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Speaker 4: Welcome to Talking Cowboys. We are live from the Star

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Speaker 4: in Frisco, Texas. Welcome, Welcome everybody. It is a Talking Tuesday. Basically,

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Speaker 4: we're talking on a Tuesday. I'm here with Patrick No C. Walker,

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Nick Eatman. It is Talking Cowboys storyline

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Speaker 4: Wenda Turn.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I always have to wait for the

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Speaker 5: the intro.

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to turn?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't not really, Yeah, you never got to turn.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's a thing for us. I like this.

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Speaker 6: I like, actually, you know, talking to other people, I

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Speaker 6: mean talk to in the studio. In the studio.

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Speaker 4: So you don't want to bring Rob he can have

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Speaker 4: a spot. You know there's four chairs.

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Speaker 4: Rob Phillips, No, Robin Vegas, Rob Vegas he said one

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Speaker 4: for Ali.

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Speaker 5: Well, whenever you say Rob, my brain is all going

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Speaker 5: to Rob. Yeah, that's that's King. Oh, Rob from Vegas.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna have some things to say tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: No, yeah really yeah you think so, Yeah, we'll see,

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Speaker 6: we'll see.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's got If.

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Speaker 5: You have Rob from Vegas here, you'd have to like

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Speaker 5: keep the censor button like right, yeah, just over your fingers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Well we're gonna be ready for tomorrow on that like that.

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Speaker 8: But anyways, that's that's for Tomorrow's.

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Speaker 4: That's for tomorrow, guys. Obviously, we had the of course

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Speaker 4: new head coach Brian Schottenheimer, that was announced. We had

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Speaker 4: the productory press conference yesterday. But I kind of want

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Speaker 4: to bury the lead here. Obviously that happened, we have

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Speaker 4: the press conference to talk about, but I kind of

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Speaker 4: want to walk through what the last week has looked

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Speaker 4: like for you guys, obviously as staff riders of Dallas

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Speaker 4: covers dot com. Obviously it's the editor for Dallas Cobies

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Speaker 4: dot Com. I kind of want to walk through the

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Speaker 4: timeline and basically get a sense of what to last

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Speaker 4: week look like leading up to this decision.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll say this, it looks it's it's it starts

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Speaker 8: early and it ends late, so you know, you're not.

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Speaker 8: Just because you're not at your desk working doesn't mean

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Speaker 8: you're not working and grinding. And if you know, you know,

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Speaker 8: our guys worked hard. Our guys worked hard and trying

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Speaker 8: to chase this thing down. I know, Patrick's a big

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Speaker 8: part of it. I get more text messages from Patrick, Tommy,

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Speaker 8: you know, you you know, as far as things that

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Speaker 8: we see and all that, And that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 8: Off season to me is so much harder than the

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Speaker 8: regular season because the regular season is like, all right,

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Speaker 8: you know exactly what's coming. There's gonna be press conference tomorrow,

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Speaker 8: there's gonna be locker room, you get that. But this

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Speaker 8: is like maybe there's something, maybe there's not. You're kind

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Speaker 8: of your head's always on the switch.

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Speaker 4: There are more things important than a clock.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: That, I mean, it's just facts.

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Speaker 8: That and that is true. That was a good answer

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Speaker 8: because that I don't know if I love the question,

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Speaker 8: but you know, I mean just because it was like

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Speaker 8: there's no timeline on things like that. And that's that's

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Speaker 8: the thing about the off season. You're just you don't

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Speaker 8: know when things are happening, but you just always have

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Speaker 8: to stay ready. And I think you know, so I'm

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Speaker 8: talking about the process, Park Patrick, you talk about the

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Speaker 8: actual his actual question of like how things developed, how

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean it was unexpected.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, it was unexpected, wildly unexpected. And had him

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Speaker 5: on the list, Yeah yeah, I did have them on

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Speaker 5: with the Cowboys, and that news could drop at any moment.

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Speaker 5: To your point, it could come out of the left field,

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Speaker 5: right field, center field. But the process was I mean,

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Speaker 5: For the most part, you get Leslie Fraser in here,

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Speaker 5: Robert Sala, Kellen Moore, and everybody was panicking because they

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Speaker 5: try to handle that particular task because he's done it before, right,

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Speaker 5: So Scott Tozine reporter Scott Tozen is out reported least

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Speaker 5: choosing to not return. So to Nick Eaman's point, man,

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Speaker 5: there's so much that makes it more difficult this offseason

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Speaker 5: we have to track down this information. It's not coming

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Speaker 5: you go find that. Yeah, so we're still working in

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys. They crossed the first finish line and choosing

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Speaker 4: Selfishly, is there a sense of relief now that we

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean selfishly is a good is a good answer.

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Speaker 8: It's a good word because I get asked a lot,

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Speaker 8: like during the season, you know, the last few games

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Speaker 8: think McCarthy should come back? Selfishly, I hate coaching searches

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Speaker 8: for everything that Patrick just said, I don't like them.

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Speaker 8: Now are they necessary in this case?

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Speaker 8: Probably, And it seems like it seems like it was

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Speaker 8: so because it's it's it's tough to deal with because

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Speaker 8: source here, this has happened.

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Speaker 4: You know, I heard several different onesers like oh it's done, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Shill is done. You know, it was several different names

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Speaker 8: I did include you when I said Patrick and Tommy,

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Speaker 8: I think Josh actually told me the news. I'll just

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Speaker 8: leave it at that. It's happening.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, I kind of have a

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Speaker 4: I said, the news was kind of changing each and

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Speaker 4: And as a fan, first me, I had to kind

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Speaker 4: off of that. But now we're here, Now we have

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Speaker 4: the name picked. It's official. We had the introductory press

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Speaker 4: conference yesterday, which I want to get into. Obviously it happened.

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Speaker 4: It happened on a of course. It was late Friday

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Speaker 4: morning when we have the press conference, big deal. Obviously

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Speaker 4: I know what you're seventy.

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Speaker 6: Well it actually wasn't. It was more like eighty five.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I'm going to say he's getting hot.

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Speaker 8: But anyway, now I know what you're saying and we're

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Speaker 8: if you could win a press conference.

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Speaker 2: He won it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, if that's possible, that's not the wins that he

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Speaker 8: that has to happen here. I understand that. But but

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Speaker 8: he did a really good job. I you know, the

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Speaker 8: whole leader of men can I think, well, we already

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Speaker 6: You know. Some of that could be like I'm here

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Speaker 8: But but and still though, I just think he's got

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Speaker 6: And it sounds like some of the fans too. Hey,

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Speaker 8: Good until you lose a game or you see what

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Speaker 5: I agree with that because a lot of fans that

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Speaker 5: I'm speaking with and they're reaching out to me social media.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting a common thread in that they did not

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Speaker 5: realize how impressed they would be with Schottenheimer as far

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Speaker 5: as his ability to speak and his ability to go

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Speaker 5: the extra mileth So, for example, take the question that

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Speaker 5: I was basically asking him straightforward. I was like, Hey,

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Speaker 5: tell us what this looks like? He not only answered,

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Speaker 5: This is a very high football like you guy, right

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Speaker 5: Now we're all gonna hold you accountable pre snap motion

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Speaker 4: that you asked, and tell us what the responses were

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Speaker 4: and how you perceived their responses, because of course there's

441
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Speaker 4: going to be a lot of work around when you

442
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Speaker 4: ask direct questions like you did, I want to know

443
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Speaker 4: your interpretation of those.

444
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Speaker 2: Well.

445
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Speaker 5: First, when you're going into an augurial press conference for

446
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Speaker 5: a head coach like that and you have so many

447
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 5: people waiting to ask the questions, you're going to get

448
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 5: the expected questions, which would be you know, how do

449
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Speaker 5: you feel? What did you feel when you first got

450
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Speaker 5: the news, and things like that, and those are rightful

451
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Speaker 5: and justifiable questions that you need answers to. You want

452
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Speaker 5: to get his mindset going into a big gig like this,

453
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Speaker 5: But I really wanted to take that opportunity to kind

454
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Speaker 5: of dive into the minutia of it.

455
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Speaker 2: So with Schottenheimer, good word, thank you.

456
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Speaker 5: With Schottenheimer, I wanted to get past the superficial part

457
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Speaker 5: of Okay, well the offense is going to look different, Okay,

458
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Speaker 5: what does that mean? So I asked him about the

459
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Speaker 5: modernization of the offense, what does that look like under

460
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Speaker 5: a Schottenheimer era? And feeding off of some things that

461
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Speaker 5: Jerry and Stephen had said. Steven said something that really

462
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Speaker 5: stuck out to me when he said the offense needs to.

463
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Speaker 2: Solve for the quarterback.

464
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, what does that mean in regards to Dak

465
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Speaker 5: Prescott's skill set? We know as analysts that Dak excels

466
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Speaker 5: at play action in order to have play action work.

467
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Speaker 5: What does that mean for you as the play caller

468
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Speaker 5: going into this year? So I love what he said

469
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Speaker 5: about cut splits and pre snap motion. And one thing

470
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Speaker 5: about McCarthy. I will give McCarthy credit in that, over

471
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Speaker 5: the course of his five year tenure here he evolved

472
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Speaker 5: to do more motion, but it became inconsistent. So even

473
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Speaker 5: after in games where it would work, he'd have sixty

474
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Speaker 5: percent pre snap motion and they would blow the doors

475
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Speaker 5: off of someone. The next game it would kind of

476
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Speaker 5: dip down, and then you'd find that there was a

477
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Speaker 5: correlation in them struggling sounds like with the whole Jerry

478
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Speaker 5: saying Schottenheimer quote unquote air quotes bit his lip several

479
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Speaker 5: times during the McCarthy era, which is no shade to McCarthy,

480
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Speaker 5: it's just basically saying there was a difference in philosophy there.

481
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Speaker 5: I wanted to hear what Shottenheimer's answer was, and again

482
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Speaker 5: I loved what he said. It was succinct, it was clear,

483
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 5: it was transparent, and it did not provide any fluff.

484
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Speaker 5: He basically looked us in the eyes without giving his

485
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 5: whole playbook away, and said, this is what you can

486
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Speaker 5: expect going forward.

487
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Speaker 2: Wonderful.

488
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Speaker 5: Second question was about free agency, roster building, cap manipulation,

489
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Speaker 5: and management. Question direction, which is yeah, question directed towards

490
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Speaker 5: both Jerry and Steven. When you look at a team

491
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Speaker 5: like the Philadelphia Eagles, who have operated a certain way

492
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Speaker 5: in free agency and never used the cap as an excuse,

493
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Speaker 5: and now they're back in the super Bowl, we consistently

494
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Speaker 5: hear that the.

495
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Speaker 2: Bill's gonna come.

496
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Speaker 5: Do not to say that it won't, but certain teams

497
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Speaker 5: like the Eagles, the Rams, they continually find a way

498
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Speaker 5: to keep the bill from coming. To What can you

499
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Speaker 5: take away from your opponents, Because looking in the mirror

500
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Speaker 5: only gets you so far. The art of war dictates

501
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Speaker 5: that you also have to look at the other military

502
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Speaker 5: generals and say, that's what they're using against us. I'm

503
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Speaker 5: going to turn that around, as sons Su said, As

504
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Speaker 5: Sons Su said, and use that against them I love

505
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Speaker 5: what Stephen. The majority of Steven's answer I loved because

506
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Speaker 5: he took full accountability in saying, yes, we can do better.

507
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Speaker 5: We do look at teams like the Eagles, the forty

508
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 5: nine ers, the Rams, we do try to take some

509
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Speaker 5: of their practices again, said the right things. We'll see

510
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Speaker 5: if that translates in this year's free agency. Jerry was Jerry,

511
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Speaker 5: and that's yeah.

512
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Speaker 4: The stories.

513
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Jerry had the stories.

514
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Speaker 5: And nothing Jerry said surprised me because Jerry is always

515
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Speaker 5: going to give you the Jerry answer. So for that,

516
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Speaker 5: that's the best way I can describe that. I wasn't

517
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 5: disappointed or excited. I was neither of those things. It

518
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 5: was exactly what I expected Jerry to tell me. But

519
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Speaker 5: from what Steven told me, I saw glimmer of hope.

520
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 5: I saw a glimmer of hope. And as far as

521
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 5: what Shoty told me, as far as the play calling

522
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Speaker 5: and what they might look like, I really got optimistic

523
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Speaker 5: about that.

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Speaker 2: So again, now just show me. You know.

525
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Speaker 8: I was a little surprised, but Jerry calling him a

526
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Speaker 8: risk like twenty.

527
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Speaker 2: Three times big risk, Yeah risk, biggest risk.

528
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a huge risk. He's right here, he's a

529
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 5: huge risk. He was treating him like the five year

530
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Speaker 5: old Bronco. He's the Bronco. I can't have it all.

531
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Speaker 2: So we got.

532
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Speaker 6: Jerry. No, I mean I was.

533
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Speaker 8: I was impressed with, you know, the way that Shottenheimer

534
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Speaker 8: handled himself, and then with you know, it was an

535
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Speaker 8: emotional press conference, and then Jerry got emotional too a

536
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Speaker 8: little bit, just you know, because you start talking about

537
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Speaker 8: family with Jerry, whether it's real life, whether it's on

538
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 8: a TV show, you know, the Landman or whatever, and

539
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 8: even if it's someone else's family, because you can relate.

540
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Speaker 8: You know, he called his mama, he said that, you know,

541
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Speaker 8: he called his mama, and so he understands that stuff.

542
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Speaker 8: So there's a lot to take from. When they talked

543
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Speaker 8: about deference to and I said this on the radio

544
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Speaker 8: this morning, they asked about McCarthy and Schotenheimer working together

545
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Speaker 8: and how much difference there was. I'm like the fact

546
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Speaker 8: that they hired Schottenheimer is proof enough that there were

547
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Speaker 8: some changes.

548
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Speaker 6: Because usually look at this offense and be like.

549
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Speaker 8: All right, we got it. We got to move on here.

550
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 8: We got to move on play caller, offensive coordinator, we

551
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Speaker 8: got to make changes.

552
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Speaker 6: But the fact that they said.

553
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Speaker 8: All right, Mike, we're gonna move on, but we're gonna

554
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Speaker 8: we're gonna keep Schottenheimer. Yeah, that makes me think there

555
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 8: were a lot of biting, a lot of that going on,

556
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 8: and so that they just they just see things very

557
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Speaker 8: differently and let's let's hope so because you know, this

558
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 8: team wasn't prepared at all. I mean, they don't score

559
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 8: coming out of the game. I've said that a million times.

560
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Speaker 8: They don't just come out and score. What are they

561
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Speaker 8: doing all week long? What are you doing all week?

562
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Speaker 8: You should have your fifteenth plays scripted.

563
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Speaker 6: Worried out punt.

564
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Speaker 4: One of the more frustrating things whenever McCarthy would have

565
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Speaker 4: a press conference after the game and talk about how, yeah,

566
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Speaker 4: I wish we'd have leaned on the run a little

567
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Speaker 4: more at a certain dude, you're calling the game.

568
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know right that I never understood that is

569
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Speaker 5: is that sounds a whole lot like I got to

570
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Speaker 5: get like the previous play caller who Mike McCarthy stood

571
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Speaker 5: on the podium and Basic Lee lambasted into the bus

572
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 5: a little bit after the lost to the Green Bay

573
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Speaker 5: Packers and Aaron Rodgers killing got dragged that's indirectly Jackson.

574
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Speaker 2: He said, you got it, you got it to run

575
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Speaker 2: the ball right.

576
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Speaker 5: Fast forward to last year, and now it was was like,

577
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Speaker 5: oh oh, oh interesting.

578
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Speaker 8: I mean the irony here for Mike's is going to

579
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 8: be very interesting when you think of the last three

580
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Speaker 8: years where your defensive coordinator here and your offensive coordinator

581
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Speaker 8: you know, is over here playing in the championships game

582
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Speaker 8: game together.

583
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Speaker 6: One's a head coach.

584
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Speaker 8: Kellen Moore is probably going to be the head coach

585
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Speaker 8: in New Orleans, I would think, and then here, and

586
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Speaker 8: then then your your next offensive corner who you didn't

587
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Speaker 8: even want to call plays is now calling the plays,

588
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Speaker 8: and he is the head coach in your job and

589
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Speaker 8: you don't.

590
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Speaker 2: Have a job.

591
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Speaker 5: But also to add to that that little twist, assuming

592
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Speaker 5: killing Moore is that means he will have beaten out

593
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Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy.

594
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Speaker 2: Four.

595
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't Yeah, I don't think Mike's getting

596
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Speaker 6: that job in New Orleans.

597
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Speaker 8: And you don't get one this year, you know fund

598
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Speaker 8: next year.

599
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Speaker 2: You think.

600
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Speaker 5: I say that because and you've you've covered the NFL

601
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 5: long enough to know that time makes people forget the

602
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: worst things, right, So if he sits out a year,

603
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: when the next cycle comes around number one, he might

604
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: have a better opportunity than some of the ones that

605
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 5: are out there right now. But also a lot of

606
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: these gms and owners, they're going to forget the skin

607
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: of a seven and ten and they're going to remember that,

608
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: you know, thirty six and fifteen that seeded it. So

609
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Speaker 5: the year that year off, if it's to happen, I

610
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 5: don't think it will hurt.

611
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Speaker 8: Him at I all think in college. I don't think

612
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Speaker 8: the college route would be too bad for him.

613
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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

614
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 8: The way that NIL is now and the way you're

615
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 8: managing money and you're managing these egos and agents and

616
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 8: all that stuff. It's a lot more pro style than

617
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 8: it ever used to be. I think, you know, that

618
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 8: would be a miss. I can be a Big ten school.

619
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Speaker 8: I don't know one specifically, just just something where you

620
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 8: know a good quality program looking at it, you know,

621
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Speaker 8: looking to kind of make a mark and say, well,

622
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Speaker 8: that's a super Bowl winning coach he's coaching that's Arkansas.

623
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Speaker 2: Look, no, no, we have that guy. Okay, you got

624
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: your guy.

625
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 6: They're about the same. We got that guy.

626
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 8: So no, no, that's not what I was talking about.

627
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Speaker 8: You know, you go back to pitt I don't know, Yeah,

628
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 8: nothing like that. Yeah like that right, Yeah, Pennsylvania area.

629
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Speaker 2: But that that's I liked that.

630
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Speaker 5: I would like to see McCarthy in that spect because

631
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Speaker 5: he is absolutely a leader of man.

632
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Speaker 2: You can't take that away from him.

633
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: No, he motivates and I could see him absolutely connecting

634
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: instantly with these younger guys and like you said, with

635
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 5: NL and how you can kind of equate it with

636
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Speaker 5: free agency.

637
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might be. He might be able to do

638
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: some damage to the college.

639
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: Though hopefully's not calling place anyways. Uh, let's go to

640
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer again once again, we have a new head coach.

641
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: Even you had a one on one with Brian Schttenheimers

642
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: excellence and it's on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Shouts also

643
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: to Rox Sanmadena because the production on that video is

644
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: like a plus man, the cinematography, the b roll, the

645
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: production just really a plus on all efforts.

646
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Speaker 6: And yeah, I love it. I love being able to

647
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Speaker 6: do that.

648
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 8: And you know it was I didn't know when I

649
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 8: walked in this morning, didn't know what that was. That

650
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 8: was possibility, So you always got to be ready. But

651
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 8: I love the fact, you know, he came in and

652
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 8: you know, he's worried about his tie. He was like,

653
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 8: make sure his ties right, you know, and he goes.

654
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 8: But then he goes Jerry Steven didn't have a tie on,

655
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 8: so this is the last time I'm wearing So he

656
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 8: was like, let's get I was resident have his visor

657
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 8: on it. One true, he did say, oh, we'll be

658
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 8: getting advisor on for sure. And I'll be honest, I've

659
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 8: never understood the visor. Yeah, I don't understand it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it allows more air.

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Speaker 6: It just seems like Texas Stadium to me. You know,

662
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Speaker 6: you got the hole in the roof.

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Speaker 4: It's like having it's like wearing sunglasses without having to

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Speaker 4: worm lasses.

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Speaker 6: I guess, so, I guess.

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Speaker 4: So it's a sweat. I don't know. I could see it.

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Speaker 2: I throwing a lebron and get put ahead, bet On

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Speaker 2: and get over with.

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Speaker 6: As for the interview, No, it was. It was good.

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Speaker 8: And and here's something that that came out of that

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Speaker 8: that I noticed a couple other times. This is this

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Speaker 8: is something that is a small detail, but I think

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Speaker 8: it could be a bigger thing when you're talking about

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Speaker 8: commun indication. I asked a couple of questions and which

675
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Speaker 8: maybe they were bad questions, but he he disagreed with.

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Speaker 8: He also did it two or three times in the

677
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Speaker 8: press conference too. Did at any point did you ever

678
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Speaker 8: think at any point yesterday Schotenheimer was disrespectful in any way. Not,

679
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Speaker 8: but he disagreed with at least four or five questions.

680
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Speaker 8: The way you disagree with people at lunch here on

681
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Speaker 8: the show, you're like, I hear.

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Speaker 6: What you're saying, but as opposed to be like no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 8: You know the dismissive verse that long way, right, So

684
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Speaker 8: the way you handle your assistant coaches when they say

685
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Speaker 8: I think we need to get this guy planned more,

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Speaker 8: it's like, well, hold up about that, or I see

687
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Speaker 8: your point. Let's let's talk about the way he kind

688
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Speaker 8: of could massage a conversation like that and say, not

689
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Speaker 8: trying to make someone feel dumb or idiot, but say

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Speaker 8: I see it differently. Here's why that that that that

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Speaker 8: can go a long ways. And so it's a small thing,

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Speaker 8: but it could be a big thing when you're talking

693
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Speaker 8: about how you handle people. That's one thing I really

694
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Speaker 8: took from that. I loved his answer. I mean I

695
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Speaker 8: asked him, I thought I asked the question of like, hey,

696
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Speaker 8: what's a bigger challenge the super Bowl or living up

697
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Speaker 8: to your father's expectations. I'm not competing with my father,

698
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Speaker 8: you know. He just he's just Serena Williams that.

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Speaker 6: Thing right back. I was like, oh crap, but.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, but but I love it was a great answer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he still gave a great answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I got to hear here's some kleenics. What's this question?

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Speaker 11: Like?

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Speaker 8: Nah, I don't see it like that boom gotcha? All right,

706
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Speaker 8: fair enough, But it was, it was, It was good,

707
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Speaker 8: and I think we're all going to be I think

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Speaker 8: I think we're going to enjoy working with him.

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Speaker 6: I think he I don't know how.

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Speaker 8: Old he is in forty eight, fifty twofty two, he

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Speaker 8: seems thirty seven, you know what I mean to me,

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Speaker 8: he's got the younger.

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Speaker 5: He just kind of it's kind of like a dan Quinn, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: dan Quinn doesn't feel like how old he actually is

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Speaker 5: because he connects. Yeah, able to connect and be that

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Speaker 5: people person and be able to coach and and have

717
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Speaker 5: that conversation with you and disagree with you respectfully but

718
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Speaker 5: also offer up his take on it.

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Speaker 8: So that's what can you imagine nine hundred and eighty

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Speaker 8: eight missed text messages or texts.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy, that's how many he had. Yeah, and he

722
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Speaker 4: said to all the people that love him, like, I

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Speaker 4: have like five people that love me. Dudeyeah, that's crazy,

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Speaker 4: but thanks man.

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Speaker 6: But he also six he also said, some of those are.

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Speaker 8: Hey, congrats, Shody, you deserve it. So you know, you know,

727
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Speaker 8: I'm still out there, right, I'm a.

728
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Speaker 6: Free agent, which which then you know what he said.

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Speaker 8: But you heard the next part he goes, which I

730
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Speaker 8: get because I've been there, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: that's the thing about a guy that does a lot

732
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Speaker 8: of things. He's he's been on all sides of this.

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Speaker 8: He's called the plays. He's not called the plays. He's

734
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Speaker 8: not had the job, he's been out of work.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, he's been the intern. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that was obviously a big sticking point for the

737
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Speaker 4: Jones is like he's only fifty two and he has

738
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Speaker 4: like twenty five plus years of experience.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a great balance of this is new

740
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Speaker 8: and fresh and also continuity at the same time. Those

741
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Speaker 8: players know them like it, but it's still new and

742
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Speaker 8: fresh because you can't just roll out last year's stuff

743
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Speaker 8: and say all the assistants back, all the free agents back,

744
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Speaker 8: all that stuff. That's why I think they're gonna be

745
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Speaker 8: really aggressive. They're gonna be active in free agency. Not aggressive,

746
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Speaker 8: they're gonna be active. And I think and I think

747
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Speaker 8: they're going to sign a lot more free agents than

748
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Speaker 8: they have because they have a lot of spots to fill.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't necessarily mean.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be Saequan type moves here and there, press

751
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Speaker 8: conference type signings. I don't know about that, but i'd

752
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Speaker 8: like to see one or two.

753
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Speaker 4: Well, and to your point, Stephen and said that yesterday,

754
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Speaker 4: I think shot he's the perfect combination of keeping somebody

755
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Speaker 4: for continuity but also affecting change.

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Speaker 6: So yes, you did say that getting kind.

757
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Speaker 4: Of the best of both worlds in that scenario, hopefully.

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Speaker 6: And that's what a team that's won.

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Speaker 8: Well, we got twelve twelve, twelve and seven forty three

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Speaker 8: games in the last four years.

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Speaker 6: I mean like that this has been a good team.

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Speaker 4: Right, It hasn't been a great team, but I think

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Speaker 4: people talk like we won three games last.

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Speaker 5: Night, and now what makes you wonder could it have

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Speaker 5: been a great team if he didn't bite his lip.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't that's the thing. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: don't know, but it's time to find out.

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Speaker 4: All right, boys, let's take our last break. When we

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Speaker 2: I did it?

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Speaker 4: We did it now our boy. Our final segment. We

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Speaker 4: got to face the music a little bit. We've been talking.

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Speaker 4: We're a little too positive on the angry music. Heavy metal, metal, yeah, yeah, metal,

827
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Speaker 4: there we go. We've been listen to a little Kublai contaday.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Have you ever heard that band?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 6: I just would say Metallica. I mean that's what I've got.

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Speaker 4: My wife said that to me, like when the first

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Speaker 4: the middle band and she goes, oh, like Metallica, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh god.

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Speaker 8: Because the people that have really listened to heavy metal

836
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Speaker 8: think Metallica is even metal. Tallica is like dad rock,

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Speaker 8: you know, like Will Smith is wrap well.

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Speaker 4: I mean like yeah, like Metallica is like early. Their

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Speaker 4: early stuff is great obviously, and like all the music

840
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Speaker 4: is great, but like at a certain point they became

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Speaker 4: dad rock where they cut their hair and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's like all right, man,

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Speaker 4: it's all good. It's all good.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So let's face the music. They do music.

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Speaker 4: Now, all right, let's face the music. The fan base. Obviously,

846
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Speaker 4: there's too much music. There's a yeah, the music is

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: pretty loud right now, you know. Not everyone's happy, and

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Speaker 4: I get it, man, I'm a fan too.

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Speaker 6: There's too much music.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's too much.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean okay, let's go, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not everyone's happy. Which is completely understandable. You're not

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Speaker 4: in the super Bowl and you're seeing the Eagles and

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Speaker 4: the freaking Commanders and the NFC championship. Which is it

855
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Speaker 4: hurts man, it's not great. Jalen hurts if you will.

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Speaker 2: Hate it.

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Speaker 4: But obviously we're not We're not in that position. We're

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Speaker 4: not there yet, and it's it's not necessarily that close.

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Speaker 4: What can we do? What are the expectations that you

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Speaker 4: guys have going into the off season to get us

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Speaker 4: over the hump into make a one year change, much

862
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Speaker 4: like Dan Quinn did with the Washington.

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Speaker 2: Want to exercise difference.

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Speaker 6: I get it, but you know this is this is

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Speaker 6: your house.

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Speaker 5: First and foremost. You got to get active in free agency.

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Speaker 5: And it's not simply the quantity. It is the quality.

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Speaker 5: It's it's not about you know, bringing in four running

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Speaker 5: backs between you know.

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Speaker 2: May Fils the currency right May first.

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Speaker 5: And in July fifteenth and saying hey we did a lot,

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Speaker 5: we were active. No, it's about you know, doing things

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Speaker 5: like number one, looking internally and saying can we retain

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Speaker 5: Rico doubt or who deserves to be retained? Maybe comboying

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Speaker 5: him with Ashton or something like that.

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Speaker 2: In the draft.

877
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: But you got to get active in free agency internally,

878
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 5: but not using the internal retain or retentions as a

879
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: way of justifying not being active outside of the building.

880
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: So try to keep Eric Kendricks also diggi Zue Jordan Lewis.

881
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: To try to keep Rico. Try to keep those things

882
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: in the.

883
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 6: I know, I don't, I don't, but I enjoyed that.

884
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 6: I enjoyed.

885
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 8: I enjoyed the fact that did you set that up

886
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 8: on purpose just to get the music and just the world.

887
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 6: I love it.

888
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: It's chemistry.

889
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: Aren't you married to do Hispanic family rights what they are?

890
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: Ye, get active in free agency and honestly, let's just

891
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: keep it, Frank, ditch the excuses, all right, Because I

892
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: understand the salary cap is a thing.

893
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: I get it.

894
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 5: But for those of us, the capologists, we also understand

895
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 5: that it can be massaged and manipulated. So that's why

896
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 5: I'm not buying a lot of the things that get sold.

897
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 5: And I say it on the podcast, and I you know,

898
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: I say it in press conferences. I understand how it

899
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: can be finished. So retaining Osadiggie Zoo, for example, that

900
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: that would be a big one. Don't then look at

901
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 5: me and say, well, we did this, so we can't

902
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: do that. Well, actually you can, because here's a trigger. Here,

903
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: here's the trigger. There'll pull this, pull this, release this person.

904
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Make it work.

905
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 5: Right Howie Roseman does it in Philadelphia, Sean McVay and

906
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 5: those guys, they do it out in Los Angeles. It

907
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: can be done, so do it. So go out there

908
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: in free agency. There are gonna be some whales. We

909
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: understand that they're not going to go in free agency

910
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 5: the first wave and really get super active in that.

911
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 5: But if you give me one of those guys and

912
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: then several meaningful guys thereafter, as opposed to throwing throw

913
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 5: some running back names out there that we had last

914
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 5: year that didn't even make it through training camp.

915
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 6: It was like no on the team.

916
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 4: On the team, right, they were like, we.

917
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 5: Walked in the training camp with like ten running backs,

918
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: Boyce Freeman and Daniel.

919
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: Pee, Ollia P.

920
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 4: Davis, He's on still here.

921
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: But my point is you you quite literally had like

922
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 5: eight names, including Hunter lifty eight names, but how many

923
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: of those names were meaningful? Ezekiel Elliott was brought back

924
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: in the end, it turned out to be Rico Show,

925
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 5: which it should have been in the first place.

926
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

927
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: Don't just throw bodies at the problem, throw the right

928
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: bodies at the particular problems and kind of start from there.

929
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: We're not asking you to throw off the pie. Just

930
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 4: make a new pie.

931
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 5: I'm saying is an excuse because there's a way to

932
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 5: bake the pie where where it can be delicious and

933
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 5: everybody can eat, as opposed to saying, oh, well, I

934
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 5: only know how to make pumpkin.

935
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: Learn how to make apple, learn how to make cherry.

936
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: Like sweet potato pots, sweet sweet tighter.

937
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about that sweet tighter pie. It's

938
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: something good, is what it is.

939
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 5: Not it's rubarb, So respectfully, just make it work because

940
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: we've seen that other teams can make it work. So

941
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: look at what the enemies are doing. Look at what

942
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 5: the opponents are doing. Take the strategies that are helping

943
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 5: them be successful and their strategies they're using to beat you.

944
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: To adopt it, I mean, go ahead, answer well.

945
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Speaker 8: I also think I think a big part of it,

946
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 8: before you even get the free agency, is that the

947
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 8: guys you have here that you've invested in, like they've

948
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 8: got to take that leap, Like if Tyler Guiden doesn't

949
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 8: live in the weight room this year, then that's gonna

950
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 8: be on them or on Tyler Guiden. And I mean

951
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 8: that's he's got to want it. He's got to want

952
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 8: to do that. Like he's a first round pick and

953
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 8: they're not getting They didn't get the production.

954
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 6: They didn't get fifth.

955
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 8: Round production out of him. I mean really, I mean

956
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 8: they they they didn't. He Then the end of the

957
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 8: year with Chuma Idoga, I mean I thought that was

958
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 8: going to be a couple of weeks into training camp

959
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 8: and then he takes over and at the end of

960
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 8: the season, like week sixteen seventeen, he was a better

961
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 8: option for them to evaluate talent because because of just

962
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 8: how better he was as a player that you know.

963
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: Yet that can't happen so these other teams. Yeah, the

964
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 8: Cowboys have drafted well, but the last two years, your

965
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 8: first round picks are not guys that are even starting

966
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 8: all the time or competing for Pro Bowls or any

967
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: of that.

968
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 5: And you need guys, like you said, like Sam Williams

969
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 5: coming back from this injury. He was supposed to hit

970
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 5: last year, but he towards ACL. You need him to

971
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: hit this year. So that's a good that's a good.

972
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: One to pivot. This is my last question for the day,

973
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: obviously with the draft coming up, and I think, well,

974
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if we have the draft coming up anyways, sorry,

975
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: but not today. When it comes to the war room,

976
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 4: do we think shot he's going to have a more

977
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: of a say in the players that you're that you're

978
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 4: drafting than Mike McCarthy.

979
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't know about more. I mean, I don't

980
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 6: know about more than you.

981
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean the reason I say yes and

982
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: let's let's qualify it, or I should say let's quantify.

983
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 5: When I say more, I don't mean that it's guaranteed

984
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 5: to be light years ahead of what McCarthy's input was.

985
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: More in the aspect of what I.

986
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 5: Gleaned, one of the things I gleaned from the press

987
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 5: conference yesterday is Stephen this is taken from what Steven

988
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 5: was saying, is that they understand the position they're in

989
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 5: with Schottenheimer, right. They understand even when you talk about

990
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: how many times Jerry said risk and identifying Shotenheimer, they

991
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 5: understand that they got to put the pieces around Dak

992
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: Prescott and they got to put the coaching pieces around Schottenheimer.

993
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: This is a first time NFL head coach.

994
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 5: You, unlike with McCarthy, you don't have the luxury of

995
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: leaning on his Super Bowl ex in, one of the

996
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 5: winningest coaches in NFL history, to say, oh, we can

997
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 5: throw you some scraps and you can make this work.

998
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 5: You don't have that luxury. This is a new NFL

999
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 5: head coach, so you have to go in with a

1000
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: different mindset instead of yourself. We have to be more

1001
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 5: aggressive and all of the things that we do. Does

1002
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 5: that mean that we turn ourselves into the Eagles? Doubtful.

1003
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 5: But you can't continue to do what you've been doing

1004
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 5: and using the experience of your head coach as an

1005
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 5: excuse to not be aggressive, because the experience is not

1006
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 5: there anymore. So that's what I mean when I say yes,

1007
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: so doing some things differently. I do think they will

1008
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 5: go to Shotty more often and say, hey, what are

1009
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: you looking for?

1010
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: What do you need?

1011
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 5: Tommy talks a lot about alignment, and I love that

1012
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: he does. I think this will be a more direct

1013
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 5: alignment between Will McLay, Stephen Jones and the head coach,

1014
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 5: which currently is Brian Shotenhamer.

1015
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

1016
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 6: That's fair.

1017
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 8: I mean, I definitely think the thing about the draft though,

1018
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 8: is there's so many key players in free agency that

1019
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 8: they're just not going to resign them all. I think

1020
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 8: they're going to have some holes to fill in the

1021
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 8: draft that you don't want, that you don't want that

1022
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 8: you want to kind of band aid it up here

1023
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 8: in March and then when you get to April you

1024
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 8: can be able to take best player available. I just

1025
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 8: don't see that happening. I don't I don't see you know. So,

1026
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 8: if you don't resign Osa, I think you're going to

1027
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 8: have a problem at you don't resign Jordan Lewis with

1028
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 8: Diggs injuries, You're gonna have an issue at Corny Ken

1029
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 8: Kendricks at linebacker injuries, so you know, and then you

1030
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 8: look at Zach Martin potentially retiring, and then you know,

1031
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 8: just guidance not his development isn't there. So the lines

1032
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 8: an issue. All the running backs are free agents, that's

1033
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 8: that's gonna be a They're just not going to be

1034
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 8: able to piece this together in free agency to the

1035
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 8: point where I think there's gonna be holes in the draft.

1036
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 8: So that's why it's kind of hard to say what

1037
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 8: what happened it's.

1038
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: Going to be hard to be the team that uh

1039
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 4: picks the best player available.

1040
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: It don't have holes, regard less thing. And this is

1041
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: piggybacking off.

1042
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 6: Letus you have a lot of holes.

1043
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1044
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 8: Then then you're like, well, just you know, you can't

1045
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 8: you just best you know? I'll yeah, yeah, the best

1046
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 8: best you know, The best available need is what I

1047
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 8: always say. I always say it's banned. It's the best

1048
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 8: available need. And there's gonna be a lot of them.

1049
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to there's no way you're going into

1050
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 5: this draft without some kind of voids that need to

1051
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 5: be taken care of because you have such a long

1052
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: list of pending for free agents inside the building. So

1053
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 5: even if you keep Olsa Jordan and Eric Kendricks, for example,

1054
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 5: you still got the Zach Martin equation. You still got

1055
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: some depth issues because you don't know what Kayln Carson

1056
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 5: looks like in year two coming off of a season

1057
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 5: ended injury. You know, so forth and so on. But

1058
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 5: that being said again, if you go back to how

1059
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 5: to massage and manipulate the cap, you know it'll be

1060
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 5: sold to you as oh, well we have.

1061
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: To pay Michael. Well, if you pay Michaeh.

1062
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 5: Now, so you're actually free up tens of thousands, tens

1063
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars in salary cap space for twenty

1064
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 5: twenty five like immediately that you can then use to

1065
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 5: go shopping a free agency to help out at as

1066
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 5: far as your BPA or your band approaches concerned and

1067
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 5: free agency in the draft. So the sooner you get

1068
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 5: deals like Micah's done, the more cap savings you actually have.

1069
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: It's not until after the contract is about to expire

1070
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 5: that you do the extension. That's when you get penalized

1071
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 5: for waiting. So that's what I mean when I say,

1072
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 5: you know handle it how some other teams are handling it.

1073
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 5: Adopt some of their strategies. And it's not that none

1074
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 5: of your strategies are working. Some of them are right,

1075
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 5: but identify the ones that aren't, see who's doing that

1076
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: thing better, and then marry those two things.

1077
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: All right, boys, we're a few minutes over. That'll be

1078
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: it for talking talks. I know, it's talking storyline. We're

1079
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 4: leading into it. I know, I know. Thank you Nick

1080
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: even for joining us.

1081
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 6: It's been great.

1082
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: Thank you Kyle, thank you Tommy, thank you Isaiah, who's

1083
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: not here, shouts to my rich mocha.

1084
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 8: Are you going to Isaiah standback? Is he going to

1085
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 8: do the things? It's a trademark thing. You gotta do

1086
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 8: it for raw No, im good? What is that I

1087
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 8: was going to see?

1088
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

1089
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: Thank you for listening to Talking Cowboys on a Tuesday.

1090
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 4: We'll be back with you next week. Thanks for tuning

1091
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