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Speaker 1: Welcome to Gear Talk. I'm honest, but tell us with me.

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Speaker 1: I have Jordan's bud. This is the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: try to educate you about hunting gear so you can

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Speaker 1: make better purchases on hunting gear in the future, or

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Speaker 1: not make any purchases on hunting gear because you might

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Speaker 1: have what you already need. We've been getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of good feedback about people saying and people nothing against

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Speaker 1: just general listeners and fans that I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: when someone I get feedback from those types of people

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Speaker 1: that I have no contact with whatsoever, it's like, oh, awesome,

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Speaker 1: that's great. I'm glad you're learning stuff, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: it's valuable. But if someone like one of my old

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Speaker 1: guiding buddies text me, is like, man, that's been really

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Speaker 1: good stuff. I've been learning about stuff I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know existed, about taking care of my rank here and

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Speaker 1: washing it. More often, when I get that kind of feedback,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're really doing something right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. And then even this last episode that aired

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Speaker 2: for the Knife Sharpening or a couple episodes ago with

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Speaker 2: Steve Baker, like the Hayden who edits our podcast, he

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Speaker 2: sent me a video of him like shaving his arm

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Speaker 2: hairs with his knife and he's like that podcast changed

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Speaker 2: my life, Like no, I could. I feel like I

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Speaker 2: have a whole new skill because I can get those

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Speaker 2: things like razor hair shaven sharp. So that's like that

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Speaker 2: was super cool for me to be like perfect and

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Speaker 2: I mean it helped. It helped me too and how

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Speaker 2: I was sharpening stuff. So yeah, it's been cool.

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Speaker 1: Good. What else have you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, we just you and I just hung out

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Speaker 2: a bit in Bozeman. We had a little uh what

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Speaker 2: would you call it, like a not really a seminar.

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Speaker 1: Corey called it the spring Fling.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it was a spring fling with the whole meat

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Speaker 2: eater gang and it was it was great. We all

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Speaker 2: got to hang out. We did a little shooting competition.

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Speaker 2: We had a like a public speaker person come in

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Speaker 2: or not really public speaker. He was like a more

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Speaker 2: of a speech coach.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I referred to him as a voice coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, that was my idea to try to help

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Speaker 1: all of our content creators be stronger as hosts on

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Speaker 1: in front of the camera with their voice and help

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Speaker 1: them read voice over, which is the narrative that you

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Speaker 1: hear sometimes when you're watching a program and somebody it

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Speaker 1: wasn't recorded like in real time. It's recorded later and

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Speaker 1: then put into an episode that's voiceover. And reading voice

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Speaker 1: over well is extremely difficult. I would say, at least

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Speaker 1: it was for me. I feel like I'm getting better

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Speaker 1: at it. But it's very easy to be monotone and

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Speaker 1: to be kind of boring. And if you're not doing

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Speaker 1: that well and people aren't engaged, man, it just takes

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Speaker 1: right out of the content and there's nothing. The last

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Speaker 1: my content wasn't engaging. So anyways, yeah we did that.

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Speaker 1: We did some shooting well, friendly shooting competition, Yes, do

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Speaker 1: we do It was good, ate some food, dranks and beer,

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Speaker 1: just did general camaraderie things. Had the Element Boys from Texas,

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Speaker 1: Clay and Newcomb and Brent Reeves from Arkansas. Brent Reeves

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Speaker 1: is a new contributor. I guess you'd call him a

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Speaker 1: content creator. He's gonna be doing a podcast called This

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Speaker 1: Country Life and it's going to be stories and then

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Speaker 1: like tips and tricks and skills and hacks for beating

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody asked me what system really trying to beat,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know, just the system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's out to get you down. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: I we should have followed up with Brent about that.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is going to

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Speaker 1: come down to, Hey, if you know how to do this,

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Speaker 1: then you don't have to pay somebody else to do

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Speaker 1: You're more intelligent because you know the skill, and you

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Speaker 1: don't ever need to rely on someone else. Should that

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Speaker 1: happen again, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet. So Yeah, after I left Bozeman, I went

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Speaker 1: So she's already killed three turkeys.

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Speaker 2: Like her dad's been texting me as they move along

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Speaker 2: you know, can't wait to get up there and get

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Speaker 1: So have you heard if she gets it, is she

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Speaker 1: going to be the youngest person to ever do the

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask some of these kids. I know a few others.

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Speaker 1: They do more traveling for all kinds of hunting, even

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Speaker 1: But man, some of these kids, I mean, come on

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Speaker 2: But this morning she was hanging out, gonna swim in

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Speaker 2: sure where the schooling lies in there, but it's I

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Speaker 2: don't know, man, it's gonna be fun. It's like a

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Speaker 2: little extra oomph to like make sure you do good guiding,

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Speaker 2: you know, or like try todd you know. It's just cool.

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Speaker 2: It's super unique. So yeah, that's it's gonna be cool.

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Speaker 2: I also I have a sweet gear hack for organizing stuff.

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Speaker 2: We get a lot of questions about like organizing gear

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Speaker 2: want to hear how you and Mingus have been doing

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Speaker 1: Don't know if Mingus is frustrated. I'm frustrated. I feel

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Speaker 1: But ma'am, the other day, did I put I? Did?

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Speaker 1: I did three days in a row, or at least

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Speaker 1: One was just a morning. But I've been hiking a

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Speaker 1: Then we kept poking around, found four different kills on

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Speaker 1: And it was cool to see the kills. And we

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Speaker 1: Hunted again until three both days, five plus miles, lots

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Speaker 1: I've got one week left. Season closes April fourteenth here

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I was we were doing backyard projects as

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Speaker 2: the weather gets nicer, and we were strolling through lows

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Speaker 2: that they're lockable, they have nice latches, they have like

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Speaker 2: you know, wheels on them for rolling. But the thing

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Speaker 2: that comes out, like the big handle that comes out,

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Speaker 2: it's like telescoping. So the handle basically like slides back

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Speaker 2: into the lids so it stays out of the way.

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Speaker 2: But then when you want to, if you have a

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Speaker 2: lot of weight and it, you can like telescope that

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Speaker 2: handle out and then wheel it around. And so most

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Speaker 2: of them lock, and if they don't lock, they at

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Speaker 2: least have holes that you could put a padlock in them.

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Speaker 2: They roll, so when you have all the stuff in there,

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Speaker 2: you're good to go there. They're heavier duty than a tote,

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Speaker 2: and they have like a gasket around the lid for

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Speaker 2: sealing out dust and water and stuff. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's genius. And they're not that expensive, Like they're a

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Speaker 2: little bit more expensive than a regular plastic tote. But like, dude,

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Speaker 2: a lot of those totes I can't get the lids

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Speaker 2: and I break them, and YadA YadA.

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Speaker 1: So are you talking about a full on job site box?

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Speaker 1: too is like I was talking about your feet and

431
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: keeping your extremities warm, bringing a over the top hat

432
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: that is warmer than what you actually need. Again, if

433
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: your head's warm kind of helps keep everything else warm.

434
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: Bring a net gator, even if it's a skinny wool netgator,

435
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: Bring that and insulate that neck. Don't be losing heat

436
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: in these, you know, easy to cover places. Same thing

437
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: with your hands. You know, have some nice woolf liners,

438
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: have a way to keep warm inside some you know insulation,

439
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: whether it's pockets or a muff or something that you

440
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: brought in with you. But I think if you keep the

441
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: extremities warm, I think it'll overall make your body feel.

442
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: Warmer, super like good intel. Like I think some of

443
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: my thinking with just like especially later season you're dipping

444
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: into November. I don't remember if you actually put that

445
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: on here. I think that's a question further on down.

446
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: But like I have just been freezing cold before then

447
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: I would have given any amount of money to have

448
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: a super cushy set of bibs in a big jacket on,

449
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: and yeah, it would be tough for me just to

450
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: try to like skimp by is as as least as

451
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: I could, if that makes sense.

452
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: Sure, it's gonna come down to personal choice on whether

453
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: you want to carry the way of of the big

454
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, heavier uh, you know, bibbs and jacket with

455
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: you or not. All right now kind of on the

456
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: a segue to another question, is is another fellow wanted

457
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: some clothing recommendations for a main northern tier whitetail hunt,

458
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: but not one where you sit in a stand. Instead,

459
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: go out there, cut a fresh track, follow the buck

460
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: and do a hunt. That question came from Instagram at

461
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Greg H six nine. Way different, right, you're moving the

462
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: whole time, so even if you're in single digit temperatures

463
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: down to zero again depending on this the speed that

464
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: you're moving, depending on how much the wind is blowing.

465
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: But that's not too different from a lot of the

466
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: lion hunts I've been on this winter. It's cold, it's snowy.

467
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: I'm going up some I'm going you know, across the ridge.

468
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: Some I'm going downhill. Some usually not too fast. I'm

469
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: not in a rush to get anywhere. I'm just hiking around,

470
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: but I'm moving enough to keep up my core tempt

471
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: and if it's if it's gonna stay freezing or below,

472
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I'll go with my midweight wool base layer. Anything warmer

473
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: than that, I'll go with the lightweight version. But just

474
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: one wool based layer and a soft shell jacket, something

475
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: just to knock the wind off, contain a little bit

476
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: of my own heat. That is enough to get me

477
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: through most situations most days, until I stop, and the

478
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: same thing goes for this fella, I think that you

479
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: could hunt. You could be on the track with a

480
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: single bass layer, a nice soft shell jacket. You're cruising along,

481
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: you're moving. You know, if it's not quite enough, you're

482
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring in either another another base layer

483
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: of wool, or you could add in a thin synthetic

484
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: puffy of some sort underneath that soft shell. If I

485
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: was that person hunting, I would always have some kind

486
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: of a down jacket in my backpack. And that's not

487
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: just for stopping and having lunch or stopping and glassing

488
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: for a minute, or whatever it might be. But you

489
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: get into a situation and you got to stay out

490
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: longer than you thought. You're going to be super happy

491
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: to be pulling busting out a down jacket out of

492
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: out of your backpack. As far as the bottoms go,

493
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: very similar situation. I would say, one light wool based layer,

494
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: some sort of a soft shelly pant, and then you know,

495
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: whatever you do for gators or you know, for depending

496
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: on how much snow there is. I think something that

497
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: can vent open has some zippers so that you can

498
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: let the air flow that way, if you do hike

499
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: up five hundred feet at one time, following a buck

500
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: track real quick, because you know he went up and

501
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: over to the other side of the mountain, you can

502
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: zip out and let the heat dump out. Yep.

503
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really have a lot to add on that.

504
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: I think the only thing I do just a little

505
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: bit different is like you mentioned, sometimes depending on the temperature,

506
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: you where either like the lightest weight wool, or you'll

507
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: go to like a midway or just a little heavier

508
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: weight wool. I think from me, I always tend to

509
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: stick with that lightest weight wol and then I might

510
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: just put another layer in between that soft shell jacket,

511
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: so like sometimes it could be a fleece, sometimes it

512
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: might just be a vest. Like just a lighter weight vest.

513
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean pretty much same same thing that

514
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: you've got going on. Would be my recommendations.

515
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: I found for me when I double up any sort

516
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: of bass layer in mid layer, whether that midlayer is

517
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: the fleece or another layer whirl, well, it just seems

518
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: like a more apt to get sweatier sooner and faster.

519
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: And again I just have to remind myself of that,

520
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: be bold, start cold, and let the system work for you, right,

521
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: let it insulate you to the point that you need.

522
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: But then also with the less layers in there, it's

523
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: going to let that moisture and let that heat move

524
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: through it faster, easier, and hopefully regulate your temperature better.

525
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard to start bold sometimes.

526
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah, especially when you're tired and it's day

527
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: three or four and you're a little cranky. But man,

528
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: as soon as you get moving and you're like, oh yeah,

529
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable right now. My wife and I actually

530
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: just went on a run yesterday, a little easter afternoon run,

531
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: and it was no different. Man. She had gone outside.

532
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day here, I mean probably sixty

533
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: degrees maybe even a little bit warmer, but the song

534
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: was getting a little bit low. It was maybe five

535
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: thirty and I'm like, I'm going t shirt and shorts.

536
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: It's just nice. The wind's not supposed to blow at all.

537
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: And she put on tights and I think she had

538
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: on a wool first light hoodie, and fifteen minutes into

539
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: it she was sweating. And same thing. I was super comfortable.

540
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't even even the lead I would. I don't

541
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: even say I started cold. I mean it might have

542
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: been a tinge of of you know, cold, but yeah,

543
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's so easy to go no, no, no,

544
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: I want to be comfortable. I'm gonna wear more. But

545
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: as soon as you start doing any kind of activity

546
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: where you're exerting energy, it's going to get You're gonna

547
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: be too hot. All right, Take take this one. Jordan.

548
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: We just did a haunt in northern main White Tail

549
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: where he's gonna move all day, follow and follow a

550
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: buck track. Josh Selfridge, he's going to Oregon this year

551
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: for his first l hunt. It's gonna be a post

552
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: rut rifle hunt November one to five, and he'd love

553
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: to hear your opinion on a first like kit to

554
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: bring out there that time year. Is there anything you

555
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: would change for that hunt compared to the Northern tier

556
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: white tail hunt?

557
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: A little bit, A little bit, I would do the

558
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: same thing, like light bas layer, because if we're walking

559
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: a lot, that's probably what I'm going to be in

560
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: a lot, go with the fleece. I kind of teeter

561
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: back and forth on those November hunts of whether I

562
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: want to bring a soft shell or not. Sometimes with

563
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: like a backpack style hunt, they're just like, yeah, they're

564
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: a little bulky, and you can pretty much get by

565
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: with just putting your puffy jacket on earlier. But a

566
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: lot of times I still like a soft shell, especially

567
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: if there's gonna be some if there's gonna be a

568
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: lot of wind and there's gonna be some weather coming in,

569
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: sometimes that soft shell is really nice to hike in

570
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: with a pack on to cut the wind. Just like

571
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: you were saying with the guy from Mean, what I

572
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: would add for sure is puffy pants, and I would

573
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: make sure to have a puffy jacket and probably like

574
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: a fairly substantial puffy jacket and with that mix. But

575
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: other than that, I mean, it's still kind of the same.

576
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: I think I would still use like the Corget foundry

577
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: pant with like over the top of a wick like

578
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: the wick base layer bottoms. That seems to be a

579
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: pretty good system. If I knew it was gonna be

580
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: really cold, I might bump up to like the Catalyst

581
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: pants instead of the cor Gate. Just gets you a

582
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: little a little bit thicker material, a little bit of

583
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: like fleecy lining, and can be a little bit warmer.

584
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: But for the most part, man, it doesn't really change.

585
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: No, I agree, not that not that much. It's gonna

586
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: be cold, but you're gonna be moving when you stop,

587
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: you get you needs it figured got a way to

588
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: keep you warm, and yeah, no better way and do

589
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: that than puffy pants and or a puffy jacket.

590
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: Man. And I think like puffy pants. I think that

591
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: they're underrated. They're starting to get up there, like people

592
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: are starting to wear them and be like, holy cow,

593
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: I never knew my pants or my legs got cold

594
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: until I put those things on and you kind of

595
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: realize how chilled they were. Another thing I want to

596
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: kick and hear real quick is like utilizing your rain

597
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: gear too for more than just beaten rain storms. And

598
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: if that stuff is waterproof, it's wind proof and throwing

599
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: a set of rain pants on can be really nice.

600
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: I've done that a bit, like maybe in October when

601
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: I just like am not super sold on packing my

602
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: puffy pants, I can throw those rain pants on in

603
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: it like you'd be amazed how much it traps that

604
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: heat in. It cuts the wind one hundred percent. And

605
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: then I don't know, it's just I feel like rainear

606
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: is pretty underutilized and we all seem to always have

607
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: it with us.

608
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's the there's some sort

609
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: of saying adage about having multiple uses for each piece

610
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: of gear, and certainly if you're packing around the two

611
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: to three four pounds of rain gear and only pulling

612
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: it out when there's a deluge happening, I think you're

613
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: you're doing it wrong. You're packing a lot of gear

614
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: round for no reason. It definitely works extremely well for

615
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: breaking the wind and just you know, keeping the chill

616
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: off of you. That's something that probably won't work well

617
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: for the white tail hunter. It's just going to be

618
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: too noisy. But on a western hunt, a rifle hunt,

619
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: the elk at two hundred yards is not going to

620
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: hear your rain pants machine together or swishing against the brush.

621
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean maybe on the absolute still at night, but

622
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: you should just be a little bit more careful. I

623
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: guess if you know there's a bulk at two hundred

624
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: yards in that situation. But yeah, I've been wearing my

625
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: Olmend rain pants all winter cat hunting in them instead

626
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: of wearing pants with gators. Because the internal gator has

627
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: a little clip on it. I put that on my bootlaces.

628
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: That keeps the pants down, keeping them from riding up

629
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: when I'm postoling through the snow. And to me, it's

630
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: one less layer because instead of having socks long John's,

631
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: a hike or a hunting pant, and a gator, now

632
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: I just have socks long Johns and one pair of pants.

633
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: It just seems like one less layer. I feel like

634
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: my calves don't get as sweaty running that way, So

635
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: you could consider that good luck, Josh Hope, you uh

636
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: whack yourself a big one out there. I've never hunted

637
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: an Oregon, either of Steve. I guess we did. No,

638
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: that was Washington we hunted together. I've never been in

639
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Oregon hunting. Yeah, what's the next one here?

640
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Onto Danny Doyle's.

641
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: Question, let's go to Danny Doyle.

642
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, he says Yanni. How about discussing what rifle

643
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: you'd both have if you could only have one? And

644
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: this is a really hard question.

645
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: It's impossible. Do you want to take it first?

646
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, if you were starting from absolutely zero

647
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: and you're going on a L hunt, I would probably

648
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: go with like a seven mag. If you are just

649
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: going to be shooting deer and stuff. I don't think

650
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with, you know, overgun and then going

651
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: to something like seven mag, but for deer and antelope

652
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: and stuff like going with something like a six ' five.

653
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a little bit, but it I

654
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: think you should be able to shoot your rifle really

655
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: well and feel comfortable shooting it, rather than being like,

656
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: all right, I got I got an L hunt coming up.

657
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: I hear. I have to have a three hundred rum

658
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: or a three hundred win mag to shoot an elk with,

659
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get that thing. And especially if you

660
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: haven't shot a lot, those things whack the hell out

661
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: of you, like they're not that fun to shoot. They

662
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: just aren't. And I think that having a rifle that

663
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: you can shoot well and you like shooting is going

664
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: to be a little better than going with something really big,

665
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: which is kind of getting a little I'm getting down

666
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: a rabbit hole. But mine would probably be some like

667
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: a seven mag. But you know, you take this over, Yannie,

668
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: like I kind of know your thoughts on it.

669
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: A little bit, very well rounded cartridge choice there. I

670
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: got a lot to say about this, But Danny, you're

671
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: not gonna like my answer because I'm gonna tell you

672
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't never answer this question and say, oh yeah,

673
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: it would just be the Remington seven hundred and thirty

674
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: hot six. It's just there's no I've owned that rifle.

675
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: It did me well. I killed my first three or

676
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: four elk with it. I don't own it anymore. I

677
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: don't own a single thirty hot six anymore. And yeah,

678
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: with my job, I get to cycle through a lot

679
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: more guns. But before this job, when I was just

680
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: a hunting guide, I still cycle through guns. I went

681
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: through that, then I went through Trying to think what

682
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: I went to after that, I think I went to

683
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: three hundred Winchester short Magnum. After that, I had a

684
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: three hundred weather be for a little while, and that

685
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: was about as big as I ever went, and then

686
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: I backed it down to to seventy. I have a

687
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: six y five Swede, which I bought because Chuck Hawk's

688
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: and my buddy Scottie are huge fans of the sixty

689
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: five fifty five Swede, which is pretty much the equivalent ballistically,

690
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people are gonna love

691
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: this and freak out on us, but it's pretty much

692
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: the equivalent of that six y five creed more than

693
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: everybody loves. For whatever reason, the sixty five, not whatever

694
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: reason is marketing, is why the six fifty five swede

695
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: never took off here in the United States. Over in Europe,

696
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: it accounts for something crazy like seventy five percent of

697
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: the moose killed or something ridiculous like that are killed

698
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: with a sixty five fifty five. Anyways, I own one

699
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: of those. I've killed I think three giant cow elk

700
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: here Montana with that cartridge, and each one of them

701
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: did awesome. So my point to all that is is

702
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: that it just for me. Part of this whole thing

703
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: is the fun of trying new stuff of Yeah, whether

704
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a different caliber or different rifle configuration, Like even

705
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: if you're not a hunting influencer, dude, and you're getting

706
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: rifles sent to you. It's not that hard. I used to

707
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: how I got my three hundred weather be I walked

708
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: into the Cabellas and Sitdney, Nebraska, and it was sitting

709
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: there looking pretty as could be in that used gun rack,

710
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: and I think I got it for like six hundred

711
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: and fifty bucks or something like that, and it was sweet.

712
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I think it was a Remington seven hundred that one.

713
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: But anyways, it shot great. It did what I needed

714
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: to do, and I'm sure I could have easily sold

715
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: whatever other gun I had for roughly the same price

716
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: and been into something else. Like I just enjoyed that stuff.

717
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: It's fun. Back when I reloaded, it was another reason

718
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: to buy some more gunpowder and more brass and more

719
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: bullets and load up more loads and just enjoy the

720
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: journey of experiencing different calibers and checking it all out.

721
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: Which brings me back to the seven rem bag, which

722
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: I just got one in a Tika t X three.

723
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: It's got an MDT stock on it, which is a

724
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: sweet little setup. And I've never hunted with a seven milimeter,

725
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: never killed a single animal with a seven milimeter, and

726
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: this will be my first spring and fall I'll hunt

727
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: with one, and I'm looking forward to it. See what

728
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: it does. I'm sure that it's going to do well.

729
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: I know hundreds of people they've killed the animals with

730
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: a seven millimeter. With today's bullets, quality bullets, there's a

731
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: lot of options that can help any caliber get the

732
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: job done. I will leave you with this. If I

733
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: was going to do anything right now considering around rifles,

734
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: and you really had to spend some money is I

735
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: would get my butt into a place that sells suppressors

736
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: and do the paperwork and get the process started. There's

737
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: what's that. Yeah, it's not gonna be fast, it's gonna Basically,

738
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: you should just set aside a year. I know you're thinking, like, oh, man,

739
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: a year, and it's like, yeah, you won't be hunting

740
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: it hunting deer season twenty three with it, but you

741
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: will be hunting deer season twenty four with it. And

742
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: obviously you got to check your local rags and whatever

743
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: and make sure they're legal. I don't know if any

744
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: place is that they're not, but man, to me, I've

745
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: been thinking about it a lot lately. I've got a couple

746
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: of them now, and it just makes rifle shooting so

747
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: much more fun. You don't have to worry about the

748
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: both things like the recoil and just the sound. Well

749
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: it's messing up your ears. But how much I was

750
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: just thinking about because I was shooting that rifle the

751
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: other day at seven millimeter sight it. Sighting it in

752
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: really is all I was doing. But it was such

753
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: a breeze and I was so calm throughout the whole

754
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: thing where and I realized that I didn't have to

755
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: sit there and go, Okay, brace yourself because it's gonna punch,

756
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: but don't brace yourself so much that you are affecting

757
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: your shot like me control, but let the rifle do

758
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: its thing. Right. There's this big thought process that I'm

759
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: always going through, and now that I have that can

760
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: screwed on the end, that is gone. It's just pull

761
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: the trigger, pull the trigger, and I'm watching the bullets

762
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: hit the paper. I'm watching the bullets hit the the

763
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the steel. It's just and I was thinking about how

764
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: much of a difference that's gonna make for my kids.

765
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: How for me, and they're dealing with it a little

766
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: bit now with shotguns, but for me growing up there

767
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: was always this sort of thing when I remember going

768
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: up you know, rifle sizes, you know, up to a

769
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: thirty caliber and think always thinking about the recoil, and

770
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: it was a big part of it. Now with cans,

771
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way, and they're gonna

772
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: have such a better in my opinion experience. Like Steve

773
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: always says, there's no reason the rifles have to be

774
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: loud and have a whole bunch of recoil mm hmm.

775
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: Like we have this thing called a suppressor, right, Like,

776
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: there's no rule that says you have to endure this

777
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: crazy loud boom with this and this crazy uh impact

778
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: against your shoulder and your cheek and possibly your forehead

779
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: if you're in too close on the scope.

780
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, so much nicer to shoot. Man.

781
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: Oh just it's just yeah, it's just fun. I think

782
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: I told the story already. But last year I shot

783
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: my first animal using a suppressor. It was a my

784
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: longest shot ever. It was a prong horn five hundred

785
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: and sixty yards I believe it was. I was prone

786
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: on top of a little ridge overlooking this beautiful hayfield.

787
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: We're hunting some private property i'd gotten access to and

788
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: I shot. It was the first animal ever, and I

789
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: can remember what. I never lost the prong horn in

790
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: my site picture, and I saw the bullet hit. I

791
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: saw the ripples sort of go through its fur and

792
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: whether that was air or just the shock wave going

793
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: through its fur. But as soon as I pulled the

794
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: trigger and saw that, I was like, Okay, good, that's

795
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: dead prong horn. Don't need to think about a follow

796
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: up shot, right that? Being able to keep that animal

797
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: in my site picture, that's the biggest thing I think

798
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: for hunting with suppressors. The biggest pro is that it's

799
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: so much easier to keep your target in the site

800
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: picture and be ready to know what happened, and to

801
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: be ready and be faster on a follow up shot.

802
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Some random thing I was just

803
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: thinking about, like kicking and how that can stick with

804
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: you to this day. I still think that four ten's

805
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: just kick like a mules, because the last time I

806
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: shot one, I was like ten.

807
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: Right o. My daughter is battling it bad. We have

808
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: daily conversations about when the next time is going to

809
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: be that she's gonna muster the uh, the fortitude to

810
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: go out there and pull that trigger again. Her younger

811
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: sister is doing it now regularly and is not scared

812
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm hoping that that's enough to push

813
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: her into doing it. She wants to kill a turkey

814
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: this year. But I'm definitely not pushing it too hard.

815
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: I just said, every day we have a little conversation,

816
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: how you feeling. Do you want to know? If you

817
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it, we don't have to

818
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: talk about it, but let me know, let me know

819
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: when you're ready to try. I'll have the targets set

820
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: up in five minutes.

821
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: She'll work through it.

822
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll happen. So sorry, Danny, I couldn't

823
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: help you out and just pick one, but I just don't.

824
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: I just think it's and you know what, Danny, though

825
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: you're not alone. I think that when I asked for

826
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: these questions, there was at least three four, maybe half

827
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: dozen versions of the same question. And I just I

828
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's it's not stupid, and I

829
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: guess it's. If you're learning about all this, you might

830
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: think there's a right answer, But as long as you're

831
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: not extremely undergunned, that's the only place you will get

832
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: into some real trouble because you can be overgunned and

833
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have probably more meat loss or whatever

834
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: heavier gun to carry, and this and that and the other.

835
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: But as far as getting the job done, you can't

836
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: really overgun it. You could just be undergunned being meaning

837
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: you have too small of a caliber. But yeah, all

838
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: Jordan's points were great to pick something that you can

839
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: shoot well, that you're not scared of. Shack Cox, the

840
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Great Gun always said that the third Yacht six was

841
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that sweet spot of having

842
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: a lot of just enough gun for a lot of critters,

843
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: but a manageable recoil that didn't cause bad shooting form.

844
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: So yep, yep, all right, let's dive into some range

845
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: finding monoculars. I've gotten this question quite a few times,

846
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: so excited to tackle it. So from j Hols eleven

847
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: on the homepage, we have Hello, Jannis and Jordan love

848
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: the podcast. Could you talk about the pros and cons

849
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: of range finding monoculars. I predominantly bow hunt and I

850
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: would love to hear about your thoughts on switching from

851
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 2: a traditional bino and rangefinder setup to a combined setup.

852
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Could you also give some advice on a few different

853
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: models of range finding buyos.

854
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: Well.

855
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: I've used both. I did use a range finding Bino

856
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: for everything quite quite a few This has been quite

857
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: a few years ago now, and I ended up going

858
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: back to not really going back. I still I have.

859
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: I have both and I can use both, which is nice.

860
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 2: I find myself for bow hunting going to a range

861
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: just a you know, a regular little rangefinder. Some of

862
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: that I think is and this isn't like across the board,

863
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: but a lot of times when you're putting a range

864
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: finder into your optics, sometimes your optics can get like

865
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: they might not do quite as well in low light,

866
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: Like you're just adding a lot of things that the

867
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: lens has to take or the glass has to take,

868
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: so your optical quality might go down a little bit.

869
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: And then they're just nicer to carry around a lot

870
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: of times as far as just your your little normal

871
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: rangefinder and uh for bow hunting, like you don't need

872
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: ten power a lot of times, and sometimes it's I

873
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: was on a stock one time where I had a

874
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: mule to your betted and he was at like forty

875
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: yards in my binoculars were ten powers and it was

876
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: almost a little goofy like trying to find him exactly

877
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: where he was betted, or just tried to pick up

878
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: on his antlers because it was like too much magnification.

879
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: And a lot of these range finders now they're six

880
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: the it's six power or their seven power, so they

881
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: give you quite a bit more field of view. It's

882
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: just a really hard one, Yanni. It kind of is

883
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: like a range finded by no. Like I've bow hunted

884
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: with them and they definitely work, but that's a bigger

885
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: object to move around and then try to I feel

886
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: like with a little rangefinder, especially with the tethers that

887
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the like the harnesses have, now you

888
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: can range and then you can just drop it, and

889
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: I feel like you can't always just do that with

890
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: a buy and no. Sometimes they just stick more in

891
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: the way when you just like let them flop on

892
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: your chest.

893
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yeah, totally, I think you. And

894
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: I asked the fellas at SIG about this, and I've

895
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: talked to the the people over at Vortex. So far,

896
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: it seems like with range finding binoculars and I have

897
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: not tried the Swarowski el range It's uh.

898
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: I had that one for years.

899
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, do you think that, because I know with

900
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: from the other companies, it seems as though to get

901
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: the the ability to do the display, to do the

902
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: and to range through that glass they aren't able to

903
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: use for some reason, and they can't combine the best

904
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: possible optic quality glass that they have with the rangefinder technology,

905
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: like I wish I could remember exactly what it was,

906
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: but the two aren't compatible. So I don't know if

907
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: it's the same for Swirrel, but for everybody else. You

908
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: can't buy their high end binocular with the with the

909
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: rangefinder capabilities built in. It's always going to be the

910
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: second tier glass with the rangefinder built in. We'll just

911
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: have to have someone on that can explain that to us.

912
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: But did you feel like with the el Range, were

913
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: you ever able to compare that to another swirrow and

914
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: say yes, it's less or it's yes, it's the same.

915
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Well, so one little thing with that, I'm I'm almost

916
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure on this. They told me one

917
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: time that the el Range actually has the SLC glass

918
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: in it, so it doesn't have that field flattening like

919
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: the els or I don't remember they call it, but

920
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: it's a field flattening that's supposed to eliminate the effect

921
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: of like curvature when you look through binoculars. So sometimes

922
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: when you look through binoculars you look at like a

923
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: telephone pole. Ar some it seems a little curved. Well,

924
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: that's just the shape of the lens and that's just

925
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: kind of the way it is. Well, Sworrow got away

926
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: from that somehow by making their els. But what I

927
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: understand is that the EL range actually has the SLC glass,

928
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: and at least at that time that was twenty thirteen,

929
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: twenty twelve something like that.

930
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: The SLC glass is still incredible glass.

931
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: Really good. Yeah yep. But likezing that range finder, you know,

932
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: it only went down to like thirty one yards or

933
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: something like that, which I didn't really find to be

934
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: a big limitter myself, because if I knew something was

935
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: thirty yards, it was pretty easy to figure out what

936
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: twenty was. But I can see the I can see

937
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: the appeal to wanting to have one that goes under thirty.

938
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, after using both of them, I don't mind using

939
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: the Well, I've used both the Vortex Furies and the SIGH.

940
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: I think it's the kilos right, Yeah. Range finding binoculars

941
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: on at least a half well the sake less maybe

942
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: two or three hunts of this for the sake and

943
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: ten hunts for the furies by Vortex, and I got

944
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: away with it. I still glassed off a tripod and

945
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: did it and made it happen for rifle hunts. But

946
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: in the end I thought, Man, I'm sitting here glassing

947
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: for hours. I want the best optical quality I can get,

948
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: the clearest picture that I can forward, that I can

949
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: get my hands on. That's what I'm gonna That's what

950
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for, because if I can't find the game,

951
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: then who cares? If I can range it? And so

952
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't mind having it separately. Now if I'm using

953
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: any company's high end glass and then having a separate

954
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: range finder, that's for rifle honting for bowl hunting. I've

955
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: never tried the range Fin binocular and I don't think

956
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: I will, mostly for the reason you were talking about.

957
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: When you're getting in tight, you need the least amount

958
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: of motion possible and just pulling up a little bitty

959
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: rangefinder and getting your range shooting it like like you said,

960
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: they're five and six power usually, so you're getting a

961
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: little bit of magnification. You can use that rangefinder to

962
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: pan around and look through some brush, see what the

963
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: animal is doing whatever. Ah, And it's uh yeah at

964
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: that point, and when I'm making those kind of close

965
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: range shots, I don't need binocular as anyon like you

966
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: were saying, you don't need tens tens that might be

967
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: too much, even eights at fifty yards is it's not

968
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: the time for for glassing, right, It's it's it's time

969
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: for ranging and then and then hopefully getting a shot off.

970
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stick for the time being. I'm sticking

971
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: with uh regular regular binoculars is the best I can

972
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: get my hands on. And then a range finder on

973
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: my side.

974
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I'm I'm really in the same boat. I

975
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: think rifle hunting, I'm more apt to taking a range

976
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: finding buy non with me, but you know where one

977
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: of those things really shines for me. And really the

978
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: reason that I got the EO ranges to start with

979
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: was is guiding. Then you're like you can range at

980
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: the same time, and then you're always in your byos

981
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: watching like if the hunter takes a shot, and I

982
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: know there's really you know, in the grain scheme of things,

983
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: there's not that many people that are guides, but like,

984
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: if you go with somebody a lot, it's nice to

985
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: be able to help call out ranges and be able

986
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: to stay in your in your powered glass. But that's

987
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: a small that's a small bit of a.

988
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not guides, but everybody hunts with friends

989
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: and buddies and family members and uh yeah, and again

990
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: it's probably more of a Western thing. It's I don't

991
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: find myself using needing to know how far that white

992
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: tail is away when I'm hunting in Wisconsin. It's just

993
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: never going to be that far away. Where we hunt,

994
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: we don't have giant ag feels where you actually could

995
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: shoot past a couple hundred But yeah, that's a good

996
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: point because when you're hunting with people, especially people you

997
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: don't know, like clients, the shot rings sometimes when you

998
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: are not expecting it, and it's nice to, like you said,

999
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: stay in the binos and be working two things at once. Yeah,

1000
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: we'll get more into deeper into the range finding binoculars

1001
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: on an upcoming episode. What you know when that comes up.

1002
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: So if you have more specific questions about arrange finding binoculars,

1003
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: get them to us. This one is from air Hunger

1004
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Underscore are in. I wonder what he or she meant

1005
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: by air hunger. I think that person is a nurse.

1006
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was a guest, they would be like

1007
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: a flight for lurse parlor flight or something. Yeah.

1008
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: Okay, well they ask when do you break out the

1009
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: old white gas stove or y'all canister rigs only?

1010
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: Dude. I've been nerding out on this as of late,

1011
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: actually trying to talk myself into buying a Whisper Light Universal,

1012
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: and I think have come to the conclusion that I'm

1013
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: just not going to do it. I've been around the

1014
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: white Gas or the Whisper Light Universal from MSR or

1015
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: not Universal, the International from Whisper Light a little bit,

1016
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: running white gas through them, and like, yes, the gas

1017
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: it's cheaper, which I think is a big reason that

1018
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: people like them is because your fuel just isn't gonna

1019
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: cost you as much as those canisters and the canisters

1020
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: can you know, they are kind of expensive if you're

1021
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: doing it a lot. I think a big draw to

1022
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: white gas or those like white gas type stove. Some

1023
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: of them you can run off all kinds of fuels

1024
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: you can run off of, like diesel fuel, fuel, kerosene,

1025
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: they all are like a little bit different, it seems.

1026
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: And also it seems like with running those different fuels,

1027
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: it's not really as easy as just hey, let's put

1028
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: the diesel fuel jet on and let's run diesel through it.

1029
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't it. They don't quite work and just

1030
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: fire up as easy as that. From the research that

1031
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: I did, white gas seems to be a lot better.

1032
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: But I think with the advances in canister stoves and

1033
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: they like a lot of those canister stoves have regulators

1034
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: on them now, and it seems like as long as

1035
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: you can keep that canister warm, they perform really good,

1036
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: even at elevation. So I don't know, I think with

1037
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: some of those better canister stoves, that's just the way

1038
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: to go for for like backpack hunting. They're easier, Like,

1039
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: they're way less bulky, they're way lighter, They're just like,

1040
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: especially for me, I like taking those things on the

1041
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: mountain in the middle of the day, like warming up

1042
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: some tea or something like that, and you're not doing

1043
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: that with a white gas stove at least not as easy.

1044
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, not as not as easy. It's crazy to say

1045
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: that I'm old enough that I don't know if for

1046
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: sure they weren't around, but they were definitely rare because

1047
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that I had a whisper

1048
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: light and then a dragonfly. I feel like I used

1049
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: those for solid decade before I even started thinking about

1050
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: the Uh that's kind of when jetbell came on the scene,

1051
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: was probably about a decade after I'd been in the

1052
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, backpacking, just regular backpack. I wasn't even backpack

1053
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: hunting at that point. But yeah, they worked. There's a

1054
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: there's definitely more of a learning curve using the white

1055
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: gas stove. You gotta to know just how much to

1056
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: let out to light, to prime the stove so that

1057
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: when you let out the pressurized gas that it'll ignite

1058
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: and burn. That gets tricky Oftentimes people let out too

1059
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: much gas in the beginning. You'll light it and you've

1060
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: got this giant fireball for the next thirty seconds. And

1061
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: depending on where you lit that, it could be problematic.

1062
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: I think the last time we used one was on

1063
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: a flight in Alaska, or sorry, on a haunt in Alaska,

1064
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: where the pilots wouldn't take canisters, they wouldn't take the

1065
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: compressed gas, so we still had to bring the white

1066
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: gas stove. I think it was on THENT the caribou

1067
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: hunt we did with Doug Dertn and Mark Kanyon, And yeah,

1068
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: they weren'd fine in that situation. It was more of

1069
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: a base camp we had to be like, so everything

1070
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: was getting flown in, but they weren't fine. Like you said,

1071
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: they have a regulator on them, which is a thing

1072
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: that the canister stoles for a long time didn't have.

1073
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: But now they have them as well, so you can

1074
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: turn it down, do some low simmering if you need

1075
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: to do something like that. The big, the big drawback

1076
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: I find the canisters. It seems like I've always got

1077
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: a half or a quarter canister, and yeah, you can

1078
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: weigh it and and sort of eyeball it, and it

1079
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: tells you how much you've got left. But who really

1080
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: wants to go even on a three or four day

1081
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: or with a half of a canister? Right You're like,

1082
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take that risk. You're gonna have a

1083
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: full one. I try to use up my halfers and

1084
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: whatnot either when I'm going with multiple people and I

1085
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: know we're gonna cycle through a few. But like you said,

1086
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: for on the mountain, midday, warm drink or if you're

1087
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna eat a house on the mountain and then come

1088
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: back to the truck. There's nothing wrong with being out

1089
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: there with a quarter of a of a you know,

1090
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: a take, because if it goes out, well, you're going

1091
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: to the truck anyways, at the end of the day.

1092
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: But that's a great way to use all the gas

1093
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: that's in there.

1094
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part. Definitely the last five years,

1096
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: I'd say I've been canister only.

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01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: They're just easier, man. I mean, I think a big

1098
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: draw to the white gas is the fuel is less

1099
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: expensive if you're doing it a lot. But man, I

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01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: one scenario that ran through my mind was like waking

1101
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: up early, rolling over, Like usually I just go like

1102
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: start some water. I even like prep the night before,

1103
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: put some water in my cup and just have it

1104
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: ready to go, so first thing when I wake up,

1105
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: I can strike it and ready to rock on coffee

1106
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: or tea or whatever pretty soon in water for breakfast

1107
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: and whatever. And I just have this thought of messing

1108
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: around and trying to like prime my white gas stove,

1109
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 2: getting too much in there, and then lighten, lighten the whole,

1110
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: lighten myself on fire. So I just think that the

1111
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: canister stows are going to be better for what we're doing, Like,

1112
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 2: you know what, the kind of hunting that we're doing.

1113
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: I guess if I was a backpacking guide all summer

1114
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: and then I was a backpack hunting guide for half

1115
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: the fall until it got too too bad to be

1116
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: out there all you know, snow got too deep for

1117
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: backpack hunting, and it was seriously one hundred days on

1118
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: the ground, I could see considering it for those reasons. Right,

1119
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: It's easy, you just you would come back. All you

1120
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: need is a gallon jug of white gas, fill up

1121
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: the container that you're going to pack with, and you're

1122
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: out the door. You're rocking and rolling. But for me,

1123
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: if I really am honest about it, I'm gonna get

1124
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: a spring bear hunt where I'm gonna do some backpacking.

1125
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to backpack with my family twice this summer,

1126
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: and then in the fall I'll probably get This fall

1127
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: is actually kind of light like right now I only

1128
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: have one for sure backpack hunt. I'm trying to work

1129
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: in another one. So what does that add up to

1130
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: twenty days sleeping in the dirt, you know, full on

1131
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: out of the backpack. Maybe a few more. It's just

1132
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: not my I'm not in the position right now to

1133
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: run a hundred like a guide would, So I think

1134
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not gonna burn that much money buying

1135
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: the canisters for those twenty days.

1136
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that answer, all right.

1137
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Continuing on the backpacking subject, what pieces of backpacking gear

1138
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: can you absolutely justify spending more for less weight? By more,

1139
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 1: he means more money for less weight as in pounds

1140
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: and ounces. That's from entertained underscore mats on Insta. That's

1141
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: not his fans only handle, that's just as regular. I

1142
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: don't know I'm joking with that. But what do you

1143
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: think where can you spend money Jordan to actually get

1144
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,440
Speaker 1: less weight? Where is it worthwhile?

1145
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: With backpacking stuff? I think you're sleeping bag, sleeping pad,

1146
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: your tent. A lot of those things seem to just

1147
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 2: come with if you wanna, if you want to go

1148
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: to a to a tent or something like that, that's

1149
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 2: in the you know, three pounds, even sub three pounds.

1150
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: You want a sleeping bag or a quilt or whatever,

1151
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: that's going to be in the one and a half pound.

1152
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: Like they just for that higher quality fill, they just

1153
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: cost more. And but with that you're also getting, in

1154
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: my mind, a better product and probably a warmer product

1155
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: as well.

1156
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, one hundred percent. I did a little extra

1157
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: research on this one. Talk to my wife about it,

1158
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: who spent maybe more days sleep in the back country

1159
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: than I have. And then a couple of friends who

1160
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: are real hardcore not only into backpack and backpack hunting,

1161
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: but when they backpack they like to do the ultra

1162
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: light thing, and they definitely said that it's the Big

1163
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: three is where you can actually see a demonstrable difference

1164
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: in weight by spending more money. That's gonna be your tent,

1165
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: your shelter, your backpack, and your sleeping bag pads. It's

1166
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of hard. I mean, yeah, you can drop a

1167
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: little bit of weight, but in the in the big three,

1168
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,839
Speaker 1: you can spend more money and easily drop a pound,

1169
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: sometimes more. And again it depends on time of year

1170
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: that you're going. If you're backpacking in July and August,

1171
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: no chance of snow. I mean, I don't want to

1172
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: say no, it snows in the Rockies every month of

1173
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: the year. But you can have an ultra light shelter

1174
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: that weighs a pound. You can be in a sleeping

1175
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 1: bag that keeps you only warmth down to twenty twenty

1176
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: five because it's July and August, and your backpack can

1177
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: be you know, nothing more than a than a satchel

1178
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: with a couple of straps on it, right, because you're

1179
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna be hauling any meat out right.

1180
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,440
Speaker 1: But when we get into talking about it for hunting specifically,

1181
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: we usually start if you are starting in August, you're

1182
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: up way up north somewhere, which you could be getting

1183
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: into inclement weather. But down here in the lower forty

1184
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: eight it's gonna most likely be September. But even then,

1185
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, you never know when snow is going to

1186
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: roll in. You gotta prepared for that kind of stuff.

1187
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: But still, those big three, that's where you can spend

1188
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: a little more money. And like I said, like you said, Jordan,

1189
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: you're not only getting lighter equipment, but you're definitely gonna

1190
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: get better quality equipment that if you take care of it,

1191
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: excuse me, if you take care of it, it should

1192
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: last longer. And you might say, oh, man, if there's

1193
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: only three things and it's only a pounds apiece, that's

1194
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: only three pounds, Well, man, three pounds, that's a day

1195
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: and a half of food that you just either gave

1196
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: yourself that extra ability to stay longer or you know,

1197
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: do it less. So the way I look at it,

1198
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: it's I can still remember one of my first big

1199
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: backcountry elk hunts by myself. I knew where the elk were,

1200
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: I knew right where I was going me it was

1201
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna be no brainer. My first morning, I was gonna

1202
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: list into bugles and get in on him. And I

1203
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: dropped in off this ridge after spending the night. First morning,

1204
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: had all my camp on my back, going full campaign style,

1205
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: drop in there, and bulls are bugling. I started chasing

1206
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: a bull and going downhill. It was no big deal.

1207
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: I just remember hitting the creek and then the bull

1208
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: was up the drainage. So all of a sudden I

1209
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: had to go uphill and I went about fifteen minutes maybe,

1210
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: and I realized, Okay, my pack is way too heavy

1211
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: to be actually hunting and carrying everything on my back.

1212
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: At that moment, I had to drop my pack. I'm like, okay,

1213
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: take some stuff out, take camp out. I'm gonna reassess

1214
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: and go hunt elk, and I'm gonna have to have

1215
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: more of a come back to camp. Situation because I'm

1216
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: just too heavy. Now, with what I've learned over the

1217
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: years and stripped that weight down big time, I feel

1218
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: like I could chase that elk still not as fasts

1219
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: I would be able to do with just a day pack,

1220
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: but do a pretty good job at it. Actually, I'll

1221
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: be hunting that elk in the mountains with camp on

1222
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: my back and then be able to again. The goal

1223
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: here is is that it gets dark, you barely have

1224
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: to move off. You just get in a place where

1225
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: the elk can't smell you through the course of darkness,

1226
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 1: and you sleep right there. There's no hiking back miles

1227
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: hours to get back to all your stuff.

1228
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that can be a huge

1229
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: advantage and along with saving some weight, like I almost

1230
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 2: see a bigger not a bigger advantage, but maybe like

1231
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 2: more so of an advantage of your saving a lot

1232
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: of bulk. Usually Oh yeah, some of that stuff just

1233
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: packs down better and it's just smaller, and it just

1234
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: it's a lot nicer to pack, especially with taking it

1235
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: in and out of your backpack every day.

1236
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: Yep. So there you go. I would absolutely justify spending

1237
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: the money there, and then you can keep going down

1238
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: the lightweight rabbit hole when you want. Okay, So that

1239
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: on that question segues very well into this one. Tell

1240
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: me one area of your back country kid, where you

1241
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: always stay minimalist, in another area where you are willing

1242
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: to carry extra weight. I try to save weight in

1243
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: my entire sleep system so I can carry multiple optics

1244
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 1: for glassing intensive hunts. That question came from read Hamar

1245
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: or hammer Hamar on Instagram. What do you think, Jordan?

1246
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: What do you like to be lightweight so you can

1247
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: carry weight somewhere else?

1248
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, after I read this question, I was like, huh, Yeah,

1249
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: it seems like it's never I'm never trying to shave

1250
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: weight down on my spotting scope because it just kind

1251
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: of is what it is, you know. But it seems

1252
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 2: like I have a lot more options to try to

1253
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: save weight in like tripods to a certain extent, or

1254
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 2: like just exactly like he said, my sleep system. I

1255
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: feel like, over the last few years have tried to

1256
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: really refine my sleep system and try to get stuff

1257
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: that was lighter weight, just thinking about that more more

1258
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: so in the front of my mind. But but going

1259
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: down on like my optics, I've never really tried to

1260
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: go to lose weight on my optics because I always

1261
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 2: want to have those things with me because they're important.

1262
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I really agree with him.

1263
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with Reid, And I don't think

1264
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: I can point to one specific spot in my backcountry

1265
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: kit where I'm trying to lend at the way I'm

1266
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: doing it really for the same reasons as hunters were

1267
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: going in there. On my sheep hunt, I ran into

1268
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: some backpackers and man, they were living large. They're hanging

1269
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: at the same lake that I was hanging out and

1270
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: whether I was using sort of as a base camp,

1271
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: and I could actually see some sheep from this lake sometimes.

1272
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: But these guys had like they weren't yetty thermoss but

1273
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: some bigger cup thermos thing. They had flannel shirts for

1274
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: just chilling around camp, you know, looking all comfy, a

1275
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: big tin, I mean the kind of tent where you

1276
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: can stand up in two people. I mean, absolutely luxurious.

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01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: And they were long ways in there. I mean we

1278
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: were I think that that lake was seven to nine

1279
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: miles depending on the trailhead you used. But for me,

1280
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: because I had to have I couldn't do that hunt

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: without at least one pair of binos. I only did

1282
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: one pair, a really nice spotting scope that had to

1283
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: go on a substantial and sturdy tripod, a rifle ammunition.

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01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: I guess I would say those are the main things

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: that those guys weren't carrying that I that I have

1286
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: to carry, right, And I think on a hunt versus

1287
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: a backpack trip, that's what you're there for. You're there

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01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: to find that animal, kill that animal, execute, get the

1289
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: job done right. You're not there to just you know,

1290
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: bag the peek or hang out, enjoy the scenery. All

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01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: that is part of it, and I enjoy it. But

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: again because I mean that between my rifle and spider binoculars,

1293
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: just doing quick math in my head, but I'm guessing

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: it's fifteen pounds easy, if not pushing twenty. And it's hard, hard,

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 1: like you said, to drop any kind of weight there,

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01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: So everything else is it's just super minimalless. I think

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: if I had to point to one place where, over

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01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: the years, and even over the course of just the

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01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: season sometimes or even the course of one hunt, if

1300
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: you're going back to the truck to restock on food

1301
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: and then coming back into the woods clothing, is a

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01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: place where I think that people early on carry way

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: too much. You don't have to have that flannel shirt

1304
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: for kicking around camp. You don't have to have that

1305
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: extra People have a lot of redundancy in their clothing.

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: And on that same sheep hunt, the last day we

1307
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: went in and again we were watching the weather. We

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01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: had had beautiful weather, The weather was going to stay

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01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: beautiful for another seven days. When I repacked, I was

1310
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: way lighter than when I started, because I went in

1311
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: with a bass layer, like a wick bass layer, the

1312
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: thinnest one first Light makes, and an synthetic puffy jacket

1313
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: and uncle progrey puffy. That's all I had for a top.

1314
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: And then I had a pair of boxer shorts and

1315
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: a pair of I think they are the Corugate Foundry

1316
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: pants that I was hunting him. And I probably had

1317
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: a pair of socks on and an extra Para sos

1318
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: in my backpack. I didn't have extra underwear. I didn't

1319
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: have extra shirts. Yeah, you know, at most we're going

1320
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 1: to be out for five days. You can make it

1321
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 1: and be stinky. It's okay to be stinky a little.

1322
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: And again, nobody really stinks that bad. After five days

1323
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: of crazy hunting. Just deal with it. It'll be fine.

1324
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: Those clothes, Sure they get a little stinky, they get

1325
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: a little crusty, but I feel like they're in clothing

1326
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: at least for me, was the easiest place to start

1327
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: chipping away at serious it gains because when you take

1328
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: if you go from carrying forced pairs of socks to

1329
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: two pairs of socks, three or four pairs of underwear

1330
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 1: down to one uh, back up you know long John's

1331
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: for top and bottom, all this stuff, yeah, yeah, or yeah,

1332
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: you've got the rain jacket and the puffy and this,

1333
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: but the forecast hasn't call for any rain for seven days.

1334
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: You know what, your synthetic puffy. If it drizzles a

1335
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 1: little bit, you'll be fine. Set up your tart, but

1336
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: get out of the weather if you have to, You'll

1337
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: you'll be fine. Like you just have to be willing

1338
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: to endure just a little bit of uh, you know

1339
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: that the bad stuff. But I feel like that's the place, yeah,

1340
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: if you if you can, if if you really want

1341
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: a place where you can shave, it's probably there.

1342
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think he made a really good point

1343
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: too about it's not just trying to figure out what

1344
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 2: else you can buy to shave the weight, especially if

1345
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: you're just starting out. It's just ditching stuff out of

1346
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: your pack all together. It's not yeah yeah, and you

1347
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: know you don't need a leatherman. Probably the.

1348
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 1: Leatherman' is a tough one man, because there are times

1349
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: when that little sucker those pliers are so nice or

1350
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: a screwdriver is so nice, and you have to you

1351
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: gotta if you're in there, you have to have the

1352
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: tools to take care of whatever gear you have, especially

1353
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 1: if you're that cheap point. We're in there often seven

1354
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 1: to nine miles back until you know, far from the truck,

1355
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: and if all of a sudden the scope sluse, you

1356
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 1: can't just tighten it down and then shoot a shoot

1357
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: a stump and rezero your rifle in right, you have

1358
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: to go back to the truck. And that's a full

1359
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: day round trip. You got to go seven to nine

1360
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: each way. So yeah, I hear you. The leather man

1361
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 1: is a heavy little.

1362
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is. And you know they make cool

1363
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: ones now, they're like the skeletol and like super lightweight stuff.

1364
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 2: Another thing too, if you're bow hunting, like just take

1365
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 2: the Allen ranches that you need that you know things

1366
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 2: perfectly you don't have to take the one that has

1367
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: fifteen of them that flip out. Yeah, man, there's kind

1368
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: there's we could just talk about this forever because it's

1369
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: it's ever evolving for me, it's ever evolving for you,

1370
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 2: and we've been doing it a long time.

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01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, you you hit the nail on the head.

1372
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna The easiest way to cut down your pack

1373
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: instead of buying more expensive shit is just get rid

1374
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: of shit. Okay that this rolls right into this one.

1375
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: What total pack weight and all gear weight are you

1376
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: happy with for five to day five to seven day

1377
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,799
Speaker 1: sheep hunt in the mountains in September. I'm just looking

1378
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: for ballpark questions sent in by Jordan Cuttbill on the Instagram.

1379
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jordan?

1380
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: You know the last sheep hunt I went on that

1381
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 2: I actually weighed. I was just filming and I had

1382
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: four nights of food with me, and I think I

1383
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: was at forty five pounds. That was actually with a

1384
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: spot in a tripod because I was filming through a

1385
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 2: spotting scope and that was a big scope too. I

1386
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: was in ninety five, So that's what I was at

1387
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: there when I went on my sheep hunt in Alaska,

1388
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 2: I was quite a bit more. I was up pretty

1389
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: I think I was pretty close to sixty. And that's

1390
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: something I wanted to touch on, just like super quick

1391
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 2: from this last one about staying minimalists, and like when

1392
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 2: you were talking about you got to be a little

1393
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: careful what you bring because you also have to pack

1394
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: things out, and you know that was great. On my

1395
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: sheep hunt, I was sixty pounds. I was really in shape.

1396
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: I felt good about that. But dude, on the way out,

1397
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: like there was no going back for another trip, Like

1398
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: we were all splitting the sheep up and making one

1399
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: trip out, and my pack was one hundred and four pounds,

1400
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: Like it could have not been one hundred and four

1401
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 2: pounds if I'd have left my spotty scope at home.

1402
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: But that was a trip that I was like, gosh,

1403
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like I can leave that thing

1404
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 2: at home on a sheep hunt. So there are other

1405
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 2: things that I think I probably could have left and

1406
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: got along without. But be thinking about what you're gonna

1407
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 2: have to carry out too with that.

1408
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's always uh, it's always given take. Like

1409
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: we've talked about it before the book. Now, it's not

1410
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: that big a deal because you can just download a

1411
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: book onto your phone. But before a book, yeah you're

1412
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: and you were stuck in a tent for two or

1413
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: three days on that hunt. Everybody would have paid big

1414
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 1: dollars to have a book in their hands to read,

1415
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: and you'd be happy to pack that thing out. But

1416
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: if it's beautiful weather and you just pack around that

1417
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: extra pound for a week, yeah you're not happy. I

1418
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: guess at that point. I hate to say it, but

1419
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: you could always burn it. I'm not promoting burning books,

1420
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, for my sheep punt again, this is ballpark,

1421
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: and this is a good thing to remember. For food,

1422
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: most people are gonna eat about two pounds of food

1423
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: a day. That's what it takes to stay in a

1424
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: I think in a plus space where you're not burning,

1425
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, more than you can consume. So that's usually

1426
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: what I plan for. So when I went in for

1427
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: five days, I had ten pounds of food. All my

1428
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 1: gear in my pack with the ten pounds of food

1429
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: was forty six pounds, So gear was thirty six Food

1430
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: was ten pounds. That did not count water, the clothing

1431
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: that I had on, and then the gear that I

1432
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: had on my body and The clothing that I was

1433
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: wearing came in at twenty pounds, and that included rifle, ammunition, binoculars, hat, pants, boots, etc.

1434
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like I did pretty good at that point.

1435
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the only way you're gonna get less

1436
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: is if you go. Kurt Roscoe was a founder of

1437
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Stone Glacier. You can go his style where you don't

1438
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: bring the stove, you don't bring the fuel, and you

1439
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: eat cold food. That's good dropping You're dropping weight there.

1440
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: You just have to be cool with always eating and

1441
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 1: drinking cold. You can listen to a whole podcast about

1442
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: that on the Meter podcast just search Kurt Roscoe. I

1443
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: think we called it the Hardest Hunt maybe, And that's

1444
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: where some feller wrote in and said that guy is

1445
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: harder than Woodpecker lips he is, He's pretty hard.

1446
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: Well. That uh, that was good, Yanni. We we really

1447
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody writing in and asking questions. We like answering him.

1448
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: It's a really good way to kind of let you

1449
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: guys decide where the conversation goes. So if you have

1450
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: any more questions that you would like to hear or

1451
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: topics you would like covered, send him to gear Talk

1452
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: at themeeater dot com, or you can just send him

1453
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 2: to us on our Instagram pages. Mine's at Jordan dot Bud,

1454
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: Yanni's is at Jannis Underscore. Tell us pretty sure it's

1455
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 2: an underscore. I think I asked that every single time

1456
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: I do this, all right, I need to look at

1457
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 2: it and uh yeah. Then you can also, don't forget

1458
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: to go over to the meat eater dot com, hit

1459
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 2: the podcast tab, hit gear talk, and then on the

1460
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 2: individual episodes you can comment directly on them as well

1461
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: to ask questions about that episode, or wherever you feel

1462
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 2: you can ask for questions for the next Q and A.

1463
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: So that's all I got, Yanni. I hope you guys

1464
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 2: have a good time tracking lions the last day.

1465
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yep, we're gonna We're gonna give it our best

1466
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: one more time and hopefully I'll have a not too

1467
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: crazy but crazy being that I got to look at

1468
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: a mountain lion story next time.

1469
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, See everybody,