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Speaker 1: It's the son of a bunch of podcasts. As always,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Claude Harmon. Got a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: at home, and when I'm at home, I always like

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Speaker 1: to get Ryan Chrysler on the pod. I think Ryan's

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Speaker 1: doing some really good stuff and we're always trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out Ryan ways to help players play the game better.

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Speaker 1: One of the topics that I've been wanting to talk

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Speaker 1: for this week recovery shots. I think every golfer spends

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Speaker 1: hours working on their full swing. No one ever practices

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Speaker 1: recovery shots, but we do. I think that's a big

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Speaker 1: difference between handicap ranges and recovery shots are ways that

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Speaker 1: players and practicing recovery shots is a way that as

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Speaker 1: a player you can shave shots correct.

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Speaker 2: Right. We got a really cool practice tea, and both

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Speaker 2: sides of our tea we can kind of go into

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Speaker 2: the woods a little bit and practice those kind of

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Speaker 2: shots that we're just trying to bend around tree or

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Speaker 1: I think most golfers are see think of a recovery shot,

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Speaker 1: and they think of it in I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: I think golfers are really influenced by television. So when

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Speaker 1: you think about recovery shots, I think we all look

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Speaker 1: to great recovery shots that we've seen players hit. Sevy,

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Speaker 1: you know, hitting one out of the car park Phil.

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Speaker 1: You know, it looks like he's got to hit this

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Speaker 1: hitting an unbelievable That's actually not what a recovery shot.

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Speaker 1: What do you do you think a recovery shot is.

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Speaker 2: I think your standard operating recovery shot is any shot

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Speaker 2: that you can get back into your game plan. So

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Speaker 2: if you're in the woods at two twenty five off

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Speaker 2: out to the fairway where you're still about two twenty

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Speaker 2: five sideways, get in the fairway, get back on plan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think most golfers think the goal of

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Speaker 1: a recovery shot is to make a par. The goal

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Speaker 1: if you get into trouble is to do everything you

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Speaker 1: So par isn't even in the equation. Really, you're just

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Speaker 1: basically saying, Okay, I've gotten into trouble. Now, I can

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Speaker 1: survive making a bogie, right, But doubles, triples, quads, these

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Speaker 1: big numbers that we put on the scorecard because we

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Speaker 1: They're disastrous for tour players. But for the average golfer

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Speaker 1: who's just trying to break the handicap barriers, the scoring barriers,

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Speaker 1: you're going to hit it into trouble, right, You're not

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Speaker 1: going to hit twelve fairways and sixteen greens around the

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Speaker 1: skill level for the majority of people playing golf, playing

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Speaker 1: the sport or just again, we watch golf on television,

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Speaker 1: we watch great players do great things, and I think

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Speaker 1: because we can go to the same golf course, we

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Speaker 1: can play from the same tees, we can play with

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Speaker 1: the same clubs, we can play with the same equipment,

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Speaker 1: we can get all of the things that tour players

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Speaker 1: have from clothing to equipment, Like you can basically buy

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Speaker 1: everything the best player in the world plays. You can

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Speaker 1: go out and buy what Scottie Scheffler wears from shirt, pants, shoes, glove,

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Speaker 1: ball clubs, but they play a completely different game. At

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Speaker 1: the elite tour level, that is not what real golfers play,

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Speaker 1: and so I think the mindset and the mind shift

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Speaker 1: Watch what happens when they don't hit the fairway. Watch

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Speaker 1: what happens when they miss agree so if they get

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Speaker 1: into trouble. I think those are the real relatable things

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Speaker 1: but just the basic you've missed the fairway? What do

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Speaker 2: You can see this on YouTube. You can search all

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Speaker 2: sorts of kind of miracle shots where you can search

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Speaker 2: the winner's tournament rounds, like from probably the I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things we always talk

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Speaker 1: Brooks Koka when he won the PJ at Bell Reeve. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you go and watch every shot that he played,

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Speaker 1: Outham Scott down the stretch. He hit this unbelievable shot

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think that he didn't miss any shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they get examples. The Masters app has

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Speaker 2: every shot hit the last Masters. You watch every shot

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Speaker 2: that role we hit in the final round. You can

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Speaker 2: see he missed some putts. He made that double early

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Speaker 2: on the part of three. Not every shot is perfect, right,

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Speaker 2: And what we're looking for basically is how they turn

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Speaker 2: hear the decision making behind the shot. And then YouTube

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Speaker 2: Tour events. They usually do a big mashup of the

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Speaker 2: every shot is not perfect yet they still win. A

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Speaker 2: great example is the Players Championship in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Cam Smith hitting it everywhere off the tee still won

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Speaker 2: that tournament with some great putting and elite recovery shots.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of pitch outs, a lot.

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Speaker 2: you can work on if you have the right tools

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Speaker 2: The skill is getting out of there with a bogie

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Speaker 1: It's an emotional problem, right, I mean, I think a

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Speaker 1: I think golf is the ultimate pride sport. Right ego.

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Speaker 1: My dad always says, check your ego at the door, right.

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Speaker 1: He tells instructors to do that. He tells golfers to

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they're so upset, first of all, that

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Speaker 1: The tour players don't expect to hit every shot perfect. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why there is that difference in

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Speaker 2: If the world has ended. They try to make a

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Speaker 2: comparison to American football. If we have a play, we

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Speaker 2: the next play. We're gonna try to set up a

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Speaker 2: to her players kind of set up a chance to

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. You know, you and I

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Speaker 1: have done podcasts about this. I've done podcasts about this.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to have a plan B and

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Speaker 1: I think you know, we're always trying to plan on

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Speaker 1: tour for the miss right we're planning on, Okay, how

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Speaker 2: I got some pretty good data. But I anticipate, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're talking, this is a lot of opportunities to get

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Speaker 1: So let's go see some recovery shot scenarios. Right, So

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Speaker 1: advance it without significant risk of making things worse, take

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Speaker 1: about what significant risk means. Correct, right, I mean Richard Bland,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. Richard Bland, who plays on

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Speaker 1: Live and he's in his fifties playing some of the

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Speaker 1: best golf of his career. He was talking some of

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Speaker 1: he plays, and he said, listen, if I get into

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Speaker 2: Chip out right, yes, give up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give up? I think that's a say listen, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boogies, You're good. Boogies are good. If you're in

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Speaker 2: the trees, you can advance it a significant distance, let's

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good example of that happened to DJ. Right.

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Speaker 2: to three, win to two feet and makes it for birdie.

436
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Speaker 1: But the average golfer is not going to do that,

437
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Speaker 1: not going so they're too eighty out. They're they're not

438
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Speaker 1: going to say, okay, to eighty out. Now I'm going

439
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Speaker 1: to hit a seven iron and then I'm going to

440
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Speaker 1: give myself a decent look with a club that I

441
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Speaker 1: can make a full swing from right and hit the

442
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Speaker 1: green get out of here. What are some tools that

443
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Speaker 1: we can give players orc that can help them not

444
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Speaker 1: compound a bad shot a bad swing.

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Speaker 2: I think that number one. When you're going out to practice,

446
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: going out to warm up, let's say start with like

447
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: maybe instead of your wedges, start with like a seven

448
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: ron punch out type of shot where you're learning how

449
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: to hit a little punch draw or a little punch fait. Right.

450
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's the other thing that.

451
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Speaker 2: A little more creative.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do this. We take players out on our

453
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Speaker 1: driving range and have them put balls in the in

454
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Speaker 1: the trees or have them hit balls out of the trees.

455
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Gets too side hills and stuff like that, but just

456
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Speaker 1: getting you to think, okay, if I was underneath a tree,

457
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Speaker 1: if I was in the rough, I need to hit

458
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Speaker 1: this maybe twenty to fifty yards. Practice that shot right,

459
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Speaker 1: practice your recovery shots on the driving range.

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Speaker 2: Right, try to you know, try to be creative and

461
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Speaker 2: try to be athletic. Try to see how far you

462
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: can curve a seven yard that only goes like fifty

463
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Speaker 2: yards in the air. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if you had to curve something left to right

465
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Speaker 1: around a tree, but you only had to hit it

466
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Speaker 1: fifty yards, teach yourself. You know, you can take like,

467
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: if you have to fade something around a tree, take

468
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Speaker 1: a seven iron, put it way up in your stance,

469
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: open the face a little bit, take the club on

470
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: the outside and just try and cut across it and

471
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: just try and hit something that's going to have a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of left to right curve some slice to it.

473
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Speaker 1: But you're only trying to do it fifty yards. Yeah,

474
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: the same thing. Put it back in your stance, hood

475
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: the club and just trying to hit a little low

476
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: draw fifty yards twenty yards.

477
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Speaker 2: Of smoking around a hill or something like that. Or

478
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Speaker 2: is it like an little imaginary shoot that you kind

479
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: of visualize. I think it's way better and way more

480
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: athletic warm up than trying to hit some like finess

481
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: wedges to start, which everybody does, right, So I think

482
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Speaker 2: that would be a great example of a tool. You know,

483
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: you've already hit your recovery shot. Hopefully we don't have

484
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Speaker 2: to use it, but now we've got more athletic warm up,

485
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: more creative warm up, then we can start getting into

486
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Speaker 2: that irregular practice session whatever we're working on.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing I think is tour players aren't embarrassed

488
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: by recovery shots. They're like, Okay, I'm in trouble. I'm

489
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: going to make a really quick decision right based off

490
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Speaker 1: of the information they've got, based off of what their

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Speaker 1: caddies got. You know, I think some of these conversations

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Speaker 1: that we see that we always loved to listen to

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Speaker 1: Michael Greller, who caddies for Jordan' speed sometimes that conversation

494
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: in the trees or when Jordan's in trouble. I mean,

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00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: it's some of the best drama on TV. You know,

496
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: from a golf standpoint, the caddy is always going to

497
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: try to get the player to play smart, and you'll

498
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: hear that or see You'll hear the players and you'll

499
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: hear the announcers say, listen, the caddy is desperately trying

500
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: to talk him into not going for this, right, because

501
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: they understand the risk versus the reward. So I think

502
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: tour players will quickly assess the situation, and as soon

503
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Speaker 1: as they make the decision that they're not going to

504
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: go for it, they're one hundred percent committed on the

505
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: next shot that they're going to hit. They're one hundred

506
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: percent committed on the chip out, the pitch out, the layup,

507
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Whereas I think the average golfer never really gets that

508
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: full commitment on Okay, I'm going to abandon my attempt

509
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: now to make a par, and what I'm not going

510
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: to do now is make a big number. My strategy

511
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: now goes, Okay, I just am not going to make double, triple,

512
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: quad X on this hole because I've hit a bad

513
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: drive on the second hole. I'm not going to go

514
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Speaker 1: to the third hole now and be five over because

515
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: I've just made a ridiculous number on an early hole

516
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Speaker 1: in my round. Because we've talked about this, because as

517
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Speaker 1: soon as that happens for most golfers, as soon as

518
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: they make a big number, deflation, well one, they get

519
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: deflated and then two. I'm generalizing, but we see it

520
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: on a regular basi. Then there's no strategy moving forward

521
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: on any hole they're playing. The strategy is, Okay, I've

522
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Speaker 1: just made an eight on a par four. How do

523
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Speaker 1: I get all of those strokes back immediately? You can,

524
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Speaker 1: You're not going to get those strokes back. So if

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Speaker 1: you make a big number, let's say you make a

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Speaker 1: big number early in the round, the goal now for

527
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Speaker 1: the rest of the round should be okay, let me

528
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Speaker 1: just not add fuel to the dumpster fire, right, because

529
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Speaker 1: that's what we see day in and day. I was

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Speaker 1: talking to someone the other day and he said, he

531
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Speaker 1: consistently shoots in the eighties, right. He said, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: he's had some rounds where he's had a chance to

533
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Speaker 1: break eighty. He says, you know, if I play really good,

534
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Speaker 1: I'll shoot in the low eighties in that kind of

535
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: eighty two, eighty three, eighty four range. And if I

536
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: play really bad, I'm in that kind of eighty seven,

537
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety range. And he said, listen,

538
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: do you think you could get me to break eighty?

539
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: And I said, I actually think I could get you

540
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Speaker 1: to break eighty and never work on your golf swing.

541
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Speaker 2: Yep.

542
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I think if we could go out and say, okay,

543
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: this is what you do on the golf course. Right,

544
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: so you've hit it in a bad spot. We just

545
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: the strategy now goes to doing.

546
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: This right and we have a margin of ra for

547
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Speaker 2: let's say it's par seventy two. We got eight bogies

548
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: we can make and still have a chance to break

549
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Speaker 2: eighty more than half the course or less than second.

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Speaker 1: Say that again, because like if pars seventy two.

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00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: Par seventy two, you can make eight bogies and shoot

552
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: eighty right, that's a little bit less than half the course. Right,

553
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: you have ten other holes to either make a part

554
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: or potentially a bogie to break that eighty. Right, So

555
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: the math is pretty clear, right.

556
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Speaker 1: I just think if everyone listening could just start to

557
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: think more, I don't know better.

558
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: More logically we get a value of bogey more. Right,

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00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: The momentum bogie out of the woods is a great

560
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: bogie that can help kind of build some momentum going

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Speaker 2: into the round.

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Speaker 1: That's another good one. Say that one again. Value bogey

563
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Speaker 1: more means.

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Speaker 2: What, Yeah, value bogey more basically means you can make

565
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: a bogie out of the trees wherever you're at, and

566
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: that momentum is going to help you throughout the round. Right,

567
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: you can three put, that's deflating, right, that hurts. But

568
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: if you can make a bogie out of the trees,

569
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Speaker 2: that bogie has some more value to it because it

570
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: sustains that round and keeps the car on the racetrack.

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Speaker 1: Again, we watch golf on television. Everybody wants to hit

572
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: the hero good shots, right, But the amount of times

573
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: you'll see a tour player make a bogie and it's

574
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Speaker 1: a really good bogie, and then you'll talk to them

575
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: after the round. They'll say, man, I stole one on fourteen.

576
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: I somehow got out of there with bogie, and like

577
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: you said, it kept the momentum of the round going

578
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: because you made a bogie. Okay, you're only one over right,

579
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: one over par on that whole, But what you didn't

580
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Speaker 1: do is make X correct to where there is zero

581
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Speaker 1: chance for the majority of golfers that are listening to

582
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. If you make a big number, right, if

583
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: you make a double, triple, quad, you make that really

584
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: really X on the scorecard. You're not going to make

585
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: five to six birdies to recover. It's what else a

586
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: math skill set problem. I think you just don't have

587
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: the skill and the firepower to recover from.

588
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: That, right. A lot of those stat platforms have like

589
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: bodie conversion, par conversion. The man, it's hard pressed to

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: find bogie conversion. And if you can find that stat

591
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: like we have that, you can whatever your bogie conversion percentages.

592
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Players are c track themselves their bogie conversion rate.

593
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Yes they should. How you're gonna have to do it

594
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: manually for some platforms, or you can use clips like

595
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: we do. That is a qualitative stat, a bogie conversion

596
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: stat for me because that means we've kind of scrambled

597
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: the entire hole and we make like an eight foot

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: for bogie boom. That is more of a qualitative stat

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00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: that we can track.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's also a stat that is a

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Speaker 1: skill that you can train.

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00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: That's definitely a skill you can train. And for sure

603
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: lost version theory, there's a whole bunch of theories and

604
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: how this works where you conceidaly at least from the

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00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 2: tour level and on to the amur level, that there's

606
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: a greater propensity to save par and bogie than there

607
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: is to make a birdie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been talking about that this year. You were

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00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: saying that DJ right now believes yes in the game right.

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00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you rarely see tour players twelve

611
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: feet for par leave it short, correct, it doesn't happen.

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: So that's another thing I think when you're watching golf

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00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: on TV, watch par putts speed wise and intent wise.

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00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean, twelve foot for par it's almost like they're

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00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: trying to make it in a way that twelve foot

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Speaker 1: are for birdie.

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Speaker 2: It's like you have to make that par putt and

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00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: you can kind of not make the birdie putt.

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Speaker 1: You and I have talked about this a lot, Jay Haastrei,

620
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Speaker 1: but I've talked to some of the psychologists about this.

621
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Speaker 1: Why do players put more aggressive for parr than they

622
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: do for birdie. It's gotta be the fear of loss.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the loss of version, yes, yes, right, we just

624
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: can't afford to make a bogie here, that type of

625
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: thing we're in terms of recovery shots. Yes, you want

626
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: to buy into that bogie, and that's where we can

627
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: value those bogies more, right, and we can value those

628
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: pars more where we kind of devalue the birdie putt

629
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Speaker 2: because we have that chance to just kind of miss

630
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: it and still make out, make out with the park.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you watch the US Open

632
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: every year, they'll use the term that's a US Open

633
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: par they'll use the term that's a US Open bogie. Right.

634
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: And we were on the range. One of the kids

635
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: that we work with, you'd gone to Q School and

636
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, it'd struggled at Q School, and Victor Hovelin,

637
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: who's a member here at Floridian, was doing some practice

638
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: before the Masters. And I don't work with Victor Hovlin.

639
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: He's just a here, but he practices. So anytime Vic's around,

640
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: tried to pick his brain, trying to So this player

641
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: was talking to me about Q School, and I went

642
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: over and said to Vic, listen. You know, the kid

643
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: talked about the problems that he had at Q School

644
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and Vic brought up He's like, listen,

645
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at Vicky had a chance

646
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to win the US Open last year, and he's just

647
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: grinding all day. You know, Pars Pars. Pars makes the

648
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: bogie right, but he's not making double right. And then

649
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: at some point there's always that point at a US Open,

650
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Speaker 1: at one of the really really hard US Opens, to

651
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: whar down the stretch. You know, you've got maybe six

652
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: to ten guys that are in the mix on Sunday, right,

653
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: and it's who can just continue to make pars make

654
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: a bogie when they need to make a buck. Like

655
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: we say that right in US Opens, Right, you gotta

656
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: make bogie here, like if he wants to have a

657
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: chance to win the tournament, you can't make double or

658
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: triple here.

659
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

660
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: But every year you'll see someone who's right there in

661
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: the mix on a really really hard golf course and

662
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: they make double at the absolute worst time, And if

663
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: they'd made a bogie, they may have been able to

664
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: survive it.

665
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: Awestly, we get to the US Opens, like an Oakmont

666
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: last year, it's really easy to make a double if

667
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: you're greenside or short sided.

668
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: Get Oakmont last year. Weren't going around on the practice round,

669
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: And that's what the players are saying. They're like, listen,

670
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: you're staring disaster in the face on every single hole

671
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: if you hit a shot that's just marginally offline.

672
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like number two Oakmont, Like right in the beginning

673
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: your round short part four, right up.

674
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: The hill, next hole the par three, you miss that

675
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: fair way at all, you're basically staring double bogie.

676
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you miss a fair way period of US.

677
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think this idea for golfers getting this

678
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: idea in their head that they are going to try

679
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: and make a US Open type bogie. Yes, right to

680
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: where the fifths pump that you were able to make

681
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: because you got out of jail with bogie.

682
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: Yes, you're on the green and three shots on a

683
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: par for at twenty food and you just two put

684
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: bogie and you get out of there.

685
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: The other thing is, recovery shots are not glamorous, right.

686
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: No one's posting a twenty yard punch out on their

687
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Instagram and they made par right. But that ability to

688
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: get out of trouble without making it worse to me

689
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: is one of the most valuable skills that you can

690
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: train that will help you break the scoring barriers. He

691
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: will help you break the scoring barriers.

692
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: If anything, it just adds a nice little color to

693
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: your round because that's gonna weigh out your opponents, no doubt.

694
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: By the time you finished eighteen holes, getting out of

695
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: trouble with bogey's.

696
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: To me or see. The golfer that consistently make Bogie

697
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: from trouble trouble will always beat the golfer that goes

698
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: for it and tries to make the hero shot. Oh yeah,

699
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: the golfer that says, Okay, i'm gonna take my medicine,

700
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chip out, and the worst I'm gonna make

701
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: here is bogie the math versus the player that says,

702
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm all in on this shot. I'm gonna pull off

703
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: the hero shot, and if I pull it off, I'm

704
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: gonna somehow to me. The other mindset shift is you're

705
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: in trouble and you're gonna try and go for the

706
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: hero shot when you should just lay up right. If

707
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: you think the hero shot is going to give you

708
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make Birdie, you're crazy. The hero shot

709
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: might give you an opportunity if you absolutely hit the

710
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: shot of the day, the shot of your career, you

711
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: might just get out of there with a par, but

712
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to over the court like. I'd love

713
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: to find the stats of recovery shots where players made Bertie.

714
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that'd be a great stat I don't quite have

715
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: that scoring differential.

716
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: But you would imagine that it would the difference between

717
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: a tour player and a scratch golfer, I think that

718
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: gap would be significant.

719
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a great question, and I'm sure I

720
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: can find it at some point. These kind of scoring

721
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: differential when it's a recovery shot on a hole, but.

722
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: You're not going to give yourself a good look, that's

723
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: the other thing.

724
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Well, like DJ twice, I think it was twice out

725
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: of seventeen times he had a birdie button.

726
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so two out of seventeen recovery shots.

727
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: That's world class player too.

728
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's major champion, former number one in the world,

729
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: playing god. And I think if we look at you know,

730
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I look at the way Scotty Scheffler plays golf, and

731
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit for being as

732
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: smart golfer. Yeah, as he is, and I think the

733
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: way that he plays golf is very, very smart, whereas

734
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: at times Phil Jordan they get into trees and they're gamblers, right,

735
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're going to try and talk their

736
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: way into the to the hero shot, right, They're gonna try.

737
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean Bones used to say that when he caddied

738
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: for Phil that I think Phil had one overrule. He

739
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: could say no, no, I'm over ruling you on this,

740
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: and I am going to one per year, one per

741
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: year so that player caddy relationship to where the player

742
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: would say listen, I'll listen to you, but you have

743
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: to give me one a year where I can overrule

744
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: you because the caddy is going to try and talk

745
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: you into a way to not make bogie. That's the

746
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: other thing that I think people need to understand. The

747
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: caddy will will do everything he can for the player

748
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: so that they don't make a bogie. That's their that's

749
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: their thought process. So like, dude, you are bringing a

750
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: big number into this, so I am not going to

751
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: I am going to do everything in my power as

752
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: the caddy to where we the worst we make here

753
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: is bogie. So I think, how does the average golfer

754
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: RC become their own caddy that caddy voice yes and

755
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: talk themselves into the right decision.

756
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: Overball every hero shot? May you give yourself one per season?

757
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe we give we give players for twenty

758
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: twenty six, you're allowed one hero.

759
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: Shot go for your player probably hits, I don't know,

760
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: probably playing one hundred and something turned rounds. Average players

761
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: probably let's say one per week's or maybe fifty to

762
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: fifty to two rounds a year. One hero shot per

763
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: season is probably a good choice.

764
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: Other than that, be your own caddy and ship out,

765
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: tank your medicine, get it back and play. And then

766
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: the other thing is save the hero shot for Okay,

767
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble. I can advance at a meaningful distance. Okay,

768
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: go for it. That's a meaningful distance. Is not what

769
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: we see from Jordan, from Phil, from guys that we've

770
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: all seen on TV when they have these get out

771
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: of jail shots. You know that famous one where Phil

772
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: hit the shot and said to Bones. I think it

773
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: was at the players. He was like, I didn't want

774
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: to tell you what I was going to do because

775
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I knew you talked me out of it, right, Ryan,

776
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: You'll hear tour players say that I wasn't going to

777
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: tell you what I was going to do there because

778
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: I knew you try and talk me out. I think

779
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: that's the best example, right, Phil went for a shot.

780
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I think you know Bones his caddies Jimcley now does

781
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: a great job at NBC. One of the best caddies

782
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: I think of all time. You've got Phil one of

783
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: the greatest golfers of all time, saying to him, I

784
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to tell you what I was going to

785
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: do there because I know you would have tried to

786
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: talk me out of it. Right, So, when you're in trouble,

787
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: ask yourself, if you had a caddy, would they be

788
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: going Would they say, Okay, I'm one hundred percent in

789
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: you going for this? Right?

790
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the little little claude coach claude your shoulder.

791
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: Have your own coach yourself on the shoulder, and talk

792
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: yourself into playing a hero shot for me and going

793
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: for it. Is when you are in trouble, you can

794
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: advance the golf ball a meaningful significant distance.

795
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Only when you need to, right, I think the situation

796
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: would be playoff golf last hole down one.

797
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: That's not on Saturday morning, on your third hole, when

798
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: you're first starting the round. I think what we're always

799
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: trying to get players not to do is make decisions

800
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: that kind of put themselves behind the eight ball, put

801
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: themselves in situations that then they make a bad decision,

802
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: and then the round just becomes no plan and the

803
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: round becomes all emotional based off of the fact that

804
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: you've just made a nine on a par five.

805
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: We coached are trying to make all the decisions pregame

806
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: and your game plan. Try to make all those decisions

807
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: before the round, so we don't let emotions dictate the

808
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: decisions doing the round right. And the hero shot is liketion.

809
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: There's like no data to subbordin your shot.

810
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing, like we talked about we're

811
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: trying to get we talked about earlier, we're trying to

812
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: get players go out and practice chip outs, punch outs, yo,

813
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: practice curving it right. So most golfers are never ever

814
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: going to do that ever. So now they're going to

815
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: try and hit a hero shot that they've never tried

816
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: to hit before, even in practice, So they don't have

817
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: any data points from their pe that they've ever pulled

818
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: off the shot that they're going to try and hit.

819
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: We say this to players all the time. Listen, don't

820
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to where you have to

821
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: hit a shot that you've never hit in practice. You know,

822
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: like if you watch it was a great last year.

823
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: I think I was watching NFL and the Philadelphia Eagles

824
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: the dumb tush push they they run up right, it

825
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: looked like they were going to run the tush push

826
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: where they're just gonna run up and it's like that

827
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: rugby style to where they just kind of everybody just

828
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: dives forward and they kind of get the one yard.

829
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: They did one where they lined up for that, and

830
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: then the guy that they hiked it to he threw

831
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: it and they scored a touchdown. That's not the first

832
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: time they've tried that play, by the way, exactly right,

833
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: And so the announcers say, oh, what a great call,

834
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: what a great call, what a great play at this time.

835
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: But they didn't just go over in a time out

836
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, guys, we've never done this before. The

837
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: game's at a critical point. Now we're going to now

838
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: try something that we've never practiced. We've never even tried this,

839
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: We're just going to try it on the fly now

840
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. That that just doesn't

841
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: happen in team sports.

842
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: It only happens in amateur golf.

843
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: It only happened, I think it. It really happens so

844
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: much more in golf than in any other sport. That

845
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: the decision making process is you're hitting shots one you

846
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: have no business trying to hit, and two you've never

847
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: even practiced it so again going back to the logical

848
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: thinking of it. And I liked what you said thinking

849
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: about your round in advance and going into it with

850
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: the mindset of okay number one. Today, if I get

851
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: into trouble, if I don't have a significant gain and

852
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: hit the distance, a significant and meaningful distance through the trees,

853
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: hero shot, I am not going to. That's just part

854
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: of my game plan today is if I get in trouble,

855
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch out, take my medicine, and try and

856
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: make a bogey.

857
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: That's it.

858
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the easiest ways to

859
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: break one hundred for the first time, to break ninety

860
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: for the first time, to break eighty. It's also one

861
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: of the easiest ways and one of the most meaningful

862
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: ways to break par for the first time. Right, So,

863
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: if you've got a good round going to where you

864
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: have a chance to shoot sixty nine or sixty eight

865
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: or seventy or seventy one, but let's say par seventy two,

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Speaker 1: you have a chance to shoot under par. Right, don't

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Speaker 1: let the fact that you've got a good round going

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Speaker 1: skew your thinking into thinking, Okay, I'm in trouble. Off

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Speaker 1: the t now. But I'm gonna I've got a legit

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Speaker 1: chance with four holes left now to break to shoot

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Speaker 1: six shooting sixties for the first time ever. Right, And

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Speaker 1: I'm in trouble now and now I'm just gonna push

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Speaker 1: all the chips all in.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it, don't do it. You never know when

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Speaker 2: a birdie can come. You never know. If you punch

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Speaker 2: out to one forty and you hold that wet shot,

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Speaker 2: you just never know.

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Speaker 1: Say that one again.

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Speaker 2: You never know when birdies come.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this the I think the more

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Speaker 1: opportunities for the majority of golfers, the more opportunities you

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Speaker 1: give yourself at making pars and birdies. Yep, you are

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Speaker 1: going to have just by the math, you're going to

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Speaker 1: have more chances. You're gonna have more birdie chances trying

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Speaker 1: to make par than you are trying to make birdies.

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Speaker 1: And I know that sounds crazy, but I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna give yourself more chances for what everybody wants to do,

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Speaker 1: which is make more birdies by trying to make more

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Speaker 1: bogies and by trying to make more.

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Speaker 2: Pars, no question about it. Scores lower by losser version, right,

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Speaker 2: valuing those pars and bogies.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at your scorecard after

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Speaker 1: a round, RC, go through it and look at the

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Speaker 1: pars you make and patch yourself on the back for

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Speaker 1: how many pars that you make? Right, Because for the

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Speaker 1: majority of the people listening, myself included, par golf is

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Speaker 1: really good, golf killing it. RCI always good to have

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Speaker 1: you on the pod. It's the son of a bunch

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