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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Nol is still on an adventure, but will

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Speaker 2: be back soon.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, folks, you argue you are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: If you are.

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Speaker 4: Listening to our strange news program the evening, it publishes

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Speaker 4: Welcome to October sixth, twenty twenty five. We almost cribbed

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Speaker 4: a page from our buddy Miles's book over on Daily's geys,

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Speaker 4: where we check in with the national or international days

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Speaker 4: that occur on the calendar. Matt, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you do that, but I do it every evening when

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Speaker 4: I wake up. It's just such a it's such a

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Speaker 4: cool way to learn about the world, you know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last time we were doing this, which was yesterday,

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Speaker 2: it's now October first, and the government is shut down.

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Speaker 2: We were recording yesterday, and we noted it was International

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Speaker 2: Podcasting Day when we recorded What is today? Do you

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Speaker 2: have one?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, man, we got tons.

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Speaker 4: Not all are created equally, to be honest, this is

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Speaker 4: the two hundred and seventy ninth day of the year.

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Speaker 4: Some holidays you might recognize would be World Space Week. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm working so hard to be positive. Space is so

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Speaker 4: fricking cool. World Space Week. Here in the United States,

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Speaker 4: it's a German American Day, and we'll see why. That's

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Speaker 4: an interesting reference as this program continues. Also, shout out

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Speaker 4: to Sri Lankan teachers. It is Teachers Day in Sri Lanka.

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Speaker 4: And again shout out to Miles who came up with

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Speaker 4: that idea. It's just such a beautiful way to learn

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Speaker 4: about the world. Matt, We're going to have a bit

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Speaker 4: of a cognitive roller coaster because there are some things

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Speaker 4: that have been on our mutual mind. Yeah, we've been

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Speaker 4: we've been quite intense on some research. But I suggest

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Speaker 4: before we get into the Shenanigans, we give a shout

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Speaker 4: out to Hershey.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Chocolate is one of those things that

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Speaker 2: we know will bring us up. It will make us

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Speaker 3: If we can ansume it right, and don't ask about

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, especially the

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Speaker 2: American sold milk chocolate. Don't ask about any of that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, don't ask about the factories or the the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what's in chocolate news today, Ben.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a big win for Hershey.

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Speaker 4: Matt Hershey, Uh, just laughing because of the way an

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Speaker 4: journalist Damy Peache writing over at CBS News, Hershey has

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Speaker 4: won a suit you guys claiming it's Reese's Halloween candies

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Speaker 4: first line here quote. Hershey received a treat Friday when

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Speaker 4: a judge dismissed a lawsuit claiming the company's Reese's candies

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Speaker 4: tricked customers by depicting spooky Halloween designs on their packaging,

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Speaker 4: while the unwrapped chocolates were in fact featureless, just kind

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Speaker 4: of globs. Just got yeah, just kind of peanut butter

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Speaker 4: chocolate globs. Like we were, like, we were discussing a

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Speaker 3: You said that you're more a holiday chocolate guy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I just had one the other day because they

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Speaker 3: That's just a thing that happens.

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Speaker 2: It's mostly a removing temptation because if I have a

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Speaker 4: Also, you know, it's always Halloween in America. We're going

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Speaker 4: then we get into a weirdly awesome heist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like those that'll make me feel better. Honestly, Ben,

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is something I had never heard about. Apparently

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, that makes sense if

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Speaker 3: I know. Then, I remember, dude, we were hanging out.

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Speaker 4: Our office was still in Buckhead, I want to say,

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Speaker 4: show casey Pegram, who was longtime producer of ridiculous history

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Speaker 4: It was at the other office, thens okay, but.

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Speaker 2: It was like right as we moved in, and it

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Speaker 4: So she she has to get the money out of China.

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Speaker 4: So she attempts to do it with one of the

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Speaker 2: You're a winner of a very dark lottery.

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Speaker 4: That's a great setup for some for some other stuff

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Speaker 4: that's been on our minds, Matt, we were talking about

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Speaker 4: just sort of round robineing or ping pong and back

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Speaker 2: I got two things. It intersects two things we've talked

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Speaker 2: This is a really cool thing. This is a really

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Speaker 2: Inside that press release, there's a video of a demonstration

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Speaker 2: and now on September twenty eighth. That's being written about

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Speaker 2: by Mark Tyson over at Tom's Hardware.

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Speaker 3: I would look Tom's Hardware. It's a great source.

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Speaker 2: Actually, me too, me too. Check this out. It just

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Speaker 2: sounds amazing and it seems like a really important weapon

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Speaker 3: Man. Yes, Leonidas is named after the king of Sparta.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I saw some I saw some internet efemera

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really just a pushkick too. It's not even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the damage happens when you land.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, on spikes or in an endless

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we should also be noted that this drone

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Speaker 2: Anytime there's a government contract offered for a specific type

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like television. I still don't think humans are

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Speaker 3: Ever ready for the information age.

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Speaker 4: We know, this arms race, this back and forth can

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's it's one of those weapons systems

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Speaker 4: Exactly, which was the original name until somebody read a

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Speaker 3: Film's good though, story for a different day. Do we

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Speaker 2: That's probably a good idea.

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Speaker 3: All right, good luck everyone, Yep, good luck.

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Speaker 2: No, we're fine, We're fine. It only happened for thirty

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Speaker 4: so we'll see how long this one goes ultimately. Look,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't seem great, especially for you know, most

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. It looks like eight

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Speaker 4: And the CBO Congressional Budget Office says about seven hundred

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Speaker 4: But good news, folks, if you're worried about Congress, they're fine.

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Speaker 3: They don't get furloughed. Yeah, the president still gets a salary.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 4: The people in charge of shutting this thing down are

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Speaker 4: At least until re election time comes up. Man, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was twenty eighteen last time.

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Speaker 2: Man, It's just if you go online, depending on your source,

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Speaker 3: Why do you keep making me hit you? It's just.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I feel the way I feel today,

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Speaker 4: away from the philosophy and all the nerdy stuff. The

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Speaker 4: brass tacks of it are this. There's a huge clash

439
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Speaker 4: that's been ongoing. Specifically, the one that we believe resulted

440
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Speaker 4: in this shutdown was that the Democratic side of Congress

441
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Speaker 4: and US Polity is demanding an extension of healthcare funding

442
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Speaker 4: because the subsidies that were made during a previous administration,

443
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Speaker 4: the Barack Obama administration are set to expire, so people's

444
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Speaker 4: healthcare people who are in that plan their premiums will

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Speaker 4: skyrocket at the.

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Speaker 3: End of the year.

447
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Speaker 4: And then they also put in a bid where they said,

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Speaker 4: we need something in writing assurances that the current president

449
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Speaker 4: won't continue to unilaterally withhold spending that Congress already agreed on.

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Speaker 4: So everybody in Congress, by hook or by crook, you know,

451
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Speaker 4: whether they loved it or not, they reached a compromise

452
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Speaker 4: and they said, Okay, we're going to spend X on Y.

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Speaker 3: And the issue, at least coming from.

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Speaker 4: The Democratic side, is that they believe the current presidential

455
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Speaker 4: administration sees what Congress does and if it's politically advantageous

456
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Speaker 4: to them, they just pretend it never happened.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they say, no, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: I was sent something this morning. It was where is

459
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Speaker 2: it here? He goes from the Guardian. It's about several

460
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Speaker 2: federal agencies that sent out official memos regarding the shutdown.

461
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Speaker 2: And it was one of those where you could see

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Speaker 2: from several of the major agencies that it was copy

463
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Speaker 2: and paste job or you know, a memo that was

464
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Speaker 2: sent to those agencies to send out and it's like,

465
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Speaker 2: here's why everything's happening.

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Speaker 3: And here's the language to use.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw those and it's interesting how these you know,

468
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Speaker 2: official federal agencies within those messages blame I guess, I

469
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: guess Democrats, uh as like that's why this is happening.

470
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Speaker 2: And then to but to have federal agencies that are

471
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Speaker 2: neither Republican or Democrat right state something like that goes

472
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Speaker 2: back to this thing called the Hatch Act, right, which

473
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: is supposed to limit the political activities you know what,

474
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Speaker 2: politics within these government agencies and government positions. So then

475
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Speaker 2: now there's going to be a whole fight about that

476
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Speaker 2: and what did that mean in lawsuits and just more division?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and can these agencies function if they lose the

478
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Speaker 4: ability to be a political I'm thinking in particular, I

479
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: want to give it you guys know, I'm super into

480
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: aviation for some side missions, and I want to give

481
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Speaker 4: a shout out to the long suffering folks at the FAA,

482
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Speaker 4: the Federal Aviation Administration. Why why are we shouting out

483
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Speaker 4: the specifically or why am I doing that? It's because

484
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 4: a partial government shutdown is going to put a lot

485
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Speaker 4: of pressure on a very unsafe infrastructure at the moment,

486
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Speaker 4: or a very struggling infrastructure. Air traffic controllers, security officers,

487
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: the ATC is a really interesting case, going all the

488
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Speaker 4: way back to the eighties, right when it was made

489
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Speaker 4: illegal for those guys to go on strike. So they

490
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: are going to be forced to work without pay because

491
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Speaker 4: the planes don't stop. And when you create a situation

492
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Speaker 4: like that, you massively increase the likelihood of something going

493
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Speaker 4: wrong in the sky or you know, spartakick style going

494
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Speaker 4: wrong when you try to land.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's probably the worst part of it. Yeah, makes

496
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Speaker 2: you want to get on a plane, and like, I

497
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Speaker 2: don't know a week, I'd love to just get on

498
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Speaker 2: a plane in about a week's time, fly somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love planes.

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Speaker 2: You can fly to Miami, where we embark on a cruise,

501
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: that true crime cruise.

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Speaker 3: Well, however we get there separately or together, whether by

503
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Speaker 3: horseback or traveling through shadows and mirrors at night or

504
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: hopping a plane.

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Speaker 2: You to ride a horse from Atlanta to Miami, that's crazy.

506
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: You gotta know the right horse. So you gotta know

507
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: a cool horse, a real shadow facts kind of horse.

508
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Speaker 4: So as you're hearing this October sixth, we are at

509
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Speaker 4: the end of the week embarking on a crazy journey

510
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Speaker 4: in the international waters. We're all very excited about that.

511
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Speaker 4: Dylan will be joining us as well as of course

512
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: Noel and several other podcasting colleagues. So from the tenth

513
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Speaker 4: through the fifteenth, we're.

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Speaker 3: On a true crime cruise.

515
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Speaker 4: We're doing a live show about the Bermuda Triangle. From

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Speaker 4: the Bermuda Triangle, assuming, assuming the world continues through October.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it doesn't, why not head out to

518
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: your local supermarket and pick up some Margaret Holmes diced

519
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: root of begas mmmm, real Southern style. We're not sponsored

520
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: by them, just you can get dice rut of begas

521
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: in your canned goods section. It's important to know.

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Speaker 4: Right right, this is the breaking news. And with that

523
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Speaker 4: you may wonder, folks, why I'm saying cryptic things like

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Speaker 4: assuming the world continues through October. Before we pause for

525
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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor, we and many of our

526
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists, including some people directly involved, have been

527
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Speaker 4: intensely interested and concerned with a big, weird meeting that

528
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Speaker 4: took place quite recently. So how about we pause for

529
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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsors, and then we dive in

530
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: to Pete Hexis and how he absolutely bombed his stand

531
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Speaker 4: up set in front of the world's most dangerous military.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and we've returned. I suppose let's begin towards the beginning, Ben,

533
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: because we have been talking about this off air for

534
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Speaker 2: a long time and doing little mentions on air. Let's

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Speaker 2: jump to ap News September twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. Hexith, abruptly,

536
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: someone's top military commanders to a meeting in Virginia next week,

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Speaker 2: and that is Defense Secretary Pete Hexeth or is it

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Speaker 2: War Secretary Pete Hexath? I guess it's still Defense Secretary.

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Speaker 2: This was announced in the news as some kind of memo, right, Hey, hey,

540
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Speaker 2: just so everybody knows in the world all of the

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Speaker 2: top military commanders are going to be meeting in a

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Speaker 2: place so the Defense Secretary can give a speech to them. Ben.

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Speaker 2: It hit me in a certain way, as you know,

544
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Speaker 2: just full on been a civilian, had civilian life my

545
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: entire life. I understand it to some certain extent because

546
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Speaker 2: of other people I know who have been in the military.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand maybe the full potential ramifications of having

548
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Speaker 2: all of those people in one room at one time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, As you recall one of the first things

550
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Speaker 4: I said, maybe I should have made that a priority.

551
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Speaker 4: But one of the first things I said was, how

552
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Speaker 4: incredibly cartoonishly unprofessional is this. We're all going to be

553
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Speaker 4: here at this spot. We're giving you a week's notice.

554
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Speaker 4: Anybody is mad at the US military infrastructure. The op

555
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: SECT was just missing. It was performative. And as we'll

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Speaker 4: see as we continue in this part of Strange News,

557
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Speaker 4: we'll see that indeed performance being performative, the appearance the

558
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: aesthetic of power was just as important to these folks

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Speaker 4: as the exercise of power actual. And that's a big

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Speaker 4: red flag for authoritarianism just throughout the world.

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Speaker 2: In any case, there's a flexing because you can.

562
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Speaker 4: Flexing, because you can flexing publicly so that your audience,

563
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Speaker 4: the public, the whole pelo see what is happening. That's

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Speaker 4: why we have those big parades with all the you know,

565
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: all the toys that we problematically think are very cool,

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Speaker 4: if evil, And that's why you see public dressing downs

567
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Speaker 4: in dictatorships, you know, in the stands or in the

568
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Speaker 4: case in China recently, very much still an authoritarian place

569
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Speaker 4: where a guy got sentenced to death publicly for taking bribes,

570
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Speaker 4: not even that much.

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Speaker 3: Like thirty eight million. Oh, which is weird that we

572
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Speaker 3: have to say it that way.

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Speaker 4: But it seems like a well, it's a lot, it's

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Speaker 4: a lot of entities like us.

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Speaker 2: It's there, wasn't there. There's a guy in us recently

576
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Speaker 2: that got in. He got his hands slapped because he

577
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Speaker 2: took a bag with fifty yeah.

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Speaker 3: A brown paper bag with fifty k. And he was like,

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Speaker 3: what is this? Why is this a problem? You don't

580
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Speaker 3: know me. Know what I do outside of work.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I carry around a brown paper bag that has

582
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars in it. That's just what I do.

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Speaker 4: It's loose diamonds all over again, you know what I mean?

584
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you need a bag of diamonds. I don't know

585
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Speaker 4: why everybody's been so weird about this.

586
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Speaker 2: Well, in this case of this meeting, yes, this meeting,

587
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: the timing feels weird for somebody who might be a

588
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: little conspiracy theory minded pointing at myself, somebody who you

589
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: know is in the in the news space looking for connections. Right,

590
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: you see that there's a looming government shutdown on the way.

591
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Speaker 2: Then you see, oh wait, the Defense secretary is getting

592
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Speaker 2: all of the military commanders together. That feels a little weird.

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Speaker 2: There's all these tensions happening, you know, considering Victory Day

594
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Speaker 2: that we talked about, and just mention again here in

595
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Speaker 2: China with all the heads of all these other countries.

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Speaker 4: Proposed invasions of domestic us cities, which is a violation

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Speaker 4: of a lot of a lot of stuff that the

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Speaker 4: country worked on for a couple centuries.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, so you're seeing all these things happen, and

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Speaker 2: then this meeting gets announced. My brain just exploded a

601
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Speaker 2: little bit and I was just going, Oh, this is it.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing. This is where something really big

603
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: is going down, whether it's going to be one of

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Speaker 2: these fabled false flag attacks that we know are real,

605
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Speaker 2: but also things are accused as false flags when they're not.

606
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Speaker 2: But then there are also real ones.

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Speaker 3: Shout out gulf of talking. Yeah, whoop, whoop.

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoop. Indeed, but in this case, they're at least

609
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Speaker 2: heading to Quantico, or the Marine Corps base there in Quantico.

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Speaker 2: If you've kept up with any kind of popular media,

611
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the FBI, there's so many shows

612
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Speaker 2: out there now. Quantico is often referenced because this is

613
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Speaker 2: the place or FBI Quantico is the place where everybody goes,

614
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Speaker 2: all the new recruits. Everybody heads on over there to

615
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Speaker 2: do their onboarding, their training, all kinds of stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You always hear about Quantico. Well, there's also a Marine

617
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Speaker 2: Corps base there and that's where they're heading. So you imagine,

618
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Speaker 2: at least again as a layperson here, you imagine that

619
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Speaker 2: place has got to be crazy secure. It would have

620
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Speaker 2: to be a high level operation if anything nefarious was

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Speaker 2: going to happen at this meeting, right, that isn't just

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Speaker 2: the meeting. So then and I'm only speaking personally here

623
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Speaker 2: because of just kind of describing what my process of

624
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: thinking through all this stuff and just sitting alone in

625
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: my house going oh what could this mean? Then you imagine, well,

626
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: what could the messaging be that ends up coming out

627
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: at that meeting. And that's when we have to jump

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Speaker 2: forward a little bit in time, because yesterday, as we

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Speaker 2: were recording on the thirtieth, just before that, the speeches

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Speaker 2: were made, right, and we maybe mentioned it a little

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Speaker 2: bit in that episode. I'm hesitant to get into the

632
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Speaker 2: politics of what it means, but maybe just some of

633
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Speaker 2: the direct quoting and some of the statements that were

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Speaker 2: made in front of these established esteemed military commanders. We

635
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Speaker 2: should at least talk about it a little bit for sure.

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Speaker 2: So you can go to the Guardian. That's one of

637
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: a good place that I found that has kind of

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Speaker 2: a breakdown of Defense Secretary Hegxith's speech. I'm trying so

639
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: hard to be objective and take like personal beliefs out

640
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: of this, but some of it just feels wrong. But

641
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: you just have to well just state it. Okay, you

642
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: can head on over to the Guardian and you can

643
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: find something. Well, I'll just give you the title no

644
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: More Woke in the US Military. Key takeaways from Pete

645
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Hegsath's speech You can read that it was posted on

646
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: the thirtieth of September. Gives you key takeaways. What I

647
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: got from this ben is that the Defense Secretary wants

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Speaker 2: the military to be very samey. He wants troops to

649
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Speaker 2: look the same. He wants troops to be able to

650
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Speaker 2: do the same kinds of things, going so far as

651
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: talking about making sure everyone is clean shaven and no

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00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: more beards are allowed. People they have to be physically

653
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Speaker 2: fit to a certain extent or they're no longer wanted.

654
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I also clocked the idea of fat soldiers in

655
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: fat generals per exits. Again, I'm calling it stand up folks.

656
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: I personally it looked like a stand up comic bombing.

657
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 4: People weren't vibing. The attempt was performative, you know. And

658
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: especially look if you know flag officers and up, like

659
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: the guys with the stars on their epaulets, they don't

660
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: really mess around, you know what I mean, And they're like,

661
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: of course they're duty bound by the constitution. But I

662
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: think it's safe to say they were rightly aggravated. As

663
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: guys who always have to fight over budgets, they were

664
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: rightly aggravated about the expense. This is the macro version

665
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: of could this have been an email?

666
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: Yes, because we were talking about millions of dollars to

667
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: get all of these one star or up generals in

668
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: their advisors to Quantico to have this meeting, to have

669
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: a former Fox News host get up there and as

670
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: you said, do a stand up show for them in

671
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: a what seems like, Hey, guys, we're all in this together.

672
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: But also if you don't like what I'm saying, you

673
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: need to leave and just retire, because this is how

674
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: it's going to be from now on.

675
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: Remember, I kept comparing it to a wedding. Last time

676
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: we talked about this from Game of Thrones, which is

677
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: adapted from Song of Ice and Fire.

678
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: Check out the books.

679
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll give you one direct quote from Pete Hexath,

680
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: from this Shindig quote. The sooner we have the right people,

681
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: the sooner we can advance the right policies. But if

682
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: the words I'm speaking today are making your heart sink,

683
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: then you should do the honorable thing and resign. We

684
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: will thank you for your service.

685
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 4: And I can't remember which recent recording we mentioned that

686
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 4: specific specific quotation.

687
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: On, but I think it was yesterday.

688
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: As the White Stripes say, it bears repeating because what

689
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: we're seeing here is still a modicum of civic behavior

690
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: a big leaf. Folks at that if you're unfamiliar, and

691
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: I know a lot of us in the audience intimately

692
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 4: know about this kind of surreal dog and pony show

693
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: at that level of the military, at that level, indeed

694
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: of a lot of part private industry. It's a bad

695
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: look to say you're firing someone in the military, especially

696
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: unless they've committed a crime, right or unless you successfully

697
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: smeared their character. Instead, what you do is sort of

698
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: volunteer people to resign and that way, it looks like

699
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: the onus of the decision was on them and not

700
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: upon the system. And that's a huge structural point. So

701
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: we see I think Hexath pushing really hard for that,

702
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: or whomever told him to do this performance really wanted

703
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: that to be a takeaway. Also, the notion of increasing

704
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: lethality and being less concerned about avoiding casualties, that's incredibly troubling.

705
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just considering the current deployments of US troops

706
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: on the National Guard level to US cities to police

707
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: those cities, right, and then there are more cities on

708
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: the way. I think Portland troops are being deployed to

709
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: Portland right now as we're recording this, and they will

710
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: get there by the time you hear this, and they.

711
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: Don't want to be there, by the way, No Lisa

712
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: ones I know are like this. It's it's like, what

713
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: was that deployment to DC? Where where these guys these Again,

714
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: we have to we have to make this point when

715
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: we mentioned this stuff. I don't want to put my

716
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: personal opinion in it. I'm just an entity. I wake

717
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: up at sunset and put my skin on one leg at.

718
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: A time like everybody else.

719
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: You know, but I do that too.

720
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: But but with that, you know, we want to give

721
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: you the facts and the analysis here, and we want

722
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: to exercise empathy for the people who are being subjected

723
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: to these deployments and the people who are being deployed.

724
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 4: It's not like they can realistically say screw you, I'm

725
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: staying home. Instead, a lot of these guys are saying, man,

726
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: this is a terrible day at the job. You know,

727
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to treat my fellow Americans as enemies.

728
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: Of course, which brings us to I think the real

729
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: reason this whole meeting was called and why they got

730
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 2: all the people together, because immediately following Pete Hegsith's thing,

731
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: the President of the United States got on stage and

732
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: talked for about an hour. And this is where Ben,

733
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: can you give us a quick catchphrase?

734
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 4: Sure, here's where it gets crazy stuff they don't want

735
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: you to know. Presents the enemy with it, Yes, with it.

736
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of stuff talked about by the

737
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: President on the stage during this meeting. My key takeaway

738
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: and the notes that I took as I was watching

739
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: it in real time, had to do with what the

740
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: people in that room, what their mission was going to be.

741
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean it would be the entirety of

742
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: their mission. It means that it is the desire of

743
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: the current administration that this be a part of it.

744
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: And here are some direct quotes. I was watching The Guardian.

745
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: They were doing a live posting at the same time.

746
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm watching the thing, and they're catching the things that

747
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: you know you and I know you and I would

748
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: be catching. And it just started making the hair on

749
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: the back of my neck stand up. Because the President said, quote,

750
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: we are under invasion from within, no different than a

751
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: foreign enemy, but more difficult in many ways because they

752
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: don't wear uniforms.

753
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: Right.

754
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: He said that quote, straightening out US cities will be

755
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: a major part for some of the people in this

756
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: room again talking to all these generals and advisors. Quote,

757
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: and this is going to be a major part for

758
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 2: some of the people in this room. That's a war too,

759
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: that's a war from within. Here's the last one. This

760
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: is the quote that really this is the hair on

761
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: the back of the neck thing. Quote. I told Pete

762
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: talking about Pete, hegseath we should use some of these

763
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: dangerous cities as training grounds for our military National Guard,

764
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: but military because we're going into Chicago very soon, and

765
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: the tone and tenor going into it and speaking about

766
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: it as though it would be normal and totally fine

767
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: to just be sending US military into US cities to

768
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: control them and to stop whatever it is that is

769
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: seen as undesirable.

770
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think undesirable is a bad word in

771
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: that case. I feel like that's fairly accurate, because there's

772
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: a narrative war going on portraying these cities as lawless

773
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 4: and permeated with violence crime. This narrative has a distinct

774
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: disadvantage because it does not match any quantitative data, any

775
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: quanticotative data. These stats just aren't there to support the claims.

776
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: And there is one. I'm not going to jump back

777
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 4: and forth here on this stuff, but objectively, in my opinion,

778
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: does not matter on this I'm not an expert. Objectively,

779
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: people need to remember that just because the generals in

780
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: the audience didn't immediately stand up and cheer, it doesn't

781
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: necessarily mean they're doing any kind of protest. That is

782
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: par for the course. When you get a speech from

783
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 4: the big guy of this level, right, you're not there

784
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: to fill out the crowd with applause on a Netflix special.

785
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 4: You're there to listen to the information, figure out what

786
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: the mission is, and do your best not to screw up.

787
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: But the question becomes, you know, if they're asking you

788
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: to do things that are genuinely against the mission of

789
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 4: the United States, how do you respond. If you're smart

790
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: enough that you have ascended to the role of general,

791
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: which is crazy to get there in the first place,

792
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: then you're already smart enough to take a moment and

793
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: collect your thoughts. Now, there might have been somebody in

794
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 4: the back who was like, but that is probably also

795
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: smart enough not to even say that under his breath,

796
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 4: he's waiting until he gets back to his place, and

797
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: that he's going to like pour a stiff drink and

798
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: you know, like.

799
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: The shower, check the devices.

800
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: You can't remove them because that'll be suspicious, and then

801
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 4: he'll just like scream into a scream pillow for a second.

802
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 4: That that is the reality and the reason this is dangerous,

803
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: and it's okay to call it alarmists. The reason this

804
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 4: is dangerous is because, performative as it may be, it

805
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: sends serious conspiratorial signals to anyone who is a student

806
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 4: of history. Everything is precedent. I keep saying that now authoritarianism,

807
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: similar to fascism, is measured in terms of tactics, right,

808
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 4: not in terms of definition, So you you don't look

809
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: necessarily at what people are saying at this level. You

810
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: look more at their actions and what they're doing.

811
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 3: And what they're doing is.

812
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 4: Arguably to a lot of critics against the mission of

813
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 4: the United States, well.

814
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: They're at least messaging it very publicly, right to an

815
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: audience of captive heads of military I think about it

816
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: also on the heels of what we talked about on

817
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: Strange News last time, where there was the push by

818
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: the Pentagon to say, hey, journalists, you cannot report on

819
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: anything that is not directly approved by the Pentagon.

820
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: Right without explaining the channels of approval. Yeah, which also

821
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: makes it a trap just to be completely honest, because

822
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: I'd like to share something I've referenced in the past.

823
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: This is one that love our veteran friends will recognize.

824
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: It's a true story. They used to say in the Pentagon.

825
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who is joking or who was serious

826
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: when they said this, but they used to say we

827
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: never lie. The truth changes, which is just peak cognitive Parkour,

828
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: whoever worked on that one is evil and probably really

829
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: fun to.

830
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: Hang out with.

831
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: Actually I don't know.

832
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, hang out with for like an hour.

833
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, say hi to.

834
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: Grab some juice, get a coffee, and then set your timer.

835
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: So each X filtrate take a dip in the hot

836
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: tub with a couple of bruise or right, pete, Hey,

837
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: all right, anyways, I don't have much more to this,

838
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Ben besides just I think it is worth us really

839
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: paying attention. Just pay attention, that's all, because there's never

840
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: gonna be one big announcement. Hey guys, it's orwell time

841
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be these little tiny movements that push

842
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: us closer and closer to whatever that thing is.

843
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the time something like that happens, if

844
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: the historically, when things go down, these incremental erosion of

845
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: checks and balances sort of structures historic what happens is

846
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: you wake up one day and you've always been at

847
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: war with Eurasia, You've always been at war with East

848
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: Asia or Oceania. You know, whatever just happened is going

849
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: to be messaged as though it was always this way,

850
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 4: and people be afraid to speak up. I do have

851
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: a conspiratorial thing there's no rabbit hole too far ever

852
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: since we've started this show, Matt Dylan. I don't know

853
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: if you guys have heard, but it turns out the

854
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: commander in chief making that recent speech that has garnered

855
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: so much controversy and interest might not actually be the

856
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: president at all.

857
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry yet.

858
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, guys.

859
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: This goes to a returning guest of the show, the

860
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: QAnon Shaman, none other than Jacob Chansley, who has recently

861
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 4: sued Donald Trump personally for forty trillion dollars and he

862
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 4: claims he is the rightful president of the United States.

863
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 5: Oh Q sad trombone horns.

864
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, do that.

865
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: And keep the part where you said that billing. Okay,

866
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: it's a twenty six page complaint. It's all one paragraph

867
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: and it reads like a manifesto. You can learn about

868
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: this from some excellent work by TJ. Lahue in the

869
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Speaker 4: Phoenix New Times. And in this complaint, Chanceley the Shaman says,

870
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: my first, fourth, and Second Amendment rights have been violated.

871
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: I'm suing. Oh, not just Donald Trump, but also the

872
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: Federal Reserve, the NSA, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank,

873
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 4: the Bank of International Settlements, the entire nation of Israel.

874
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: What about the Council and Foreign Relations?

875
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: Dude, he skipped over them. I think that's a separate one.

876
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: I know you missed that one. But T Mobile, Twitter,

877
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 4: T Mobile, DARPA, and Warner Brothers.

878
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: He's amazing.

879
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: Oh he said it's a conspiracy.

880
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a man, it's quite amusing. I would say, yes,

881
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: that's where it's just, that's very amusing.

882
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 4: He also did previously, of course, get pardoned by the

883
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: administration after some some shenanigans in DC back on January sixth,

884
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: the few years ago.

885
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: Uh, and.

886
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 4: He no longer gets gets on with the current president

887
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: of the United States.

888
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: I love.

889
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 4: I love weird literature, man, I think we both do.

890
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 4: So if you're looking for something interesting to read, pull

891
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 4: up the complaint of the QAnon shaman, who per him

892
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: might be the actual president.

893
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: You know what they're doing. You know what QAnon shaman

894
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: is doing. He's reawakening the warrior spirit.

895
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, yeah, yeah, he's big into that head. Speaking

896
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 4: of spirits, we should probably take a break for a

897
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 4: word from our sponsors and get to something that has

898
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: been fascinating and terrifying for a while. Story that we're

899
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 4: gonna call Peter and the Antichrist another Pete, but not

900
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: the way you think. And we have returned sort of

901
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: like an evil supernatural creature and a fairy tale. You know,

902
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: we're the ones coming up late to the party and

903
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 4: saying I have a gift for the child. We have

904
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 4: one more gift for you, folks. It concerns a guy

905
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 4: that a lot of people aren't too familiar with.

906
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 3: You've heard the name.

907
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 4: You might not know too much about him because you're

908
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 4: not as bubbled into conspiracy rabbit holes as we are.

909
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: But there's a guy named Peter Andreas Teal.

910
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 4: He is a co founder of paid Uh, co founder

911
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: of Pallenteer Technologies, Yes, named after the evil magic balls

912
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: in Lord of the Rings. We talked about Vallaunteer more

913
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: and more often. He was the first outside investor in Facebook,

914
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: and he has become so wealthy that no one's really.

915
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: Checking on Pete.

916
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 4: Okay, no one's coming in and saying, hey, man, are

917
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 4: you all right? Do you like need some orange slices

918
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: or doing a nap or something. He has gone on

919
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: what people are calling an Armageddon speaking tour, and it's

920
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: about his obsession with the anti Christ from biblical lore

921
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 4: and how that meshes with technological innovation.

922
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: What yeah, that's what I said too.

923
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: Are we talking about bringing about an Antichrist with technology

924
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: or preventing an Antichrist with technology?

925
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: All right, this is so weird. Okay, we got to

926
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: start at the beginning. This will probably be an episode

927
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 4: in the future. Again, assuming things don't burn down, because yeah,

928
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: this is gonna be a deep exploration.

929
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 3: We can't get all the way into.

930
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 4: The story really starts with a guy named Carl Schmidt.

931
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 4: Carl Schmidt is a German jurist, political theorist. He hates liberalism,

932
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: he hates democracy. He loved Nazis. He's very active in

933
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: the Nazi Party. So years and years ago, like three

934
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: decades gone, now, old Pete is looking for answers, right,

935
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: looking to explain the world around him and how he

936
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: should feel about it and what he should do as

937
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: a result. So he talks to a Austrian theologian. Not

938
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: Carl Schmidt. He talks to an Austrian theologian who's kind.

939
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: Of a piece nick. He likes peace, he likes the

940
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: idea of a world without war. And he says, Pete,

941
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 3: you got to remember there's a lot of crazy thoughts

942
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: out there, and he hips Pete to the theories of

943
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: this other guy, Karl Schmidt, the Nazi, and things kind

944
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: of go wrong.

945
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: Because when Pete learns about Carl Schmidt, it's supposed to

946
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: be a cautionary tale. He doesn't get the message. He

947
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: takes the message and he's like, oh, this is great.

948
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 4: This Carl guy makes total sense. Ok. Yeah, And so

949
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 4: Pete goes on a mission to spread what he sees

950
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 4: as as the gospel of this. He is a devout Christian,

951
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 4: and of course we are huge supporters of anybody's spiritual beliefs.

952
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 4: As long as you're not hurting anybody else or trying

953
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 4: to make them do stuff they don't want to do,

954
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 4: then go with God.

955
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: But he is.

956
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: Pushing his particular the critics will say, he's pushing his

957
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: particular interpretation of Biblical lore into the world. With real

958
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: dangerous consequence is he's invested in all these defense and

959
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 4: weapons technology companies as well, and he's literally traveling around

960
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 4: doing a sold out series of lectures on the Biblical

961
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: Antichrist organized through a group called Acts seventeen Collective, and

962
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 4: Acts itself is an initialism. It stands for acknowledging Christ

963
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 4: and technology and society. The talks are supposed to be

964
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: off the record, but things have leaked just because of

965
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: the tenor and the content of what he's saying. His

966
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: argument is that because the secular world is increasingly concerned

967
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 4: about existential threats, now is the time for the Antichrist

968
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 4: to rise to power, and the Antichrist will rise to

969
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: power by championing regulation of technological progress.

970
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: What.

971
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he said, if we keep all these dumb

972
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 4: regulations and these pesky laws, the Antichrist is.

973
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: On the way. Oh maybe, but it's difficult.

974
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 4: It's difficult to your question there. It took me a

975
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: second to get to it. It's kind of difficult for

976
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 4: me to figure out if he wants that to happen, Like,

977
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 4: does he want an Antichrist?

978
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: Does he not want it?

979
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: He wants to prevent it, That's what I'm getting. At least,

980
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: he wants to prevent the rise of the Antichrist.

981
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 5: I don't know, not to editorialize too much, but just

982
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: to jump in. It's amazing when these people their intentions

983
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 5: are just so transparent.

984
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.

985
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: Think there is some window dressing that he was a little,

986
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: a little Chanzy on. To be honest, you could have

987
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 4: targeted it up a little bit more.

988
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so confused by the prospect of it. And

989
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's just because of maybe again maybe personal thoughts

990
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: on concepts of the Antichrist. My thinking on it, based

991
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: on everything I have read in the past about it,

992
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: is that the Antichrist would be someone that unites everyone

993
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: somehow in this weird way, which makes me think of technology,

994
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: which makes me think of you know, all these rumors

995
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: about six to sixty six and barcodes back in the day,

996
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: and sure concepts of implants that we would all get

997
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: or to some kind of tattoo.

998
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: That would market the beast interpretations.

999
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that all speaks to technological innovation to me.

1000
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: But then he's saying that the Antichrist would be anti innovation,

1001
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: anti technology.

1002
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 4: To hold it back, right, because it's inherently contradictory. Now,

1003
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: I hear you guys on that. The reason I'm saying

1004
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: it's tough to suss out what the ultimate proposed goal

1005
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 4: is is because for a certain demographic of followers of Christianity,

1006
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: the idea of bringing about the end of the world

1007
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: is a goal is aspirational, right, This is why, because

1008
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 4: then you will ultimately have revelations occur, right, the return

1009
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: of the Christ, and then the separation of the real

1010
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 4: good guys and the real bad guys. Heaven comes after

1011
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: a couple of complications. Here's That's why it's always difficult

1012
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 4: to say, you know, what do you think at this

1013
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: moment when I hear these folks talking, so without my

1014
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 4: opinion or anything, Let's give you a direct quote from

1015
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 4: some of Teal's earlier statements. He gives a summary of

1016
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: a sort of mission statement or his thesis, the kind

1017
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 4: of stuff he talks about in these closed door lectures.

1018
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: Which were quite popular.

1019
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 4: By the way, he says, quote, the way the Antichrist

1020
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: would take over the world is you talk about armageddon

1021
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: non stop. You talk about existential risk NonStop. And this

1022
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 4: is what you need to regulate. The thing that has

1023
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 4: political resonance is this. We need to stop science. We

1024
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: need to just say stop to this. And this is

1025
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 4: where in the seventeenth century I can imagine a doctor

1026
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: Strangelove Edward Teller type person take you.

1027
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: Over the world.

1028
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: In our world, it's far more likely to be Greta Thunbern. Yeah,

1029
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: Mike Calves, hurt from that logical leap there at the end.

1030
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: So it seems like he's saying again regulation not letting

1031
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 4: big tech companies do what they want, or asking for

1032
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 4: ethics and AI or making some kind of laws protecting

1033
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 4: resources like water for instance, that that is leading to

1034
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: a totalitarian government which will be run by the enemy

1035
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 4: of Jesus Christ, the anti Christ. Do you see what

1036
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: I'm saying about? How like nobody checks in on this guy?

1037
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

1038
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: Is Pete here saying that it's the current administration, like

1039
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: the current president or somebody in the future, or is

1040
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: he is it one of those things where we can't know,

1041
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: We don't know yet.

1042
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's leaving that part open.

1043
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 4: Okay, except for the except for when he walks way

1044
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 4: down the street to throw shade at Greta Thunberg.

1045
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: Is this the right time to mention that Peter Thiel,

1046
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: along with Steve Bannon and Elon Musk were all mentioned

1047
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: in recent Epstein estate releases.

1048
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 4: This is the perfect time, This is the perfect time,

1049
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: and we oh, man, I'm so jaded now because every

1050
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 4: news story or weird development I learn about that in

1051
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: any way touches the Epstein debacle. I have to fight

1052
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 4: so hard not to dismiss it as a distraction.

1053
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also aren't there further distractions from the

1054
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: Epstein stuff? So it's like something happens distraction with Epstein.

1055
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: Oh now we got to distract from the Epstein files.

1056
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh now we got to distract from this. But it

1057
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: is this endless stream of consciousness, weird stuff that happens

1058
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: and announcements, and I don't know, how can you tell

1059
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: what's a distraction was not when there's so much crap.

1060
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and one person's distraction might be another person's

1061
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: most important development of the day.

1062
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1063
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: We have to realize, you know that everybody's reaction or

1064
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: perspective is going to be unique, but it is also

1065
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: going to be programmable and easily influenced. What I'm seeing

1066
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 4: here and what we'll get into, I think is Petertiel's

1067
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 4: just such a fascinating character and a parable What I'm

1068
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: seeing is an attack on the concept of being a Luddite,

1069
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 4: an attack on the concept of technophobia, we could call it,

1070
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 4: and there is some righteous validity to that, because right now,

1071
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 4: with the state the human world is in, technology is

1072
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: either going to be the thing that saves civilization or

1073
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 4: the thing that absolutely wrecks it, and maybe both at

1074
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: the same time. But the thing is, the way that

1075
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: this guy is arguing in favor of technocracy is still

1076
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 4: folding in some really crazy far afield versions of capitalism

1077
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: like hydro capitalism. Don't stop me, got to do what

1078
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 4: I want.

1079
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he is backing this thing called Plasma one,

1080
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: which is a quote stable coin, native neo bank and

1081
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: card which was just announced where you can use your

1082
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: card in over one hundred and fifty countries at over

1083
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million merchants. It's a new stable coin, Plasma.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a big announcement that's kind of

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Speaker 2: gone under the radar for you know, for my newsfeed

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Speaker 2: at least.

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Speaker 4: I bet you that Chinese con artist we talked about

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Speaker 4: in the beginning already clucked stable coin.

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Speaker 3: I bet she's got eyes on it. Just gotta move

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Speaker 3: the money. Oh.

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Speaker 4: Another anti Christ potential candidate named by Teal is my

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Speaker 4: guy Nick Bostrom.

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Speaker 3: What yeah, he said, maybe.

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Speaker 4: People like this philosopher Nick, the guy who wrote some

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Speaker 4: papers that.

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Speaker 3: We both love simulation theory, right, h yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 3: it's twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Nick got on Pete's bad list, there's antichrist list because

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Speaker 4: he wrote a paper where he said, what if we

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Speaker 4: create an emergency system of global governance, predictive policing, and

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Speaker 4: some restrictions on technology, chiefly the technology we don't fully

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Speaker 4: understand as a civilization.

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Speaker 2: Nick Bostrom said that, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And Nick isn't the only voice in the room there.

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Speaker 4: But to Pete that is some very anti christ vibe

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Speaker 4: stuff or antichrist coded as Noel would say, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh man, I it's weird. I both love

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Speaker 2: and hate that idea of some kind of global.

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Speaker 4: So why I'm too deep into this? Yes, they can

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Speaker 4: be even weirder hanging out with people. I am trying

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 4: to do small talks so hard and so unsuccessfully at

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Speaker 4: this point in time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even realize the Future of Humanity Institute

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Speaker 2: got closed down last year. That's a Nick Corossrooms thing.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I hadn't heard that news. I had to

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: learn that on air. Oh it feels like a bad sign.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't feel great, Matt doesn't feel great because the idea here,

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Speaker 4: then is Pete saying humanity has to avoid technological disaster,

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Speaker 4: whatever shape that might take for you or for him,

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Speaker 4: and at the same time it has to it has

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Speaker 4: to apparently I'm not sure again how to parse this.

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Speaker 4: It has to avoid the rise and reign of the

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Speaker 4: biblical anti Christ. But maybe he wants that to happen,

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Speaker 4: to bring about the end of days. Like what is

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01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 4: his schedule? Like what does he do after lunch?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he spended too much time in that new bunker

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Speaker 2: he's probably built.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's Charlie Day and the board all over

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Speaker 5: it there it is.

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Speaker 4: I think every billionaire, you know, I know, we go

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Speaker 4: we're very ambivalent and internally troubled about regulation as a concept.

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Speaker 4: But I think we should make a law where every

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Speaker 4: billionaire has sort of a Labowski esque sidekick that hangs out.

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01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 4: They're not employed by them, they get their payment from

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Speaker 4: the government or whatever.

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Speaker 3: They're not active in policy.

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Speaker 4: Their job is to be the guy who I don't

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Speaker 4: care if they're smoking cannabis. Their job is to be

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 4: the guy who like has a beer or hits a

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Speaker 4: bong whenever the billionaire is saying something crazy and just

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Speaker 4: diplomatically lets them know they're saying crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. I absolutely love that I.

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Speaker 4: Think it'd be cool because now I pictured now I

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Speaker 4: pictured like a Elon Musk character going up to a

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01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 4: podium and making a speech, and behind him there's a

1148
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: guy with a white Russian be two on the nose.

1149
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: So let's say he's got just like a michelob Ultra.

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Speaker 4: Part Way through the speech, he just goes and he

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 4: takes a simp and he's like, Elion, you're crazy for

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 4: this one, Doug.

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: And he does it by the podium. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just like it in the living room or wherever.

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01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: The billionaire is just hanging out, you know, having their

1156
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: thoughts and they just say some of those thoughts out

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: loud and purposefully. That other person just goes, what are

1158
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: you talking about? Man? That's not that's not how that goes.

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Speaker 4: Or just are you okay? Do you want to like

1160
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 4: go hang out at the planetarium or something? Which the

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 4: planetarium is awesome. If you have a planetarium in your

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 4: neck of the Global Woods, you should you should go

1163
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 4: while it's still open, depending on how it gets funded. Also,

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: in one of these speeches that we saw, there's an

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Speaker 4: excellent long breed from the Big Story over it wired

1166
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 4: about this. Please check it out the real steaks and

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 4: real story Teal's Antichrist obsession. This is excellent work by

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: Laura Bullard and one of my favorite quotes coming from

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 4: the articles a description of the aftermath of his keynote speech.

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Speaker 3: Quote. When Teal was finished, a moderator kicked off the

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Speaker 3: QA session by noting in so many words that this

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01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: speech had been a huge bummer. If the world is

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01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: hurdling toward an apocalyptic crisis, he asked, what might this

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01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 3: billionaire suggest we do? End quote. Apparently, Teal said.

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Speaker 4: I'm not really in the business of offering practical advice.

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Speaker 2: Oh, which is.

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Speaker 3: A weird thing to throw at the end.

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: Just the messenger just divinely inspired.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I'm just you know, vibing out here, guys,

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 4: and everybody I've met has told me my ideas are awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know, billionaires are not immune to that thing that's

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: been happening with chat bought interactions.

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you.

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01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: I do wonder if there could be something else going

1185
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: on there where, you know, having conversation or two goes

1186
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: a little too deep and oh you've got to tell

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01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: the world, Peter. Yeah, that's a great idea. Here's an

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: action plan.

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Speaker 3: What I love about this is how right you are.

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Speaker 4: The issue there, I think is I mean, it's common

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01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 4: we will say that just because we have serious questions

1192
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 4: and fascination and confusion about this guy's stances or his statements,

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean he's not intelligent, right, Incredibly intelligent people

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 4: say incredibly crazy stuff constantly. Yeah.

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01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: Well, often intelligence is associated very closely with what would

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01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: be considered insanity, right, I mean, and that's just that's

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: how it's always been. Because when you know enough things,

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: or you make connections at a high enough level, then

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Speaker 2: you're probably not just okay with how things are going,

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: no matter where you are, no matter when, it is

1201
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: probably not cool with everything, and it might make you

1202
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 2: seem a little whack of dude to everybody else. That

1203
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: makes sense. I get that. Yeah, But also this is

1204
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: even so this is out there for me.

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just you need a guy. I don't know,

1206
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if it's a beer or a drug

1207
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 4: or something. I feel like it should be some kind

1208
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 4: of snack, like some kind of prop in your hand,

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, like a guy who just opens a bag

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01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 4: of those little bs bags of sonships that you get

1211
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 4: a loud Yeah, he opens those and he's just like, Pete, man,

1212
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 4: you're crazy. You're crazy that he offers him some sonships,

1213
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 4: so it doesn't sting is bad. One more Pete quote.

1214
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 4: He was three years after the events of September eleventh.

1215
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 4: He went to speak at a conference with the theme

1216
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 4: being politics in the Apocalypse, and he said the following quote,

1217
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 4: The brute facts of September eleventh demand a re examination

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 4: of the foundations of modern Paula pics ding Ding Ding, Well,

1219
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 4: do get easter egg there? And he says, today mere

1220
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 4: self preservation forces all of us to look at the

1221
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: world anew, to think strange new thoughts, and thereby to

1222
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 4: awaken from that very long and profitable period of intellectual

1223
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 4: slumber and amnesia that is so misleadingly called the Enlightenment.

1224
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 4: So wait, you're mad at the.

1225
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 3: Enlightenment, Peter, you're crazy? Man, Dylan, you would be perfect

1226
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: for the new job.

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Speaker 5: I bet the snack budget would be huge. Can I

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 5: recommend one thing that listeners look up if they're interested

1229
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,480
Speaker 5: in the Antichrist more? Yeah, it's the concept of praetorism

1230
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: and Emperor Nero and that it's already happened.

1231
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Speaker 4: Ah, Okay, because we've seen multiple people be accused of

1232
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: being the Antichrist of multiple times.

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and there's like a there's there are Christians

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 5: who believe it has come to pass already.

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Speaker 2: Amazing that part.

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Tennessee.

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: And I want to add one more thing too, just

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: because we hit nine to eleven there, and maybe think

1239
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 2: about Saudi Arabia and maybe think about electronic arts that's

1240
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: being purchased in part by the Saudi Arabian Sovereign Fund

1241
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: that we discussed before on the show. So that's kind

1242
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: of fun.

1243
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 4: Shout out Jay Kush Boy's wild for that one. He

1244
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 4: needs a psidekick, a snacks a snack kick too, we'll

1245
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 4: call him stack kicks. You get after a certain amount

1246
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: of money and power, you get assigned a snack kick

1247
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: and they hang out the snack budgets wild, but it's

1248
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: an investment in the future.

1249
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: He also says stuff that is strident and opinionated. And

1250
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with opinions or with disagreeing with people,

1251
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: but it is troubling to hear somebody at his level

1252
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 3: of power say things like quote, a direct path forward

1253
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 3: technological progress is prevented by America's constitutional machinery. We should

1254
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 3: have a worldwide surveillance network instead of the United Nations

1255
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: fil with interminable and inconclusive parliamentary debates that resemble Shakespearean

1256
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,919
Speaker 3: tales told by idiots. Instead, we should consider the secret

1257
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 3: coordination of all the world's intelligence services as the decisive

1258
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: path to a truly global pox Americana. What I come on, man,

1259
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: it's He also says this super organism of surveillance could

1260
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: act as quote, a political framework that operates outside the

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,480
Speaker 3: checks and balances of representative democracy.

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 4: So he's company. He's like, the Antichrist is real. Forget democracy,

1263
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 4: it's bs. The enlightenment is whack. I hate Greta Thunberg.

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01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 4: I hope he starts the speech with First off, that's

1265
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 4: the best way to start a wild rant.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a similar shared version that we've been

1267
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 2: hearing about folks who are up at the upper echelons

1268
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 2: of some of this AI bubble that's happening right now,

1269
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: and people who truly really want to become more than human,

1270
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: like personally want chack and believe that is our destiny,

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01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: and believe that that's the way what we should all want,

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 2: and that is that's pretty scary to me, man.

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,959
Speaker 4: I yeah, I think it should be pretty frightening to everyone,

1274
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,440
Speaker 4: which is why we are going to do an episode

1275
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 4: on this in the future. Folks who are running along

1276
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 4: because there was so much to get to. We hope

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 4: this program finds you well. We hope you're having grand adventures.

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for tuning in, thanks to our

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 4: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan, and let us

1280
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 4: know your thoughts. Find us online and give us a call.

1281
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 4: Find us on an email.

1282
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

1283
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: three std WYTK. It's a voicemail. When you call in,

1284
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: give yourself a cool nickname and let us know if

1285
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on the air.

1286
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: Here's a quick quote from Jared Kushner's CEO of Infinity Partners,

1287
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: who is jointly acquiring EA.

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01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: Quote.

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: I've admired EA's ability to create iconic, lasting experiences, and

1290
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: as someone who grew up playing their games and now

1291
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,440
Speaker 2: enjoys them with his kids, I couldn't be more excited

1292
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: about what's ahead. Hey, you want to send us an email,

1293
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: you can do that.

1294
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence.

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: We receive.

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Speaker 4: Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void writes back.

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Speaker 4: If you want to learn more about what's called game

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Speaker 4: the recent episode of The Daily Zeitgeist where Jack and

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Speaker 4: Miles dive deep into the story, and also check out

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Speaker 4: our earlier episode on live golf and the concept of

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Speaker 4: sportswashing conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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