1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 3: FED Governor Chris Waller says that policymakers can't afford to 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 3: proceed carefully with interest rate increases. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: He's Waller speaking with CNBC. 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 4: There's nothing that is saying we need to do anything 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 4: imminent anytime soon, So we can just sit there, wait 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 4: for the data, see if things continue. The biggest thing 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: is just inflation. We got two good reports in a row. 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 4: Can wait and see what a third one looks like 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 4: and see whether this low inflation is a trend or 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 4: it was just an outlier or a fluke. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: Fed Governor Chris Waller on CNBCE. Separately, Cleveland FED President 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: Loretta Mester said that the Fed may need to raise 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: interest rates a bit higher. However, she thinks there is 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 3: still time before the next Fed decision. Fed officials will 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: gather next. On September nineteenth and twentieth. 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: We had the price of crude oil rally, not just 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: here in New York, but the Brent contract as well. 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: This was after Saudi Arabia and Russia said they'd extend 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: production cuts. As these countries try to offset weak global demand. 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: In New York, crude oil was up one point three 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: percent we closed. Let's see eighty six sixty nine the barrel. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: That's the highest level since about mid no November of 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: last year, and in turn that boosted many of the 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: energy stocks. Here's Jim Bianco of Bianco Research. 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 5: Since late June, crude oil prices are up more than 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 5: twenty seven percent right now. Gasoline prices haven't caught up 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 5: with it, and they probably will when you see a big. 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Move like that. 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 5: And yes, I know that Saudis have been voluntarily cutting, 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 5: They've extended their cuts, but those have been in place 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: for months. It's more consistent with a strong Atlanta fed 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 5: GDP and strong data in downgrading the probabilities of a 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 5: recession because people are consuming energy because the economy is 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 5: moving forward. I think that that will continue to be 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 5: the case. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: That is Jim Bianco there of Bianco Research. By the way, 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: this rise in the price of oil will likely cause 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: more displeasure for consumers in the US. The Biden administration 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: is trying to avoid the threat of four dollars a 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: gallon gasoline. Now, gasoline prices are already at their highest 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: seasonal level in more than a decade, right. 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: And this one is interesting, a big ipo, but perhaps 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: a little disappointing. Soft Banks ARM Holdings is planning to 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: raise at least four point eighty seven billion dollars in 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: an initial public offering, and we hear it's aiming for 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: a valuation of close to fifty five billion dollars. It 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: would be the biggest stock debut of the year, but 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: not nearly as big as was initially expected. We get 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: more here from Bloomberg. 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: To ed Ludlow. 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 6: Previously, we believe that ARM wanted to raise between eight 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 6: and ten billion dollars at a much higher evaluation, say 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 6: sixty to seventy billion dollars. But what happened or transpired 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 6: was soft Bank acquired the twenty five percent stake of 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 6: ARM that the Vision Fund held, and we know that 59 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 6: all told, after the transaction, SoftBank will still control ninety 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 6: percent of the shares, which is an interesting dynamic given 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 6: the kind of big name cornerstone or anchor investors that 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 6: are on this deal, which include Apple and Vidia, AMD, Alphabet, Intel, 63 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 6: among others that Bloombergs reported. 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Ed Ludlow Arm set in a filing with the 65 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: Securities in Exchange Commission that he will offer ninety five 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: and a half million American depositary shares for forty seven 67 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: to fifty one dollars each. 68 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Well, the Chinese property developer Country Garden has avoided its 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: first default. It did so by paying interest on two 70 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: dollar bonds within a grace period ending September fifth and sixth. Now, 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: this did bring a little bit of relief during a 72 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: liquidity crisis which has shaken China's financial markets. Here's Bloomberg's 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: Rebecca Chong Wilkins in Hong Kong. 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 7: So they have rustled up this twenty two point five 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 7: million dollars, they say, and they have told noteholders in 76 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 7: order to avoid an official default, they've made that payment 77 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 7: within the grace period. But Country Guard just this year 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 7: has to raise another just over half a billion US 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 7: dollars to pay off at least four bond maturities and 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 7: another coupon that comes due this month. So we certainly 81 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 7: not over the sort of will they won't they excitement 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 7: that we've seen all through the last thirty days of 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 7: this grace period. 84 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: That is Rebecca Chung Wilkins. By the way, so far 85 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: this here shares in Country Garden are down about sixty 86 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: two percent. 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: Right meantime, China DOUG is said to be looking to 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: raise funds to bankroll investments in chip making and research. 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: We'll breaks Joan Wong with the story. 90 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 8: In Hong Kong, the China Integrate a Circuit Industry Investment 91 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 8: Fund is establishing his third and largest investment pool of 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 8: about forty one point one billion dollars. Writers reported that 93 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 8: the process may take time and it's unclear who the 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 8: potential investors are or when it might launch, but the 95 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 8: country's finance Ministry may contribute about eight point two billion 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 8: dollars to the fund. Despite local media enthusiasm, it remains 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 8: unclear how Chinese players can circumvent strict US curbs on 98 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 8: technology shares and chip related firms. We are mostly down 99 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 8: Tuesday in the wake of weak economic data in Hong Kong. 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 8: Join Walt Bloomberg Radio DOUG. 101 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot of coordinated action now on the 102 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: property sector in China, and it appears to be coming 103 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: from the top Country Garden. We just did that story. 104 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: They made the interest payments on two dollars bonds within 105 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: the grace period. It's not clear if they got help 106 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: from the state on that that. We might learn more 107 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: about that coming up. But mortgage and down payment rules 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: have been relaxed, the banks have been told to lower rates. 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: One key question, and we can we can put this 110 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: to our guests today, is it too late it made 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: something that That's something that we just don't know at 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: the moment, but it might be. 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, obviously this is going to buy Country Garden a 114 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: lot of time. I think the company's got to sort 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: through about one hundred and eighty seven billion dollars US 116 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: worth of liabilities. The other thing that I want to 117 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: point out very quickly, Brian, is that the FED so 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: far has offloaded about a billion dollars from its bond holdings. 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 2: We reached a record in April of last year about 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: eight point four trillion, So right now I think the 121 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: balance sheet works out to around seven point four trillion, 122 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: And all of that rollof has been happening without too 123 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: much in the way of market disruption. 124 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that seems to be quiet, quietly happening. 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: That's something else we can talk to our guests about. Doug. 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: Let's take a look now at Global News. Indian Prime 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Minister Narendra Modi has added a bit of nationalism to 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: the G twenty at Baxter has Global News from the 129 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: nine to sixty news room in San Francisco. 130 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 9: Ed. 131 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 10: Yeah, we're not even reading between the lines here. Brian 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 10: dinner invitations have replaced the word India with ancient Sanskrit 133 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 10: word Bahrat. Barrot has used interchangeably with India, and the 134 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 10: constitution often appears in popular songs and movies. In recent months, 135 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 10: Mody's party has begun using the Sanskrit version, and it's 136 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 10: included now on the dinner invitations for the G twenty. 137 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 10: A careful eye on US President Joe Biden's South after 138 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 10: his wife Jill tested positive for COVID this week. White 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 10: House spokeswoman Corrina Jean Pierre here, the. 140 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 11: First Lady is experiencing miles symptoms and will remain in 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 11: Delaware for the week. President Biden tested negative last night 142 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 11: for COVID nineteen and tested negative again today. He's not 143 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 11: experiencing any symptoms, so. 144 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 10: The President will leave this week. White House National Advisor 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 10: Jake Sullivan says the trip is still on. 146 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 12: On Thursday, the President will travel to New Delhi, India 147 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 12: to attend the G twenty Leader Summit. On Friday, President 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 12: Biden will participate in a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister 149 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 12: Modi of the Republic of India, and on Saturday and Sunday, 150 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 12: the President will participate in the official sessions of the 151 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 12: G twenty summit. 152 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 10: Now, Sullivan says the US remains committed to working with 153 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 10: emerging markets, and the G twenty will show the world's 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 10: powers can work together even in challenging times. As for China, well, 155 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 10: President Chi Jimpang, as we've been reporting, will not be there, 156 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 10: so Sullivan said, nothing China relate to this schedule at 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 10: this point. 158 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 12: Nothing's been scheduled. But the President has said before that 159 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 12: he's looking forward to picking up the conversation that he 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 12: had with President she and Bali last year, and he 161 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 12: fully intends to do that in the months ahead. 162 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 10: Yeah, formal G twenty sessions are this weekend. After two 163 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 10: freezing incidents in the past two months, Senate Minority Leader 164 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 10: Mitch McConnell returned to the Senate floor today. Bloomberg's Nancy 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 10: Lyons has more from Washington, d C. 166 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 13: I'm glad to welcome our college back. 167 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 14: Senator McConnell made no reference to his health, but did 168 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 14: say there's plenty to do in the coming weeks. 169 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 13: This month, of course, Conmerce needs to address our nation's 170 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 13: most pressing needs with townly appropriations, and we need to 171 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 13: keep the lights on. I'm all over. 172 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 14: First, Well, McConnell did not reference his health. His colleague, 173 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 14: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer did. 174 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see him back and doing. 175 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 14: Well in Washington, Nancy lyons Bloomberg Radio. 176 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 10: Now, the job one is keeping the government open. Right 177 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 10: wing of the Republican Party, and the High House might 178 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 10: try to make that very difficult. Bloomberg's Wendy Benjaminson says 179 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 10: they'll be calling what they what they call a mini bus, 180 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 10: a shaved down version of the budget introduced this week. 181 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 15: McConnell and Schumer have both said that spending bills in 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 15: the Senate at least always pass on a bipartisan basis, 183 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 15: that you always get both sides to agree to keep 184 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 15: the government going, and that these votes the mini bus 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 15: might be a signal to House Republicans to get this done, 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 15: keep the government running, keep all those checks coming for 187 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 15: senior citizens and veterans and all those people, keep planes 188 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 15: in the air, all that sort of stuff. 189 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 10: Meanwhile, US congressional doctor, says Center Republic lender McConnell shows 190 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 10: no evidence of seizure, disorder or stroke. Global newspower by 191 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 10: more than twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts in over 192 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 10: one hundred and twenty countries in San Francisco, I'm Ed Baxter, 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 10: and this is Bloomberg. 194 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. I'm Brian Curtis, along with 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: Rashad Saloma, Doug Crisner on markets indead, looking at news 196 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: for us. Let's get to our guest, Eric Lynch, chief 197 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: investment officer at Sharf Investments. 198 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Eric, let me ask you about what might be a 199 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: mild contradiction in capital markets. 200 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: As Doug mentioned earlier, we have companies just rushing now 201 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: to lock in borrowing costs before central banks can raise 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: rates further. And yet you have company like Blackrock and 203 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: Pimco betting now with real money that the FEDS tightening 204 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: cycle is ending. Which is it? Which one is right? 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: Or is that just the market doing what it does. 206 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a great question. It's a great conundrum, isn't it. 207 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 9: Like how you outline that? I think the question comes 208 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 9: down to what is more important with the FEDS to 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 9: mandate going forward, is it inflationary pressures or is it 210 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 9: full employment? You know, if you consider the fact that 211 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 9: you know, the current administration still has a little approval ranking, 212 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 9: it's pretty telling. It means that there's a lot of 213 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 9: citizens the United States that are being impacted more by 214 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 9: their wallet than they are by the increase of asset prices. 215 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 9: So what that tells us and kind of we keep 216 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 9: what you can kind of read between the lines of 217 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 9: pal following the last meeting is that they're still heavily 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 9: focused on what inflationary pricing is doing to consumers, and 219 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 9: I think there's still going to be a bias towards 220 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 9: tiding that even further, at least keeping Hawker stance. And 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 9: so what that tells us is that you know, rates 222 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 9: may be higher for longer. 223 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 16: Well absolutely end Eric. When you look at what's going 224 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 16: on with the bond buying at the moment, it's pretty 225 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 16: much bifurcated. On the one hand, you have asset manages 226 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 16: in long term players actually buying bonds and got the 227 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 16: head gas that's shorting them. So there you go. 228 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: That tells you everything. 229 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 16: Which side do you be on? 230 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's still a room to be hawkish here. 231 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 9: I mean, let's let's look at the ground level for 232 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 9: a second, get out of the clouds. Dollar General reported 233 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 9: last week it's a bell weather for the low income consumer, 234 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 9: but it's a very large demographic. Unfortunately, United States, they 235 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 9: had negative same source of sales on the quarter despite 236 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 9: nominal increase of the prices. 237 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Right, that's not great. 238 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 9: And because they had to bring markdowns even to get 239 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 9: consumer traffic, the gross margin and the operating margins to 240 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 9: clined annual kind of year every year, Arnie's for shared 241 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 9: actually declined by twenty eight percent, And so that's just 242 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 9: another indicative indication that the consumer in the US is 243 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 9: hurting and the FED is going to maintain a hawker stance. 244 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: It's interesting that in your notes you say that non 245 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: US stocks are more attractive than US s docs at 246 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 3: the moment. 247 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: So where would you be focusing. 248 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I would kind of preface it by saying, 249 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 9: we think there's more opportunities outside of the US. You know, 250 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 9: I'm sitting here in Lo Scattos, California, domosile of Netflix 251 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 9: Silkon Valley. It's kind of blasphemous to whisper this, but 252 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 9: we do think that there's not a scarcity of growth 253 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 9: and profit growth. There are opportunities outside of megacap us 254 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 9: det and so specifically we think outside of the US 255 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 9: there are opportunities and let's call it revenge spend. Still 256 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 9: as the economy kind of consumption transitions from goods the services. 257 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 9: Things like UK Basemith and Nephew are recovering quite nicely 258 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 9: from the pent up demand of elective orthopedic surgeries, and 259 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 9: things like Heinek in the Netherlands are going to still 260 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 9: continue to recover from the on trade consumption of alcohol. 261 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 9: So both of those things, just to put in perspective, 262 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 9: we think are going to produce earnings growth at twenty 263 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 9: four of about fifteen to seventeen percent. That's versus consensus 264 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 9: s and P growth for twelve and these are only 265 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 9: priced at fourteen to fifteen times earnings versus the SMP 266 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 9: price around nineteen and so that's a good opportunity of 267 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 9: these multinationals that has some revenue exposures to the US, 268 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 9: but they're just treated very differently because they're done without 269 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 9: outside of it. 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 16: Yeah, what about Chinese these companies themselves, would you be 271 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 16: interested in them? I know you talk about buy do it, 272 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 16: and certainly you can. You've already talked about people who 273 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 16: would be proxies for China in the roundabout way there. 274 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 16: But tell us about where you see value, if at all, 275 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 16: in terms of the Middle Kingdom. 276 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great question. There's a lot of regulatory 277 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 9: and now economic risk, as you just outlined before in 278 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 9: the property market. You know what we've seen in prior bubbles, 279 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 9: if you want to call it that, we'll see if 280 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 9: it is as the market's to plate and there's an 281 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 9: epic center, whether it's Tacking two thousand, the United States 282 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 9: arts saving as a long crisis, what have you. If 283 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 9: you get away from the epicenter, obviously you're improving your 284 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 9: probability of perhaps making good risk adjusted returns. And so 285 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 9: it's released to China. You know, we all we do 286 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 9: think it's kind of an interesting fact that the market 287 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 9: doesn't seem to be penalizing a lot of US big 288 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 9: cap companies with Chinese exposure, like Apple very much. But 289 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 9: Bidy remains very very cheap, so by looks really cheap. 290 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 9: Twenty percent running growth price at fourteen times. 291 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: Eric, thank you. 292 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: Eric Lynch, chief investment Officer of Sharf Investments. 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