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Speaker 1: things from the ground level up. We've got a great

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Speaker 1: voice to do that. Tim Kelly is the mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Tim joins us now in the Interactive Broker studios here

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg. Mayor Kelly, how are you. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: How are y'all? We're doing well. It's good to have

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Speaker 1: you with us. It's great to be here. Are we

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Speaker 1: doing well? We have a lot of questions that are

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Speaker 1: out there in terms of economic You were just saying,

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Speaker 1: how like the market. It's a beautiful thing. This weekend

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Speaker 1: thinking about. Okay, So so tell us how the outlook

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Speaker 1: looks from your perspective and what's going on in your city.

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Speaker 1: I've only been the mayor for about a year, you know,

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Speaker 1: I came at it from a business perspective of a

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Speaker 1: in the philanthropic world too, and didn't really and still

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Speaker 1: don't really have future political ambitions. I really just believe

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Speaker 1: that Chattanooga has the potential to be one of, if

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Speaker 1: not the best city in America, all things considered. And

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Speaker 1: so entrepreneurs hate wasted potential and and that was kind

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Speaker 1: of my thesis, right. So, but we're doing well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we weathered the pandemic well, I mean, we had

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Speaker 1: and um, we made it through. What's well? What's well?

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Speaker 1: Tell us about growth? Tell us about unemployment? Okay, well, unemployment,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, is sitting about three. Um. Really, frankly,

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Speaker 1: most of our problems are stacking up on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the ledger where you know, again I'm every

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Speaker 1: day turning the crank with one hand for economic development,

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Speaker 1: you know that's the bulk of what I do every day.

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Speaker 1: How do you get more people to move to Chattanooga

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Speaker 1: my predecessors had the vision and foresight to invest I

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Speaker 1: think it was about two twenty million bucks at the time,

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Speaker 1: But it's been transformative, it really has, right, So you know,

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Speaker 1: The thesis was basically that you know, if you can

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Speaker 1: I think United Van Lines did a survey. They've been

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Speaker 1: what is the inflow that you're seeing? Well, that's really

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Speaker 1: What would surprise people about Chattanooga, those who might not

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Speaker 1: then we'll come back and talk some more. You said

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Speaker 1: to Tim Kelly. He's mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee. He's in

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Speaker 1: Tim Kelly, what a pleasure. UM, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. He is the mayor of Chattanooga.

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