Speaker 1: So we got an email from a woman named Kelly
Speaker 1: to our Pummies World show at Gmail account, and she said, Hi,
Speaker 1: I love the show and it's been so fun getting
Speaker 1: to know you all as people and not just your characters.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask this at the Dallas show,
Speaker 1: but the line was already super long before my cousin
Speaker 1: convinced me to ask, do you three know your Enneagram numbers?
Speaker 1: It's a personality test, but it really dives into your
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses, and it is so interesting. Every time
Speaker 1: I listen to your podcast, I can't help but guess
Speaker 1: your numbers. Writer is a four wing five, Danielle three
Speaker 1: wing two, and Will seven wing six.
Speaker 2: So for like five percent of our listeners or maybe
Speaker 2: ten percent, who.
Speaker 3: Maybe the ten percent math magician, that makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense, And there are people who are like agreeing,
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that means.
Speaker 4: Well, how many wings do?
Speaker 3: How many wings do I have to eat?
Speaker 4: You're in whatever it is? A hat.
Speaker 1: Writers four wing five is called the free spirit.
Speaker 4: And here's what it says.
Speaker 1: People with an Enneagram type four wing five personality tend
Speaker 1: to identify most with type fours, but may also relate
Speaker 1: to type fives. They are introspective, creative, and perceptive in
Speaker 1: their behavior. They want to form a deeper understanding of
Speaker 1: themselves and the world around them. They tend to be
Speaker 1: much less concerned with public image than other fours.
Speaker 4: So you're wing, I mean more than other fours.
Speaker 2: So isn't everybody concerned with their public image?
Speaker 4: I don't, okay, so I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: So okay, anyway, so your basic fear four wing fives
Speaker 1: fear having no impact on the world. They may be
Speaker 1: they maybe, but they seek recognition and admiration.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but see that means I do care about
Speaker 2: my public image, right.
Speaker 1: Right, But then there's a cost exactly just less than
Speaker 1: other fours. So the wings, it's like one through nine
Speaker 1: in a circle. Picture it like a pie. And whatever
Speaker 1: number you are, your wing has to be the number
Speaker 1: that's closest to that. So you could only be a
Speaker 1: four wing five or a four wing three, and maybe
Speaker 1: four wing three has a specific avenue that's like very
Speaker 1: concerned with public image, whereas like yours is concerned with
Speaker 1: it a little bit, but not.
Speaker 2: Che tauild so quickly that it just categorizes everything.
Speaker 3: I just I just heard.
Speaker 4: So your basic desire.
Speaker 1: They desire their own personal identity and may retreat within
Speaker 1: themselves to discover who they really are. Free spirits tend
Speaker 1: to defend themselves, either by withdrawing from others or adapting
Speaker 1: characteristics of loved ones.
Speaker 2: Does it say Type fours will reject this orgorization. If
Speaker 2: you are reading this to a type four, they will
Speaker 2: roll their eyes.
Speaker 4: And storm out.
Speaker 1: And do you want to know your strengths?
Speaker 4: Here are some of your strengths.
Speaker 1: Staying true to who you are, deeply rooted, curiosity and
Speaker 1: passion for knowledge, ability to connect deeply with yourself, and
Speaker 1: objective and creative problem solving.
Speaker 4: Do you want to know your weaknesses?
Speaker 2: I like all of these. I'm like, okay, I'll take those.
Speaker 2: If those are strengths.
Speaker 1: Here's your weaknesses withdrawing from those around them, difficulty focusing
Speaker 1: on real world problems, tendency to think too much about themselves,
Speaker 1: and struggling to follow rules or orders.
Speaker 3: There's also a smell.
Speaker 4: But surely.
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty practical problems, aren't I know?
Speaker 4: I do? I think?
Speaker 2: I I think I'm like, but I mean anything, you're
Speaker 2: very I definitely am way too focused on myself. I
Speaker 2: mean like compared to like you two, I withdraw, but
Speaker 2: I don't think. I like it's always funny because like
Speaker 2: I think, everywhere in my life I am considered like
Speaker 2: an extrovert and like very gregarious until I hang out
Speaker 2: with YouTube and then I'm like, oh no, no, no I am.
Speaker 2: I am like way more of an but like an
Speaker 2: there any other crowd, I'm like pretty outgoing. But it's
Speaker 2: when I hang out with YouTube that I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm definitely not as mainstream and gregarious and outgoing
Speaker 2: as these guys.
Speaker 4: So so funny, What am I?
Speaker 3: What? What can you do?
Speaker 4: So yeah, and there you go.
Speaker 1: Yours is called the pathfinder, So she suggest she thought
Speaker 1: that you were a seven wing six. Yours is called
Speaker 1: the pathfinder. What is an enneagram type seven? They are
Speaker 1: usually enthusiastic, responsible, and adventurous in their behavior.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I would call you adventure.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it involves wings, maybe adventures.
Speaker 3: I'm adventurous with eating.
Speaker 1: They enjoy pursuing new experiences, but are much more are
Speaker 1: able to stick to prior commitments than others.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I don't even need to read any more
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 2: Besides, we'll commit to anything more a week.
Speaker 4: Out fear of missing out. What Please do not contact me.
Speaker 2: I am I got my wife and my dog, my
Speaker 2: dog and my pie. I'm happy.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I thought it was very I thought it was
Speaker 1: very interesting. She suggested that I was a three wing two,
Speaker 1: and I did the test, and threes and ones are
Speaker 1: very similar, and I ended up being a one wing two.
Speaker 1: And the difference between a one and a three is
Speaker 1: that basically they're both horribly unfun and completely obsessed with
Speaker 1: detail and good at organizing and planning. But similar to
Speaker 1: how we talked about with writer caring about public perception,
Speaker 1: threes care very much about Like say, for example, you
Speaker 1: put a one and a three in charge of a
Speaker 1: big group project, the threes would want to be the
Speaker 1: people who would want to take kind of the shiny
Speaker 1: aspects of the project, like the ones that are going
Speaker 1: to be the most obvious to have helped the group
Speaker 1: and therefore and get the credit. And the ones are
Speaker 1: the people who are like, I don't care what you
Speaker 1: give me. Just give me tons of stuff and let
Speaker 1: me do it really well. I don't even care if
Speaker 1: it goes unnoticed.
Speaker 3: You I'm a one.
Speaker 1: So she was pretty close because she got a three,
Speaker 1: and threes and ones are similar.
Speaker 4: But I'm a one wing.
Speaker 1: Two, which is truly, from what I have read, just
Speaker 1: an absolutely awful person to be around. Just sounds really
Speaker 1: miserable to be one of those people.
Speaker 3: But here, I don't think you're awful to be around.
Speaker 3: But then again, I don't know because I don't leave
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 4: It's right, you have a fear of missing out on
Speaker 4: who I really am.
Speaker 3: You're of missing out on whatever's going on in my room.
Speaker 3: I'll have to take it then, because I'm obviously not
Speaker 3: a seven.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you because we know writer won't
Speaker 1: find but well, I want to find out what you are,
Speaker 1: so I'll send it to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4: Thanks. Well, welcome to pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel.
Speaker 2: I'm writer Wing four two.
Speaker 4: Right, what was I to four? No?
Speaker 2: A wing?
Speaker 3: You are five five five, and I'm will Fredell.
Speaker 2: Also, guys, when we started this podcast, I was recording
Speaker 2: from New York, if you remember, like our first couple episodes,
Speaker 2: and I was solo parenting because my wife was off
Speaker 2: in New York making a movie. And now it is
Speaker 2: finally coming out. Yeah, I know, it's been a long journey.
Speaker 2: She she's she produced the film. It's called Late Bloomers.
Speaker 2: It was she found the script and went through a
Speaker 2: million different rewrites, found the director, put the cast together.
Speaker 3: She this is like, this is her project.
Speaker 2: She raised all the money for it. She and her
Speaker 2: partner Taylor Feldner. They they're they're a producing team. They
Speaker 2: they this is their second film, but this one was
Speaker 2: truly theirs from the ground up. They went through the
Speaker 2: Sun Dance Labs with it, and it's a really really
Speaker 2: good little film. It stars Karen Gillen. It's coming out
Speaker 2: on June seventh, and I think, you know, like this
Speaker 2: recommendation is actually pretty accurate because it's a it's a
Speaker 2: comedy with a lot of heart. So I think boy
Speaker 2: means world fans will really like this film. It actually
Speaker 2: hits that sweet spot of like so it's a it's
Speaker 2: the story of a twenty eight year old who breaks
Speaker 2: her hip and so she ends up in in like
Speaker 2: rehab and gets kind of stuck with this Polish woman,
Speaker 2: this older Polish woman in her eighties who doesn't speak
Speaker 2: any English, and so it has this like it's like
Speaker 2: this buddy comedy between the two of them, and and
Speaker 2: then there's more drama to it, which I don't want
Speaker 2: to reveal, but there's a lot more going on in
Speaker 2: this twenty eight year old's life that you sort of
Speaker 2: learn about. So anybody who's ever dealt with Alzheimer's or
Speaker 2: any sort of aging situations, which is basically all of humanity,
Speaker 2: will really appreciate this film. And it's it's it's genuinely
Speaker 2: funny and genuinely good. So it comes out in five
Speaker 2: cities on June seventh. It's going to be in New York, LA, Dallas, Detroit,
Speaker 2: and Minneapolis. But then it's also coming out on vod
Speaker 2: right that same weekend, So please check it out. Like
Speaker 2: I think, like I said, I think as amazing.
Speaker 3: She's awesome.
Speaker 2: This is a really I mean, she's been able to
Speaker 2: show her comedy chops a few times, but this is
Speaker 2: really her shining moment as a comedian.
Speaker 3: And I mean Jumanji and Nebula, from all the Marvel things,
Speaker 3: she's one of my favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's huge. So it's like it's a little it's
Speaker 2: a little indie film, but I think, you know, this
Speaker 2: is a kind of movie that man in the nineties
Speaker 2: would have had a huge release and been a huge it.
Speaker 2: But in today's world, you know, it's a very niche thing.
Speaker 2: But I actually having sat you know, I ha'n't been
Speaker 2: through the whole process of making it and then sitting
Speaker 2: in the audience in theaters at festivals. You know, I
Speaker 2: liked the movie, but I really loved it when I
Speaker 2: saw it with other people and it's released. It's like
Speaker 2: one of those films that speaks to older people and
Speaker 2: younger people at the same time. So I've found myself
Speaker 2: seeing it for like the fifth time with a crowd
Speaker 2: just bawling. So it really has like, it really has
Speaker 2: an emotional impact and a thematic resonance that I think
Speaker 2: will speak to a lot of people. But it's it's
Speaker 2: super fun too, So Late Bloomers check.
Speaker 1: It out Late Bloomers June seventh in theaters and then
Speaker 1: on VOD a week later, So check that out.
Speaker 4: Thank you for sharing with us, writer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is your life Tour for a teenage writer
Speaker 1: Strong continues this week as we once again make a
Speaker 1: wish come true for our beloved co host, who I
Speaker 1: still think has a low key motive to meet all
Speaker 1: of his childhood heroes through pod meets World.
Speaker 4: Somehow more than just a nineties icon.
Speaker 1: This week's guest is the first artist without a recording
Speaker 1: contract to have ever hit number one on Billboard's Hot
Speaker 1: one hundred and coincidentally, that anniversary hit just days before
Speaker 1: we are speaking to her today, and that one twist
Speaker 1: of fate, pure talent meeting opportunity to create a legendary
Speaker 1: song spawned into an unbelievable career that continues to thrive today.
Speaker 1: Over a dozen studio albums, with two of them going
Speaker 1: gold back to back, numerous tours around the world, a
Speaker 1: radio show on SiriusXM, acting gigs on the House of
Speaker 1: Haunted Hill, Gossip Girl, Fright Night Community, and Hallmark's Hanukkah
Speaker 1: on Rye, a Food Network show at one time, her
Speaker 1: own dating show in two thousand six. Two children's books
Speaker 1: and five kids music albums, one of them Grammy winning.
Speaker 1: Two plays that she produced and composed music for a
Speaker 1: voiceover career heard in places like CNN and Chili's commercials,
Speaker 1: a signature eyeglass line available at Costco, her own coffee brand,
Speaker 1: A New York Times crossword puzzle she co constructed. Oh,
Speaker 1: and she also runs a nonprofit charity summer camp for
Speaker 1: disadvantaged children. Is there anything this lady cannot do? Well,
Speaker 1: Let's ask her and make her admit her weaknesses. This
Speaker 1: week's guest is a true legend. Let's hang out with
Speaker 1: the singer songwriter first discovered on the Reality Byte soundtrack
Speaker 1: with her song Stay It's Lisa Loebe Hey, hi.
Speaker 4: Guy, are you are good to see you again? Mess
Speaker 4: you too? Well.
Speaker 1: I want to first thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: here to do our podcast, but also for performing at
Speaker 1: was truly one of our very first ever live shows
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three, when we when iHeart and
Speaker 1: Hundai told us that they were going to get you
Speaker 1: to perform.
Speaker 4: Writer really thought he was being pranked.
Speaker 1: Writer, do you want to do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about where your fandom for Lisa first started?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think it was. It was just
Speaker 2: the perfect timing. So Tales came out in ninety five, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my gosh, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the end of that year is when I
Speaker 2: got my driver's license and that album just became the
Speaker 2: altim I mean, especially back then when you only could
Speaker 2: have like one CD and at a time, it was
Speaker 2: like my driving album. So my entire like all of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six was you know, me sixteen years old,
Speaker 2: driving everywhere up and down the state of California, listening
Speaker 2: to Tails non stop. And so yeah, so it's so
Speaker 2: and it's like the best driving music. But it's also
Speaker 2: like so many great lyars, which of course I've always
Speaker 2: been a lyrics guy, and I just like I started
Speaker 2: listening back to it the last few days and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I know every word of
Speaker 2: this and I have so many great memories associated with it.
Speaker 2: It's such like a great driving album. So that was like, really,
Speaker 2: it just like got into my soul.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love that. That makes me feel
Speaker 4: so happy. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, his connection to your music should shock absolutely
Speaker 1: no one who listens to this podcast. Because Lisa has
Speaker 1: a degree in comparative literature from Brown She also used
Speaker 1: to be in a band called nine Stories, named after
Speaker 1: a JD.
Speaker 4: Salinger book. So to put you on the spot, Lisa,
Speaker 4: what is your favorite book? Oh, my gosh, my favorite book.
Speaker 4: I've got so many books that I read. I'm looking
Speaker 4: over there. I've got I read hundreds of hundreds of books.
Speaker 4: I really like, well, I did, I do and did
Speaker 4: love Nine Stories, the book of short stories by JD. Salingers.
Speaker 4: I named my band after them. And I really am
Speaker 4: like looking at my library app to see all the
Speaker 4: books that I've read.
Speaker 2: Do you have any?
Speaker 4: I mean, author wise, I've been really into Elizabeth Stroud
Speaker 4: lately Stroud or Stroud see even my brain. It's hard
Speaker 4: to always name like a favorite. That's just not possible.
Speaker 4: But wait a minute, writer, do you have the library app? No?
Speaker 4: I didn't know listen because you have one for movies?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you do do?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Letter most is like the best way to organize what
Speaker 2: movies you've watched and rating them and whatnot. But I
Speaker 2: haven't found the book app that I can use like
Speaker 2: good Reads, I just don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't use Goodreads either because it's under
Speaker 4: my husband's name and so all the books I read
Speaker 4: go under his account on Amazon, and then I can't
Speaker 4: really I don't really feel like making comments anyway. Elizabeth
Speaker 4: Strout has written a bunch of books that I'm sort
Speaker 4: of obsessed with, including when they made a TV show
Speaker 4: about called Olive Kittridge, which is really great. It was
Speaker 4: a great TV Well, I think I watched the show,
Speaker 4: but I read the books. I read for sure, and
Speaker 4: I love them. But oh my gosh, there's so many
Speaker 4: books and authors David Sadaris. Oh, I love David Sadaris books.
Speaker 4: I mean those are those are totally different types of books. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a graphic novel by and also my brain I
Speaker 4: can't remember names, which is really bad, you guys, I'm
Speaker 4: the exact same very bad people that I love. Ros
Speaker 4: Chast the cartoonist, wrote a book called Uh Can't We
Speaker 4: talk about something more pleasant? And it's very like bitter, sweet,
Speaker 4: funny but sad, about taking care of her elder parents,
Speaker 4: and it's elderly parents and it's a graphic novel because
Speaker 4: she's a cartoonist. That's those are really good books. I've
Speaker 4: also weirdly, I found a book underneath No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't find it underneath the sofa. It looks like
Speaker 4: something I would find underneath the sofa. I asked my
Speaker 4: friend Rich, who I did a bunch of records with
Speaker 4: Rich Jack's We made a bunch of records together, and
Speaker 4: I was he likes to read, and so I said, oh,
Speaker 4: can I borrow a book? Cause I like to read
Speaker 4: an actual book, not like an app And so he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you could read read this, And he handed me this
Speaker 4: book I could show. I have a bunch of them
Speaker 4: back there. But he handed me this book that looks
Speaker 4: like you'd find under like somebody's sofa at like a
Speaker 4: timeshare at the Jersey Shore that somebody's uncle left, like
Speaker 4: the most boring looking cover you ever saw, terrible like
Speaker 4: thick paperback. And it's historic fiction. And I was like,
Speaker 4: this is going to be terrible. Why did he give
Speaker 4: this to me? And I started reading and I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4: It's Ken Follett and he's done like a trilogy trilogies
Speaker 4: of books about like the Renaissance and the medieval times.
Speaker 4: And but you go down these like these great plots
Speaker 4: about all these people and it happens to be historic fiction.
Speaker 4: And he's sent a couple of different trilogies, and then
Speaker 4: he wrote a prequel to one of them, and he
Speaker 4: just wrote a new follow up, so they're really like thick.
Speaker 1: Weirdly, he wrote the Pillars of the Earth, right, yes, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 1: you just get like totally sucked in, right, Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you get sucked.
Speaker 4: In but I do.
Speaker 1: I also love to read, so and that question putting
Speaker 1: me on the spot with my favorite book.
Speaker 4: I would have any books you can recommend it. I
Speaker 4: actually just wrote a whole long list of Alice Monroe
Speaker 4: books that I need to read, and then some I
Speaker 4: can't remember, and I start reading them and I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 4: this feels really familiar, and then I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I've already read this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I read mine back here. But this is these
Speaker 3: are all wizards and sorcery and dragons fantasy. If you're
Speaker 3: not into that kind of stuff, then none of those
Speaker 3: are going to be good for.
Speaker 4: I'm not good with sorcery. I don't mind science fiction
Speaker 4: when it's Twilight Zony, like strange, something strange is happening, right,
Speaker 4: like a family's locked on a spaceship and they don't
Speaker 4: know if and then like are they actually anyway? I'm
Speaker 4: not going to ruin the plot on that, but I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not into wizards and stuff enough.
Speaker 2: They're also like all nine hundred pages will which is
Speaker 2: such a good ef It.
Speaker 3: Should be sixteen seventeen books long, one thousand pages each night.
Speaker 3: By the way, in my head, the library app you
Speaker 3: just keep it on when you're reading an occasion just
Speaker 3: goes really that's all. No, I'm just saying that's.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, yeah, I used to love this. Anyway.
Speaker 4: This is not a list, is not a book book podcast. Anyway,
Speaker 4: there's this other book I like. I just there's so
Speaker 4: many books. I'm like, oh gosh, I forgot to tell
Speaker 4: you about this one or that one. But so these
Speaker 4: are some of my favorites, not my favorite, not like
Speaker 4: my only favorites. Yeah, you know we didn't give a song.
Speaker 4: You can't TV show, No you can't, you can't. Well,
Speaker 4: will can pick match.
Speaker 3: I can pick mash is my favorite. I think I
Speaker 3: have a favorite song really yeah, the masch My song
Speaker 3: No I Will by Pink Floyd is my favorite song
Speaker 3: of all.
Speaker 4: It's a really good song, one of.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, it's like the best song ever written in
Speaker 3: my opinion. That's just one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: It's really good. It really gets you. But there's so
Speaker 4: many songs that get you like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, we are basically talking to you after
Speaker 1: like forty eight hours after the thirtieth anniversary of Stay
Speaker 1: speaking of truly perfect songs, and that anniversary made you
Speaker 1: the first independent artist to hit number one on Billboard's
Speaker 1: Hot one hundred.
Speaker 4: I'm sure this was a label.
Speaker 3: That's yes, amazing.
Speaker 4: It's very excit. I can't believe thirty years have gone by.
Speaker 4: I've gotten a lot of people on social media just like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you know, as it relates to them,
Speaker 4: like weird, what thirty years because it doesn't seem that
Speaker 4: far ago, you know, in some ways, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's such a long time ago, and I know, it's
Speaker 4: really weird. And I was hanging out with my friend
Speaker 4: who I was in a band with all through college,
Speaker 4: So we started in a band in nineteen eighty six together,
Speaker 4: and I was making music before that. And some of
Speaker 4: the songs like on Tales I wrote during college, they
Speaker 4: were written in like eighty eight or like eighty seven,
Speaker 4: eighty eight, and it's so strange. They're just so much
Speaker 4: older even than Stay. But the song's Stay has meant
Speaker 4: so much to me. I mean, it's kind of a
Speaker 4: weird song because there's no chorus, really, and it was
Speaker 4: also a lot more personal than a lot of the
Speaker 4: other songs that I had written at that point, Like
Speaker 4: I tried to my lyrics were shrouded in mystery, but
Speaker 4: for me, that one was actually like I could tell
Speaker 4: my well, he's not my ex boyfriend from a very
Speaker 4: long time ago, Juan Patino. He knows that it was
Speaker 4: like inspired by like arguments we were having. We were
Speaker 4: also working together making the records. We co produced the records,
Speaker 4: and so it was more personal. It does veer off
Speaker 4: in a lot of weird directions, but it became a
Speaker 4: good song to be one of my most successful songs
Speaker 4: because it was so weird, and it gave me that
Speaker 4: freedom to just sort of go with my gut and
Speaker 4: do what I feel like I need to do when
Speaker 4: I'm trying to write songs, because sometimes you can try,
Speaker 4: you know, when something fits more in a box, you
Speaker 4: feel like you have to go back to that box
Speaker 4: over and over again to recreate that in order to
Speaker 4: have some kind of success.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, when the song first started having
Speaker 1: all of its success, were you able to enjoy it
Speaker 1: while it was happening, Like, what are some of your
Speaker 1: most salient memories of around that time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was lucky that the aforementioned Juan
Speaker 4: Bettino was working with me because he's a very nostalgic
Speaker 4: person to the point where he knows we better have
Speaker 4: nostalgic moments in the moment so that when we look back,
Speaker 4: we can have those nostalgic moments, you know, like capturing moments.
Speaker 4: So having somebody who recognized the specialness of it happening,
Speaker 4: we were able to because it was also a whirlwind.
Speaker 4: You know, when you become you're part of a successful thing.
Speaker 4: You're busy doing that thing. You were having your hair done,
Speaker 4: you were doing those you're memorizing your lines, you're playing concerts,
Speaker 4: you're actually doing the thing. And I was working on
Speaker 4: my next record. I was already a musician for years
Speaker 4: and years and years, so I was following up on
Speaker 4: that and all the business stuff that comes with it.
Speaker 4: And like the people who were interested in wanting to
Speaker 4: sign me, now they'd gotten more serious, and all those
Speaker 4: people were really setting more specific meetings with their upper
Speaker 4: the people who were in charge of them, and my
Speaker 4: attorneys and my band, and we were touring to support
Speaker 4: the single and looking forward to getting a record deal,
Speaker 4: because at that time, getting a record deal was like
Speaker 4: the thing that you get in order to like know
Speaker 4: that that's your job. And as much as I did
Speaker 4: have a couple of people around me. You thought I
Speaker 4: had changed so much, you know, I changed the sixth
Speaker 4: I was on TV because it changed changes you. I
Speaker 4: was like, no, God, this is like, finally, this is happening.
Speaker 4: I've been working towards this, and it's been little, step
Speaker 4: by step by step for years and years. But in
Speaker 4: the middle of that, I do have such good friends
Speaker 4: from when I was little, Like you know, some of
Speaker 4: my newer friends are like high school friends, like I
Speaker 4: have friends. I have one best friend I've had since
Speaker 4: I was born, were our moms were pregnant and friends.
Speaker 4: My friend who I celebrated her birthday yesterday, we were
Speaker 4: best friends since between second and third grade. So I've
Speaker 4: had so many different friends and people who are part
Speaker 4: of my life as friends. Some of them are people
Speaker 4: I worked with who are now who are also my friends.
Speaker 4: Some people are my friends who I ended up working with,
Speaker 4: like a friend of mine who ended up giving me
Speaker 4: voice lessons for years. So I had a lot of
Speaker 4: people in it with me, you know, sort of anchor
Speaker 4: you yeah, And I'm just like be I'm a very
Speaker 4: anchored person, and I in fact need to celebrate more
Speaker 4: and be more like floating up into the breed. The
Speaker 4: breeze and like not paying attention. But I did have
Speaker 4: a lot of friends that I could celebraterate with and
Speaker 4: pay attention to what was going on at the time
Speaker 4: and call my mom and be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: this is happening. That being said, late lately, especially with
Speaker 4: this thirtieth anniversary, I do have either fans or friends.
Speaker 4: And also with all the social media, there's a lot
Speaker 4: more interaction put interaction emails, social media, a lot of
Speaker 4: people reminding me of times that I might have met
Speaker 4: them or did things with them, or things that we did,
Speaker 4: or seeing pictures of things that I just I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I mean I remember kind of, but like there are
Speaker 4: so many memories to remember. It was such as it's
Speaker 4: been a very dense time that time period. But I
Speaker 4: did enjoy it. It was it was really exciting and
Speaker 4: of course at the same time, you know, as the
Speaker 4: as a young artist, as a young I was like
Speaker 4: in my I was like twenty six, I'd been doing
Speaker 4: it seriously for years. I was a couple of years
Speaker 4: out of college or actually when when Stay went on
Speaker 4: the charts, I graduated in ninety and that was on
Speaker 4: the charts in ninety five, but they signed, you know,
Speaker 4: they put it on the soundtrack in ninety three. The
Speaker 4: song was written in ninety one or two. But it's
Speaker 4: just there's always so much happening it's hard to take
Speaker 4: it all in.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, we know that you had been
Speaker 1: friends with Ethan Hawk, who gave it to Ben Stiller
Speaker 1: for Reality Bites. When did you learn that it was
Speaker 1: going to be the song for the end credits.
Speaker 4: I didn't really know it was the song for the
Speaker 4: end credits until I was in the movie. I got
Speaker 4: a call when I was working at I was like
Speaker 4: doing a temp job. I think at Ernst and Young.
Speaker 4: I may be confusing it with another like financially large company.
Speaker 4: I was doing a lot of temp work in New York.
Speaker 4: I'd gone back to school to site to grad school
Speaker 4: and psychology at NYU, but soon thereafter realized I needed
Speaker 4: to do sort of more random, noncommittal jobs while I
Speaker 4: was really focusing on being a musician full time. But
Speaker 4: temp jobs were great because I could type pretty fast,
Speaker 4: and they let me use their Xerox machines to make
Speaker 4: flyers for my band, and it got me out of
Speaker 4: bed at a normal hour. But anyway, I remember telling
Speaker 4: the bosses. I had gotten a call from Ron Fair,
Speaker 4: who was the record executive at RCA, telling me that.
Speaker 4: And I had met Ron Fair because somebody who worked
Speaker 4: under him at EMI Records while I was in college
Speaker 4: wanted to sign us to their label in college, and
Speaker 4: Ron Fair was like, no, not today. And my friend
Speaker 4: who worked at EMI was fired and we were not
Speaker 4: signed to EMI. But anyway, so I had already known
Speaker 4: this executive, but he called me and we were so excited.
Speaker 4: He said that the song was going to be on
Speaker 4: the soundtrack, which I was excited about, but I didn't
Speaker 4: know where it was in the movie until the movie
Speaker 4: came out. We went to a very like low key
Speaker 4: movie premiere. It wasn't one of these big Hollywood premiers.
Speaker 4: It was like low key, little red carpet, you know,
Speaker 4: because there were a lot of real authentic key people involved,
Speaker 4: like Ethan and Ben Stiller and went on writer and
Speaker 4: Steve Zah and Jenny Garoffalo and all these folks who
Speaker 4: are a little bit more like you know, not yeah
Speaker 4: and so but anyway, so we went to the premiere
Speaker 4: and we were sitting in the seats watching the movie,
Speaker 4: and the song never came on. You're like, oh no,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm so embarrassed. Luckily it wasn't
Speaker 4: like I said, a huge premiere with my friends and family.
Speaker 4: Was like some friends, and I was just like almost sweating.
Speaker 4: I could feel my heart beating. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is so embarrassing. Maybe it was there and I didn't
Speaker 4: hear it, like it was one of those songs you
Speaker 4: barely hear somebody's call coming from another room while they're
Speaker 4: having a loud conversation in the bathroom at the bar.
Speaker 4: And then finally at the end and weirdly, people stuck
Speaker 4: around like all of a sudden, I heard you Doo doo,
Speaker 4: and I was like, it was like the second end credit.
Speaker 4: So it was good because they played the entire song,
Speaker 4: but it was like, you know, I could imagine my
Speaker 4: mom being in the theater and being like everyone's day
Speaker 4: the song. So nervous. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: it's not this is one of those things where it's
Speaker 4: like cutting room floor, this is the cutting room floor.
Speaker 4: But it was there, and it was really exciting to
Speaker 4: hear it over the loud speakers and to be a
Speaker 4: part of it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And they did play the whole song, which is
Speaker 3: you almost never get an entire song I know, which.
Speaker 4: Is also now kind of a sad thing because on Netflix,
Speaker 4: you know, it goes boom right to the next movie,
Speaker 4: right when.
Speaker 2: The shrinks down to the corner, and you're like, wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, well, I think I still yet residuals
Speaker 4: for that song, even though you don't always hear it anymore.
Speaker 4: And in a couple of times in music festivals they've
Speaker 4: played my music video at the beginning, which hopefully they
Speaker 4: will now because we just remastered the video. We got
Speaker 4: to work with Universal and there's Universal Music, and there's
Speaker 4: people who can like go back to old source material
Speaker 4: and fix because our video that was up my video
Speaker 4: for Stay was like I feel like it was like a
Speaker 4: copy of a copy of a video cassette that they
Speaker 4: threw up there, and we could never get the real quality.
Speaker 4: Everybody's always like, oh, I love your black dress. I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's not black, it's green, you know. I like your
Speaker 4: black glasses. I'm like their tortoise shell they're not black.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we were able to remaster the video so
Speaker 4: it's out like the newer version. It still looks and
Speaker 4: feels like itself, which was like a big philosophical conundrum,
Speaker 4: like does it feel like itself? Does it feel like itself?
Speaker 4: Even though it's like you know, they went in with
Speaker 4: a Q tip and like cleaned it up.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: That music video is unfor get a bowl. It was
Speaker 1: directed by Ethan Hawk. It was done in one take.
Speaker 1: What do you remember from shooting it? And how many
Speaker 1: times did you have to do it just to nail it?
Speaker 4: I did it, I don't. I don't remember the exact number.
Speaker 4: This is where I would ask Kawan Patina, like how
Speaker 4: many times? She'd be like we shot it nine times?
Speaker 4: Or hey, he would remember how many times? I also
Speaker 4: remember I remember the miracle bra. I mean, is that
Speaker 4: what's called? Course? I think I want a wonder bra.
Speaker 4: That was like my big push up, even though I
Speaker 4: still look like tiny. It was I think I was
Speaker 4: wearing a wonderbra. I was wearing a Betsy Johnson dress
Speaker 4: that Betsy Johnson herself hemmed for me. She helped me
Speaker 4: make it that really short. All my dresses I liked
Speaker 4: wearing very very short as possible powerful you know, superpower
Speaker 4: rock musician. Look Also for shorter ladies, A short dress
Speaker 4: just makes you look tall. Yeah, it looks like a
Speaker 4: child's shirt when you hang it in the closet, but
Speaker 4: in reality it's an entire dress. It's like three feet
Speaker 4: long total. And then also I remember the lipstick. I
Speaker 4: wore the maclip stick for the first time, and Spice
Speaker 4: was the lippencil. Everybody was very bad and I killed
Speaker 4: my lips because it was Matt lipstick and my lips
Speaker 4: were like dead. After that, I did a middle part,
Speaker 4: which was weird for me, which is now very hip,
Speaker 4: but I did not wear middle part back then. I
Speaker 4: was more of a side party person. But we did
Speaker 4: the middle part. But I also remember I was very
Speaker 4: headstrong because Ethan had this great idea and he'd hired
Speaker 4: this amazing DP named Tom Richmond, who passed over the
Speaker 4: last couple of years, which was sad. Tom had shot
Speaker 4: the movie Midnight Clear that Ethan worked on, which was
Speaker 4: this gorgeous movie, and he had hired this like real
Speaker 4: film DP to shoot it. And Ethan had already shown
Speaker 4: me in his apartment like months earlier, like what that
Speaker 4: concept was, and we had mapped it all out in
Speaker 4: this place, so we knew what we were doing. But
Speaker 4: I was really headstrong in the fact that I'm like,
Speaker 4: I not only I am, I have a band. I'm
Speaker 4: like a real musician. I'm not like a pop singer.
Speaker 4: I have a band. I played guitar. I want them
Speaker 4: in the video. That was the reason I had a
Speaker 4: band name Nine Stories, Lisa lib and nine Stories, because
Speaker 4: if it was just Lisa Lobe and you saw me
Speaker 4: with the acoustic guitar at that time, you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: she's a folk singer. But I wasn't a folks singer.
Speaker 4: I like rock bands, and that's you know. I was
Speaker 4: more of a you know, Pink Floyd led Zeppelin, the Police,
Speaker 4: the Cure. I like some singer songwriters, but I really
Speaker 4: felt more attracted to my rock roots. And I was like,
Speaker 4: you have to be able to show this is like
Speaker 4: my first I'd made music videos before, like in college,
Speaker 4: but this was my first big deal like music video.
Speaker 4: I was like, we have to shoot the band and
Speaker 4: I have to play guitar. So he I forget the word,
Speaker 4: but he let me do that. We shot a bunch
Speaker 4: of takes with me and the band and me playing guitar,
Speaker 4: and when we went in to try to edit a
Speaker 4: few versions with that, it just totally it was an
Speaker 4: horrible idea didn't work at all. So I had to
Speaker 4: like sacrifice my vision, my vision and also my like
Speaker 4: identification as myself. I'm like there, I was. I've never
Speaker 4: let other than being like a musicals and stuff when
Speaker 4: I was in college and in high school sing without
Speaker 4: a guitar, I'm a guitar player and I'm a singer,
Speaker 4: and so it was very weird walking around like this,
Speaker 4: you know, other person. But it made a stronger vision,
Speaker 4: and it did it made a much better video, and
Speaker 4: it was fun to like mess around with later in life,
Speaker 4: you know, with funny TV commercials and other things. But
Speaker 4: it just really made it told the story so much
Speaker 4: better what he wanted to do. So we went with
Speaker 4: the artistic vision, which is very Ethan and very me
Speaker 4: in the end, even though being aware of like how
Speaker 4: I wanted to present myself, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: and I had to battle with that for years, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, no, I really am a musician. I'm not
Speaker 4: pretending to. Yeah, well, well.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me, like looking back on the music
Speaker 2: of the nineties in general, but particularly like the female
Speaker 2: led singer songwriters of the nineties, you're really quite an
Speaker 2: anomaly in that you're not always angry and you know
Speaker 2: you don't have that like sort of Alanis Morse at
Speaker 2: edge or an a Franco like misery, and it's did
Speaker 2: you ever feel pressure? I mean, was there ever pressure
Speaker 2: from your label or to be more sort of like
Speaker 2: fitting the mold of like the rest.
Speaker 4: No, really, not really And also maybe they even did,
Speaker 4: and I didn't notice it because I'm so like focused
Speaker 4: on what I want to do and just that's the
Speaker 4: way I look at life. I'm like a person who
Speaker 4: I'm like Woody Allen of songwriting, like sort of overthinking
Speaker 4: and erotic and like what about this? Well, maybe they do.
Speaker 4: Let you know, I had my song do You Sleep,
Speaker 4: which was written earlier, which was all the different things
Speaker 4: like I'm so sad you know we're not together anymore,
Speaker 4: but but do you still think about me? But you
Speaker 4: know you ruin my life? You know, just like the
Speaker 4: back and forth that you actually go through in your mind.
Speaker 4: That's that's more my style, more sort of in my
Speaker 4: head with definitely anger and sadness and depression and all
Speaker 4: those things. But it's just not my style exactly to
Speaker 4: be like that, that's not my thing.
Speaker 3: Back taking it back to the beginning. Do you remember
Speaker 3: finding music in your life? Do you remember kind of
Speaker 3: the first music that you listened to that put you
Speaker 3: on this path.
Speaker 4: Or everything, everything from when I was a baby. I mean,
Speaker 4: my mom says that that she used to play my
Speaker 4: older brother classical music when she was pregnant with him,
Speaker 4: and he ended up being a classical pianist. And I
Speaker 4: was like, what did you play for me? She's like, well,
Speaker 4: we were in the car. We were listening to like
Speaker 4: something about a Stairway to Heaven, and you know, like
Speaker 4: we listened to what was on the radio. I listened
Speaker 4: to a lot of soft pop through the seventies, even
Speaker 4: the music like on the little Fisher Price little plastic
Speaker 4: record player. I would hear those songs and they would
Speaker 4: just break my heart. Some of them were so beautiful,
Speaker 4: those little music box songs and songs and synagogue and
Speaker 4: songs my dad would play on the piano, Raindrops keep
Speaker 4: Falling in your Head and old timey songs like Don't
Speaker 4: Fence Me In and It's Funny. I just I just
Speaker 4: made a record of all those old times. Not rain Drops,
Speaker 4: but some of the more old sort of forties and fifties, sixties, songs.
Speaker 4: I made a record with a band called The Hollow
Speaker 4: Trees that we've started putting out songs. But ever since
Speaker 4: I was little, music just really it struck me. I
Speaker 4: don't know, I mean really little, you know, before you
Speaker 4: even remember. I remember that. I remember a housekeeper vacuuming
Speaker 4: and she was playing Mamas and the Papas and kind
Speaker 4: of doing this groovy dance. And I was looking at
Speaker 4: the cover with the split I don't know, there's like
Speaker 4: a cover with all the band members and it's it's
Speaker 4: dye cut. It's split in half and you can switch
Speaker 4: the faces the top of their faces and faces depending
Speaker 4: on how you look at it. And I would just
Speaker 4: stare at that, and you know, Sergeant Pepper and Queen
Speaker 4: and all of it. I was just obsessed. And the
Speaker 4: clock radio, the clock radio, Bread and the Beg's and like, yeah,
Speaker 4: have you never been Mello? You know, Livy Neton John
Speaker 4: and everyone knows it's windy, like rock the Boat and
Speaker 4: old disco and R and B and just.
Speaker 3: Everything by the way, I mean, people like people are
Speaker 3: are starting to go back and listen to the Begi's
Speaker 3: and Mama's Soca and just kind of go, oh wow,
Speaker 3: we missed an entire genre of music. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: because the Beg's especially were given such hell for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they disco, Oh they did all this. But when you
Speaker 3: actually look at the Beg's catalog, I mean they were
Speaker 3: it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's that kind of music is coming back.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. Yeah, that's kind of the stuff that
Speaker 3: you were gravitating towards.
Speaker 4: Its great Well, it was just great melodies and great songs,
Speaker 4: and anyway, I'm obsessed. There's just so much music that
Speaker 4: you get when you're little. My parents had a lot
Speaker 4: of music playing in the house all the time. So
Speaker 4: do you still enjoy performing stay? Do you have to
Speaker 4: do little tricks or changes for yourself to keep it
Speaker 4: fresh and fun?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I mean it's not an easy song to sing, so
Speaker 4: that's a little scary. I can always it's I play
Speaker 4: it with a kapo, which means I could make it
Speaker 4: lower and lower, but it doesn't. It doesn't doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: make it easier. It's hard to sing. And there's a
Speaker 4: couple of lyrics where I'm like, oh, I got really
Speaker 4: off track on this, but but it's still I understand.
Speaker 4: It means something to somebody, and I do listen to
Speaker 4: a lot of I mean, I listen to a lot
Speaker 4: of music that it always doesn't make sense percent, but
Speaker 4: there's a whole thing about it, and I love the
Speaker 4: audience is really excited to hear it, and I appreciate
Speaker 4: what it's done for me in my career and the
Speaker 4: freedom and the freedom creative freedom, and the opportunities to
Speaker 4: travel and play with other people. It's just it means
Speaker 4: a lot to me, and it is pretty representative of
Speaker 4: the kind of songs I enjoy writing, so you know,
Speaker 4: it's something I enjoyed doing. I forgot to play it.
Speaker 4: The other night. I was playing a concert with Lyle
Speaker 4: love It. We did a whole tour and we were
Speaker 4: both on stage. He would play a song and talk
Speaker 4: and we'd talk to each other and I'd play a song,
Speaker 4: kind of like songwriters thing, and we got a call
Speaker 4: from the but there was no set list and we
Speaker 4: were just playing what we felt like playing. And about
Speaker 4: halfway through the tour, I got a call from the
Speaker 4: promoters saying people were a little disappointed that I hadn't
Speaker 4: played Stay, and I totally forgot. I forgot. Normally somebody
Speaker 4: might yell it out like I don't usually I stop.
Speaker 4: I don't play it on my when I do children's
Speaker 4: shows because I have a lot of family friendly music.
Speaker 4: I wasn't playing it in my children's show, and then
Speaker 4: I realized after the fact, parents were like, oh, why
Speaker 4: didn't you play that. I'm like, if somebody I even
Speaker 4: open it up to request, if somebody requests a grown
Speaker 4: up song, I'll play it. But I love playing it.
Speaker 4: I didn't not play it on purpose. I'm not mad
Speaker 4: at it. I'm very happy about it. I just got
Speaker 4: busy playing other songs. But it means so much to me,
Speaker 4: and I know it means a lot to other people.
Speaker 4: I know what some of my favorite pop songs mean
Speaker 4: to me, so if they don't play those songs, I'm
Speaker 4: really annoyed, and I think it's really irresponsible for those
Speaker 4: musics and musicians to ignore me and not play my
Speaker 4: favorite songs.
Speaker 2: When I say down, you know, do you ever change
Speaker 2: the lyrics?
Speaker 4: Not on purpose. I've had, unfortunately brain moments where I
Speaker 4: used to. Actually I remember doing a promotional tour with
Speaker 4: duezl Zappa, which was probably six or seven years after
Speaker 4: the song came out, and i'd been singing the song
Speaker 4: for years before it came out, and we were in
Speaker 4: some radio promo and it was early in the morning,
Speaker 4: and I would get halfway through the song and I
Speaker 4: I would have no idea what was happening, and then
Speaker 4: I would skip parts and I would just and then
Speaker 4: I had to like really think about it and realize
Speaker 4: the song was so weird that if I didn't think
Speaker 4: about it and just sung it, it would just lead
Speaker 4: me to the next part, to the next part, to
Speaker 4: the next part. And I couldn't leave out a verse,
Speaker 4: which I do sometimes in songs because it can't it's
Speaker 4: not possible. But yeah, sometimes I can't think about it
Speaker 4: too hard, Yeah, because I'll forget it. It's bad.
Speaker 1: Well, after Tales and Firecracker, you were also a part
Speaker 1: of the legendary Lilith Fair Tour in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: a show that helped define an entire generation of singer songwriters.
Speaker 1: So I know I'm about to read a lot of names,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to read the list of fellow mainstage artists.
Speaker 1: You shared the bill with Fiona Apple, Tracy Bonham, Meredith Brooks,
Speaker 1: The Cardigans, Mary Mary Chapin Carpenters. How do you say that, okay,
Speaker 1: Tracy Chapman, Paula Cole, Sean Colvin, Cheryl Crow, Indigo Girls,
Speaker 1: Emmy Lou Harris Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Joan OSB and Suzanne Vega.
Speaker 1: That is like a quint essential mixtape for an entire genre.
Speaker 4: And more and way more. It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 4: You know. Sarah McLaughlin had had an idea that it
Speaker 4: was funny at first. When I heard about it, she
Speaker 4: invited me to play a show that was like the
Speaker 4: prequel year to the actual Lilith Fair. I got a
Speaker 4: you know, I got a note like, oh, Sarah McLaughlin
Speaker 4: wants to do this women's concert. Would you like to play?
Speaker 4: We're doing a couple to try it out. And I
Speaker 4: was like not really, Like I don't want to play
Speaker 4: a women's concert. I went to all girls school. I
Speaker 4: don't like separating myself out as a woman musician. I
Speaker 4: don't like being good for a girl. I'm just a musician.
Speaker 4: I don't like all my mentors of musicians aren't women.
Speaker 4: This is just not for me. And then they followed
Speaker 4: it up saying, well, it's it'll be you. Patti Smith,
Speaker 4: Sarah McLachlan, Amy Mann, Paula Cole. I was like, yes,
Speaker 4: I would love to do that concert with those other
Speaker 4: fellow musicians, like this is like, this is great, what
Speaker 4: a great you know, I might have mixed up, you
Speaker 4: know some There were a good handful of artists on
Speaker 4: each show that I got to be a part of,
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is great, Like of course
Speaker 4: I want to do this. And it took and it
Speaker 4: got my prejudice away because it made me realize, you know,
Speaker 4: I was glad when she needed to do what she
Speaker 4: was doing because they literally were telling us, you know,
Speaker 4: we'd hear from the radio departments at our major labels, Yeah,
Speaker 4: they can't play you because they're playing Sheryl Crow. Like
Speaker 4: literally they're playing one woman, so they can't play another woman.
Speaker 4: It was disgusting. Yeah, what does it even mean?
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, back in the day, it was like it
Speaker 4: was considered like almost like a a category that box. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is really crazy to think about now, but it
Speaker 4: was just the way it was. And and so that
Speaker 4: ended up being a huge effect of her putting this
Speaker 4: festival together to prove, like you know, on the craft side,
Speaker 4: a bunch of women can make a bunch of money
Speaker 4: for somebody on the not craft side. It was just great,
Speaker 4: like all this great music. There were men, lots of men,
Speaker 4: but women lead singers, band leaders, and it was really fun.
Speaker 4: We ended up like it was almost like a summer camp.
Speaker 4: Like all the shows you got to go on. We
Speaker 4: would we literally would sit backstage and talk to each
Speaker 4: other and talk about our lives or our careers. And
Speaker 4: because like the Indigo girls were on there on the
Speaker 4: on the thing, they have great songs to sing along,
Speaker 4: like Closer to Find, and so they would ask us
Speaker 4: all to sing. And I'm terrible with lyrics, but we'd
Speaker 4: all sit back there and learn our lyrics and sing
Speaker 4: with each other and you know, connect. Actually, it was
Speaker 4: like we actually connected. Emmy Lou Harris sang on some
Speaker 4: of my songs. Well, on one of my songs it's
Speaker 4: on the lolith Fair recording. But I realized that and
Speaker 4: other festival situations are really important for camaraderie, for connecting
Speaker 4: with other musicians because music is a very it's a
Speaker 4: very loner thing. You know, you're in your room writing,
Speaker 4: you're with a group of people recording, maybe you're on
Speaker 4: tour with just your band or your band and maybe
Speaker 4: one other band. It's very it's very by yourself. So
Speaker 4: it was really cool to be in a place that
Speaker 4: was you know, you're celebrating who you are and with
Speaker 4: other people. And it reminded me of all girls school
Speaker 4: where there is just something. I'm rubbing my fingers together
Speaker 4: if you're just listening, but like there's just something. It's
Speaker 4: just a sick like it's something you can't put your
Speaker 4: finger on. It's like it's just a different atmosphere when
Speaker 4: it's a world led by women. Again, no offense to men.
Speaker 4: There were a lot of men there. They really enjoyed
Speaker 4: the concert. It was just the tone, the support of nature,
Speaker 4: the badassness of the variety of types of music. There
Speaker 4: was just something different there and I think it carried forward,
Speaker 4: you know, it affected everything else after.
Speaker 3: It was your girls school back East just curious, you.
Speaker 4: Know, it was in Texas. It was a prep school,
Speaker 4: which was very East coasty, but it was also had
Speaker 4: a finishing school element about it because it's Southern. So
Speaker 4: you know, learn to poortis sit properly on stage but
Speaker 4: also write crazy essays and really intense you know, lots
Speaker 4: of ap courses and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So you have also been passionate about radio since basically
Speaker 1: high school. And now you have a show on Sirius
Speaker 1: XM called Nineties on nine.
Speaker 4: Which I love. Yeah, it's on the nineties on nine channel. Yes,
Speaker 4: what is it about? Stay Stay with Lisa Loebe. You
Speaker 4: know we decided back in the nineties, I would have
Speaker 4: been like, are you kidding me? I'm not using my
Speaker 4: song title the popular song. But now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: those are the people who are like, you're that girl
Speaker 4: with glasses. I know you. You know, I'll listen to you.
Speaker 4: You know, that's not something to run away from. That's
Speaker 4: just people's way of identifying your way to get.
Speaker 2: Get them in and then then they'll stay.
Speaker 4: Exactly. It's like, well that's the gateway meet of my songs.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's called Stay with Lisa Loebe. And I've
Speaker 4: had a podcast up to now called Where They Are Now.
Speaker 4: It's a special interview segment that turned into a podcast
Speaker 4: that I believe is turning back into maybe just an
Speaker 4: interview segment where I talk to people about what they
Speaker 4: did in the nineties and what they're doing now. Because
Speaker 4: there are so many musicians out there who you know
Speaker 4: from the nineties who are still very active, just like
Speaker 4: what you guys are doing, I mean, very nineties centered,
Speaker 4: but people are very present as well. But I know,
Speaker 4: I was a DJ in high school for three years.
Speaker 4: I loved it so much. I was at the boys'
Speaker 4: school because they didn't have a radio station at our school.
Speaker 4: It was eighty eight point five Caroism and I had
Speaker 4: a show and I would I loved, you know, being
Speaker 4: a DJ and and so then. But back in that day,
Speaker 4: I decided all the music I played. It was not programmed.
Speaker 4: I just picked the music I wanted to play, and
Speaker 4: it ranged from all that stuff we're talking about, to
Speaker 4: local bands to sound effects of a man falling down
Speaker 4: the stairs and poster giveaways and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: And I really enjoyed it. But it's fun, it's interesting,
Speaker 4: you know. I understand I'm connected with the nineties. You know,
Speaker 4: we're all connected with the nineties here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is it about radio that you're just so passionate about?
Speaker 1: What do you love about it?
Speaker 4: I think what I like is the thing that's not
Speaker 4: exactly the radio. It's connecting with people. You know. It's
Speaker 4: like finding out My favorite things are to find out
Speaker 4: what people have to say about that time and sharing that,
Speaker 4: you know, Like, I also have a segment called your
Speaker 4: Story Your Song, where you can tell us your favorite
Speaker 4: song from the nineties and your memories of it. So,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just like a natural thing. And
Speaker 4: also what they want me to do the ninety the
Speaker 4: series XM Folks, they want me to talk about random stuff.
Speaker 4: And I've always been really into random things. I love
Speaker 4: that ever since I was a kid. I just like
Speaker 4: chotchkeys and things and talking about, you know, what happened
Speaker 4: on some TV show that I liked and some you know,
Speaker 4: nerding out on something, And that's really what they want
Speaker 4: me to talk about. I hear about it on social
Speaker 4: media every once in a while. They're like, why are
Speaker 4: you talking about that? Why are you saying all this
Speaker 4: stuff about yourself from the nineties. I'm like, because that's
Speaker 4: what they asked me to do, talking about my experience
Speaker 4: of being in the nineties, and also now that's what
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons that you came up on
Speaker 2: this podcast and that we started talking about you a
Speaker 2: lot was because there was this podcast called sixty Songs
Speaker 2: That Define the Nineties. Do you know this I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, maybe I may have forgotten.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 4: You should.
Speaker 2: You should listen to it. But it's this it's this
Speaker 2: journalist Rob Harvilla and he I mentioned it on this
Speaker 2: podcast and he because I was listening to it and
Speaker 2: just loving because he does like one song per episode
Speaker 2: where he just does a deep dive on the history
Speaker 2: of the band and the song and then his personal
Speaker 2: connection to it, and it's really great.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 2: I mentioned it and on the show and then he
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, do you want to come be a
Speaker 2: guest on it? And I said, yeah, sure, and he
Speaker 2: sent me a list of the songs that I could
Speaker 2: choose from that he was planning to do and Stay
Speaker 2: was on there, and I was like, I'm doing Stay.
Speaker 2: So we did the whole episode on Stay. And it's
Speaker 2: a really good episode. I'm only a small part of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like at the last ten minutes of it, but
Speaker 2: he has it's a really you should give it a.
Speaker 4: List because but was it on MPR. No, No, no,
Speaker 4: I think we're doing all this celebration of Stay. I'm
Speaker 4: going to find that. Yeah, we should post it.
Speaker 2: It's really great because he ends up having actually like
Speaker 2: a really interesting kind of personal tragedy associated with the
Speaker 2: song that is is quite moving and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of like a lot of our discussion was reassessing reality
Speaker 2: bites as a romantic comedy. Yeah, and you know we
Speaker 2: kind of dive into like was that ending the right ending?
Speaker 4: Where this sounds familiar. I'm going to go back and listen.
Speaker 4: This sounds really good. It's weird though, also being from
Speaker 4: in quotation marks from the nineties, because it's just like life,
Speaker 4: like when people are like, make sure you take a
Speaker 4: lot of pictures for your socials, You're like, I'm working,
Speaker 4: I'm literally on stage, not taking pictures of myself for socials.
Speaker 4: I'm literally talking to friends at a party at a premiere.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking pictures and then standing in a corner posting.
Speaker 4: Like in the nineties, I was working in on tour
Speaker 4: and still listening to songs from the eighties in the seventies,
Speaker 4: and I didn't always know what was popular in the nineties.
Speaker 4: You know, some things popped through to me, like space
Speaker 4: Hog or I Love Joan Osborne again. I got to
Speaker 4: know her more from even though she was a local
Speaker 4: musician when I was a local musician in New York.
Speaker 4: I was so busy playing gigs. I never ended up
Speaker 4: seeing her play. And then for Lili's Fairy started watching
Speaker 4: her and I was blown away. She's got this crazy voice.
Speaker 4: She's like unbelievable singer. And same with like Paula Cole
Speaker 4: and she produces all of her music and Cheryl Crow like.
Speaker 4: I knew some people's hits, but I didn't know their
Speaker 4: catalog and what they were like for real, you know.
Speaker 4: And and then there's other music I've never even heard
Speaker 4: before that I that I'll here on nineties stations. I
Speaker 4: just didn't know, you know, I know was great.
Speaker 3: Space Hog was one of those bands that was hugely
Speaker 3: underrated in the nineties. I love Wonders, Yeah, and they.
Speaker 4: Had a bunch of I don't know, in my brain
Speaker 4: they were like hugely like like they were like Radiohead.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Travis Travis the Band, Travis the Man who I love
Speaker 4: that album? Anyway. How did how did your transition from
Speaker 4: singing to acting happen? I was an actor way before
Speaker 4: I was a professional musician. It was just something I
Speaker 4: did growing up. I always studied acting. I was always
Speaker 4: in all the plays. I went away and studied acting
Speaker 4: in New York and in London. In high school, I
Speaker 4: did plays and things. All through college. We had a
Speaker 4: soap opera that Doug Lyman directed the theater. We went
Speaker 4: to college together. He had a soap opera that he
Speaker 4: put together that we all did in college. So it
Speaker 4: was the thing that I really wanted to do. I
Speaker 4: was often cast as a child because I am very
Speaker 4: young and in college young and petite, and music was
Speaker 4: the thing that was really taking off more. We were
Speaker 4: filling the houses, my friend and I who had a band.
Speaker 4: It was always packed houses getting gigs in New York City,
Speaker 4: and it was sort of like going step by step,
Speaker 4: whereas with acting, I had my head shots and this
Speaker 4: and that, and then I was like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I want to be walking around New York City
Speaker 4: with my head shots. And in the meantime, I was
Speaker 4: so busy playing music. That was really the thing in
Speaker 4: the forefront. And then as soon as the music kind
Speaker 4: of was settling in, I've been going back to acting.
Speaker 4: You know again, acting a quote marks a lot of
Speaker 4: cameos and things like that. But that was my love.
Speaker 4: That was what I really wanted to do when I
Speaker 4: grew up, and I remember I write out of college.
Speaker 4: Right out of high school, I had taken a class
Speaker 4: with Mark Hirschfeld, the casting director, and I had taken
Speaker 4: a class with him in high school, and he was like,
Speaker 4: you know, come meet with me in LA. And I
Speaker 4: went and met with him in LA right after high school,
Speaker 4: like the between high school and college, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you should go to college. But you know, we've kept
Speaker 4: in touch and he's actually with that nineties show and
Speaker 4: a bunch of other stuff, and you know, it's just
Speaker 4: something I love doing. I just I'm that's just something
Speaker 4: I grew up doing and studied a lot. So that's
Speaker 4: so great. That's where it came from.
Speaker 2: Do you still do it? Do you still enjoy acting?
Speaker 3: Or I do?
Speaker 4: But it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous because
Speaker 4: I'm not good at memorizing. But like when I did
Speaker 4: this is a funny example, but when I did Fuller House,
Speaker 4: it was great because they actually gave me scenes. I
Speaker 4: played myself, but we talked it through. I had actual
Speaker 4: scenes with multiple lines and conversations, and and because you
Speaker 4: get to work on those sitcoms for a week, we
Speaker 4: actually the lines like a play. They actually get in you.
Speaker 4: And also It wasn't like some of the sitcoms I'd
Speaker 4: done in the nineties, which are super high energy, where
Speaker 4: you're like, hey, guys, what's up. Let it out, like,
Speaker 4: that's not my energy. I'm I have a low energy
Speaker 4: type of person, and even my high energy is more low.
Speaker 4: And also now I'm not as embarrassed being high energy
Speaker 4: if I need to be, like to fit whatever the
Speaker 4: genre is. But it's just it was really fun. It
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, this reminds me of when
Speaker 4: I get to be in plays and you really you
Speaker 4: have time to know the lines and get to know
Speaker 4: it and really be in that person, in that character,
Speaker 4: which I love that. I love being in that conversation.
Speaker 4: But one day, I'll one day I'll return. I want
Speaker 4: to do like Broadway or or something that would be
Speaker 4: so cool, that would be amazing. But yeah, I was
Speaker 4: in an independent film and there and they're like I
Speaker 4: just I was like, oh, I'll get the lines, I'll
Speaker 4: be fine. And then I get on set and I'm like,
Speaker 4: all these people, this is their one job. They don't
Speaker 4: There are younger people, some of them don't have children
Speaker 4: or anything, and they know their lines and they've been
Speaker 4: doing this and they're really serious and they and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: I'm serious, But I was doing seven million other things,
Speaker 4: my radio show and taking my kids to school and
Speaker 4: going to do this tour and end this album and
Speaker 4: this thing and that thing. And then I'm like on
Speaker 4: set and I'm like they're like, all right, let's go,
Speaker 4: and there's no rehearsal, and you just go and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is hard a lot but memorizing. But it's funny.
Speaker 4: I've been listening to Barbara Streisand's book and she talks
Speaker 4: about a lot of actors and really major serious actors
Speaker 4: that we all look up to. They've got lines written
Speaker 4: all over the place. Hey, they've got every Brandow method.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just hiding notes all over But he
Speaker 2: actually didn't want to memorize. He wanted to like live
Speaker 2: in the moment.
Speaker 4: As much as that's excuse me, but it's true, Like
Speaker 4: you do want to live in the moment, but yeah,
Speaker 4: you know. And also, I was on the set of
Speaker 4: a particular sitcom years ago, very popular one, and the
Speaker 4: nanny shocked No, the nanny, the nanny, Oh that you're
Speaker 4: saying nanny. I was like, oh my god, I just
Speaker 4: finished watching this is us the nanny I was. I
Speaker 4: had my lines, but I was so nervous and it
Speaker 4: was so high energy and it was like barely any lines,
Speaker 4: but whatever. But many years later it was I'm not
Speaker 4: telling you which one, but literally every two lines, one
Speaker 4: of the main actress would be like line line and
Speaker 4: then there were cue cards and the whole thing was, wait,
Speaker 4: I've been avoiding doing this because I was nervous about
Speaker 4: learning my lines, and this was this was an option.
Speaker 4: It's not really an option if you're not, like, you know,
Speaker 4: years into a sit combat, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean voice voiceover, So there's the best.
Speaker 4: I love doing voiceover.
Speaker 3: I love so voiceover. I love. That's like my favorite thing.
Speaker 4: Me too, because you're like there with your studio and
Speaker 4: you're just doing your thing. I love it too. But
Speaker 4: I mean, do you have trouble learning your lines? I
Speaker 4: don't do act. I don't act anymore, so I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while since I don't have trouble.
Speaker 3: I've had to try, you know, I've I've been a
Speaker 3: voiceover actor for twenty years now, so it's so different.
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: It's a muscle that you get back pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: I need to get it. Maybe you'll help me, you
Speaker 4: can help. I need to practice before it's time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: also practicing like I did remember on the thing I
Speaker 4: felt most comfortable doing. More recently, I heard one actres saying,
Speaker 4: it just takes me a certain number of minutes per page,
Speaker 4: and it just it is what it is. Yeah, Like
Speaker 4: I'm working on writing a book right now. Like the
Speaker 4: process is what it is. It's not like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: not a soap opera actor. I was talking to a
Speaker 4: friend of mine who's a soap opera actor and they literally, like.
Speaker 3: The gay page, no time, but if you.
Speaker 4: Never did that. But like, I need to practice that.
Speaker 4: I need to practice memorizing things. You mentioned your kids.
Speaker 4: Do you have You have two kids? I have two kids. Yeah.
Speaker 4: How old are they? Eleven and fourteen? Oh my gosh, yeah,
Speaker 4: fifth grade? And one of them is home sick today.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't think he's sick.
Speaker 1: Well, I have two questions for you then, regarding that,
Speaker 1: how do you find time to do.
Speaker 4: All of the things that you do? I have two
Speaker 4: kids as well.
Speaker 1: I do a fraction of the things you do, but
Speaker 1: it's still a lot of things. And I feel like
Speaker 1: every moment of my day, every single day, is scheduled out.
Speaker 4: How do you find the time? Yeah, it is, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm good at compartmentalizing. I'm trying to find
Speaker 4: more childcare, actually child supervision I call it, because they're
Speaker 4: literally sometimes childcare for our kids. Any of you would
Speaker 4: like to do it. Come over, order sushi from sushi,
Speaker 4: stop and watch a movie and just be a person
Speaker 4: in the house. Make sure you go to bed around
Speaker 4: nine o'clock.
Speaker 3: That's a job.
Speaker 4: It's really really hard. And when they're playing video games
Speaker 4: it pays twenty five dollars an hour.
Speaker 3: You can eat a book.
Speaker 4: You can just read a book, eat food, maybe take
Speaker 4: a walk with them to man cheese or something. That's
Speaker 4: it exactly what we doantly. So it's hard. It's really hard,
Speaker 4: and I keep trying to do less because there's lots
Speaker 4: of things I want to do and I want to
Speaker 4: do them well and I want to do them deeply.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I mentioned I'm trying to work on a book, which
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be even saying until it's done. But I
Speaker 4: finally was like, I'm hiring a coach, not to write
Speaker 4: with me, not to write for me literally like a trainer.
Speaker 4: Like I know, I've been working out doing strength training
Speaker 4: since I was in high school. I know I could
Speaker 4: teach you your full workout in seven different ways to
Speaker 4: do tricep, you know, kickbacks or whatever. But I prefer
Speaker 4: to meet with my trainer because I need a babysitter.
Speaker 4: I need to know that I have a time and
Speaker 4: a place to do it. So literally, my coaching session
Speaker 4: I just had, we met up. We talked about a
Speaker 4: couple of things. We put ourselves on mute and silence
Speaker 4: and no screens, and I sat and wrote for forty minutes,
Speaker 4: and then we checked back in. I read her what
Speaker 4: I wrote. She was encouraging, you know, also encouraging, like
Speaker 4: keeping you from overthinking everything. But but like I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm always looking. I'm trying to I always try to
Speaker 4: lose my manager or my team if I the people
Speaker 4: that I work with, my housekeeper. Thank God for my housekeeper.
Speaker 4: He's been working with me for like thirty years. He's
Speaker 4: my main person in my life. But like just trying
Speaker 4: my best to do all the things. I know. I
Speaker 4: just got a text from one of the moms asking
Speaker 4: if I was going to be chairman of Lost and
Speaker 4: Found next year again for the like second or third year,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I love doing Lost and Found, like
Speaker 4: literally looking at name tags and putting things away. I
Speaker 4: don't think I can do the Chairman next year. I've
Speaker 4: been doing it, but I've been on tour and I
Speaker 4: haven't been getting those sweatshirts back to those kids.
Speaker 3: Get to kids stuff. If if nobody claims.
Speaker 4: We donate it, you donate it. We don't know. But yeah,
Speaker 4: but anybody can keep it. I mean, anybody can go
Speaker 4: look at this stuff and be like eh. But but anyway,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's hard. It's hard and a lot
Speaker 4: of like being introspective and trying to take a step
Speaker 4: back and saying, like, what is my priority? You know today,
Speaker 4: my priority actually is to sit here and watch This
Speaker 4: is Us and eat popcorn quietly in the house because
Speaker 4: nobody is in the house. My vacation is that hour.
Speaker 4: My priority is to work for three hours while the
Speaker 4: kids are playing with their friends on a weekend. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. I have
Speaker 4: a list of things that are the most important, like sleep, learn,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever my own personal self care things are.
Speaker 4: But then also the kids come first. Family comes first.
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do? How do you do
Speaker 4: and hair? Yeah, Micha, Well when.
Speaker 2: Do you find are are you still writing songs? I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you're still writing? So when does that happen? Is
Speaker 2: that like a late night along with your guitar or
Speaker 2: is that like something you have to set aside time
Speaker 2: for and say I'm going to write a song.
Speaker 4: Okay, both I capture songs when I have ideas or
Speaker 4: parts of songs, and then often I have to collaborate
Speaker 4: with people to make myself sit down, just like a trainer,
Speaker 4: sit down and collaborate to get the thing done. But
Speaker 4: talking about voiceovers, I just did a collaboration with Debbie
Speaker 4: darry Berry, who's a great voiceover artist, an actor. She's
Speaker 4: Jimmy Neutron and she's doing music. She started actually with
Speaker 4: music and now she's back to doing music and she's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you want to write a song. And so when people
Speaker 4: ask me, you know, we sat and we wrote this song.
Speaker 4: It's very cool. It's about compost but it's really catchy song.
Speaker 4: But you know, you just get sucked in and you
Speaker 4: do these things and you make time and you things
Speaker 4: take longer than they should sometimes and I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm just glad to know that's that's a
Speaker 1: real answer, and I'm glad to know there isn't an answer,
Speaker 1: because that's always how I feel too. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: really it changes week to week and month to month,
Speaker 1: depending on what's going on.
Speaker 4: Because and like your son's home sick from school, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: last time he was home when I was trying to
Speaker 4: work with my writing coach, totally messed up the whole hour.
Speaker 4: I love my son so much and I love spending
Speaker 4: time with him, but it changes your workflow, It changes everything.
Speaker 4: You have to be so intentional all the time. And
Speaker 4: also I hate that phrase, but like give yourself grace,
Speaker 4: like doing your best. I know it's true. Like you're like,
Speaker 4: you know what, you're tired, take a nap, bewake, like
Speaker 4: drink a really fun Lacroix coconut. I feel like you're
Speaker 4: at the beach, like I don't know, yeh, ask for help? Yes,
Speaker 4: Like like you know, look at your life all the
Speaker 4: time and say, what do I like doing? What am
Speaker 4: I getting paid to do? You know, what do I
Speaker 4: want to do when I grow up. Where do I
Speaker 4: want to go? Oh? I don't know. Stay healthy, do
Speaker 4: your basic exercises in your eating and drinking foods that
Speaker 4: you like.
Speaker 1: Do either of your kids show any interest in music
Speaker 1: or acting?
Speaker 4: I think I saw my daughter do some acting. She
Speaker 4: doesn't act like she shows any interest in it. But
Speaker 4: you know, And it's funny in the world now, if
Speaker 4: your kid's in eighth grade and they haven't become a
Speaker 4: professional you know whatever, you know, baseball player or actor
Speaker 4: or musician, they are too late. But you know, a
Speaker 4: lot of us didn't even start playing instruments until we were,
Speaker 4: like in high school. I have a feeling there's a
Speaker 4: lot of things like that in the future. My daughter
Speaker 4: does play ukulele and she sings in her room, but
Speaker 4: I've heard her sing it. She's got a beautiful voice.
Speaker 4: She's also a poet. So I wonder where being a
Speaker 4: really good writer and a good singer wow might lead
Speaker 4: to At some point, I would, you know, there's no pressure,
Speaker 4: but I do. And with my son, they both love
Speaker 4: music and know a lot about music, and I just
Speaker 4: hope they continue to enjoy it and branch out with
Speaker 4: their interests, you know. I love that done.
Speaker 1: You're so prolific with kids music and books, and your
Speaker 1: album Feel What You Feel even won a Grammy for
Speaker 1: Best Children's Album in twenty eighteen. It has such an
Speaker 1: amazing message. What is it that makes you so creative
Speaker 1: when writing for and helping a younger demographic?
Speaker 4: I think, well, one, I started collaborating a lot, and
Speaker 4: when you're working with other people, ideas can really gel.
Speaker 4: And also you can capture ideas that you didn't even
Speaker 4: know were interesting. Sometimes you're like, oh, that's not important,
Speaker 4: and that actually it's funny. On my most recent grown
Speaker 4: up record, A Simple Trick to Happiness was affected by
Speaker 4: my children's music, because when you collaborate with other people
Speaker 4: and when you're talking to parents outside of school and stuff,
Speaker 4: somebody says something to somebody else. You say something to
Speaker 4: somebody just like we're talking and you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I never thought about that. Like to me, it's just
Speaker 4: like whatever, it's something I think about all the time.
Speaker 4: Or you might say something to me and I'm like, wait, what,
Speaker 4: it's mind blowing. So I try to capture those messages
Speaker 4: in songs somehow, and I did that for my grown
Speaker 4: Up record. But that was like the kids' music. It's
Speaker 4: a freeing kind of It can be a lazy genre,
Speaker 4: like people can be like, oh, you can say anything,
Speaker 4: it's kids music, or it's a musical whatever. You could
Speaker 4: do anything. But on the other hand, you can also
Speaker 4: try to craft things that you really can be more
Speaker 4: creative and open minded when you're writing, and it's a
Speaker 4: fun place to mess around with. Genres like step like
Speaker 4: Feel What you Feel had a lot of influence from
Speaker 4: Free to Be You and Me, which is from the seventies.
Speaker 4: My Camp Lisa record, which was an earlier record, was
Speaker 4: really influenced by a lot of soft pop from the
Speaker 4: seventies and bread and lots of harmonies, and we had
Speaker 4: a lot of guests and stuff. So it's just a
Speaker 4: very freeing genre and it's really fun. You can get
Speaker 4: really sad, you can get very have storytellings, you can
Speaker 4: be silly all in one record. And I like that's
Speaker 4: that's as a person who likes to make stuff that's
Speaker 4: so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So one final question, it's a practice. We found
Speaker 1: ourselves wondering a lot as we watched back the episodes
Speaker 1: we taped thirty years ago. But watching the incredible music
Speaker 1: video for Stay, which has now been updated for the times.
Speaker 1: When you see that Lisa Lobe about to have her
Speaker 1: life changed forever, what would you want to tell her?
Speaker 4: Now? Wow, I haven't thought about that, you know, I
Speaker 4: probably I would probably say stick with your guns, you know,
Speaker 4: like at that time we were talking about Lilith Fair.
Speaker 4: But even still just the general state of feminism, you
Speaker 4: just get a general feeling that what you have to
Speaker 4: say is bothering somebody or annoying or pushy or and
Speaker 4: I felt that a lot as a young artist, but
Speaker 4: I had been doing it for so many years, ever
Speaker 4: since I was in high school. I was recording my
Speaker 4: own music, like I knew what I wanted, I knew
Speaker 4: what I wanted to hear. Sometimes it was scary to
Speaker 4: collaborate with others because I felt like they were going
Speaker 4: to try to take over, or they wouldn't take me seriously,
Speaker 4: meaning like they wouldn't listen to me, not take me
Speaker 4: seriously like I'm so important, but just like literally collaborate
Speaker 4: on an even basis. So I would say, like, be yourself,
Speaker 4: you know, don't which I did, But it was still
Speaker 4: this feeling of holding back always always if we do
Speaker 4: that as women, anyway, like always feeling like you might
Speaker 4: ruffle someone's feathers, you might say something that will hit
Speaker 4: them in the wrong way. Growing up both at the girls' school,
Speaker 4: Like the proper way to act is that you respect others,
Speaker 4: but also the values of my family. Growing up, you
Speaker 4: respect others, but it can cross the line to where
Speaker 4: you're not respecting yourself and you're not speaking. You know,
Speaker 4: there's no dream too big, and there's no there's no
Speaker 4: idea that's stupid. Really, like you always fight for what
Speaker 4: you want and then also at the same time, don't
Speaker 4: be afraid to collaborate. It took me a really long
Speaker 4: time to really feel the comfort that I feel in collaboration.
Speaker 4: There's so many things that I've broken out of my
Speaker 4: anxiety or fear or depression for doing because I'm just trying.
Speaker 4: Like even the acting thing we're talking about, like it's
Speaker 4: scary to memorize stuff, Well, great, tell the makeup artist
Speaker 4: or tell the person on the set, like I'm scared.
Speaker 4: I realized there's millions of actors over there, like sitting
Speaker 4: going over their lines over and over and over and
Speaker 4: over again. It's not embarrassing, it's just being a person
Speaker 4: doing a job. Everybody does things in different ways. Everybody,
Speaker 4: you know. I said it in my song, which was
Speaker 4: another top Footy hit, my song I Do. It was
Speaker 4: kind of like a really straightforward thing to say, but
Speaker 4: I meant it like everybody feels this way sometimes, you know,
Speaker 4: like it's okay to be a human, so it's so
Speaker 4: collaborating asking for help but also being yourself one hundred
Speaker 4: percent fully, don't be scared of that, And I did.
Speaker 4: I am excited and proud I have accomplished a lot,
Speaker 4: and at the same time, there's so much more that
Speaker 4: I could have, should have would have done if I
Speaker 4: weren't scared, you know, to do it. Or we're having
Speaker 4: this slight feeling of anxiety or a large feeling of anxiety,
Speaker 4: you know, overshadowed by a busy life. You know, I
Speaker 4: think we have our whole world in front of us,
Speaker 4: like do everything. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that some of those feelings have
Speaker 1: passed for you and now you're just saying yes to
Speaker 1: all of the things that are going to bring you
Speaker 1: joy because we are all benefiting from them and we're
Speaker 1: all getting to enjoy that. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us today. We have
Speaker 1: just every opportunity we've had to be around you, We've
Speaker 1: enjoyed you more and more, and we're just grateful that
Speaker 1: you've spent any of your time with us.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much. Well, you guys are so
Speaker 4: sweet to have me on and I appreciate what you
Speaker 4: do and writer. Thank you for all the very kind
Speaker 4: words that means a lot to me of course, and
Speaker 4: wish me luck memorizing things for the future.
Speaker 1: We'll help you anywhere we can. Okay, awesome, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Lisa, thank you talking to you.
Speaker 4: She's so cool.
Speaker 2: She's so coolah, oh my god. I just love like
Speaker 2: how prolific she is, not only as a songwriter, but
Speaker 2: in like every aspect of her life. And I just
Speaker 2: love that she's pretty much like the ideal version of
Speaker 2: Lisa Lobe in my mind. Yeah, like the Lisa Lobe
Speaker 2: that I kind of wished I like could meet in
Speaker 2: a coffee shop when I was sixteen, and like talk
Speaker 2: to is exactly who she is.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: We would sit and talk books and we would go
Speaker 2: into a million different pathways. We talk music, we talk movies.
Speaker 2: I just like know, oh yeah, this is this is
Speaker 2: my type of person. And it's so cool how that happens,
Speaker 2: You know, when you're attracted to somebody's art just whatever
Speaker 2: they do, and then you actually get to see behind
Speaker 2: the curtain and you're like, oh, yeah, there's a reason
Speaker 2: we connected through your heart is that you were expressing
Speaker 2: yourself and that wasn't just yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Were expressing yourself so well it was perceived the right way.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and like this connection speaks to you and
Speaker 2: you and your language.
Speaker 3: Essentially, she's your real life perse girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's what it is. Had you found Lisa
Speaker 3: Loeb's purse back in the day, she wanted to spoken,
Speaker 3: right to write or strong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 4: That is funny. You're right.
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