1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Join now on Radio row Here at the NFL Combine. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Jim Nagie is our guest now executive director of the 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl. He's also an eighteen year NFL scout, 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: six times Super Bowl participant, and hosted that Lombardi four times. 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Mister Naggie, how are you, sir? I'm great guy. It's 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: gonna be back in Indie. Absolutely so the Senior Bowl 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks back, watched from Afar. Watched the 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: game obviously. How much of a success was it for you? 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: What defines a successful Senior Bowl for you? Well, well, 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: that'll be determined in late April when our guys getting drafted. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, logistically it appeared to be yeah, let's just 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: hop notch. Yeah. It was good, man, it's good. The 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: players were great. We had a new coaching format this year, 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: so that was a little bit of unknown, like what's 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: this going to look like? What are we going to 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: get through this? But it was great. It was fun. 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: We had you know, we had thirty coaches from sixteen 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: non playoff teams and they did a great job. You know, 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: they were mostly younger guys and they were excited about 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: the roles there were in and a couple of coordinator 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: was elevated to head coaching spots and they were fired 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: up to do what they were doing. So yeah, there's 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot of fun when when the guys are coached 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: up by actual NFL coaches. I mean, can you see it? 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: Can you see it translating on the field, Like guys 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: eyes are wide open, maybe being coached harder or differently, 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: and they get the perspective of this is how it's 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: going to be coached and taught to me at the 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: next level. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of great 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: coaches at the college level, you know, especially depending on 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: where these guys are coming from them. I mean there's 32 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that were coached by former NFL 33 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: coaches in college. But I understand the question. Yeah, definitely, No, 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: that's part of the value of the Senior Bowls being 35 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: being down on the field and like especially during one 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: on ones when those guys lose a rep, like on 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: the old line D line one on ones and they're 38 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: going and gets the same guy a second time. So 39 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: you really want to look key in on like Kenny take, 40 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: because there's always a coaching point, you know, if an 41 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: offensive lineman sets wrong or you know, times is punch 42 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: wrong or whatever it might be. Can he take that, 43 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: apply that coaching point. Can he take the coaching and 44 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: can you learn from the guy in front of him right, 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: that made that mistake right? And you want to see 46 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is like for any scout, Tuesday is 47 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: always kind of a throwaway day. To me, I tell 48 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: the players that, like any scout where there's weight, you know, 49 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: isn't really overvalue in Tuesday because most of these guys, 50 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: some of these guys haven't been in PAD since November. Yeah, 51 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: but you want to see him get better every day, 52 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: like Wednesday should be better than Tuesday, and so on 53 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: and so forth, and then peeking the game and that's 54 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: and that that part of that is taking the coaching. 55 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: Now part of this, you know, you spend so much 56 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: time in the NFL and now your hands on at 57 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Is there one area where you just 58 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, the week of this is the one part 59 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: that I am so looking forward to getting my hands 60 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: on and watching among everything else. Is there one part 61 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl you're like, this is this is 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: my time? Well? I always say that player arrival days 63 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: my favorite day of the year because you know, we 64 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: spend so much time. We're already scout in twenty twenty 65 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: four right now, right, so you know it's like a 66 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: year round thing. So when we get them to Mobile 67 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and they get off the bus, I give all these 68 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: guys a big hug and I welcome to Mobile. But 69 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: then really I'm kind of lying, like my favorite day 70 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: is seeing them all out on the field with the 71 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: different helmets on, and you know, like there's just something 72 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: that's of course, kind of like that little kid me 73 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: when I was little, used to love the Pro Bowl. 74 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, huh, and I was a 75 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: big Lions fans. We didn't have a lot of Pro bowlers. Um, 76 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: you know, you could count on Barry Sanders being there 77 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: here and that's Herman Moore. Maybe that's about it. Yeah, 78 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: but no, it's it's just what once we get them 79 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: down in the field that first day and they're in 80 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: their stuff and they're they're banging a little bit, that's 81 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: that's a blast. Yeah, That's why I love the MLB 82 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: all start. Yeah, back when they used to wear instead 83 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: of the uh, the a L uniform or the NL uniform. Right, 84 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: why do we do that? Right? Look, cool, because is 85 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: it really merchandising or allow who's buying? Are people really 86 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: buying like a Mike Trout American leg We're gonna wear 87 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: it one time, right, and then it becomes a relic 88 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. Okay. Now, when you hear of the NFL, 89 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: or I should say the NFLPA. When you hear comments 90 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: like from Demorris Smith downplaying the importance of the combine, 91 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: your event kind of bleeds in or leads into the combine, 92 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: what's your reaction to let's just do regional pro days 93 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: and downplay the importance of putting to the ringer here. Yeah, 94 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: to me, it's just guys that haven't been in it now, 95 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: guys that haven't been on the inside. This is a 96 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: this is a great event. Um, I will. I don't 97 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: want to speak on behalf of an entire community of people, 98 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: but the Scout's love coming in Indianapolis, man, this is 99 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: where it should be. Yeah, Um, every year, this shouldn't be. 100 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: This shouldn't be messed with. Jeff Foster, who runs this event, 101 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: does an unbelievable job. Um doesn't get enough credit. I 102 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: mean in terms of the football landscape, Jeff's got a 103 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: big job and Uh, this is this is the best 104 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: host city and this there's a ton of value to 105 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: this event, you know, outside the medicals and the interviews. 106 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: I mean that's the most important thing for the teams, 107 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: but the testing is all part of it too. So no, 108 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: this is this is a big deal. I don't I 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: don't see why any group of people would be looking 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: to change this. Why why do you think he doesn't 111 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: seemingly understand that. I don't know, man, I don't know. 112 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: I've never met him. Um, I just know I can 113 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: speak to my you know, twenty years in the NFL 114 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: and in the way that our club's valued this thing, right, 115 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: it's a big part of the process. How many guys 116 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl shine did well, that maybe got 117 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: la eight invitations to this here'll combine. Yeah, there's really 118 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: no late invites anymore because there was a couple of guys, 119 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: so we had we had one hundred and twenty four 120 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: guys from the Senior Bowl get combined invites. I think 121 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: we had five that did not, okay, and like one 122 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: of them is Carl Brooks, a d lineman from Bowling 123 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: Green who you know part of our process too. We 124 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: scouted with our staff and we had nine former NFL 125 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: scouts on our staff this year. And uh, but part 126 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: of it is in November, once we're ready to once 127 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: we feel good about our grades, we do great sharing calls. 128 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: We I mean, I'll call my guys with the Colts 129 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: and we'd share grades and we talk about players and um, 130 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Carl's going to be a fourth or fifth round pick. 131 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: We had a linebacker from Jackson State, Aubrey Miller, who's 132 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: um lit it up during Senior Bowl week and I 133 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: actually called Jeff. I called Jeff Foster after when I 134 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: heard Aubrey didn't have an invite, and uh it was 135 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: the day after they had set the dead down. Yeah, 136 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and uh so it's it's unfortunate, but I understand because 137 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: we put on a similar type event. You got to 138 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: look at the little things like that they've ordered all 139 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: the uniforms, right, like all the workout gear that have 140 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: like DL fourteen. If you add a guy in the 141 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: deal for in the D line group, that changes that 142 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: whole order, you know. So there's a lot of things 143 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: that people don't think about. So I understand what Jeff 144 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: has to do, but yeah, it's unfortunate. I wish there 145 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: was a period, like after all Star Games, really given 146 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: an opportunity for some of those guys that show out. 147 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: I mean that the hardest part. I mean, you think 148 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: about all these guys that you know, ultimately their goal 149 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: is to make it to the NFL, and you know, 150 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: part of it is showcasing your talents at all. Is 151 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: that probably the hardest part of the job is leaving 152 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: some of these guys out. I mean for you know, 153 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: for whether it's Combine, whether it's a Senior Bowl. Yeah 154 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: it is. And again, like we we've really tried to 155 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: build traction on social media over the last five years. 156 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: That's where we've made a big mark. I mean, I 157 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: think our first year we're at forty million impressions. This 158 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: year we're went over four hundred million impressions. Wow, So 159 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, and part of that it's really been focused 160 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: on the players and educating those guys about the value 161 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl. But I never like to lead 162 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: kids along, you know, Like I'm never going to post 163 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: stuff about a player that I don't think as a 164 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: legit chance. And yeah, and there's a lot of guys 165 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: that we really like as players that we just don't 166 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: have room for on the rosters. So again, a lot 167 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: of these guys their dream is to play in the 168 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl a lot in and come here to Indy. 169 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, like getting that moment getting down in the 170 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: starting blocks on your forty and knowing that the eyes 171 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: of all eyes are on you. Like that's all these 172 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: kids dream about that. So, yeah, you hope they You 173 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: wish they all had that opportunity. That's Jim Nage with us, 174 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl. Now, I know 175 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, all of them were not 176 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, but you've evaluated these quarterbacks taking 177 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: a peek at him, which guys sort of stand out 178 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: on were pop on tape if you will. So yeah, 179 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: you know it's a really different group. Um there's like 180 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the Baskin Robbins group. There's all these different flavors of guys. 181 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: There's not they're they're all different. Um I was, you know. 182 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I one cool part about the Senior Bowl job is 183 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: I can go to the manning camp every summer like 184 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: NFL employees can't go to that. So I've enjoyed enjoyed that. 185 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: That's a little that's a little perk of the new job. 186 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: But Anthony Richardson and from Florida and Will Levis from 187 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: Kentucky were both there and they were I said it 188 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: at the time, like they were heading shoulders physically better 189 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: than everyone else. Um Stroud wasn't there from Ohio State. 190 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Bryce Young was there right and trying to say in 191 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker was there, but he couldn't throw. He got 192 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: popped in the face and a workout one of his 193 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: teammates came up under. So anyway, he had stitches and 194 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: mouth surgery and all that stuff. Breaking news. But but 195 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Levis and Richardson have pretty unique tool stuff. I mean, 196 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, I was. I went and spoke to the 197 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: team at Florida in the spring and stuck around a 198 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: couple of days for practice. Like, holy cow, he's got 199 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: everything you could want. Now the tape, there's some stuff 200 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: that needs to be cleaned up. I think that's pretty 201 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: well known. But I mean, to me, of this group 202 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: and CJ's, I've seen CJS Stroud throw it in person. 203 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: He can really just throw it. I don't know is 204 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: he throwing here in Indy? Do we know that? Yeah? 205 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: I think the only one that's not is is Bryce Okay, 206 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: so so CJ's gonna wild people throwing the football. I 207 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: saw him in a camp in Santa Monica a couple 208 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: of summers ago and then and to me, Bryce Young's 209 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: got the best tape in my opinion, I mean in 210 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: terms of just like playing the position, having feel. Everyone 211 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: talks about the poison all that he just you know, 212 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: he is small. I get it. Um So there's a 213 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: little bit of roll the dice there with with Bryce, 214 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: but man, can he play quarterback? Yeah? I mean we're 215 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: sitting here with the context of the Colts in the background. 216 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: They're sitting there with the fourth overall pick. I mean, 217 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: we've talked to a lot of people, Jim, and you 218 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: get varying opinions obviously on how they feel about Anthony Richardson. 219 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: For you, how real would the possibility be for you 220 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: to consider heavily consider Richardson with a top four pick. 221 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Man's that's a stretch to me, obviously, guys. So m 222 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: billion Apier actually reached out when Anthony was trying to 223 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: make his decision and wanted to wanted to see if 224 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I could talk to him about like my thoughts, and 225 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: in the consensus that he got back and Billy knows 226 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the NFL too. I think 227 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: the consensus was, is he ready to come out this year? 228 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: Probably not. But if he comes out, is he falling 229 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: out of the first round. No, So if you're Anthony 230 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: Richards City, you know you're gonna go in the first round. 231 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: So it's really does he need time? Yeah? He needs time, man, 232 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, right now, the NFL is not a developmental league, 233 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: especially at quarterback, Like these guys are just getting thrown 234 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: out there and it's a sink or swim position. Look 235 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: at I mean, there's no greater I mean, look at 236 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson right now in New York. Right we're two 237 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: years removed and his career is kind of in the balance. So, um, 238 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it's tough, man, It's tough. But now I'll say this, Um, 239 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: I worked for the Kansas City Chiefs for for four 240 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: years and we never drafted a quarterback. In the last 241 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: year I was there, it was the it was the 242 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck RG three, Tannehill, Russell Wilson Drive twelve and 243 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: we didn't take one that year and that year we 244 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: go two and fourteen. So I mean, if you're a 245 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: team that needs a quarterback, at some point you gotta 246 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: take one. And I know the quotes have done the 247 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: vet thing for a while, so I know there's some 248 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: urgency and some push from the fan base to take one. 249 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: So that's I mean, Chris, this is a man. This 250 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: is this is why Chris makes the big bucks man. 251 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: This is a This is a big decision. I mean 252 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: how much goes into it making sure you have extreme 253 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: confidence and extreme believability that we make this bold of 254 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: a decision. I mean jobs are on the line, right, 255 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, wivelihood at stake here on this one position 256 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: in terms of getting it right. I mean how many 257 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: things go into making sure they put themselves in the 258 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: best position as possible. Yeah, you can't. You can't put 259 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: enough resources into it. I mean, because the tape is 260 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the tape, But you really, I mean that that quarterback position. 261 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: You got to find out everything, man, You gotta figure out. 262 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: You canna watch the tape, but you gotta get with 263 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: their coaching staff and sit and watch it with them 264 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: and ask them, Okay, what was he and watching with 265 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: him too, but like watching with the player, watching with 266 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: some of the Florida guys, Yeah, okay, what were you 267 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: asking him to do? Here, what was the read you know, 268 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: what was the adjustment on this? Just to like figure 269 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: that part out, like where is he mentally? Is he close? Mentally? 270 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: Is they're not even close? Yeah? Um, you know the 271 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: physical stuff's the physical stuff. But I mean when you're 272 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: trying to be shoulder being the face of a franchise, right, 273 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes like are they mature enough? 274 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: Like that's a huge part of it too. I mean, 275 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: how how deep does it go? I mean are we 276 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: calling little league coaches or like old lunch ladies to 277 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: see how they acted in the area. I have called, Yes, 278 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: I have. I have have been to like youth football coaches. 279 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: Ye have taught the lunch lady. They are always a 280 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: great source. No, you gotta try to get to know. 281 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: You gotta try to find the to find the people 282 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: barber that cuts their hair, the people that the people 283 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: that quote unquote can't do anything for them, right. So, um, 284 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: equipment guys are great sources because they see him in 285 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: that they see first of all, they see them amongst 286 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: their peers. They see them like how they act in 287 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: internect And then you can tell how high maintenance a 288 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: guy is. If you talk to you equipment. Yeah, there coming, 289 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: who's coming for extra gloves every week? And who wants 290 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: a new pair of shoes every game? Like who wants 291 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: to get spatted every game? Like, there's so gotta look good. Yeah, 292 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: those guys, I mean, you can't. You can't exhaust it enough. 293 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: All right, take us back to mobile. Who who are 294 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: the guys we're gonna be hearing real early in this 295 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: draft to be to be keeping our eyes on. Well, 296 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: there's a guy in your backyard. I just posted about 297 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: him on Twitter, so he's freshly on my mind. But 298 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: I'll bring up the name that I mispronounced the most. Uh. 299 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Northwestern's got a dt at a tami at a barre. Oh. 300 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: I was just telling mad about this. That guy is massive, 301 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: he is, and he played mostly on the edge Western, 302 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: so you didn't see him inside a lot, so I know. 303 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: I talked to Pat Fitzgerald. You know, this was a 304 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: weird year like for trying to get guys for All 305 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Star Games because NAL now like they're trying to get 306 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: guys back and they're trying to pay him to come back. 307 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: So um, he was like two seventy five, two eighties. 308 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: This year they were going to try to get him 309 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: too ninety and play him at three technique year next year, 310 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: because that's gonna be a fit at the next level. 311 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: He's not going to be an edge guy. Um So, 312 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: now you look at you look at you know, you 313 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: know Bruce Feldman's freaklist that's become a thing over you know. Um, 314 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: I love I love Bruce and all that stuff. But 315 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: if you look at the numbers that Northwestern String staff 316 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: gave to Bruce for that he will have if if 317 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: it's true, he will be last year's defensive tackle class 318 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: in three cone short shuttle, bench press, vertical jumping, broad jone. 319 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Um So he's he's kind of freaky, and more importantly, 320 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: he had a really good week in mobile in pads 321 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and shoulder pads and helmet. Um so, yeah, he's he's 322 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: and he's got thirty four inch arms, which people think 323 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: in an eighty two inch wingspan. So like, I know 324 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: the guy he's going to be compared to. When it's 325 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: all said and done. By the time we get to April, 326 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Klijah camp and see the detail from Pitts being talked 327 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: about a lot in the first round, it'll be interesting 328 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: to see where Kancie's arm length came out um, because 329 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: to me, that's that might be the differentiation between those 330 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: two guys is just the length factor. Everyone's looking for 331 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: longer interior guys. So he's a guy. He's a guy 332 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that I think certainly gonna blow this thing out tonight 333 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: if we're talking about Thursday, Jim. Last thing for me 334 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: this is, this is a stupid question. But when you 335 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: when you were in the league, were you paying attention 336 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: to who was mocking who and where and were you 337 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: making fun of that kind of stuff. This guy has 338 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: no idea what he's talking about. Yeah, I've been a 339 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, and and uh, you know, like 340 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: Mel takes Mel takes a Mel takes a good ribbing run. 341 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: And I my first four year, first three years at 342 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, like, I did a lot of ESPN 343 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: work with Mel, and man, he is such a good guy. Yeah, like, no, 344 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: I've got to know him. I love Mel kiper Um. 345 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: But you know, it's any of these guys that haven't 346 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: worked in the league, and they take shots at NFL 347 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: teams for making mistakes. And so you're sitting there as 348 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: an NFL guy going like, what do you know? Right? 349 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I know, so you know, but no, you we as 350 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: a team team I didn't pay a lot of attention, 351 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: but the teams I worked for, like we look at 352 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: some of the mock stuff, keep score, look at scenarios. Okay, 353 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: well what if this happens? What if they if it? 354 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: What if it did fall that way? Yeah? So yeah, 355 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: some teams do it more than other. Some teams do 356 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: like formal one year in Seattle, we brought we we 357 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: brought in an executive from another team he'd just been 358 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: let go, and we did. He had us do like 359 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: a full mock draft, like we all took a team. 360 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: We all did were like as a personnel staff, we 361 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: all took we all took a team or two. I 362 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: think there was like fifteen personnel guys. We all took 363 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: a couple of teams and we drafted like through the 364 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: first five rounds them crazy. Wow, that's kind of a 365 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: fun extra Yeah accurate? How accurate was? I don't know 366 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: if we gleaned anything on draft day out of it, 367 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: but it was kind of fun and it's kind of 368 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: fun doing. I just based off the team needs of 369 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: what people perceive, and that's what we that's what we did. 370 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: We used our our pros, our pro scouting department and 371 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: identified all the team needs. So they're like, stay true 372 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: to the team needs. Whatever we thought the Colds needed 373 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: that available that position. Yeah, I like it. Well, Jim, 374 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time. It's great to talk 375 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: to you. It is always a fantastic conversation. We learn 376 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot when we have you on the air here, 377 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: so thanks again. Best of luck with the Senior Bowl 378 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. I know you're already on to that, 379 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: so best of luck here in Indianapolis as well. Thanks guys, 380 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: appreciate you having me back on