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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: I would tell you my my big big guy with

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Speaker 3: the small number theory big guys, it's small numbers.

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Speaker 4: You know what it means to me, Mike, is it

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Speaker 4: means that that guy is a really good applete. It's

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Speaker 4: not typical that like these three hundred pound guys or

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Speaker 4: you know, we're number eight.

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Speaker 2: We like Buy and more. It was seven at BU.

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Speaker 5: Paul, You and I we don't really often have bets,

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Speaker 5: and yet somehow I bet that ship Nard Sanders was

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Speaker 5: going to go in the top fifteen, and I owe

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Speaker 5: you a sandwich.

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Speaker 4: That Trio of Safety is that win in the fourth

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Speaker 4: round back in twenty five because we're absolute sick of

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Speaker 4: Catch twenty two or yeah your tagline catch twenty two

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Speaker 4: will remember, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Did you check in with Barky on your ride home

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Speaker 5: last night.

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Speaker 6: And tried calling him but he wasn't ready to talk yet,

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Speaker 6: so probably talk.

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Speaker 3: To ready to dere No, No, I'm not there yet, so.

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Speaker 2: Nothing will be that you're ready for your close up

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Speaker 2: after you da phase it.

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Speaker 6: Nothing will be the cold, strange draft. And him and

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Speaker 6: I spent about an hour and a half on the phone.

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Speaker 6: Jess is sleeping in the other room and she comes

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Speaker 6: in and she's like, you're screaming. It's two o'clock in

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Speaker 6: the morning.

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Speaker 3: I was like, they drafted the card.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. We're back to our normal routine after

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Speaker 2: a big week the NFL Draft the Patriots. I think

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Speaker 2: the consensus is that they had a pretty good draft.

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 2: I think they brought in some players, at least at

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Speaker 2: the time of that draft that have a chance to

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Speaker 2: really contribute right away in areas of need. So I'm

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Speaker 2: very excited. I don't know if you guys share my enthusiasm.

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Speaker 2: It's Deuce, it's Deven, it's Paul. We might have a

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Speaker 2: guest in a little bit, so waiting for him to

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Speaker 2: show up. But in the meantime, let's let's talk about

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Speaker 2: what transpired over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a funny place to be because I

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Speaker 5: think we were used in the draft being like, well

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Speaker 5: I wanted them to do this and they didn't quite

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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you.

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Speaker 5: Know, we talked so much about the draft leading up

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Speaker 5: to it, and I just feel like the positions we

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Speaker 5: we talked about, the positions that we'd like to see

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Speaker 5: them fee like they check kind of all my boxes.

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Speaker 5: Like I have a couple, you know, the safety a

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Speaker 5: little bit of a Okay, I know I wasn't really

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Speaker 5: edge rusher, maybe a little bit early, maybe you know,

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Speaker 5: just a developmental guy. Sure, but when they you know,

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Speaker 5: just reinforced the pass rush a little bit. So for me,

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Speaker 5: they checked all the boxes and we everything we've talked

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Speaker 5: about is on YouTube and on Patriots dot com ad nauseum.

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Speaker 5: So it's just it's, uh, it just feels good to say,

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Speaker 5: you know, it feels like we were on it. We

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Speaker 5: it's satisfying and it's it's exciting for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we didn't there were no head like real head scratch,

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Speaker 6: The safety was a little like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah not you know, but other I mean,

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Speaker 5: and that's not really a criticism. I mean that that

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Speaker 2: Like, who's this guy?

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Speaker 5: But otherwise, every guy they took, I mean, you can

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Speaker 5: only talk about Kyle Williams for so long, and then

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Speaker 5: they took Kyle Williams. You know, we were just we

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Speaker 5: I just think that's what the excitement mostly, a lot

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Speaker 5: of the excitement comes from you put the tires on

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Speaker 5: and that just is this season ended. That's what we've

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Speaker 3: Be able to do it with somebody's little analogy on

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Speaker 3: the fly, then yeah, you're putting the higher on their car.

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Speaker 3: Frett helps them out with the absolutely Toyota's well done.

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Speaker 6: You can strap it up. I've it's been a while

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Speaker 6: since the Patriots have had uh glowing remarks across all

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Speaker 6: It's not just us, like it's one thing for us

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Speaker 6: to say it, but all these other places are saying

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Speaker 6: some places even grading them as the best draft in

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Speaker 6: that's a that's a different feeling. I normally you see

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Speaker 6: some some head scratchers, some guys that you weren't expecting

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Speaker 6: I feel kind of weird that everybody's like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 6: no great draft guys, Yeah, so cool.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Paul bring you back down.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all, and it will did they my

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Speaker 6: Okay, they gave it what I'm talking about, cheap.

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Speaker 3: Kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is going to go down to me. We're

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Speaker 4: going to look at those first three guys, the offensive picks.

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Speaker 4: The offense badly needed some some help. And that's where

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Speaker 4: I think this this draft is ultimately going to be defined.

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Speaker 4: Now assuming that those guys pan out, you can really

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Speaker 3: That's how you take a good draft.

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Speaker 4: And make it really you know, one of them that

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Speaker 4: Mike and I bickered a little bit as the weekend

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Speaker 4: went on with the Edge, and if I had known

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Speaker 4: it would be so easy to get Mike excited, you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll just pick one in the fifth round, I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: He's one of the best values in the draft just

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Speaker 6: based off of the consensus and where they ended up

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Speaker 6: getting him. Swinson was for me a top one hundred

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Speaker 6: and he fell. And there's some things in the beast

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Speaker 6: In the fifth round. So you know, for Deuce that

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Speaker 6: that's your developmental edge, Like that's that's the guy with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I will say and I said it.

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Speaker 5: But I took a little glance forward at next year's class,

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Speaker 5: like I just, you know, people come up with these

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Speaker 5: it'll be another strong class for that position. So that

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Speaker 5: it's I like what Ryan Cowten said. Like Ryan Cowten,

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Speaker 4: said you were looking for a developmental backup defensive end.

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Speaker 3: You don't pitch Swinton, Well, I picture.

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Speaker 5: I see him more as a stand up pass rusher,

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Speaker 3: I mean I look at four down lineman, the guys

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'll defer to you two, but

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Speaker 4: in this I I look at those Those two guys

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Speaker 3: There their edge rushers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know Harold Landry, I mean, yep, Chasing's not

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Speaker 4: an every down player. I mean I I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's been that in his career. Now, maybe he will

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Speaker 5: And I think I think I've summed it up well.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of two things competing for me. It's pass

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Speaker 1: I love this stuff. Can we just keep this defense

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Speaker 3: Fred?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 6: Just my favorite pick of the drafts. I gotta defend

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Speaker 3: It's good and it's good.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we don't even mention.

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Speaker 2: But you mentioned YouTube. I just want to remind folks

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Speaker 2: There's already a bunch of stuff there, and as this

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, my son is my son,

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Speaker 5: He was looking for next nation.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he's uh so it's good. We'll get lot

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Speaker 2: There, good stuff, all right, going viral?

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Speaker 3: Fred? Yeah, when the kids are talking going.

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Speaker 2: So what was your your was your big story other

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Speaker 5: I mean that was wild, sure, I mean going to

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Speaker 1: Talking about his reactions too.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there was some behind the scenes pressure

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Speaker 3: Do you think the miserable reaction of the draft room.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they signed Deontay Johnson too.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's embarrassing.

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Speaker 6: It kind of is personal you know, in a way,

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Speaker 4: But my point would be, so I made these evaluations

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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't get it wrong there wrong in terms

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Speaker 3: But he's killing the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's killing Dare you disagree with me?

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Speaker 4: It's not personal Mel. Well, listen, due they didn't take

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Speaker 3: It to mel Kuiper.

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Speaker 2: I think Mel's on there, he wants to be.

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Speaker 3: That's how that to me, the story became mel Kiper.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, it's all about the drama.

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Speaker 4: And I do think that you're you're right about that.

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Speaker 4: His performance over the weekend wasn't That.

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Speaker 2: Was a guy in ESPN who's a multi millionaire in

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Speaker 5: And then did you guys see the what is the

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Speaker 2: That was really stupid. I mean, that kid, he just

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Speaker 4: He did, and he's obviously, you know, paying the price

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Speaker 4: Like the reaction, My god Like, if my kid did it,

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Speaker 2: Father and works for an NFL team, right, have some

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Speaker 3: My god, was no one ever twenty one before and

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Speaker 6: I do wonder that, like why does the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 6: Right, But like shouldn't that master she'd have a little

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Speaker 2: But but I mean, the whole he got prank called

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Speaker 5: Those guys would be in prison, like Star six nine,

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm not Please, don't misunderstand this. I'm not.

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Speaker 4: It was a dumb, dumb thing and it was mean.

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Speaker 2: Oh really yeah?

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Speaker 2: And you know, Sanders kind of handled it really well,

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Speaker 3: Like no, everybody's getting outraged.

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Speaker 2: Four Yeah, I give him credit, but it's yeah, you

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Speaker 5: I forget which of our draft pics it was, but

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Speaker 1: Where you're taking advantage of somebody in kind of a

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Ye, like I said it was, it was mean.

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Speaker 2: got a lot of emails coming in, we got calls

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Speaker 2: coming in. Chances are we're going to have a guest

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Speaker 2: at some point soon. So while we're waiting for him

446
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Speaker 2: to come in, Uh, let me get my mouse working here.

447
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Speaker 2: Uh it's not working, all right? The good radio, Well

448
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Speaker 2: maybe we'll go to wemails.

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Speaker 3: Now, can you punch up radio calls from that's all right?

450
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Speaker 2: Phone calls, it might be a bad battery.

451
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can do it like they do on

452
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Speaker 3: my shows. I'm frozen. Jimmy, I'm frozen. Can you can

453
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Speaker 3: you punch up line?

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Speaker 2: Here we go. I gotta go, and I gotta go, and.

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Speaker 1: I do that right from the dead.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to uh. We'll start with you hate them?

457
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Speaker 2: Cole in Minnesota? What's up? Cold good?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'm called back a few months back free

460
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Speaker 9: free agent signing, Paul. I'm excited because everything has happened

461
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Speaker 9: so far. Maybe defensive, you know, reload the offensive line,

462
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Speaker 9: wide receiver death. I got my major question today for

463
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Speaker 9: you guys, is you know, all the things we did

464
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Speaker 9: are all kind of dependent on one coaching step and

465
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Speaker 9: two whether Drake may think that next week's Steven is

466
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Speaker 9: there something that you could see get hits off more

467
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Speaker 9: year that may I can take a step back from him,

468
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Speaker 9: Like if he goes on another you know, ten twelve

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Speaker 9: interception one. Is that kind of where we take a

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Speaker 9: step back or do we just say.

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Speaker 2: All, well, okay, thanks for the call. If he if

472
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Speaker 2: he throws for forty touchdowns and has twelve interceptions, I'm

473
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Speaker 2: fine with that. It just depends on his production.

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Speaker 4: Twelve interceptions is not no, that's not all. That's not

475
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Speaker 4: a bad that's not terrible. I mean it's not great,

476
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Speaker 4: but it's not a bad number. But especially second year.

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Speaker 2: But if you only have fifteen touchdowns, then it makes it.

478
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Speaker 3: That's not so good, you know. And he's not making

479
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Speaker 3: any place right.

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Speaker 2: So but if he's making plays left and right and

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Speaker 2: he has those types of intercepts, that's okay. We can

482
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Speaker 2: live with that.

483
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Speaker 5: You just don't want the mac jones back across the field.

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Speaker 1: Just dumb decisions, good play, right, you know.

485
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Speaker 3: I think the same things that we saw to see

486
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Speaker 3: those cleaned up.

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Speaker 5: I mean with Drake we May sprays. I mean there

488
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Speaker 5: are are case and all, whoa, what was that?

489
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Speaker 1: Not too consistent? But it's a huge question.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure, like step back like I don't I

491
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Speaker 5: look at more.

492
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Speaker 1: You got to take a step forward. I agree, that's

493
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Speaker 1: what it is.

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Speaker 5: He's got to cut down on those turnovers and he's

495
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Speaker 5: got to prove it in clutch time.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two big things, right.

497
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Speaker 2: But Cole's bigger point that this season is mostly dependent

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Speaker 2: on coaching and Drake May's development. I agree with that absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I agree with absolutely.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Deuce's point about clutch like we don't really know

502
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Speaker 6: what it looks like for Drake may in a meaningful

503
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Speaker 6: game when it's you know, they're down three two minutes left,

504
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Speaker 6: like can he orchestrate like we saw so many times

505
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Speaker 6: with Brady, Like can you orchestrate those types of drives?

506
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Speaker 6: You really didn't have the pressure of that moment too

507
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Speaker 6: often because of the you know, the failures of the

508
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Speaker 6: team last year, So we don't know like that. That's

509
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Speaker 6: the unknown in so many of these games right now

510
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Speaker 6: are decided by one score. So if it comes down

511
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Speaker 6: to that and he doesn't have that it factor yet,

512
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Speaker 6: then they're gonna lose those coin flip.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you call it the if factor, and that's

514
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Speaker 5: really to me everything. It's there are a lot of

515
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Speaker 5: good quarterbacks in the league. There are a lot of

516
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Speaker 5: starting quarterbacks in the league, but the special quarterbacks are

517
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Speaker 5: the ones that when it's all on the line, they

518
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Speaker 5: make the plays. And those are the guys that win

519
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Speaker 5: playoff games and win Super Bowls. And how many times

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Speaker 5: you have to see Patrick Mahomes do it, you get

521
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Speaker 5: to a certain point, like with him and Brady, where

522
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Speaker 5: you know, teams are just not comfortable at all until

523
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Speaker 5: the clock hits zero. And I hope that that's what

524
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Speaker 5: kind of quarterback Drake. Make him be the guy and

525
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Speaker 5: the guy that you have to put every single nail

526
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Speaker 5: in that coffin because if you leave one of them out,

527
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Speaker 5: he's gonna bust out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, let's go to Fidel in Tampa. Hey, Fidel, guys,

529
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Speaker 2: doing good.

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Speaker 11: Good you talking about the YouTube channel growing. My favorite

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Speaker 11: video so far has been the draft reaction. So drafting

532
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Speaker 11: Will Campbell. The very first thing you hear is Bred going, wow,

533
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Speaker 11: it looks like his brother. Okay, he looks like a

534
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Speaker 11: Batman villain.

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Speaker 2: Well, the suit absolutely, the pit strike suit.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no clappang, no nothing, just like it looks

537
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Speaker 11: like his brother.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well he did.

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Speaker 11: But it is good. I love the draft. I think

540
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Speaker 11: Kyle Williams, I think it's probably one of my favorite picks.

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Speaker 11: I thought it was funny that we were in the

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Speaker 11: same scenario as we were when we drafted Sonny Michelle

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Speaker 11: and Nick Chubb with the brown and it splits, and

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Speaker 11: now they draft the running backs person we drafted Trayvon,

545
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Speaker 11: So I was wondering, what do you think. Do you

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Speaker 11: think we're gonna come out on the edge this time

547
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Speaker 11: and have a better producing running back or do you

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Speaker 11: think this fakes the same.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. You know, Quentin John Jenkins

550
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Speaker 6: and Travon Henderson were neck and neck for everybody. It

551
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Speaker 6: was a coin flip of which guy you had over

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Speaker 6: the other. Jenkins is a little bit more of an

553
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Speaker 6: angry runner, downhill runner, you know, once to seek contact

554
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Speaker 6: instead of avoiding it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Traveon Henderson is more of a space back, a guy

557
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Speaker 6: that excels with you know, in space and with speed

558
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Speaker 6: and that sort of thing. So they're they're different but

559
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Speaker 6: similar because they both have good speed at the end

560
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Speaker 6: of the day, but they play differently. So it'll be

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Speaker 6: interesting to see which one ends up being better. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I personally preferred Henderson, and this was before he became

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Speaker 6: a Patriot. I personally preferred Henderson, but it was it

564
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Speaker 6: was really close. It was a toss up.

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Speaker 5: I remember you've being surprised when Judkins went first.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because I just think that he's he's a

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Speaker 6: guy that, like I said, he seeks contact, like he

568
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Speaker 6: wants to run you over. I personally would rather the

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Speaker 6: guy that runs around you instead of over you because

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Speaker 6: of the wear and tear and exactly that.

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Speaker 4: It is funny that he brought it up because I

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Speaker 4: kind of thought of Chubb and Michelle in a similar fashion.

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Speaker 4: I thought Michelle was more of the third down type

574
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Speaker 4: you can get, you get the ball in space a

575
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Speaker 4: little bit and use him as a receiver.

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Speaker 3: He was not that as a Patriot.

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Speaker 4: Now, what we didn't know to the extent was just

578
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Speaker 4: how injured he was coming out of Georgia. And obviously

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Speaker 4: Chubb had a far superior career. But I think that

580
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Speaker 4: I felt like there was a difference between Chubb and

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Speaker 4: Michelle each other, difference between Judkins and absolutely and I

582
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Speaker 4: would have taken Michelle. Then I was wrong, just like

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Speaker 4: the Patriots were in terms of the skill set. I

584
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Speaker 4: like the skill set now. Chubb I think was a

585
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Speaker 4: better player at Georgia. I think Henderson was a better

586
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Speaker 4: player at Ohio State. So in one regard, I'm saying

587
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Speaker 4: I like what the Patriots did now I didn't like

588
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Speaker 4: what they did then.

589
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Speaker 3: Different guys, but they're different guys.

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Speaker 2: Ryan and Watertown says, speaking of the draft LFG Aside

591
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Speaker 2: from the long snapper pick, I love pretty much everything

592
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Speaker 2: the Patriots did. My question this week is about the

593
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Speaker 2: wide receiver room. I know it's early, but who do

594
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Speaker 2: you think might be gone once the regular season rolls around.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna be a popular question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, started already yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really look at I love how you know

598
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Speaker 4: all of those guys, Yeah, started already yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Did that's none of the topics the roster.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I would say two guys I would look at, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, Kendrick Bourne. Is there is there a spot

602
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Speaker 6: for him, especially with Digs and Kyle Williams probably being

603
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Speaker 6: you know, base receiver types that Kendrick Bourne is like

604
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Speaker 6: it is there really a role for him? And then

605
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Speaker 6: Javon Baker I think is the other one. And I'd

606
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Speaker 6: probably put kish On Booty in that conversation too. But

607
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Speaker 6: I see a lot of people just because Javon Baker

608
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Speaker 6: was a fourth round pick last year, I think he's

609
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Speaker 6: going to be on the roster over Booty. But Booty's

610
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Speaker 6: got a lot more NFL production and flash, you know

611
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Speaker 6: to to his game. I mean, Javon Baker's done nothing.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you that.

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Speaker 4: For Polk, I think the fact that Polk is a

614
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Speaker 4: second years, second round pick probably gives.

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Speaker 3: Him a leg up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not for a fourth round pick. There are plenty

617
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Speaker 4: of fourth round picks that wash out quickly, and I

618
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Speaker 4: agree with Evan.

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Speaker 5: I have a little bit of question on Bourne, just

620
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Speaker 5: because if Digs isn't ready to go, what makes sense

621
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Speaker 5: to keep and have some veteran reliability.

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Speaker 3: There another good point.

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Speaker 5: I just looking at the depth chart immediately, it's like,

624
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Speaker 5: you know, I feel like at X they can run

625
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Speaker 5: anybody out there, but you know, to hang on to Bourne,

626
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Speaker 5: who had a great year.

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Speaker 1: In McDaniel's system, it might.

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Speaker 5: Be a little bit more explosive, this little more reliability.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's how I could see him. But I agree

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Speaker 5: with you on Booty. I think all those guys and Baker,

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Speaker 5: especially Baker's got to have it like a flawless camp.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's got to come out and put

633
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Speaker 1: it all together.

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Speaker 3: And we all know those guys are going to have

635
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Speaker 3: to win jobs. Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: And they did get rid of you know, a half

637
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Speaker 4: dozen players yesterday. Because all that, I think, I think

638
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Speaker 4: there's like seventeen undrafted free agency, so to get to

639
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Speaker 4: I think it's ninety one because I think one of

640
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Speaker 4: those is an international player.

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Speaker 3: It's not he's not an international player.

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Speaker 4: No, Okay, I thought I read yesterday somewhere on Twitter

643
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Speaker 4: that he was, but so some guys had to go.

644
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Speaker 4: I don't think that, like Polk Baker, Boody Born. Chances

645
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: are those guys we are going to make it to

646
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Speaker 4: the spring and get to the camps and figure it out.

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Speaker 3: You know.

648
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Speaker 4: I know that Booty is a guy that Adam Schefter

649
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Speaker 4: throughout there was a trade candidate. Anything could happen, sure,

650
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Speaker 4: but they're not all going to make the team coming

651
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Speaker 4: out of training camp.

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Speaker 3: So let the competition. This is what this is what

653
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Speaker 3: Rabel kept.

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Speaker 4: Talking about from the day that he signed, had his

655
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Speaker 4: introductory press conference. I think they I think they've created

656
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Speaker 4: all the competition, you know, in a number of places.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how good.

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Speaker 4: You know, like Mike started off when you're talking about

659
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Speaker 4: the draft, like there's still holes with depth, and I

660
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Speaker 4: agree with that, Like don't confuse you have a crowded

661
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Speaker 4: room with a lot of players in the room, Like

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Speaker 4: they have a lot of players at wide receiver. They

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00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: have a lot of offensive linemen right now. You know,

664
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: there's another one, you know, and Marcus Bryant is added

665
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: in with Cayden Wallace, you know, and Will Campbell with

666
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: you know, with these tackles that doesn't mean you have

667
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: a crowded tackle room, like you have to figure out

668
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: who can play before you say, oh wow, they're gonna

669
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 4: have some tough choices to make because you know, anyone,

670
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: you know, with Marcus Bryant who played left tackle at Missouri,

671
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: with you know, a very highly regarded right tackle at Membo.

672
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: Maybe he's a diamond in the rough seventh round pick

673
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: and maybe he's better than Kayden Wallace, who knows.

674
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: You know, And we have to keep our eye on

675
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: digs like is he even going to be ready to

676
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: be in training camp? And maybe he starts the season

677
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: on pup or something like that, and you know it,

678
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: it opens up a spot for someone who otherwise would

679
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: have had to go. So you know, we'll see what

680
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: his status is. But right now he's looking good from

681
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: the videos anyway.

682
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

683
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: How did well Welker came right back?

684
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 8: Right?

685
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: I mean Welker played Week one.

686
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Some people are built different.

687
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Well was injured later. That's right, he was injured in

688
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 3: the last game of the season.

689
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: Smaller, so it's like to feal faster.

690
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 6: I think the tough part about it, we'll go with

691
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 6: that of the receiver room is I don't think there's

692
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: a lack of depth. I think there's a lot of

693
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 6: lack of top end talent. So, like, all these guys

694
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: that we're talking about are kind of the same talent level.

695
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 6: So which one do you pick that's that's right point?

696
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 6: Right when you get into you know, kay Shan Boody,

697
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 6: Javon Baker, even Kendrick Bourne, like these Jalen Polk, like

698
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: these guys are all kind of the same. So who

699
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 6: wins out is going to be interesting. You know, Kyle

700
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 6: Williams is going to be on the team as a

701
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 6: third round pick. Diggs is obviously going to be here

702
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 6: in some capacity. Mac Collins I assume will be on

703
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 6: the roster, and I think Pop will be on the roster.

704
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: But like, those four are really the only guys that

705
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 6: are safe. You know, if you told me that it

706
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 6: was Javon Baker and not Kai Shan Boody that makes

707
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: the final cut, I couldn't argue with you. Like it's possible, it'd.

708
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 5: Be fun to see a locked in Javon Baker. That's

709
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: like really getting it. I just I think he's got

710
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: a lot of talent and I don't know how it

711
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: would all manifest itself if it did all come to fruition.

712
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you see how the guy moved.

713
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: Off the line last year, and that's a lot where we

714
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: talked about with Kyle Williams' ability to separate quickly, and

715
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: you know, it's just the concentration drops. It felt like,

716
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: I mean, it's remember like just Drake kept throwing them bombs,

717
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: throwing them bombs. He's dropping it. He just you know,

718
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 5: they just couldn't seem to connect. But maybe maybe he

719
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: comes out He's like my wild card, you know the

720
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 5: other guys. I feel like, you know what Booty kind

721
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: of is. I mean, I think Paul, you made a

722
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: good point. Agree with you on the radio. I think

723
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: I think you made it on the radio saying not

724
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 5: that I made a good point. Well that that you know,

725
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: Booty had a really good jump from first year to

726
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: second year.

727
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: He emerged. No one thought he was really going to

728
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: do anything.

729
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: Why not have some hope that maybe he continues to

730
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: make a jump and it takes another step forward.

731
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: I it was a good point, but your baker point.

732
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: I do I.

733
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: Feel like his skill sets different than the others. And Evan,

734
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: you just talked about all those different guys that to

735
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: me are all similar. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Baker.

736
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: You know, if you're asking me what I think is

737
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: going to happen with Baker, I don't think it's going

738
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: to click.

739
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: I think there's some maturity issues there.

740
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: I think there's some focus issues there, and I think

741
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: those are going to hold him back. I think it

742
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: held him back at Alabama and caused him to, you know,

743
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: have to sort of go to a smaller program. I

744
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: think it knocked him into the fourth round. So I

745
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: don't think it's like a new thing. He got to

746
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: the NFL and suddenly lacked focus. I think that's plagued him.

747
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: So I'm skeptical on him. But in terms of skill set,

748
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: he might be a little different and have a little

749
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: bit higher skill set than that group that he's competing with.

750
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, that's exactly what motivates me the

751
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 5: same boat. I'm not confident, not bt BTT.

752
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm not banging the.

753
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: Table or PTT pound the table that one.

754
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: That it's going to have. I'm not pounding or banging.

755
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: I just say I hope that he's I hope he's

756
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: locked in because I mean, I think we had you

757
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: know vibes immediately with him from you know, the wheelchair

758
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 5: comments and all that stuff right out of gate that

759
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: you're like, dude, you know, and even his comments after

760
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: the year, not really understanding how much scrutiny everything he

761
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: said would be under And so you know, I don't

762
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 5: rule him out because some of these guys, it's their kids,

763
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: they're coming out. I mean, how many kids come out

764
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 5: of school in the first year of their job. They

765
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: don't really know what they're doing. But it's got a

766
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: click for him quick or else he's he's going to

767
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: quickly be off the team.

768
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too bad because there's me. Listen, the bar

769
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 6: wasn't very high last year, but there was a lot

770
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 6: of people in the building that thought that he was

771
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 6: the most talented receiver in the entire room last year.

772
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 6: But he just doesn't have the maturity and he doesn't have,

773
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 6: you know, that whole thing to realize his potential. But

774
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 6: there's no question that he's a really talented player. I

775
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 6: don't think anybody's ever doubted that, even you know, going back,

776
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 6: like Paul said to Alabama, like he's an extremely talented athlete.

777
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: DARPin or Dupon from New York City says, congrats on

778
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: the awesome draft coverage. Mike's increasing annoyance at the team

779
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: for foregoing defense on day two to help our promising

780
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: young quarterback was my highlight. Me too, Mike, It's too

781
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: early to op hating Drake or to start hating Drake

782
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: fair enough. My takeaway for the Pages draft is that

783
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: they are not trying to outsmart everyone. They kept it simple.

784
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: Nita left tackle, grabbed the consensus number five player that's

785
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: sitting right there, historic draft class at running back in

786
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: D line. Make sure to grab some and most important,

787
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: respect the consensus rankings for at least the top one hundred.

788
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Don't reach into the early rounds like the old regime Belichick,

789
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: let's forget about Mail. Last year regularly did maybe because

790
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: they thought their evaluations were so much better than everyone else.

791
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: Not worried about the alleged reaches on day three. There

792
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: is no such thing as a reach on day three.

793
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: In my humble opinion, I love the first part of

794
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: that about you know, the consensus was they were strong,

795
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: say edge strong running back, and we're gonna lean into that.

796
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna look at you know.

797
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: I remember the different years like well, this is this

798
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: is like a legendary wide receiver class. We're gonna zag

799
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a wide receiver the following year like that.

800
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: That's something that the Patriots did routinely in the latter

801
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 4: part of the Belichick era. The the way they're consensuously ranked,

802
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: I don't care as much about because I go by

803
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: the NFL teams, not by you know, the mel Kipers

804
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: of the world. Now, certainly great when when they marry

805
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: and they're they're similar. But these two guys have been

806
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: talking to me about running backs and edge guys for

807
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of months, and they they targeted

808
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: those positions. I think that that's to me, that's smart.

809
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: That's not trying to outsmart everybody, right, that's saying I agree,

810
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: these these spots are talented and they're deep, and we're

811
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 4: going to make sure we get somebody that is in

812
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: that talented and deep crop. I think that's smart drafting.

813
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it's gonna work, no, but but there's

814
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: logical and I can understand.

815
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: What they think.

816
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 5: Like you just said it, Paul, that was I think

817
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: I said in Day three. It's just logically everything makes sense.

818
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: You know, I think you got to a point where

819
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 5: some of Bill's drafts where you knew there was always

820
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 5: gonna be one pick that like, it's not a need,

821
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 5: it's a guy that was way down everyone else's draft boards.

822
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: But Bill must see something, and you know, we all

823
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 5: respect him. So let's just hold our breath and see

824
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 5: what happens. But it was a little harder to talk

825
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 5: glowingly about Tavon Wilson, you know, than it is talking

826
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: about why they took Trayvon Henderson or why they took

827
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: Kyle Williams. It's just clear needs, and you know, especially

828
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: when just everything we talked about like they need to

829
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 5: get explosive, they tried to get explosive. So I just

830
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 5: I there aren't gets nitpicks. I mean making fun of

831
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 5: me about the defense.

832
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: It's nitpicks.

833
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 5: It's not like you're not going to get everything every year.

834
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: And if you had to like punt on something, all right,

835
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: well you're not going to get one of those edges

836
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: that this year.

837
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: It's fine.

838
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: And frankly, this team can't afford to take chances. Yeah,

839
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: they needs enough talent that you know, forget about the

840
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: developmental guys. Take the guys with the talent or on

841
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: tape and then coach him up when they get here.

842
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: Floyd and Redford, Michigan. I'm impressed with the draft, but

843
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: he says in capital letters. How do we says whether

844
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: or not Will Campbell will be a good or bad pick?

845
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: If he stays at left tackle and at least becomes

846
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Nate's solder, is a good pick to me. Having to

847
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: move him to guard means we once again need a

848
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: left tackle, which is not okay with me. How do

849
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: we fairly assess Will Campbell?

850
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: I mean, if he had to move to guard, he

851
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: was an exceptional guard, he was like an all Pro guard.

852
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean that's not terrible.

853
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: I don't think that's like a bust, but it.

854
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: Does mean we still need a tackle.

855
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: Right, And that's the unfortunate part. But I think he

856
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: needs to be.

857
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: I think he would need to be a good tackle

858
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: to take with the fourth overall pick. You know, is

859
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 4: Nate Soldier good enough?

860
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Probably?

861
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: Probably? Right?

862
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 6: Can we get Matt light out of it?

863
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: When I went on a Hearty show the other morning,

864
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 5: Michael Holly asked me if, like, well, if he gets

865
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 5: like one Pro Bowl and he has like ten years,

866
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 5: is that okay, and so I had to go. Look,

867
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: so Matt Light and Nate Solder had a Pro Bowl,

868
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: just one betweading me Matt Light went once. So if

869
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: he is.

870
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: Our left tackle for ten years, it's a good pick.

871
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

872
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you shored up a position and

873
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: now Paul will say, well, does he play well for

874
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: ten years? Well, I believe if he stays for ten years,

875
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: he's playing well.

876
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 4: And I'd have a hard time arguing with Yeah, there's

877
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: no way he's going to keep his job for ten

878
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: years if he's just like you know, twenty fifth and

879
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: ps off every year.

880
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: You've shored up a position of need for ten years,

881
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: right pick.

882
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 5: I would say where some of the nuance might come

883
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 5: is maybe kind of how Paul you felt about Matt

884
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 5: lighte where there are certain matchups, perhaps that as you

885
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 5: get going, you know, this week, we might have some

886
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: problems this, you know, like having it to single him

887
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 5: out for help or those kind of things like not ideal,

888
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 5: not ideal, you prefer not to have to worry, or

889
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: we got a really long edge.

890
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 4: Rusher because you know, you know, I've been awfully, awfully

891
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: positive about his draft, and I feel that way I'm

892
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: not putting on an act. I feel strongly that they

893
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: took playmakers, and they needed playmakers. What I would be

894
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: concerned with is like, if he plays like Matt Light

895
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: when at Soldier, how much did Tom Brady make those

896
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: guys better than they really were?

897
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

898
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bust the balls out.

899
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: So that's a need.

900
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: I need the fourth overall pick to be a better

901
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: player than Matt Light. Yeah, you know, ideally, Well that's

902
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: and that's what you would hope the fourth overall pick,

903
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: that you can stick him on an island with the

904
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: best pass rusher in the league.

905
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: And I mean is that realistic? Probably not, But.

906
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: If you're maybe the gate, But that's if you play

907
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: ten years.

908
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to be having to put Daniel Graham

909
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: next to him every time they play Jason Taylor, right right.

910
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't know. It depends on how

911
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 6: you to answer the question, like how does it look like?

912
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 6: How do you know what's he is?

913
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 12: He?

914
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 6: The player that I compared him to is Jake Matthews

915
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 6: in Atlanta, who is one Pro Bowl ten years, but

916
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 6: he's held down left tackle in Atlanta for a decade

917
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 6: and he's been a really good player. For the Falcons

918
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 6: to take it and a captain and all that kind

919
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: of stuff. And you know, the thing that you keep

920
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 6: hearing from everybody, I'm you know, I'm writing the future

921
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: on Will Campbell for the website, and people I've talked

922
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 6: to already at LSU and other places, they're just, you know,

923
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 6: this guy comes in and changes the culture of the

924
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 6: offensive line. You know, they really feel like he has

925
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 6: that kind of leadership that he is going to come

926
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 6: in and set a tone and you know, be an

927
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 6: example of work ethic and effort and toughness and all

928
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 6: the things that you look at. Now, if that ends

929
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 6: up manifesting itself in a guard, like is it that

930
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: might still be worth it. Like if he's still driving

931
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 6: the rest of the room the way that these people

932
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 6: describe him as, then he could be Zach Martin And like,

933
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 6: are we gonna come here ten years from now and

934
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 6: say bad pick as he's fitted for a red jacket,

935
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 6: Like if he's.

936
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: An exceptional guard, Yeah, I'm not gonna kill I'm not

937
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 4: going to kill that pick.

938
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: Fred.

939
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: I know you've been on that throughout the process, and

940
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: I've sort of gone back and forth with you a

941
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: little bit on it. But if he's that good as

942
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: a guard, you got to find a tackle still. But

943
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: at least you got a really really good guard. And

944
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 4: guards are important to uh, they matter, they matter. You

945
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: just don't want to have to take one at the

946
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 4: top of them. Have you hugged the guard, you know?

947
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 6: But if he's like the left tackle, like just for

948
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 6: argument's sake, if he's the left tackle for like a

949
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 6: year or two and he's solid, but clearly it projects

950
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 6: that he'd probably be better off inside. And they just

951
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 6: get into a situation where a premium left tackle kind

952
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 6: of falls into their lap. But he held down the

953
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 6: position for a year or two, and then they kicked

954
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 6: them inside because a you know, a Tyron Smith level player,

955
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 6: it just happens to be on the board for them

956
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 6: one year.

957
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Right, Like I then okay, right, he can't argue with that, right, you.

958
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 6: Know, because that's what I see potentially if he's going

959
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 6: to move inside, I think that's what would have to happen.

960
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 4: So in other words, not necessarily, because he just failed

961
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 4: and played the position, you got you had, okay, a tackle,

962
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: and then we got an opportunity to upgrade there, and

963
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: now we're going to strengthen the left side of the

964
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: line by having both of them.

965
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: On the left.

966
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, my algorithm has somehow picked up a bunch of

967
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 5: like Will Campbell high school training videos like that must

968
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 5: be one of his coaches posting him dripping sweat, holding

969
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 5: like a forty five pound plate, like doing leg kicks.

970
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 5: I mean, it looked like Dante Scarnekia putting him through

971
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 5: the drills. And just for me, it kind of brought

972
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 5: everything full circle because when he got so emotional about

973
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: everything he had been with, you don't really know what

974
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 5: these guys are doing. But when you see here's Will

975
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 5: Campbell in high school when probably a lot of his

976
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: friends weren't doing what he's doing, and he's, you know,

977
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: lugging a forty five pound plate up and down the field,

978
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 5: you know, you just it puts a little more context

979
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 5: into his journey. And I just keep going back though

980
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 5: with him. As soon as I heard him talk, I'm like,

981
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: this guy is Mike Rabel, Like he is a Rabel

982
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 5: kind of guy. And when you heard Rabel call him,

983
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 5: it sounded exactly like you. You do things the way

984
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 5: we want to do it, and not to me, aside

985
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 5: from the physical talent, just such a culture fit and

986
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 5: such a what like what Evan said, what's needed. It's

987
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 5: like an anchor for this offensive line and to give

988
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 5: them some identity.

989
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Well you you definitely see with how they're building the

990
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: roster so far that one of the high priorities is

991
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: building that culture. Yeah, absolutely setting up that culture.

992
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 5: I mean, just real quick, I got to see one

993
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 5: other thing, like just contrast last year, and I mean,

994
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: I hate to I'm not gonna compliment you again too much, Paul,

995
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 5: but like you know, it was like you just.

996
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: Look at the difference between a new regime.

997
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: A new regime came in.

998
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: This year and it is a totally different team that

999
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 5: they're going to put on the field this year. I mean,

1000
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: it was we want to put our stamp on it,

1001
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 5: and when you look at it in contrast to last year,

1002
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 5: it was we're going to try to hold on to

1003
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: a lot of the pieces and kind of make a

1004
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 5: version of what it previously was without you know, doing

1005
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 5: what Rabel's doing, which is I'm going to make this

1006
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 5: my team. I'm gonna put my stamp on it. I'm

1007
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: going to put all my guys into into positions to

1008
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: be successful. So at that to me is just really

1009
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 5: been remarkable as we look at the off season as

1010
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: a whole, with free agency in the draft.

1011
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Talking about it a little bit right as 're Abel

1012
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: took over and Fred, I think you and I did

1013
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: the two thousand and one thing, Like we talked a

1014
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: lot about this.

1015
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: This is going to be an overhaul.

1016
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: They're gonna there's gonna be a lot of guys that

1017
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: you're not necessarily expecting to not be a part of

1018
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: the equation. And there have been a few of those already,

1019
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: and I think there'll be more Bentley, you know, there'll

1020
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: be more of those those guys like that. You know,

1021
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: some that they let go as free agents, Son that

1022
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: they let go not as free agents, like Andrews and Bentley,

1023
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean you just look at the draft.

1024
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: I mean that they're drafting a kicker, They're drafted a

1025
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: long snapper. Is probably going to be some of the

1026
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: specialists are going to turn over to So I'm not

1027
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: surprised by that. You know, Mike was part of that

1028
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: two thousand and one class and probably was the the

1029
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: poster child for that two thousand and one free agent class,

1030
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: and he saw the impact that it had on the

1031
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: team right away. Yes, Tom Brady was largely responsible for

1032
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 4: the success, but that team was better, well, an old

1033
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: team was a lot better in one than it was

1034
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: in two thousand, and that's because Bill a completely overhauled

1035
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: the roster.

1036
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, why do you think Bill, I mean maybe he didn't,

1037
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: But why do you think Bill waited until the next

1038
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 5: year to do it?

1039
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: I didn't do a good question.

1040
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure he had enough time, yet he didn't get

1041
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 4: all the red tape handled until it was like February.

1042
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: By the time he really died, he was able to

1043
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: dive into it. And I also think.

1044
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: By red tape you mean the league stuff.

1045
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, right now.

1046
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 4: I mean clearly he was looking at the Patriots roster

1047
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: before that. I'm not naive, but I think there were

1048
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: also some veterans that were involved that maybe he wasn't

1049
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: necessarily looking to.

1050
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: Just get get rid of immediately. Some he did. I

1051
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: think Coats went right away.

1052
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't think Earthwind Morland was you know

1053
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 2: that was later?

1054
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: That was like four was that?

1055
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: Who were the guys in two thousand that were like?

1056
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: Who are these guys? I forget like he mentioned some

1057
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: of the names.

1058
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: Like well, I was thinking more of like the Chris

1059
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: Slades and the Bruce Armstrongs of the world.

1060
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably seen better.

1061
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 4: They were right, and you know, and it took him

1062
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: a little bit to figure out, Okay, this one can

1063
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: stay out. One needs to go that one in then,

1064
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 4: you know, I think it was mostly yeah, you're right,

1065
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 4: mostly all one that he got, like the Anthony Pleasants

1066
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: and the Rick Lyles and the Bobby Hamilton's his guys.

1067
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: I just remember was that Thanksgiving game in two thousand

1068
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: in Detroit. What a miserable game. And to me that

1069
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: was like epitomize like the dearth of talent that that

1070
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: team had.

1071
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: They just struggled.

1072
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 6: They had some salary cap stuff too, right, and two

1073
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 6: thousand and kind of reset the books that year. Maybe

1074
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 6: that was why it took a year, because back then

1075
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 6: the salary cap was.

1076
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: A little it's possive, it was a little tougher.

1077
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was meaningful then because there was much smaller.

1078
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: David Bethlehem This is for Evan. Has anyone done retrospective

1079
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: studies on how various draft rating lists compared to actual

1080
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: PFF ratings after one year two years? Uh?

1081
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there are studies that have been done

1082
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 6: like that, and nothing is ever perfect like drafting. If

1083
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 6: they just took like someone's consensus media board and drafted

1084
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 6: off the consensus media board, there's going to be hits

1085
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 6: and misses, just like there are doing it, you know,

1086
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: a more scientific way. But I will say in recent

1087
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 6: years it's been the teams that have drafted based off consensus,

1088
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 6: and then also the teams that have had good draft

1089
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: grades that are mostly based off of what we all

1090
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 6: thought of the class going in to the draft, that

1091
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 6: have done pretty well for themselves. Not all the time,

1092
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 6: but there's data that suggests that that the consensus board

1093
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 6: is just as good as NFL evaluators, which is kind

1094
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 6: of crazy.

1095
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 4: So I was kind of interested in that email, and

1096
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: I think Evan answered it one way, and I'm wondering

1097
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: if he was looking for it a different way. He

1098
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: kind of said, if anybody has ever done any analysis

1099
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: on the player rankings, you know, the pre draft rankings

1100
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: and then looking at PFF. So in other words, as

1101
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: he's saying, like, so they had Will Campbell as you know,

1102
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: ot one as you kids like to say, right kids,

1103
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: and then you go, you know whatever, you know, let's

1104
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: go Campbell, Membo Banks Simmons Now when we look, say,

1105
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: after two years of PFF rankings, is Campbell the highest

1106
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 4: ranked out of that class?

1107
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1108
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: You know right, that's what I was wondering, if he's,

1109
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 4: if he's, if anyone's ever done it.

1110
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: Two years?

1111
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1112
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as opposed to like teams that follow

1113
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: the board right how closely?

1114
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: Because I think that's a thing too.

1115
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people starting to analyze is

1116
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: there a close they are?

1117
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: I know the pro football focus, is there a college football?

1118
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: Does college?

1119
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah? They do college now, which is actually really helpful,

1120
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 6: but yeah, they there's been studies done by the kids

1121
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 6: these days as politics to call them, Uh you know,

1122
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 6: that suggests that for the most part, the consensus, not

1123
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 6: every individual media guy, but the consensus of one hundred

1124
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 6: different media people tends to be pretty accurate, right, and

1125
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 6: so if you ask the data, you know, That's that's

1126
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 6: why these consensus boards have become so popular is because

1127
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 6: it's pretty good, Like it's not perfect, but it's pretty

1128
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 6: good at judging who the best players are in a

1129
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 6: draft and just looking you know, anecdotally, because someone asked

1130
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: me this on Twitter, so I just kind of looked

1131
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 6: back at some of the draft grades in recent years

1132
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 6: of Patriots right now have the consensus number one draft

1133
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 6: class in the NFL, but how accurate is that really

1134
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 6: to projecting forward? And the last couple of years it's

1135
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 6: you know, been the Jets in twenty twenty two, that

1136
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson Sauce Gardner draft. You know, twenty three was

1137
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh or no Philly sorry, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. So

1138
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 6: a lot of it's like two first round picks or

1139
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 6: two high picks, you know, at the top of the

1140
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 6: draft at help. But for the most part, you know,

1141
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 6: they it's been pretty pretty good. And then the teams

1142
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 6: that draft the most based off the consensus, Philly Baltimore

1143
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 6: like teams like that are some of the teams that

1144
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 6: we all consider the best drafting teams going in the NFL.

1145
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 6: It always seems like Baltimore has some consensus great player

1146
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 6: that you know as their first round pack. It was

1147
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 6: Malchi Starks this year, and he'll probably be just like

1148
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 6: Kyle hamilton'll they'll both be studs.

1149
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1150
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: So I'm not saying it's perfect, but there's a good day.

1151
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: I can tell you definitively. I've spoken to people inside

1152
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 4: the building. They do analysis of the Monks.

1153
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1154
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: You know, when when the draft is over, they get

1155
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: a bunch of different you know, you know, the higher

1156
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: profile guys in some of the lower profile guys, and

1157
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: they figure out who was close and who wasn't, and

1158
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: they lean on that data moving forward.

1159
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 5: I just keep thinking about a player like Josh Simmons, though,

1160
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: who wouldn't have made sense for the Patriots, but could

1161
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 5: end up being the best tackle in the class. And

1162
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 5: then when you look back on it, well, did they

1163
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 5: have the ranking wrong or you know, was.

1164
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: It just special circumstance.

1165
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: Gronk exactly like Gronk everybody loved except for Greg Bdard.

1166
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously I'm not killing all the teams

1167
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: that didn't take Gronk.

1168
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: In the first round. There's an obvious.

1169
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: Reason why Gronk wasn't selected in the first round, you know.

1170
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: So that's that part that has to be part of

1171
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: the equator.

1172
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 6: George Pickens is another one. Like everybody looks back on

1173
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 6: that Taekwon draft and George Pickens. I think Pickens might

1174
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 6: have went to pick after two picks later. It was

1175
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 6: very very clear.

1176
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: Wide receivers right after.

1177
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 6: But at the time, you know, in the moment. Pickens

1178
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 6: had some real concerns about his character and about his makeup,

1179
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 6: and it was you know, it was a young football

1180
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 6: team and a team with the second year quarterback, and

1181
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 6: they just didn't feel comfortable. And I'd say the same

1182
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: thing about Luther Burden, Like Luther Burden might very well

1183
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 6: go on in Chicago and be a hell of a

1184
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 6: football player, but he had concerns coming out of college.

1185
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 6: There was a reason that they passed on Luther Burden

1186
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: and took Treyvon Henderson. It wasn't just because they thought

1187
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 6: he was a better.

1188
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: Player, right Luther. Thinking of Luther Ryan and Atlanta, I'm

1189
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: super happy with the Pagris draft. They did a job

1190
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 2: getting good players at good value. And I can't remember

1191
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: when the national media was this high on the Patriots.

1192
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: My question, Nobe, the last year Belichick was here, Elliott Wolf.

1193
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: Looked like a different person in the media this year

1194
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: compared to last year. Do you think he sticks around

1195
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: after what seems to be a successful draft cycle. I

1196
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: do so. I wanted to bring this up. I mean,

1197
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: he he said that for him, this regime made the

1198
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: process that much easy for him, Like it was just

1199
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: much more organized than last year. So that was Elliot

1200
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: Wolf talking about the effect of the new regime at him.

1201
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: And I've also heard insiders say that Elliott Wolf did

1202
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: an amazing job with this draft that you know, he

1203
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: ran that room. This was this was his draft. You know,

1204
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: we all talked about, oh, you know, Rabel has the

1205
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: final say, I'm told Wolf ran this draft and this

1206
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: was his draft, and so all signs point to him

1207
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 2: going nowhere.

1208
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's the first guy talking to the

1209
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 5: to the prospects right when they were have to you know,

1210
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: first from him to too Rabel and onto mister Kraft.

1211
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think he's here to stay.

1212
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 5: And it seems like from the weekend they talked about

1213
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 5: having some discussion about we want this guy with you know,

1214
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 5: active productive disagreement, which is the next step in this.

1215
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 5: When they all started, they said, you know it's not

1216
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: going all be sunshine and rainbows and'ro can agree on everything.

1217
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 5: So it seems like this group's coming together. You've heard

1218
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 5: it from Cowden and Vrabel. It is a miss a

1219
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 5: mishmash of you know, some different holdover people, people that

1220
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 5: like Ryan Cowden was with the Giants, So you have

1221
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 5: a lot of different pieces coming in, had to expect

1222
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: to take a little time to settle in, but successful draft.

1223
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: That's a good sign.

1224
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: PS from Ryan. Can someone tell Felga to quit complaining

1225
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: about this draft class, especially when he can't even enunciate

1226
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 2: the player's names correctly. I feel like all that guy

1227
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: does is spread pessimism over the team and he will

1228
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: never be happy with what they do. Paul, Yeah, tell

1229
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: them to be accurate.

1230
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 6: That's it, That's all I asked for. He can have

1231
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 6: whatever opinion you want. But when he says, oh, you

1232
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: know they draft a kicker and a long snapper and

1233
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 6: they only had eight picks, well, no, they had eleven picks.

1234
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 6: They didn't have eight picks, you know, Like it just

1235
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 6: things like the difference. Yeah, Like that's a big difference

1236
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 6: when you use a seventh round pick on a long

1237
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 6: snapper and you've already drafted ten guys, Like it's not

1238
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 6: really like you're you're wasting.

1239
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: Such a golden gem.

1240
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 4: And you know me, I can get wound up about

1241
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: it pretty much anything. I just can't lose my mind

1242
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: over like these like sixth and seventh round picks, Like.

1243
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: You like, do I think they should have taken a

1244
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: long snapper. No, but who cares? Like, why are you

1245
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: so upset about the two hundredth pick of the draft?

1246
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 5: Well, you're consistent, Paul, because a lot of people go

1247
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 5: the other way and are like, we got.

1248
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: This guy in the seventh round.

1249
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: Manah, I don't know the little flyer every guy.

1250
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: That's why it was only a little bit tongue in cheek,

1251
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: like when was the last time they were universally applauded,

1252
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: Like Belichick, I'm telling you, year after year after year,

1253
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: would you draft these guys? And it was like hey, hey, hey,

1254
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 4: because Bill took them and they had to be really

1255
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 4: with day with diamonds in the rough on Day three,

1256
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: even though the last ten years of his tenure there

1257
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: weren't too many diamonds on the rough. Coming out of

1258
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: the draft. He was struggling. As Mike, you know, has

1259
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: gone to great links to point out over the years.

1260
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 6: Well you just can't have it both ways, Like you

1261
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 6: can't get on them for drafting a long snapper. But

1262
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 6: then also every six and seventh round pick is meaningless, right,

1263
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 6: Like you have to be consistent.

1264
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 4: Well, that's why that's why I don't care snapper and

1265
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 4: I don't care about six and seventh row.

1266
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 6: But for every time that you know, someone comes in

1267
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 6: here and hypes up a di Mario Douglas getting drafted

1268
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 6: in the sixth round, and you get, oh, it's a

1269
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 6: sixth round pick, Like, what does it matter? And then

1270
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 6: like some of the Mike on Wendy, like some of

1271
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 6: those guys do go on to be decent football players.

1272
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: And that would be my argument he cannot take in

1273
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 4: the long snapper would be that like, yeah, I know

1274
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: it's a one out of ten, one out of twenty,

1275
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: but I'll take that. Like whereas my long snapper, I

1276
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: can just sign. There's a million of them out there.

1277
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 13: Now.

1278
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 4: Again, the kicker, to me is a little different. The

1279
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 4: kicker was a little different. You didn't really have a

1280
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: kicker on the roster. And if you identif find this

1281
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: guy as the best, which as Evan has said, we

1282
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: talked about it in our show that we did before

1283
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: a pre show, everybody had that guy number one. So

1284
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: if you thought he was that much better than everybody else,

1285
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: take him what he had eleven picks, use one of

1286
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 4: the thing and make sure.

1287
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 6: You get tomorrow.

1288
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: Baltimore was probably gonna take you.

1289
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 3: So the only thing the only thing I would worry

1290
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: about again, because you know, I'm contractedly obliated to be concerned.

1291
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 4: He's a kicker from Miami. He's got a kick up here.

1292
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: It's a big difference, that's true.

1293
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 6: It's got a boomer though.

1294
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big difference though in the elements.

1295
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

1296
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: Good one?

1297
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 8: Hey today, good.

1298
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: Question.

1299
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 14: I know it's already been hacked. You bring it, but

1300
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 14: out here I get you well anyway, wide receiver room,

1301
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 14: and he was talking about the undrafted the day sign

1302
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 14: and some of them gave him raised on the receivers

1303
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 14: that they did get so, and I don't think Met

1304
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 14: Collins might be out no besides the original ones, or

1305
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 14: do you think anybody else in the class might just

1306
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 14: step up and show him to eight. I'm here and

1307
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 14: now take it off there.

1308
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Okay, have a good day now you too.

1309
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 6: Yeah. So the receiver he's talking about is Efton Chisholm,

1310
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 6: who they signed from Eastern Washington as an undrafted free agent.

1311
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 6: And I watched a little bit of his tape yesterday

1312
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 6: and he's a McDaniel's jitterbug slot Like this guy is exactly,

1313
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 6: Like it's like shades of like Riley McCarron, right, like

1314
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 6: all over again, great like agility testing at his pro

1315
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 6: day iran a sub seven three cone you know, eightieth

1316
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 6: percentile type agility numbers really quick, not fast, but quick,

1317
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 6: and you know, jitterbuggy and tough to cover in tight spaces.

1318
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 6: Like literally every cliche that you could come up with

1319
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 6: is what Efton Chisholm is like, So you know he's

1320
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 6: he's McDaniel. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that

1321
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 6: Josh McDaniel scouted Afton Chisholm and said, can we side

1322
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 6: this guy?

1323
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: And don't forget once training camp's over, they're gonna have

1324
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: to fill out a practice squad. Yeah, you know, so

1325
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: these guys may not make, you know, wide receivers, they

1326
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: may not make the roster, but you need to have

1327
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: that practice squad too. I just think, how big is

1328
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: it now?

1329
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: Sixteen sixteen Again, when you're desperate, you need to throw

1330
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: a lot at the wall. And that's why I like

1331
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: having a packed depth chart. Doesn't mean any of those

1332
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 5: guys are going to emerge, but maybe the competition will

1333
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 5: be enough that like again, the message to Javon Baker

1334
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 5: is like, dude, you better bring it because if you don't,

1335
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 5: you're going to be out.

1336
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Arizona.

1337
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: Cole.

1338
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: What's up?

1339
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: Cole?

1340
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Hey?

1341
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 15: How you doing? Can you guys hear me? Okay, yeah,

1342
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 15: I'm sorry sport to start off by saying, I second

1343
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 15: that ps about Felder. It's about the millionth power. But anyways,

1344
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 15: about why I called I of the Will Campbell pick

1345
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 15: day one after the draft last year, I was baying,

1346
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 15: I was btt in the table for him, and then

1347
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 15: watching Venerian Lowe and Montre Jacobs last year just solidified

1348
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 15: my opinion on that pick. And then so I got

1349
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 15: a question going into the Gonzo Draft, if I would

1350
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 15: have told you three years straight you would get your cornerstone, corner, quarterback,

1351
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 15: and left tackle. I know that's a little bit fold

1352
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 15: on Will Campbell, but you know, if he is like

1353
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 15: that Jake Matthews type that Evan said, I will sign

1354
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 15: up for that.

1355
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 4: I will sign up for that. If they get three

1356
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: cornerstones and threat drafts. Right now, I'm pretty sure they

1357
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 4: have one of those three.

1358
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with Dotto, And I know

1359
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 16: take that with a grain of salt. Those other picks

1360
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 16: haven't been let's just say the best. But and I

1361
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 16: got one question, then I'll take it off air. When

1362
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 16: can we get harder on the show? I miss him,

1363
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 16: just him his fency humor, picking on Eric. I'll take

1364
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 16: it off air.

1365
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: But who did he say? Who called hardo? Oh? Is

1366
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: that okay? Heart?

1367
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 8: Oh?

1368
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 4: I just you know, because we were talking about the

1369
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: roster and stuff, we should probably just give a little

1370
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: uh the release of the six players yesterday it was

1371
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: it was Jake Andrews, Marcus Harris, Jaquay Jackson. That's Mike's

1372
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 4: favorite because Mike is evidently goes well down the death

1373
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: shot at wide receiving Mike Uh, Titus Leo, Mark Perry,

1374
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: and Giovanni Ricci.

1375
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: So of course they got to get rid of the Italian.

1376
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 6: He's he's like a full back, and they they're signing

1377
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 6: brock LAMPI.

1378
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: I saw, you know the name full back back baby.

1379
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 4: Okay, it's amazing they didn't have to use like a

1380
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 4: fourth round pick on that nice stunner.

1381
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 6: I saw yesterday. You know, they ran a power lead

1382
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 6: and then they ran play action right after off the

1383
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 6: lead action, and I was like, yeah, full back's back.

1384
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 6: There we go.

1385
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: Have you have you watched any of it? Was it

1386
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: lann len Larisson? Is that?

1387
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1388
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 3: A little bit?

1389
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1390
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 6: You know, it's funny because like I compared Chisholm to

1391
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 6: like Ryley McCarron and those guys. This guy's like Danny

1392
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 6: Wood Danny Woodhead, right, Like he's just another one of these.

1393
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 6: Uh you know why bug small school running backs did

1394
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 6: have some pretty good tape against cal So, Like he

1395
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 6: had like one FBS game from last year. I was

1396
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 6: able to get my hands on that he he played

1397
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 6: pretty well in. But it's like all it's too funny,

1398
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 6: Like all of those stereotypes are coming back now that

1399
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 6: Josh is back. It's you know, the Danny Woodhead running back,

1400
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 6: the Ryley McCarron, you know, Austin Carr, Gunner Ol Chefsky

1401
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 6: slot receivers like that. It's all all of those things

1402
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 6: are back.

1403
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: You know how I give you the I played the

1404
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 4: hits of the slot receivers. Evan plays a whole different cast.

1405
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 4: That's how many of those guys that I've had, Yeah,

1406
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: the Austin car and Gunneryl Schevsky.

1407
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy reminded me of so much of like

1408
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 6: Riley McCarran. Like, I was, like, this is a carbon

1409
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 6: copy of Riley McCarron.

1410
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: All right, Uh so we're all gushing about the draft, Trevor,

1411
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: and Missouria is going to bring us back down to earth.

1412
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 3: I think we have a visitor.

1413
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well we'll hold off on reading that email.

1414
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: We've got somebody here, okay, so why don't we bring

1415
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: him in? Hi, come on, hey.

1416
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 7: That guy.

1417
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, bring him in. Open the door.

1418
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: All right, Aaron there you.

1419
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 8: Right, curse right.

1420
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: Nice to meet, and thank you for saying your name

1421
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 2: because I've heard it pronounced about a million ways Kylevon

1422
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: so Calevon.

1423
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 4: I told you don't ever know the name. I told

1424
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 4: you don't trust those pronunciations.

1425
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: I know you're right. Well, welcome, thank you, thanks for

1426
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: joining us. So how's it going so far?

1427
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 8: Fantastic, fantastic. I'm excited to be a part of it.

1428
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: You got some tigers coming in.

1429
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, we're going big with it. I feel like Boston

1430
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 17: has a thing for about your baby. Hell yeah, bring

1431
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 17: them on.

1432
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: In one my l s U.

1433
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 3: I have a lot of them. Have a purple one,

1434
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 3: a grayish one with some yellow color.

1435
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: Big Tiger.

1436
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 8: That's go and do that. Do that.

1437
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: That's a tough gold.

1438
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 8: That's a that's a tough gold.

1439
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you Yellow.

1440
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: So have you had a chance to talk to Campbell

1441
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: at all? And just like you know, Tiger to Tiger, No,

1442
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: I haven't got a chance. I wanted to catch him

1443
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: in the build. I'm sure his phone going crazy.

1444
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's a bunch of contexts and so I definitely

1445
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 17: want to catch him in the building and just obviously

1446
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 17: get good introduced into each other. Obviously, I kept up

1447
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 17: with him through his time and other shoes, so super excited.

1448
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 8: To have him.

1449
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: Did you have any relationship with any of the guys

1450
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: you know? No, not five years.

1451
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to go back and

1452
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 17: get it go back obviously and be with the team

1453
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 17: as much as I wanted to. But I'm super familiar

1454
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 17: with the guys, so I always get good a chance

1455
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 17: to watch the game. So I'm huge fans of everybody

1456
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 17: that's getting chance.

1457
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 3: I know these guys are going to have some more ski.

1458
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 4: I know you'll have scheme related questions, but I want

1459
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 4: to ask you specifically.

1460
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't know yet. They haven't started.

1461
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 6: Okay, I got past.

1462
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 4: Questions real quick though with the l s U stuff,

1463
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 4: because we talked a lot with Will and then he

1464
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: has like the number seven. It's like that playmate thing

1465
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 4: that started with Patrick Peterson. You were eighteen.

1466
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: Isn't that a significant number for LSU two?

1467
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 8: Yes?

1468
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: Can you explain that a little bit?

1469
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 5: No?

1470
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 17: Most definitely, So eighteen I was I was voted on

1471
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 17: upon the team, the team and guy and staff and

1472
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 17: around the building and just it definitely it solidifies and

1473
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 17: it kind of shows and me and another guy, little

1474
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 17: Christian Berry, I was centered.

1475
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 8: We both we shared it that year.

1476
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 17: But it just kind of exemplifies the leadership and the

1477
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 17: character that that the LSU Tigers kind of trying to

1478
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 17: represent and we try to implement. Obviously just going through

1479
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 17: the program. So obviously it was a super super appreciative

1480
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 17: thing and grateful to be able to just receive that.

1481
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 17: Called me off guard a little bit and not saying

1482
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 17: that I didn't feel like I was truly available capable

1483
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 17: of it. But when you think of it, man, it's

1484
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 17: just a great guys. They got a chance to wear

1485
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 17: that and you don't take that, take that, take that

1486
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 17: for granted. So to be able to be a part

1487
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 17: of that history to wear that number just and always

1488
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 17: be ish and Stoneman.

1489
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 8: I'm super grateful to be a part of that.

1490
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 4: I love those traditions on the sucker for those Yeah,

1491
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 4: absolute the college number thing that you know, like William

1492
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 4: McGinnis fifty five with your junior says of those traditions.

1493
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: I got an issue with a duel carter, but he

1494
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: did all right, that's for another that's for another show.

1495
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: He basically said, I shot my shot.

1496
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 8: I heard shot that was.

1497
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 17: That was a full court shot.

1498
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: A good way to put it.

1499
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 6: Paul's being modest by the way. He loved you coming

1500
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 6: out of the draft, and he when we signed you

1501
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 6: as a free agent, Paul is like he finally came

1502
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 6: back around.

1503
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: There.

1504
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 4: He got people making fun of me for being a fanboy.

1505
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 6: I just I did want to ask you about some

1506
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 6: of the early impressions of coach Rable and coach Trell

1507
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 6: Williams and all the guys and everything. What are your

1508
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 6: early impressions since you've been in the building of the

1509
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 6: coaching staff.

1510
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 17: Man, super appreciated to be around coaching staff like this.

1511
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 17: A lot of former players, a lot of guys who

1512
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 17: know the game real well be able to teach you

1513
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 17: way that allows you to implement your own style and

1514
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 17: still get the job done. So obviously, with very well

1515
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 17: being the ex player, a guy who's played my position,

1516
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 17: who's who's one who's who has some success and longevity

1517
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 17: in the league, he understands that the al the job

1518
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 17: can be done in many ways. You know, obviously that

1519
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 17: there's a certain style and identity that we want to

1520
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 17: play with, but obviously there's a technique that there a

1521
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 17: lot of everybody obviously, when it comes to the physical

1522
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 17: skill set and just kind of what you possess and

1523
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 17: kind of how you see the game, you kind of

1524
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 17: just everybody kind of has their own way of going

1525
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 17: about it. So and he allows that, He allows the

1526
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 17: room to kind of just be yourself and kind of

1527
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 17: go out there and play ball. So super pleased to

1528
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 17: to to have that and have that that that longer leash,

1529
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 17: as you may say, to kind of go out there

1530
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 17: and to be dominant.

1531
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 8: And it's been great so far.

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 17: Man, He's been such a huge help him, Coach Williams,

1533
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 17: my coach, coach Smitty just kind of just being there

1534
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 17: step by step. Man, I feel like I'm kind of

1535
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 17: being just that annoying pest a little bit, just asking

1536
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 17: so many questions, just trying to especially the vaibel. I mean,

1537
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 17: you've done it, you know what I'm saying. Like, you've

1538
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 17: done what I'm trying to do. You've been next to

1539
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 17: obviously another great pass rusher itself and kind of just

1540
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 17: being dominant. So you know what it takes to win

1541
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 17: championships and get there. So man, I'm soaking in everything

1542
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 17: about this moment and I love everything that came with it.

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01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 6: I've ever heard that he's so hyper detailed that like

1544
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 6: he'll have something about like your hand placement or your

1545
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 6: footwork or some of minute detail. Has he done anything

1546
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 6: like that with you yet?

1547
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 8: Definitely? Definitely. Yeah.

1548
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 17: So it's just hand placement, like as you're speaking of

1549
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 17: pad level, Like he'll just will be in admitted any

1550
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 17: drill and he saw something that was in special teams

1551
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 17: and he's like, hold on, hold, let me step to

1552
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 17: the side, and kind of just I can't get it

1553
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 17: off my mind. I got to show you. I got

1554
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 17: to make sure you know the right way, and because

1555
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 17: it will be a failure on both our parts. In

1556
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 17: his part, he feels like itself. You know what I'm saying,

1557
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 17: if he don't give us the right technique and the

1558
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 17: right you know what I'm saying, right skill sell or

1559
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 17: the tool bag to go out there.

1560
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 8: And out dominant perform.

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 17: So, Man, he's been super super critical in detailed when

1562
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 17: it comes to the minor things and what you should be. Obviously,

1563
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 17: it starts nowt it starts to so when everythings kind

1564
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 17: of get tough or whatever, we hit our adversity and

1565
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 17: whenever it comes during the season, we just go back

1566
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 17: to this time of the year when we just dig

1567
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 17: into our foundation that we building, our fundamentals and everything

1568
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 17: and take care of yourself from them.

1569
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 5: I want to ask you about last year, I mean

1570
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 5: your most productive year in the league. What kind of

1571
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 5: came together last year for you and how do you

1572
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 5: feel like you can build on it here in New

1573
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 5: England this year?

1574
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:19,879
Speaker 8: Definitely.

1575
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 17: I'm just getting a chance just to take in the

1576
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 17: nuggets that I've been gaining all over the years. Man,

1577
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 17: each I've gotten a chance to play next to a

1578
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 17: pro bowler and Josh Allen, Man I've gotten checks.

1579
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 8: And play too.

1580
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 17: I think it's a future Hall of Famer and Max Crosby.

1581
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 17: So each person that I'm getting a chance to be

1582
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 17: I'm getting great coaches and I'm just taking nuggets. I'm

1583
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 17: putting them all in my toolbox, and I'm just trying

1584
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 17: to figure out which way is my way and that

1585
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 17: can get me to have the success and for personal

1586
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 17: and team success. So last year, getting a chance to

1587
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 17: have that opportunity to go out there and perform it

1588
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 17: definitely helps. Having a dominant pastres on opposite in and

1589
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 17: gain that attention where you have these one on one

1590
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 17: battles and then you just have to go out there

1591
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 17: and just be better than the man across you. And

1592
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 17: I feel like my coaching and my preparation is definitely

1593
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 17: put me in a way of walking out dominate my

1594
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 17: opponent in any one on one matchup. So when it

1595
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 17: came to last year, it was definitely just a sense

1596
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 17: of this man, understand which opportunity is and go produce.

1597
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 8: So I was super excited for it.

1598
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 17: I didn't make sure I didn't take anything anything for granted,

1599
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 17: and I just went out there and tried to give

1600
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 17: everything I had.

1601
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 4: Were the differences in the schemes that you had in

1602
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 4: Jacksonville as opposed to last year.

1603
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, definitely a difference. Last year was a four

1604
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 8: to three defense.

1605
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 17: Jacksonville was a multiple defense, so it was a lot

1606
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 17: of outsiur linebackers kind of like somebody's going somebody's not

1607
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 17: a hybrid. They played out, but I mean even still

1608
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 17: just kind of nowadays, everybody's kind of playing more sub front,

1609
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 17: you know, just kind of getting down to the fidawn front.

1610
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 8: But how it was.

1611
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 17: Just last year in Vegas, It's like, man, there's no

1612
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 17: even thinking about it. You got the best pass rushing

1613
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 17: in the league. They fell in Max Crosby and you

1614
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 17: have another pass rusher and they feel like it's dominant

1615
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 17: as well. They can win the one on ones. Let's

1616
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 17: start with their and that'll erect the game itself, and

1617
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 17: we're kind of figure out everything else on the back end.

1618
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 17: So obviously the team's successful is where we wanted to be.

1619
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 17: But when it comes to I feel like the Pastors

1620
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 17: production that it definitely produced a lot for sure.

1621
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: Do you like coming off the left or right side?

1622
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: What do you prefer?

1623
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 8: I like getting to the quarterback matter, just know where

1624
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 8: I'm at.

1625
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: Okay, off the field. Have you had a chance to

1626
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 2: settle into New England yet? How familiar were you with

1627
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: the area before you got here? And what's your impressions

1628
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: of living in New England so far.

1629
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 17: I'm still justin. I'm still adjusting. I'm trying to figure

1630
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 17: it out. Definitely trying to figure out the weather here.

1631
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 17: I think that's just something I'm just gonna have to

1632
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 17: just accept whatever the day comes with. But then I'm

1633
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 17: still adjusted, just trying to get familiar with the areas

1634
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 17: around and kind of where to be at and not be.

1635
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 17: But everybody's been super nice and definitely accepting here, and

1636
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 17: I'm super appreciative. I think I get a chance to

1637
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 17: go to my first Celtics game today, so I'm looking

1638
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 17: forward to seeing what that atmosphere is like and kind

1639
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 17: of just.

1640
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 3: Don't mess around down.

1641
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 2: Have you watched that Celtics City documentary that's on HBO

1642
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: now didn't get a chance to, Well, if you wanted

1643
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: a good history of the Celtics, I would recommend it.

1644
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to definitely put that on the team.

1645
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: Are you Are you an NBA fan? Yeah?

1646
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm a huge You.

1647
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 4: Would be in the NBA if you weren't playing in

1648
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 4: the NFL. I assume, like all the rest of the players.

1649
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: Since you've never lived here, I'm assuming Celtics. What's who's

1650
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: your team from Houston? So I'm always rocking with the Rockets, man.

1651
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: So we took it up yesterday. But we got a

1652
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: game tomorrow, man, so looking forward to seeing how we

1653
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: come out. Okay, I would have to. I was there.

1654
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 6: You got one of ours an email coaching the thing.

1655
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 6: Who was that sidebar?

1656
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 5: That was?

1657
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 8: Never mind?

1658
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 3: Like three rawlins he was playing for Atlanta.

1659
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: Went, I thought it was Houston. Never mind.

1660
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 8: We got a pololize about that.

1661
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough keeping the dream, that's all.

1662
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, t mac man, come, I'll ask football.

1663
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 3: Drag us down.

1664
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 6: Uh used the double swipe a lot, and I'm just curious,

1665
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 6: you know what, what do you like so much about

1666
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 6: that move? And what's it like? Sack and Patrick Mahomes.

1667
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 17: But I mean, don't it's a it's a great move.

1668
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 17: I think it's an opportunity. They get a chance to

1669
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 17: get your shoulders towards the quarterback and get you to

1670
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 17: see the quarterback. That's the biggest thing part of the

1671
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 17: past shorts and kind of just knowing obviously you're going

1672
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 17: to get somebody who's back towards quarterback. He never knows

1673
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 17: where he's really stepping up, stepping back, moving. So once

1674
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 17: you kind of get those shoulders and those hips turned

1675
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 17: towards the quarterback, and that kind of puts you in

1676
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 17: a great position how you want to go power, go

1677
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 17: outside of still, or kind of take it back inside

1678
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 17: wherever you may go.

1679
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 8: So it gives you a lot of options.

1680
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: For sure.

1681
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 6: I think the Chiefs they signed the tackle and they

1682
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 6: drafted because you kept on, we got it, we gotta

1683
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 6: do something.

1684
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 8: You got to fix that. Yeah, for sure.

1685
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 2: Well that's great, listen. I know you've got other things

1686
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: to do. You're busy, but we really appreciate you coming

1687
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: in and now that you know we're here, anytime you

1688
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: want to stop it.

1689
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm definitely getting a chance to come by here more.

1690
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 17: I do appreciate that we do restaurant.

1691
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 2: Reviews, movie reviews, whatever you want.

1692
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 8: I need the restaurant list, for sure.

1693
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 17: I need to get that kind of start from there

1694
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 17: and give me all the Boston history. I'm starting with

1695
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 17: the what's it called Celtic Celtic City. Yeah, I'm gonna

1696
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 17: start with that. I'm having to maybe catch it on

1697
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 17: the plane ride and kind of see it.

1698
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: It's good. I think it's like eight nine episodes.

1699
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 8: Keep you busy for that's good work. That's good work

1700
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 8: for sure.

1701
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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, thank you, thank you.

1702
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 8: No, I appreciate you guys, thank you all so much.

1703
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in.

1704
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you.

1705
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: There's the door my food.

1706
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 6: All right, I don't give.

1707
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 5: Keep your playbook away from them.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you all right. Kalavon, Kalavon, Kalavon, Chason,

1709
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: thank you for coming in. We're going to take a break.

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Speaker 19: at fourteen fifty Is it FedEx dot com slash one

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Speaker 19: rate for details? Exclusions apply?

1745
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 8: What's going on? How y'all doing?

1746
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 13: First off, for any questions, I just want to, you know,

1747
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 13: say a special thank you to the Crafts, the entire

1748
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 13: Patriots coaching staff. It's a complete honor and privilege to

1749
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 13: represent this organization. I'm super excited to be a part

1750
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 13: of this and I'm looking forward to what the future holds.

1751
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 13: And Wing open up with some questions.

1752
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 3: Well, I quote very passionately sorry about that night. Last night.

1753
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 10: You spoke very passionately about a conversation you had with

1754
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 10: Elliott Wolfe in week five of last year where you

1755
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 10: said New England is where I want to go to.

1756
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 10: New England is where I want to play. What was

1757
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 10: the spark maybe behind that passion? And given the fact

1758
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 10: that there's a whole new coaching staff here, I don't

1759
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 10: think Drake had even played at that point. What caused

1760
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 10: you to think that way? And I guess that is

1761
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 10: this the culmination of that conversation?

1762
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you know, the biggest thing for me

1763
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,919
Speaker 13: was I wanted to play for an organization that had history,

1764
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 13: that cared, that wants to win. That's the thing for me.

1765
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 13: I want to come in and I want to win,

1766
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 13: and I want to do whatever it takes to help

1767
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 13: the team win. And you know, Drake is a heck

1768
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 13: of a player. I'm super excited to, you know, build

1769
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 13: our relationship. Coach Brabele is a guy that I want

1770
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 13: to play for. This is an organization, you know, the

1771
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 13: proof is in the pudding with this place, and that's

1772
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 13: something that I want to be a part of. So

1773
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 13: for me to be able to represent you know, this

1774
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 13: organization where that logo on the side of my helmet

1775
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 13: and on the front of my jersey, it's everything I

1776
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 13: could ever ask for.

1777
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 20: You go ah, hey, well over here, welcome to New England.

1778
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 20: Congratulations and getting drafted. Coach Rabel told us yesterday about

1779
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 20: your workout. You know, we know we had the blocking

1780
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 20: pad if you put them on the ground. Setting that aside,

1781
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 20: he'd also expressed he could tell in your eyes you

1782
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 20: made a point that day to get drafted number four overall.

1783
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 20: Can you provide some more detail what that visit and

1784
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 20: workout was like you did to obviously deliver yourself as

1785
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 20: a number four pick.

1786
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 13: Yeah. I mean for me, it was just coming out

1787
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 13: there and you know, giving them everything that they flew

1788
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 13: down there to get, showing how intent I was, how

1789
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 13: coachable I can be, and just really having all lives

1790
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 13: on what they wanted to see whatever they wanted to see,

1791
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 13: I was willing to do no matter what it was,

1792
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 13: and that's something that I just wanted them to know

1793
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 13: because I'm going to do whatever they asked me to

1794
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 13: do to help this team win in any way that

1795
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 13: I can.

1796
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: Well.

1797
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 21: Congratulations, Welcome to New England. Mike Rabele was saying yesterday that,

1798
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 21: you know, sounds like you're probably going to play left

1799
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 21: tackle here at least give you that opportunity. What does

1800
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 21: that mean to you and how important is that to

1801
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 21: you to play left tackle?

1802
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's a pretty cool opportunity to have.

1803
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 13: You know, I'm just super thankful for them giving me

1804
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 13: this opportunity, to them believing in me. I'm super excited

1805
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 13: for what the future holds here and I really just

1806
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 13: can't wait to get back out here after today and get.

1807
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 8: Back to work.

1808
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 22: Hi Will, congratulations on getting drafted. I'm just curious. I

1809
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 22: know you were number sixty six at LSU and it

1810
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 22: seems like you're gonna wear that here as well. Just

1811
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 22: what's the significance of that number for you?

1812
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's just something I started wearing my

1813
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 13: freshman year in high school. That number is going with

1814
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 13: me as I've grown as a player and I continue

1815
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 13: to grow as a player. So I'm just super thankful

1816
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 13: that Wes was able to, you know, let me wear

1817
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 13: that and then it all just worked out. But yeah,

1818
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 13: I'm just looking forward to.

1819
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 23: It real nice to meet you. Congratulations. What has today

1820
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 23: been like for you? What have you been doing? You know,

1821
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 23: you got on the plane, you came here, what did

1822
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 23: you do with the ownership group? And what have you

1823
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 23: done since you've gotten here to Foxborough?

1824
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean we flew in this morning, had some

1825
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 13: breakfast things like that. It's just been really everybody meeting

1826
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 13: my family. You know, we're out of the you know,

1827
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 13: it's that interview process now it's you know, it's over.

1828
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 13: So now it's all about, you know, the next step

1829
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 13: and that's us getting ready to go play this coming

1830
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 13: up season and you know, just being up here, you know,

1831
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 13: still building a relationship with all the coaches and things

1832
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 13: like that, meeting some of the guys. Uh So, yeah,

1833
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 13: that's really what Canday has consisted of.

1834
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 24: Hey, well, congratulations, welcome to New England.

1835
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 23: I'm curious what does it make for you working with

1836
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 23: Duke manny Weather.

1837
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: I know you guys have been doing some stuff together.

1838
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: And how do you feel like he's helped you advance

1839
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: your game in the time that you have been together.

1840
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 13: Uh, yeah, for sure. Duke is the best I think

1841
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 13: when it comes you know, offensive line training. You know,

1842
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 13: the guys that he trained speech for themselves.

1843
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 8: I think.

1844
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 13: You know this past season he trained eight Pro bowlers,

1845
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 13: So you know, that's something that I want to be

1846
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 13: a part of, you know, and he's very you know,

1847
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 13: hands on. That's what I like.

1848
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,480
Speaker 8: That's what I like about coach Rabel.

1849
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 13: Too, And so for me to be able to go

1850
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 13: and work with him, I had the opportunity whenever I

1851
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 13: was in college, and I knew that after the you know,

1852
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 13: those two days they're training with him, that that's where

1853
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 13: I was going to be as long as I'm playing, you, sir,

1854
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 13: I will congratulations.

1855
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 23: I'm just curious as you walked in today, your first

1856
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 23: thoughts of Jillette Stadium.

1857
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:16,839
Speaker 8: That's awesome.

1858
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 13: You know, whenever I came here for my thirty visit

1859
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 13: right after the NFL Combine, you know, I walked in

1860
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 13: here and came in right over there.

1861
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 11: Uh.

1862
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 13: You know, whenever you come up here, you always see

1863
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 13: it on TV and all the history, you know that

1864
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 13: comes with this stadium. For me to be able to,

1865
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 13: you know, put that jersey on and run out of

1866
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 13: that tunnel here coming up soon is going to be

1867
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 13: pretty special.

1868
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 3: Well, welcome to New England.

1869
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 24: Just wondering Drake May posted last night on on X

1870
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 24: he said love this guy already after some of your

1871
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 24: comments last night, Just two questions. Have you had the

1872
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 24: opportunity to speak with Drake May and just generally your

1873
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 24: reaction to his comments.

1874
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 13: Last Yeah, I mean that's my quarterback, so I'm just

1875
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 13: super excited to continue to build the relationship with him,

1876
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 13: get to know each other as People's something I'm looking

1877
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 13: forward to. I'm a quarterback guy. I care about him

1878
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 13: a lot off the field and on the field. And yeah,

1879
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 13: we were able to talk. He met my family, so

1880
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 13: that was pretty cool. We just talked for a little bit.

1881
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 13: He had to do some stuff and things like that

1882
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 13: and we had stuff to do. But you know, it

1883
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 13: was short and sweet. But you know that relationship will

1884
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 13: continue to grow, you know, as more as I'm up here.

1885
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: Hi, Well we'll come to New England.

1886
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 21: I'm just wondering if you have a talk to Josh

1887
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 21: McDaniels and how do you see yourself faking his offensive?

1888
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1889
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 13: I was able to talk to, you know, coach McDaniels

1890
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 13: whenever I was up here on my thirty visit, and

1891
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 13: you know, he's been here for so long. I mean,

1892
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 13: it's just an honor to play for him. He's coached

1893
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 13: a lot of good offenses, you know, in his years here,

1894
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 13: and I'm just super excited to get to work with him.

1895
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 13: I'm gonna do whatever you ask of me, and I'm

1896
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 13: just really honored to be able to play for him.

1897
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1898
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 6: History, you know, when we go to Ford Field to

1899
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 6: play the Lions. Yeah, and they do that pregame show.

1900
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 24: There's that kid who was like in his early thirties

1901
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 24: maybe at most at most, and.

1902
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, everybody, welcome to Ford Field. We're gonna

1903
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 3: be talking about the dry Lions that.

1904
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,879
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about the Ford travel Yeah, Like why.

1905
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: Do they do that?

1906
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 3: Like why did that become a thing?

1907
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 2: It's always been that way.

1908
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: Hi, everybody's Beth Mullions in the Angele's Chargers.

1909
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: But it lets me go to bed of the Bride.

1910
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 7: And it's more that it looks a little cold today.

1911
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: That was like a mix voice and Harry carry right,

1912
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 3: I would pay you.

1913
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 19: One hundred dollars to do the rest of the show

1914
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 19: just like that.

1915
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: I love that's pretty that's what she said. That's another

1916
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 2: great moment from all right back here on Patriots on

1917
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 2: Phil to Klevan Chasing joining us.

1918
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: No, I think that's it.

1919
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 6: I think no, I think he got it.

1920
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: I think I don't know what what he what should

1921
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: have said?

1922
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: That's what he said, he did.

1923
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: He's a cale, he said.

1924
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 2: It's Caleb.

1925
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 5: We could go back WorldWind the tape of what it's like.

1926
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 6: We have the tapers.

1927
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: Chason came in.

1928
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: Thank you to Chase on for coming in. But No,

1929
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: that was good to see him. First time I've talked

1930
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: to him.

1931
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 6: First time, we'd Yeah, first time any of us have talked.

1932
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know I would thought you were going

1933
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: to be more excited.

1934
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: I was mad at him.

1935
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: He's an edge guy.

1936
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 3: No, I was excited now that any noises an edge guy.

1937
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: He's That's why I asked.

1938
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Him about having a good year last year. You know,

1939
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: it seemed to come together a little bit.

1940
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I give him a lot of credit for

1941
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 5: kind of tip of the cap.

1942
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: Max Crosby on the other side of rushing. It does

1943
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: make things a.

1944
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 5: Little bit easier when you're going across from that guy.

1945
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 5: But but now it's pressed with him, and yeah, I

1946
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 5: mean they need him this year. Hopefully he can build

1947
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 5: on what he did last year.

1948
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 3: Energy.

1949
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 4: I think it just is another example of sort of

1950
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 4: changing things over and trying to create a different culture

1951
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 4: than what they had.

1952
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 2: You can hear it.

1953
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 4: You can hear the enthusiasm and the energy in his voice.

1954
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 4: Now that doesn't mean anything, I know for you get

1955
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 4: that scoffing. Look, if you can't play, he can't play, right.

1956
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 4: He's going to have to produce on the field, right.

1957
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 4: But I just I kind of like the vibe of

1958
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 4: these guys that are coming in to talk to us,

1959
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 4: some of them we haven't ever met before.

1960
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 5: I like the vibe and see why he would want

1961
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 5: to be here because there's tons of opportunity for him.

1962
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 5: I mean, if he wants to build on that year,

1963
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 5: if it all wants to click for him, and I

1964
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 5: guess this year six, I guess you know he's gonna

1965
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 5: have the opportunity.

1966
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 6: To signed a one year deal too, so he might

1967
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 6: hit the market again next offseason if he has a

1968
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 6: good year here and then he had one of his

1969
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 6: very years last year. Then the Zach Patrick mahomes a

1970
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 6: couple of times.

1971
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: It looks like your people are going to have a

1972
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: tough time figuring out who the good Guy of the

1973
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 2: Year award is. Oh yeah, sounds like we've got a

1974
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: lot of good guys.

1975
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 6: Yes, we have a lot of a lot of good guys.

1976
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 6: That's true in some uh, you know, good guys that

1977
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 6: have now departed so like they're out of the running

1978
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 6: for the good Guy Award. They're still good guys, they're

1979
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 6: just not lost three really guys.

1980
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 2: The media does an annual good Guy award, the guy who.

1981
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 6: Maybe this year will get you know, ahead of time.

1982
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 6: I will find out five minutes before.

1983
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: It's all right, what are you gonna do?

1984
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 2: Spiing Fresno says Paul is now responsible for elaborating on

1985
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: what a tough gold looks like? Is it mustard yellow?

1986
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: Has the gold worn down with time and use? Maybe

1987
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 2: light is refracted differently now that Paul's clothing rests more

1988
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: vertically than horizontally. As Linda Richmond would say, talk amongst you,

1989
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: that's yellow. He snapped, Oh no, he corrected me quickly,

1990
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true, L s U.

1991
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 8: Gold.

1992
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 6: It is funny, like those.

1993
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 3: Are the types of make up play Terry Clinton, what

1994
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: are we doing a play on ball?

1995
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what you're talking about.

1996
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 3: Just threw a showing Aaron Glenn highways on on NFL network.

1997
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 6: You know, Aaron Glenn was the coach of the Jets,

1998
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 6: and I didn't know that.

1999
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was true or not, but

2000
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: it is.

2001
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,839
Speaker 4: Hates everybody and everything in the league, especially the seventy Steelers.

2002
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, everybody and everything.

2003
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 6: Way to get me started on the seventy Steiers. I

2004
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 6: heard the ball boy got into the Pro Football Hall

2005
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 6: of Fame on the seventies Steelers.

2006
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: That's true.

2007
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 6: You know us we're we're trying to you know, the

2008
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 6: Patriots dynasty. It's like trying to pull teeth. But you know,

2009
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 6: I heard the third string long snapper and the seventy

2010
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 6: Steelers in the Pro Football Fame and the.

2011
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: Water blay on the Steelers had like a six gallon jug.

2012
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: He was just walking down with one armhold.

2013
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: He's got a bust and can You're right there was

2014
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: too much uh, too many Steelers got in at that time.

2015
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

2016
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 3: Would you care to elaborate, No, I just think there

2017
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: was which one, A lot of all of them, A

2018
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 3: lot of them. That's what I was getting at all

2019
01:27:59,720 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: of them.

2020
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 2: Not even.

2021
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 3: A great player I.

2022
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: Would shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

2023
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 6: Lin Swans.

2024
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 3: I think Stalwart has a better case than Swan.

2025
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Well, then they both shouldn't be.

2026
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: I think Star Wars should be like.

2027
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 5: The classic one of the tastic guys that should like

2028
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 5: the people say it should.

2029
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 6: And it's also different, like a Julian Edelman.

2030
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 4: It's like a very different wow, wow, wow, very different

2031
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 4: era of football. They didn't throw it as much. Their

2032
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 4: numbers would be dwarfed by guys that will even won't

2033
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 4: ever sniff the Hall of Fame. Now those two, but

2034
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 4: I mean Jack Lambert, I didn't say anything about Terry Bradshaw,

2035
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 4: Like those guys aren't Hall of Famer.

2036
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: Reno from Knoxville, Tennessee. I haven't been this static about

2037
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 2: the draft class since Chandler Jones High Tower. I'm really

2038
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: happy we got Campbell. I can't decide if I like

2039
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: Henderson or Williams. Pick more. If we can hit on

2040
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: three or four of these picks, that means we're headed

2041
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: in the right direction, and I'll be so full of

2042
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: joy and hope. Also, you all were great over the weekend.

2043
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 2: I didn't listen live because I love watching it on TV,

2044
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: but I listened the next day and so I could

2045
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: listen to your reactions. Keep up the great work. Well,

2046
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: thank you.

2047
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 4: I don't care with the I don't care when you listen,

2048
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 4: just so you get three or four guys that turn

2049
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 4: out to be frontline players.

2050
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 3: That's how you that's how you rebuilt quickly.

2051
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 6: I feel like the guy that doesn't get mentioned because

2052
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 6: of the position that might have the cleanest path besides

2053
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 6: Will Campbell is Jared Wilson. Like Jared Wilson, for most

2054
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 6: people believe that Jared Wilson is going to be a

2055
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 6: really good starting center in the NFL. Now it's a

2056
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 6: center versus hitting on a wide receiver. I understand that.

2057
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 6: But if there's a guy other than Will Campbell who

2058
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 6: I feel like is going to be a starter in

2059
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 6: this league for a decent amount of time, it's going

2060
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 6: to be Jared Wilson. So don't don't sleep on him either.

2061
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 6: I feel like he's absolutely Yeah. They talk a lot

2062
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 6: about the skill players, but not so much about center.

2063
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 5: I mean, what are some of the good h petitions

2064
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 5: position competitions. Left guard feels wide open. Center maybe not

2065
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 5: wide open, but Brad Berry is there as a placeholder.

2066
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 3: Roles aid receiver, Yeah, roles that receiver is a good

2067
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 3: way to put it.

2068
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: A little bit of roles at running back, but not

2069
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: so much.

2070
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 5: Tight ends pretty much set, you know, defensive front probably

2071
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 5: pretty much set, just because you have a handful of

2072
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 5: guys that are the guys.

2073
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: Slot corner maybe that's a that's a question.

2074
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 6: Corner corner.

2075
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 4: That extra safety, I don't know if if that's going

2076
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: to be, you know, if they'll have like four corners

2077
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 4: and two safeties or if they need you know, Jalen

2078
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 4: Hawkins or Craig Woodson or whoever.

2079
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 5: Else another kicker competition this summer. I kind of enjoy those.

2080
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just adds a little bit of flavor

2081
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 5: to the very end.

2082
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 4: Ink wasted on that every year founds me. I mean,

2083
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 4: I I write it every day. I right the wrap

2084
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 4: up of the field goal kicking results every day, and

2085
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 4: so I do it too. I'm guilty.

2086
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 2: I wonder everybody else, I wonder how practice will look

2087
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: compared to past years, because we sort of like last

2088
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: year was pretty similar to you know the structure of it,

2089
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 2: but I.

2090
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 4: Last year was a noticeable difference in how long it

2091
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 4: took them to start practicing. It seemed like they were

2092
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 4: on the field for like somewhere between forty five minutes

2093
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 4: and an hour and fifteen minutes with.

2094
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 3: Just dropped throughs and stretching and drills before they actually practiced.

2095
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: Seven on seven or eleven on eleven. Yeah, so I

2096
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 2: wonder how Vrabel will do it this year.

2097
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely look at the back of cornerback competition.

2098
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 6: You know, you have Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden, Marcella's Dial, Uh,

2099
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 6: you know those guys, And I was kind of reconfiguring, uh,

2100
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 6: you know, the depth chart and the roster last night.

2101
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 6: I was looking at that and it's like, all right,

2102
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 6: you feel really good about Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis obviously,

2103
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 6: but the depth behind that, you know, someone's going to

2104
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 6: have to kind of step up and be that third corner,

2105
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 6: you know, because you assume Marcus Jones will probably play

2106
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 6: a lot in the slot. So you know who's is

2107
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 6: it Austin, is it Bolden? Is it Dial? Is it

2108
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 6: when we're not thinking about it's it's a little thin there.

2109
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: If I had even I mean, maybe he's in the

2110
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: next Yeah, probably a little high for him.

2111
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: But Iowa Tim writes in there was not any pick

2112
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 2: where it said what the crap are they doing? All

2113
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: the way to the end, I got it. It made sense,

2114
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 2: getting what is needed today and tomorrow. Notice they are

2115
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 2: cleaning house already. A bunch of guys gone. Yeah.

2116
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 5: Do you guys remember off the top of your head

2117
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 5: any Belichick drafts that made no sense at the time,

2118
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 5: and then between a year to two later you were like, oh,

2119
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 5: now I get what he's going for, because I honestly don't.

2120
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't either.

2121
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 4: I mean I can think of a lot of guys,

2122
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 4: you know, and everybody would make fun of us because

2123
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 4: Fred was part of this too, Like we would sit

2124
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 4: there and say, Duke Dawson, you know, Juwan Williams. I

2125
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 4: can remember a lot of those kinds of picks that

2126
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 4: raised our eyebrows and didn't pan out ras I Dowling,

2127
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 4: you know, like what like that seemed like three rounds early?

2128
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,799
Speaker 4: You know, I think a twenty two drift maybe.

2129
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 3: Like dron Harmon.

2130
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 4: Doron Harmon's a guy that I think that we all

2131
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 4: were like that seems a little early for him, and

2132
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 4: he turned out to have, you know, a pretty solid career.

2133
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he'd be an example of that.

2134
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, seems more and more of that as he got

2135
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 5: into the twenty tens. I mean Fred mentioned Rossie Dowling

2136
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 5: twenty eleven.

2137
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 4: I think, yes, absolutely, And I say this all the time.

2138
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 4: There's a I think a revisionist history with the Devin

2139
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 4: mccordy pick that you know, and I saw it actually

2140
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 4: repeated recently as this pre draft period came up. Devin

2141
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 4: mccordy was scheduled to be a late first early second

2142
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 4: round pick. His profile talked about how he would be

2143
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 4: effective on all four downs, and people glombed onto that

2144
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 4: last part of me like they drafted a special team.

2145
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,560
Speaker 4: No one really said that, but it was kind of

2146
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 4: like a mocking punchline, and then all of a sudden,

2147
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 4: it was like building it again.

2148
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Well, I like everybody did question the pick.

2149
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 4: They did, but not where he was taken, like people

2150
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 4: questioned the Jordan Richard's pick because it was five rounds

2151
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 4: before everybody else thought he was going to go. Devin

2152
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 4: mccordy went when exactly where he was supposed.

2153
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 2: That might be true. I mean, it's the same with

2154
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger. People were like, oh, but he was scheduled

2155
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: to go where he went. But I do remember, guarantee

2156
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: you they got an A on the draft. I do guarantee.

2157
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 2: I do remember at the time people questioning the mccordy pick.

2158
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 2: I remember, he's not really good at anything. He's not

2159
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 2: good enough at anything to be a first round pick,

2160
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 2: is what I heard.

2161
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 3: I don't remember hearing.

2162
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 10: I do.

2163
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 4: I remember people questioning the pick because they wanted somebody

2164
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 4: else that's different. But like Jordan Richards, Tavon, Wilson, Strange,

2165
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 4: Cole Strange, these are guys that were drafted and everybody said, like,

2166
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 4: what are we doing? Though everybody else has these guys

2167
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 4: as day three guys, and we're taking him early day two.

2168
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 4: That I remember, I mean mccordy, I don't. I remember

2169
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 4: people not necessarily loving the mccordy pick. Fred's right about that,

2170
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 4: but not like, what are we doing? We picked a

2171
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 4: third three guy in the first round, like I don't

2172
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 4: remember people doing.

2173
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Vohmer was questioned he was a second round pick out

2174
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: of Houston.

2175
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 4: Volmer was definitely questioned he didn't. He wasn't invited to

2176
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 4: the combine. He had the back problems. Uh, they thought

2177
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 4: he was a project. I remember he was asked specifically

2178
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Speaker 4: in the post draft press Carmence. Bill was asked, if

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Speaker 4: you know, is this guy kind of a project for

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Speaker 4: round two? And Bill got his back up. No, it's

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01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 4: not a project.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm just kind of flying off

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Speaker 5: the cuff, but it seems like when you look at Bill,

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Speaker 5: some of his best performances weren't necessarily pulling performances out

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Speaker 5: of players he drafted, like we're talking about. It was

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Speaker 5: more pulling those performances out I would say, like free

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Speaker 5: agents and guys that were acquired that way, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, like like a sterling More type, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like like just some of those years when he knew

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the horses.

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Speaker 5: It was never that, Oh, now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: Tevon Austin has stepped up and played well. It was

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Speaker 5: you know when they did out guys step up and

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Speaker 5: play well.

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Speaker 1: I felt like, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I feel about every team has those though.

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Speaker 4: They would they would find they would find some guys

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Speaker 4: on the scrap heap, and I think Bill would identify

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Speaker 4: a specific skill set that he had that would work

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Speaker 4: for him, you know, like Kyle Van Noy as an example.

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Speaker 4: You know that that came over a key Mayers did it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't a great player, but I think

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01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 4: Bill asked something very specific out of him that he

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01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 4: could do for sure, and he contributed. You know, you

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01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 4: know Mark Anderson the year that he came in and

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01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:22,799
Speaker 4: had like ten sacks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, is a good one that I remember Kyle

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01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 6: Van noy is saying, you know, Detroit was asking me

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Speaker 6: to do ABC. Bill grabbed me and asked me to

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01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,560
Speaker 6: do X y Z, and I was better at X

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01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 6: y Z, and so it automatically just.

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Speaker 4: I think he's good at that. I think that was Bill,

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01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 4: And I think Bill was one of those guys that

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Speaker 4: could sort of better extrapolate from guys that were in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. Yeah, those skills transit.

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01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: There's a few like Steven Neil for example, he did

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01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: a good job at like identifying the skills required.

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01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 4: I give that Dante okay, but only because he identified

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01:36:58,320 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 4: a skill set and put him on the defensive line.

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01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, it was Dante

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01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: that said, you know, let me work with them, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,799
Speaker 2: And then and then of course Edelman in the seventh

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01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 2: round picking a quarterback from Kent and knowing he's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be a quarterback, but he.

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Speaker 4: Can pay what you're gonna do. He can play football,

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01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 4: you know, and you don't tell anybody what position you're playing.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, if you're excited about if you're excited about

2230
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: the Patriots draft, and you'd think ever thought about working

2231
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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, you can you can uh go to

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01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 2: the Craft group dot com slash careers and apply today

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01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 2: for seasonal positions in the food and beverage, parking and

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01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 2: security divisions. That means, you know, you could be working

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01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: on game days here and and uh you know, be

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01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 2: part of the actions. So again, if you looking for

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01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 2: some extra cash, go to the craftgroup dot com slash careers,

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Speaker 2: apply today, and you know, see what they have available.

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Speaker 2: I think they have times where you can come down

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Speaker 2: to the stadium and get that process going.

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Speaker 1: How old do you have to be, Fred, you know,

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01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I think eighteen.

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01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't even getting kids down here. I think

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01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,919
Speaker 6: Bart was younger. I think he might be sixteen.

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01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 2: Was he the bartender at that time?

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01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 6: No, because he's too young to sell alcohol. They had

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01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 6: him selling like cracker jack, so really yeah, yeah, he

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01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 6: used to do that at the stadium.

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Speaker 2: You mean like at a concession booth.

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Speaker 21: No, he was.

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Speaker 6: Hawker. Yeah, yeah, you know, he grew up in Sharon,

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01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 6: so he grew up right down there.

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Speaker 2: So like, would he get into arguments with people like

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Speaker 2: you know that? I don't know, but you don't really

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Speaker 2: don't want to combine pepsi with that, you want to

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Speaker 2: get a pepsi with this.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure he, you know, cheated on a bunch of

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01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 6: occasions and actually was watching the game instead of selling.

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01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 2: I thought, you're going to start eating the food he

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01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 2: was trying to.

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Speaker 6: I mean maybe that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you do Patriots Schames?

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Speaker 6: He were Patriots Schames or yeah? No, I think I

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01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 6: think a little bit of both. Yeah. Wow, he's told

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01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 6: the story before. On When I read that ad the

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01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 6: first time, I was like, this is you Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So his career is going downhill?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Iggy Iggy from Spain Madrid writes in best draft coverage ever,

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01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 2: Good Chemistry and the Crew. The reference that Paul made

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01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,679
Speaker 2: to Rivers and tides maybe laugh epic discussion onto the draft.

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01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 2: I like it because it is logical. Needed a left tackle,

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01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 2: drafted one, needed help it, half back, wide receiver, drafted

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01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 2: two players. Of course, you never know. If the guys

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01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 2: can't play, this would be a horrible draft. But doing

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01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 2: logical things normally bring better results than doing illogical ones

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01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 2: like drafting cold strange in the first round. I also

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01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 2: noticed a lot of people in the war room. Was

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Speaker 2: it more crowded in the Belichick male era or is

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01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 2: this a wrong impression? I think it was more crowd

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01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 2: think it was a little bit more now now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: from what I heard, I never sort of looked to me,

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01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I never go down. But from the people who were

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01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 2: there every year, they said they probably were more people there.

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Speaker 4: So Iggy's comment, I would have to say, is that's

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Speaker 4: a paraphrasing of the comment that I've received the most.

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Speaker 4: I would say in the two or three days, people

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Speaker 4: that are asking me, you know, friends on the street, whatever,

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01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 4: people on Twitter, you know, what do you think logical?

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Speaker 3: I've heard that word a lot.

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Speaker 4: The picks made sense to people, and Iggy's right, you know,

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Speaker 4: it made sense to draft a guard when you didn't

2293
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 4: have a guard you needed to plug one in, but

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Speaker 4: it wasn't the.

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Speaker 2: Right guy well, and it wasn't the right place, right. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: It can all make sense and not work. But I

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01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 4: think that that's probably the comment that I've heard the

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01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 4: most was I get it. These picks all made sense

2299
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 4: to me. They didn't reach, they stuck to the board.

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01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 4: They took positions of need that were deep positions of talent,

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01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 4: and I think people are excited about that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's to me too, it's more than just

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01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:56,480
Speaker 1: the positions.

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Speaker 5: It's the type and that, like I've been saying the

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01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 5: whole time, like I want to fast wide receiver, Like

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01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 5: we talked a lot about types of wide receivers, and

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01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 5: not only did they add the explosive wide receiver, but

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Speaker 5: they add an explosive.

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Speaker 1: Running back too.

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Speaker 5: So it's the traits to me too, that are really

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01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 5: checking the boxes that I feel like they needed to check.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know, Elliott Wolf talked about or being more organized,

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01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 6: and some people took that certain ways, and like, I

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01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 6: just feel like it's a nice mix of personalities that

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01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 6: they have right now, of like guys like Rabel and

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01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 6: guys like Stretch, who's more of like administrative football and

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01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,600
Speaker 6: Ryan Cowden with his experience, it just it seemed like

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01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 6: it helped Elliott Wolf kind of settle things down in

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Speaker 6: terms of, you know, delegating and you know, really being

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Speaker 6: able to trust people to help him, be able to

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Speaker 6: kind of see from the thirty thousand foot view, because

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Speaker 6: I think he's always been, at his heart a scout

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01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 6: and I think Elliot Wolf does have an eye for talent,

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Speaker 6: but maybe needed some help with like sort of you know,

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Speaker 6: organizing the process. And I think that that's where a

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01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 6: lot of these guys that they've added to the to

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Speaker 6: the room now, you know, it seemed like it was

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Speaker 6: really the those guys in the Loonzo Highsmith that we're

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Speaker 6: doing the real heavy lifting for the draft, and it

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Speaker 6: seemed just so much more fluid and organized with that group.

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Speaker 3: I think very what I heard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Abele just seems to have a vision of what

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01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 5: he wants, and I think that makes it just easier

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01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 5: on everybody because you know what you're looking for, you

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01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 5: have your marching orders, you know which guys should be

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01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 5: in and what should be out. And I think it

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Speaker 5: seems like he's communicating that clearly to the staff and

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Speaker 5: that's what you get it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Sean and Vancouver on the hotline. What's up Sean.

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Speaker 16: Hey, I'm just gonna take you up baker phone. Trying

2342
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 16: to get a couple of things. So when people are

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01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 16: talking about this draft, uh in glowing terms. You know,

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01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 16: you're getting these amazing ratings from from the media. Uh,

2345
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 16: not to say that this is going to be what happens.

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01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 15: We don't know.

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01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 16: We have to wait and see how to play. So

2348
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 16: but this is what I wanted to see, something that

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01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 16: aligns more with the consensus, big bore. And that's why

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01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 16: they're getting the grapes they're getting because the players that

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01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 16: they selected were ones that are falling to them, the

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01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 16: ones that they expect, not the head scratchers that been

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01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 16: made in the past. So it's more like drafts that

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01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 16: the Eagles and Ravens have been doing, going along that

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01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 16: kind of approach. Now, the other thing I want to

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01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 16: say is like when I called in on Thursday and

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Speaker 16: I mentioned the fullback, what I meant wasn't that we're

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Speaker 16: going to go back to Dublin and running the fullback

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01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 16: on most of our basic plays. I meant more like,

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01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 16: you know, six to ten plays a game, more like

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01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 16: a Tory Carter because one area the Patriots really needed

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01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 16: help in last year was in short yardage and maybe

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01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 16: this could also help Drake, may do some more play

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01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 16: action or just quarterbacks seeking and stuff like that, even

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01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 16: when you have the fullback in there. So that's what

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01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 16: I was trying to get at, that they were going

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01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 16: to take up undrafted free a.

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Speaker 8: And they still.

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Speaker 16: I know, Devan, you were kind of time and cheek,

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01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 16: but yeah, I think that that might be important to

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01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 16: player just for a two plays.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Sean.

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Speaker 6: I'm an advocate for the fullback. I love fullbacks. I

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01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 6: think they bring a lot of schematic advantages to not

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01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 6: just a run game, but also a play action pass

2376
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 6: offense as well. And nowadays you see different formations where

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01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 6: the quarterback is in the gun or in the pistol

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01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 6: and they still have an offset lead blocker in the

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Speaker 6: full back and you call it a sidecar formation, and

2380
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 6: like you can do that now or you're not under center.

2381
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 6: But the ability to have the full back go in

2382
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,640
Speaker 6: either direction and add blocks onto either side of the

2383
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 6: formation with that unpredictability, and then to sequence that together

2384
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 6: with the same look. But it's play action, you know,

2385
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 6: those things can be really difficult to decipher for defenses,

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01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 6: so I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's worth having a full back for

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01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 2: five or six plays a game.

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Speaker 6: I think a full back, you know, certainly for a

2390
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 6: short yardage like that could be worth. But the teams

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01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 6: that that implement a full back and use it to

2392
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 6: maximize our teams that like base with a full back

2393
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 6: on the field, right, you know, like the forty nine

2394
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 6: ers or the Miami Dolphins or teams like that that

2395
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 6: really use the full back, like I was saying as

2396
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 6: as sort of you know, a schematic ring Mike Alstott. Oh, yes,

2397
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 6: well Mike all Star was also running.

2398
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2399
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 6: But yeah, I understand that Paul is saying in terms of, like,

2400
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 6: you know, those guys don't bring a lot, you know,

2401
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 6: to the passing game.

2402
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 4: In terms of just thinking those guys are special, like

2403
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 4: Kyle Yushchik is a special player. Yeah, Like, and that

2404
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 4: allows you to open up a lot of things for

2405
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 4: your offense. I would never argue with you on in

2406
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 4: terms of the creativity that that allows you. But I

2407
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 4: think those guys are special.

2408
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2409
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 4: I don't think that James Devlin was capable of opening

2410
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 4: that up for you. James Devlin was a plow horse

2411
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,879
Speaker 4: who helped you in the running game. Absolutely twenty eighteen.

2412
01:45:57,479 --> 01:45:59,560
Speaker 4: That was a big part of their power. And not

2413
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 4: to get I'll have it on you, you know, like,

2414
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 4: but that was a big part of the running game.

2415
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 4: And that's fine, you can do that. I don't want

2416
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 4: to play that way, but that's me. I'm stubborn, but

2417
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 4: you know, totally admit that I'm stubborn.

2418
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,839
Speaker 6: They averaged over eleven yards per play action pass attempt

2419
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 6: with Devilon on the field in eighteen because they they're

2420
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 6: showing the same formation and the same look to the defense.

2421
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 6: So when he leads up through the hole, the linebacker

2422
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 6: is going to come down to try to meet him

2423
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 6: in the hole. And then it's Brady still got the

2424
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 6: ball and he's throwing it right by his ear right.

2425
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 6: And those types of things are Josh McDaniels. You know,

2426
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels loves himself some iso like just run the

2427
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,520
Speaker 6: full back right through the middle of the line of scrimmage.

2428
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 6: The bat goes right behind him. Like that's a staple,

2429
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 6: day one install type of play for McDaniels.

2430
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 2: When it works, it works.

2431
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 5: Who's this guy on NFL Network comparing travon On Henderson

2432
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 5: to Marshall Fock.

2433
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 6: I don't know, like this is the type of draft

2434
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 6: analysis that just drives me crazy, Like this is how

2435
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 6: you set up people to fail, you know, and you're

2436
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 6: you're saying, like Ashton Gent is going to be the

2437
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 6: next Ladanian Tomlinson, like.

2438
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 4: They said Jones Drew, Yeah, that was that was his

2439
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 4: that was his compln Dons Philly Hey Don, Hey.

2440
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 25: Guys, I just want to say love to the draft

2441
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 25: and obviously hindsight is twenty twenty, but just wanted to

2442
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 25: bring up two hypotheticals and you know they are mutually

2443
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 25: exclusives to take it for what it is, but so

2444
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 25: we took Campbell and Henderson. If you look back, would

2445
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 25: you have preferred having gens a nursery you wouldn't have

2446
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 25: had the trade up. And then, like I said, it's

2447
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 25: mutually exclusive. If you go from second to third round pick,

2448
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 25: would you rather have Luther Burden and Dylan Samson or

2449
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 25: keep Henderson and Kyle Williams Nanks guys.

2450
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've heard that before, like the second ones

2451
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 4: are gonna be yeah, worth keeping an eye on.

2452
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 2: But the whole thing you know genty and nursery, I

2453
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 2: get it. But if the Patriots had taken genty at four,

2454
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 2: other things would have happened, you know, the butterfly effect.

2455
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 2: Ursery may not have been available, like you don't know,

2456
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 2: like if they had taken they would.

2457
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 3: Have been more likely to be available because it would

2458
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 3: be an extra tackle.

2459
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know, like things happen like.

2460
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 4: So it adds a tackle to the available I understand

2461
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 4: it's kind of illogical that a tackle was available even

2462
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 4: when Will Campbell did get taken.

2463
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be available if he hadn't.

2464
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but butterfly effect thing like things.

2465
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 3: I think.

2466
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 4: The second part of that I think is going to

2467
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 4: be worth keeping track of. It's going to be this

2468
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 4: year's version of Tayekwon Thornton instead of George Pickens and

2469
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 4: Ale Pierce in Scott. You know you're going to have all, yeah,

2470
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 4: paulkan McConkey, all my references that's, you know, instead of

2471
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 4: the one that's right in front of me from last year.

2472
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 4: The second part of that, when he's talking about Dylan Samson,

2473
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 4: you know how much difference is that, you know, could

2474
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 4: could you have done better? Why would you rather have

2475
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 4: the better wide receiver in the lesser running back, or

2476
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 4: the better running back and the lesser wide receiver. Like

2477
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 4: that's basically what you're coming down to.

2478
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 15: Now.

2479
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 4: Ideally you hit on both, and Kyle Williams is going

2480
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 4: to be a better wide receiver than Luther Burden, who

2481
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 4: has character issues, and that's the reason why he would

2482
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 4: have been available to you at thirty eight or whatever

2483
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 4: it was that we picked thirty six thirty thirty eight,

2484
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 4: So you had an opportunity to pick him. If he's

2485
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,639
Speaker 4: better than Kyle Williams, that's a that's a legitimate second guess.

2486
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, yes and no, because I don't

2487
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 6: think they were ever going to take Luther Burdens.

2488
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean they're right, like you put it,

2489
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 3: but they got on you do not draft list. That

2490
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you were right to do that. If

2491
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 3: the guy has a ten year career, never has any problem.

2492
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 6: Sure, sure, I just I look at the process and like,

2493
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 6: like Urser, I think is the same, is similar, but

2494
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 6: not quite as egregious as Luther Burden. Maybe, But I

2495
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 6: think there were a real uh you know, kind of

2496
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 6: hearing some of the stories of about Ersery It kind

2497
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 6: of reminded me of Trent Brown, right like.

2498
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 4: Just like so effort and I would also say, and

2499
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lazy out of the street. Yeah, I didn't

2500
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 4: really hear a lot of people telling me that Ersery

2501
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 4: was on a level with Will Campbell, right Like, I'd

2502
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 4: heard a lot of people telling me that Luther Burton

2503
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 4: is arguably the best wide receiver in the class. So

2504
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 4: I think, even at full strength, high motor, Ursery, I

2505
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 4: don't think is as good as Will Campbell. You add

2506
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 4: in all the stuff that Evan just talked about, that

2507
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:23,799
Speaker 4: makes it a no brainer.

2508
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

2509
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 4: In other words, if I'm sitting here telling you that

2510
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 4: Ersery should they should have waited for Ursery, like, that's

2511
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 4: twenty twenty hindsight. That's not what anybody. Anybody thought. Now,

2512
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that thought Kyle Wims good

2513
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 4: wide receiver. There are others that are better. So if

2514
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 4: they end up being right, then you might have missed. Now,

2515
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 4: this is the flip side of that is trevi On

2516
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 4: Henderson as the as the caller said, is he that

2517
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 4: much better than the guys that go after him? Because

2518
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 4: there was a run on running backs shortly after the

2519
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:56,759
Speaker 4: Patriots took him. I think Henderson's really really good player,

2520
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean we're right. And what if some

2521
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 4: of these guys that that they could have had in

2522
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 4: the third round or the fourth round or better.

2523
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wish that there was an there never

2524
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 6: will be. So this is just a me thing.

2525
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 3: But it's just one of those.

2526
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 6: But like, but like the context has always missed when

2527
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 6: we when we go through these in hindsight of like

2528
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,600
Speaker 6: the Patriots were never going to draft George Pickens, Like

2529
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 6: I don't George Pickens was a much better prospect than

2530
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 6: the guys that were going around him.

2531
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 2: He went where he.

2532
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 6: Went because of the of his character, I agree, and

2533
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 6: because of the red flags, so he he was not

2534
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 6: on their board, like they were never going to draft him.

2535
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:31,880
Speaker 6: I feel that. I don't know for a fact, But

2536
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 6: I feel the same way about Luther Burden. Like I

2537
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 6: don't think that they passed on Luther Burden because they

2538
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 6: thought Treyvon Henderson was a better player. I think they

2539
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 6: passed on Luther Burden because he wasn't a programmed guy

2540
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 6: and it wasn't get through.

2541
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 2: You're evaluating the draft five years from now, right, You're like, well,

2542
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,639
Speaker 2: were they wrong and having Luther Burden on their.

2543
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 4: Board, And that's my point, like they've taken guys that

2544
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 4: other teams have had off their boys right right, that

2545
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 4: haven't worked out. And I don't think I need to

2546
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 4: say names specifically. I think you guys can fit figure

2547
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 4: it out here.

2548
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 3: Sure, So one that's part of the everybody, Yeah there's

2549
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 3: a couple, but I don't say that name.

2550
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 4: There's like that's part of the dram with Fred. I

2551
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 4: think that's part of your draft evaluation, right, did you

2552
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 4: get the character right too?

2553
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 8: Right?

2554
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 4: I mean you got the talent right, But will you

2555
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 4: right to say I'm not going to take him at

2556
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 4: thirty eight?

2557
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 3: He's off my board, right.

2558
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 6: I just am preparing Luther Burden unless he goes. Luther

2559
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 6: Burden's gonna have a good NFL career, Like he's going

2560
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 6: to be a good player. He is a good player,

2561
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 6: and they're going to be just like George Pickens, there's

2562
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 6: going to be bumps along the road where it flares up,

2563
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 6: so I would know and will put that into context,

2564
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 6: like it's just going to be they missed on George

2565
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 6: Pickens again, and in this time it was Luther Burden.

2566
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 4: You're right, that is what But I will not do that,

2567
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 4: and I will actually give deuces flowers who was really

2568
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 4: on the George Pickens bandwagon when it when it happened

2569
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 4: about this guy's this guy's tough. You read a lot

2570
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 4: about this guy. I don't know if that's that's the

2571
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 4: guy you want to bring in. I would say, based

2572
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 4: on what's happened so far, if the Patriots in fact

2573
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 4: did not have Pickens on their board, I would say

2574
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 4: they were right because these are the kinds of things

2575
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 4: that they were worried about, and they have happened. Even

2576
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 4: though he's productive, No one doubted his talent. He's been productive,

2577
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 4: but he's a handful. And I agree with Evan there's

2578
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 4: context to this. If Luther Burden is like Pickens, I

2579
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 4: would say, no, like he's been Okay, he's produced, but

2580
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 4: he's a lot.

2581
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 2: And you know you mentioned the word context. Even five

2582
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 2: years from now, you have to remember what the context

2583
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 2: is back then and right now we're building a culture.

2584
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't think they could absorb somebody like a

2585
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 2: Luther Burden. Where five years from now, assuming everything goes

2586
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 2: right and they've got that culture, then okay, now we

2587
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 2: can bring in a player like that, so it context

2588
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 2: has everything to do with it.

2589
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 4: I agree with your point, though there's nuance to all

2590
01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 4: and it's too often it's black and white.

2591
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 3: That guy's a good player, like last year.

2592
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 6: You know, I personally feel like medical is a little

2593
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 6: bit different. But Lad McConkie did have injuries in college

2594
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,560
Speaker 6: that people were worried about. We're gonna carry over to

2595
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 6: the pros. There's no doubt about it that Lad McConkie

2596
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 6: looks like a much better football player than Jalen Polk.

2597
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 3: But well, let's see in like after four years, maybe

2598
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 3: the medical concerns end up.

2599
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 6: But in that one, I steer more towards like they

2600
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 6: missed the evaluation me too, But like when it didn't

2601
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 6: when it comes to character stuff. But like this is

2602
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 6: just all the little things that you know, they have

2603
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 6: to take into consideration that when I'm doing a mock draft,

2604
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 6: if Lad McConkie pulls a hamstring like it doesn't you

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01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 6: know what difference does it make?

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01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 3: But I just evaluate the guy.

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01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 6: Right, I just watched the tape, right, you know.

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01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 2: Right, Tony's in Pennsylvania.

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01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 26: Hey, Tony, Hey was going on guys, I got two

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01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 26: questions and just some stats to read off to you guys.

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01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 26: Do you guys agree that this will be a make

2612
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 26: or break year or training camp if he makes it

2613
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 26: out of training camp for the Mario Douglas And also,

2614
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 26: despite Drake having a terrible line, the Mario Douglas was

2615
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 26: still on the field. He ranked eighty first and touchdowns

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01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 26: with three sixty first and yards with six hundred and

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01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 26: couples and also thirty ninth and receptions with sixty six.

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01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 26: And these guys agree that Kendrick most likely is out

2619
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:31,520
Speaker 26: of the lineup.

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01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 2: I I kind of agree with Bourn what makes makes

2621
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 2: sense with with pop, I would say that last year

2622
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 2: it was hard to evaluate because the room wasn't that

2623
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 2: good and he seemed yeah, he seemed like one of

2624
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 2: the best of that room. But now you know, now

2625
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 2: you have Digs in here and Kyle Williams, Now it

2626
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 2: might be a better comparison and tougher form. But so like,

2627
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 2: if he is the fourth receiver on this team, that'll

2628
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 2: be fine.

2629
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was a sixth round pick. I don't know

2630
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 6: what you were expecting him to be any better than that.

2631
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,440
Speaker 6: Like the numbers are that of like a third or

2632
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 6: fourth receiver, which is all he really could have expected

2633
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 6: him to be. So I think right now he's way

2634
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 6: over performed his draft slot. Like he was drafted in

2635
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 6: the sixth round, but he's an NFL player.

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01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 2: We're comparing him like the room last year wasn't that good.

2637
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:28,919
Speaker 4: But I think he I'm I'm not the biggest Jamario

2638
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 4: Douglas guy. You guys know that, you know, But I'm

2639
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 4: not talking about the person. I'm talking about the player.

2640
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 4: He's what Evan just said, He's a fourth receiver, third

2641
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 4: or fourth guy at best.

2642
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:40,839
Speaker 6: He's a slot guy on But he's a sixth round.

2643
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 3: Pick who played two years. Why are we ranking him

2644
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 3: among the entire NFL?

2645
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 4: How many sixth round picks from his draft class were

2646
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 4: better than that? Like, let's compare him to what he

2647
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 4: should be.

2648
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well it's it's it doesn't matter what you know,

2649
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 2: what you do when you get here.

2650
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think he's done well. He's in the NFL,

2651
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 4: But I don't think there's a lot of guys that

2652
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 4: are in the NFL that get drafted.

2653
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 2: Where he is. No, But my point is, at some

2654
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: point you got to forget about where he got drafted.

2655
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 21: No.

2656
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 3: Fred I'm not talking about he's a star. He's not

2657
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 3: a star.

2658
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 4: I'm saying he's a complimentary piece. That's what you hoped

2659
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 4: that he'd be. That's exactly what he's He hasn't like outperformed, underperformed,

2660
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 4: like you hope that you have some depth pieces when

2661
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 4: you pick in day three.

2662
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 3: That's what he is.

2663
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said, if he ends up being

2664
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 2: the fourth receiver of the team, that's great for that's

2665
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 2: what that's really good.

2666
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,440
Speaker 4: I just feel like if you're expecting him to be

2667
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 4: more than that, I don't know what you thought you

2668
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 4: were getting.

2669
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 6: Yes, make or break, I like, I don't. I'd like

2670
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 6: I think that he is who he is, Like he's

2671
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 6: a complimentary piece, like he's a he's a slide, like

2672
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 6: a third receiver.

2673
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 4: For respecting him to catch one hundred and twenty balls,

2674
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 4: well I mean I know, But I mean I just

2675
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:58,240
Speaker 4: would hope that having better receivers around him will just

2676
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 4: make life a little bit easier for him, maybe take

2677
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 4: some of the heat off of him to have to

2678
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 4: be the constant guy getting open.

2679
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 8: You know.

2680
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 2: But he's not gonna rise up the rank like the

2681
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 2: caller was ranking him. That's numbers aren't gonna increase because

2682
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 2: he has better receivers around him. I think he might

2683
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 2: be more effective in the role that he is if

2684
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 2: it's a fourth receiver, but these other receivers are gonna

2685
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:18,720
Speaker 2: have better or not.

2686
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 6: I mean, just looking at it, like his receiving yards

2687
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 6: and receptions against his draft class, like they're guys that

2688
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 6: are that were drafted. I mean, besides Puko's just turns

2689
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 6: out to be a freak. But like all these other

2690
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 6: guys that are in the same territory of him were

2691
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 6: top one hundred picks and he was drafted at two

2692
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 6: hundred and ten and they got a player. You know,

2693
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 6: Quinton Johnson was drafted twenty first overall, and Pop has

2694
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 6: better production than Quinton Johnson does.

2695
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 2: He did, but again, would you have that production if

2696
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 2: the room was better?

2697
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 6: So you think he's like a good stats, bad team

2698
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 6: kind of guy.

2699
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 2: It was default don't.

2700
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 4: But I don't even I just don't know what you're expecting.

2701
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 4: Do you watch him play? Forget about the production, the

2702
01:58:56,920 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 4: numbers whatever. People think that this is the next Edelman

2703
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 4: and Welker, That's not what he is. Like, watch him play.

2704
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 4: He doesn't have that kind of ability like, I think

2705
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 4: he's been perfectly fine, but I think that people are

2706
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,800
Speaker 4: expecting him to be the next in line. Yeah, this

2707
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 4: like unbelievably productive.

2708
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 6: He's a really good man coverage, you know separator. His

2709
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 6: feel for his own coverage needs work, and like if

2710
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 6: he can develop.

2711
01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 3: His catch radius is so tiny.

2712
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, if he can develop, like you know, knowing when

2713
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 6: to settle down and know, you know, finding those like

2714
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 6: that's what Edelman and Welcome we're so good at. We're

2715
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 6: like finding those little soft spots. If he can take

2716
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 6: that next step, then maybe there is more production for him.

2717
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 6: But right now, he's really just like you know, if

2718
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 6: they play man to man, then he's a guy that

2719
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,800
Speaker 6: can get open against man coverage. That that's what he

2720
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 6: does best.

2721
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, that's going to be it for

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01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:50,959
Speaker 2: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Remember go to that YouTube

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Speaker 2: and subscribe to the Patriots account because we're gonna put

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Speaker 2: a lot of great content up there. Evan, you got

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Speaker 2: cash twenty two.

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Speaker 6: Tomorrow tomorrow, Yeah, special guests on tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Arth.

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Speaker 6: Well, he's always he's special, right, that's true, He's our special.

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Speaker 2: Are you are you keeping it a secret or do

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02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 2: you want to promote it.

2731
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Speaker 6: We'll keep it a secret, little tease.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, tea all right, So special guest on Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two and then we'll be back on Thursday with

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Speaker 2: more and maybe we'll have a special guest too. Yeah,

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02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 2: all right, all right, thanks for listening. Hey, this is Fred.

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Speaker 6: You're not usually into the numbers, Okay, we do this.

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Speaker 3: Just give me there's the advantage.

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