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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: never told your production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to I Guess kind of Part two Man

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Speaker 2: Me and My part. So many segments because this is

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Speaker 2: an extended we're going to talk a lot about board

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Speaker 2: games forever, because we love board games, and we feel

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Speaker 2: like we should be open, welcoming, safe place for those

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Speaker 2: who identify as non binary, film whatever to love board games.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, and so therefore we will continually

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Speaker 2: talk about them. But in this one, we're gonna throw

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Speaker 2: it back with our adventures here. I mean to throw

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Speaker 2: it back to nineteen eighty nine, and I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I was around nine when this came

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Speaker 2: out to date myself, but it was a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: I had just come to the US a couple of

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Speaker 2: years before, so very new to this whole US. Because

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any version of this game. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there's versions of dating games, but not this game.

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Speaker 2: In Korea, maybe there was because Hasbro bought it out

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Speaker 2: I think in nineteen ninety three. Originally it was with

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Speaker 2: a different gaming company. But you were either a toddler

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Speaker 3: As a year old.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't't talk about this anymore,

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Speaker 2: but yes, and we were talking about one of these

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Speaker 2: games that I remember playing but I never owned, because

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Speaker 2: this is a rich girl, middle class game that I

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Speaker 2: was not a part of. My friends were and they

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Speaker 2: let me play this game. And honestly, while we were

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Speaker 2: like we were researching this, I remember the original board

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Speaker 2: game girl Talk, which is truth or Dare and Annie, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you might need to find that because I forgot about

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Speaker 2: this one. Because there are dairs, including calling boys on

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Speaker 3: I remembered this, and if.

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Speaker 2: You don't do it, you have to wear a ZiT

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Speaker 2: on your face like they have stickers.

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Speaker 3: I would be.

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Speaker 2: Shocked if I can find a complete set that actually

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Speaker 2: has ZiT stickers, because you went through those.

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Speaker 3: I did You did?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean you went through the stickers. I

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Speaker 3: Oh you did, Yes, of course you did.

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Speaker 1: Because this is loosely based on it was an episode

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Speaker 1: a Monday Mini we did, yeah, a year ago, maybe

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Speaker 1: more about these games we remembered from our childhood. And

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Speaker 3: Such a gift to you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a wonderful gift. So I remember I couldn't

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Speaker 2: Be shocked to find it. I remember there's also a

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Speaker 2: remember like my friend I think owned all of these games.

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Speaker 2: She was an only child, very sweet, very spoiled. He

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Speaker 2: So whenever I would go over, which was every weekend

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Speaker 2: we were very close friends, we would play these games.

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Speaker 3: The zip one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you ran out of the stickers pretty quickly because

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of things I would not do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I'm imagining now, I would just

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, So this is a part of those games.

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Speaker 2: And the one we're talking about is Girls Talk Dateline

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Speaker 2: cassette player. And Annie and I are like frazzle looking around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So essentially it like came with a very interesting

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Speaker 2: This game is instructions, and there's so many articles y'all

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Speaker 2: The first player to get rid of all their teen

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Speaker 1: Like, essentially these cards just kind of like very short

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Speaker 2: The fashion the copies like some of them include what

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Speaker 3: Cheerleading? Which is this fine?

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Speaker 2: The beach jewelry, hates bugs, baby hitting gym class.

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Speaker 1: My favorite was there were like two clear nerds and

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Speaker 2: The whole Yeah, the whole level is absurd, but genuinely

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Speaker 2: what this is. This was from the Department, a podcast

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Speaker 2: about trends, and they did a whole slumber party series

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Speaker 2: the eighties doing the slumber parties, you're going to play

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Speaker 2: these games, which also included mal Madness.

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Speaker 3: Which was also on another list with girl.

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Speaker 2: Talk about being problematic games it's problematic sexist games.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, we talked about that too,

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Speaker 2: But in here they do talk about both Girl Talk

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Speaker 2: matched up stale gender roles and reinforced caustic stereotypes. I mean, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: And not only is it that way, but if you

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Speaker 3: I was like, why do you note that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll tell you whether or not it was a

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Speaker 3: I don't need this, I don't need this. Life just

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Speaker 1: I feel like for anyone who doesn't know what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, like essentially, you play this cassette tape and

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Speaker 1: And then Tracy was the operator and she'd be like,

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Speaker 3: Whatever she did call that was my favorite she did.

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Speaker 3: That was a great quote. I mean it was me

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will say I had a fun time

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Speaker 2: But yes, we are going to do more of these adventures,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that we're going to try to do

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Speaker 2: I think we need to look into that too, bring wrong,

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Speaker 1: That, Yes, and Samantha will be on Margaret Shows.

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Speaker 3: Yes in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, I don't know.

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