1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime West and Hodkowitz. We're coming 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately Wes. We're here to talk about another tough loss 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: suffered by the Green Bay Packers, this one nineteen to seventeen, 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: the final score in Denver against the Broncos. And we 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: don't need to go through this one blow by blow 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination, but boy is it 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: frustrating to see what felt like, in many ways a 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: carbon copy of the previous loss before the bye, A 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: big struggle in the first half offensively, a comeback that 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: puts you in position to give you a chance to 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: win at the end of the game, and then an 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: interception when you go for broke at the end of 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: the game when you're trying to make the big play. 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: The last two games have been have been very much 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: like that. It's a script that the Packers have to 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: change moving forward, but it's one that they haven't been 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: able to change just yet. 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched the same game, you know, from what 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: happened in Vegas and then in Denver all the way 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: down to you know, the defense having to work through 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: some stuff, getting some key stops, but ultimately just giving 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: up that one additional drive that ends up being the 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: difference in the football game. I you know, obviously I 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: had a few days of process this thing now, And 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: as I wrote again as I often do in our 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: insider inbox Q and A, I think that's the maddening 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: part is you see these glimpses of really good potential, 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: and you see the talent of this football team, but 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: it's just getting it to break out of its shell 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: early on has been such a struggle. And I know 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of lighthearted jabs on social media about hey, 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: could they just start in the second half, could you 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: just you know, spot them ten points? All that. The 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: fact of the matter is is that Green Bay wants 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: their identity to be what they've done coming out of 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: the break, and like Mike, let's just look at that 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: drive quickly. It was only three points after halftime, but 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: the ingenuity that the Dantavian Wicks throw the first down conversions, 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: a little bit of Aaron Jones thrown in there. It 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: looked more like what the Green Bay Packers and I 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: think you and me more specifically thought this offense would 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: look like the first half. It seems like in some 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: ways the Packers have just gotten caught in their own 47 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,279 Speaker 2: head in terms of just trying to make an opportunity 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: happen and hoping that something ruptures. Defenses are playing them tight. 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: And as you and I said all last week, and 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: it wasn't to couch anything, it was just a statement 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 2: of fact. Denford did some good things. They showed progress 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: against Kansas City, and I felt like, to the Broncos credit, 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: they built on some of that going into this game 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: against Green Bay. 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was certainly, you know, certainly frustrating 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: to see, you know, the players and the coach are frustrated. 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: Everybody's frustrated to see the slow start once again. Where 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: the where the offense can't get going until the second half. 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: Here's and I don't I don't know what the I 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: don't know what the solution is to that. You and 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: I could sit here and fill the whole show trying 62 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, what the Packers can do 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: to fix their slow starts. I have absolutely no idea 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: what it's going to take to get them out of this. 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: I do believe that Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love and 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: this cast of characters on offense is going to get 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: out of this because, as you said, they're better than that, 68 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and they've shown it, so at some point the tide 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: is going to turn. Here's my question for you with 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: regards to this game, just as as a different way 71 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: to go through this one. When you look back at 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: this one, what is your biggest regret in terms of 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: in terms of what you saw, in terms of what 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: happened a certain moment, whatever, What's what's your biggest regret 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: that you feel coming out of this Packers loss. 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: It's an excellent question for me. It's twofold. It's on 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: the offense and defensive side of the ball. Offensively, you know, 78 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: we knew what the game was going to be with 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones. You're not going to have them for forty plays. 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: You have to make those count, and to some extent, 81 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: I feel like Green Bay did that. But when I 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: looked at the box score afterwards and it was ten 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: different receivers and nobody with more than what thirty four 84 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: receiving yards or something like that, it tells you that 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: Jordan loves seeing the ball well and he's making you know, 86 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: getting the ball into people's hands. But it also shows 87 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: you that nothing ruptured. The Packers really struggled to get 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: an explosive play in this game. Their best play in 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: terms of a yardage standpoint, unfortunately, was the eighteen yard 90 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: pass to Luke Musgrave in which Kareem Jackson was penalized 91 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: with the unnecessary roughness hit that he's now since been 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: suspended for. Up until that, you know, Green Bay hadn't 93 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: really had a lot of like big opportunities to get 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: a chunk play, and you saw what happened after that catch. 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: They were able to go down the field to have 96 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: their best drive of the game. They were opportunistic in 97 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: the red zone to make opportunities happen. Aj Dillon a 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: great opportunity, takes a dump off pass for twenty nine yards. 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: They actually get into what I would consider to be 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: Denver scoring territory based on the altitude getting over to 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: the forty four yard line. Maybe you need ten more 102 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: yards to be able to kick a field goal to 103 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: potentially win the game. 104 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you necessarily even needed another first 105 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: down at least to get a shot at a field 106 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: goal based on Carlson's leg in the location. But sorry 107 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: to interrupt, No, no. 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: No, just my really quick point on the defense. The 109 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: defense did a great job of adversity defense in the 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: first half, bending but not breaking, keeping points off the board, 111 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: so it was still only a two score game going 112 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: into halftime. But while Green Bay's offense got things together 113 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: in the third quarter, the Packers unfortunately end up giving 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: up that lone touchdown drive and at the very end 115 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: of the game, the Broncos just get too many yards. 116 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: They have a kicker that has just too much leg 117 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: and while Preston Smith did get that sack on Russell 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: Wilson for no yards, that was the only sack Green 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: Bay had of Wilson in this game. They didn't turn 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: over the football and they lost the game. 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, my regrets, my regrets from this one. I guess 122 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: lay I lay it out as kind of an ABC first, 123 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: it's that you caught a break with a deflected touchdown 124 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: catch on fourth down that you know could have sunk you, 125 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: but you get some good fortune to go your way. 126 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: That's not going to happen every week, and yet you 127 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: lose a game when you catch a big break like that. 128 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: So that's that's a tough one to take. Number two, 129 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Packers getting to the Denver forty four 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: yard line, and then your best offensive lineman, your multi 131 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: pro bowler, gets called for holding at absolutely the worst, 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the most inopportune time. There from the forty four you know, 133 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: you know loved run the quarterback draw. He was to 134 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: the forty maybe just inside it. You didn't even necessarily 135 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: need to get the next first down at the thirty 136 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: four yard line to give Carlson a chance. But then 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: you get backed up ten yards. You're back on the 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: other side of the fifty year not in field goal range, 139 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: and and and you know, the tide, the momentum, their 140 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: shifts to the defense. I look. I'm not saying it 141 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: wasn't a penalty. I looked at I looked at the film. 142 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Pretty ticky tac call to be making with two minutes 143 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: to go in a game, in my opinion, But they 144 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: threw the flag on a really, really good offensive lineman, 145 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: and the Packers had to pay the price for that. 146 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: The other one, my third, my third regret, was the 147 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: sequence more of a longer sequence of things, and it 148 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: was at the end of the first half because the Packers, 149 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: after a lot of struggles on offense through one and 150 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: a half quarters, they put together a good drive. They 151 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: finally got some things going. You could see, you could 152 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: see the blocking was improving, some of the some of 153 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: the runs to the perimeter, we're getting we're moving the chains, 154 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, converting some first downs. Unfortunately, the drive stalls. 155 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: But then your rook kicker Carlson misses his first kick 156 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: of the season. He'd been perfect up to that point. 157 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: He misses one. Obviously he was gonna miss one. Eventually, 158 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: you wish it hadn't been in that moment. But but 159 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: then as that sequence continues, the Broncos end up going 160 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: fifty yards the other way in about thirty two seconds, 161 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: and when it was looking like you were going to 162 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: go into the locker room down six to three, you 163 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: were down nine to nothing because of that sequence at 164 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: the end of the first half, instead of a three 165 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: point deficit, it's a two score deficit, and it just 166 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, Yes, the Packers came out in the second 167 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: half and got things going and played the kind of 168 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: football you expected to see them play in Denver, but 169 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: for that deficit to be nine to zero, and then 170 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: when the defense did give up the one touchdown, suddenly 171 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: it becomes sixteen to three. The deficit was just larger 172 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: than it needed to be, than it should have been 173 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: based on the sequence at the end of the first half. 174 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: And again, the thing that is just absolutely maddening in 175 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: front strading is the Packers didn't just pitch the tent 176 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: and call it a day after falling down sixteen to three, 177 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: a time in which a thirteen point leads seemed a 178 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: lot more insurmountable than it really was. They rallied again, 179 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: They found a way to get points on the board, 180 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: ten points in that third quarter. They can find the 181 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: moxie and the guts in the fortitude to stay in 182 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: these games, but they just have not been able to 183 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: win them. And yeah, I think in the long run, 184 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: and it will benefit this team a lot of young 185 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: guys on this team that are learning to win right now, 186 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: how to win, what it takes to win. Because what 187 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: I go back to is what Matt Lafleur said, I 188 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: think going after the Saints game where they were able 189 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: to come back, it is not easy to win in 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: this league. I think sometimes we definitely lose sight of 191 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: that with the amount of parody. This is not one 192 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty teen BCS system. You know, there's thirty 193 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: two teams and they're all pretty dang good with some 194 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: good football players on it. And you have to be 195 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: able to survive the narrow margin of error. And for 196 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: this Packers team, young, old, whatever you want to call them, 197 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: it has just been a real test trying to make 198 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: that happen. 199 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, you know, I don't want to 200 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: sound like a broken record with regard to crunch time, 201 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: but the Packers have had four of their six games 202 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: come down to the very end, and they have executed 203 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: at the end of games once and they have failed 204 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the game three times, one in three. 205 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: That's why you're two games under five hundred at two 206 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: and four. That's what determines your season and your what 207 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: your record says you are is what happens at the 208 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: end of those games. That being said, this leads to 209 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: my next question. And as I said before, I firmly 210 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: believe the Packers are gonna are gonna pull out of this. 211 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: I mean, last year it was five losses in a row, 212 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: seven losses in a span of eight games, and they 213 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: spun it around and got things going. I think the 214 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: same thing can and will happen at some point this year. 215 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: So my question for you is, what do you take 216 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: out of this game, whether it's this game or just 217 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: what you've seen recently, heard recently, whatever it may be 218 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: that gives you the biggest reason for hope that this 219 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: thing is going to turn around. 220 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: The Packers ran for one hundred and thirty seven yards 221 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: in this game without a carry of more than fifteen yards. 222 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: They didn't even break one, so to speak, in terms 223 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: of the explosive gain aspect. You know, AJ Dillon is 224 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: running behind his pads more Aaron Jones knock on wood 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: as we're doing this show. Hopefully the hamstring came throw 226 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: ok for him and he'll be more available this upcoming 227 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: game against the Falcons. Yeah, why does that matter? It's 228 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: not just about running the football. It goes back to 229 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: the most impressive stat about Jordan Love in this game, 230 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: courtesy I Believe of Pro Football Focus. The guy was 231 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: nine for nine for like one hundred and nine yards 232 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: and a touchdown off play action in this game, Jordan 233 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: Love did really well in terms of the play action game, 234 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: getting outside the pocket, making plays happen a lot of 235 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: what hurt him for whatever reason it was when he 236 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: was facing even pressure and you know, being stuck contained 237 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: in the pocket. So those things tie together, and I 238 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: think you can see this running offense getting more comfortable 239 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,479 Speaker 2: and getting a lot more confidence among itself. The penalties 240 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: kind of popped up again. Green Bay has to get 241 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: that straightened out. But this teams stuck together, and Mike, 242 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what the Packers' final win and loss 243 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: record is going to be. I don't know what it's 244 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: all going to look like. I can't guarantee you this 245 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: team is going to be vastly better in December than 246 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: it was in September. But as far as the twenty thirteen, 247 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: that whole exhibition that you have to put on display 248 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: to show that you're capable of being a playoff team, 249 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: that's where the challenge lies for green Bay. If you 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: dig yourself into an early hole here, what does the 251 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: second half of the season look like to get yourself 252 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: out of it? 253 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you in that. When I see what 254 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of hanging my hopes on and what I 255 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: see are the signs that this can be turned around, 256 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: it goes to it does go to how the Packer 257 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: are running the ball. We've seen it. We've seen it 258 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: the last two games. I thought it was even better 259 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: against the Broncos than it was against the Raiders. And 260 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: as much as I know, I started the show by saying, 261 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, there there was this carbon copy thing with 262 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: all the struggles in the first half, you have a 263 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: comeback and then and then you know, you have the 264 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: turnover at the end when you're trying to win the game. 265 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: To me, this the Broncos performance was a much more 266 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: encouraging and I don't want to overstate that, but it was. 267 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: It was a more encouraging offensive performance than the Raiders 268 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: game for a couple of reasons. One is I thought 269 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: I thought the Packers were able to stay balanced that 270 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: even during the comeback when they weren't, they weren't busting 271 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: big explosive plays. They didn't have a seventy seven yard 272 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, completion to Christian Watson to take up you know, 273 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: a huge chunk of the field. They were staying balanced 274 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: and moving the ball, and that being able to use 275 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: the run and the play action and not get into 276 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: any kind of a desperation mode until the very end 277 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: of the game. I thought that was a good sign 278 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: for where this thing can go. The offense also had 279 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: to do this very much on its own, because when 280 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: you think back to the Raiders game, there was the 281 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: interception by Rudy Ford gave them a short field, they 282 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: get a touchdown. Packers didn't have that. All of their 283 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: scoring drives in this game. They had to cover a 284 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: big chunk of the field to get points, and they 285 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: did have the one good drive in the first half 286 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: that didn't result in points, and then when they were 287 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: moving the ball at the end of the game, you 288 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: get the penalty that sets you back. So I think 289 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: there were more signs in this game, even though it's 290 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: another frustrating loss. And I'm not trying to sugarcoat anything, 291 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: but I think there were more signs in this game 292 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: that the offense is starting to find something than we 293 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: saw in the Raiders and. 294 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: The other thing I just want to touch on quickly 295 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: because it kind of fellow up on what you said 296 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: last week. We were talking about our like MVPs or 297 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: whatever during the by and I still say KOI Walker's 298 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: had a find fine season so far. But you brought 299 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: up Russelle Douglas and I got to thinking more about 300 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: that throughout the weekend and then watching him in this game. 301 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: Russell Douglas is having the best year of his career. 302 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: And I know he had the five picks or whatever, 303 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: but like, the guy's not being penalized. He is getting 304 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: pass deflections and it is getting very difficult for teams 305 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: to throw on him. He's playing physical ball. 306 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, we saw, we saw what Russell Russell Wilson, I mean, 307 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, no offense to Carrington Valentine. Yeah, who you know, 308 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: had some rough definitely had some rough moments in this game, 309 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: filling in for Jayi Alexander. But Russell Wilson was like, Okay, 310 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Douglas is over here. I've seen what he's done on film. 311 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Carrington Valentine or rookie seventh round pick is filling in 312 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: for the all pro guy on the other side. And 313 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Wilson went after him. You know that. And but that's 314 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: also because of how Russelle Douglas has been playing. 315 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: And the other thing about Suell maybe some people don't 316 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: realize is he was the co Stand Up Award winner 317 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: last year for the Packers, as given by the PFWA 318 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: for his dealings with the media. The guy sat at 319 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: his locker for six minutes after the game, which you know, 320 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: for you know, in terms of like a road locker room, 321 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: that's actually a pretty long media scrum. And he was 322 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: a very honest raw about how he's feeling about this thing. 323 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: He didn't throw anybody under the bus. He didn't throw 324 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: the offense under the bus, but he did have a 325 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: really poignant line when he was talking to the media 326 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: about how basically, I'm tired of seeing you guys, and 327 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: not to be He's not being routering, but basically saying like, 328 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: you're coming in here and I'm giving you the same 329 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: answers I've given you the week before. We are working 330 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: at it, we are trying, but ultimately it comes down 331 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: to winning. And you know, he was even kind of 332 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: throwing a little bit of a softball about having eleven 333 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: games left. He's like, yeah, but we got to win. 334 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how many games are left. You have to 335 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: win to be able to end this losing streak and 336 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: to feel what it's like to win a football game again. 337 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: Something else he had talked about earlier in the week. 338 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: Douglas has been a guy that's really stick up for 339 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: this defense in terms of the leadership aspect of it, 340 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: without a Devandre Campbell, without Jaiyre missing you know, three 341 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: two or three games now, he has been one of 342 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: the guys that has stepped up and I thought has 343 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: really led with his play on the field. And honestly, Mike, 344 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: depending on what happens here with Jaws back, he could 345 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: end up being one of the really pivotal pieces for 346 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers in the second half the season, 347 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: much like he was in twenty twenty one. 348 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you. There one more question 349 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: I want to throw at you before we shift gears 350 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: a little bit. There are a lot of things that 351 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: are ailing the Packers right now, but if you had 352 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: to point to the one thing that you feel would 353 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: be at the top of the list, the most important 354 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: key to getting this thing turned around. 355 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: It was a thing I let inbox with. If it's 356 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: not even about the fast starts, because that's becoming kind 357 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: of like this catch all. Yeah, Mike, I just want 358 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: to see what it looks like if the Packers go 359 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: out and put points on the board on the first drive. 360 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: I'm not saying, oh, if you win the coin toss, 361 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: you have to take the ball. No, you can defer 362 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: until the Cows come home. Yeah, but I'm saying when 363 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: the offense it's out there for the first time, what 364 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: does it look like if you go into halftime? Because 365 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm thinking back to that Chicago game. I know it's 366 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: difficult for fans to do that right now, but the 367 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: Packers put up thirty eight points in that game and 368 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: really impose their will against the Bears, and we haven't 369 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: seen that again since then. So I just feel like 370 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: this team, the doubts or whatever could be creep into 371 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: your mind after you go three and out or you 372 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: give up some points early on defensively, if the Packers 373 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: can get out to a lead, what does it look 374 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: like with those third quarters, if you actually have some 375 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: points on the board and you have some of that 376 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: momentum in your favor. 377 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was going to say as well. 378 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: I think the biggest key to turning this around, and 379 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the Packers, as you said it, 380 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: as far as a fast start, It's not that the 381 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: Packers need to jump out ten nothing or fourteen nothing 382 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: or seventeen nothing on a team, but they need to 383 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: just stop playing from behind because once you get behind, 384 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: then you're only one possession away from being multiple scores behind. 385 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: And that's what we've seen has come hounded itself with 386 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: this team. If you can, if you can, just if 387 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: you can stay not just not just stay in the game, 388 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: because they were obviously in the game and it was 389 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: only a one score game in Denver until the field 390 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: goal right at the end of the first half made 391 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: it a two score game. But if you can actually 392 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: get the lead, even if it's just seven to three 393 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: or seven to six or ten to seven or whatever 394 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: it is, even ten to ten at halftime something like that, 395 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: if you can just be in that situation heading into 396 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: the second half as opposed to coming out of the 397 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: locker room and feeling like your backs are against the 398 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: wall again like they were against Detroit, like they were 399 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: against the Raiders, like they were against the Saints before that. 400 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is you know, the Saints game was 401 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: a victory, but this is this is four games in 402 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: a row now where the Packers are playing from behind, 403 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: and that's just that's not a life you can continue 404 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: to live if you want to, if you want to 405 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: be able to find success on a regular basis. And 406 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: the biggest reason that they've that they're two and four 407 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: right now is bec as they're playing from behind way 408 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: too much. 409 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: And this game specifically, Mike. People can make whatever jokes 410 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: they want to make about the Broncos, but I'm telling 411 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: you what, man Sean Payton Russell Wilson, those are two 412 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: pool sharks there. When they look at a nine to 413 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: zero halftime lead, it's affecting the way they look at 414 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: the rest of that game. 415 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: Hunter. 416 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is not pressing to make plays. If his 417 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 2: defense is playing well, He's going to let his defense 418 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: play and live to see another down. 419 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: Hey, the Raiders did the same thing with Garoppolo. It's 420 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: not like Garoppolo was chucking the ball over the field. 421 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean the Raiders. The Raiders, they felt their defense 422 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: was playing well. They knew the Packers were struggling on offense, 423 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: and even when the Raiders did get behind, it's not 424 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, they just said, Okay, we're going to grind. 425 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: We're going to grind this thing out. And they were 426 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: confident that they that they could get the one score 427 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: they needed and then their defense was going to hold up. 428 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: And then the last thing I'll say about Wilson, because 429 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: it was sort of a storyline last week you and 430 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: I touched on in terms of his weight, the way 431 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: he's playing this year, Russell Wilson from twenty twenty two, 432 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: this game might end up turning out a lot different. 433 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: You know, you looked at some of those pressures that 434 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: Lucas Vans had that Rshawn Gary had right off the bat. Yeah, 435 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: they only had three quarterback hits in one sack, but 436 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: a lot of that the times in which he was 437 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: truly under duress, he was able to flush out of 438 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: the pocket, keep his eyes downfield and make a play. 439 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: And then when he needed to, he also was able 440 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: to pick up some yards with his feet. 441 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did that. That's what's set up the chip 442 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: shot field goal at the end of the first half. 443 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: Was the scramble that was a real killer for the Packers. 444 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: I do need to take care of some sponsor business. 445 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Here Wes Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and 446 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: up to the minute NFL news that true football fanatics 447 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: need twenty four to seven, three sixty five and at 448 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: Cousin Subs, we have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin 449 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: Cheese curds, mac and Cheese, golden fries and creamy shakes 450 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: all paired with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. 451 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: Cousin subs fifty years of better. All right, Well, if 452 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: we needed any more evidence that the NFL is a 453 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: week league, just look at what happened in the NFC North. 454 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: All we have to do is look at that's it. 455 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: The division is three. The Bears have to go with 456 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback against another backup quarterback for the Raiders. 457 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: But suddenly they light up the scoreboard at Soldier Field 458 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: and they get a win. The Detroit Lions go on 459 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: the road against the Baltimore Ravens. They're five and one. 460 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: Folks are wondering because the Niners and the Eagles had 461 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: both just lost a game. Are the Lions the best 462 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: team in the NFC? Maybe? Well, the Ravens had something 463 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: to say about that. The Lions took one on the chin. Now, 464 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: as we had talked about before with them, how do 465 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: they handle success? Well, now, how do they handle this 466 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: amount of adversity because that was a rough day for 467 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: them in Baltimore. And then the Minnesota Vikings, who will 468 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: talk about them a lot more on our next show 469 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: with them being the Packers next opponent here at Lambeau field. 470 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: But the Vikings, no Justin Jefferson on offense, no Marcus 471 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: Davenport on defense, and the San Francisco forty nine Ers, 472 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: who everybody figured would be steaming hot, spit and tax 473 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: mad after that loss in Cleveland. Well, lo and behold. 474 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins completes thirty five passes, three hundred and sixty 475 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: whatever some yards passing, and the Minnesota defense holds off 476 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: brock Perdy and that Niners offense with interceptions two interceptions 477 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and the Vikings suddenly, after an 478 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: zero to three start, are three and four with a 479 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: victory over a team that many thought just a couple 480 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: weeks ago was the best team perhaps in the NFL. 481 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: Well, first off, I want to start off with the 482 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: Chicago game because I wish this Raiders team would have 483 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: showed up at Allegiance Stadium when they faced the Packers, 484 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: because that was one of the worst offensive game plans 485 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Honestly, the Bears did exactly what the 486 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: Raiders should have done, and maybe that is the key 487 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: for Chicago moving forward. Is Deontay Freeman. Man. I don't 488 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: know why no one wants to sign this guy long term, 489 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: but he's like a rent to running back and he 490 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: will come in there and he will produce yards for you. 491 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: And they did it at will against a Raiders defense 492 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: I thought looked really good against Green Bay in terms 493 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: of at least not rupturing right and offensively, you have 494 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer stepping in for an injured Jimmy Garoppolo, and 495 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 2: they just once again, forget that Josh Jacobs exists. This 496 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: seemed to me like a game where Josh Jacobs should 497 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: have covered, should have ran the ball twenty five times. 498 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: But no, they're they're in whatever happened with DeVante, happened whatever. 499 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: But I mean, you have a backup quarterback in there 500 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: that's lost twelve straight starts and suddenly he's throwing the 501 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: ball thirty two times. 502 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't I said to you in the press 503 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: box in Denver. I didn't even understand why they didn't 504 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: just stick with Aidan O'Connell, the rookie from Perdue, who 505 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: I know, he had some turnovers and whatnot in his 506 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: one start there against the Chargers, but he gave them, 507 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: he gave them a chance to win, you know. And 508 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: yet and yet now Garoppolo goes down and they decide, 509 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: they decide they have to turn it over to Hoyer, 510 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: who was who was frankly off. Yeah. 511 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: So if you're ever looking for a way to completely 512 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: take the air out of your blown after winst bring 513 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 2: up that football game. You'll learn something from it. But 514 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: as far as the Lions, man, I'm telling you, Mike, 515 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: that's just the league. Like people are already saw some 516 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: of the stuff like, oh, are they a fraud? No, 517 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: the Lions are a really good football team, and so 518 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: are the Baltimore Ravens. And I thought the Ravens were exceptional. 519 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson was amazing in that game, and the Lions 520 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: just were not able to make anything happen offensively. It's 521 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: gonna happen. I still view Detroit the same way I 522 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: viewed them going into Sunday afternoon. Yeah, very dangerous team. 523 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: I do too. I mean we saw it. You know. 524 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: The Packers had three consecutive thirteen win seasons under mattin Floor, 525 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: and every season there were there there was at least one, 526 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: sometimes more than one, just regular season dud game where 527 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: you just got it handed to you. And it happens 528 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: to everybody in this league, and it happened it happened 529 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: to the Lions, and you know, they're they're a very 530 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: curious case because because they're in a position that their 531 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: franchise is not used to being in. And how are 532 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: they how are they going to handle the ups? How 533 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: are they going to handle the downs? You know, they 534 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: have a target on their back as the team on 535 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: top of the NFC North right now, and you know, 536 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: but it happens in this league. 537 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: Lastly, I'll just say this quickly about the Vikings and 538 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: an expertly played football game. Kirk Cousins gets his win 539 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: in prime time, but more importantly, Jordan Addison stepping up 540 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: the way that I think the Vikings needed him to 541 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: in the wake of this justin Jefferson injury. You look 542 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: at Daniel Hunter defensively, I thought did some really good 543 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: things in that game. And then lastly, I just have 544 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: to say it because we take for granted so much 545 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: what Harrison Smith does in this league. And he's older 546 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 2: now and I'm sure physically he's probably not the same 547 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: player he was five years ago. But my goodness, man, 548 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 2: when you have such a smart, heady safety playing on 549 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: top of your defense, what a difference that makes, you know, 550 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: depending on where they're at in their career. But I 551 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: just there's just something to be said for that in 552 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: the leadership that he provides. I was super impressed by 553 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: what the Vikings did in that game and really made 554 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: Brock Purdy and the forty nine Ers mortal. They had 555 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: a they were coming off a tough loss against the 556 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, and the Vikings said, you know what, we're 557 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: going to take a piece of this too. 558 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and you know the forty nine Ers 559 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: dealing with their own adversity. They don't have Deebo Samuel 560 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: Trent Williams. 561 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: Did he I don't believe he did. 562 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe he played. You know, their their stud 563 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: left tackle wasn't in there able to tell you though. 564 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's the kind of it's stuff 565 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: that happens in this league. It's the kind of stuff 566 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: that every that every team deals with. We will talk 567 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: more about the Vikings on our next show. We'll also 568 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: provide you know, one thing we didn't get to with 569 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: regard to the Broncos game is the injuries that have 570 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: continued to pile up for the Packers. But when we 571 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: do our next show, the Packers will have their Wednesday 572 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: practice under their belt, will have at least a first 573 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: glance at the injury report for the week, and we 574 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: can try to provide, you know, try to lay out 575 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: the landscape of where things are with the health of 576 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: the Packers. 577 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: On our next episode, Big Dean Lowry at a fumber 578 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: recovery too against the forty nine ers. Don't you pick 579 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: up on that or not? 580 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: I did. I did not because I missed a good 581 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: chunk of the first half. I did watch the second 582 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: half of the game, and yeah, kept waiting for the 583 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: forty nine ers to just look like the forty nine ers, 584 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: and other than a couple of plays here and there, 585 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: they really didn't. And so but a lot of football 586 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: left for them, a lot of football left for the 587 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: Packers as well. With that, we'll call it a rap 588 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. You should follow all 589 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com 590 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: for Wes. I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in, everybody. 591 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.