1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:22,115 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Trump 2 00:00:22,275 --> 00:00:27,555 Speaker 1: has a new defense. You're ready. John Eastman did it. 3 00:00:28,275 --> 00:00:32,155 Speaker 1: Quote he had the advisive counsel, a very detailed memorandum 4 00:00:32,195 --> 00:00:37,355 Speaker 1: from a constitutional expert. His newer, newest lawyer, John Lauro 5 00:00:37,715 --> 00:00:41,075 Speaker 1: said on Fox yesterday, quote, you're entitled to believe and 6 00:00:41,155 --> 00:00:45,355 Speaker 1: trust adviceive counsel. The same John Laurrow said on NBC, 7 00:00:45,795 --> 00:00:48,275 Speaker 1: you have one of the leading constitutional scholars in the 8 00:00:48,315 --> 00:00:52,315 Speaker 1: United States. John Eastman say to Trump, this is a protocol, 9 00:00:52,395 --> 00:00:55,915 Speaker 1: you can follow. Its legal The message got out to 10 00:00:56,035 --> 00:01:00,755 Speaker 1: our American Goebbels. Laura Ingram says Trump's been charged quote 11 00:01:01,075 --> 00:01:05,595 Speaker 1: for adopting and pressing an unconventional legal view. Even his 12 00:01:05,875 --> 00:01:08,555 Speaker 1: rivals for the nomination, who seemed to be intent on 13 00:01:08,675 --> 00:01:12,995 Speaker 1: hurting him, are actually helping him. Quote. The president was surrounded, 14 00:01:13,075 --> 00:01:17,315 Speaker 1: Mike Pence said, by a group of crackpot lawyers that 15 00:01:17,475 --> 00:01:21,115 Speaker 1: kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear. 16 00:01:22,195 --> 00:01:26,835 Speaker 1: Crack pot lawyers, itching ears. Those fit in with what 17 00:01:26,875 --> 00:01:29,835 Speaker 1: I observed yesterday, which was that the Jack Smith charges 18 00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:32,475 Speaker 1: and the hints in the document leave Trump with really 19 00:01:32,555 --> 00:01:38,275 Speaker 1: only one defense. Quote. I'm an idiot. Two of the 20 00:01:38,355 --> 00:01:41,875 Speaker 1: four categories of charges on which Donald John Trump will 21 00:01:41,915 --> 00:01:46,235 Speaker 1: be arraigned in Washington at four pm Thursday afternoon are 22 00:01:46,435 --> 00:01:51,395 Speaker 1: obstruction charges. And for obstruction, you've got to have corrupt intent. 23 00:01:52,075 --> 00:01:55,715 Speaker 1: And if you can prove it was not your corrupt intent, 24 00:01:55,795 --> 00:02:00,555 Speaker 1: but somebody else's, somebody like let's just say, for the 25 00:02:00,635 --> 00:02:06,515 Speaker 1: sake of argument at random, Johnny Shman, then you might 26 00:02:06,915 --> 00:02:10,995 Speaker 1: beat the obstruction charges and undermine the other charges as well. 27 00:02:11,355 --> 00:02:15,675 Speaker 1: You eliminate criminal intent or, as that lawyer John Loro 28 00:02:15,915 --> 00:02:19,355 Speaker 1: put it to the blankly nodding anchors on NBC, quote 29 00:02:20,035 --> 00:02:26,035 Speaker 1: that eliminates criminal intent. So first Amendment free speech out. 30 00:02:26,515 --> 00:02:30,395 Speaker 1: The attorney made me do it. In please enjoy the 31 00:02:30,515 --> 00:02:37,595 Speaker 1: new Eastman plan plan on John Eastman taking the fall. Well, 32 00:02:37,635 --> 00:02:41,315 Speaker 1: this is cleared pretty much everybody not named John Eastman. 33 00:02:41,635 --> 00:02:44,555 Speaker 1: It seems to have not yet occurred to John Eastman, 34 00:02:44,635 --> 00:02:47,555 Speaker 1: because his lawyer went on CNN last night and said 35 00:02:47,555 --> 00:02:50,955 Speaker 1: his client would be happy to cooperate with Jack Smith. 36 00:02:51,235 --> 00:02:55,195 Speaker 1: But quote, if by cooperation you mean flipping on Trump 37 00:02:55,315 --> 00:03:00,675 Speaker 1: or providing incriminating information, then absolutely not, simply because those 38 00:03:00,795 --> 00:03:03,435 Speaker 1: aren't the facts of this case. As it pertains to 39 00:03:03,555 --> 00:03:13,115 Speaker 1: doctor Eastman, sucker. There is only one complication for the 40 00:03:13,155 --> 00:03:17,635 Speaker 1: new the Eastman made me do it defense for Trump, 41 00:03:18,395 --> 00:03:21,155 Speaker 1: And god knows, this is day three out of hundreds 42 00:03:21,315 --> 00:03:24,675 Speaker 1: and hundreds of days of this to come. And if 43 00:03:24,715 --> 00:03:27,675 Speaker 1: he's already on defense number two on day three, who 44 00:03:27,715 --> 00:03:32,395 Speaker 1: knows where Trump ends up by trial. The complication, though, 45 00:03:32,475 --> 00:03:34,675 Speaker 1: is that to prove that you broke the law only 46 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:39,075 Speaker 1: because you got really bad legal advice, really really really 47 00:03:39,195 --> 00:03:45,195 Speaker 1: really really bad legal advice, you will have to testify 48 00:03:45,435 --> 00:03:51,075 Speaker 1: yourself under oath, and the prosecutors will not ask you 49 00:03:51,515 --> 00:03:55,795 Speaker 1: Trump only about John Eastman, whereas we can now call 50 00:03:55,875 --> 00:04:05,955 Speaker 1: him unindicted scapegoat number one, the line for on the right, babe, 51 00:04:06,075 --> 00:04:08,755 Speaker 1: the line for media to get into the District of 52 00:04:08,835 --> 00:04:12,635 Speaker 1: Columbia Federal Courthouse where Trump will be indicted again. It 53 00:04:12,795 --> 00:04:17,275 Speaker 1: formed before sunset last night. There is still, I suppose, 54 00:04:17,315 --> 00:04:19,715 Speaker 1: the remote possibility that Trump might think better of the 55 00:04:19,755 --> 00:04:23,515 Speaker 1: spectacle and the schlep and stay home. Other January sixth 56 00:04:23,555 --> 00:04:26,915 Speaker 1: defendants have been allowed to appear remotely for such preliminaries. 57 00:04:27,595 --> 00:04:31,235 Speaker 1: But Trump cannot resist a spectacle. He would march loud 58 00:04:31,275 --> 00:04:35,555 Speaker 1: and proud in full on Norma Desmond slink to his 59 00:04:35,675 --> 00:04:40,155 Speaker 1: own public execution. The complication here is that the Prettyman 60 00:04:40,275 --> 00:04:44,675 Speaker 1: Courthouse in DC has a labyrinthine structure of tunnels and 61 00:04:44,875 --> 00:04:49,275 Speaker 1: interior back roots, and for all I know moats, I mean, 62 00:04:49,315 --> 00:04:52,835 Speaker 1: who can say for sure it doesn't have moats designed 63 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:54,955 Speaker 1: specifically to bring a defendant in and out of a 64 00:04:54,995 --> 00:04:59,795 Speaker 1: courtroom without anybody seeing him except in the courtroom. There 65 00:04:59,835 --> 00:05:03,475 Speaker 1: will again be no video its federal court, no still photography, 66 00:05:03,795 --> 00:05:07,915 Speaker 1: just artists and no offense to them. But there is 67 00:05:07,955 --> 00:05:11,235 Speaker 1: a reason that there is a word sketches and another 68 00:05:11,315 --> 00:05:16,555 Speaker 1: word sketchy. There is no expectation that we will get 69 00:05:16,595 --> 00:05:19,475 Speaker 1: a repeat of Miami, where it turned out not to 70 00:05:19,515 --> 00:05:23,035 Speaker 1: be just a handful of charges but thirty seven counts. 71 00:05:23,675 --> 00:05:26,235 Speaker 1: But the Special Council's Office has already proved to have 72 00:05:26,275 --> 00:05:29,755 Speaker 1: a certain panache going for it, with surprises and a 73 00:05:29,795 --> 00:05:34,275 Speaker 1: notable ability to mesh legalese with pretty solid narrative writing 74 00:05:34,315 --> 00:05:36,515 Speaker 1: in its charging documents, So who knows what they're going 75 00:05:36,555 --> 00:05:39,995 Speaker 1: to do. Thus, after the formal indictment, Trump will be 76 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:43,675 Speaker 1: on the hook for at least forty four federal counts 77 00:05:44,075 --> 00:05:47,835 Speaker 1: at a max of five hundred and five years in 78 00:05:47,955 --> 00:05:58,355 Speaker 1: prison or more correctly, John Eastman, will I try to 79 00:05:58,395 --> 00:06:01,635 Speaker 1: stay away from economics here as much as possible. I 80 00:06:01,715 --> 00:06:03,795 Speaker 1: was told there would be no math, But it turns 81 00:06:03,795 --> 00:06:07,675 Speaker 1: out Donald Trump shot this country's credit rating to hell 82 00:06:08,155 --> 00:06:11,795 Speaker 1: with all of this. You may have heard that Fitch Ratings, 83 00:06:12,275 --> 00:06:15,075 Speaker 1: which is the one that isn't Moody's or Standard and Poor's, 84 00:06:15,515 --> 00:06:19,275 Speaker 1: downgraded the US credit rating Tuesday from triple A to 85 00:06:19,515 --> 00:06:23,235 Speaker 1: double A plus, enraging the White House and throwing out 86 00:06:23,275 --> 00:06:26,835 Speaker 1: a red flag to investors that maybe our government debt 87 00:06:26,875 --> 00:06:29,915 Speaker 1: ain't what it used to be. And in an exclusive, 88 00:06:29,955 --> 00:06:33,355 Speaker 1: the Reuters News Service has gotten Fitch Senior Director Richard 89 00:06:33,355 --> 00:06:37,435 Speaker 1: Francis to say something dumbfounding that I didn't see anywhere 90 00:06:37,435 --> 00:06:42,115 Speaker 1: else that part of the downgrade of our national credit 91 00:06:42,195 --> 00:06:49,075 Speaker 1: rating owes to the January sixth insurrection. Fitch doesn't like 92 00:06:49,155 --> 00:06:52,235 Speaker 1: fights over debt ceilings either, but they're not supposed to 93 00:06:52,355 --> 00:06:55,995 Speaker 1: like fights over debt ceilings. Francis is the one who 94 00:06:56,035 --> 00:06:58,795 Speaker 1: brought up the coup quote. It was something that we 95 00:06:58,915 --> 00:07:02,795 Speaker 1: highlighted because it is just a reflection of the deterioration 96 00:07:02,995 --> 00:07:10,995 Speaker 1: of governance. It's one of many lighten up Francis. Thanks Trump, 97 00:07:12,555 --> 00:07:16,075 Speaker 1: there is only one silver lining in this society's imperceptible 98 00:07:16,115 --> 00:07:20,355 Speaker 1: but steady multi decade march towards. In the unforgettable words 99 00:07:20,395 --> 00:07:23,635 Speaker 1: of the late TV playwright Dennis Potter, everything having a 100 00:07:23,755 --> 00:07:28,675 Speaker 1: price tag on it. If you threaten the money, the 101 00:07:28,795 --> 00:07:33,075 Speaker 1: money will come back and kill you. And hidden in 102 00:07:33,155 --> 00:07:37,515 Speaker 1: that fact may be an unexpected line of action against Trump. 103 00:07:37,955 --> 00:07:42,795 Speaker 1: The money is not happy about the downngraded credit ratings, 104 00:07:42,875 --> 00:07:45,875 Speaker 1: and the money is not happy at the moment with 105 00:07:46,715 --> 00:07:50,555 Speaker 1: Republican parties around the country. I've mentioned before, the Republican 106 00:07:50,555 --> 00:07:53,955 Speaker 1: Party of Michigan is within weeks of actual default and 107 00:07:54,075 --> 00:07:58,955 Speaker 1: perhaps bankruptcy. The bank account of Minnesota's GOP got down 108 00:07:58,955 --> 00:08:03,115 Speaker 1: to fifty three dollars and eighty one cents before big 109 00:08:03,115 --> 00:08:07,075 Speaker 1: donors bailed it out. Politico now reports that Colorado's GOP 110 00:08:07,235 --> 00:08:11,195 Speaker 1: is facing eviction it can't pay the rent. Politico quotes 111 00:08:11,235 --> 00:08:14,035 Speaker 1: the former head of the Michigan GOP, Jeff Timmer, about 112 00:08:14,035 --> 00:08:17,195 Speaker 1: what's really going on. It shouldn't surprise anybody that real 113 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:21,115 Speaker 1: people with real money don't want to invest in these clowns. 114 00:08:21,715 --> 00:08:25,675 Speaker 1: Looking at you, don who have taken over and subsumed 115 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:30,955 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and that's nice. And if you're in 116 00:08:30,995 --> 00:08:33,955 Speaker 1: Michigan and Colorado and Minnesota and you believe in democracy 117 00:08:33,995 --> 00:08:37,275 Speaker 1: and not fascism, that's nice. But what is Trump care 118 00:08:38,075 --> 00:08:43,355 Speaker 1: apart from the collapse of statewide GOP campaign infrastructure. Well, 119 00:08:43,875 --> 00:08:46,795 Speaker 1: it turns out Trump really does have the kind of 120 00:08:46,875 --> 00:08:49,995 Speaker 1: money issues I speculated about earlier in the week, and 121 00:08:50,035 --> 00:08:54,795 Speaker 1: he will later need that statewide GOP campaign infrastructure. That's 122 00:08:54,835 --> 00:08:57,595 Speaker 1: down to fifty three dollars in eighty one cents. The 123 00:08:57,755 --> 00:09:01,875 Speaker 1: actual numbers for Trump's Save America pack are in And 124 00:09:01,915 --> 00:09:05,395 Speaker 1: I am hardly a financial expert, but if it began 125 00:09:05,475 --> 00:09:07,915 Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty two with one hundred and five 126 00:09:08,115 --> 00:09:12,995 Speaker 1: million dollars, but now Trump's Save America pack has four 127 00:09:13,115 --> 00:09:20,515 Speaker 1: million dollars, that's less right Again, it's legal fees and 128 00:09:20,715 --> 00:09:25,075 Speaker 1: donor queasiness and that valuable cliche that nothing gets scareder 129 00:09:25,235 --> 00:09:30,155 Speaker 1: faster than a billion dollars. Those numbers came out in 130 00:09:30,155 --> 00:09:32,915 Speaker 1: this week's FEC filings, and so did something remarkable. And 131 00:09:32,955 --> 00:09:34,995 Speaker 1: we won't know for a while if it's going to continue, 132 00:09:35,355 --> 00:09:38,795 Speaker 1: but Trump's ability to turn his indictments into hard cash 133 00:09:39,435 --> 00:09:42,955 Speaker 1: may be wearing off. After he was arrested in New 134 00:09:43,035 --> 00:09:46,395 Speaker 1: York in the Stormy Daniel's hush money case, contributions to 135 00:09:46,435 --> 00:09:51,195 Speaker 1: the Save America Joint fundraising Committee peaked at just under 136 00:09:51,395 --> 00:09:54,875 Speaker 1: four million in one day and ten million over a 137 00:09:54,915 --> 00:09:58,715 Speaker 1: five day window. But since the new filings here literally 138 00:09:58,755 --> 00:10:01,395 Speaker 1: provide day by day data, we now know that when 139 00:10:01,435 --> 00:10:04,115 Speaker 1: Trump was indicted in Florida by Jack Smith and the 140 00:10:04,155 --> 00:10:07,195 Speaker 1: Documents case, the high water mark for donations was just 141 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:09,955 Speaker 1: one million, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the 142 00:10:09,995 --> 00:10:13,915 Speaker 1: peak five day period was only four and a half million, 143 00:10:15,515 --> 00:10:19,835 Speaker 1: half less than half. If Trump donors are actually tired 144 00:10:20,155 --> 00:10:23,995 Speaker 1: of the Trump Martyrdom Act, these dreams we have of 145 00:10:24,075 --> 00:10:26,755 Speaker 1: him being unable to compete for ad time during the 146 00:10:26,755 --> 00:10:35,075 Speaker 1: election may be far more real than previously imagined. And 147 00:10:35,155 --> 00:10:39,875 Speaker 1: now let's return to America's most popular new game, Trumpele 148 00:10:41,675 --> 00:10:45,795 Speaker 1: and the continuing missing piece of our puzzle, a confirmed 149 00:10:45,835 --> 00:10:51,235 Speaker 1: identification of unidentified co Conspirator number six. I have to 150 00:10:51,315 --> 00:10:54,475 Speaker 1: confess I am more than a little thrown by the 151 00:10:54,555 --> 00:11:00,475 Speaker 1: idea that Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, and Luke Broadwater of 152 00:11:00,515 --> 00:11:05,275 Speaker 1: The New York Times have written an entire piece on 153 00:11:05,435 --> 00:11:08,915 Speaker 1: co Conspirator Number six. I guess I'm just grateful they 154 00:11:08,955 --> 00:11:14,115 Speaker 1: didn't use trumpel. They have a different identification than I do, 155 00:11:15,075 --> 00:11:17,995 Speaker 1: using materials not available to the rest of US players. 156 00:11:18,275 --> 00:11:23,315 Speaker 1: And that's Maggie Haberman in a nutshell they write quote. 157 00:11:23,355 --> 00:11:25,555 Speaker 1: A close look at the indictment and a review of 158 00:11:25,675 --> 00:11:30,275 Speaker 1: messages among people working with mister Trump's team provides a 159 00:11:30,355 --> 00:11:36,395 Speaker 1: strong clue. An email from December twenty twenty from Boris Epstein, 160 00:11:37,075 --> 00:11:40,235 Speaker 1: a strategic advisor to the Trump campaign in twenty twenty, 161 00:11:40,275 --> 00:11:43,875 Speaker 1: to mister Giuliani matches a description in the indictment of 162 00:11:43,915 --> 00:11:48,595 Speaker 1: an interaction between co Conspirator six and mister Giuliani on 163 00:11:48,795 --> 00:11:54,635 Speaker 1: quote and again Giuliani is co conspirator one, resuming the quote. 164 00:11:54,835 --> 00:11:58,155 Speaker 1: The email sent on December seven, twenty twenty, and reviewed 165 00:11:58,195 --> 00:12:02,675 Speaker 1: by The New York Times, in which section was it reviewed, 166 00:12:03,955 --> 00:12:08,195 Speaker 1: I never left so much. The email, sent on December seventh, 167 00:12:08,235 --> 00:12:10,435 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and reviewed by The New York Times, was 168 00:12:10,435 --> 00:12:15,235 Speaker 1: from mister Epstein to mister Giuliani and mister Giuliani's son Andrew, 169 00:12:15,675 --> 00:12:21,035 Speaker 1: and had the subject line attorneys for Electors memo. It says, 170 00:12:21,195 --> 00:12:24,235 Speaker 1: dear Mayer. As discussed below are the attorneys I would 171 00:12:24,275 --> 00:12:28,435 Speaker 1: recommend for the memo on choosing electors, and it goes 172 00:12:28,515 --> 00:12:32,155 Speaker 1: on to identify lawyers in seven states. Paragraph fifty seven 173 00:12:32,195 --> 00:12:35,235 Speaker 1: of the indictment says that co conspirator won mister Giuliani 174 00:12:35,635 --> 00:12:39,275 Speaker 1: spoke with co Conspirator six regarding attorneys who could assist 175 00:12:39,275 --> 00:12:43,835 Speaker 1: in the fraudulent elector effort in the targeted states, and 176 00:12:43,955 --> 00:12:49,355 Speaker 1: received an email from co Conspirator six identifying attorneys in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, 177 00:12:49,355 --> 00:12:52,355 Speaker 1: and New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Those are the seven 178 00:12:52,435 --> 00:12:55,555 Speaker 1: states in the email that mister Epstein sent to mister 179 00:12:55,595 --> 00:13:00,115 Speaker 1: Giuliani and that was reviewed by The Times. Unquote, I 180 00:13:00,235 --> 00:13:03,515 Speaker 1: had a seat on the aisle for this email. It's 181 00:13:03,555 --> 00:13:06,435 Speaker 1: not a bad argument, it's good research. But there's just 182 00:13:06,515 --> 00:13:12,155 Speaker 1: one hitch in the indictment. Co Conspirator one is Juliani, 183 00:13:12,275 --> 00:13:15,475 Speaker 1: and the indictment's first description of him after saying co 184 00:13:15,475 --> 00:13:21,275 Speaker 1: conspirator I comma is quote an attorney. Co Conspirator two 185 00:13:21,315 --> 00:13:23,795 Speaker 1: is Eastman, and the indictment's first description of him is 186 00:13:23,875 --> 00:13:28,275 Speaker 1: quote an attorney. Co Conspirator three is Sidney Powell, and 187 00:13:28,315 --> 00:13:31,515 Speaker 1: the indictment's first description of her is quote an attorney. 188 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:35,235 Speaker 1: Co conspirator. Four is Jeffrey Clark, and the indictment's first 189 00:13:35,235 --> 00:13:39,075 Speaker 1: description of him is a Justice Department official, which implies 190 00:13:39,115 --> 00:13:42,075 Speaker 1: that he's an attorney. Co conspirator five is Kenneth the 191 00:13:42,235 --> 00:13:45,635 Speaker 1: Cheesebro and the indictment's first description of him is quote 192 00:13:45,675 --> 00:13:51,435 Speaker 1: an attorney and co conspirator. Six, Maggie thinks is Boris Epstein. 193 00:13:52,355 --> 00:13:57,715 Speaker 1: The indictment's entire description is quote a political consultant who 194 00:13:57,755 --> 00:14:00,755 Speaker 1: helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential 195 00:14:00,835 --> 00:14:05,755 Speaker 1: electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. Unquote. That's it. That's 196 00:14:05,795 --> 00:14:10,435 Speaker 1: all it says about number six. So what Boris Epstein 197 00:14:10,595 --> 00:14:13,595 Speaker 1: is an attorney? He, in fact is usually described in 198 00:14:13,675 --> 00:14:18,955 Speaker 1: news stories as Boris Epstein a Trump attorney. He's also 199 00:14:19,115 --> 00:14:22,315 Speaker 1: a political consultant, but it's debatable which is his primary 200 00:14:22,355 --> 00:14:26,035 Speaker 1: function if he has one. Giuliani is described in the 201 00:14:26,035 --> 00:14:28,635 Speaker 1: indictment as an attorney. Eastman is described in the indictment 202 00:14:28,635 --> 00:14:31,115 Speaker 1: as an attorney. Same for Powell, same for Cheeseboro. Only 203 00:14:31,155 --> 00:14:34,395 Speaker 1: Clark isn't, but he's described as a Justice Department official. 204 00:14:34,715 --> 00:14:38,155 Speaker 1: So if it's Epstein, why doesn't the description of him 205 00:14:38,195 --> 00:14:41,435 Speaker 1: as unindicted co conspirator six begin the same way co 206 00:14:41,435 --> 00:14:47,275 Speaker 1: Conspirator six an attorney. Seems to me that if it 207 00:14:47,555 --> 00:14:52,235 Speaker 1: doesn't say six is an attorney, that can be reasonably 208 00:14:52,275 --> 00:14:57,915 Speaker 1: interpreted to mean probably six is not an attorney. It's 209 00:14:57,995 --> 00:15:02,355 Speaker 1: not an attorney like Boris Epstein. So I will continue 210 00:15:02,435 --> 00:15:06,635 Speaker 1: to believe it is probably and he Carrick, who traveled 211 00:15:06,635 --> 00:15:10,635 Speaker 1: with Juliani to pressure the state legislators to send in 212 00:15:10,715 --> 00:15:13,555 Speaker 1: the phony electors, and who was described as fetching phone 213 00:15:13,595 --> 00:15:16,555 Speaker 1: numbers for Rudy and Kark's professional life has been so 214 00:15:16,635 --> 00:15:19,715 Speaker 1: dependent on Rudy that the two of them resembled Dracula 215 00:15:19,755 --> 00:15:26,275 Speaker 1: and Renfield. And speaking of Rudy, it was a bad 216 00:15:26,435 --> 00:15:31,595 Speaker 1: day to be unindicted co conspirator number one. Remember the 217 00:15:31,835 --> 00:15:37,075 Speaker 1: rape and sexual abuse lawsuit against Juliani earlier this year 218 00:15:37,555 --> 00:15:42,915 Speaker 1: by his one time assistant or girlfriend or assistant girlfriend, 219 00:15:43,635 --> 00:15:47,235 Speaker 1: a woman named Noel Noel Dunfe. She claimed she had 220 00:15:47,275 --> 00:15:50,835 Speaker 1: audio tapes of him promising job favors in exchange for 221 00:15:50,955 --> 00:15:55,635 Speaker 1: sex and throwing around racial and religious epithets. She also 222 00:15:55,675 --> 00:15:57,715 Speaker 1: claimed he asked her to find people willing to pay 223 00:15:57,755 --> 00:16:01,035 Speaker 1: him two million dollars for presidential pardons, which she said 224 00:16:01,195 --> 00:16:05,635 Speaker 1: she claimed he would split with Trump. Well, he bluff 225 00:16:05,675 --> 00:16:10,635 Speaker 1: in court. Bad move number one. A court appointed reporting 226 00:16:10,715 --> 00:16:14,475 Speaker 1: agency reviewed the tapes and produced transcripts, and they are out, 227 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,835 Speaker 1: and let's just say Rudy does not come off quite 228 00:16:17,835 --> 00:16:21,435 Speaker 1: as well in them as he does in the part 229 00:16:21,515 --> 00:16:24,595 Speaker 1: where he's an unindicted co conspirator in the most searing 230 00:16:24,715 --> 00:16:30,075 Speaker 1: legal case in American history. In the transcripts, Rudy Giuliani 231 00:16:30,275 --> 00:16:35,235 Speaker 1: is heard saying insisting Matt Damon is gay. Michael Bloomberg 232 00:16:35,435 --> 00:16:38,755 Speaker 1: is gay. No, he doesn't say gay. Actually he uses 233 00:16:38,795 --> 00:16:42,515 Speaker 1: an f slur instead. He insists Jewish men have small 234 00:16:42,555 --> 00:16:45,795 Speaker 1: private parts because they don't use them after marriage, and 235 00:16:45,915 --> 00:16:50,355 Speaker 1: quote Jews, they want to go through that freaking passover 236 00:16:50,515 --> 00:16:54,635 Speaker 1: all the time, man oh Man, get over the passover. 237 00:16:55,075 --> 00:17:02,035 Speaker 1: It was like three thousand years ago, unquote. But that's 238 00:17:02,075 --> 00:17:07,875 Speaker 1: the good part. It is repeated claims of quote ownership 239 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:15,835 Speaker 1: of Ms Dunfie. That's the headline. There is one particularly 240 00:17:16,115 --> 00:17:19,315 Speaker 1: lurid quotation, and I would I would read it to 241 00:17:19,355 --> 00:17:22,075 Speaker 1: you for batim, but I think in light of where 242 00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:25,515 Speaker 1: we began today in this edition, I should follow the 243 00:17:25,555 --> 00:17:28,675 Speaker 1: trumpion lead and just blame it all on John Eastman. 244 00:17:29,555 --> 00:17:32,675 Speaker 1: So the key word from Rudy on this section of 245 00:17:32,715 --> 00:17:35,235 Speaker 1: the tape a well known popular word used for a 246 00:17:35,235 --> 00:17:38,395 Speaker 1: part of the female anatomy, which appears seven times in 247 00:17:38,435 --> 00:17:41,075 Speaker 1: probably about twenty seconds. I will not use that word. 248 00:17:41,555 --> 00:17:45,995 Speaker 1: I will instead use the word Eastman. So let me 249 00:17:46,075 --> 00:17:51,955 Speaker 1: quote Giuliani from the Dunfe tape quote, come here, big Eastmans, 250 00:17:52,835 --> 00:17:58,115 Speaker 1: Come here, big Eastmans. Your Eastmans belong to me. Give 251 00:17:58,155 --> 00:18:02,595 Speaker 1: them to me. I want to claim my Eastmans. I 252 00:18:02,755 --> 00:18:07,955 Speaker 1: want to claim my Eastman. I want to claim my Eastmans. 253 00:18:08,475 --> 00:18:24,595 Speaker 1: These are my Eastmans. America's mayor everybody also of interest 254 00:18:24,635 --> 00:18:26,075 Speaker 1: here in how do you follow that? Will you go 255 00:18:26,115 --> 00:18:29,115 Speaker 1: from one boob to another? I wonder if Joe Rogan 256 00:18:29,195 --> 00:18:32,875 Speaker 1: will blame Eastman. Two goes out not only says it's 257 00:18:32,915 --> 00:18:37,515 Speaker 1: a quote fact unquote that intelligence agencies provoked people to 258 00:18:37,595 --> 00:18:41,635 Speaker 1: go into the Capitol on January sixth, also says Ray 259 00:18:41,875 --> 00:18:46,675 Speaker 1: Epps quote clearly instigated. And I guess nobody told old 260 00:18:46,995 --> 00:18:52,195 Speaker 1: Uncle Fester Joe that Ray app says, just sued Fox 261 00:18:52,275 --> 00:18:55,315 Speaker 1: News for millions for the same crap. That's next, This 262 00:18:55,475 --> 00:18:58,275 Speaker 1: is countdown Eastmans. 263 00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:15,435 Speaker 2: This is Countdown with Keith Alberman. This is Sports Center. 264 00:19:15,915 --> 00:19:23,315 Speaker 2: Wait check that not anymore. This is Countdown with Keith 265 00:19:23,435 --> 00:19:27,995 Speaker 2: Alberman in Sports Thirty Seven days ago, Domingo Herman of 266 00:19:28,035 --> 00:19:30,435 Speaker 2: the New York Yankees through what was just the twenty 267 00:19:30,555 --> 00:19:34,035 Speaker 2: fourth perfect game in the one hundred and fifty three 268 00:19:34,155 --> 00:19:38,355 Speaker 2: year history of Major League Baseball. Today, he is at 269 00:19:38,395 --> 00:19:42,555 Speaker 2: an inpatient treatment center for alcohol abuse, placed on the 270 00:19:42,595 --> 00:19:46,515 Speaker 2: team's restricted list, almost certain to not appear again in 271 00:19:46,555 --> 00:19:48,075 Speaker 2: a Yankee uniform this season. 272 00:19:48,315 --> 00:19:52,395 Speaker 1: If ever. Herman's survival is obviously the issue at hand, 273 00:19:52,875 --> 00:19:57,315 Speaker 1: But from a baseball sense and a superstition sense, this 274 00:19:57,515 --> 00:20:01,155 Speaker 1: underscores the bizarre reality that there seems to be something 275 00:20:01,835 --> 00:20:05,475 Speaker 1: of a perfect game curse. Twenty four perfect games, no 276 00:20:05,555 --> 00:20:08,395 Speaker 1: one has ever thrown two, and despite the magnificence of 277 00:20:08,435 --> 00:20:12,675 Speaker 1: the accomplishment, only one third of those pitchers reached the 278 00:20:12,715 --> 00:20:15,955 Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame. The first two perfect games were 279 00:20:15,955 --> 00:20:18,915 Speaker 1: thrown in a five day span in eighteen eighty in. 280 00:20:18,955 --> 00:20:22,235 Speaker 1: Both of those pitchers would suffer arm injuries within one 281 00:20:22,355 --> 00:20:25,715 Speaker 1: year and have to give up pitching. Dallas Braden pitched 282 00:20:25,715 --> 00:20:28,915 Speaker 1: a perfect game in twenty ten. He only won eight 283 00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:31,955 Speaker 1: more games in his career. Philip Umber pitched one in 284 00:20:31,995 --> 00:20:35,515 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, he only won four more, and even the 285 00:20:35,595 --> 00:20:38,875 Speaker 1: great Sandy Kofax could not escape. He pitched a perfect 286 00:20:38,915 --> 00:20:42,315 Speaker 1: game in nineteen sixty five, but made only fifty more 287 00:20:42,395 --> 00:20:45,355 Speaker 1: starts in his career before having to retire young because 288 00:20:45,355 --> 00:20:48,995 Speaker 1: of injuries. And Herman's New York Yankees are still having 289 00:20:49,035 --> 00:20:51,515 Speaker 1: a better week than the crosstown New York Mets. Not 290 00:20:51,635 --> 00:20:54,955 Speaker 1: only did the Mets punt on their season, trading six 291 00:20:55,115 --> 00:20:58,395 Speaker 1: of their twenty six players at the trade deadline in 292 00:20:58,475 --> 00:21:01,795 Speaker 1: exchange for minor leaguers, but now they are in a 293 00:21:01,875 --> 00:21:04,875 Speaker 1: controversy involving one of the stars they dealt away, and 294 00:21:04,955 --> 00:21:07,755 Speaker 1: either he is making stuff up or team owner Steve 295 00:21:07,795 --> 00:21:11,635 Speaker 1: Cohen is Max Schuzer told the website The Athletic that 296 00:21:11,715 --> 00:21:14,235 Speaker 1: before he agreed to waive the no trade clause in 297 00:21:14,275 --> 00:21:17,395 Speaker 1: his contract, he talked to both Cohen and the team's 298 00:21:17,435 --> 00:21:21,795 Speaker 1: general manager Billy Eppler about the franchise's short term direction. Quote. 299 00:21:21,875 --> 00:21:25,195 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, are we reloading for twenty twenty four? 300 00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:28,395 Speaker 1: He goes, no, we're not. Basically our vision now is 301 00:21:28,435 --> 00:21:31,715 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, twenty five at 302 00:21:31,755 --> 00:21:34,715 Speaker 1: the earliest, more like twenty six. We're going to be 303 00:21:34,795 --> 00:21:38,195 Speaker 1: making trades around that. I was like, so the team 304 00:21:38,275 --> 00:21:40,875 Speaker 1: is not going to be pursuing free agents this offseason 305 00:21:41,155 --> 00:21:43,075 Speaker 1: or assemble a team that can compete for a World 306 00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:46,395 Speaker 1: Series next year. He said, no, we're not going to 307 00:21:46,395 --> 00:21:50,235 Speaker 1: be signing the upper echelon guys. Schuzer says the owner. 308 00:21:50,315 --> 00:21:53,635 Speaker 1: Cohen then told him quote exactly the same thing, kind 309 00:21:53,675 --> 00:21:57,475 Speaker 1: of verbatim. The owner, Steve Cohen texted the New York 310 00:21:57,515 --> 00:22:01,395 Speaker 1: Post and to some degree contradicted Scherzer. We will be 311 00:22:01,595 --> 00:22:04,355 Speaker 1: competitive in twenty four, but I think twenty five twenty 312 00:22:04,395 --> 00:22:08,035 Speaker 1: six is when our young talent makes an impact. Lots 313 00:22:08,075 --> 00:22:11,035 Speaker 1: of pitching in free agency in twenty four, more payroll 314 00:22:11,075 --> 00:22:15,275 Speaker 1: flexibility in twenty five. Cohen seemed to be taking the 315 00:22:15,315 --> 00:22:17,835 Speaker 1: Mets out of the hunt for likely free agent shohe 316 00:22:17,955 --> 00:22:21,635 Speaker 1: Otani this winter. But since clubs can hide behind anti 317 00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:24,675 Speaker 1: tampering rules, nobody is going to get anybody on the 318 00:22:24,715 --> 00:22:28,115 Speaker 1: Mets to say that. If the Mets are really going 319 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:32,395 Speaker 1: non competitive for twenty twenty four and maybe twenty twenty five, 320 00:22:32,875 --> 00:22:34,875 Speaker 1: Cohen is going to have an empty ballpark on his 321 00:22:34,915 --> 00:22:38,475 Speaker 1: hand there is a third option, and it is both 322 00:22:38,515 --> 00:22:43,075 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory driven and it presumes a sophistication that the Mets' 323 00:22:43,075 --> 00:22:48,115 Speaker 1: front office has rarely shown. Max Scherzer did not succeed 324 00:22:48,235 --> 00:22:50,995 Speaker 1: in New York. He was powdered in his most important 325 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:53,755 Speaker 1: start of last season, then blown out in his only 326 00:22:53,835 --> 00:22:57,315 Speaker 1: playoff start, and this season he struggled to be competitive, 327 00:22:57,835 --> 00:23:02,835 Speaker 1: and he had a no trade clause. The Mets could 328 00:23:02,835 --> 00:23:05,515 Speaker 1: have told him what he did, he did not want 329 00:23:05,555 --> 00:23:09,995 Speaker 1: to hear in order to get him to go away. 330 00:23:24,035 --> 00:23:28,875 Speaker 1: Still ahead on countdown, It's forty four years now, I'm twenty. 331 00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:31,715 Speaker 1: I'm on my own as the sportscaster and editor at 332 00:23:31,715 --> 00:23:34,795 Speaker 1: a one thousand station national radio network, and a minute 333 00:23:34,835 --> 00:23:38,075 Speaker 1: before my first sportscast, the captain of the New York 334 00:23:38,155 --> 00:23:41,835 Speaker 1: Yankees is killed in a plane crash. Things I promised 335 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:44,435 Speaker 1: not to tell ahead first time for the daily round 336 00:23:44,515 --> 00:23:47,115 Speaker 1: up of the misgrants, morons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens 337 00:23:47,115 --> 00:23:52,235 Speaker 1: who constitute today's worse persons in the world. The Bronze 338 00:23:52,275 --> 00:23:58,315 Speaker 1: Alexis Spiegelmann, Sarasota, Florida County Chapter Chair of Moms for Liberty. 339 00:23:58,635 --> 00:24:00,595 Speaker 1: I believe that's the group that used to be known 340 00:24:00,635 --> 00:24:04,835 Speaker 1: as Moms for Hitler. Anyway, Moms for Liberty has now 341 00:24:04,675 --> 00:24:09,595 Speaker 1: how attacked emotional healthcare. Quote. Mental health care is healthcare. 342 00:24:09,995 --> 00:24:14,435 Speaker 1: Healthcare has no place in public schools, the organization explains, 343 00:24:14,955 --> 00:24:18,075 Speaker 1: while attacking the bipartisan efforts to help kids in this 344 00:24:18,155 --> 00:24:23,515 Speaker 1: way in Florida. Bipartisan in Florida. But Mom's for hit 345 00:24:23,755 --> 00:24:27,075 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Moms for Liberty opposes it because they say 346 00:24:27,155 --> 00:24:30,675 Speaker 1: mental health care is just part of social emotional learning, 347 00:24:30,995 --> 00:24:34,195 Speaker 1: and social emotional learning is just part of critical race theory, 348 00:24:34,315 --> 00:24:37,435 Speaker 1: and of course that is woke. So they're opposing mental 349 00:24:37,475 --> 00:24:41,155 Speaker 1: health care. Well, obviously they are. Look how crazy they 350 00:24:41,195 --> 00:24:43,835 Speaker 1: are used to be This running joke on the TV 351 00:24:43,955 --> 00:24:46,915 Speaker 1: series All in the Family, in which Edith Bunker's cousin 352 00:24:47,035 --> 00:24:50,475 Speaker 1: Maud would look at Edith's husband Archie Bunker and say, 353 00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:55,795 Speaker 1: still fighting mental health? Huh, Archie? And now people are 354 00:24:55,835 --> 00:24:59,955 Speaker 1: actually doing it. The runners up Warner Brothers. Sure, after 355 00:25:00,115 --> 00:25:03,315 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars in opening week ticket sales, 356 00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:08,955 Speaker 1: Barbenheim seemed like a good idea, and replying positively to 357 00:25:08,995 --> 00:25:11,675 Speaker 1: the Twitter mashup of the guy playing Ken, but he's 358 00:25:11,715 --> 00:25:15,635 Speaker 1: got an atomic bomb hairstyle, and you write this Ken 359 00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:20,235 Speaker 1: is a stylist. Seemed like a good idea, and then no, 360 00:25:20,475 --> 00:25:24,515 Speaker 1: Barbenheimer started trending in Japan, and that's when the Warner 361 00:25:24,555 --> 00:25:28,715 Speaker 1: Brothers publicity department remembered that Sunday is the seventy eighth 362 00:25:28,755 --> 00:25:32,755 Speaker 1: anniversary of the atomic bomb being dropped on Hiroshima, and 363 00:25:32,875 --> 00:25:35,795 Speaker 1: Wednesday is the seventy eighth anniversary of the atomic bomb 364 00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:40,635 Speaker 1: being dropped on Nagasaki, And this whole Barbenheimer thing and 365 00:25:40,995 --> 00:25:45,435 Speaker 1: social media images of walls of flames and mashups of 366 00:25:45,435 --> 00:25:50,795 Speaker 1: atomic hairstyles that registers a little differently in Japan. The 367 00:25:50,995 --> 00:25:55,635 Speaker 1: Japanese Twitter account for Barbie railed at the US Twitter 368 00:25:55,675 --> 00:25:59,155 Speaker 1: account for Barbie for the atomic bomb hairstyle tweet, and 369 00:25:59,235 --> 00:26:02,835 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers apologized, And still they have not asked themselves 370 00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:07,275 Speaker 1: this other question, why again are we premiering Oppenheimer in 371 00:26:07,395 --> 00:26:13,315 Speaker 1: Japan two days after the anniversary of Nagasaki. But our winner, 372 00:26:13,435 --> 00:26:18,635 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, Uncle Fester, America's leading poisoner of the minds 373 00:26:18,675 --> 00:26:22,635 Speaker 1: of the especially stupid. Joe Rogan, has now explained that 374 00:26:22,755 --> 00:26:26,715 Speaker 1: quote the January sixth thing is bad, but also the 375 00:26:26,795 --> 00:26:31,475 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies were involved in provoking people into the Capitol building. 376 00:26:31,755 --> 00:26:37,235 Speaker 1: That's a fact. Unquote narrator, it wasn't a fact. And 377 00:26:37,315 --> 00:26:39,595 Speaker 1: also Joe Rogan couldn't tell the difference between a fact 378 00:26:39,635 --> 00:26:43,235 Speaker 1: and his own ass. However, Uncle Fester may have gone 379 00:26:43,275 --> 00:26:46,755 Speaker 1: too far this time. He also decided to invoke ray Epps, 380 00:26:47,515 --> 00:26:51,515 Speaker 1: noting others at the Capitol was arrested. Spit for Rains 381 00:26:51,635 --> 00:26:55,395 Speaker 1: said quote, this guy wasn't all these different things saying. 382 00:26:55,435 --> 00:26:58,515 Speaker 1: Fox News has unjustly accused him of instigating when he 383 00:26:58,635 --> 00:27:02,955 Speaker 1: clearly instigated. He did it on camera. I don't know 384 00:27:02,995 --> 00:27:04,395 Speaker 1: if he was a FED. I know a lot of 385 00:27:04,395 --> 00:27:08,435 Speaker 1: people think he was a fed narrator. He wasn't a fed. 386 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:12,675 Speaker 1: But you know what Ray Epps is, Joe, He's extremely litigious. 387 00:27:13,235 --> 00:27:16,635 Speaker 1: His lawyer has already dropped a few hints. He's already 388 00:27:16,715 --> 00:27:20,675 Speaker 1: sued Fox for millions, and he's willing to sue Joe Rogan. 389 00:27:21,555 --> 00:27:24,155 Speaker 1: You guys need any help on this. Please sue him, 390 00:27:24,355 --> 00:27:28,675 Speaker 1: Please please, please please me, Please sue him. Joe. I'm 391 00:27:28,715 --> 00:27:35,915 Speaker 1: afraid of vaccine needles. Rogan Today's worst parson and the 392 00:27:36,115 --> 00:27:54,995 Speaker 1: Uncle Fester world. Just ahead. The anniversary was yesterday and 393 00:27:54,995 --> 00:27:57,155 Speaker 1: my annual commemoration of it had to wait because of 394 00:27:57,195 --> 00:28:00,275 Speaker 1: the press of events. So I'll do it now because today, 395 00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:05,635 Speaker 1: even forty four years ago, was the day after when 396 00:28:05,635 --> 00:28:07,875 Speaker 1: we sat there, fifty one thousand of us still in 397 00:28:08,035 --> 00:28:11,395 Speaker 1: stunned silence, as the New York Yankees tried to process 398 00:28:11,475 --> 00:28:14,755 Speaker 1: the death of Thurman Munson, their captain, and the day before, 399 00:28:14,835 --> 00:28:18,155 Speaker 1: as a twenty year old rookie Network sportscaster, I had 400 00:28:18,195 --> 00:28:21,275 Speaker 1: had to cover it next first time to feature another 401 00:28:21,315 --> 00:28:23,195 Speaker 1: dog in need. You can help. Every dog has its 402 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:26,395 Speaker 1: day and for once, not a mention of the word 403 00:28:26,595 --> 00:28:30,195 Speaker 1: death or asking for your money, just a dog in 404 00:28:30,235 --> 00:28:33,835 Speaker 1: need of a family. THEO is eighteen pounds. He's a 405 00:28:33,915 --> 00:28:38,275 Speaker 1: Sheitsu Maltese mix, maybe looks like a giant Maltese with 406 00:28:38,315 --> 00:28:41,115 Speaker 1: some brown and his white coat. He's five and he's 407 00:28:41,115 --> 00:28:42,955 Speaker 1: had a rough couple of years, but he's healthy now 408 00:28:42,995 --> 00:28:46,195 Speaker 1: and happy and looking for his forever family. He's being 409 00:28:46,235 --> 00:28:48,755 Speaker 1: fostered in Queens in New York, so an East Coast 410 00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:51,755 Speaker 1: adoption would be great and he's probably okay with another 411 00:28:51,795 --> 00:28:54,195 Speaker 1: dog in the family. You have to apply for him 412 00:28:54,195 --> 00:28:58,035 Speaker 1: with American Maltese Association Rescue and you will be vetted thoroughly, 413 00:28:58,515 --> 00:29:00,755 Speaker 1: but THEO is worth it. I'll post the link and 414 00:29:00,835 --> 00:29:04,475 Speaker 1: his photo on my Twitter feeds. THEO thanks you, and 415 00:29:04,715 --> 00:29:16,275 Speaker 1: I thank you. A certain part of me is always 416 00:29:16,315 --> 00:29:20,275 Speaker 1: living back there on August second, nineteen seventy nine, and 417 00:29:20,395 --> 00:29:23,115 Speaker 1: the rest of that day is seared into my memory 418 00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:26,835 Speaker 1: like my name and address. One month earlier to the day, 419 00:29:26,915 --> 00:29:29,115 Speaker 1: July second, nineteen seventy nine, I had been in the 420 00:29:29,195 --> 00:29:32,475 Speaker 1: stands in my family seats back of first base at 421 00:29:32,555 --> 00:29:35,955 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium in New York, a twenty year old Yankees fan, 422 00:29:36,435 --> 00:29:39,915 Speaker 1: applauding Thurman Munson's RBI double and Lou Penela's two for 423 00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:43,315 Speaker 1: four day and Roy White's appearance since Roy White was 424 00:29:43,315 --> 00:29:48,395 Speaker 1: my mother's favorite Yankee player, but months in particularly, he 425 00:29:48,475 --> 00:29:50,715 Speaker 1: had been playing for the Yankees since I was nine. 426 00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:56,275 Speaker 1: I was now twenty, thus more than half my life now. 427 00:29:56,395 --> 00:29:58,955 Speaker 1: On August second, nineteen seventy nine, I was finishing the 428 00:29:58,955 --> 00:30:02,515 Speaker 1: first month of my professional broadcasting career. It was my 429 00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:07,795 Speaker 1: seventh or eighth solo ship lift Anywhere for money. I 430 00:30:07,915 --> 00:30:11,795 Speaker 1: was the nighttime sportscaster of United Press Internationals Radio Network, 431 00:30:12,195 --> 00:30:16,555 Speaker 1: one thousand stations worldwide known as UPI Audio. For my 432 00:30:16,675 --> 00:30:19,715 Speaker 1: first sportscast of the night due to go at five 433 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:22,955 Speaker 1: forty five pm. I had long since finished my script. 434 00:30:22,995 --> 00:30:25,835 Speaker 1: Tom Watson was leading round one of the PGA golf 435 00:30:25,875 --> 00:30:29,235 Speaker 1: in Michigan. The lawyer who owned Washington of the NFL, 436 00:30:29,355 --> 00:30:32,475 Speaker 1: Edward Bennett Williams. He had just bought the Baltimore Orioles. 437 00:30:32,755 --> 00:30:35,955 Speaker 1: There was an exposed Cubs matinee a baseball game in 438 00:30:36,035 --> 00:30:40,955 Speaker 1: Montreal that prevailed through three rain delays. It was just 439 00:30:41,035 --> 00:30:43,635 Speaker 1: about five forty three pm Eastern Time, and I was 440 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:46,955 Speaker 1: making the short walk from the little sports cubby hole 441 00:30:47,395 --> 00:30:50,835 Speaker 1: to the little main on air studio in UPI World 442 00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:53,955 Speaker 1: headquarters in the Daily News Building, or if you saw 443 00:30:53,995 --> 00:30:57,555 Speaker 1: the movie the Superman Building on forty second Street in Manhattan. 444 00:30:58,155 --> 00:31:01,275 Speaker 1: I was just walking past the bank of thermal printers, 445 00:31:01,635 --> 00:31:07,795 Speaker 1: each making their sluggish, muted honking sound as they slowly 446 00:31:07,915 --> 00:31:12,635 Speaker 1: printed stories out onto what wasn't really paper. There was 447 00:31:12,675 --> 00:31:16,075 Speaker 1: the main UPI wire, the UPI Sportswire, the UPI Business Wire, 448 00:31:16,115 --> 00:31:20,395 Speaker 1: the UPI International Wire, the UPI Radio Wire, several internal 449 00:31:20,475 --> 00:31:23,835 Speaker 1: message wires via which the UPI bureaus around the world 450 00:31:23,835 --> 00:31:26,755 Speaker 1: could communicate with headquarters in New York or as it 451 00:31:26,835 --> 00:31:31,075 Speaker 1: was abbreviated NX. Those message wires were the nineteen seventy 452 00:31:31,155 --> 00:31:34,875 Speaker 1: nine equivalent of texting. As I got within a foot 453 00:31:34,915 --> 00:31:37,875 Speaker 1: of these machines, one of them made a noise I 454 00:31:37,955 --> 00:31:42,715 Speaker 1: had never heard before, a series of ten really loud bells. 455 00:31:43,315 --> 00:31:45,155 Speaker 1: As I moved over to see what the hell they 456 00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:48,075 Speaker 1: could mean, the news editor, Frank Rayfield, came over to 457 00:31:48,195 --> 00:31:54,195 Speaker 1: check as well. We saw the words simultaneously. We gasped simultaneously, 458 00:31:55,395 --> 00:31:59,435 Speaker 1: Cleveland Bureau to NX Thurman Munson Catcher, Captain New York 459 00:31:59,515 --> 00:32:07,675 Speaker 1: Yankees dead, piloting private plane, Canton Akron Airport. Still it 460 00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:11,235 Speaker 1: stuns me to read those words aloud. As soon as 461 00:32:11,235 --> 00:32:14,195 Speaker 1: they finished printing, Cleveland sent it again. The bells went 462 00:32:14,275 --> 00:32:16,595 Speaker 1: off again. I could see. I now had about a 463 00:32:16,675 --> 00:32:19,355 Speaker 1: minute until I went on the air. The editor pointed 464 00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:21,675 Speaker 1: this out to me, you'll have to add lib the 465 00:32:21,715 --> 00:32:23,675 Speaker 1: sports cast, then come out here and do a voicer. 466 00:32:23,755 --> 00:32:25,515 Speaker 1: Just talk about his career. Keep repeating that it's a 467 00:32:25,555 --> 00:32:27,755 Speaker 1: bulletin that he's dead, and that he was piloting a 468 00:32:27,755 --> 00:32:31,275 Speaker 1: private plane. You know anything about him and planes? And 469 00:32:31,315 --> 00:32:34,875 Speaker 1: I remember saying, oh God, I do, and he said, well, 470 00:32:34,955 --> 00:32:37,835 Speaker 1: use whatever you think fits. If more details come in, 471 00:32:37,875 --> 00:32:39,835 Speaker 1: I'll bring them into you. I'll try to get somebody 472 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:44,075 Speaker 1: at the airport for some sound. I don't remember anything 473 00:32:44,115 --> 00:32:46,595 Speaker 1: of what I said on the air that night, nor 474 00:32:46,635 --> 00:32:49,635 Speaker 1: in the special report the voicer the editor had had 475 00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:52,155 Speaker 1: me record. As soon as I finished that live sportscast, 476 00:32:52,715 --> 00:32:56,395 Speaker 1: it was all recorded. I never wanted to hear any 477 00:32:56,435 --> 00:32:59,435 Speaker 1: of it. I never wanted to keep any of it. 478 00:32:59,915 --> 00:33:02,515 Speaker 1: I have basically the rest of my career on tape. 479 00:33:02,995 --> 00:33:07,275 Speaker 1: But I knew my youth was over right then. Thurman 480 00:33:07,355 --> 00:33:10,395 Speaker 1: Munson had joined the Yankees when I was nine years old, 481 00:33:10,475 --> 00:33:14,235 Speaker 1: literally more than half my life ago. He was the 482 00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:18,075 Speaker 1: first good rookie I ever saw added to my team. 483 00:33:18,475 --> 00:33:21,635 Speaker 1: My family was convinced he looked like my mother's cousin Billy. 484 00:33:22,275 --> 00:33:24,915 Speaker 1: I met him a couple of times, had photographed him once, 485 00:33:25,075 --> 00:33:28,475 Speaker 1: interviewed him once. He was gruff and forbidding, but I 486 00:33:28,675 --> 00:33:31,675 Speaker 1: had never had a problem with him. What I knew 487 00:33:31,715 --> 00:33:34,915 Speaker 1: about him and his plane I spoke of as generically 488 00:33:35,035 --> 00:33:38,595 Speaker 1: as possible in my mind. I flashed back to lunch 489 00:33:38,715 --> 00:33:41,275 Speaker 1: in the press room at Yankee Stadium four months earlier, 490 00:33:41,275 --> 00:33:44,435 Speaker 1: when I was still in college with my friend Rick Sarone, 491 00:33:44,915 --> 00:33:49,675 Speaker 1: the editor, not the catcher Munson, Rick said, almost surreptitiously 492 00:33:49,755 --> 00:33:53,595 Speaker 1: leaning in toward me over the little table. Munson is 493 00:33:53,675 --> 00:33:58,235 Speaker 1: flying his own plane back home to Ohio on like 494 00:33:58,475 --> 00:34:03,915 Speaker 1: every day off. The Yankees are terrified he's not as 495 00:34:03,955 --> 00:34:07,435 Speaker 1: good a pilot as he thinks he is, honest to God. 496 00:34:07,955 --> 00:34:11,035 Speaker 1: One of the executives is trying to get George, that 497 00:34:11,035 --> 00:34:14,915 Speaker 1: would be George Steinbrenner, the owner, to trade him to Cleveland, 498 00:34:15,275 --> 00:34:18,435 Speaker 1: just so he'll get out of the damn plane. They're 499 00:34:18,475 --> 00:34:24,675 Speaker 1: all terrified he might wind up killing himself. I don't 500 00:34:24,715 --> 00:34:27,475 Speaker 1: know how many special reports I did forty three years 501 00:34:27,555 --> 00:34:31,795 Speaker 1: ago today, in addition to a new sports cast every hour. Later, 502 00:34:31,835 --> 00:34:33,715 Speaker 1: a friend of mine from college who didn't even know 503 00:34:33,795 --> 00:34:36,195 Speaker 1: I'd gotten the job as a sportscaster. I was so 504 00:34:36,555 --> 00:34:40,835 Speaker 1: new there, told me he was driving in Buffalo listening 505 00:34:40,835 --> 00:34:42,995 Speaker 1: to the all news station on the radio. He heard 506 00:34:42,995 --> 00:34:45,235 Speaker 1: them say Munson had been killed, and with more here's 507 00:34:45,275 --> 00:34:47,635 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman in New York. And he said he almost 508 00:34:47,755 --> 00:34:52,035 Speaker 1: drove off the road because of the double shock. And 509 00:34:52,155 --> 00:34:55,275 Speaker 1: I do know my boss, Sam Rosen, who did the 510 00:34:55,315 --> 00:34:57,755 Speaker 1: morning shift and would have only gotten home from it 511 00:34:57,835 --> 00:35:00,635 Speaker 1: around one or two pm. He came back into the 512 00:35:00,675 --> 00:35:04,195 Speaker 1: office to supervise things and to put together a long 513 00:35:04,355 --> 00:35:08,395 Speaker 1: memor special to feed that the thousand stations that used 514 00:35:08,395 --> 00:35:11,795 Speaker 1: our stuff would all use I was so glad to 515 00:35:11,795 --> 00:35:14,555 Speaker 1: see Sam that day. And then he handed me a 516 00:35:14,555 --> 00:35:19,635 Speaker 1: piece of paper. Those are the home phone numbers for 517 00:35:19,835 --> 00:35:24,675 Speaker 1: Loop and Ella and Roy White. Call them. Try to 518 00:35:24,715 --> 00:35:32,395 Speaker 1: do interviews. Be gentle record first, ask later, like Munson. 519 00:35:32,635 --> 00:35:35,675 Speaker 1: They had played in that game a month before. Really 520 00:35:35,755 --> 00:35:38,555 Speaker 1: was my last as a fan. Roy White had been 521 00:35:38,555 --> 00:35:43,195 Speaker 1: with the Yankees since I was six years old. Loup 522 00:35:43,195 --> 00:35:45,555 Speaker 1: Panella answered his phone, and somehow I asked him if 523 00:35:45,555 --> 00:35:47,555 Speaker 1: he would talk to me for two minutes, and he did, 524 00:35:48,195 --> 00:35:52,915 Speaker 1: and almost immediately he burst into tears. There was such raw, 525 00:35:53,115 --> 00:35:57,035 Speaker 1: immediate brutal pain in his voice. I did the only 526 00:35:57,075 --> 00:35:59,675 Speaker 1: thing I could think of. I said, listen, you should 527 00:35:59,715 --> 00:36:02,075 Speaker 1: not have to do this all night. I will make 528 00:36:02,115 --> 00:36:04,675 Speaker 1: copies of this interview and give it to the other 529 00:36:04,875 --> 00:36:08,395 Speaker 1: radio networks so they will leave you alone. And only 530 00:36:08,435 --> 00:36:10,875 Speaker 1: then did I think to ask my boss, Sam, who 531 00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:12,875 Speaker 1: by the way, still does the New York Rangers games 532 00:36:12,915 --> 00:36:17,235 Speaker 1: on TV, if that was okay, And mercifully Sam said 533 00:36:17,235 --> 00:36:20,435 Speaker 1: it was a great idea. When I called Roy White, 534 00:36:20,435 --> 00:36:22,835 Speaker 1: and Roy White was literally on the Yankees the day 535 00:36:22,915 --> 00:36:26,515 Speaker 1: I became a Yankee fan. He begged me to tell 536 00:36:26,635 --> 00:36:29,995 Speaker 1: him that they had discovered some kind of a mistake, 537 00:36:30,875 --> 00:36:35,275 Speaker 1: that Thurman Munson was not dead. Both he and Panela 538 00:36:35,395 --> 00:36:40,075 Speaker 1: were blunt, but gentle and courteous. And I did make 539 00:36:40,155 --> 00:36:42,875 Speaker 1: copies of the interviews, and I can see myself handing 540 00:36:42,955 --> 00:36:46,275 Speaker 1: a cassette to a guy from NBC Radio named Mike Leventhal, 541 00:36:46,555 --> 00:36:49,395 Speaker 1: who ran a kind of cartel, almost a black market 542 00:36:49,635 --> 00:36:53,795 Speaker 1: among New York radio sports reporters. Those interviews, the parts 543 00:36:53,835 --> 00:36:57,275 Speaker 1: with Panela and White, not me, were all over radio 544 00:36:57,475 --> 00:37:00,995 Speaker 1: that day. I also remember discovering, after three or four 545 00:37:00,995 --> 00:37:04,235 Speaker 1: hours of literally working non stop, that I had never 546 00:37:04,315 --> 00:37:07,435 Speaker 1: really known what that meant before. I remember I was 547 00:37:07,435 --> 00:37:09,435 Speaker 1: supposed to be done at eleven PM, that was the 548 00:37:09,515 --> 00:37:11,715 Speaker 1: end of the shift, but I stayed until one am, 549 00:37:11,755 --> 00:37:14,795 Speaker 1: and I just rarely made the train the last one 550 00:37:14,835 --> 00:37:17,635 Speaker 1: of the night back to my house. I remember my 551 00:37:17,715 --> 00:37:20,515 Speaker 1: boss Sam Rosen talking to our stringer in San Francisco, 552 00:37:20,555 --> 00:37:24,035 Speaker 1: fella named Rob Navius, and he said, they're killing my team. 553 00:37:24,555 --> 00:37:28,675 Speaker 1: I should go to Mexico and smoke myself blind the 554 00:37:28,675 --> 00:37:31,755 Speaker 1: things you remember at a time of stress and tragedy. 555 00:37:32,555 --> 00:37:35,755 Speaker 1: In my youthful misunderstanding of how these things worked, I 556 00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,315 Speaker 1: found myself coming back to the thought that I had 557 00:37:38,355 --> 00:37:41,355 Speaker 1: somehow failed Thurmon Monson by not telling somebody about that 558 00:37:41,475 --> 00:37:44,515 Speaker 1: Yankee fear from April that he was not as good 559 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:48,115 Speaker 1: a pilot as he thought he was. Although even then 560 00:37:48,395 --> 00:37:53,235 Speaker 1: I asked myself, who were you going to tell? There 561 00:37:53,275 --> 00:37:55,755 Speaker 1: are two postscripts to my story of the twenty year 562 00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:59,115 Speaker 1: old me covering the night Thurman months and died. Twenty 563 00:37:59,235 --> 00:38:01,475 Speaker 1: years later, I was hosting Baseball's Game of the Week 564 00:38:01,475 --> 00:38:03,435 Speaker 1: on Fox, and I asked by producer what we were 565 00:38:03,475 --> 00:38:08,835 Speaker 1: doing for the months in anti versary. He asked what anniversary. 566 00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:11,795 Speaker 1: He was younger than I was. I had to explain 567 00:38:11,875 --> 00:38:14,835 Speaker 1: it to him. Even then, you want to write something 568 00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,995 Speaker 1: we can pre produce, It's like a minute and a half. 569 00:38:18,155 --> 00:38:21,875 Speaker 1: Minute and a half. I did it, didn't think much 570 00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:23,795 Speaker 1: of it. A couple of years later, I was one 571 00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:25,955 Speaker 1: of the public address announcers at Old Timer's Day at 572 00:38:26,035 --> 00:38:30,755 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, invited by the PR director Rick Sarone Sam 573 00:38:30,835 --> 00:38:33,715 Speaker 1: Rick Saron who in April nineteen seventy nine told me 574 00:38:33,755 --> 00:38:36,315 Speaker 1: about Munson and the private planes and the Yankees spheres. 575 00:38:37,155 --> 00:38:41,115 Speaker 1: It is a small world. The twenty fifth anniversary of 576 00:38:41,155 --> 00:38:44,555 Speaker 1: Thurman Munson's death was just days away. His widow Diane 577 00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:46,875 Speaker 1: was there. We had never met. Then she saw me 578 00:38:46,915 --> 00:38:48,795 Speaker 1: on the field and raced up to me and hugged me. 579 00:38:49,355 --> 00:38:51,795 Speaker 1: That piece you did on him on the Game of 580 00:38:51,795 --> 00:38:54,795 Speaker 1: the week, when was it five years ago? That was 581 00:38:54,835 --> 00:38:59,315 Speaker 1: the best memorial I've ever seen to Thurman. We both 582 00:38:59,395 --> 00:39:03,555 Speaker 1: cheered up. I couldn't believe she said that I told 583 00:39:03,595 --> 00:39:06,155 Speaker 1: her about that night in nineteen seventy nine what had 584 00:39:06,155 --> 00:39:08,475 Speaker 1: had been like for me? I said, I knew it 585 00:39:08,515 --> 00:39:10,995 Speaker 1: was almost insulting to tell her, but I thought it 586 00:39:11,035 --> 00:39:14,875 Speaker 1: was important somehow to share. She hugged me again. It 587 00:39:14,955 --> 00:39:19,875 Speaker 1: was deeply moving and it is still The other PostScript 588 00:39:19,915 --> 00:39:23,875 Speaker 1: I only learned of last year. For forever and the 589 00:39:23,915 --> 00:39:26,875 Speaker 1: coincidence here with my friend and former boss Sam Rosen 590 00:39:26,915 --> 00:39:28,435 Speaker 1: being the Hall of fam announcer of the New York 591 00:39:28,475 --> 00:39:32,395 Speaker 1: Rangers hockey team is extraordinary. But for forever, the reporter 592 00:39:32,555 --> 00:39:34,875 Speaker 1: covering that hockey team, the Rangers, for the newspaper of 593 00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:38,195 Speaker 1: the New York Post, has been Larry Brooks. I had 594 00:39:38,275 --> 00:39:41,675 Speaker 1: forgotten until last year that the year that Thurman Munson 595 00:39:41,715 --> 00:39:44,275 Speaker 1: was killed, Larry was a very very young beat reporter 596 00:39:44,675 --> 00:39:49,035 Speaker 1: covering not Rangers hockey, but Yankees baseball. And somebody sent 597 00:39:49,115 --> 00:39:52,755 Speaker 1: me a clipping from the New York Post from Saturday, 598 00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:56,835 Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy nine, five days before Munson's 599 00:39:57,035 --> 00:40:03,435 Speaker 1: fatal plane crash. It is almost beyond belief. Larry Brooks's 600 00:40:03,475 --> 00:40:10,155 Speaker 1: story began, quote, reports of Thurman Munson's death are exaggerated, 601 00:40:10,635 --> 00:40:15,715 Speaker 1: at least slightly unquote. Of course he was using a metaphor. 602 00:40:16,035 --> 00:40:19,155 Speaker 1: Munson's knees had been giving him trouble, and the manager 603 00:40:19,195 --> 00:40:21,195 Speaker 1: of the Yankees, Billy Martin, was giving him more time 604 00:40:21,195 --> 00:40:24,835 Speaker 1: off between catching assignments than usual. But Larry's story also 605 00:40:24,995 --> 00:40:29,955 Speaker 1: included an even more jaw dropping quote. Asked about the 606 00:40:30,035 --> 00:40:33,235 Speaker 1: rumors he might not catch again this year, Munson said, 607 00:40:33,835 --> 00:40:37,595 Speaker 1: I don't know who started them. It was Martin. Asked 608 00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:42,075 Speaker 1: after the game how his knees felt, he said, quote sore, 609 00:40:43,115 --> 00:41:02,275 Speaker 1: real sore. Hey, you might be seeing my last hurrah. 610 00:41:02,355 --> 00:41:04,115 Speaker 1: I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank 611 00:41:04,155 --> 00:41:06,275 Speaker 1: you for listening. Here the credits. Most of the music 612 00:41:06,355 --> 00:41:09,035 Speaker 1: was arranged, produced and performed by Brian Ray and John 613 00:41:09,035 --> 00:41:13,275 Speaker 1: Phillips Chanel. They are the Countdown musical directors. All orchestration 614 00:41:13,355 --> 00:41:16,635 Speaker 1: and keyboards by John Phillip Schanel, guitars, bass and drums 615 00:41:16,675 --> 00:41:20,435 Speaker 1: by Brian Ray, produced by Tko Brothers. Another Beethoven selections 616 00:41:20,475 --> 00:41:23,875 Speaker 1: have been arranged and performed by No Horns Allowed. Sports 617 00:41:23,955 --> 00:41:27,115 Speaker 1: music is the Olberman theme from ESPN two, which was 618 00:41:27,155 --> 00:41:29,715 Speaker 1: written by Mitch Warren Davis and which appears courtesy of 619 00:41:29,715 --> 00:41:33,275 Speaker 1: the ESPN Inc musical comments by Nancy Faust. The best 620 00:41:33,275 --> 00:41:36,155 Speaker 1: baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer today was my friend 621 00:41:36,195 --> 00:41:39,275 Speaker 1: Richard Lewis, and everything else was pretty much my fault. 622 00:41:39,915 --> 00:41:42,075 Speaker 1: So that's countdown for this, the nine hundred and thirty 623 00:41:42,155 --> 00:41:45,395 Speaker 1: ninth day since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the 624 00:41:45,435 --> 00:41:48,715 Speaker 1: democratically elected government of the United States. Arrest him again 625 00:41:48,755 --> 00:41:53,715 Speaker 1: while oh right. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow. Bulletins 626 00:41:53,755 --> 00:42:00,635 Speaker 1: has the news warrants because he could plead guilty till then. 627 00:42:00,715 --> 00:42:04,355 Speaker 1: I'm Keith Olberman. Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and 628 00:42:04,395 --> 00:42:18,475 Speaker 1: good luck. 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