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Speaker 1: Once again, welcome to another episode of Hawks and Friends.

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Speaker 2: Man. Listen, Oh that's what the F stands. Yes, that's

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Speaker 2: what their friends. I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: Too, they said, DC Young Flyer was hosting a podcast

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Speaker 3: and it was called Hawks a F. I said, Oh,

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Speaker 3: to Okay, all right, so we still want brands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still on advertised, we're still on brand, but

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Speaker 1: I got to give you the proper introduction.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry. Go ahead, man, because we know each

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Speaker 2: other right here, go ahead to let the people know. Okay,

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Speaker 2: now today's guests.

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Speaker 1: All right, my O, g man, someone I could I

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, advice when I need advice. He's a Hollywood icon, filmmaker, producer, director,

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Speaker 1: handling his business. Oh make some noise for will pack up? Yes, sir, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having to come on, come.

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Speaker 2: On be here. How you feeling, man? You feel good? Yeah? Hawks,

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Speaker 2: they gave me a job. Yeah, you know I'm saying

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Speaker 2: that they told him come on back.

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Speaker 3: So this is job number three thousand, seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: Crazy thing is that you lie to these people. Told

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Speaker 2: you know what I did tell him. I tell him

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Speaker 2: I wanted to add the money to the tickets. Yes,

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Speaker 2: because the season tickets are expensive. They are tough. They tough.

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Speaker 2: How's it going, man? Listen, you know I'm still on

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Speaker 3: Yes I am. I'm blessed. I cannot lie. I'm here

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Speaker 3: chilling with you. Hawk's gonna pull off a wind tonight,

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Speaker 2: I really am, Are you of course? What you mean? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm a longtime Hawks boardman. Oh oh yeah boardman. Hold on,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, I don't even know there was different

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Speaker 2: uh level boards? Yeah? Are yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, like you got to say, so well on this,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that I have nothing to say

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Speaker 3: This is the philanthropic board. Now we get back to

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Speaker 3: the community and do all those things. And so mister

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Speaker 3: Tony Wrestling Jamie Girt is very good friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: And I was proud of my time on the Hawks board.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's levels, DC, you know that level.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get on the board next time. Well,

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that I want people to know. I

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Speaker 1: I got the final answer. You got the final answer.

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Speaker 2: The magic is not the market, The magic is not

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Speaker 3: So we were able to be successful not being in

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Speaker 3: Yes, where you can absolutely one. We moved here because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And before we go play this game right

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go whatever you say, I'm taking it straight

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Speaker 1: So if that's saying quote unquote, if somebody signed a

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be playing for way to go forward. They

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Speaker 1: You gotta worka who black saving up here?

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Speaker 2: It's eighty two.

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Speaker 1: But no, o g man, we appreciate your your your presence,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, Stump the yard was a success. You

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Speaker 3: It's the next generation that looks at me and says,

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to leave behind.

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Speaker 3: Right when we all leave this earth, we will be

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Speaker 2: And I try to be very very intentional about that. Man,

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Speaker 2: Let it be your last time. I'm coming back when

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Speaker 1: If they let you keep the show, you over here

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Speaker 2: The last day. No, No, what I'm saying is I

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Speaker 3: They love you because you're real, real and you speak,

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Speaker 3: you have always speaked, spoken the voice of the people.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: On the VOP bank, you walk out here with DC.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows d C, d C what something that few younglove.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows you. Everybody loves you. Don't ever change keep

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Speaker 2: Listen, We're gonna keep God first. Absolutely, He's all we got.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stay grateful, ye because like you know, we

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Speaker 2: You just waited for the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You waited for when it was your time, and when

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate you. Hey a t ym America Hawks

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