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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bonachelle. In the Last of Days,

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Speaker 1: a self declared evil step mom is convicted of murder

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Speaker 1: an eight year old autistic boy, out into the garage floor,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that would come into evidence, but

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Speaker 1: it certainly should have. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation in

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Speaker 1: series X one eleven, making both sons Anthony and Thomas

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Speaker 1: What was the nail and the coffin the death knel

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Speaker 1: for this evil duo? Text messages proving they were in

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Speaker 1: on it together again, thanks for being with us. How

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Speaker 1: did this whole horrible story begin? What do we know

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Speaker 1: about the facts supporting the conviction? The guilty verdict of

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Speaker 1: a classic evil stepmother? Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. It's a cold February morning

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Speaker 1: his home. When detectives arrived. Thomas Valvo's father is performing

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Speaker 1: to Long Island Community Hospital, where he dies. Doctors determined

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Speaker 1: to try and apply logic to this scenario with me

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Speaker 1: turned lawyer James Shellnutt at Shellnutt Lawfirm dot com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeff Gardeer, Board Certified Clinical Psychologist, Professor Behavioral Medicine at

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Speaker 1: of the Causes of Autism. Stephen Lampley, author, speaker, former

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Speaker 1: and you can find him at Stephen David Lampley dot com.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan with US Death investigator

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Speaker 1: and lead news anchor for w DBO. Ray Kiputo, Ray Kipputo,

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Speaker 1: tell me who, what, where? When? Why? Let's start with who.

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Speaker 1: Who is the dead child? Well done? Child is a

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Speaker 1: precious little boy named Thomas Volva. He was just a

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Speaker 1: You know, you said, to know eight year old kids,

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Speaker 1: To fall in the driveway and get lacerations on your

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Speaker 1: But for your body temperature to be seventy six degrees

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Speaker 1: it all goes to environment doesn't it, Nancy. So if

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Speaker 1: I would watch Angelo physically abuse her twin girls before

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Speaker 1: the boys were involved, Before my daughter was even born.

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Speaker 1: She would beat one of the girls. I would break

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Speaker 1: it up then get there and that she was going

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Speaker 1: to copy. Please, how can a judge leave children in

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Speaker 1: this situation? I want to go out to ray computer.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing that children were visibly dirty, they were starving.

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Speaker 1: They would show up dirty and hungry to school. There

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Speaker 1: were all sorts of red flags, but nothing was done.

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Speaker 1: Why in the world would the judge leave custody with

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Speaker 1: this dad, Well, I mean, I mean they also smelled

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Speaker 1: like you're in too, because they're wetting themselves. But you

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Speaker 1: know what the obvious reason is because the dad was

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Speaker 1: an NYPD cop and he was in the know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't find any other explication of that. We have

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Speaker 1: somebody who works with that system that also has people

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Speaker 1: that are deciding on things that partinue to his life.

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Speaker 1: So that's the only thing I can think of. But

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Speaker 1: on the top of that, judges have a lot of

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Speaker 1: work on their hands and they have to make, you know,

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Speaker 1: this subjective decisions sometimes, and it seems like this guy

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Speaker 1: just the people involved, the different people involved, because it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. Wasn't just one person, They just they took

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Speaker 1: their eye off the ball. And it's just absolutely crazy

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Speaker 1: what happened to this can't Because of that time stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, the child raged on inside of a courtroom,

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Speaker 1: prosecutors revealing the NYPD Valva and fiance Paulina forced little

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Speaker 1: boy Thomas and his brother Anthony to sleep on the

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Speaker 1: cement floor of a garage in their Long Island home

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Speaker 1: while the temperatures outside sunk to below twenty degrees. The

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Speaker 1: boys were forced sixteen hours at a time inside the

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Speaker 1: cold garage, no blankets or access to a bathroom, of

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Speaker 1: punishment punishment for urinating in the home. The little boy

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Speaker 1: died of hypothermia, and we find out that the NYPD

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Speaker 1: this is his bio, dad refused to call nine one

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Speaker 1: one for over an hour as his son goes unconscious.

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Speaker 1: There were seventeen emergency calls that were all explained away

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Speaker 1: and dismissed. The mother in court begging the judge, saying,

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Speaker 1: Anthony is sleeping in the garage, his hands and feet

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Speaker 1: are bright. Read your honor. He's not getting food, and

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Speaker 1: the judge says, missus Valva, move along. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: everything you're saying because you're saying so much. She says judge.

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Speaker 1: CPS Shop Protective Services not doing their job. They're closing

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Speaker 1: the report the very next day, and it goes on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. I want to go to you.

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Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan way in on what you're hearing. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know that from an investigative standpoint, Nancy, there is

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Speaker 1: a lot that we can do as investigators kind of

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Speaker 1: paint the picture of what these children and not just

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Speaker 1: poor little Thomas, but all of these children moving forward,

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Speaker 1: because what happens is is that the body literally leaves

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Speaker 1: you little clues along the way. And at Thomas's autopsy,

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Speaker 1: for instance, when they were examining him, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we can go back to those injuries that he had

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Speaker 1: on his head, those aren't the only injuries he had, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee you that they're not. So what

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Speaker 1: you can do is actually age in these injuries. There's

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Speaker 1: also gonna be evidence of things like in my understanding,

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Speaker 1: the word malnourishment has come up. You're gonna have changes

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Speaker 1: in the teeth. The teeth will rotten, sometimes they'll fall

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Speaker 1: out because of lack of food. You'll get receiving gumblines

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Speaker 1: as a result of this and the aging of the bruising.

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Speaker 1: Or remember that interview that we heard just a moment

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Speaker 1: ago where mom was talking to one of the kids

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Speaker 1: and she was talking about smacking them on the bottom. Well,

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Speaker 1: how many of these injuries have occurred, and we can

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Speaker 1: age those bruises. And then finally, you know, going back

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Speaker 1: to malnourishment, and this is what I'll say about it.

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Speaker 1: You'll see things with malnourishment. First off, Obsen. Obviously, in

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Speaker 1: Thoma's case, you could see an absence of fat, and

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Speaker 1: we people talk baddedly about fat. We need fat, we

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Speaker 1: need fat as energy storage, and we need fat as insulation.

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Speaker 1: This kid would not have had this there, and you

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Speaker 1: would have seen a diminishment. There would have been skin

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Speaker 1: changes where skin looked literally like an old person, if

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Speaker 1: you will, and he's supposed to be vibrant, young Nancy

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Speaker 1: eight years old. There is something very insidious here. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeff had mentioned just a moment ago, how you know

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Speaker 1: they have these cameras in there and this picture that

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Speaker 1: we're painting Nancy. I want to use the word here.

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Speaker 1: These people seem like, say, not satanist, but sadist, where

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Speaker 1: they're literally watching their kids go into total and complete

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Speaker 1: physical and mental diminishment. Guys, take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friend Jennifer mcglogan at CBS two. Still the three sons

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Speaker 1: moved in with NYPD, father Michael Valva and fiancee Angelo

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Speaker 1: Paulina twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, twenty calls from East

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Speaker 1: Marridge's teachers to child Protection hotlines, missing school, black eye lacerations, hungry,

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Speaker 1: visible dirt on body, urine soak clothing. Father blame this

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Speaker 1: on playground mishaps. The special led teacher wrote, not allowed

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Speaker 1: to eat breakfast because they did not use their manners.

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Speaker 1: Five suffix CPS case workers investigated the series of reports

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and concluded did not rise to level

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Speaker 1: of immediate or impending danger of serious harm. No controlling

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Speaker 1: interventions are necessary at this time. Over and over and over,

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Speaker 1: Child Protective Service drops the ball. Now, the mother says,

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Speaker 1: no one would listen. No one would listen. Even with

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Speaker 1: the bio. Mom begging the judge to give her custody.

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Speaker 1: The judge kept telling her to be quiet, stop talking,

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Speaker 1: that she was the one that was not complying. Why

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Speaker 1: because daddy was on the police force. Why has this happened?

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen. Here she is

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Speaker 1: talking to Christian Thorne w ABC seven. Justina Zuko VLVA

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Speaker 1: says no one listened to her or her eight year

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Speaker 1: old son, Thomas Velva about alleged abuse at the hands

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Speaker 1: of Thomas's father, Michael Valva. You know, I always envisioned

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Speaker 1: Hill as being an incredibly hot, fiery pit. But I

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Speaker 1: bet for these two, Satan will arrange something very special,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be as cold as a slab. Goodbye, friend,