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Speaker 1: What's going on everyone, and welcome to playmakers. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Haley Elwood. And it may be the offseason, but we're

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Speaker 1: now in the month of March, which is Women's History Month.

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Speaker 1: So to commemorate, we're having some very special guests on

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Speaker 1: the pod all month long, starting with Jane Skinner Goodell.

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Speaker 1: Jane is a former news anchor but is also the

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Speaker 1: wife to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. She's done a lot

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Speaker 1: for highlighting women's roles in the league, and just last

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Speaker 1: year was the executive producer of the documentary A Lifetime

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Speaker 1: of Sundays, which focuses on the four female owners in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Jane was most recently at the NFL Scouting Combine,

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Speaker 1: participating in the fourth annual Women's Careers in Football Forum.

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Speaker 1: With women's viewership of NFL games up from twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, Jane is the perfect person to dissect

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Speaker 1: why more women are tuning in, since her finger is

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Speaker 1: on the pulse of all things NFL. So now let's

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Speaker 1: welcome in Jane Skinner Goodell. All right, let's say hello

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Speaker 1: to Jane Skinner Goodell. Jane, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me. How are you today? Great, Haley, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. Just so your listeners. No,

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Speaker 1: I was just saying off air to Haley that she

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Speaker 1: kind of has my dream job. I'm a little jealous,

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Speaker 1: but I'm so happy. I'm so honored to hear that

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Speaker 1: I can all retire. Now you can take over. Okay, good? Great?

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Speaker 1: Good together, have perfect that's great. Let's tag team this

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Speaker 1: every week. That sounds awesome, So, Jane. It's Women's History Month,

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Speaker 1: and at the beginning of March, the NFL announced that

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Speaker 1: women make up forty seven percent of the league's fan base. So, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: how special is it knowing that NFL female fandom reached

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Speaker 1: an all time high in twenty nineteen. Well, it's funny

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Speaker 1: when I saw those numbers. I mean, you were probably

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Speaker 1: not surprised either, And you spend your life around tailgates

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, I'm so happy that the numbers

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Speaker 1: finally show what the trends I feel like has been

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Speaker 1: for so long. I grew up going to Olderfield in

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Speaker 1: my dad. We had season tickets starting in nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 1: over the year. It's just how the base of fans

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Speaker 1: starting to recognize now is that, you know, there's that

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Speaker 1: old stereotypes kind of of oh, she goes along because

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Speaker 1: something like that. I think that's really significantly change even

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Speaker 1: are I think people are understanding they are really really intense,

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Speaker 1: true passionate fans who understand the game and are going

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Speaker 1: on their own, oftentimes with their girlfriends or daughters. Roger

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Speaker 1: and I have twin girls, and oh, I'm a Bears fan.

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Speaker 1: Growing up at Bears Sunday. We somehow have a Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: There were little girls, There were dads and girls, moms

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Speaker 1: and he's like seeing us all the time. This does

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Speaker 1: not surprise me that this You know that our section

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Speaker 1: and they have you know, marketed some of the game

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Speaker 1: your listeners most people probably saw that. Microsoft ad that

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Speaker 1: she did, and it kind of just stopped me in

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Speaker 1: That is so special. And just lastly, Jane, to kind

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Speaker 1: because she says, to take a team, to have a

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Speaker 1: Viking fan. Like it's very sweet, like just to see

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Speaker 1: So it's it's really unusual, I think, in American life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today, Jane, I

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Speaker 1: so appreciate it. This has been such an awesome conversation.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's so fun to be here. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for all that you're doing. And I hope I

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Speaker 1: get to see you soon. And that's a wrap on

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Speaker 1: this episode of Playmakers. So many thanks to James Skinner

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Speaker 1: Goodell for joining me and as I set up top,

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Speaker 1: keep a Tuna Playmakers all month long for more special

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Speaker 1: guests highlighting women in sports, as well as our full

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Speaker 1: network of podcasts, since free agency and the draft are

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