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Speaker 4: in Frisco, Texas. Welcome, Welcome everybody. It is a Talking Tuesday. Basically,
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Speaker 5: I was like, I always have to wait for the
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Speaker 2: You don't have to turn?
Speaker 4: No, I don't not really, Yeah, you never got to turn.
Speaker 2: Man, it's a thing for us. I like this.
Speaker 6: I like, actually, you know, talking to other people, I
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Speaker 4: So you don't want to bring Rob he can have
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Speaker 4: Rob Phillips, No, Robin Vegas, Rob Vegas he said one
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Speaker 5: Well, whenever you say Rob, my brain is all going
Speaker 5: to Rob. Yeah, that's that's King. Oh, Rob from Vegas.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have some things to say tomorrow.
Speaker 6: No, yeah really yeah you think so, Yeah, we'll see,
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Speaker 2: You know, he's got If.
Speaker 5: You have Rob from Vegas here, you'd have to like
Speaker 5: keep the censor button like right, yeah, just over your fingers.
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Speaker 8: Well we're gonna be ready for tomorrow on that like that.
Speaker 8: But anyways, that's that's for Tomorrow's.
Speaker 4: That's for tomorrow, guys. Obviously, we had the of course
Speaker 4: new head coach Brian Schottenheimer, that was announced. We had
Speaker 4: the productory press conference yesterday. But I kind of want
Speaker 4: to bury the lead here. Obviously that happened, we have
Speaker 4: the press conference to talk about, but I kind of
Speaker 4: want to walk through what the last week has looked
Speaker 4: like for you guys, obviously as staff riders of Dallas
Speaker 4: covers dot com. Obviously it's the editor for Dallas Cobies
Speaker 4: dot Com. I kind of want to walk through the
Speaker 4: timeline and basically get a sense of what to last
Speaker 4: week look like leading up to this decision.
Speaker 8: Well, I'll say this, it looks it's it's it starts
Speaker 8: early and it ends late, so you know, you're not.
Speaker 8: Just because you're not at your desk working doesn't mean
Speaker 8: you're not working and grinding. And if you know, you know,
Speaker 8: our guys worked hard. Our guys worked hard and trying
Speaker 8: to chase this thing down. I know, Patrick's a big
Speaker 8: part of it. I get more text messages from Patrick, Tommy,
Speaker 8: you know, you you know, as far as things that
Speaker 8: we see and all that, And that's that's the thing.
Speaker 8: Off season to me is so much harder than the
Speaker 8: regular season because the regular season is like, all right,
Speaker 8: you know exactly what's coming. There's gonna be press conference tomorrow,
Speaker 8: there's gonna be locker room, you get that. But this
Speaker 8: is like maybe there's something, maybe there's not. You're kind
Speaker 8: of your head's always on the switch.
Speaker 4: There are more things important than a clock.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: That, I mean, it's just facts.
Speaker 8: That and that is true. That was a good answer
Speaker 8: because that I don't know if I love the question,
Speaker 8: but you know, I mean just because it was like
Speaker 8: there's no timeline on things like that. And that's that's
Speaker 8: the thing about the off season. You're just you don't
Speaker 8: know when things are happening, but you just always have
Speaker 8: to stay ready. And I think you know, so I'm
Speaker 8: talking about the process, Park Patrick, you talk about the
Speaker 8: actual his actual question of like how things developed, how
Speaker 8: we got here.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean it was unexpected.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, it was unexpected, wildly unexpected. And had him
Speaker 5: on the list, Yeah yeah, I did have them on
Speaker 5: the list of twenty candidates, and I know some kind
Speaker 5: of looked at that and said, you know, no, no shot,
Speaker 5: even though I didn't list him as a front runner
Speaker 5: as far as internally, internally, I listed Mike Zimmer as
Speaker 5: the front runner. But then with that being said, I said,
Speaker 5: it's up to Zim to decide that he wants to
Speaker 5: continue coaching. And right now, as we have the conversation,
Speaker 5: the expectation is that Zimmer is going to probably retire
Speaker 5: from the NFL. But that being said, he won't be
Speaker 5: back as DC because we expect Matt Eberfluss will reunite
Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, and that news could drop at any moment.
Speaker 5: To your point, it could come out of the left field,
Speaker 5: right field, center field. But the process was I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously it led with the informal conversations with Dion and
Speaker 5: then of course, unfortunately that colored the remainder of the
Speaker 5: search because everyone then was expecting the hoping the Dion
Speaker 5: thing would would be a thing. But as we sat
Speaker 5: here on this panel and said, it was never really
Speaker 5: a thing, right. There was some interest there, but it
Speaker 5: didn't have enough traction to make sense. That's why there
Speaker 5: was no formal interview. So then they move on from that.
Speaker 5: For the most part, you get Leslie Fraser in here,
Speaker 5: Robert Sala, Kellen Moore, and everybody was panicking because they
Speaker 5: thought Kellen Moore would be returning. They have questions about
Speaker 5: is he a leader of men and things like that.
Speaker 5: So spent the entirety of the weekend after Kellen Moore's
Speaker 5: virtual interview basically watching Twitter coordinate Kellen Moore as the
Speaker 5: head coach and then what have On Monday, out of
Speaker 5: the darkness comes that horse, Brian Schottenheimer, and basically they
Speaker 5: never really looked back from there. Pete Carroll had a
Speaker 5: very real chance, but they couldn't agree to terms, and
Speaker 5: so here we are. So it's a definitely a roller
Speaker 5: coaster there, and then you talk about the assistant coach
Speaker 5: is starting to leave. Robert Prince Bones fossil Al Harris,
Speaker 5: who I spoke with and he told me that you know,
Speaker 5: he's agreed to terms with the Chicago Bears. So and
Speaker 5: this is just the beginning. We're not done. They have
Speaker 5: an entire staff to build around him now. So tight
Speaker 5: ends coach is Lundawell is going to be back in
Speaker 5: the building hopefully, So offensive line coach clipped to the
Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball. Assuming Matt eber Flus is in,
Speaker 5: who's he putting this linebacker's culture? Is he going to
Speaker 5: try to handle that particular task because he's done it before, right,
Speaker 5: So Scott Tozine reporter Scott Tozen is out reported least
Speaker 5: choosing to not return. So to Nick Eaman's point, man,
Speaker 5: there's so much that makes it more difficult this offseason
Speaker 5: because we don't have guaranteed access. So we Nick myself, Tommy, Josh,
Speaker 5: we have to track down this information. It's not coming
Speaker 5: to us like on a Wednesday in a press conference,
Speaker 5: on a Thursday in the locker room. We gotta make
Speaker 5: you go find that. Yeah, so we're still working in
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. They crossed the first finish line and choosing
Speaker 5: the head coach, but there are several more finish lines
Speaker 5: that need to be crossed.
Speaker 4: Selfishly, is there a sense of relief now that we
Speaker 4: have a head coach.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean selfishly is a good is a good answer.
Speaker 8: It's a good word because I get asked a lot,
Speaker 8: like during the season, you know, the last few games
Speaker 8: of the year, do you want a new coach you
Speaker 8: think McCarthy should come back? Selfishly, I hate coaching searches
Speaker 8: for everything that Patrick just said, I don't like them.
Speaker 8: Now are they necessary in this case?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Probably, And it seems like it seems like it was
Speaker 8: so because it's it's it's tough to deal with because
Speaker 8: everybody now with the media has got it, you know,
Speaker 8: source here, this has happened.
Speaker 4: You know, I heard several different onesers like oh it's done, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Shill is done. You know, it was several different names
Speaker 4: that it's like okay, and then you're starting to cope
Speaker 4: with that ye throughout the day, and then two hours
Speaker 4: later you hear another thing. So at that point you
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 8: I did include you when I said Patrick and Tommy,
Speaker 8: I didn't, y, Yeah, because if I if I remember correctly,
Speaker 8: I think Josh actually told me the news. I'll just
Speaker 8: leave it at that. It's happening.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, I kind of have a
Speaker 4: source here and there. But yeah, the tiny But like
Speaker 4: I said, the news was kind of changing each and
Speaker 4: every day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we were.
Speaker 4: And as a fan, first me, I had to kind
Speaker 4: of cope with decisions that I didn't necessarily love right
Speaker 4: off of that. But now we're here, Now we have
Speaker 4: the name picked. It's official. We had the introductory press
Speaker 4: conference yesterday, which I want to get into. Obviously it happened.
Speaker 4: It happened on a of course. It was late Friday
Speaker 4: night when we got to announce it, and now Monday
Speaker 4: morning when we have the press conference, big deal. Obviously
Speaker 4: a lot of people in the the upstairs, the big,
Speaker 4: big hall. As he said, what was the I'm mature
Speaker 4: in the room before the press conference versus after, Well,
Speaker 4: I know what you're seventy.
Speaker 6: Well it actually wasn't. It was more like eighty five.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: The sunlight, we needed curtains and that place up there,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, he said.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm going to say he's getting hot.
Speaker 8: But anyway, now I know what you're saying and we're
Speaker 8: jacking around here. I guess this is what would give
Speaker 8: is talking about love it. Yeah, let's go now, he
Speaker 8: if you could win a press conference.
Speaker 2: He won it.
Speaker 8: Okay, if that's possible, that's not the wins that he
Speaker 8: that has to happen here. I understand that. But but
Speaker 8: he did a really good job. I you know, the
Speaker 8: whole leader of men can I think, well, we already
Speaker 8: know that. I mean, we already saw the guys coming up,
Speaker 8: you know, and and and Dak is the leader of that.
Speaker 8: A lot of guys too, a lot of coaches as well,
Speaker 8: coaches that have already been signed, some coaches probably still
Speaker 8: looking for jobs.
Speaker 6: You know. Some of that could be like I'm here
Speaker 6: for grats.
Speaker 8: But but and still though, I just think he's got
Speaker 8: people's respect, especially the players, and I think he got
Speaker 8: a lot of the media's respect to it.
Speaker 6: And it sounds like some of the fans too. Hey,
Speaker 6: all sounds.
Speaker 8: Good until you lose a game or you see what
Speaker 8: happens and you lose the fourth quarter, and you know,
Speaker 8: and you make a bad decision, and then then the
Speaker 8: bullets will be flying. But as it stands right now,
Speaker 8: I thought he did as good as he could do
Speaker 8: to change some perception.
Speaker 5: I agree with that because a lot of fans that
Speaker 5: I'm speaking with and they're reaching out to me social media.
Speaker 5: I'm getting a common thread in that they did not
Speaker 5: realize how impressed they would be with Schottenheimer as far
Speaker 5: as his ability to speak and his ability to go
Speaker 5: the extra mileth So, for example, take the question that
Speaker 5: I posed to him. That was not an easy question.
Speaker 5: I was basically asking him straightforward. I was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: how are you going to modernize this offense? What is
Speaker 5: tell us what this looks like? He not only answered,
Speaker 5: But then what impress me even more was when he
Speaker 5: had provided a sufficient answer for me, but then said,
Speaker 5: let me explain more. Yes, by all means do so.
Speaker 5: This is a very high football like you guy, right
Speaker 5: he's born and bred in football, talk about his dad
Speaker 5: and his just family, the Schottenheimer's. But as much as
Speaker 5: we have rightful concerns that we talked about on the
Speaker 5: podcast yesterday, the fact that this is his first NFL
Speaker 5: head coaching job, the fact that we don't know what
Speaker 5: Schottenheimer's offense looks like because he wasn't the one calling plays,
Speaker 5: and we'll get to those concerns. But as far as
Speaker 5: winning the press conference, I believe he absolutely did that.
Speaker 5: He's won a lot of fans over just this me
Speaker 5: looking at the fandom and the temperature warmed up to him.
Speaker 5: As far as the fans are concerned, Leader of men
Speaker 5: was never a question and definitely solidarity there. You see
Speaker 5: brock Hoffman, de Marveion over shown, you see Dak Prescott,
Speaker 5: you see the entirety of the strength and conditioning staff.
Speaker 5: You see coaches that are not even under contracts sitting
Speaker 5: there just showing the solidarity.
Speaker 8: Would like, I was curious on what you thought about
Speaker 8: Shottenheimer as well.
Speaker 4: I was, this is something that's been brought a lot
Speaker 4: on Cowboys storyline, and as a fan, I listen all
Speaker 4: the time, and you're right about a lot of things,
Speaker 4: about quite a lot of things. But one of the
Speaker 4: things that kind of always pops up for me is
Speaker 4: like the interest is always going to be there. If
Speaker 4: you're you know, a fan, you know you're going to
Speaker 4: get upset when we don't make it to the super
Speaker 4: Bowl and that cycle is going to start repeating. It's
Speaker 4: it's I mean, at this point, it's it is a
Speaker 4: thirty year drought. There is kind of an abusive relationship
Speaker 4: going on with being with loving the Cowboys, but I mean, seriously,
Speaker 4: you know it's toxic toxic. And then when we come
Speaker 4: back around to training camp, I think you're going to
Speaker 4: get a lot of people that are excited again. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're going to see a lot of the changes that
Speaker 4: are made, hopefully in free agency and the draft, because
Speaker 4: you know, we always that there are always draft picks
Speaker 4: that you can be excited about when it comes to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys because you have Will mclan in charge in
Speaker 4: that respect.
Speaker 8: That's a good point, and I feel like you need
Speaker 8: to build from the inside out, you know. I think
Speaker 8: that the Zach Martin pick was such a great pick,
Speaker 8: and that you can get another pick like that at twelve,
Speaker 8: get a guard tackle that's gonna be great. But the
Speaker 8: excitement from ox Star if you get Ashtroon genty or
Speaker 8: or a boom a player or even Missouri receiver, which
Speaker 8: I'm not a huge fan of.
Speaker 4: At that spot, but playmakers, playmaker and difference makers and
Speaker 4: more building blocks. Because you saw the building blocks there yesterday.
Speaker 4: Those at the press conference. You saw the guys that
Speaker 4: are going to be here for a long time, that
Speaker 4: are going to be able to build this team around
Speaker 4: you that you want. Right as far as what he said,
Speaker 4: I was very impressed. I liked what he said, and
Speaker 4: I guess kind of what gets caught up in a
Speaker 4: coaching search like this where you have a lot of
Speaker 4: I mean, you had big name coordinators out there that
Speaker 4: were taking that next step and becoming head coaches. That's like, okay,
Speaker 4: I wish we would interview this guy. I wish we'd
Speaker 4: interview this guy. And a lot of that is caught
Speaker 4: up in x's and o's, whereas Schottenheimer was very clear
Speaker 4: to be like, it's you know, the x's and o's
Speaker 4: will come. It is about being a leader of men,
Speaker 4: and it is about commanding. His opening statement very much
Speaker 4: said that and talking about his legacy as well. I
Speaker 4: mean I had a quote here. I mean, of course,
Speaker 4: he goes, I'm ready now, I know what, I know
Speaker 4: what I want, I know what it looks like. He
Speaker 4: also says I'm gonna get a chance to do what
Speaker 4: my daddy didn't get, which was a super Bowl. If
Speaker 4: it kills me, things like that, I think are going
Speaker 4: to flip a switch for certain fans, because if you
Speaker 4: hear something like that and you can relate to that
Speaker 4: at all, it's it's romanticized.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he seems like.
Speaker 8: Jason Garrett, but less robotic and more like a person.
Speaker 6: No because Jason Garrett.
Speaker 2: No, I say that from a fan person.
Speaker 8: But Jason, I heard the collector say, Garrett, Hey, he's
Speaker 8: a leader of men. He can stand up in front
Speaker 8: of the room. You ever heard him stand up in
Speaker 8: front of the team and talk to the team like
Speaker 8: like he he can do that.
Speaker 2: He can do that.
Speaker 4: I don't know that that. The x's and o's were
Speaker 4: quite there for Jason Garrett. But I know what you're
Speaker 4: saying as about instilling a culture, right, I.
Speaker 8: Think you could go and and we we saw he
Speaker 8: walked by us the other day and yesterday and you know,
Speaker 8: sugar sugar hands talk to us a little bit. I
Speaker 8: think he I think you introduced yourself one time. I
Speaker 8: think he knows your name. I mean, I think I
Speaker 8: think that's kind of the way he is, and that
Speaker 8: that is that.
Speaker 4: Is Oh you've heard that multiple times people person Yeah
Speaker 4: when it comes.
Speaker 8: To but but but it's gotta it's got to lead
Speaker 8: to that. And you know, there were some there were
Speaker 8: some really interesting things about his personality that I kind
Speaker 8: of saw that I just I just liked it.
Speaker 5: Well, there are two parts of this. First part is
Speaker 5: saying the right things.
Speaker 2: Check.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's done that. Now it's doing the right things.
Speaker 5: So and it's like I said on the podcast yesterday,
Speaker 5: I'd loved nearly everything he said in that press conference yesterday.
Speaker 5: Now it's show me, show me, show me the your
Speaker 5: love for pre snap motion, as you said, because now
Speaker 5: I want to hold you accountable to it.
Speaker 2: You said it.
Speaker 5: Now we're all gonna hold you accountable pre snap motion
Speaker 5: cut splits and things like that. Not establishing the run
Speaker 5: for the sake of saying you established the run, but
Speaker 5: establishing the run so that you can play off of
Speaker 5: it with the play action.
Speaker 2: For Dak Prescott, we.
Speaker 4: Are making those plays look the same.
Speaker 2: So credit to him, right.
Speaker 5: Credit to him for being transparent and putting that out
Speaker 5: there knowing full well that now you're going to be
Speaker 5: held accountable for that.
Speaker 2: And that the first part.
Speaker 5: The fact that he was being transparent and communicative with that, Now,
Speaker 5: that should give you some type of optimism because he's
Speaker 5: not ducking dodge and he's not giving you these prepackaged answers.
Speaker 5: He's saying, this is how I want the offense to go. Great, wonderful.
Speaker 5: Now when training camp gets here, part two is let
Speaker 5: me see if.
Speaker 6: You prove this.
Speaker 4: All right, boys, let's take our very first break. When
Speaker 4: we come back, we need to talk about some of
Speaker 4: the comments made by Jerry Steven in the press conference
Speaker 4: as well, and some of the hard hitting questions that
Speaker 4: they received as well. So when we come back on
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry the way you opened that up. I thought
Speaker 6: I saw you lowly down.
Speaker 8: I thought Grave Digger was about to take a big
Speaker 8: Foot three at the stadium.
Speaker 4: And if you didn't notice, I'm not Kyle Yeomans. Kyle
Speaker 4: Yomens is I know as.
Speaker 5: It's top of the artist, which is why he's not here.
Speaker 4: I mean we kind of, I mean he stole the
Speaker 4: beard from me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys have the same hair, so that's true.
Speaker 6: I don't know. No, he's guys should beat three nothing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got he's got dogs.
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Speaker 2: Okay with it.
Speaker 8: You're you're winning that you always and.
Speaker 2: Sleep Yeah, rub I.
Speaker 6: Don't know they did.
Speaker 8: They did a six o'clock, uh, six o'clock press carver
Speaker 8: or six o'clock. I think it was some kind of
Speaker 8: podcast and mobile six o'clock. You're getting players down there.
Speaker 5: They're working. Oh yeah, Oh, they're always working. We work, folks.
Speaker 5: You don't see us.
Speaker 4: Ducking out of the office a little early. Guess what,
Speaker 4: buddy on this thing. We're taking this with me. That's
Speaker 4: why it works. Works mind your bill, all right, but yeah,
Speaker 4: Tommy's over there too.
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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, so we need to talk about comments
Speaker 4: me from Jerry Steven.
Speaker 6: Patrick.
Speaker 4: I liked it, man. I like the heart hitting questions.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like you're a journalist or something. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know, unqualified, tell us the questions
Speaker 4: that you asked, and tell us what the responses were
Speaker 4: and how you perceived their responses, because of course there's
Speaker 4: going to be a lot of work around when you
Speaker 4: ask direct questions like you did, I want to know
Speaker 4: your interpretation of those.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: First, when you're going into an augurial press conference for
Speaker 5: a head coach like that and you have so many
Speaker 5: people waiting to ask the questions, you're going to get
Speaker 5: the expected questions, which would be you know, how do
Speaker 5: you feel? What did you feel when you first got
Speaker 5: the news, and things like that, and those are rightful
Speaker 5: and justifiable questions that you need answers to. You want
Speaker 5: to get his mindset going into a big gig like this,
Speaker 5: But I really wanted to take that opportunity to kind
Speaker 5: of dive into the minutia of it.
Speaker 2: So with Schottenheimer, good word, thank you.
Speaker 5: With Schottenheimer, I wanted to get past the superficial part
Speaker 5: of Okay, well the offense is going to look different, Okay,
Speaker 5: what does that mean? So I asked him about the
Speaker 5: modernization of the offense, what does that look like under
Speaker 5: a Schottenheimer era? And feeding off of some things that
Speaker 5: Jerry and Stephen had said. Steven said something that really
Speaker 5: stuck out to me when he said the offense needs to.
Speaker 2: Solve for the quarterback.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, what does that mean in regards to Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott's skill set? We know as analysts that Dak excels
Speaker 5: at play action in order to have play action work.
Speaker 5: What does that mean for you as the play caller
Speaker 5: going into this year? So I love what he said
Speaker 5: about cut splits and pre snap motion. And one thing
Speaker 5: about McCarthy. I will give McCarthy credit in that, over
Speaker 5: the course of his five year tenure here he evolved
Speaker 5: to do more motion, but it became inconsistent. So even
Speaker 5: after in games where it would work, he'd have sixty
Speaker 5: percent pre snap motion and they would blow the doors
Speaker 5: off of someone. The next game it would kind of
Speaker 5: dip down, and then you'd find that there was a
Speaker 5: correlation in them struggling sounds like with the whole Jerry
Speaker 5: saying Schottenheimer quote unquote air quotes bit his lip several
Speaker 5: times during the McCarthy era, which is no shade to McCarthy,
Speaker 5: it's just basically saying there was a difference in philosophy there.
Speaker 5: I wanted to hear what Shottenheimer's answer was, and again
Speaker 5: I loved what he said. It was succinct, it was clear,
Speaker 5: it was transparent, and it did not provide any fluff.
Speaker 5: He basically looked us in the eyes without giving his
Speaker 5: whole playbook away, and said, this is what you can
Speaker 5: expect going forward.
Speaker 2: Wonderful.
Speaker 5: Second question was about free agency, roster building, cap manipulation,
Speaker 5: and management. Question direction, which is yeah, question directed towards
Speaker 5: both Jerry and Steven. When you look at a team
Speaker 5: like the Philadelphia Eagles, who have operated a certain way
Speaker 5: in free agency and never used the cap as an excuse,
Speaker 5: and now they're back in the super Bowl, we consistently
Speaker 5: hear that the.
Speaker 2: Bill's gonna come.
Speaker 5: Do not to say that it won't, but certain teams
Speaker 5: like the Eagles, the Rams, they continually find a way
Speaker 5: to keep the bill from coming. To What can you
Speaker 5: take away from your opponents, Because looking in the mirror
Speaker 5: only gets you so far. The art of war dictates
Speaker 5: that you also have to look at the other military
Speaker 5: generals and say, that's what they're using against us. I'm
Speaker 5: going to turn that around, as sons Su said, As
Speaker 5: Sons Su said, and use that against them I love
Speaker 5: what Stephen. The majority of Steven's answer I loved because
Speaker 5: he took full accountability in saying, yes, we can do better.
Speaker 5: We do look at teams like the Eagles, the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers, the Rams, we do try to take some
Speaker 5: of their practices again, said the right things. We'll see
Speaker 5: if that translates in this year's free agency. Jerry was Jerry,
Speaker 5: and that's yeah.
Speaker 4: The stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Jerry had the stories.
Speaker 5: And nothing Jerry said surprised me because Jerry is always
Speaker 5: going to give you the Jerry answer. So for that,
Speaker 5: that's the best way I can describe that. I wasn't
Speaker 5: disappointed or excited. I was neither of those things. It
Speaker 5: was exactly what I expected Jerry to tell me. But
Speaker 5: from what Steven told me, I saw glimmer of hope.
Speaker 5: I saw a glimmer of hope. And as far as
Speaker 5: what Shoty told me, as far as the play calling
Speaker 5: and what they might look like, I really got optimistic
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 2: So again, now just show me. You know.
Speaker 8: I was a little surprised, but Jerry calling him a
Speaker 8: risk like twenty.
Speaker 2: Three times big risk, Yeah risk, biggest risk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a huge risk. He's right here, he's a
Speaker 5: huge risk. He was treating him like the five year
Speaker 5: old Bronco. He's the Bronco. I can't have it all.
Speaker 2: So we got.
Speaker 6: Jerry. No, I mean I was.
Speaker 8: I was impressed with, you know, the way that Shottenheimer
Speaker 8: handled himself, and then with you know, it was an
Speaker 8: emotional press conference, and then Jerry got emotional too a
Speaker 8: little bit, just you know, because you start talking about
Speaker 8: family with Jerry, whether it's real life, whether it's on
Speaker 8: a TV show, you know, the Landman or whatever, and
Speaker 8: even if it's someone else's family, because you can relate.
Speaker 8: You know, he called his mama, he said that, you know,
Speaker 8: he called his mama, and so he understands that stuff.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot to take from. When they talked
Speaker 8: about deference to and I said this on the radio
Speaker 8: this morning, they asked about McCarthy and Schotenheimer working together
Speaker 8: and how much difference there was. I'm like the fact
Speaker 8: that they hired Schottenheimer is proof enough that there were
Speaker 8: some changes.
Speaker 6: Because usually look at this offense and be like.
Speaker 8: All right, we got it. We got to move on here.
Speaker 8: We got to move on play caller, offensive coordinator, we
Speaker 8: got to make changes.
Speaker 6: But the fact that they said.
Speaker 8: All right, Mike, we're gonna move on, but we're gonna
Speaker 8: we're gonna keep Schottenheimer. Yeah, that makes me think there
Speaker 8: were a lot of biting, a lot of that going on,
Speaker 8: and so that they just they just see things very
Speaker 8: differently and let's let's hope so because you know, this
Speaker 8: team wasn't prepared at all. I mean, they don't score
Speaker 8: coming out of the game. I've said that a million times.
Speaker 8: They don't just come out and score. What are they
Speaker 8: doing all week long? What are you doing all week?
Speaker 8: You should have your fifteenth plays scripted.
Speaker 6: Worried out punt.
Speaker 4: One of the more frustrating things whenever McCarthy would have
Speaker 4: a press conference after the game and talk about how, yeah,
Speaker 4: I wish we'd have leaned on the run a little
Speaker 4: more at a certain dude, you're calling the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know right that I never understood that is
Speaker 5: is that sounds a whole lot like I got to
Speaker 5: get like the previous play caller who Mike McCarthy stood
Speaker 5: on the podium and Basic Lee lambasted into the bus
Speaker 5: a little bit after the lost to the Green Bay
Speaker 5: Packers and Aaron Rodgers killing got dragged that's indirectly Jackson.
Speaker 2: He said, you got it, you got it to run
Speaker 2: the ball right.
Speaker 5: Fast forward to last year, and now it was was like,
Speaker 5: oh oh, oh interesting.
Speaker 8: I mean the irony here for Mike's is going to
Speaker 8: be very interesting when you think of the last three
Speaker 8: years where your defensive coordinator here and your offensive coordinator
Speaker 8: you know, is over here playing in the championships game
Speaker 8: game together.
Speaker 6: One's a head coach.
Speaker 8: Kellen Moore is probably going to be the head coach
Speaker 8: in New Orleans, I would think, and then here, and
Speaker 8: then then your your next offensive corner who you didn't
Speaker 8: even want to call plays is now calling the plays,
Speaker 8: and he is the head coach in your job and
Speaker 8: you don't.
Speaker 2: Have a job.
Speaker 5: But also to add to that that little twist, assuming
Speaker 5: killing Moore is that means he will have beaten out
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't Yeah, I don't think Mike's getting
Speaker 6: that job in New Orleans.
Speaker 8: And you don't get one this year, you know fund
Speaker 8: next year.
Speaker 2: You think.
Speaker 5: I say that because and you've you've covered the NFL
Speaker 5: long enough to know that time makes people forget the
Speaker 5: worst things, right, So if he sits out a year,
Speaker 5: when the next cycle comes around number one, he might
Speaker 5: have a better opportunity than some of the ones that
Speaker 5: are out there right now. But also a lot of
Speaker 5: these gms and owners, they're going to forget the skin
Speaker 5: of a seven and ten and they're going to remember that,
Speaker 5: you know, thirty six and fifteen that seeded it. So
Speaker 5: the year that year off, if it's to happen, I
Speaker 5: don't think it will hurt.
Speaker 8: Him at I all think in college. I don't think
Speaker 8: the college route would be too bad for him.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 8: The way that NIL is now and the way you're
Speaker 8: managing money and you're managing these egos and agents and
Speaker 8: all that stuff. It's a lot more pro style than
Speaker 8: it ever used to be. I think, you know, that
Speaker 8: would be a miss. I can be a Big ten school.
Speaker 8: I don't know one specifically, just just something where you
Speaker 8: know a good quality program looking at it, you know,
Speaker 8: looking to kind of make a mark and say, well,
Speaker 8: that's a super Bowl winning coach he's coaching that's Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Look, no, no, we have that guy. Okay, you got
Speaker 2: your guy.
Speaker 6: They're about the same. We got that guy.
Speaker 8: So no, no, that's not what I was talking about.
Speaker 8: You know, you go back to pitt I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 8: nothing like that. Yeah like that right, Yeah, Pennsylvania area.
Speaker 2: But that that's I liked that.
Speaker 5: I would like to see McCarthy in that spect because
Speaker 5: he is absolutely a leader of man.
Speaker 2: You can't take that away from him.
Speaker 5: No, he motivates and I could see him absolutely connecting
Speaker 5: instantly with these younger guys and like you said, with
Speaker 5: NL and how you can kind of equate it with
Speaker 5: free agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might be. He might be able to do
Speaker 2: some damage to the college.
Speaker 4: Though hopefully's not calling place anyways. Uh, let's go to
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer again once again, we have a new head coach.
Speaker 4: Even you had a one on one with Brian Schttenheimers
Speaker 4: excellence and it's on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Shouts also
Speaker 4: to Rox Sanmadena because the production on that video is
Speaker 4: like a plus man, the cinematography, the b roll, the
Speaker 4: production just really a plus on all efforts.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I love it. I love being able to
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 8: And you know it was I didn't know when I
Speaker 8: walked in this morning, didn't know what that was. That
Speaker 8: was possibility, So you always got to be ready. But
Speaker 8: I love the fact, you know, he came in and
Speaker 8: you know, he's worried about his tie. He was like,
Speaker 8: make sure his ties right, you know, and he goes.
Speaker 8: But then he goes Jerry Steven didn't have a tie on,
Speaker 8: so this is the last time I'm wearing So he
Speaker 8: was like, let's get I was resident have his visor
Speaker 8: on it. One true, he did say, oh, we'll be
Speaker 8: getting advisor on for sure. And I'll be honest, I've
Speaker 8: never understood the visor. Yeah, I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it allows more air.
Speaker 6: It just seems like Texas Stadium to me. You know,
Speaker 6: you got the hole in the roof.
Speaker 4: It's like having it's like wearing sunglasses without having to
Speaker 4: worm lasses.
Speaker 6: I guess, so, I guess.
Speaker 4: So it's a sweat. I don't know. I could see it.
Speaker 2: I throwing a lebron and get put ahead, bet On
Speaker 2: and get over with.
Speaker 6: As for the interview, No, it was. It was good.
Speaker 8: And and here's something that that came out of that
Speaker 8: that I noticed a couple other times. This is this
Speaker 8: is something that is a small detail, but I think
Speaker 8: it could be a bigger thing when you're talking about
Speaker 8: commun indication. I asked a couple of questions and which
Speaker 8: maybe they were bad questions, but he he disagreed with.
Speaker 8: He also did it two or three times in the
Speaker 8: press conference too. Did at any point did you ever
Speaker 8: think at any point yesterday Schotenheimer was disrespectful in any way. Not,
Speaker 8: but he disagreed with at least four or five questions.
Speaker 8: The way you disagree with people at lunch here on
Speaker 8: the show, you're like, I hear.
Speaker 6: What you're saying, but as opposed to be like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 8: You know the dismissive verse that long way, right, So
Speaker 8: the way you handle your assistant coaches when they say
Speaker 8: I think we need to get this guy planned more,
Speaker 8: it's like, well, hold up about that, or I see
Speaker 8: your point. Let's let's talk about the way he kind
Speaker 8: of could massage a conversation like that and say, not
Speaker 8: trying to make someone feel dumb or idiot, but say
Speaker 8: I see it differently. Here's why that that that that
Speaker 8: can go a long ways. And so it's a small thing,
Speaker 8: but it could be a big thing when you're talking
Speaker 8: about how you handle people. That's one thing I really
Speaker 8: took from that. I loved his answer. I mean I
Speaker 8: asked him, I thought I asked the question of like, hey,
Speaker 8: what's a bigger challenge the super Bowl or living up
Speaker 8: to your father's expectations. I'm not competing with my father,
Speaker 8: you know. He just he's just Serena Williams that.
Speaker 6: Thing right back. I was like, oh crap, but.
Speaker 4: Anyways, but but I love it was a great answer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he still gave a great answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I got to hear here's some kleenics. What's this question?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 8: Nah, I don't see it like that boom gotcha? All right,
Speaker 8: fair enough, But it was, it was, It was good,
Speaker 8: and I think we're all going to be I think
Speaker 8: I think we're going to enjoy working with him.
Speaker 6: I think he I don't know how.
Speaker 8: Old he is in forty eight, fifty twofty two, he
Speaker 8: seems thirty seven, you know what I mean to me,
Speaker 8: he's got the younger.
Speaker 5: He just kind of it's kind of like a dan Quinn, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: dan Quinn doesn't feel like how old he actually is
Speaker 5: because he connects. Yeah, able to connect and be that
Speaker 5: people person and be able to coach and and have
Speaker 5: that conversation with you and disagree with you respectfully but
Speaker 5: also offer up his take on it.
Speaker 8: So that's what can you imagine nine hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: eight missed text messages or texts.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, that's how many he had. Yeah, and he
Speaker 4: said to all the people that love him, like, I
Speaker 4: have like five people that love me. Dudeyeah, that's crazy,
Speaker 4: but thanks man.
Speaker 6: But he also six he also said, some of those are.
Speaker 8: Hey, congrats, Shody, you deserve it. So you know, you know,
Speaker 8: I'm still out there, right, I'm a.
Speaker 6: Free agent, which which then you know what he said.
Speaker 8: But you heard the next part he goes, which I
Speaker 8: get because I've been there, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's the thing about a guy that does a lot
Speaker 8: of things. He's he's been on all sides of this.
Speaker 8: He's called the plays. He's not called the plays. He's
Speaker 8: not had the job, he's been out of work.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's been the intern. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And that was obviously a big sticking point for the
Speaker 4: Jones is like he's only fifty two and he has
Speaker 4: like twenty five plus years of experience.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a great balance of this is new
Speaker 8: and fresh and also continuity at the same time. Those
Speaker 8: players know them like it, but it's still new and
Speaker 8: fresh because you can't just roll out last year's stuff
Speaker 8: and say all the assistants back, all the free agents back,
Speaker 8: all that stuff. That's why I think they're gonna be
Speaker 8: really aggressive. They're gonna be active in free agency. Not aggressive,
Speaker 8: they're gonna be active. And I think and I think
Speaker 8: they're going to sign a lot more free agents than
Speaker 8: they have because they have a lot of spots to fill.
Speaker 6: That doesn't necessarily mean.
Speaker 8: It's gonna be Saequan type moves here and there, press
Speaker 8: conference type signings. I don't know about that, but i'd
Speaker 8: like to see one or two.
Speaker 4: Well, and to your point, Stephen and said that yesterday,
Speaker 4: I think shot he's the perfect combination of keeping somebody
Speaker 4: for continuity but also affecting change.
Speaker 6: So yes, you did say that getting kind.
Speaker 4: Of the best of both worlds in that scenario, hopefully.
Speaker 6: And that's what a team that's won.
Speaker 8: Well, we got twelve twelve, twelve and seven forty three
Speaker 8: games in the last four years.
Speaker 6: I mean like that this has been a good team.
Speaker 4: Right, It hasn't been a great team, but I think
Speaker 4: people talk like we won three games last.
Speaker 5: Night, and now what makes you wonder could it have
Speaker 5: been a great team if he didn't bite his lip.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't that's the thing. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's time to find out.
Speaker 4: All right, boys, let's take our last break. When we
Speaker 4: come back, we kind of have to face the music
Speaker 4: because not everyone is happy about this move, and we
Speaker 4: kind of have to provide some silver linings when we do.
Speaker 4: We'll do that when we come back. Right after this
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Speaker 5: ID I did you didn't see me do it?
Speaker 2: I did it?
Speaker 4: We did it now our boy. Our final segment. We
Speaker 4: got to face the music a little bit. We've been talking.
Speaker 4: We're a little too positive on the angry music. Heavy metal, metal, yeah, yeah, metal,
Speaker 4: there we go. We've been listen to a little Kublai contaday.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Have you ever heard that band?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: I just would say Metallica. I mean that's what I've got.
Speaker 4: My wife said that to me, like when the first
Speaker 4: time we mentioned I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in
Speaker 4: the middle band and she goes, oh, like Metallica, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh god.
Speaker 8: Because the people that have really listened to heavy metal
Speaker 8: think Metallica is even metal. Tallica is like dad rock,
Speaker 8: you know, like Will Smith is wrap well.
Speaker 4: I mean like yeah, like Metallica is like early. Their
Speaker 4: early stuff is great obviously, and like all the music
Speaker 4: is great, but like at a certain point they became
Speaker 4: dad rock where they cut their hair and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's like all right, man,
Speaker 4: it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 6: Okay, So let's face the music. They do music.
Speaker 4: Now, all right, let's face the music. The fan base. Obviously,
Speaker 4: there's too much music. There's a yeah, the music is
Speaker 4: pretty loud right now, you know. Not everyone's happy, and
Speaker 4: I get it, man, I'm a fan too.
Speaker 6: There's too much music.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's too much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean okay, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not everyone's happy. Which is completely understandable. You're not
Speaker 4: in the super Bowl and you're seeing the Eagles and
Speaker 4: the freaking Commanders and the NFC championship. Which is it
Speaker 4: hurts man, it's not great. Jalen hurts if you will.
Speaker 2: Hate it.
Speaker 4: But obviously we're not We're not in that position. We're
Speaker 4: not there yet, and it's it's not necessarily that close.
Speaker 4: What can we do? What are the expectations that you
Speaker 4: guys have going into the off season to get us
Speaker 4: over the hump into make a one year change, much
Speaker 4: like Dan Quinn did with the Washington.
Speaker 2: Want to exercise difference.
Speaker 6: I get it, but you know this is this is
Speaker 6: your house.
Speaker 5: First and foremost. You got to get active in free agency.
Speaker 5: And it's not simply the quantity. It is the quality.
Speaker 5: It's it's not about you know, bringing in four running
Speaker 5: backs between you know.
Speaker 2: May Fils the currency right May first.
Speaker 5: And in July fifteenth and saying hey we did a lot,
Speaker 5: we were active. No, it's about you know, doing things
Speaker 5: like number one, looking internally and saying can we retain
Speaker 5: Rico doubt or who deserves to be retained? Maybe comboying
Speaker 5: him with Ashton or something like that.
Speaker 2: In the draft.
Speaker 5: But you got to get active in free agency internally,
Speaker 5: but not using the internal retain or retentions as a
Speaker 5: way of justifying not being active outside of the building.
Speaker 5: So try to keep Eric Kendricks also diggi Zue Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 2: To try to keep Rico. Try to keep those things
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 6: I know, I don't, I don't, but I enjoyed that.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed.
Speaker 8: I enjoyed the fact that did you set that up
Speaker 8: on purpose just to get the music and just the world.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's chemistry.
Speaker 4: Aren't you married to do Hispanic family rights what they are?
Speaker 5: Ye, get active in free agency and honestly, let's just
Speaker 5: keep it, Frank, ditch the excuses, all right, Because I
Speaker 5: understand the salary cap is a thing.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 5: But for those of us, the capologists, we also understand
Speaker 5: that it can be massaged and manipulated. So that's why
Speaker 5: I'm not buying a lot of the things that get sold.
Speaker 5: And I say it on the podcast, and I you know,
Speaker 5: I say it in press conferences. I understand how it
Speaker 5: can be finished. So retaining Osadiggie Zoo, for example, that
Speaker 5: that would be a big one. Don't then look at
Speaker 5: me and say, well, we did this, so we can't
Speaker 5: do that. Well, actually you can, because here's a trigger. Here,
Speaker 5: here's the trigger. There'll pull this, pull this, release this person.
Speaker 2: Make it work.
Speaker 5: Right Howie Roseman does it in Philadelphia, Sean McVay and
Speaker 5: those guys, they do it out in Los Angeles. It
Speaker 5: can be done, so do it. So go out there
Speaker 5: in free agency. There are gonna be some whales. We
Speaker 5: understand that they're not going to go in free agency
Speaker 5: the first wave and really get super active in that.
Speaker 5: But if you give me one of those guys and
Speaker 5: then several meaningful guys thereafter, as opposed to throwing throw
Speaker 5: some running back names out there that we had last
Speaker 5: year that didn't even make it through training camp.
Speaker 6: It was like no on the team.
Speaker 4: On the team, right, they were like, we.
Speaker 5: Walked in the training camp with like ten running backs,
Speaker 5: Boyce Freeman and Daniel.
Speaker 2: Pee, Ollia P.
Speaker 4: Davis, He's on still here.
Speaker 5: But my point is you you quite literally had like
Speaker 5: eight names, including Hunter lifty eight names, but how many
Speaker 5: of those names were meaningful? Ezekiel Elliott was brought back
Speaker 5: in the end, it turned out to be Rico Show,
Speaker 5: which it should have been in the first place.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 5: Don't just throw bodies at the problem, throw the right
Speaker 5: bodies at the particular problems and kind of start from there.
Speaker 4: We're not asking you to throw off the pie. Just
Speaker 4: make a new pie.
Speaker 5: I'm saying is an excuse because there's a way to
Speaker 5: bake the pie where where it can be delicious and
Speaker 5: everybody can eat, as opposed to saying, oh, well, I
Speaker 5: only know how to make pumpkin.
Speaker 2: Learn how to make apple, learn how to make cherry.
Speaker 4: Like sweet potato pots, sweet sweet tighter.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about that sweet tighter pie. It's
Speaker 2: something good, is what it is.
Speaker 5: Not it's rubarb, So respectfully, just make it work because
Speaker 5: we've seen that other teams can make it work. So
Speaker 5: look at what the enemies are doing. Look at what
Speaker 5: the opponents are doing. Take the strategies that are helping
Speaker 5: them be successful and their strategies they're using to beat you.
Speaker 4: To adopt it, I mean, go ahead, answer well.
Speaker 8: I also think I think a big part of it,
Speaker 8: before you even get the free agency, is that the
Speaker 8: guys you have here that you've invested in, like they've
Speaker 8: got to take that leap, Like if Tyler Guiden doesn't
Speaker 8: live in the weight room this year, then that's gonna
Speaker 8: be on them or on Tyler Guiden. And I mean
Speaker 8: that's he's got to want it. He's got to want
Speaker 8: to do that. Like he's a first round pick and
Speaker 8: they're not getting They didn't get the production.
Speaker 6: They didn't get fifth.
Speaker 8: Round production out of him. I mean really, I mean
Speaker 8: they they they didn't. He Then the end of the
Speaker 8: year with Chuma Idoga, I mean I thought that was
Speaker 8: going to be a couple of weeks into training camp
Speaker 8: and then he takes over and at the end of
Speaker 8: the season, like week sixteen seventeen, he was a better
Speaker 8: option for them to evaluate talent because because of just
Speaker 8: how better he was as a player that you know.
Speaker 8: Yet that can't happen so these other teams. Yeah, the
Speaker 8: Cowboys have drafted well, but the last two years, your
Speaker 8: first round picks are not guys that are even starting
Speaker 8: all the time or competing for Pro Bowls or any
Speaker 8: of that.
Speaker 5: And you need guys, like you said, like Sam Williams
Speaker 5: coming back from this injury. He was supposed to hit
Speaker 5: last year, but he towards ACL. You need him to
Speaker 5: hit this year. So that's a good that's a good.
Speaker 4: One to pivot. This is my last question for the day,
Speaker 4: obviously with the draft coming up, and I think, well,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we have the draft coming up anyways, sorry,
Speaker 4: but not today. When it comes to the war room,
Speaker 4: do we think shot he's going to have a more
Speaker 4: of a say in the players that you're that you're
Speaker 4: drafting than Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't know about more. I mean, I don't
Speaker 6: know about more than you.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean the reason I say yes and
Speaker 5: let's let's qualify it, or I should say let's quantify.
Speaker 5: When I say more, I don't mean that it's guaranteed
Speaker 5: to be light years ahead of what McCarthy's input was.
Speaker 2: More in the aspect of what I.
Speaker 5: Gleaned, one of the things I gleaned from the press
Speaker 5: conference yesterday is Stephen this is taken from what Steven
Speaker 5: was saying, is that they understand the position they're in
Speaker 5: with Schottenheimer, right. They understand even when you talk about
Speaker 5: how many times Jerry said risk and identifying Shotenheimer, they
Speaker 5: understand that they got to put the pieces around Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott and they got to put the coaching pieces around Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2: This is a first time NFL head coach.
Speaker 5: You, unlike with McCarthy, you don't have the luxury of
Speaker 5: leaning on his Super Bowl ex in, one of the
Speaker 5: winningest coaches in NFL history, to say, oh, we can
Speaker 5: throw you some scraps and you can make this work.
Speaker 5: You don't have that luxury. This is a new NFL
Speaker 5: head coach, so you have to go in with a
Speaker 5: different mindset instead of yourself. We have to be more
Speaker 5: aggressive and all of the things that we do. Does
Speaker 5: that mean that we turn ourselves into the Eagles? Doubtful.
Speaker 5: But you can't continue to do what you've been doing
Speaker 5: and using the experience of your head coach as an
Speaker 5: excuse to not be aggressive, because the experience is not
Speaker 5: there anymore. So that's what I mean when I say yes,
Speaker 5: so doing some things differently. I do think they will
Speaker 5: go to Shotty more often and say, hey, what are
Speaker 5: you looking for?
Speaker 2: What do you need?
Speaker 5: Tommy talks a lot about alignment, and I love that
Speaker 5: he does. I think this will be a more direct
Speaker 5: alignment between Will McLay, Stephen Jones and the head coach,
Speaker 5: which currently is Brian Shotenhamer.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 6: That's fair.
Speaker 8: I mean, I definitely think the thing about the draft though,
Speaker 8: is there's so many key players in free agency that
Speaker 8: they're just not going to resign them all. I think
Speaker 8: they're going to have some holes to fill in the
Speaker 8: draft that you don't want, that you don't want that
Speaker 8: you want to kind of band aid it up here
Speaker 8: in March and then when you get to April you
Speaker 8: can be able to take best player available. I just
Speaker 8: don't see that happening. I don't I don't see you know. So,
Speaker 8: if you don't resign Osa, I think you're going to
Speaker 8: have a problem at you don't resign Jordan Lewis with
Speaker 8: Diggs injuries, You're gonna have an issue at Corny Ken
Speaker 8: Kendricks at linebacker injuries, so you know, and then you
Speaker 8: look at Zach Martin potentially retiring, and then you know,
Speaker 8: just guidance not his development isn't there. So the lines
Speaker 8: an issue. All the running backs are free agents, that's
Speaker 8: that's gonna be a They're just not going to be
Speaker 8: able to piece this together in free agency to the
Speaker 8: point where I think there's gonna be holes in the draft.
Speaker 8: So that's why it's kind of hard to say what
Speaker 8: what happened it's.
Speaker 4: Going to be hard to be the team that uh
Speaker 4: picks the best player available.
Speaker 2: It don't have holes, regard less thing. And this is
Speaker 2: piggybacking off.
Speaker 6: Letus you have a lot of holes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: Then then you're like, well, just you know, you can't
Speaker 8: you just best you know? I'll yeah, yeah, the best
Speaker 8: best you know, The best available need is what I
Speaker 8: always say. I always say it's banned. It's the best
Speaker 8: available need. And there's gonna be a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to there's no way you're going into
Speaker 5: this draft without some kind of voids that need to
Speaker 5: be taken care of because you have such a long
Speaker 5: list of pending for free agents inside the building. So
Speaker 5: even if you keep Olsa Jordan and Eric Kendricks, for example,
Speaker 5: you still got the Zach Martin equation. You still got
Speaker 5: some depth issues because you don't know what Kayln Carson
Speaker 5: looks like in year two coming off of a season
Speaker 5: ended injury. You know, so forth and so on. But
Speaker 5: that being said again, if you go back to how
Speaker 5: to massage and manipulate the cap, you know it'll be
Speaker 5: sold to you as oh, well we have.
Speaker 2: To pay Michael. Well, if you pay Michaeh.
Speaker 5: Now, so you're actually free up tens of thousands, tens
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars in salary cap space for twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five like immediately that you can then use to
Speaker 5: go shopping a free agency to help out at as
Speaker 5: far as your BPA or your band approaches concerned and
Speaker 5: free agency in the draft. So the sooner you get
Speaker 5: deals like Micah's done, the more cap savings you actually have.
Speaker 5: It's not until after the contract is about to expire
Speaker 5: that you do the extension. That's when you get penalized
Speaker 5: for waiting. So that's what I mean when I say,
Speaker 5: you know handle it how some other teams are handling it.
Speaker 5: Adopt some of their strategies. And it's not that none
Speaker 5: of your strategies are working. Some of them are right,
Speaker 5: but identify the ones that aren't, see who's doing that
Speaker 5: thing better, and then marry those two things.
Speaker 4: All right, boys, we're a few minutes over. That'll be
Speaker 4: it for talking talks. I know, it's talking storyline. We're
Speaker 4: leading into it. I know, I know. Thank you Nick
Speaker 4: even for joining us.
Speaker 6: It's been great.
Speaker 4: Thank you Kyle, thank you Tommy, thank you Isaiah, who's
Speaker 4: not here, shouts to my rich mocha.
Speaker 8: Are you going to Isaiah standback? Is he going to
Speaker 8: do the things? It's a trademark thing. You gotta do
Speaker 8: it for raw No, im good? What is that I
Speaker 8: was going to see?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
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