WEBVTT - Lisa Loeb Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>So we got an email from a woman named Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>to our Pummies World show at Gmail account, and she said, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the show and it's been so fun getting

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<v Speaker 1>to know you all as people and not just your characters.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask this at the Dallas show,

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<v Speaker 1>but the line was already super long before my cousin

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<v Speaker 1>convinced me to ask, do you three know your Enneagram numbers?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a personality test, but it really dives into your

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<v Speaker 1>strengths and weaknesses, and it is so interesting. Every time

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<v Speaker 1>I listen to your podcast, I can't help but guess

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<v Speaker 1>your numbers. Writer is a four wing five, Danielle three

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<v Speaker 1>wing two, and Will seven wing six.

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<v Speaker 2>So for like five percent of our listeners or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent, who.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the ten percent math magician, that makes a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of sense, And there are people who are like agreeing,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what that means.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, how many wings do?

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<v Speaker 3>How many wings do I have to eat?

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<v Speaker 4>You're in whatever it is? A hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Writers four wing five is called the free spirit.

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<v Speaker 4>And here's what it says.

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<v Speaker 1>People with an Enneagram type four wing five personality tend

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<v Speaker 1>to identify most with type fours, but may also relate

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<v Speaker 1>to type fives. They are introspective, creative, and perceptive in

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<v Speaker 1>their behavior. They want to form a deeper understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and the world around them. They tend to be

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<v Speaker 1>much less concerned with public image than other fours.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're wing, I mean more than other fours.

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<v Speaker 2>So isn't everybody concerned with their public image?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't, okay, so I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, anyway, so your basic fear four wing fives

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<v Speaker 1>fear having no impact on the world. They may be

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<v Speaker 1>they maybe, but they seek recognition and admiration.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but see that means I do care about

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<v Speaker 2>my public image, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But then there's a cost exactly just less than

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<v Speaker 1>other fours. So the wings, it's like one through nine

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<v Speaker 1>in a circle. Picture it like a pie. And whatever

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<v Speaker 1>number you are, your wing has to be the number

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<v Speaker 1>that's closest to that. So you could only be a

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<v Speaker 1>four wing five or a four wing three, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>four wing three has a specific avenue that's like very

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with public image, whereas like yours is concerned with

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit, but not.

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<v Speaker 2>Che tauild so quickly that it just categorizes everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I just heard.

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<v Speaker 4>So your basic desire.

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<v Speaker 1>They desire their own personal identity and may retreat within

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to discover who they really are. Free spirits tend

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<v Speaker 1>to defend themselves, either by withdrawing from others or adapting

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics of loved ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it say Type fours will reject this orgorization. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are reading this to a type four, they will

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<v Speaker 2>roll their eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>And storm out.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you want to know your strengths?

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<v Speaker 4>Here are some of your strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Staying true to who you are, deeply rooted, curiosity and

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<v Speaker 1>passion for knowledge, ability to connect deeply with yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>objective and creative problem solving.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to know your weaknesses?

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<v Speaker 2>I like all of these. I'm like, okay, I'll take those.

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<v Speaker 2>If those are strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's your weaknesses withdrawing from those around them, difficulty focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on real world problems, tendency to think too much about themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and struggling to follow rules or orders.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also a smell.

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<v Speaker 4>But surely.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm pretty practical problems, aren't I know?

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<v Speaker 4>I do? I think?

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<v Speaker 2>I I think I'm like, but I mean anything, you're

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<v Speaker 2>very I definitely am way too focused on myself. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean like compared to like you two, I withdraw, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I like it's always funny because like

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<v Speaker 2>I think, everywhere in my life I am considered like

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<v Speaker 2>an extrovert and like very gregarious until I hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with YouTube and then I'm like, oh no, no, no I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am like way more of an but like an

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<v Speaker 2>there any other crowd, I'm like pretty outgoing. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>when I hang out with YouTube that I'm like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm definitely not as mainstream and gregarious and outgoing

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<v Speaker 2>as these guys.

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<v Speaker 4>So so funny, What am I?

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<v Speaker 3>What? What can you do?

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yours is called the pathfinder, So she suggest she thought

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<v Speaker 1>that you were a seven wing six. Yours is called

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<v Speaker 1>the pathfinder. What is an enneagram type seven? They are

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<v Speaker 1>usually enthusiastic, responsible, and adventurous in their behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that I would call you adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it involves wings, maybe adventures.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm adventurous with eating.

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<v Speaker 1>They enjoy pursuing new experiences, but are much more are

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<v Speaker 1>able to stick to prior commitments than others.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not. I don't even need to read any more

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<v Speaker 4>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides, we'll commit to anything more a week.

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<v Speaker 4>Out fear of missing out. What Please do not contact me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am I got my wife and my dog, my

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<v Speaker 2>dog and my pie. I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I thought it was very I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. She suggested that I was a three wing two,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did the test, and threes and ones are

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<v Speaker 1>very similar, and I ended up being a one wing two.

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<v Speaker 1>And the difference between a one and a three is

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<v Speaker 1>that basically they're both horribly unfun and completely obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>detail and good at organizing and planning. But similar to

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<v Speaker 1>how we talked about with writer caring about public perception,

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<v Speaker 1>threes care very much about Like say, for example, you

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<v Speaker 1>put a one and a three in charge of a

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<v Speaker 1>big group project, the threes would want to be the

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<v Speaker 1>people who would want to take kind of the shiny

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of the project, like the ones that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the most obvious to have helped the group

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore and get the credit. And the ones are

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are like, I don't care what you

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<v Speaker 1>give me. Just give me tons of stuff and let

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<v Speaker 1>me do it really well. I don't even care if

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<v Speaker 1>it goes unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 3>You I'm a one.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was pretty close because she got a three,

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<v Speaker 1>and threes and ones are similar.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm a one wing.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, which is truly, from what I have read, just

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<v Speaker 1>an absolutely awful person to be around. Just sounds really

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<v Speaker 1>miserable to be one of those people.

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<v Speaker 3>But here, I don't think you're awful to be around.

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<v Speaker 3>But then again, I don't know because I don't leave

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<v Speaker 3>my house.

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<v Speaker 4>It's right, you have a fear of missing out on

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<v Speaker 4>who I really am.

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<v Speaker 3>You're of missing out on whatever's going on in my room.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll have to take it then, because I'm obviously not

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<v Speaker 3>a seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send it to you because we know writer won't

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<v Speaker 1>find but well, I want to find out what you are,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll send it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, you got it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks. Well, welcome to pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm writer Wing four two.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, what was I to four? No?

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<v Speaker 2>A wing?

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<v Speaker 3>You are five five five, and I'm will Fredell.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, guys, when we started this podcast, I was recording

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<v Speaker 2>from New York, if you remember, like our first couple episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was solo parenting because my wife was off

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<v Speaker 2>in New York making a movie. And now it is

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<v Speaker 2>finally coming out. Yeah, I know, it's been a long journey.

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<v Speaker 2>She she's she produced the film. It's called Late Bloomers.

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<v Speaker 2>It was she found the script and went through a

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<v Speaker 2>million different rewrites, found the director, put the cast together.

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<v Speaker 3>She this is like, this is her project.

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<v Speaker 2>She raised all the money for it. She and her

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<v Speaker 2>partner Taylor Feldner. They they're they're a producing team. They

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<v Speaker 2>they this is their second film, but this one was

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<v Speaker 2>truly theirs from the ground up. They went through the

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<v Speaker 2>Sun Dance Labs with it, and it's a really really

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<v Speaker 2>good little film. It stars Karen Gillen. It's coming out

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<v Speaker 2>on June seventh, and I think, you know, like this

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<v Speaker 2>recommendation is actually pretty accurate because it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>comedy with a lot of heart. So I think boy

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<v Speaker 2>means world fans will really like this film. It actually

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<v Speaker 2>hits that sweet spot of like so it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>the story of a twenty eight year old who breaks

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<v Speaker 2>her hip and so she ends up in in like

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<v Speaker 2>rehab and gets kind of stuck with this Polish woman,

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<v Speaker 2>this older Polish woman in her eighties who doesn't speak

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<v Speaker 2>any English, and so it has this like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>this buddy comedy between the two of them, and and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's more drama to it, which I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to reveal, but there's a lot more going on in

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<v Speaker 2>this twenty eight year old's life that you sort of

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<v Speaker 2>learn about. So anybody who's ever dealt with Alzheimer's or

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of aging situations, which is basically all of humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>will really appreciate this film. And it's it's it's genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>funny and genuinely good. So it comes out in five

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<v Speaker 2>cities on June seventh. It's going to be in New York, LA, Dallas, Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and Minneapolis. But then it's also coming out on vod

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<v Speaker 2>right that same weekend, So please check it out. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like I said, I think as amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>She's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a really I mean, she's been able to

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<v Speaker 2>show her comedy chops a few times, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>really her shining moment as a comedian.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean Jumanji and Nebula, from all the Marvel things,

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<v Speaker 3>she's one of my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's huge. So it's like it's a little it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little indie film, but I think, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a kind of movie that man in the nineties

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<v Speaker 2>would have had a huge release and been a huge it.

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<v Speaker 2>But in today's world, you know, it's a very niche thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually having sat you know, I ha'n't been

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<v Speaker 2>through the whole process of making it and then sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in the audience in theaters at festivals. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>liked the movie, but I really loved it when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it with other people and it's released. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>one of those films that speaks to older people and

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<v Speaker 2>younger people at the same time. So I've found myself

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<v Speaker 2>seeing it for like the fifth time with a crowd

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<v Speaker 2>just bawling. So it really has like, it really has

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<v Speaker 2>an emotional impact and a thematic resonance that I think

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<v Speaker 2>will speak to a lot of people. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>super fun too, So Late Bloomers check.

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<v Speaker 1>It out Late Bloomers June seventh in theaters and then

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<v Speaker 1>on VOD a week later, So check that out.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for sharing with us, writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is your life Tour for a teenage writer

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<v Speaker 1>Strong continues this week as we once again make a

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<v Speaker 1>wish come true for our beloved co host, who I

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<v Speaker 1>still think has a low key motive to meet all

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<v Speaker 1>of his childhood heroes through pod meets World.

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow more than just a nineties icon.

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<v Speaker 1>This week's guest is the first artist without a recording

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and coincidentally, that anniversary hit just days before

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<v Speaker 1>we are speaking to her today, and that one twist

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<v Speaker 1>of fate, pure talent meeting opportunity to create a legendary

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<v Speaker 1>song spawned into an unbelievable career that continues to thrive today.

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<v Speaker 1>Over a dozen studio albums, with two of them going

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<v Speaker 1>radio show on SiriusXM, acting gigs on the House of

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<v Speaker 1>Haunted Hill, Gossip Girl, Fright Night Community, and Hallmark's Hanukkah

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<v Speaker 1>on Rye, a Food Network show at one time, her

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<v Speaker 1>own dating show in two thousand six. Two children's books

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<v Speaker 1>and five kids music albums, one of them Grammy winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Two plays that she produced and composed music for a

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<v Speaker 1>voiceover career heard in places like CNN and Chili's commercials,

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<v Speaker 1>a signature eyeglass line available at Costco, her own coffee brand,

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<v Speaker 1>A New York Times crossword puzzle she co constructed. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and she also runs a nonprofit charity summer camp for

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<v Speaker 1>disadvantaged children. Is there anything this lady cannot do? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's ask her and make her admit her weaknesses. This

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<v Speaker 1>week's guest is a true legend. Let's hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>the singer songwriter first discovered on the Reality Byte soundtrack

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<v Speaker 1>with her song Stay It's Lisa Loebe Hey, hi.

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<v Speaker 4>Guy, are you are good to see you again? Mess

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<v Speaker 4>you too? Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to first thank you so much for being

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<v Speaker 1>here to do our podcast, but also for performing at

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<v Speaker 1>was truly one of our very first ever live shows

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty twenty three, when we when iHeart and

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<v Speaker 1>Hundai told us that they were going to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to perform.

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<v Speaker 4>Writer really thought he was being pranked.

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<v Speaker 1>Writer, do you want to do you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about where your fandom for Lisa first started?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I think it was. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect timing. So Tales came out in ninety five, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, oh my gosh, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the end of that year is when I

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<v Speaker 2>got my driver's license and that album just became the

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<v Speaker 2>altim I mean, especially back then when you only could

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<v Speaker 2>have like one CD and at a time, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like my driving album. So my entire like all of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six was you know, me sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>driving everywhere up and down the state of California, listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Tails non stop. And so yeah, so it's so

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like the best driving music. But it's also

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<v Speaker 2>like so many great lyars, which of course I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been a lyrics guy, and I just like I started

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<v Speaker 2>listening back to it the last few days and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, I know every word of

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<v Speaker 2>this and I have so many great memories associated with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such like a great driving album. So that was like, really,

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<v Speaker 2>it just like got into my soul.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, I love that. That makes me feel

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<v Speaker 4>so happy. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, his connection to your music should shock absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no one who listens to this podcast. Because Lisa has

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<v Speaker 1>a degree in comparative literature from Brown She also used

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a band called nine Stories, named after

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<v Speaker 1>a JD.

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<v Speaker 4>Salinger book. So to put you on the spot, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 4>what is your favorite book? Oh, my gosh, my favorite book.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got so many books that I read. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 4>over there. I've got I read hundreds of hundreds of books.

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<v Speaker 4>I really like, well, I did, I do and did

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<v Speaker 4>love Nine Stories, the book of short stories by JD. Salingers.

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<v Speaker 4>I named my band after them. And I really am

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<v Speaker 4>like looking at my library app to see all the

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<v Speaker 4>books that I've read.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, author wise, I've been really into Elizabeth Stroud

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<v Speaker 4>lately Stroud or Stroud see even my brain. It's hard

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<v Speaker 4>to always name like a favorite. That's just not possible.

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<v Speaker 4>But wait a minute, writer, do you have the library app? No?

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know listen because you have one for movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh you do do?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Letter most is like the best way to organize what

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<v Speaker 2>movies you've watched and rating them and whatnot. But I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't found the book app that I can use like

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<v Speaker 2>good Reads, I just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I don't use Goodreads either because it's under

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<v Speaker 4>my husband's name and so all the books I read

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<v Speaker 4>go under his account on Amazon, and then I can't

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<v Speaker 4>really I don't really feel like making comments anyway. Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 4>Strout has written a bunch of books that I'm sort

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<v Speaker 4>of obsessed with, including when they made a TV show

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<v Speaker 4>about called Olive Kittridge, which is really great. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a great TV Well, I think I watched the show,

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<v Speaker 4>but I read the books. I read for sure, and

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<v Speaker 4>I love them. But oh my gosh, there's so many

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<v Speaker 4>books and authors David Sadaris. Oh, I love David Sadaris books.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean those are those are totally different types of books. Yep. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a graphic novel by and also my brain I

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<v Speaker 4>can't remember names, which is really bad, you guys, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>the exact same very bad people that I love. Ros

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<v Speaker 4>Chast the cartoonist, wrote a book called Uh Can't We

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<v Speaker 4>talk about something more pleasant? And it's very like bitter, sweet,

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<v Speaker 4>funny but sad, about taking care of her elder parents,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's elderly parents and it's a graphic novel because

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<v Speaker 4>she's a cartoonist. That's those are really good books. I've

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<v Speaker 4>also weirdly, I found a book underneath No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't find it underneath the sofa. It looks like

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<v Speaker 4>something I would find underneath the sofa. I asked my

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<v Speaker 4>friend Rich, who I did a bunch of records with

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<v Speaker 4>Rich Jack's We made a bunch of records together, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was he likes to read, and so I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>can I borrow a book? Cause I like to read

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<v Speaker 4>an actual book, not like an app And so he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you could read read this, And he handed me this

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<v Speaker 4>book I could show. I have a bunch of them

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<v Speaker 4>back there. But he handed me this book that looks

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<v Speaker 4>like you'd find under like somebody's sofa at like a

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<v Speaker 4>timeshare at the Jersey Shore that somebody's uncle left, like

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<v Speaker 4>the most boring looking cover you ever saw, terrible like

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<v Speaker 4>thick paperback. And it's historic fiction. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is going to be terrible. Why did he give

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<v Speaker 4>this to me? And I started reading and I'm obsessed.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Ken Follett and he's done like a trilogy trilogies

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<v Speaker 4>of books about like the Renaissance and the medieval times.

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<v Speaker 4>And but you go down these like these great plots

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<v Speaker 4>about all these people and it happens to be historic fiction.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's sent a couple of different trilogies, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote a prequel to one of them, and he

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<v Speaker 4>just wrote a new follow up, so they're really like thick.

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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly, he wrote the Pillars of the Earth, right, yes, exactly, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you just get like totally sucked in, right, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you get sucked.

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<v Speaker 4>In but I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I also love to read, so and that question putting

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<v Speaker 1>me on the spot with my favorite book.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have any books you can recommend it. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually just wrote a whole long list of Alice Monroe

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<v Speaker 4>books that I need to read, and then some I

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<v Speaker 4>can't remember, and I start reading them and I'm like, gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>this feels really familiar, and then I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I've already read this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I read mine back here. But this is these

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<v Speaker 3>are all wizards and sorcery and dragons fantasy. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>not into that kind of stuff, then none of those

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be good for.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not good with sorcery. I don't mind science fiction

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<v Speaker 4>when it's Twilight Zony, like strange, something strange is happening, right,

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<v Speaker 4>like a family's locked on a spaceship and they don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if and then like are they actually anyway? I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going to ruin the plot on that, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not into wizards and stuff enough.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also like all nine hundred pages will which is

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<v Speaker 2>such a good ef It.

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<v Speaker 3>Should be sixteen seventeen books long, one thousand pages each night.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, in my head, the library app you

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<v Speaker 3>just keep it on when you're reading an occasion just

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<v Speaker 3>goes really that's all. No, I'm just saying that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, no, yeah, I used to love this. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a list, is not a book book podcast. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>there's this other book I like. I just there's so

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<v Speaker 4>many books. I'm like, oh gosh, I forgot to tell

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<v Speaker 4>you about this one or that one. But so these

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<v Speaker 4>are some of my favorites, not my favorite, not like

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<v Speaker 4>my only favorites. Yeah, you know we didn't give a song.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't TV show, No you can't, you can't. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>will can pick match.

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<v Speaker 3>I can pick mash is my favorite. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>have a favorite song really yeah, the masch My song

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<v Speaker 3>No I Will by Pink Floyd is my favorite song

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<v Speaker 3>of all.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a really good song, one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, it's like the best song ever written in

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion. That's just one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really good. It really gets you. But there's so

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<v Speaker 4>many songs that get you like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Well, we are basically talking to you after

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<v Speaker 1>like forty eight hours after the thirtieth anniversary of Stay

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of truly perfect songs, and that anniversary made you

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<v Speaker 1>the first independent artist to hit number one on Billboard's

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<v Speaker 1>Hot one hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure this was a label.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yes, amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very excit. I can't believe thirty years have gone by.

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<v Speaker 4>I've gotten a lot of people on social media just like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my gosh, you know, as it relates to them,

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<v Speaker 4>like weird, what thirty years because it doesn't seem that

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<v Speaker 4>far ago, you know, in some ways, but it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's such a long time ago, and I know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>really weird. And I was hanging out with my friend

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<v Speaker 4>who I was in a band with all through college,

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<v Speaker 4>So we started in a band in nineteen eighty six together,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was making music before that. And some of

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<v Speaker 4>the songs like on Tales I wrote during college, they

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<v Speaker 4>were written in like eighty eight or like eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 4>eighty eight, and it's so strange. They're just so much

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<v Speaker 4>older even than Stay. But the song's Stay has meant

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<v Speaker 4>so much to me. I mean, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>weird song because there's no chorus, really, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>also a lot more personal than a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>other songs that I had written at that point, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to my lyrics were shrouded in mystery, but

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<v Speaker 4>for me, that one was actually like I could tell

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<v Speaker 4>my well, he's not my ex boyfriend from a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time ago, Juan Patino. He knows that it was

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<v Speaker 4>like inspired by like arguments we were having. We were

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<v Speaker 4>also working together making the records. We co produced the records,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it was more personal. It does veer off

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<v Speaker 4>in a lot of weird directions, but it became a

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<v Speaker 4>good song to be one of my most successful songs

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<v Speaker 4>because it was so weird, and it gave me that

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<v Speaker 4>freedom to just sort of go with my gut and

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<v Speaker 4>do what I feel like I need to do when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to write songs, because sometimes you can try,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when something fits more in a box, you

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<v Speaker 4>feel like you have to go back to that box

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<v Speaker 4>over and over again to recreate that in order to

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<v Speaker 4>have some kind of success.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, well, when the song first started having

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<v Speaker 1>all of its success, were you able to enjoy it

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<v Speaker 1>while it was happening, Like, what are some of your

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<v Speaker 1>most salient memories of around that time?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I was lucky that the aforementioned Juan

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<v Speaker 4>Bettino was working with me because he's a very nostalgic

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<v Speaker 4>person to the point where he knows we better have

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<v Speaker 4>nostalgic moments in the moment so that when we look back,

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<v Speaker 4>we can have those nostalgic moments, you know, like capturing moments.

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<v Speaker 4>So having somebody who recognized the specialness of it happening,

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<v Speaker 4>we were able to because it was also a whirlwind.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when you become you're part of a successful thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You're busy doing that thing. You were having your hair done,

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<v Speaker 4>you were doing those you're memorizing your lines, you're playing concerts,

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<v Speaker 4>you're actually doing the thing. And I was working on

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<v Speaker 4>my next record. I was already a musician for years

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<v Speaker 4>and years and years, so I was following up on

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<v Speaker 4>that and all the business stuff that comes with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And like the people who were interested in wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>sign me, now they'd gotten more serious, and all those

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<v Speaker 4>people were really setting more specific meetings with their upper

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<v Speaker 4>the people who were in charge of them, and my

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<v Speaker 4>attorneys and my band, and we were touring to support

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<v Speaker 4>the single and looking forward to getting a record deal,

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<v Speaker 4>because at that time, getting a record deal was like

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that you get in order to like know

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<v Speaker 4>that that's your job. And as much as I did

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<v Speaker 4>have a couple of people around me. You thought I

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<v Speaker 4>had changed so much, you know, I changed the sixth

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<v Speaker 4>I was on TV because it changed changes you. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, no, God, this is like, finally, this is happening.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been working towards this, and it's been little, step

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<v Speaker 4>by step by step for years and years. But in

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 4>the middle of that, I do have such good friends

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 4>from when I was little, Like you know, some of

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 4>my newer friends are like high school friends, like I

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 4>have friends. I have one best friend I've had since

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 4>I was born, were our moms were pregnant and friends.

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 4>My friend who I celebrated her birthday yesterday, we were

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.640
<v Speaker 4>best friends since between second and third grade. So I've

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 4>had so many different friends and people who are part

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 4>of my life as friends. Some of them are people

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 4>I worked with who are now who are also my friends.

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:42.879
<v Speaker 4>Some people are my friends who I ended up working with,

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 4>like a friend of mine who ended up giving me

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 4>voice lessons for years. So I had a lot of

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 4>people in it with me, you know, sort of anchor

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 4>you yeah, And I'm just like be I'm a very

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 4>anchored person, and I in fact need to celebrate more

0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 4>and be more like floating up into the breed. The

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 4>breeze and like not paying attention. But I did have

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot of friends that I could celebraterate with and

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 4>pay attention to what was going on at the time

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 4>and call my mom and be like, oh my gosh,

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.199
<v Speaker 4>this is happening. That being said, late lately, especially with

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 4>this thirtieth anniversary, I do have either fans or friends.

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 4>And also with all the social media, there's a lot

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 4>more interaction put interaction emails, social media, a lot of

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 4>people reminding me of times that I might have met

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 4>them or did things with them, or things that we did,

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 4>or seeing pictures of things that I just I can't remember.

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 4>I mean I remember kind of, but like there are

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 4>so many memories to remember. It was such as it's

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 4>been a very dense time that time period. But I

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 4>did enjoy it. It was it was really exciting and

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 4>of course at the same time, you know, as the

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 4>as a young artist, as a young I was like

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 4>in my I was like twenty six, I'd been doing

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 4>it seriously for years. I was a couple of years

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 4>out of college or actually when when Stay went on

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 4>the charts, I graduated in ninety and that was on

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 4>the charts in ninety five, but they signed, you know,

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 4>they put it on the soundtrack in ninety three. The

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 4>song was written in ninety one or two. But it's

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 4>just there's always so much happening it's hard to take

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:11.240
<v Speaker 4>it all in.

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of that, we know that you had been

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>friends with Ethan Hawk, who gave it to Ben Stiller

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>for Reality Bites. When did you learn that it was

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be the song for the end credits.

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.719
<v Speaker 4>I didn't really know it was the song for the

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 4>end credits until I was in the movie. I got

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 4>a call when I was working at I was like

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 4>doing a temp job. I think at Ernst and Young.

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 4>I may be confusing it with another like financially large company.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 4>I was doing a lot of temp work in New York.

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I'd gone back to school to site to grad school

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 4>and psychology at NYU, but soon thereafter realized I needed

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 4>to do sort of more random, noncommittal jobs while I

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 4>was really focusing on being a musician full time. But

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 4>temp jobs were great because I could type pretty fast,

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 4>and they let me use their Xerox machines to make

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 4>flyers for my band, and it got me out of

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 4>bed at a normal hour. But anyway, I remember telling

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 4>the bosses. I had gotten a call from Ron Fair,

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 4>who was the record executive at RCA, telling me that.

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 4>And I had met Ron Fair because somebody who worked

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 4>under him at EMI Records while I was in college

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 4>wanted to sign us to their label in college, and

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 4>Ron Fair was like, no, not today. And my friend

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 4>who worked at EMI was fired and we were not

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 4>signed to EMI. But anyway, so I had already known

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 4>this executive, but he called me and we were so excited.

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 4>He said that the song was going to be on

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 4>the soundtrack, which I was excited about, but I didn't

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 4>know where it was in the movie until the movie

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 4>came out. We went to a very like low key

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 4>movie premiere. It wasn't one of these big Hollywood premiers.

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 4>It was like low key, little red carpet, you know,

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 4>because there were a lot of real authentic key people involved,

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 4>like Ethan and Ben Stiller and went on writer and

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 4>Steve Zah and Jenny Garoffalo and all these folks who

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 4>are a little bit more like you know, not yeah

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 4>and so but anyway, so we went to the premiere

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 4>and we were sitting in the seats watching the movie,

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 4>and the song never came on. You're like, oh no,

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I'm so embarrassed. Luckily it wasn't

0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 4>like I said, a huge premiere with my friends and family.

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 4>Was like some friends, and I was just like almost sweating.

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 4>I could feel my heart beating. I was like, this

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 4>is so embarrassing. Maybe it was there and I didn't

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 4>hear it, like it was one of those songs you

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 4>barely hear somebody's call coming from another room while they're

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 4>having a loud conversation in the bathroom at the bar.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 4>And then finally at the end and weirdly, people stuck

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 4>around like all of a sudden, I heard you Doo doo,

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, it was like the second end credit.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 4>So it was good because they played the entire song,

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 4>but it was like, you know, I could imagine my

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 4>mom being in the theater and being like everyone's day

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 4>the song. So nervous. I was like, oh my gosh,

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:34.880
<v Speaker 4>it's not this is one of those things where it's

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 4>like cutting room floor, this is the cutting room floor.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 4>But it was there, and it was really exciting to

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 4>hear it over the loud speakers and to be a

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 4>part of it, you.

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Know, And they did play the whole song, which is

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 3>you almost never get an entire song I know, which.

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 4>Is also now kind of a sad thing because on Netflix,

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, it goes boom right to the next movie,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 4>right when.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>The shrinks down to the corner, and you're like, wait.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm like, well, I think I still yet residuals

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 4>for that song, even though you don't always hear it anymore.

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 4>And in a couple of times in music festivals they've

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 4>played my music video at the beginning, which hopefully they

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 4>will now because we just remastered the video. We got

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 4>to work with Universal and there's Universal Music, and there's

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 4>people who can like go back to old source material

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 4>and fix because our video that was up my video

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 4>for Stay was like I feel like it was like a

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 4>copy of a copy of a video cassette that they

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 4>threw up there, and we could never get the real quality.

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Everybody's always like, oh, I love your black dress. I'm like,

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 4>it's not black, it's green, you know. I like your

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 4>black glasses. I'm like their tortoise shell they're not black.

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, we were able to remaster the video so

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 4>it's out like the newer version. It still looks and

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 4>feels like itself, which was like a big philosophical conundrum,

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 4>like does it feel like itself? Does it feel like itself?

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Even though it's like you know, they went in with

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 4>a Q tip and like cleaned it up.

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>That music video is unfor get a bowl. It was

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>directed by Ethan Hawk. It was done in one take.

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you remember from shooting it? And how many

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>times did you have to do it just to nail it?

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 4>I did it, I don't. I don't remember the exact number.

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 4>This is where I would ask Kawan Patina, like how

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 4>many times? She'd be like we shot it nine times?

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Or hey, he would remember how many times? I also

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 4>remember I remember the miracle bra. I mean, is that

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 4>what's called? Course? I think I want a wonder bra.

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 4>That was like my big push up, even though I

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 4>still look like tiny. It was I think I was

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 4>wearing a wonderbra. I was wearing a Betsy Johnson dress

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 4>that Betsy Johnson herself hemmed for me. She helped me

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 4>make it that really short. All my dresses I liked

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 4>wearing very very short as possible powerful you know, superpower

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 4>rock musician. Look Also for shorter ladies, A short dress

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 4>just makes you look tall. Yeah, it looks like a

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 4>child's shirt when you hang it in the closet, but

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 4>in reality it's an entire dress. It's like three feet

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 4>long total. And then also I remember the lipstick. I

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 4>wore the maclip stick for the first time, and Spice

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 4>was the lippencil. Everybody was very bad and I killed

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 4>my lips because it was Matt lipstick and my lips

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 4>were like dead. After that, I did a middle part,

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 4>which was weird for me, which is now very hip,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 4>but I did not wear middle part back then. I

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 4>was more of a side party person. But we did

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 4>the middle part. But I also remember I was very

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 4>headstrong because Ethan had this great idea and he'd hired

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 4>this amazing DP named Tom Richmond, who passed over the

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 4>last couple of years, which was sad. Tom had shot

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 4>the movie Midnight Clear that Ethan worked on, which was

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 4>this gorgeous movie, and he had hired this like real

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 4>film DP to shoot it. And Ethan had already shown

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 4>me in his apartment like months earlier, like what that

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 4>concept was, and we had mapped it all out in

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 4>this place, so we knew what we were doing. But

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 4>I was really headstrong in the fact that I'm like,

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 4>I not only I am, I have a band. I'm

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.479
<v Speaker 4>like a real musician. I'm not like a pop singer.

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 4>I have a band. I played guitar. I want them

0:30:58.280 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 4>in the video. That was the reason I had a

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 4>band name Nine Stories, Lisa lib and nine Stories, because

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 4>if it was just Lisa Lobe and you saw me

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 4>with the acoustic guitar at that time, you'd be like, oh,

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 4>she's a folk singer. But I wasn't a folks singer.

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 4>I like rock bands, and that's you know. I was

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 4>more of a you know, Pink Floyd led Zeppelin, the Police,

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 4>the Cure. I like some singer songwriters, but I really

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 4>felt more attracted to my rock roots. And I was like,

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 4>you have to be able to show this is like

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 4>my first I'd made music videos before, like in college,

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 4>but this was my first big deal like music video.

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 4>I was like, we have to shoot the band and

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 4>I have to play guitar. So he I forget the word,

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 4>but he let me do that. We shot a bunch

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 4>of takes with me and the band and me playing guitar,

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 4>and when we went in to try to edit a

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 4>few versions with that, it just totally it was an

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 4>horrible idea didn't work at all. So I had to

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 4>like sacrifice my vision, my vision and also my like

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 4>identification as myself. I'm like there, I was. I've never

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 4>let other than being like a musicals and stuff when

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 4>I was in college and in high school sing without

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 4>a guitar, I'm a guitar player and I'm a singer,

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.239
<v Speaker 4>and so it was very weird walking around like this,

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, other person. But it made a stronger vision,

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 4>and it did it made a much better video, and

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 4>it was fun to like mess around with later in life,

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, with funny TV commercials and other things. But

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 4>it just really made it told the story so much

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 4>better what he wanted to do. So we went with

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 4>the artistic vision, which is very Ethan and very me

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 4>in the end, even though being aware of like how

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to present myself, I was like, you know what,

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 4>and I had to battle with that for years, Like,

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, no, I really am a musician. I'm not

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 4>pretending to. Yeah, well, well.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to me, like looking back on the music

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>of the nineties in general, but particularly like the female

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>led singer songwriters of the nineties, you're really quite an

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 2>anomaly in that you're not always angry and you know

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't have that like sort of Alanis Morse at

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>edge or an a Franco like misery, and it's did

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you ever feel pressure? I mean, was there ever pressure

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>from your label or to be more sort of like

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>fitting the mold of like the rest.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 4>No, really, not really And also maybe they even did,

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 4>and I didn't notice it because I'm so like focused

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 4>on what I want to do and just that's the

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 4>way I look at life. I'm like a person who

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm like Woody Allen of songwriting, like sort of overthinking

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 4>and erotic and like what about this? Well, maybe they do.

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Let you know, I had my song do You Sleep,

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 4>which was written earlier, which was all the different things

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 4>like I'm so sad you know we're not together anymore,

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 4>but but do you still think about me? But you

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 4>know you ruin my life? You know, just like the

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 4>back and forth that you actually go through in your mind.

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 4>That's that's more my style, more sort of in my

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 4>head with definitely anger and sadness and depression and all

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 4>those things. But it's just not my style exactly to

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 4>be like that, that's not my thing.

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Back taking it back to the beginning. Do you remember

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 3>finding music in your life? Do you remember kind of

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the first music that you listened to that put you

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 3>on this path.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 4>Or everything, everything from when I was a baby. I mean,

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 4>my mom says that that she used to play my

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 4>older brother classical music when she was pregnant with him,

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 4>and he ended up being a classical pianist. And I

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 4>was like, what did you play for me? She's like, well,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 4>we were in the car. We were listening to like

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 4>something about a Stairway to Heaven, and you know, like

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 4>we listened to what was on the radio. I listened

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 4>to a lot of soft pop through the seventies, even

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 4>the music like on the little Fisher Price little plastic

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 4>record player. I would hear those songs and they would

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 4>just break my heart. Some of them were so beautiful,

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 4>those little music box songs and songs and synagogue and

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 4>songs my dad would play on the piano, Raindrops keep

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>Falling in your Head and old timey songs like Don't

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 4>Fence Me In and It's Funny. I just I just

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 4>made a record of all those old times. Not rain Drops,

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 4>but some of the more old sort of forties and fifties, sixties, songs.

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 4>I made a record with a band called The Hollow

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 4>Trees that we've started putting out songs. But ever since

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 4>I was little, music just really it struck me. I

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 4>don't know, I mean really little, you know, before you

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 4>even remember. I remember that. I remember a housekeeper vacuuming

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 4>and she was playing Mamas and the Papas and kind

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 4>of doing this groovy dance. And I was looking at

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 4>the cover with the split I don't know, there's like

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 4>a cover with all the band members and it's it's

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 4>dye cut. It's split in half and you can switch

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 4>the faces the top of their faces and faces depending

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 4>on how you look at it. And I would just

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 4>stare at that, and you know, Sergeant Pepper and Queen

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 4>and all of it. I was just obsessed. And the

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 4>clock radio, the clock radio, Bread and the Beg's and like, yeah,

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 4>have you never been Mello? You know, Livy Neton John

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 4>and everyone knows it's windy, like rock the Boat and

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 4>old disco and R and B and just.

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Everything by the way, I mean, people like people are

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 3>are starting to go back and listen to the Begi's

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 3>and Mama's Soca and just kind of go, oh wow,

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 3>we missed an entire genre of music. Oh my gosh,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 3>because the Beg's especially were given such hell for so long. Yeah,

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 3>they disco, Oh they did all this. But when you

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 3>actually look at the Beg's catalog, I mean they were

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 3>it's amazing.

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's that kind of music is coming back.

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny. Yeah, that's kind of the stuff that

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 3>you were gravitating towards.

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 4>Its great Well, it was just great melodies and great songs,

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 4>and anyway, I'm obsessed. There's just so much music that

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 4>you get when you're little. My parents had a lot

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 4>of music playing in the house all the time. So

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 4>do you still enjoy performing stay? Do you have to

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 4>do little tricks or changes for yourself to keep it

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 4>fresh and fun?

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's not an easy song to sing, so

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 4>that's a little scary. I can always it's I play

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 4>it with a kapo, which means I could make it

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 4>lower and lower, but it doesn't. It doesn't doesn't necessarily

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 4>make it easier. It's hard to sing. And there's a

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 4>couple of lyrics where I'm like, oh, I got really

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 4>off track on this, but but it's still I understand.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 4>It means something to somebody, and I do listen to

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 4>a lot of I mean, I listen to a lot

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 4>of music that it always doesn't make sense percent, but

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 4>there's a whole thing about it, and I love the

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 4>audience is really excited to hear it, and I appreciate

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 4>what it's done for me in my career and the

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 4>freedom and the freedom creative freedom, and the opportunities to

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 4>travel and play with other people. It's just it means

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 4>a lot to me, and it is pretty representative of

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 4>the kind of songs I enjoy writing, so you know,

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 4>it's something I enjoyed doing. I forgot to play it.

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 4>The other night. I was playing a concert with Lyle

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 4>love It. We did a whole tour and we were

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:34.399
<v Speaker 4>both on stage. He would play a song and talk

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 4>and we'd talk to each other and I'd play a song,

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 4>kind of like songwriters thing, and we got a call

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 4>from the but there was no set list and we

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>were just playing what we felt like playing. And about

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:44.840
<v Speaker 4>halfway through the tour, I got a call from the

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 4>promoters saying people were a little disappointed that I hadn't

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 4>played Stay, and I totally forgot. I forgot. Normally somebody

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 4>might yell it out like I don't usually I stop.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't play it on my when I do children's

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 4>shows because I have a lot of family friendly music.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't playing it in my children's show, and then

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 4>I realized after the fact, parents were like, oh, why

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't you play that. I'm like, if somebody I even

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 4>open it up to request, if somebody requests a grown

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 4>up song, I'll play it. But I love playing it.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 4>I didn't not play it on purpose. I'm not mad

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 4>at it. I'm very happy about it. I just got

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 4>busy playing other songs. But it means so much to me,

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 4>and I know it means a lot to other people.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 4>I know what some of my favorite pop songs mean

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 4>to me, so if they don't play those songs, I'm

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.399
<v Speaker 4>really annoyed, and I think it's really irresponsible for those

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 4>musics and musicians to ignore me and not play my

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:31.280
<v Speaker 4>favorite songs.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>When I say down, you know, do you ever change

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics?

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Not on purpose. I've had, unfortunately brain moments where I

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 4>used to. Actually I remember doing a promotional tour with

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 4>duezl Zappa, which was probably six or seven years after

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 4>the song came out, and i'd been singing the song

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 4>for years before it came out, and we were in

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 4>some radio promo and it was early in the morning,

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and I would get halfway through the song and I

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 4>I would have no idea what was happening, and then

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 4>I would skip parts and I would just and then

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 4>I had to like really think about it and realize

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 4>the song was so weird that if I didn't think

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 4>about it and just sung it, it would just lead

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 4>me to the next part, to the next part, to

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 4>the next part. And I couldn't leave out a verse,

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 4>which I do sometimes in songs because it can't it's

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 4>not possible. But yeah, sometimes I can't think about it

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 4>too hard, Yeah, because I'll forget it. It's bad.

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, after Tales and Firecracker, you were also a part

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>of the legendary Lilith Fair Tour in nineteen ninety seven,

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>a show that helped define an entire generation of singer songwriters.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>So I know I'm about to read a lot of names,

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to read the list of fellow mainstage artists.

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You shared the bill with Fiona Apple, Tracy Bonham, Meredith Brooks,

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>The Cardigans, Mary Mary Chapin Carpenters. How do you say that, okay,

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Tracy Chapman, Paula Cole, Sean Colvin, Cheryl Crow, Indigo Girls,

0:39:56.719 --> 0:40:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Emmy Lou Harris Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Joan OSB and Suzanne Vega.

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>That is like a quint essential mixtape for an entire genre.

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 4>And more and way more. It was. It was incredible.

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 4>You know. Sarah McLaughlin had had an idea that it

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 4>was funny at first. When I heard about it, she

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 4>invited me to play a show that was like the

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 4>prequel year to the actual Lilith Fair. I got a

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, I got a note like, oh, Sarah McLaughlin

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 4>wants to do this women's concert. Would you like to play?

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 4>We're doing a couple to try it out. And I

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 4>was like not really, Like I don't want to play

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 4>a women's concert. I went to all girls school. I

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 4>don't like separating myself out as a woman musician. I

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.280
<v Speaker 4>don't like being good for a girl. I'm just a musician.

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't like all my mentors of musicians aren't women.

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 4>This is just not for me. And then they followed

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 4>it up saying, well, it's it'll be you. Patti Smith,

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 4>Sarah McLachlan, Amy Mann, Paula Cole. I was like, yes,

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 4>I would love to do that concert with those other

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.839
<v Speaker 4>fellow musicians, like this is like, this is great, what

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 4>a great you know, I might have mixed up, you

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 4>know some There were a good handful of artists on

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 4>each show that I got to be a part of,

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:11.439
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, this is great, Like of course

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.359
<v Speaker 4>I want to do this. And it took and it

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 4>got my prejudice away because it made me realize, you know,

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 4>I was glad when she needed to do what she

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 4>was doing because they literally were telling us, you know,

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 4>we'd hear from the radio departments at our major labels, Yeah,

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 4>they can't play you because they're playing Sheryl Crow. Like

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.280
<v Speaker 4>literally they're playing one woman, so they can't play another woman.

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 4>It was disgusting. Yeah, what does it even mean?

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, back in the day, it was like it

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 4>was considered like almost like a a category that box. Yeah,

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 4>which is really crazy to think about now, but it

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 4>was just the way it was. And and so that

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.279
<v Speaker 4>ended up being a huge effect of her putting this

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 4>festival together to prove, like you know, on the craft side,

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of women can make a bunch of money

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 4>for somebody on the not craft side. It was just great,

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 4>like all this great music. There were men, lots of men,

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 4>but women lead singers, band leaders, and it was really fun.

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 4>We ended up like it was almost like a summer camp.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Like all the shows you got to go on. We

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 4>would we literally would sit backstage and talk to each

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 4>other and talk about our lives or our careers. And

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:26.399
<v Speaker 4>because like the Indigo girls were on there on the

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 4>on the thing, they have great songs to sing along,

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 4>like Closer to Find, and so they would ask us

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 4>all to sing. And I'm terrible with lyrics, but we'd

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 4>all sit back there and learn our lyrics and sing

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 4>with each other and you know, connect. Actually, it was

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 4>like we actually connected. Emmy Lou Harris sang on some

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 4>of my songs. Well, on one of my songs it's

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 4>on the lolith Fair recording. But I realized that and

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 4>other festival situations are really important for camaraderie, for connecting

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 4>with other musicians because music is a very it's a

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 4>very loner thing. You know, you're in your room writing,

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 4>you're with a group of people recording, maybe you're on

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 4>tour with just your band or your band and maybe

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 4>one other band. It's very it's very by yourself. So

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 4>it was really cool to be in a place that

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 4>was you know, you're celebrating who you are and with

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 4>other people. And it reminded me of all girls school

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.319
<v Speaker 4>where there is just something. I'm rubbing my fingers together

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 4>if you're just listening, but like there's just something. It's

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 4>just a sick like it's something you can't put your

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 4>finger on. It's like it's just a different atmosphere when

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 4>it's a world led by women. Again, no offense to men.

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 4>There were a lot of men there. They really enjoyed

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 4>the concert. It was just the tone, the support of nature,

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 4>the badassness of the variety of types of music. There

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 4>was just something different there and I think it carried forward,

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, it affected everything else after.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 3>It was your girls school back East just curious, you.

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 4>Know, it was in Texas. It was a prep school,

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 4>which was very East coasty, but it was also had

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 4>a finishing school element about it because it's Southern. So

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, learn to poortis sit properly on stage but

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 4>also write crazy essays and really intense you know, lots

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 4>of ap courses and all that stuff.

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 1>So you have also been passionate about radio since basically

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>high school. And now you have a show on Sirius

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 1>XM called Nineties on nine.

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Which I love. Yeah, it's on the nineties on nine channel. Yes,

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 4>what is it about? Stay Stay with Lisa Loebe. You

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 4>know we decided back in the nineties, I would have

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 4>been like, are you kidding me? I'm not using my

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 4>song title the popular song. But now I'm like, oh,

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 4>those are the people who are like, you're that girl

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 4>with glasses. I know you. You know, I'll listen to you.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, that's not something to run away from. That's

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 4>just people's way of identifying your way to get.

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Get them in and then then they'll stay.

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.720
<v Speaker 4>Exactly. It's like, well that's the gateway meet of my songs.

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.239
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's called Stay with Lisa Loebe. And I've

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 4>had a podcast up to now called Where They Are Now.

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 4>It's a special interview segment that turned into a podcast

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 4>that I believe is turning back into maybe just an

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 4>interview segment where I talk to people about what they

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:14.839
<v Speaker 4>did in the nineties and what they're doing now. Because

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 4>there are so many musicians out there who you know

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 4>from the nineties who are still very active, just like

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 4>what you guys are doing, I mean, very nineties centered,

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 4>but people are very present as well. But I know,

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 4>I was a DJ in high school for three years.

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 4>I loved it so much. I was at the boys'

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 4>school because they didn't have a radio station at our school.

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 4>It was eighty eight point five Caroism and I had

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 4>a show and I would I loved, you know, being

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 4>a DJ and and so then. But back in that day,

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I decided all the music I played. It was not programmed.

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 4>I just picked the music I wanted to play, and

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 4>it ranged from all that stuff we're talking about, to

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.359
<v Speaker 4>local bands to sound effects of a man falling down

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 4>the stairs and poster giveaways and all kinds of stuff.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 4>And I really enjoyed it. But it's fun, it's interesting,

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 4>you know. I understand I'm connected with the nineties. You know,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 4>we're all connected with the nineties here.

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:00.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 1>What is it about radio that you're just so passionate about?

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>What do you love about it?

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>I think what I like is the thing that's not

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 4>exactly the radio. It's connecting with people. You know. It's

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 4>like finding out My favorite things are to find out

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 4>what people have to say about that time and sharing that,

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:18.879
<v Speaker 4>you know, Like, I also have a segment called your

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Story Your Song, where you can tell us your favorite

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 4>song from the nineties and your memories of it. So,

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's just like a natural thing. And

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 4>also what they want me to do the ninety the

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 4>series XM Folks, they want me to talk about random stuff.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 4>And I've always been really into random things. I love

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 4>that ever since I was a kid. I just like

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 4>chotchkeys and things and talking about, you know, what happened

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 4>on some TV show that I liked and some you know,

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 4>nerding out on something, And that's really what they want

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 4>me to talk about. I hear about it on social

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 4>media every once in a while. They're like, why are

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 4>you talking about that? Why are you saying all this

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 4>stuff about yourself from the nineties. I'm like, because that's

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 4>what they asked me to do, talking about my experience

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 4>of being in the nineties, and also now that's what

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 4>I do.

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>So one of the reasons that you came up on

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 2>this podcast and that we started talking about you a

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>lot was because there was this podcast called sixty Songs

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 2>That Define the Nineties. Do you know this I.

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 4>Don't know, maybe I may have forgotten.

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 2>It's really good.

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 4>You should.

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 2>You should listen to it. But it's this it's this

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>journalist Rob Harvilla and he I mentioned it on this

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 2>podcast and he because I was listening to it and

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>just loving because he does like one song per episode

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:28.280
<v Speaker 2>where he just does a deep dive on the history

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>of the band and the song and then his personal

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>connection to it, and it's really great.

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 4>That's good.

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned it and on the show and then he

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, Hey, do you want to come be a

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>guest on it? And I said, yeah, sure, and he

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 2>sent me a list of the songs that I could

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:42.720
<v Speaker 2>choose from that he was planning to do and Stay

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>was on there, and I was like, I'm doing Stay.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>So we did the whole episode on Stay. And it's

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a really good episode. I'm only a small part of it.

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like at the last ten minutes of it, but

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>he has it's a really you should give it a.

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 4>List because but was it on MPR. No, No, no,

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 4>I think we're doing all this celebration of Stay. I'm

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.760
<v Speaker 4>going to find that. Yeah, we should post it.

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 2>It's really great because he ends up having actually like

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting kind of personal tragedy associated with the

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>song that is is quite moving and there's a lot

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 2>of like a lot of our discussion was reassessing reality

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 2>bites as a romantic comedy. Yeah, and you know we

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of dive into like was that ending the right ending?

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.879
<v Speaker 4>Where this sounds familiar. I'm going to go back and listen.

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 4>This sounds really good. It's weird though, also being from

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 4>in quotation marks from the nineties, because it's just like life,

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 4>like when people are like, make sure you take a

0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 4>lot of pictures for your socials, You're like, I'm working,

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm literally on stage, not taking pictures of myself for socials.

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:42.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm literally talking to friends at a party at a premiere.

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm not taking pictures and then standing in a corner posting.

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 4>Like in the nineties, I was working in on tour

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 4>and still listening to songs from the eighties in the seventies,

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 4>and I didn't always know what was popular in the nineties.

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, some things popped through to me, like space

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 4>Hog or I Love Joan Osborne again. I got to

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 4>know her more from even though she was a local

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 4>musician when I was a local musician in New York.

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 4>I was so busy playing gigs. I never ended up

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 4>seeing her play. And then for Lili's Fairy started watching

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.880
<v Speaker 4>her and I was blown away. She's got this crazy voice.

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 4>She's like unbelievable singer. And same with like Paula Cole

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 4>and she produces all of her music and Cheryl Crow like.

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 4>I knew some people's hits, but I didn't know their

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 4>catalog and what they were like for real, you know.

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 4>And and then there's other music I've never even heard

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 4>before that I that I'll here on nineties stations. I

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 4>just didn't know, you know, I know was great.

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Space Hog was one of those bands that was hugely

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 3>underrated in the nineties. I love Wonders, Yeah, and they.

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Had a bunch of I don't know, in my brain

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 4>they were like hugely like like they were like Radiohead.

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 4>Travis Travis the Band, Travis the Man who I love

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 4>that album? Anyway. How did how did your transition from

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 4>singing to acting happen? I was an actor way before

0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 4>I was a professional musician. It was just something I

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.280
<v Speaker 4>did growing up. I always studied acting. I was always

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 4>in all the plays. I went away and studied acting

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 4>in New York and in London. In high school, I

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 4>did plays and things. All through college. We had a

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.880
<v Speaker 4>soap opera that Doug Lyman directed the theater. We went

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 4>to college together. He had a soap opera that he

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:20.799
<v Speaker 4>put together that we all did in college. So it

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 4>was the thing that I really wanted to do. I

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 4>was often cast as a child because I am very

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 4>young and in college young and petite, and music was

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:33.400
<v Speaker 4>the thing that was really taking off more. We were

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 4>filling the houses, my friend and I who had a band.

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 4>It was always packed houses getting gigs in New York City,

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.320
<v Speaker 4>and it was sort of like going step by step,

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 4>whereas with acting, I had my head shots and this

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:45.960
<v Speaker 4>and that, and then I was like, I don't know

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 4>if I want to be walking around New York City

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 4>with my head shots. And in the meantime, I was

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.319
<v Speaker 4>so busy playing music. That was really the thing in

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 4>the forefront. And then as soon as the music kind

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.280
<v Speaker 4>of was settling in, I've been going back to acting.

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 4>You know again, acting a quote marks a lot of

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 4>cameos and things like that. But that was my love.

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 4>That was what I really wanted to do when I

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 4>grew up, and I remember I write out of college.

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:09.720
<v Speaker 4>Right out of high school, I had taken a class

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 4>with Mark Hirschfeld, the casting director, and I had taken

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 4>a class with him in high school, and he was like,

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, come meet with me in LA. And I

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.360
<v Speaker 4>went and met with him in LA right after high school,

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 4>like the between high school and college, and he's like, yeah,

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.919
<v Speaker 4>you should go to college. But you know, we've kept

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 4>in touch and he's actually with that nineties show and

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of other stuff, and you know, it's just

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 4>something I love doing. I just I'm that's just something

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:37.359
<v Speaker 4>I grew up doing and studied a lot. So that's

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.879
<v Speaker 4>so great. That's where it came from.

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you still do it? Do you still enjoy acting?

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Or I do?

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 4>But it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous because

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm not good at memorizing. But like when I did

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:50.320
<v Speaker 4>this is a funny example, but when I did Fuller House,

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 4>it was great because they actually gave me scenes. I

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 4>played myself, but we talked it through. I had actual

0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 4>scenes with multiple lines and conversations, and and because you

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 4>get to work on those sitcoms for a week, we

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 4>actually the lines like a play. They actually get in you.

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 4>And also It wasn't like some of the sitcoms I'd

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 4>done in the nineties, which are super high energy, where

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 4>you're like, hey, guys, what's up. Let it out, like,

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 4>that's not my energy. I'm I have a low energy

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 4>type of person, and even my high energy is more low.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 4>And also now I'm not as embarrassed being high energy

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 4>if I need to be, like to fit whatever the

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 4>genre is. But it's just it was really fun. It

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh my gosh, this reminds me of when

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I get to be in plays and you really you

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 4>have time to know the lines and get to know

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 4>it and really be in that person, in that character,

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 4>which I love that. I love being in that conversation.

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 4>But one day, I'll one day I'll return. I want

0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 4>to do like Broadway or or something that would be

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.400
<v Speaker 4>so cool, that would be amazing. But yeah, I was

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 4>in an independent film and there and they're like I

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 4>just I was like, oh, I'll get the lines, I'll

0:52:58.239 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 4>be fine. And then I get on set and I'm like,

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 4>all these people, this is their one job. They don't

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.280
<v Speaker 4>There are younger people, some of them don't have children

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 4>or anything, and they know their lines and they've been

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 4>doing this and they're really serious and they and I'm thinking,

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm serious, But I was doing seven million other things,

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 4>my radio show and taking my kids to school and

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 4>going to do this tour and end this album and

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 4>this thing and that thing. And then I'm like on

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 4>set and I'm like they're like, all right, let's go,

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 4>and there's no rehearsal, and you just go and you're like, yeah,

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.959
<v Speaker 4>this is hard a lot but memorizing. But it's funny.

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:31.919
<v Speaker 4>I've been listening to Barbara Streisand's book and she talks

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.840
<v Speaker 4>about a lot of actors and really major serious actors

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 4>that we all look up to. They've got lines written

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:42.240
<v Speaker 4>all over the place. Hey, they've got every Brandow method.

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was just hiding notes all over But he

0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 2>actually didn't want to memorize. He wanted to like live

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:46.479
<v Speaker 2>in the moment.

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 4>As much as that's excuse me, but it's true, Like

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 4>you do want to live in the moment, but yeah,

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 4>you know. And also, I was on the set of

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 4>a particular sitcom years ago, very popular one, and the

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 4>nanny shocked No, the nanny, the nanny, Oh that you're

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 4>saying nanny. I was like, oh my god, I just

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 4>finished watching this is us the nanny I was. I

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:05.160
<v Speaker 4>had my lines, but I was so nervous and it

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 4>was so high energy and it was like barely any lines,

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 4>but whatever. But many years later it was I'm not

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 4>telling you which one, but literally every two lines, one

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.400
<v Speaker 4>of the main actress would be like line line and

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.439
<v Speaker 4>then there were cue cards and the whole thing was, wait,

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.439
<v Speaker 4>I've been avoiding doing this because I was nervous about

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<v Speaker 4>learning my lines, and this was this was an option.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not really an option if you're not, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>years into a sit combat, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean voice voiceover, So there's the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I love doing voiceover.

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<v Speaker 3>I love so voiceover. I love. That's like my favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Me too, because you're like there with your studio and

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 4>you're just doing your thing. I love it too. But

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, do you have trouble learning your lines? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't do act. I don't act anymore, so I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's been a while since I don't have trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had to try, you know, I've I've been a

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<v Speaker 3>voiceover actor for twenty years now, so it's so different.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a muscle that you get back pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to get it. Maybe you'll help me, you

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<v Speaker 4>can help. I need to practice before it's time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>also practicing like I did remember on the thing I

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 4>felt most comfortable doing. More recently, I heard one actres saying,

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<v Speaker 4>it just takes me a certain number of minutes per page,

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<v Speaker 4>and it just it is what it is. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm working on writing a book right now. Like the

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<v Speaker 4>process is what it is. It's not like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not a soap opera actor. I was talking to a

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<v Speaker 4>friend of mine who's a soap opera actor and they literally, like.

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<v Speaker 3>The gay page, no time, but if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Never did that. But like, I need to practice that.

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 4>I need to practice memorizing things. You mentioned your kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have You have two kids? I have two kids. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>How old are they? Eleven and fourteen? Oh my gosh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>fifth grade? And one of them is home sick today.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I don't think he's sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have two questions for you then, regarding that,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you find time to do.

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<v Speaker 4>All of the things that you do? I have two

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 4>kids as well.

0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.040
<v Speaker 1>I do a fraction of the things you do, but

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it's still a lot of things. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>every moment of my day, every single day, is scheduled out.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you find the time? Yeah, it is, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I'm good at compartmentalizing. I'm trying to find

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 4>more childcare, actually child supervision I call it, because they're

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.439
<v Speaker 4>literally sometimes childcare for our kids. Any of you would

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 4>like to do it. Come over, order sushi from sushi,

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<v Speaker 4>stop and watch a movie and just be a person

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<v Speaker 4>in the house. Make sure you go to bed around

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<v Speaker 4>nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a job.

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 4>It's really really hard. And when they're playing video games

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 4>it pays twenty five dollars an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>You can eat a book.

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 4>You can just read a book, eat food, maybe take

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 4>a walk with them to man cheese or something. That's

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 4>it exactly what we doantly. So it's hard. It's really hard,

0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 4>and I keep trying to do less because there's lots

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 4>of things I want to do and I want to

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<v Speaker 4>do them well and I want to do them deeply.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned I'm trying to work on a book, which

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 4>I shouldn't be even saying until it's done. But I

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 4>finally was like, I'm hiring a coach, not to write

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<v Speaker 4>with me, not to write for me literally like a trainer.

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Like I know, I've been working out doing strength training

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 4>since I was in high school. I know I could

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.560
<v Speaker 4>teach you your full workout in seven different ways to

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 4>do tricep, you know, kickbacks or whatever. But I prefer

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 4>to meet with my trainer because I need a babysitter.

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 4>I need to know that I have a time and

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.640
<v Speaker 4>a place to do it. So literally, my coaching session

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 4>I just had, we met up. We talked about a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of things. We put ourselves on mute and silence

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 4>and no screens, and I sat and wrote for forty minutes,

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 4>and then we checked back in. I read her what

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 4>I wrote. She was encouraging, you know, also encouraging, like

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 4>keeping you from overthinking everything. But but like I don't know,

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm always looking. I'm trying to I always try to

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 4>lose my manager or my team if I the people

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 4>that I work with, my housekeeper. Thank God for my housekeeper.

0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 4>He's been working with me for like thirty years. He's

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 4>my main person in my life. But like just trying

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 4>my best to do all the things. I know. I

0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 4>just got a text from one of the moms asking

0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 4>if I was going to be chairman of Lost and

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 4>Found next year again for the like second or third year,

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I love doing Lost and Found, like

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.680
<v Speaker 4>literally looking at name tags and putting things away. I

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 4>don't think I can do the Chairman next year. I've

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 4>been doing it, but I've been on tour and I

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:15.600
<v Speaker 4>haven't been getting those sweatshirts back to those kids.

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Get to kids stuff. If if nobody claims.

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:20.640
<v Speaker 4>We donate it, you donate it. We don't know. But yeah,

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 4>but anybody can keep it. I mean, anybody can go

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 4>look at this stuff and be like eh. But but anyway,

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. It's hard. It's hard and a lot

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:29.959
<v Speaker 4>of like being introspective and trying to take a step

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 4>back and saying, like, what is my priority? You know today,

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.400
<v Speaker 4>my priority actually is to sit here and watch This

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 4>is Us and eat popcorn quietly in the house because

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.760
<v Speaker 4>nobody is in the house. My vacation is that hour.

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 4>My priority is to work for three hours while the

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 4>kids are playing with their friends on a weekend. I

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 4>don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. I have

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:54.160
<v Speaker 4>a list of things that are the most important, like sleep, learn,

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, whatever my own personal self care things are.

0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 4>But then also the kids come first. Family comes first.

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, what do you do? How do you do

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 4>and hair? Yeah, Micha, Well when.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find are are you still writing songs? I'm

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.040
<v Speaker 2>assuming you're still writing? So when does that happen? Is

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 2>that like a late night along with your guitar or

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 2>is that like something you have to set aside time

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 2>for and say I'm going to write a song.

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, both I capture songs when I have ideas or

0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 4>parts of songs, and then often I have to collaborate

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 4>with people to make myself sit down, just like a trainer,

0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 4>sit down and collaborate to get the thing done. But

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 4>talking about voiceovers, I just did a collaboration with Debbie

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.200
<v Speaker 4>darry Berry, who's a great voiceover artist, an actor. She's

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Jimmy Neutron and she's doing music. She started actually with

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 4>music and now she's back to doing music and she's like, oh,

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 4>you want to write a song. And so when people

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:41.479
<v Speaker 4>ask me, you know, we sat and we wrote this song.

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 4>It's very cool. It's about compost but it's really catchy song.

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 4>But you know, you just get sucked in and you

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 4>do these things and you make time and you things

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 4>take longer than they should sometimes and I don't know.

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'm just glad to know that's that's a

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<v Speaker 1>real answer, and I'm glad to know there isn't an answer,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's always how I feel too. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>really it changes week to week and month to month,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Because and like your son's home sick from school, You're like, Okay,

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:17.920
<v Speaker 4>last time he was home when I was trying to

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<v Speaker 4>work with my writing coach, totally messed up the whole hour.

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<v Speaker 4>I love my son so much and I love spending

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:26.960
<v Speaker 4>time with him, but it changes your workflow, It changes everything.

1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 4>You have to be so intentional all the time. And

1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:32.160
<v Speaker 4>also I hate that phrase, but like give yourself grace,

1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.240
<v Speaker 4>like doing your best. I know it's true. Like you're like,

1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:38.920
<v Speaker 4>you know what, you're tired, take a nap, bewake, like

1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.800
<v Speaker 4>drink a really fun Lacroix coconut. I feel like you're

1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:48.320
<v Speaker 4>at the beach, like I don't know, yeh, ask for help? Yes,

1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:52.200
<v Speaker 4>Like like you know, look at your life all the

1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 4>time and say, what do I like doing? What am

1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 4>I getting paid to do? You know, what do I

1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.680
<v Speaker 4>want to do when I grow up. Where do I

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:03.520
<v Speaker 4>want to go? Oh? I don't know. Stay healthy, do

1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:07.320
<v Speaker 4>your basic exercises in your eating and drinking foods that

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<v Speaker 4>you like.

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<v Speaker 1>Do either of your kids show any interest in music

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<v Speaker 1>or acting?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I saw my daughter do some acting. She

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't act like she shows any interest in it. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And it's funny in the world now, if

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<v Speaker 4>your kid's in eighth grade and they haven't become a

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<v Speaker 4>professional you know whatever, you know, baseball player or actor

1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.520
<v Speaker 4>or musician, they are too late. But you know, a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of us didn't even start playing instruments until we were,

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<v Speaker 4>like in high school. I have a feeling there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things like that in the future. My daughter

1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 4>does play ukulele and she sings in her room, but

1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I've heard her sing it. She's got a beautiful voice.

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<v Speaker 4>She's also a poet. So I wonder where being a

1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:49.000
<v Speaker 4>really good writer and a good singer wow might lead

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<v Speaker 4>to At some point, I would, you know, there's no pressure,

1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:54.520
<v Speaker 4>but I do. And with my son, they both love

1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:58.480
<v Speaker 4>music and know a lot about music, and I just

1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 4>hope they continue to enjoy it and branch out with

1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 4>their interests, you know. I love that done.

1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:09.400
<v Speaker 1>You're so prolific with kids music and books, and your

1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.160
<v Speaker 1>album Feel What You Feel even won a Grammy for

1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Best Children's Album in twenty eighteen. It has such an

1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>amazing message. What is it that makes you so creative

1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.520
<v Speaker 1>when writing for and helping a younger demographic?

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<v Speaker 4>I think, well, one, I started collaborating a lot, and

1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.160
<v Speaker 4>when you're working with other people, ideas can really gel.

1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:35.600
<v Speaker 4>And also you can capture ideas that you didn't even

1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:38.840
<v Speaker 4>know were interesting. Sometimes you're like, oh, that's not important,

1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:41.320
<v Speaker 4>and that actually it's funny. On my most recent grown

1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:44.280
<v Speaker 4>up record, A Simple Trick to Happiness was affected by

1:02:44.320 --> 1:02:48.400
<v Speaker 4>my children's music, because when you collaborate with other people

1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:50.840
<v Speaker 4>and when you're talking to parents outside of school and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>somebody says something to somebody else. You say something to

1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.439
<v Speaker 4>somebody just like we're talking and you're like, oh my gosh,

1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:57.440
<v Speaker 4>I never thought about that. Like to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>like whatever, it's something I think about all the time.

1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:02.080
<v Speaker 4>Or you might say something to me and I'm like, wait, what,

1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.160
<v Speaker 4>it's mind blowing. So I try to capture those messages

1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:07.919
<v Speaker 4>in songs somehow, and I did that for my grown

1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.560
<v Speaker 4>Up record. But that was like the kids' music. It's

1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:14.640
<v Speaker 4>a freeing kind of It can be a lazy genre,

1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:16.560
<v Speaker 4>like people can be like, oh, you can say anything,

1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:19.439
<v Speaker 4>it's kids music, or it's a musical whatever. You could

1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:22.640
<v Speaker 4>do anything. But on the other hand, you can also

1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:26.280
<v Speaker 4>try to craft things that you really can be more

1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.880
<v Speaker 4>creative and open minded when you're writing, and it's a

1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:32.480
<v Speaker 4>fun place to mess around with. Genres like step like

1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.600
<v Speaker 4>Feel What you Feel had a lot of influence from

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:36.960
<v Speaker 4>Free to Be You and Me, which is from the seventies.

1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:39.720
<v Speaker 4>My Camp Lisa record, which was an earlier record, was

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<v Speaker 4>really influenced by a lot of soft pop from the

1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:44.600
<v Speaker 4>seventies and bread and lots of harmonies, and we had

1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:46.880
<v Speaker 4>a lot of guests and stuff. So it's just a

1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:51.720
<v Speaker 4>very freeing genre and it's really fun. You can get

1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:54.760
<v Speaker 4>really sad, you can get very have storytellings, you can

1:03:54.800 --> 1:03:58.760
<v Speaker 4>be silly all in one record. And I like that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's as a person who likes to make stuff that's

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<v Speaker 4>so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So one final question, it's a practice. We found

1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.600
<v Speaker 1>ourselves wondering a lot as we watched back the episodes

1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:13.640
<v Speaker 1>we taped thirty years ago. But watching the incredible music

1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:16.680
<v Speaker 1>video for Stay, which has now been updated for the times.

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<v Speaker 1>When you see that Lisa Lobe about to have her

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<v Speaker 1>life changed forever, what would you want to tell her?

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<v Speaker 4>Now? Wow, I haven't thought about that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>probably I would probably say stick with your guns, you know,

1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:35.479
<v Speaker 4>like at that time we were talking about Lilith Fair.

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<v Speaker 4>But even still just the general state of feminism, you

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<v Speaker 4>just get a general feeling that what you have to

1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:47.080
<v Speaker 4>say is bothering somebody or annoying or pushy or and

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<v Speaker 4>I felt that a lot as a young artist, but

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<v Speaker 4>I had been doing it for so many years, ever

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<v Speaker 4>since I was in high school. I was recording my

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<v Speaker 4>own music, like I knew what I wanted, I knew

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<v Speaker 4>what I wanted to hear. Sometimes it was scary to

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<v Speaker 4>collaborate with others because I felt like they were going

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<v Speaker 4>to try to take over, or they wouldn't take me seriously,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning like they wouldn't listen to me, not take me

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<v Speaker 4>seriously like I'm so important, but just like literally collaborate

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<v Speaker 4>on an even basis. So I would say, like, be yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, don't which I did, But it was still

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<v Speaker 4>this feeling of holding back always always if we do

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<v Speaker 4>that as women, anyway, like always feeling like you might

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<v Speaker 4>ruffle someone's feathers, you might say something that will hit

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<v Speaker 4>them in the wrong way. Growing up both at the girls' school,

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<v Speaker 4>Like the proper way to act is that you respect others,

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<v Speaker 4>but also the values of my family. Growing up, you

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<v Speaker 4>respect others, but it can cross the line to where

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<v Speaker 4>you're not respecting yourself and you're not speaking. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no dream too big, and there's no there's no

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<v Speaker 4>idea that's stupid. Really, like you always fight for what

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<v Speaker 4>you want and then also at the same time, don't

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<v Speaker 4>be afraid to collaborate. It took me a really long

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<v Speaker 4>time to really feel the comfort that I feel in collaboration.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so many things that I've broken out of my

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<v Speaker 4>anxiety or fear or depression for doing because I'm just trying.

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<v Speaker 4>Like even the acting thing we're talking about, like it's

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<v Speaker 4>scary to memorize stuff, Well, great, tell the makeup artist

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<v Speaker 4>or tell the person on the set, like I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized there's millions of actors over there, like sitting

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<v Speaker 4>going over their lines over and over and over and

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<v Speaker 4>over again. It's not embarrassing, it's just being a person

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<v Speaker 4>doing a job. Everybody does things in different ways. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I said it in my song, which was

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<v Speaker 4>another top Footy hit, my song I Do. It was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like a really straightforward thing to say, but

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<v Speaker 4>I meant it like everybody feels this way sometimes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like it's okay to be a human, so it's so

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<v Speaker 4>collaborating asking for help but also being yourself one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent fully, don't be scared of that, And I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I am excited and proud I have accomplished a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>and at the same time, there's so much more that

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<v Speaker 4>I could have, should have would have done if I

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<v Speaker 4>weren't scared, you know, to do it. Or we're having

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<v Speaker 4>this slight feeling of anxiety or a large feeling of anxiety,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, overshadowed by a busy life. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think we have our whole world in front of us,

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<v Speaker 4>like do everything. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm so glad that some of those feelings have

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<v Speaker 1>passed for you and now you're just saying yes to

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things that are going to bring you

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<v Speaker 1>joy because we are all benefiting from them and we're

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<v Speaker 1>all getting to enjoy that. So thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being here with us today. We have

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<v Speaker 1>just every opportunity we've had to be around you, We've

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed you more and more, and we're just grateful that

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<v Speaker 1>you've spent any of your time with us.

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you so much. Well, you guys are so

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<v Speaker 4>sweet to have me on and I appreciate what you

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<v Speaker 4>do and writer. Thank you for all the very kind

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<v Speaker 4>words that means a lot to me of course, and

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<v Speaker 4>wish me luck memorizing things for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll help you anywhere we can. Okay, awesome, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Lisa, thank you talking to you.

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<v Speaker 4>She's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so coolah, oh my god. I just love like

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<v Speaker 2>how prolific she is, not only as a songwriter, but

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<v Speaker 2>in like every aspect of her life. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>love that she's pretty much like the ideal version of

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Lobe in my mind. Yeah, like the Lisa Lobe

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<v Speaker 2>that I kind of wished I like could meet in

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<v Speaker 2>a coffee shop when I was sixteen, and like talk

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<v Speaker 2>to is exactly who she is.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We would sit and talk books and we would go

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<v Speaker 2>into a million different pathways. We talk music, we talk movies.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like know, oh yeah, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>my type of person. And it's so cool how that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're attracted to somebody's art just whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they do, and then you actually get to see behind

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<v Speaker 2>the curtain and you're like, oh, yeah, there's a reason

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<v Speaker 2>we connected through your heart is that you were expressing

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and that wasn't just yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were expressing yourself so well it was perceived the right way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and like this connection speaks to you and

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<v Speaker 2>you and your language.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, she's your real life perse girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's what it is. Had you found Lisa

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<v Speaker 3>Loeb's purse back in the day, she wanted to spoken,

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<v Speaker 3>right to write or strong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>That is funny. You're right.

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