: Ted Carris in front of him instead of David Andrews
Speaker 1: who had Marshall Newhouse for a chunk of the season
Speaker 1: instead of trend round Um. Jack Mason didn't have as
Speaker 1: good as season. It was a circus. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: I think Brady Brady could be getting motivation from his
Speaker 1: his old pal Tom Curran, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: in Tom Curran spot, Uh, he's got his radio show,
Speaker 1: he's got his TV show. It's like they give up
Speaker 1: the writing part of it. We we've seen it with
Speaker 1: our careers. Our writing is dropped off, but Curran's out there,
Speaker 1: He's still spinning gems. I'm just telling you want to
Speaker 1: read about Tom's great you get a Christmas card from
Speaker 1: Tom Brady? No, okay, no, you could read Tom's latest column,
Speaker 1: the one that he's referenced on this show today at
Speaker 1: NBC Sports Boston dot com slast Patriots, Patriots, and you
Speaker 1: could also follow him on Twitter. Tom E Curran, uh
Speaker 1: see U R R A. And I just did I
Speaker 1: don't know, I fell through the cracks. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a follow. Now I bang a follow now, Tom,
Speaker 1: that's up to you. If you want to fall back
Speaker 1: the old user, that's your call totally. But this is
Speaker 1: the real offseason drama we're tracking. The old user is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansis. Do you want to start FaceTime and on
Speaker 1: the regular? Absolutely? Tom, thanks for joining us and bringing
Speaker 1: some clarity to a unclear situation. All right, well, thankfully
Speaker 1: having me, guys, thank you, thank you. All right, there
Speaker 1: he goes great. You know, sometimes you have a guest
Speaker 1: on for the first time and you get you immediately
Speaker 1: since they you know, get along with our style of
Speaker 1: you know, our game. A little mirth, a little fun,
Speaker 1: some analysis in there. Tom E. Kern, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a legitimately funny guy. Like there's a lot of sports
Speaker 1: writers that think they're that try to be funny. I
Speaker 1: can be guilty of this as well. But but in
Speaker 1: the room, Tom Kern, I'm saying, yeah, if if he's
Speaker 1: if he's at a table of people, he's he's gonna
Speaker 1: be He's gonna be on in it. Um. Okay, good stuff, guys,
Speaker 1: good show. Two more shows this week. We'll have a
Speaker 1: Wednesday program where we are efforting that's a that's a
Speaker 1: corpo term. We're efforting to have someone to talk a
Speaker 1: little combine, uh and get a little breakdown from what
Speaker 1: happened in Indie this past week. And then remember Friday,
Speaker 1: and I think I locked her in on the show,
Speaker 1: but there's no way Colleen remembers that. By now, we
Speaker 1: will have the we will name the Connie Fox theme song.
Speaker 1: If Colleen is in the house and available on the show.
Speaker 1: We will have our top five finalists and then we
Speaker 1: will select it. We have to actually, Ricky Hollywood, we
Speaker 1: have to kind of get on this and figure out
Speaker 1: the whole voting process and which songs formally are the
Speaker 1: five finalists. We gotta do some leg work ahead of
Speaker 1: Friday's show to do this, right. I'm just thinking about this.
Speaker 1: It's been so long since we heard some we might
Speaker 1: have to go to six. I mean we might have
Speaker 1: to just like break a ruler to alright. A couple
Speaker 1: of those early ones were gems. Absolutely, Mark, Absolutely, you
Speaker 1: want to be the last heard. I think we we
Speaker 1: We went out with a bang with that one song
Speaker 1: that everyone's tweeting about, and then those early ones, some
Speaker 1: of them a plug just forgotten. So you gotta we
Speaker 1: won't forget that just correctly. In fact, well, how about
Speaker 1: what I'm out when we really listened to the ones
Speaker 1: that we saw as finalists. Potentially we'll listen to the
Speaker 1: latest ones first. So the last one we hear is
Speaker 1: the first one we heard. It's gonna be hard for
Speaker 1: Greg to maintain the energy he can for that last one.
Speaker 1: Never seen him so happy, And at first I think
Speaker 1: even I was saying that that wouldn't have been a finalist.
Speaker 1: But since it's not, let's listen to it again and again.
Speaker 1: But I think ultimately that's uh, that's telling us something
Speaker 1: about this song that it to be part of that. Oh,
Speaker 1: now I see your game. You want to get that
Speaker 1: in as the sixth finalist. Even though it has a
Speaker 1: little bit of a dig at the face it also
Speaker 1: has it was more a praiseworthy of Colleen. Right, all
Speaker 1: due respect to Gonzo, A part of it was that
Speaker 1: he would be cast aside in an NFL player would
Speaker 1: then marry Connie. I think, yeah, it was a cast
Speaker 1: system scenario where Gonzo was being viewed as not really
Speaker 1: worthy of what Colleen has flowered into its bed. I
Speaker 1: don't agree with it was fun word play that happens,
Speaker 1: but it's all it is a little funny to me
Speaker 1: that remember you you got on your horse and you
Speaker 1: were like, how dare that? One man say so a
Speaker 1: joke of Colleen's expense and his song uh from the
Speaker 1: first round of songs, and then this guy he is
Speaker 1: causing trouble within Colleen's family structure, and you're like, it's cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Colleen's the starry consistency that even Gonzo knows
Speaker 1: that well. I mean, you're you're making declarative statements about
Speaker 1: someone else's family. Again, I did ask Colleen if Gonzo
Speaker 1: is aware of this competition. She said he has no idea,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny the more you think about it,
Speaker 1: because John is in so many of these songs. Better
Speaker 1: for him not to know what's happening, I would I
Speaker 1: would suggest, all right, let's go. Thanks for listening to
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Speaker 1: the Glass, and thank you again to Tom all Right
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