WEBVTT - The Moonscape

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. I'm Alison Era. You might remember me from the

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode of Intrust. I helped Rachel report some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stories we told you about in this series. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also the Indigenous Affairs correspondent for KOSU, a public radio

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<v Speaker 1>station in Oklahoma. Since Interest came out, I've been hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of people who say that what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to the O Sage wasn't isolated. I've heard from citizens

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<v Speaker 1>of other tribal nations all over Oklahoma with their own stories,

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<v Speaker 1>their own land with big mineral deposits, their own ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>who were victims of exploitation or died suspicious deaths, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was important for you to hear some

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<v Speaker 1>of those stories too, So I'm taking the lead on

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<v Speaker 1>two bonus episodes. The first about a reservation not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from the O Sage Nation. That's today on Intrust.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. We are in Picture Oklahoma, and and it is

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<v Speaker 2>basically I mean, if you can just picture mountains or

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<v Speaker 2>sand dunes, very large sand dunes, just a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>different color, that's what it looks like. And this large

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<v Speaker 2>one behind is it looks like a small mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Martha Barker, a Quapas citizen from Miyama, Oklahoma. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the first Miss Indian USA, and with that title,

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<v Speaker 1>she helped raise money and awareness for Native causes. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>she can, she draws attention to what happened to her

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<v Speaker 1>family and their land on the Quapaw Reservation. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I went out to visit her on that land. And

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<v Speaker 1>Picture Oklahoma in the northeastern part of the state, about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles east of Osage County, and that mountain

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<v Speaker 1>she's describing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the tailings from them running the orange stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>they mine out of the ground. They run it through

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<v Speaker 2>these big crushers to get the lead and zinc out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and then this is the leftovers.

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<v Speaker 1>More than a century ago, a massive amount of lead

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<v Speaker 1>and zinc was discovered in this area, and those minerals

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<v Speaker 1>were extremely valuable. A lot of the bullets fired in

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<v Speaker 1>World War One and World War Two came from here.

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<v Speaker 1>But that mining brought environmental destruction and toxic pollution two

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<v Speaker 1>Now Picture and the surrounding towns are effectively abandoned.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a moonscape. It was on the list

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<v Speaker 2>of the number one superfund sites in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and its lead contamination, you know, in the water, soil, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>A superfund site is a place with so much hazardous

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<v Speaker 1>pollution that the government has to come in to oversee

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<v Speaker 1>the cleanup. This one's called the Tar Creek Superfund Site.

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<v Speaker 1>You may be familiar with this area from news reports

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a ghost town. One headline read, take a

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<v Speaker 1>tour of America's most toxic town. This superfund site is

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<v Speaker 1>sprawling covering Picture nearby Carden and Quapaw Land near the

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas border, about forty square miles. Mining companies dug so

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<v Speaker 1>much here that sinkholes dot the landscape, and some parts

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<v Speaker 1>are blocked off with wire fences to keep people from

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<v Speaker 1>going near there. But what often gets lost in all

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<v Speaker 1>the stories about Picture is whose land this is? Quapaw

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<v Speaker 1>Land and what happened to those Quapaw families whose land

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<v Speaker 1>held some of the greatest mineral wealth America's ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>When you drive into Picture, everything on the left hand

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<v Speaker 2>side of the main drag and going all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to Cardon is basically my family's cousins, families, uncles, aunts

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. It's all of our allotments. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the lead and zinc is still down there. And it

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<v Speaker 2>bubbles up, and the streams and wells and creeks and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>When it rains, the water is orange and it foams.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been there and seen it. There's lead and zinc

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<v Speaker 1>still in all those piles. After it rains, streams look

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<v Speaker 1>slick like oil has been spelled around tar creek plants,

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<v Speaker 1>and the trunks of trees are orange.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what we can do with the land,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's what we've inherited. So we've inherited a big mess,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to back up here to say something about

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<v Speaker 1>the Quapa and how they ended up in Oklahoma. Like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tribes, they were forcibly removed from their

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<v Speaker 1>ancestral homelands in the eighteen thirties. The US government forced

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<v Speaker 1>them from Arkansas and Mississippi to what's now Oklahoma. Before long,

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<v Speaker 1>allotment came. That was the US policy to take communally

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<v Speaker 1>owned land from tribal nations and divide it up and

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<v Speaker 1>sell what was left to white settlers. Knowing that allotment

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<v Speaker 1>was coming whether they wanted it or not, the Quapot

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<v Speaker 1>decided to do it themselves. Martha said that process was corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a gentleman that came from New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>He was Mohawk Indian, and he ingratiated himself into the

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<v Speaker 2>tribe and kind of took over control of our council

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<v Speaker 2>and befriended the BIA and took it upon himself to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot the land. He added in his children, his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>his in laws, anybody that would pay him two hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>he would add him into the tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>The BIA. The Bureau of Indian Affairs rejected the list

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<v Speaker 1>several times, but Martha says the man befriended bureaucrats there too.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he lauded the land, all the good quality land,

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<v Speaker 2>farming land, to his families and to the families that

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<v Speaker 2>bought into the tribe. There's probably about eight of us,

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<v Speaker 2>eight big families that couldn't speak English. We were given

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<v Speaker 2>the land that was poor soil conditions, couldn't grow anything on.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandmother tells stories about how when they first moved there,

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't drink the water. That's where the lead and

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<v Speaker 2>zinc mines were discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the mining on Martha's land was overseen

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<v Speaker 1>by the US government like it did o sage mineral

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<v Speaker 1>wealth as a trustee. Quapaw families say it wasn't managed

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<v Speaker 1>well and that a lot of times it was mismanaged.

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<v Speaker 1>The quapaus mineral rights belonged to whoever owned the land,

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<v Speaker 1>so that wealth it wasn't evenly distributed. Some Quapasa citizens

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<v Speaker 1>hardly got anything. Martha's family allotments had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>leaden zinc under them. One rich deposit was on the

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<v Speaker 1>land of her great great grandmother named Anna Slagel. Martha

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<v Speaker 1>told me a story that was similar to those I'd

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<v Speaker 1>heard in Osage County. Anna at one point was married

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<v Speaker 1>to a Quapa man, and when he died, she inherited

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<v Speaker 1>his wealth. What happened after Anna inherited it, Martha says

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<v Speaker 1>it was suspicious.

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<v Speaker 2>She owned several homes down here along the Spring River

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<v Speaker 2>area and just kind of went back and forth between them.

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<v Speaker 2>She went to the BIA to get a choffur because

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<v Speaker 2>they had to pray everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to remember that a lot of Quapaw families

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't spend any of their money without permission from the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Indiana Affairs.

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<v Speaker 2>She came back with this homeless man. He was non Indian,

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<v Speaker 2>He's a white man, and he's like thirty years younger

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<v Speaker 2>than her. She's an old lady. He's like a young

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<v Speaker 2>young man. They wound up being married, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>was killed by him. I don't know how else to

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<v Speaker 2>say it, any other nice way. He drove She was

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<v Speaker 2>asleep in the backseat of the car, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a big touring car, and he drove her off a

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<v Speaker 2>cliff and he got out. He survived. She did not,

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<v Speaker 2>and he inherited her money and her land. Luckily, she

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<v Speaker 2>did have a will drawn up, so some of her

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<v Speaker 2>children did get some of that land and money.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have the death certificate?

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<v Speaker 2>I do not, but I have an article in a

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper that tells the story about it. How she was

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<v Speaker 2>any investigation, No, why no, No, are you kidding me? No? No,

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a white man and she was full

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<v Speaker 2>blood Indian.

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<v Speaker 1>The article Martha Mentions, from November of nineteen thirty four,

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<v Speaker 1>says Anna Slagel was seventy when she died and had

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<v Speaker 1>interests in seven mining leases. And according to Martha, some

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<v Speaker 1>of Anna's wealth went to her driver and some of

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<v Speaker 1>it to her children. But even the land her family

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<v Speaker 1>did hold on to, it's not in great shape.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure This land was probably, you know, somewhat pretty

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<v Speaker 2>before the mines went in, but now it's just forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>It's forgotten, just like a lot of the tribes are forgotten,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people are forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did the mining go as far as to

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<v Speaker 1>turn a once pristine prairie into such a toxic wasteland.

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<v Speaker 1>And if this was one of the biggest mining operations

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<v Speaker 1>in the country, where did all the money go? It

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<v Speaker 1>turns out there's a guy in town who knows the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the mining industry better than anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>When you grow up in a small town like Pitcher,

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<v Speaker 4>that's really all you know. There may be a town

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<v Speaker 4>next to it, but really all you know is a

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<v Speaker 4>small town.

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<v Speaker 1>This is at Kahili, even though picture is on the

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<v Speaker 1>Quapaw Reservation. A lot of non native families moved here

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<v Speaker 1>in the early to mid nineteen hundreds to work in

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<v Speaker 1>the mines. Ed's family was one of them. That's next.

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<v Speaker 4>I was born in Flippin', Arkansas. My father was a

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<v Speaker 4>sharecropper in Flippin' and in nineteen forty three he heard

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<v Speaker 4>that there was work in Pitcher, Oklahoma. In the mind,

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<v Speaker 4>my mother packed everything we had in a suitcase and

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<v Speaker 4>cardboard boxes, and we caught the train to job in Missouri,

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<v Speaker 4>and somehow we made it from jobling the wonderful Pitcher.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I lived in Picture until I was a

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<v Speaker 4>sophomore in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Kaheely is like a walking encyclopedia. He has boxes

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<v Speaker 1>and boxes of old receipts, maps, photographs. Started as a

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<v Speaker 1>retirement project. Before he moved back to Oklahoma, he lived

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<v Speaker 1>in California, where he was a nuclear engineer for the

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<v Speaker 1>government at the height of the Cold War. But Ed says,

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<v Speaker 1>even with all the projects he had going on back

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<v Speaker 1>in California, he couldn't stop thinking about Pitcher.

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<v Speaker 4>I had always kept ties with the area back here,

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<v Speaker 4>maintained friendships and made a couple of trips a year.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the nineties Ed and his wife packed up

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<v Speaker 1>their things and headed back to Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 4>We live about nine miles east of here along the

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<v Speaker 4>Spring River, and we built a home out there, raised cattle.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to be nearby, but I did not want

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<v Speaker 4>to live in Pitcher. You know, there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of lawns and parks and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed's been researching, digging deep into the history of the

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<v Speaker 1>mining industry. Ed's father worked for the biggest mining company

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<v Speaker 1>in Pitcher, called Eagle Pitcher. At first, I assumed the

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<v Speaker 1>company was named after the town. It wasn't until I

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<v Speaker 1>started talking to Ed that I realized that town was

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<v Speaker 1>actually named after the company.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they began to expand in nineteen fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 4>they needed a town because this was open prairie for miles,

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<v Speaker 4>and they needed employees, So they needed people. Eagle Pitcher

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<v Speaker 4>built a first church in town, and they built a

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<v Speaker 4>few homes for some of their their internal staff, and

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<v Speaker 4>they built first water tower, and they did everything they

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<v Speaker 4>could do to support the town, including providing law enforcement

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<v Speaker 4>in a while, and crazy Town.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen twenties, eleven thousand miners were living in

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<v Speaker 1>and around Pitture. This was all happening on Couapa allotments,

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<v Speaker 1>mining companies releasing and sometimes buying land outright from Quapaw families.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember this was a time when thousands of Native

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<v Speaker 1>Americans were deemed incompetent to handle their own affairs. So

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<v Speaker 1>those leases and deeds they were going through the BIA.

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<v Speaker 4>They began to drill in downtown picture here just two

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<v Speaker 4>blocks over from here, and discovered the mother load of

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<v Speaker 4>the entire Picture mining field was beneath the city of Pitcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed says the BIA and the mining company would negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>leases with the verbal agreement from the Quapa landowner, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the Bureau of Innan Affairs then was supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>collect that money from the mining companies and then pay

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<v Speaker 4>that to the Indian owner.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed's looked at thousands of these leases, and what he

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<v Speaker 1>found was that the US government wasn't collecting the money

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<v Speaker 1>they should have been for Quapaw landowners. Millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, should have ended up with Couapa a lattes

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<v Speaker 1>that mining companies kept for themselves. But it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>the mining companies that were getting rich of the Quapaw land.

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<v Speaker 1>As Ed was digging through all these documents at the

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<v Speaker 1>Ottawa County Courthouse, he started to notice something else that

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<v Speaker 1>there were way more leases than there needed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a ponzi scheme that lasted for the lifetime

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<v Speaker 4>of the mining fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>What Ed found was that Quapaw landowners would enter into

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<v Speaker 1>an agreement to get a royalty rate for their land

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<v Speaker 1>save five percent of the proceeds. But whoever got that

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<v Speaker 1>lease they could release the land to someone else at

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<v Speaker 1>a higher rate, and then someone may package that lease

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<v Speaker 1>up with others and lease it to the mining company

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<v Speaker 1>for even more Basically middlemen layers of investors and companies

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<v Speaker 1>in between the quapaw a lattie and the mine operator

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<v Speaker 1>taking their cut. But this scheme it not only cheated

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<v Speaker 1>the Quapaul landowners, it also ate into the profits of

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<v Speaker 1>the mining companies themselves, and slowly smaller companies started going

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<v Speaker 1>bankrupt or selling to the big players like Eagle Pitcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually only a couple of companies had control of all

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<v Speaker 1>the mining here, and those companies they got more and

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<v Speaker 1>more desperate to extract as many minerals as they could.

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<v Speaker 1>They went back to old mines and dug some more

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the surface, and even dug into what they

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<v Speaker 1>call pillars, the places that miners leave underground to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the surface from collapsing. In the nineteen sixties, there were

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<v Speaker 1>three bad collapses in one neighborhood. Those residents moved, but

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<v Speaker 1>the ground kept collapsing and the toxic piles kept growing.

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<v Speaker 1>Those giant piles they're called chat. While Ed and I

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<v Speaker 1>were talking, he offered to take us to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of one to see what it looks like today.

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<v Speaker 4>We are on top of one of the last tailing

0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.280
<v Speaker 4>piles in the Pitcher mining field in downtown Pitcher. This

0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.640
<v Speaker 4>particular pile is about one hundred and seven feet high

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<v Speaker 4>and about a quarter mile in diameter. And from here

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<v Speaker 4>we can get a panoramic view of the old mining

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<v Speaker 4>field and you can see a large number of tailings

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<v Speaker 4>mill tailings that are still in existence, you know, three

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and sixty degrees from here, to give you some

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<v Speaker 4>sense of the extent of the mining.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a clear and cold day up on the pile.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see Kansas to the north, Missouri to the east,

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<v Speaker 1>with chat piles stretching for miles between like giant sand dunes.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a beat up plastic sled at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the chat pile. A lot of people who grew

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<v Speaker 1>up here remember sledding down. These chat piles are shooting

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<v Speaker 1>bottle rockets.

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<v Speaker 4>See those buildings down there. Those are in the worst zone,

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<v Speaker 4>and the old reunion park where we used to have

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<v Speaker 4>the annual reunion is severely undermined. It was the worst

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<v Speaker 4>area that we found in all of the areas that

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<v Speaker 4>we that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Studied, ed was hired in the early two thousands to

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<v Speaker 1>examine the risk of cave ins, back when a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people were still living in and around Pitcher. His

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<v Speaker 1>job was to figure out which parts of picture were

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<v Speaker 1>most likely to collapse. We have read the report he

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<v Speaker 1>submitted to the Army Corps of Engineers. The risk of

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<v Speaker 1>cavens was so bad that one of their recommendations was

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<v Speaker 1>to reroute school buses so kids weren't at risk of

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<v Speaker 1>the ground collapsing from beneath them on their way to school.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was lead in the soil and the water,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a serious health risk because it can cause

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<v Speaker 1>nerve and brain damage. At one point, the Indian Health

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<v Speaker 1>Service took blood samples from kids around here and found

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<v Speaker 1>elevated lead levels in thirty five percent of the children

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<v Speaker 1>they tested. Eventually, the cavens and the lead pollution were

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<v Speaker 1>so bad the state and the federal government came in

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<v Speaker 1>to buy people out of their homes. That was about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago. Most families didn't want to leave their community,

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<v Speaker 1>a few refused. The buyout process was fraught with all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of allegations of corruption all the way up to

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government. Ed said he spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time back then trying to advocate for local families. He

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<v Speaker 1>was frustrated they weren't being given enough money to move

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<v Speaker 1>ed wanted us to see one of those cavans up.

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<v Speaker 4>Close, this particular area. This is the third time this

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<v Speaker 4>has collapsed. It has been filled and collapsed three times,

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<v Speaker 4>so that you know, you can stand here and you

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<v Speaker 4>can look in all directions and it looks like a

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<v Speaker 4>pristine prairie, and then all of a sudden you get

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<v Speaker 4>something like this and you say, no, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>is this really? Is this land really safe?

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<v Speaker 1>The hole was deep, maybe fifty or sixty feet. There

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was another a few hundred yards away.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody want to go closer and look good? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. This is a small collapse. Yes, this is

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<v Speaker 4>about sixty seventy feet across. As I mentioned, we logged

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and four that were over one hundred feet across.

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<v Speaker 1>As we drove around, we saw trash aerund, the base

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<v Speaker 1>of some chat piles, beer bottles, children's toys, the skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>of an old hotel. It was mid afternoon. If this

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<v Speaker 1>was any ordinary town, school would be letting out people

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<v Speaker 1>heading home from work. But this is picture it's quiet, eerie.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we're going to hop out here real quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one other thing and wanted us to see.

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<v Speaker 1>He took us to another place here The ground wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even ed, says he has a personal connection to this spot.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, now, let me explain to you. During the buyout,

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<v Speaker 4>they were trying to figure out where do we put

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.480
<v Speaker 4>all of the debris from these homes were destroyed. They

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<v Speaker 4>came up with this bright idea that instead of taking

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<v Speaker 4>all of that material to a sanitary landfill and paying

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<v Speaker 4>for it, why don't we just put it in a

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<v Speaker 4>hole in one of the big cave ins and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>market complete and along with everything went in. Here is

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<v Speaker 4>my old childhood home. His is in here, so I

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<v Speaker 4>have a private stake in the in this place.

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<v Speaker 1>During the buyout, remnants of his home and the homes

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<v Speaker 1>of others were put in a sinkhole. According to Ed,

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<v Speaker 1>this land is going to collapse again with all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's wet and decomposing. At one point, the mining

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<v Speaker 1>company Eagle Pitcher was on the hook for almost two

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>million dollars for cleanup, but it filed for bankruptcy and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up paying a lot less. Now it's owned by

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<v Speaker 1>a private equity firm in Chicago. We contacted the firm, GTCR,

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<v Speaker 1>but they declined to comment. We asked ed why he

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<v Speaker 1>spends so much time on all this, Why not just

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<v Speaker 1>leave his childhood home in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Hole and move on everything. We've wasted it, we've messed up.

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<v Speaker 4>We have an obligation to fix and you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's that simple. It is so easy to mess things up,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. We've proven that time and time and time again.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's a whole different thing to try to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fixing picture fixing the Quapaw reservation won't come cheap or easy.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Quapaw Nation is working on that on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and in the courts, and Martha Barker and other

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<v Speaker 1>Quapaw citizens are doing their own reclamation. Those chat piles

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about, they're more than just hills of rubble.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually have value today. It's all raw material for

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<v Speaker 1>making roads, lots of roads. That's next.

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<v Speaker 2>Different. Asphalt comes in different the chunks come in different sizes,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a very very sought after size.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Martha Barker again. She took us out to her

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<v Speaker 1>family's land to show us one of the big chat piles.

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<v Speaker 1>Right as we were standing there talking about the value

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<v Speaker 1>of the piles, a truck drove up next to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Martha weaved it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, by Martha Martner.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, there are you with the tribe or the remediation.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy told Martha he was with an asphalt company.

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<v Speaker 2>How friackin weird was that running into an asphalt guy, right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the way it is. It's like when

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<v Speaker 2>my mom, when she came down one time.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help notice Martha's suspicions of this man. That's

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a long history here between asphalt companies and

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<v Speaker 1>landowners and Martha's mom she was right in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Her name was Ardina Rivard Moore. She lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Miama, a town about fifteen minutes south of Pitcher,

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<v Speaker 1>were she taught Quapau language classes.

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<v Speaker 2>She would drive back and forth, and she kept noticing

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<v Speaker 2>when she'd drive by picture that the chat piles were

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<v Speaker 2>going down and down and down. And so she drove

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<v Speaker 2>out there and she noticed there's just dump bload trucks

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<v Speaker 2>lined up sixteen deep, just hauling off the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>When Martha's mom saw all those trucks, hauling off Chat

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<v Speaker 1>from her land. It made her wonder how much money

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<v Speaker 1>she was getting for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Her IM account hadn't changed in years, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Am an individual Indian money account holds the money the

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 1>government manages for Native Americans. If companies were taking Chat

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<v Speaker 1>off her land, it should be showing up there.

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<v Speaker 2>No income was coming in, but obviously they were hauling

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<v Speaker 2>Chat off. So she called her cousin. They went out

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<v Speaker 2>the next day and they had a little pocket and

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<v Speaker 2>stomatic camera and they started taking pictures of these big,

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<v Speaker 2>huge trucks hauling off all this Chat. And she took

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<v Speaker 2>her pictures. Armed with her pictures, went to the Bureau

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 2>of Indian Affairs in Miama and they told her, do

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<v Speaker 2>not make trouble for this office. Yeah. While that just

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>lit her fire.

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Those pictures she took, they gave her the proof she needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Chat being sold from her land wasn't being paid for.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the early to mid two thousands, Quapas citizens

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<v Speaker 1>boiled two lawsuits related to the sales of Chat. Both

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that their trustee, the federal government, wasn't keeping track

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of all the sales and accused them of mismanagement. The

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<v Speaker 1>one filed by Martha's Mom, Ardina and other plaintiffs was

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:53.639
<v Speaker 1>over piles that disappeared in recent years. A second case

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 1>was over piles that disappeared decades earlier. The US has

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>actually agreed to settle both lawsuits, though without admitting it

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>did anything wrong. We reached out to the BIA and

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>they said they're working to protect the trust assets of

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 1>all Native Americans and Alaska Natives. They said that includes

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>helping people who own mineral rights achieve economic self sufficiency

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>through developing their resources. After the US settled those cases,

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>one of them paid out, that's the one Martha's mom brought.

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>But the other one needs an Act of Congress before

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<v Speaker 1>the government can release the money.

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<v Speaker 3>It has been stuck in committee for the last year

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<v Speaker 3>and a half will not make its way out.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Guy Barker. He's the former secretary treasurer for

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<v Speaker 1>the Quapa Nation and he's an attorney who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>both lawsuits. He's also Martha's son.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a true responsibility, you know, the same way

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<v Speaker 3>as you and I have to pay for our electric

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 3>bill or you know, make your house payment. This is

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>a debt owed by the federal government and they continue

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<v Speaker 3>to sit on it.

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>The payout they're waiting on. It's one hundred and forty

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>million dollars to the Quapaw families involved in the settlement.

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 3>So there's a possibility and given the environment that we're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at right now, with extraordinary expenses and quite a

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 3>lot of debate over government spending, they could make a

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 3>decision not to make good on their promise. And that's

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 3>something that kind of continues to terrify some individuals that

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 3>have worked on this for so well.

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>That money is important enough for quapaf families to pay bills,

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 1>cover expenses, maybe help send their kids to college. But

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Guy says it doesn't even come close to the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth that was extracted from Quapaw land.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 3>And so to imagine that amount of money that could

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 3>have gone to a community, it's hard to wrap your

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 3>head around, and to see what good kind of really

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 3>could have come from it as impossible. But I know,

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 3>having grown up around that area, we're very far from

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>that in terms of reality. The unbelievable majority of our

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 3>tribal members live under the poverty line and to see

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 3>where that has kind of happened, and purely from a

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 3>responsibility standpoint, is it's frustrating.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I asked Guy what he sees when he pictures the

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Quapa Reservation in the future. He says, just look at

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the part of the reservation that wasn't mined.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 3>There's a huge piece of fresh water in a river

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 3>that runs right through the center of the reservation. And

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>there's an area where mining practices were never conducted, right

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 3>and you drive through there and it's heavily wooded. It's

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 3>very green, it's extraordinarily lush. It's beautiful, very hilly, you know,

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 3>picturesque all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>The Quapoun nation is currently working with the EPA to

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>clean up the polluted land. Guy says it will take

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a long time, but an end it'll be worth the work.

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 3>And so hopefully in thirty forty years, you know, we

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:23.239
<v Speaker 3>can kind of see a completely remediated area. It's going

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 3>to be a long process. I'm looking forward to it.

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to watch an unfold come into the

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 3>decades come. But it's certainly not going to happen overnight.

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>We've been telling you the story of the Quappa and

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.479
<v Speaker 1>the fight for their land. It's just one of the

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>many stories I've heard about the taking of land, the

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>taking of wealth. That part of Indigenous history is rarely

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<v Speaker 1>taught in classrooms, and for decades, native stories have been

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<v Speaker 1>written out of the narrative in popular culture, obscured by

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<v Speaker 1>a shinier version of Oklahoma and the West that reduces

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<v Speaker 1>Native people to relics or caricatures and places settlers in

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<v Speaker 1>a more heroic light, or doesn't include Native people at all.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most known stories is a musical set

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<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma, with singing cowboys and dancing farmers, a big

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<v Speaker 1>song about statehood, and a bright golden haze on the meadow.

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