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Speaker 1: So we got an email from a woman named Kelly

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Speaker 1: I love the show and it's been so fun getting

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Speaker 1: to know you all as people and not just your characters.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask this at the Dallas show,

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Speaker 1: convinced me to ask, do you three know your Enneagram numbers?

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Speaker 1: It's a personality test, but it really dives into your

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Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses, and it is so interesting. Every time

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Speaker 1: I listen to your podcast, I can't help but guess

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Speaker 1: your numbers. Writer is a four wing five, Danielle three

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Speaker 2: So for like five percent of our listeners or maybe

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Speaker 2: ten percent, who.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the ten percent math magician, that makes a lot

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Speaker 3: of sense, And there are people who are like agreeing,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what that means.

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Speaker 4: Well, how many wings do?

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Speaker 3: How many wings do I have to eat?

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Speaker 4: You're in whatever it is? A hat.

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Speaker 1: Writers four wing five is called the free spirit.

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Speaker 4: And here's what it says.

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Speaker 1: People with an Enneagram type four wing five personality tend

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Speaker 1: to type fives. They are introspective, creative, and perceptive in

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Speaker 1: much less concerned with public image than other fours.

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Speaker 2: So isn't everybody concerned with their public image?

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Speaker 1: So okay, anyway, so your basic fear four wing fives

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but see that means I do care about

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Speaker 1: Right, But then there's a cost exactly just less than

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Speaker 2: Che tauild so quickly that it just categorizes everything.

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Speaker 2: Does it say Type fours will reject this orgorization. If

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Speaker 4: And storm out.

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Speaker 1: And do you want to know your strengths?

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Speaker 4: Here are some of your strengths.

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Speaker 1: Staying true to who you are, deeply rooted, curiosity and

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Speaker 2: I like all of these. I'm like, okay, I'll take those.

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Speaker 1: Here's your weaknesses withdrawing from those around them, difficulty focusing

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Speaker 3: There's also a smell.

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Speaker 1: Yours is called the pathfinder, So she suggest she thought

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I don't even need to read any more

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Speaker 4: Out fear of missing out. What Please do not contact me.

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Speaker 2: I am I got my wife and my dog, my

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Speaker 4: It's right, you have a fear of missing out on

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Speaker 1: I'll send it to you because we know writer won't

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Speaker 4: Thanks. Well, welcome to pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel.

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Speaker 2: I'm writer Wing four two.

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Speaker 4: Right, what was I to four? No?

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Speaker 2: Also, guys, when we started this podcast, I was recording

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Speaker 2: She she's she produced the film. It's called Late Bloomers.

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Speaker 1: It out Late Bloomers June seventh in theaters and then

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Speaker 4: Thank you for sharing with us, writer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is your life Tour for a teenage writer

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Speaker 1: Strong continues this week as we once again make a

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Speaker 1: with her song Stay It's Lisa Loebe Hey, hi.

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Speaker 1: Writer, do you want to do you want to talk

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think it was. It was just

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love that. That makes me feel

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Speaker 1: I mean, his connection to your music should shock absolutely

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Speaker 4: Salinger book. So to put you on the spot, Lisa,

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Speaker 4: what is your favorite book? Oh, my gosh, my favorite book.

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Speaker 4: I've got so many books that I read. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't use Goodreads either because it's under

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Speaker 4: I mean those are those are totally different types of books. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Weirdly, he wrote the Pillars of the Earth, right, yes, exactly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you just get like totally sucked in, right, Yes, I

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Speaker 4: I would have any books you can recommend it. I

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Speaker 4: I'm not good with sorcery. I don't mind science fiction

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Speaker 2: They're also like all nine hundred pages will which is

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Speaker 3: Should be sixteen seventeen books long, one thousand pages each night.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, yeah, I used to love this. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, when the song first started having

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Speaker 4: we were able to because it was also a whirlwind.

439
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: You know, when you become you're part of a successful thing.

440
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 4: You're busy doing that thing. You were having your hair done,

441
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 4: you were doing those you're memorizing your lines, you're playing concerts,

442
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 4: you're actually doing the thing. And I was working on

443
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 4: my next record. I was already a musician for years

444
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 4: and years and years, so I was following up on

445
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 4: that and all the business stuff that comes with it.

446
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 4: And like the people who were interested in wanting to

447
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: sign me, now they'd gotten more serious, and all those

448
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: people were really setting more specific meetings with their upper

449
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 4: the people who were in charge of them, and my

450
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 4: attorneys and my band, and we were touring to support

451
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: the single and looking forward to getting a record deal,

452
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 4: because at that time, getting a record deal was like

453
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: the thing that you get in order to like know

454
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: that that's your job. And as much as I did

455
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 4: have a couple of people around me. You thought I

456
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 4: had changed so much, you know, I changed the sixth

457
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 4: I was on TV because it changed changes you. I

458
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 4: was like, no, God, this is like, finally, this is happening.

459
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: I've been working towards this, and it's been little, step

460
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 4: by step by step for years and years. But in

461
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 4: the middle of that, I do have such good friends

462
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: from when I was little, Like you know, some of

463
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 4: my newer friends are like high school friends, like I

464
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: have friends. I have one best friend I've had since

465
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 4: I was born, were our moms were pregnant and friends.

466
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: My friend who I celebrated her birthday yesterday, we were

467
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 4: best friends since between second and third grade. So I've

468
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 4: had so many different friends and people who are part

469
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: of my life as friends. Some of them are people

470
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: I worked with who are now who are also my friends.

471
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: Some people are my friends who I ended up working with,

472
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 4: like a friend of mine who ended up giving me

473
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: voice lessons for years. So I had a lot of

474
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: people in it with me, you know, sort of anchor

475
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: you yeah, And I'm just like be I'm a very

476
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: anchored person, and I in fact need to celebrate more

477
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 4: and be more like floating up into the breed. The

478
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: breeze and like not paying attention. But I did have

479
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: a lot of friends that I could celebraterate with and

480
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: pay attention to what was going on at the time

481
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: and call my mom and be like, oh my gosh,

482
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 4: this is happening. That being said, late lately, especially with

483
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: this thirtieth anniversary, I do have either fans or friends.

484
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: And also with all the social media, there's a lot

485
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: more interaction put interaction emails, social media, a lot of

486
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: people reminding me of times that I might have met

487
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: them or did things with them, or things that we did,

488
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: or seeing pictures of things that I just I can't remember.

489
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 4: I mean I remember kind of, but like there are

490
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: so many memories to remember. It was such as it's

491
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 4: been a very dense time that time period. But I

492
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: did enjoy it. It was it was really exciting and

493
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 4: of course at the same time, you know, as the

494
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: as a young artist, as a young I was like

495
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 4: in my I was like twenty six, I'd been doing

496
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 4: it seriously for years. I was a couple of years

497
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 4: out of college or actually when when Stay went on

498
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 4: the charts, I graduated in ninety and that was on

499
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: the charts in ninety five, but they signed, you know,

500
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: they put it on the soundtrack in ninety three. The

501
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: song was written in ninety one or two. But it's

502
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: just there's always so much happening it's hard to take

503
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: it all in.

504
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, we know that you had been

505
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: friends with Ethan Hawk, who gave it to Ben Stiller

506
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: for Reality Bites. When did you learn that it was

507
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: going to be the song for the end credits.

508
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 4: I didn't really know it was the song for the

509
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: end credits until I was in the movie. I got

510
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: a call when I was working at I was like

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 4: doing a temp job. I think at Ernst and Young.

512
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: I may be confusing it with another like financially large company.

513
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: I was doing a lot of temp work in New York.

514
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: I'd gone back to school to site to grad school

515
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: and psychology at NYU, but soon thereafter realized I needed

516
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 4: to do sort of more random, noncommittal jobs while I

517
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: was really focusing on being a musician full time. But

518
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 4: temp jobs were great because I could type pretty fast,

519
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: and they let me use their Xerox machines to make

520
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 4: flyers for my band, and it got me out of

521
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: bed at a normal hour. But anyway, I remember telling

522
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 4: the bosses. I had gotten a call from Ron Fair,

523
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 4: who was the record executive at RCA, telling me that.

524
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 4: And I had met Ron Fair because somebody who worked

525
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: under him at EMI Records while I was in college

526
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: wanted to sign us to their label in college, and

527
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: Ron Fair was like, no, not today. And my friend

528
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: who worked at EMI was fired and we were not

529
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: signed to EMI. But anyway, so I had already known

530
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: this executive, but he called me and we were so excited.

531
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: He said that the song was going to be on

532
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: the soundtrack, which I was excited about, but I didn't

533
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 4: know where it was in the movie until the movie

534
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: came out. We went to a very like low key

535
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: movie premiere. It wasn't one of these big Hollywood premiers.

536
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: It was like low key, little red carpet, you know,

537
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 4: because there were a lot of real authentic key people involved,

538
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: like Ethan and Ben Stiller and went on writer and

539
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: Steve Zah and Jenny Garoffalo and all these folks who

540
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: are a little bit more like you know, not yeah

541
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 4: and so but anyway, so we went to the premiere

542
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: and we were sitting in the seats watching the movie,

543
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: and the song never came on. You're like, oh no,

544
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm so embarrassed. Luckily it wasn't

545
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: like I said, a huge premiere with my friends and family.

546
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: Was like some friends, and I was just like almost sweating.

547
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: I could feel my heart beating. I was like, this

548
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: is so embarrassing. Maybe it was there and I didn't

549
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: hear it, like it was one of those songs you

550
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: barely hear somebody's call coming from another room while they're

551
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 4: having a loud conversation in the bathroom at the bar.

552
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: And then finally at the end and weirdly, people stuck

553
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: around like all of a sudden, I heard you Doo doo,

554
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: and I was like, it was like the second end credit.

555
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: So it was good because they played the entire song,

556
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: but it was like, you know, I could imagine my

557
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: mom being in the theater and being like everyone's day

558
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: the song. So nervous. I was like, oh my gosh,

559
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: it's not this is one of those things where it's

560
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: like cutting room floor, this is the cutting room floor.

561
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: But it was there, and it was really exciting to

562
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: hear it over the loud speakers and to be a

563
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: part of it, you.

564
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: Know, And they did play the whole song, which is

565
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: you almost never get an entire song I know, which.

566
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Is also now kind of a sad thing because on Netflix,

567
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: you know, it goes boom right to the next movie,

568
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 4: right when.

569
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: The shrinks down to the corner, and you're like, wait.

570
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, well, I think I still yet residuals

571
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 4: for that song, even though you don't always hear it anymore.

572
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: And in a couple of times in music festivals they've

573
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: played my music video at the beginning, which hopefully they

574
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: will now because we just remastered the video. We got

575
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: to work with Universal and there's Universal Music, and there's

576
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: people who can like go back to old source material

577
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 4: and fix because our video that was up my video

578
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: for Stay was like I feel like it was like a

579
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: copy of a copy of a video cassette that they

580
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: threw up there, and we could never get the real quality.

581
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: Everybody's always like, oh, I love your black dress. I'm like,

582
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: it's not black, it's green, you know. I like your

583
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: black glasses. I'm like their tortoise shell they're not black.

584
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: But anyway, we were able to remaster the video so

585
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: it's out like the newer version. It still looks and

586
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: feels like itself, which was like a big philosophical conundrum,

587
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: like does it feel like itself? Does it feel like itself?

588
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 4: Even though it's like you know, they went in with

589
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: a Q tip and like cleaned it up.

590
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: Well.

591
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: That music video is unfor get a bowl. It was

592
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: directed by Ethan Hawk. It was done in one take.

593
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: What do you remember from shooting it? And how many

594
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: times did you have to do it just to nail it?

595
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: I did it, I don't. I don't remember the exact number.

596
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: This is where I would ask Kawan Patina, like how

597
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: many times? She'd be like we shot it nine times?

598
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 4: Or hey, he would remember how many times? I also

599
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: remember I remember the miracle bra. I mean, is that

600
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: what's called? Course? I think I want a wonder bra.

601
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: That was like my big push up, even though I

602
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: still look like tiny. It was I think I was

603
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: wearing a wonderbra. I was wearing a Betsy Johnson dress

604
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: that Betsy Johnson herself hemmed for me. She helped me

605
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: make it that really short. All my dresses I liked

606
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: wearing very very short as possible powerful you know, superpower

607
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: rock musician. Look Also for shorter ladies, A short dress

608
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: just makes you look tall. Yeah, it looks like a

609
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: child's shirt when you hang it in the closet, but

610
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: in reality it's an entire dress. It's like three feet

611
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: long total. And then also I remember the lipstick. I

612
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: wore the maclip stick for the first time, and Spice

613
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: was the lippencil. Everybody was very bad and I killed

614
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: my lips because it was Matt lipstick and my lips

615
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: were like dead. After that, I did a middle part,

616
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: which was weird for me, which is now very hip,

617
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: but I did not wear middle part back then. I

618
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: was more of a side party person. But we did

619
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: the middle part. But I also remember I was very

620
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: headstrong because Ethan had this great idea and he'd hired

621
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: this amazing DP named Tom Richmond, who passed over the

622
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: last couple of years, which was sad. Tom had shot

623
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: the movie Midnight Clear that Ethan worked on, which was

624
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: this gorgeous movie, and he had hired this like real

625
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 4: film DP to shoot it. And Ethan had already shown

626
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: me in his apartment like months earlier, like what that

627
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 4: concept was, and we had mapped it all out in

628
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: this place, so we knew what we were doing. But

629
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 4: I was really headstrong in the fact that I'm like,

630
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: I not only I am, I have a band. I'm

631
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 4: like a real musician. I'm not like a pop singer.

632
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 4: I have a band. I played guitar. I want them

633
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: in the video. That was the reason I had a

634
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: band name Nine Stories, Lisa lib and nine Stories, because

635
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: if it was just Lisa Lobe and you saw me

636
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: with the acoustic guitar at that time, you'd be like, oh,

637
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: she's a folk singer. But I wasn't a folks singer.

638
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: I like rock bands, and that's you know. I was

639
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: more of a you know, Pink Floyd led Zeppelin, the Police,

640
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: the Cure. I like some singer songwriters, but I really

641
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: felt more attracted to my rock roots. And I was like,

642
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: you have to be able to show this is like

643
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: my first I'd made music videos before, like in college,

644
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: but this was my first big deal like music video.

645
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: I was like, we have to shoot the band and

646
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: I have to play guitar. So he I forget the word,

647
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 4: but he let me do that. We shot a bunch

648
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: of takes with me and the band and me playing guitar,

649
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: and when we went in to try to edit a

650
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: few versions with that, it just totally it was an

651
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: horrible idea didn't work at all. So I had to

652
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: like sacrifice my vision, my vision and also my like

653
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: identification as myself. I'm like there, I was. I've never

654
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: let other than being like a musicals and stuff when

655
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: I was in college and in high school sing without

656
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: a guitar, I'm a guitar player and I'm a singer,

657
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 4: and so it was very weird walking around like this,

658
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: you know, other person. But it made a stronger vision,

659
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: and it did it made a much better video, and

660
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: it was fun to like mess around with later in life,

661
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, with funny TV commercials and other things. But

662
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: it just really made it told the story so much

663
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: better what he wanted to do. So we went with

664
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: the artistic vision, which is very Ethan and very me

665
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: in the end, even though being aware of like how

666
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: I wanted to present myself, I was like, you know what,

667
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: and I had to battle with that for years, Like,

668
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: you know, no, I really am a musician. I'm not

669
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: pretending to. Yeah, well, well.

670
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me, like looking back on the music

671
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: of the nineties in general, but particularly like the female

672
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: led singer songwriters of the nineties, you're really quite an

673
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: anomaly in that you're not always angry and you know

674
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: you don't have that like sort of Alanis Morse at

675
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: edge or an a Franco like misery, and it's did

676
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: you ever feel pressure? I mean, was there ever pressure

677
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: from your label or to be more sort of like

678
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: fitting the mold of like the rest.

679
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: No, really, not really And also maybe they even did,

680
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: and I didn't notice it because I'm so like focused

681
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: on what I want to do and just that's the

682
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: way I look at life. I'm like a person who

683
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: I'm like Woody Allen of songwriting, like sort of overthinking

684
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: and erotic and like what about this? Well, maybe they do.

685
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: Let you know, I had my song do You Sleep,

686
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: which was written earlier, which was all the different things

687
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: like I'm so sad you know we're not together anymore,

688
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: but but do you still think about me? But you

689
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: know you ruin my life? You know, just like the

690
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: back and forth that you actually go through in your mind.

691
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: That's that's more my style, more sort of in my

692
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: head with definitely anger and sadness and depression and all

693
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: those things. But it's just not my style exactly to

694
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: be like that, that's not my thing.

695
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: Back taking it back to the beginning. Do you remember

696
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: finding music in your life? Do you remember kind of

697
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: the first music that you listened to that put you

698
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: on this path.

699
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: Or everything, everything from when I was a baby. I mean,

700
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: my mom says that that she used to play my

701
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: older brother classical music when she was pregnant with him,

702
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: and he ended up being a classical pianist. And I

703
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 4: was like, what did you play for me? She's like, well,

704
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: we were in the car. We were listening to like

705
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: something about a Stairway to Heaven, and you know, like

706
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: we listened to what was on the radio. I listened

707
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: to a lot of soft pop through the seventies, even

708
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: the music like on the little Fisher Price little plastic

709
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 4: record player. I would hear those songs and they would

710
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 4: just break my heart. Some of them were so beautiful,

711
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: those little music box songs and songs and synagogue and

712
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: songs my dad would play on the piano, Raindrops keep

713
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: Falling in your Head and old timey songs like Don't

714
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: Fence Me In and It's Funny. I just I just

715
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: made a record of all those old times. Not rain Drops,

716
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: but some of the more old sort of forties and fifties, sixties, songs.

717
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: I made a record with a band called The Hollow

718
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: Trees that we've started putting out songs. But ever since

719
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: I was little, music just really it struck me. I

720
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: don't know, I mean really little, you know, before you

721
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: even remember. I remember that. I remember a housekeeper vacuuming

722
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: and she was playing Mamas and the Papas and kind

723
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: of doing this groovy dance. And I was looking at

724
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: the cover with the split I don't know, there's like

725
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: a cover with all the band members and it's it's

726
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: dye cut. It's split in half and you can switch

727
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: the faces the top of their faces and faces depending

728
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: on how you look at it. And I would just

729
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: stare at that, and you know, Sergeant Pepper and Queen

730
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: and all of it. I was just obsessed. And the

731
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: clock radio, the clock radio, Bread and the Beg's and like, yeah,

732
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: have you never been Mello? You know, Livy Neton John

733
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: and everyone knows it's windy, like rock the Boat and

734
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: old disco and R and B and just.

735
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: Everything by the way, I mean, people like people are

736
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: are starting to go back and listen to the Begi's

737
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: and Mama's Soca and just kind of go, oh wow,

738
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: we missed an entire genre of music. Oh my gosh,

739
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: because the Beg's especially were given such hell for so long. Yeah,

740
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: they disco, Oh they did all this. But when you

741
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: actually look at the Beg's catalog, I mean they were

742
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: it's amazing.

743
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

744
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's that kind of music is coming back.

745
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: It's so funny. Yeah, that's kind of the stuff that

746
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: you were gravitating towards.

747
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: Its great Well, it was just great melodies and great songs,

748
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: and anyway, I'm obsessed. There's just so much music that

749
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: you get when you're little. My parents had a lot

750
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 4: of music playing in the house all the time. So

751
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: do you still enjoy performing stay? Do you have to

752
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: do little tricks or changes for yourself to keep it

753
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: fresh and fun?

754
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: No?

755
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 4: I mean it's not an easy song to sing, so

756
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 4: that's a little scary. I can always it's I play

757
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: it with a kapo, which means I could make it

758
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 4: lower and lower, but it doesn't. It doesn't doesn't necessarily

759
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: make it easier. It's hard to sing. And there's a

760
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: couple of lyrics where I'm like, oh, I got really

761
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 4: off track on this, but but it's still I understand.

762
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: It means something to somebody, and I do listen to

763
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: a lot of I mean, I listen to a lot

764
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: of music that it always doesn't make sense percent, but

765
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: there's a whole thing about it, and I love the

766
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: audience is really excited to hear it, and I appreciate

767
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: what it's done for me in my career and the

768
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: freedom and the freedom creative freedom, and the opportunities to

769
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: travel and play with other people. It's just it means

770
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 4: a lot to me, and it is pretty representative of

771
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: the kind of songs I enjoy writing, so you know,

772
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: it's something I enjoyed doing. I forgot to play it.

773
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: The other night. I was playing a concert with Lyle

774
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: love It. We did a whole tour and we were

775
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 4: both on stage. He would play a song and talk

776
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: and we'd talk to each other and I'd play a song,

777
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: kind of like songwriters thing, and we got a call

778
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: from the but there was no set list and we

779
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: were just playing what we felt like playing. And about

780
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: halfway through the tour, I got a call from the

781
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: promoters saying people were a little disappointed that I hadn't

782
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: played Stay, and I totally forgot. I forgot. Normally somebody

783
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: might yell it out like I don't usually I stop.

784
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: I don't play it on my when I do children's

785
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: shows because I have a lot of family friendly music.

786
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: I wasn't playing it in my children's show, and then

787
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 4: I realized after the fact, parents were like, oh, why

788
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: didn't you play that. I'm like, if somebody I even

789
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: open it up to request, if somebody requests a grown

790
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: up song, I'll play it. But I love playing it.

791
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: I didn't not play it on purpose. I'm not mad

792
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: at it. I'm very happy about it. I just got

793
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 4: busy playing other songs. But it means so much to me,

794
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: and I know it means a lot to other people.

795
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: I know what some of my favorite pop songs mean

796
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: to me, so if they don't play those songs, I'm

797
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 4: really annoyed, and I think it's really irresponsible for those

798
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: musics and musicians to ignore me and not play my

799
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 4: favorite songs.

800
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: When I say down, you know, do you ever change

801
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: the lyrics?

802
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: Not on purpose. I've had, unfortunately brain moments where I

803
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: used to. Actually I remember doing a promotional tour with

804
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: duezl Zappa, which was probably six or seven years after

805
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: the song came out, and i'd been singing the song

806
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: for years before it came out, and we were in

807
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: some radio promo and it was early in the morning,

808
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: and I would get halfway through the song and I

809
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: I would have no idea what was happening, and then

810
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: I would skip parts and I would just and then

811
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: I had to like really think about it and realize

812
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 4: the song was so weird that if I didn't think

813
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: about it and just sung it, it would just lead

814
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: me to the next part, to the next part, to

815
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: the next part. And I couldn't leave out a verse,

816
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: which I do sometimes in songs because it can't it's

817
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: not possible. But yeah, sometimes I can't think about it

818
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: too hard, Yeah, because I'll forget it. It's bad.

819
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: Well, after Tales and Firecracker, you were also a part

820
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: of the legendary Lilith Fair Tour in nineteen ninety seven,

821
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: a show that helped define an entire generation of singer songwriters.

822
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: So I know I'm about to read a lot of names,

823
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: but I wanted to read the list of fellow mainstage artists.

824
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: You shared the bill with Fiona Apple, Tracy Bonham, Meredith Brooks,

825
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: The Cardigans, Mary Mary Chapin Carpenters. How do you say that, okay,

826
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Tracy Chapman, Paula Cole, Sean Colvin, Cheryl Crow, Indigo Girls,

827
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: Emmy Lou Harris Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Joan OSB and Suzanne Vega.

828
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: That is like a quint essential mixtape for an entire genre.

829
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: And more and way more. It was. It was incredible.

830
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: You know. Sarah McLaughlin had had an idea that it

831
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: was funny at first. When I heard about it, she

832
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: invited me to play a show that was like the

833
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: prequel year to the actual Lilith Fair. I got a

834
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, I got a note like, oh, Sarah McLaughlin

835
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: wants to do this women's concert. Would you like to play?

836
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: We're doing a couple to try it out. And I

837
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: was like not really, Like I don't want to play

838
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: a women's concert. I went to all girls school. I

839
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 4: don't like separating myself out as a woman musician. I

840
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: don't like being good for a girl. I'm just a musician.

841
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: I don't like all my mentors of musicians aren't women.

842
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 4: This is just not for me. And then they followed

843
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: it up saying, well, it's it'll be you. Patti Smith,

844
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: Sarah McLachlan, Amy Mann, Paula Cole. I was like, yes,

845
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: I would love to do that concert with those other

846
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 4: fellow musicians, like this is like, this is great, what

847
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: a great you know, I might have mixed up, you

848
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: know some There were a good handful of artists on

849
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: each show that I got to be a part of,

850
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is great, Like of course

851
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: I want to do this. And it took and it

852
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: got my prejudice away because it made me realize, you know,

853
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: I was glad when she needed to do what she

854
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: was doing because they literally were telling us, you know,

855
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: we'd hear from the radio departments at our major labels, Yeah,

856
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: they can't play you because they're playing Sheryl Crow. Like

857
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 4: literally they're playing one woman, so they can't play another woman.

858
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: It was disgusting. Yeah, what does it even mean?

859
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: I know.

860
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, back in the day, it was like it

861
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: was considered like almost like a a category that box. Yeah,

862
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: which is really crazy to think about now, but it

863
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: was just the way it was. And and so that

864
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 4: ended up being a huge effect of her putting this

865
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 4: festival together to prove, like you know, on the craft side,

866
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: a bunch of women can make a bunch of money

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: for somebody on the not craft side. It was just great,

868
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: like all this great music. There were men, lots of men,

869
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: but women lead singers, band leaders, and it was really fun.

870
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: We ended up like it was almost like a summer camp.

871
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: Like all the shows you got to go on. We

872
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 4: would we literally would sit backstage and talk to each

873
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: other and talk about our lives or our careers. And

874
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: because like the Indigo girls were on there on the

875
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: on the thing, they have great songs to sing along,

876
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: like Closer to Find, and so they would ask us

877
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: all to sing. And I'm terrible with lyrics, but we'd

878
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: all sit back there and learn our lyrics and sing

879
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: with each other and you know, connect. Actually, it was

880
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: like we actually connected. Emmy Lou Harris sang on some

881
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: of my songs. Well, on one of my songs it's

882
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: on the lolith Fair recording. But I realized that and

883
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: other festival situations are really important for camaraderie, for connecting

884
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: with other musicians because music is a very it's a

885
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: very loner thing. You know, you're in your room writing,

886
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 4: you're with a group of people recording, maybe you're on

887
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: tour with just your band or your band and maybe

888
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: one other band. It's very it's very by yourself. So

889
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: it was really cool to be in a place that

890
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: was you know, you're celebrating who you are and with

891
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: other people. And it reminded me of all girls school

892
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: where there is just something. I'm rubbing my fingers together

893
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: if you're just listening, but like there's just something. It's

894
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: just a sick like it's something you can't put your

895
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 4: finger on. It's like it's just a different atmosphere when

896
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: it's a world led by women. Again, no offense to men.

897
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: There were a lot of men there. They really enjoyed

898
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: the concert. It was just the tone, the support of nature,

899
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: the badassness of the variety of types of music. There

900
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: was just something different there and I think it carried forward,

901
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, it affected everything else after.

902
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: It was your girls school back East just curious, you.

903
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: Know, it was in Texas. It was a prep school,

904
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 4: which was very East coasty, but it was also had

905
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 4: a finishing school element about it because it's Southern. So

906
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: you know, learn to poortis sit properly on stage but

907
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: also write crazy essays and really intense you know, lots

908
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: of ap courses and all that stuff.

909
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: So you have also been passionate about radio since basically

910
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: high school. And now you have a show on Sirius

911
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: XM called Nineties on nine.

912
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: Which I love. Yeah, it's on the nineties on nine channel. Yes,

913
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: what is it about? Stay Stay with Lisa Loebe. You

914
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 4: know we decided back in the nineties, I would have

915
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: been like, are you kidding me? I'm not using my

916
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: song title the popular song. But now I'm like, oh,

917
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: those are the people who are like, you're that girl

918
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: with glasses. I know you. You know, I'll listen to you.

919
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: You know, that's not something to run away from. That's

920
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: just people's way of identifying your way to get.

921
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: Get them in and then then they'll stay.

922
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 4: Exactly. It's like, well that's the gateway meet of my songs.

923
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's called Stay with Lisa Loebe. And I've

924
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: had a podcast up to now called Where They Are Now.

925
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: It's a special interview segment that turned into a podcast

926
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: that I believe is turning back into maybe just an

927
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 4: interview segment where I talk to people about what they

928
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 4: did in the nineties and what they're doing now. Because

929
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: there are so many musicians out there who you know

930
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: from the nineties who are still very active, just like

931
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: what you guys are doing, I mean, very nineties centered,

932
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: but people are very present as well. But I know,

933
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: I was a DJ in high school for three years.

934
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 4: I loved it so much. I was at the boys'

935
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: school because they didn't have a radio station at our school.

936
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: It was eighty eight point five Caroism and I had

937
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: a show and I would I loved, you know, being

938
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: a DJ and and so then. But back in that day,

939
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: I decided all the music I played. It was not programmed.

940
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: I just picked the music I wanted to play, and

941
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 4: it ranged from all that stuff we're talking about, to

942
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 4: local bands to sound effects of a man falling down

943
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: the stairs and poster giveaways and all kinds of stuff.

944
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: And I really enjoyed it. But it's fun, it's interesting,

945
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: you know. I understand I'm connected with the nineties. You know,

946
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: we're all connected with the nineties here.

947
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

948
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: What is it about radio that you're just so passionate about?

949
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: What do you love about it?

950
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: I think what I like is the thing that's not

951
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: exactly the radio. It's connecting with people. You know. It's

952
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: like finding out My favorite things are to find out

953
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 4: what people have to say about that time and sharing that,

954
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 4: you know, Like, I also have a segment called your

955
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 4: Story Your Song, where you can tell us your favorite

956
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: song from the nineties and your memories of it. So,

957
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just like a natural thing. And

958
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: also what they want me to do the ninety the

959
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 4: series XM Folks, they want me to talk about random stuff.

960
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: And I've always been really into random things. I love

961
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: that ever since I was a kid. I just like

962
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: chotchkeys and things and talking about, you know, what happened

963
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: on some TV show that I liked and some you know,

964
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: nerding out on something, And that's really what they want

965
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 4: me to talk about. I hear about it on social

966
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: media every once in a while. They're like, why are

967
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: you talking about that? Why are you saying all this

968
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: stuff about yourself from the nineties. I'm like, because that's

969
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: what they asked me to do, talking about my experience

970
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: of being in the nineties, and also now that's what

971
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: I do.

972
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons that you came up on

973
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: this podcast and that we started talking about you a

974
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: lot was because there was this podcast called sixty Songs

975
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: That Define the Nineties. Do you know this I.

976
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: Don't know, maybe I may have forgotten.

977
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: It's really good.

978
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 4: You should.

979
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: You should listen to it. But it's this it's this

980
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: journalist Rob Harvilla and he I mentioned it on this

981
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: podcast and he because I was listening to it and

982
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: just loving because he does like one song per episode

983
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: where he just does a deep dive on the history

984
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: of the band and the song and then his personal

985
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: connection to it, and it's really great.

986
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: That's good.

987
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: I mentioned it and on the show and then he

988
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, do you want to come be a

989
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: guest on it? And I said, yeah, sure, and he

990
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: sent me a list of the songs that I could

991
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: choose from that he was planning to do and Stay

992
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: was on there, and I was like, I'm doing Stay.

993
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: So we did the whole episode on Stay. And it's

994
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: a really good episode. I'm only a small part of it.

995
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like at the last ten minutes of it, but

996
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: he has it's a really you should give it a.

997
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: List because but was it on MPR. No, No, no,

998
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: I think we're doing all this celebration of Stay. I'm

999
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: going to find that. Yeah, we should post it.

1000
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: It's really great because he ends up having actually like

1001
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: a really interesting kind of personal tragedy associated with the

1002
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: song that is is quite moving and there's a lot

1003
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: of like a lot of our discussion was reassessing reality

1004
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: bites as a romantic comedy. Yeah, and you know we

1005
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of dive into like was that ending the right ending?

1006
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 4: Where this sounds familiar. I'm going to go back and listen.

1007
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: This sounds really good. It's weird though, also being from

1008
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: in quotation marks from the nineties, because it's just like life,

1009
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: like when people are like, make sure you take a

1010
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: lot of pictures for your socials, You're like, I'm working,

1011
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: I'm literally on stage, not taking pictures of myself for socials.

1012
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: I'm literally talking to friends at a party at a premiere.

1013
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm not taking pictures and then standing in a corner posting.

1014
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: Like in the nineties, I was working in on tour

1015
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: and still listening to songs from the eighties in the seventies,

1016
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: and I didn't always know what was popular in the nineties.

1017
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: You know, some things popped through to me, like space

1018
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: Hog or I Love Joan Osborne again. I got to

1019
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: know her more from even though she was a local

1020
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: musician when I was a local musician in New York.

1021
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: I was so busy playing gigs. I never ended up

1022
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 4: seeing her play. And then for Lili's Fairy started watching

1023
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 4: her and I was blown away. She's got this crazy voice.

1024
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: She's like unbelievable singer. And same with like Paula Cole

1025
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 4: and she produces all of her music and Cheryl Crow like.

1026
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 4: I knew some people's hits, but I didn't know their

1027
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 4: catalog and what they were like for real, you know.

1028
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: And and then there's other music I've never even heard

1029
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 4: before that I that I'll here on nineties stations. I

1030
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: just didn't know, you know, I know was great.

1031
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 3: Space Hog was one of those bands that was hugely

1032
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: underrated in the nineties. I love Wonders, Yeah, and they.

1033
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: Had a bunch of I don't know, in my brain

1034
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: they were like hugely like like they were like Radiohead.

1035
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1036
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: Travis Travis the Band, Travis the Man who I love

1037
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: that album? Anyway. How did how did your transition from

1038
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: singing to acting happen? I was an actor way before

1039
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: I was a professional musician. It was just something I

1040
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 4: did growing up. I always studied acting. I was always

1041
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: in all the plays. I went away and studied acting

1042
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: in New York and in London. In high school, I

1043
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: did plays and things. All through college. We had a

1044
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: soap opera that Doug Lyman directed the theater. We went

1045
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: to college together. He had a soap opera that he

1046
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: put together that we all did in college. So it

1047
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: was the thing that I really wanted to do. I

1048
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: was often cast as a child because I am very

1049
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: young and in college young and petite, and music was

1050
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 4: the thing that was really taking off more. We were

1051
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 4: filling the houses, my friend and I who had a band.

1052
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: It was always packed houses getting gigs in New York City,

1053
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 4: and it was sort of like going step by step,

1054
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: whereas with acting, I had my head shots and this

1055
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: and that, and then I was like, I don't know

1056
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 4: if I want to be walking around New York City

1057
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: with my head shots. And in the meantime, I was

1058
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 4: so busy playing music. That was really the thing in

1059
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 4: the forefront. And then as soon as the music kind

1060
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: of was settling in, I've been going back to acting.

1061
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: You know again, acting a quote marks a lot of

1062
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 4: cameos and things like that. But that was my love.

1063
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: That was what I really wanted to do when I

1064
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: grew up, and I remember I write out of college.

1065
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 4: Right out of high school, I had taken a class

1066
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: with Mark Hirschfeld, the casting director, and I had taken

1067
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: a class with him in high school, and he was like,

1068
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: you know, come meet with me in LA. And I

1069
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: went and met with him in LA right after high school,

1070
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: like the between high school and college, and he's like, yeah,

1071
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 4: you should go to college. But you know, we've kept

1072
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 4: in touch and he's actually with that nineties show and

1073
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: a bunch of other stuff, and you know, it's just

1074
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: something I love doing. I just I'm that's just something

1075
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: I grew up doing and studied a lot. So that's

1076
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 4: so great. That's where it came from.

1077
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: Do you still do it? Do you still enjoy acting?

1078
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: Or I do?

1079
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: But it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous because

1080
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm not good at memorizing. But like when I did

1081
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 4: this is a funny example, but when I did Fuller House,

1082
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: it was great because they actually gave me scenes. I

1083
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: played myself, but we talked it through. I had actual

1084
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: scenes with multiple lines and conversations, and and because you

1085
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: get to work on those sitcoms for a week, we

1086
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: actually the lines like a play. They actually get in you.

1087
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: And also It wasn't like some of the sitcoms I'd

1088
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: done in the nineties, which are super high energy, where

1089
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 4: you're like, hey, guys, what's up. Let it out, like,

1090
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: that's not my energy. I'm I have a low energy

1091
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 4: type of person, and even my high energy is more low.

1092
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: And also now I'm not as embarrassed being high energy

1093
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: if I need to be, like to fit whatever the

1094
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 4: genre is. But it's just it was really fun. It

1095
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, this reminds me of when

1096
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: I get to be in plays and you really you

1097
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: have time to know the lines and get to know

1098
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: it and really be in that person, in that character,

1099
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: which I love that. I love being in that conversation.

1100
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: But one day, I'll one day I'll return. I want

1101
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 4: to do like Broadway or or something that would be

1102
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 4: so cool, that would be amazing. But yeah, I was

1103
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 4: in an independent film and there and they're like I

1104
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 4: just I was like, oh, I'll get the lines, I'll

1105
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: be fine. And then I get on set and I'm like,

1106
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 4: all these people, this is their one job. They don't

1107
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 4: There are younger people, some of them don't have children

1108
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 4: or anything, and they know their lines and they've been

1109
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: doing this and they're really serious and they and I'm thinking,

1110
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm serious, But I was doing seven million other things,

1111
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: my radio show and taking my kids to school and

1112
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: going to do this tour and end this album and

1113
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: this thing and that thing. And then I'm like on

1114
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: set and I'm like they're like, all right, let's go,

1115
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: and there's no rehearsal, and you just go and you're like, yeah,

1116
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 4: this is hard a lot but memorizing. But it's funny.

1117
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 4: I've been listening to Barbara Streisand's book and she talks

1118
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 4: about a lot of actors and really major serious actors

1119
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: that we all look up to. They've got lines written

1120
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 4: all over the place. Hey, they've got every Brandow method.

1121
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just hiding notes all over But he

1122
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: actually didn't want to memorize. He wanted to like live

1123
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 2: in the moment.

1124
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: As much as that's excuse me, but it's true, Like

1125
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: you do want to live in the moment, but yeah,

1126
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: you know. And also, I was on the set of

1127
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: a particular sitcom years ago, very popular one, and the

1128
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 4: nanny shocked No, the nanny, the nanny, Oh that you're

1129
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: saying nanny. I was like, oh my god, I just

1130
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: finished watching this is us the nanny I was. I

1131
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 4: had my lines, but I was so nervous and it

1132
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 4: was so high energy and it was like barely any lines,

1133
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: but whatever. But many years later it was I'm not

1134
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: telling you which one, but literally every two lines, one

1135
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 4: of the main actress would be like line line and

1136
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: then there were cue cards and the whole thing was, wait,

1137
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 4: I've been avoiding doing this because I was nervous about

1138
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: learning my lines, and this was this was an option.

1139
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: It's not really an option if you're not, like, you know,

1140
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: years into a sit combat, right, I.

1141
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: Mean voice voiceover, So there's the best.

1142
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: I love doing voiceover.

1143
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: I love so voiceover. I love. That's like my favorite thing.

1144
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: Me too, because you're like there with your studio and

1145
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: you're just doing your thing. I love it too. But

1146
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: I mean, do you have trouble learning your lines? I

1147
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: don't do act. I don't act anymore, so I know.

1148
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while since I don't have trouble.

1149
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: I've had to try, you know, I've I've been a

1150
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: voiceover actor for twenty years now, so it's so different.

1151
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about it.

1152
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: It is.

1153
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: It's a muscle that you get back pretty quickly.

1154
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 4: I need to get it. Maybe you'll help me, you

1155
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 4: can help. I need to practice before it's time. Yeah,

1156
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: also practicing like I did remember on the thing I

1157
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: felt most comfortable doing. More recently, I heard one actres saying,

1158
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: it just takes me a certain number of minutes per page,

1159
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 4: and it just it is what it is. Yeah, Like

1160
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 4: I'm working on writing a book right now. Like the

1161
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: process is what it is. It's not like, oh, I'm

1162
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: not a soap opera actor. I was talking to a

1163
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: friend of mine who's a soap opera actor and they literally, like.

1164
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: The gay page, no time, but if you.

1165
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 4: Never did that. But like, I need to practice that.

1166
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 4: I need to practice memorizing things. You mentioned your kids.

1167
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 4: Do you have You have two kids? I have two kids. Yeah.

1168
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 4: How old are they? Eleven and fourteen? Oh my gosh, yeah,

1169
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: fifth grade? And one of them is home sick today.

1170
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: Oh I don't think he's sick.

1171
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: Well, I have two questions for you then, regarding that,

1172
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: how do you find time to do.

1173
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 4: All of the things that you do? I have two

1174
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 4: kids as well.

1175
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: I do a fraction of the things you do, but

1176
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: it's still a lot of things. And I feel like

1177
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: every moment of my day, every single day, is scheduled out.

1178
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 4: How do you find the time? Yeah, it is, I

1179
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm good at compartmentalizing. I'm trying to find

1180
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 4: more childcare, actually child supervision I call it, because they're

1181
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 4: literally sometimes childcare for our kids. Any of you would

1182
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: like to do it. Come over, order sushi from sushi,

1183
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: stop and watch a movie and just be a person

1184
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: in the house. Make sure you go to bed around

1185
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: nine o'clock.

1186
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 3: That's a job.

1187
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 4: It's really really hard. And when they're playing video games

1188
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: it pays twenty five dollars an hour.

1189
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: You can eat a book.

1190
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 4: You can just read a book, eat food, maybe take

1191
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 4: a walk with them to man cheese or something. That's

1192
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: it exactly what we doantly. So it's hard. It's really hard,

1193
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: and I keep trying to do less because there's lots

1194
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 4: of things I want to do and I want to

1195
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: do them well and I want to do them deeply.

1196
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: You know.

1197
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: I mentioned I'm trying to work on a book, which

1198
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be even saying until it's done. But I

1199
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: finally was like, I'm hiring a coach, not to write

1200
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: with me, not to write for me literally like a trainer.

1201
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 4: Like I know, I've been working out doing strength training

1202
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 4: since I was in high school. I know I could

1203
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: teach you your full workout in seven different ways to

1204
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: do tricep, you know, kickbacks or whatever. But I prefer

1205
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: to meet with my trainer because I need a babysitter.

1206
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: I need to know that I have a time and

1207
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 4: a place to do it. So literally, my coaching session

1208
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: I just had, we met up. We talked about a

1209
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: couple of things. We put ourselves on mute and silence

1210
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: and no screens, and I sat and wrote for forty minutes,

1211
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: and then we checked back in. I read her what

1212
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: I wrote. She was encouraging, you know, also encouraging, like

1213
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 4: keeping you from overthinking everything. But but like I don't know,

1214
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: I'm always looking. I'm trying to I always try to

1215
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 4: lose my manager or my team if I the people

1216
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 4: that I work with, my housekeeper. Thank God for my housekeeper.

1217
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: He's been working with me for like thirty years. He's

1218
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 4: my main person in my life. But like just trying

1219
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: my best to do all the things. I know. I

1220
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 4: just got a text from one of the moms asking

1221
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: if I was going to be chairman of Lost and

1222
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Found next year again for the like second or third year,

1223
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I love doing Lost and Found, like

1224
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 4: literally looking at name tags and putting things away. I

1225
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: don't think I can do the Chairman next year. I've

1226
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: been doing it, but I've been on tour and I

1227
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 4: haven't been getting those sweatshirts back to those kids.

1228
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: Get to kids stuff. If if nobody claims.

1229
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: We donate it, you donate it. We don't know. But yeah,

1230
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: but anybody can keep it. I mean, anybody can go

1231
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 4: look at this stuff and be like eh. But but anyway,

1232
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's hard. It's hard and a lot

1233
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 4: of like being introspective and trying to take a step

1234
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 4: back and saying, like, what is my priority? You know today,

1235
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 4: my priority actually is to sit here and watch This

1236
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: is Us and eat popcorn quietly in the house because

1237
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: nobody is in the house. My vacation is that hour.

1238
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: My priority is to work for three hours while the

1239
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 4: kids are playing with their friends on a weekend. I

1240
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. I have

1241
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: a list of things that are the most important, like sleep, learn,

1242
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 4: you know, whatever my own personal self care things are.

1243
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: But then also the kids come first. Family comes first.

1244
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you do? How do you do

1245
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: and hair? Yeah, Micha, Well when.

1246
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: Do you find are are you still writing songs? I'm

1247
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: assuming you're still writing? So when does that happen? Is

1248
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: that like a late night along with your guitar or

1249
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: is that like something you have to set aside time

1250
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: for and say I'm going to write a song.

1251
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 4: Okay, both I capture songs when I have ideas or

1252
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: parts of songs, and then often I have to collaborate

1253
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 4: with people to make myself sit down, just like a trainer,

1254
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: sit down and collaborate to get the thing done. But

1255
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 4: talking about voiceovers, I just did a collaboration with Debbie

1256
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: darry Berry, who's a great voiceover artist, an actor. She's

1257
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: Jimmy Neutron and she's doing music. She started actually with

1258
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 4: music and now she's back to doing music and she's like, oh,

1259
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: you want to write a song. And so when people

1260
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,479
Speaker 4: ask me, you know, we sat and we wrote this song.

1261
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 4: It's very cool. It's about compost but it's really catchy song.

1262
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 4: But you know, you just get sucked in and you

1263
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: do these things and you make time and you things

1264
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: take longer than they should sometimes and I don't know.

1265
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, I don't know.

1266
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm just glad to know that's that's a

1267
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: real answer, and I'm glad to know there isn't an answer,

1268
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: because that's always how I feel too. I'm like, I

1269
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: really it changes week to week and month to month,

1270
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: depending on what's going on.

1271
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 4: Because and like your son's home sick from school, You're like, Okay,

1272
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 4: last time he was home when I was trying to

1273
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: work with my writing coach, totally messed up the whole hour.

1274
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 4: I love my son so much and I love spending

1275
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 4: time with him, but it changes your workflow, It changes everything.

1276
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: You have to be so intentional all the time. And

1277
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 4: also I hate that phrase, but like give yourself grace,

1278
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 4: like doing your best. I know it's true. Like you're like,

1279
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: you know what, you're tired, take a nap, bewake, like

1280
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 4: drink a really fun Lacroix coconut. I feel like you're

1281
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 4: at the beach, like I don't know, yeh, ask for help? Yes,

1282
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 4: Like like you know, look at your life all the

1283
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 4: time and say, what do I like doing? What am

1284
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: I getting paid to do? You know, what do I

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Speaker 4: want to do when I grow up. Where do I

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Speaker 4: want to go? Oh? I don't know. Stay healthy, do

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Speaker 4: your basic exercises in your eating and drinking foods that

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Speaker 4: you like.

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Speaker 1: Do either of your kids show any interest in music

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Speaker 1: or acting?

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Speaker 4: I think I saw my daughter do some acting. She

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Speaker 4: doesn't act like she shows any interest in it. But

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Speaker 4: you know, And it's funny in the world now, if

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Speaker 4: your kid's in eighth grade and they haven't become a

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Speaker 4: professional you know whatever, you know, baseball player or actor

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Speaker 4: or musician, they are too late. But you know, a

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Speaker 4: lot of us didn't even start playing instruments until we were,

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Speaker 4: like in high school. I have a feeling there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of things like that in the future. My daughter

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Speaker 4: does play ukulele and she sings in her room, but

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Speaker 4: I've heard her sing it. She's got a beautiful voice.

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Speaker 4: She's also a poet. So I wonder where being a

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Speaker 4: really good writer and a good singer wow might lead

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Speaker 4: to At some point, I would, you know, there's no pressure,

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Speaker 4: but I do. And with my son, they both love

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Speaker 4: music and know a lot about music, and I just

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Speaker 4: hope they continue to enjoy it and branch out with

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Speaker 4: their interests, you know. I love that done.

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Speaker 1: You're so prolific with kids music and books, and your

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Speaker 1: album Feel What You Feel even won a Grammy for

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Speaker 1: Best Children's Album in twenty eighteen. It has such an

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Speaker 1: amazing message. What is it that makes you so creative

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Speaker 1: when writing for and helping a younger demographic?

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Speaker 4: I think, well, one, I started collaborating a lot, and

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Speaker 4: when you're working with other people, ideas can really gel.

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Speaker 4: And also you can capture ideas that you didn't even

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Speaker 4: know were interesting. Sometimes you're like, oh, that's not important,

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Speaker 4: and that actually it's funny. On my most recent grown

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Speaker 4: up record, A Simple Trick to Happiness was affected by

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Speaker 4: my children's music, because when you collaborate with other people

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Speaker 4: and when you're talking to parents outside of school and stuff,

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Speaker 4: somebody says something to somebody else. You say something to

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Speaker 4: somebody just like we're talking and you're like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: I never thought about that. Like to me, it's just

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Speaker 4: like whatever, it's something I think about all the time.

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Speaker 4: Or you might say something to me and I'm like, wait, what,

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Speaker 4: it's mind blowing. So I try to capture those messages

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Speaker 4: in songs somehow, and I did that for my grown

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Speaker 4: Up record. But that was like the kids' music. It's

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Speaker 4: a freeing kind of It can be a lazy genre,

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Speaker 4: like people can be like, oh, you can say anything,

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Speaker 4: it's kids music, or it's a musical whatever. You could

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Speaker 4: do anything. But on the other hand, you can also

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Speaker 4: try to craft things that you really can be more

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Speaker 4: creative and open minded when you're writing, and it's a

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Speaker 4: fun place to mess around with. Genres like step like

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Speaker 4: Feel What you Feel had a lot of influence from

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Speaker 4: Free to Be You and Me, which is from the seventies.

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Speaker 4: My Camp Lisa record, which was an earlier record, was

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Speaker 4: really influenced by a lot of soft pop from the

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Speaker 4: seventies and bread and lots of harmonies, and we had

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Speaker 4: a lot of guests and stuff. So it's just a

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Speaker 4: very freeing genre and it's really fun. You can get

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Speaker 4: really sad, you can get very have storytellings, you can

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Speaker 4: be silly all in one record. And I like that's

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Speaker 4: that's as a person who likes to make stuff that's

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Speaker 4: so fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So one final question, it's a practice. We found

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Speaker 1: ourselves wondering a lot as we watched back the episodes

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Speaker 1: we taped thirty years ago. But watching the incredible music

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Speaker 1: video for Stay, which has now been updated for the times.

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Speaker 1: When you see that Lisa Lobe about to have her

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Speaker 1: life changed forever, what would you want to tell her?

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Speaker 4: Now? Wow, I haven't thought about that, you know, I

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Speaker 4: probably I would probably say stick with your guns, you know,

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Speaker 4: like at that time we were talking about Lilith Fair.

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Speaker 4: But even still just the general state of feminism, you

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01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 4: just get a general feeling that what you have to

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01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: say is bothering somebody or annoying or pushy or and

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Speaker 4: I felt that a lot as a young artist, but

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Speaker 4: I had been doing it for so many years, ever

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Speaker 4: since I was in high school. I was recording my

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Speaker 4: own music, like I knew what I wanted, I knew

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Speaker 4: what I wanted to hear. Sometimes it was scary to

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 4: collaborate with others because I felt like they were going

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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 4: to try to take over, or they wouldn't take me seriously,

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01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: meaning like they wouldn't listen to me, not take me

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: seriously like I'm so important, but just like literally collaborate

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Speaker 4: on an even basis. So I would say, like, be yourself,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't which I did, But it was still

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Speaker 4: this feeling of holding back always always if we do

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Speaker 4: that as women, anyway, like always feeling like you might

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01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 4: ruffle someone's feathers, you might say something that will hit

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Speaker 4: them in the wrong way. Growing up both at the girls' school,

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Speaker 4: Like the proper way to act is that you respect others,

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Speaker 4: but also the values of my family. Growing up, you

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Speaker 4: respect others, but it can cross the line to where

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01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 4: you're not respecting yourself and you're not speaking. You know,

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01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: there's no dream too big, and there's no there's no

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Speaker 4: idea that's stupid. Really, like you always fight for what

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Speaker 4: you want and then also at the same time, don't

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Speaker 4: be afraid to collaborate. It took me a really long

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01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 4: time to really feel the comfort that I feel in collaboration.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things that I've broken out of my

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 4: anxiety or fear or depression for doing because I'm just trying.

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Speaker 4: Like even the acting thing we're talking about, like it's

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Speaker 4: scary to memorize stuff, Well, great, tell the makeup artist

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 4: or tell the person on the set, like I'm scared.

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Speaker 4: I realized there's millions of actors over there, like sitting

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01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 4: going over their lines over and over and over and

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 4: over again. It's not embarrassing, it's just being a person

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Speaker 4: doing a job. Everybody does things in different ways. Everybody,

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Speaker 4: you know. I said it in my song, which was

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01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 4: another top Footy hit, my song I Do. It was

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Speaker 4: kind of like a really straightforward thing to say, but

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Speaker 4: I meant it like everybody feels this way sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it's okay to be a human, so it's so

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Speaker 4: collaborating asking for help but also being yourself one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent fully, don't be scared of that, And I did.

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Speaker 4: I am excited and proud I have accomplished a lot,

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Speaker 4: and at the same time, there's so much more that

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01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 4: I could have, should have would have done if I

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 4: weren't scared, you know, to do it. Or we're having

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 4: this slight feeling of anxiety or a large feeling of anxiety,

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01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 4: you know, overshadowed by a busy life. You know, I

1406
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: think we have our whole world in front of us,

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 4: like do everything. You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that some of those feelings have

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Speaker 1: passed for you and now you're just saying yes to

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Speaker 1: all of the things that are going to bring you

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Speaker 1: joy because we are all benefiting from them and we're

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Speaker 1: all getting to enjoy that. So thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us today. We have

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Speaker 1: just every opportunity we've had to be around you, We've

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01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: enjoyed you more and more, and we're just grateful that

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Speaker 1: you've spent any of your time with us.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much. Well, you guys are so

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Speaker 4: sweet to have me on and I appreciate what you

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Speaker 4: do and writer. Thank you for all the very kind

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Speaker 4: words that means a lot to me of course, and

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Speaker 4: wish me luck memorizing things for the future.

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Speaker 1: We'll help you anywhere we can. Okay, awesome, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Lisa, thank you talking to you.

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Speaker 4: She's so cool.

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Speaker 2: She's so coolah, oh my god. I just love like

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Speaker 2: how prolific she is, not only as a songwriter, but

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: in like every aspect of her life. And I just

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01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: love that she's pretty much like the ideal version of

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 2: Lisa Lobe in my mind. Yeah, like the Lisa Lobe

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 2: that I kind of wished I like could meet in

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 2: a coffee shop when I was sixteen, and like talk

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: to is exactly who she is.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: We would sit and talk books and we would go

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Speaker 2: into a million different pathways. We talk music, we talk movies.

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Speaker 2: I just like know, oh yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 2: my type of person. And it's so cool how that happens,

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: You know, when you're attracted to somebody's art just whatever

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: they do, and then you actually get to see behind

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: the curtain and you're like, oh, yeah, there's a reason

1441
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: we connected through your heart is that you were expressing

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: yourself and that wasn't just yeah, you.

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01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: Were expressing yourself so well it was perceived the right way.

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and like this connection speaks to you and

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01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: you and your language.

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01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 3: Essentially, she's your real life perse girl.

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.

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01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: I mean, it's what it is. Had you found Lisa

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 3: Loeb's purse back in the day, she wanted to spoken,

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 3: right to write or strong?

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01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 4: That is funny. You're right.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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