1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: How does a twenty two year old young man, with 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: his whole life ahead of him, a loving family supporting 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: him everything, how does he turn into a mass shooter? 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: And how does the word in cell involuntary celibate factor 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: into this scenario? An in cell a mail that feels 6 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: so rejected and so mistreated by women he wants to 7 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: kill them. We are talking about twenty two year old 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Jake Davidson. Take a listen to our friend Paul brand 9 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: A yellow tint tells you why, but not yet why 10 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: his victims were chosen him. Police search for answers which 11 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: may never truly be found. Can anything explain the motives 12 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of a man who mostly let luck decide which lives 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: he took and which lives he traumatized? A couple of 14 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: the gun shots went off, and I ran opposite a 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: pub and the owner came out and he shouted at me, 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: he just went getting here, getting in out, And so 17 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I forward rolled into the pub and I literally hung 18 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: underneath one of the pool tables, hung on for dear life, 19 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: and I froze who locked the door and he closed 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the windows, and my mum sent me a message saying, hide, 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: stay safe, stayed down. Lock yourself away outside, Twenty two 22 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: year old Jake Davison was targeting others seemingly at random, 23 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: his weapon believed to be a pump action shotgun. You're 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: hearing Peggy Harday, a survivor of this mass shooting, joining 25 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: me an all star panel, but first to Dave Matt, 26 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime Online and also host of a 27 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: hit series, The Mark and Mac Show at Life Radio FM. 28 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: It's also on podcast, The Mark and Mac Show. Dave, 29 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: You and I covered the Pulse shooting together in Florida, 30 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and just yesterday, Dave Mac, I was in Orlando because 31 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: this week would have been little Kelley Anthony's sweet sixteen, 32 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: and I went by Pulse to see what had become 33 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: of it, and it's turned now into a memorial, like 34 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: a shrine to all of the bargoers that were murdered 35 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: that night. But something reminds me of Pulse in this scenario. 36 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: You heard Paul Brand reporting and the survivor, Peggy stating 37 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: that the purp went about and was people were shutting windows. 38 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: People were basically trapped there trying to protect themselves. Tell 39 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: me what happened, Dave Matt, who is this guy? Twenty 40 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: two year old Jake Davison. Jake Davison is a twenty 41 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: two year old who has been working as an apprentice 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: for a defense and engineering company called Babcock International. He's 43 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: a so called bodybuilder who has posted many many things 44 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: on social media over the last several years, and at 45 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: twenty two years old, he is finding himself at totally loose, 46 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: ends to the point where he blames women in particular, 47 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: he blames his mother for all of the failures in 48 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: his life. And he just came to this point where 49 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: he grabbed his pump shotgun and started he seek revenge 50 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: on the people, first of all that he saw as 51 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: the enemy or the people who caused him to be 52 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: in the situa. You mean women, specifically, starting with murdering 53 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: his own mother. I'm looking at a photo right now, Jack. 54 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: You don't know if you can see what I've got up, 55 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: And this is of Jake Davidson posting a photo of 56 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: himself the Rambling Virgin, as he is called. Davison says 57 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: he hoped working out would help him be more attractive 58 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: to women, the Rambling Virgin, and in his postings he 59 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: does ramble on and on and on with me as 60 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: I said an all star panel including Matthew Mengino, former 61 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: district attorney in Lawrence County, now lawyer, author of The 62 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: Executioner's Tool. Doctor Jillian Peterson, forensics psychologist, Associate Professor of 63 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Criminology at Hamling University in Saint Paul, an expert on 64 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: mass shootings and violence prevention, the author of the Violence 65 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: Project How to Stop a Mass Shooting Epidemic. Joe Scott Morgan, 66 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: Professor forensics at ex of All State University, author of 67 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a 68 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Brandy hit series on iHeart the Piketon Massacre, and of course, 69 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: investigative reporter and star of the Marketing Mac Show Dave 70 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: mac guys, I want you to take a lesson to 71 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: reporter Paul Davies with ITV. He also researched online the 72 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: culture known as in cells, men who like himself, view 73 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: their own bodies as loathsome and unlovable. Lewis Brace at 74 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Exeter University had studied the culture and says it can 75 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: have tragic consequences. In most people, this materializes in severe 76 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: case of depression and increase of suicide, but for small 77 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: minority these views start to express themselves in violent ways, 78 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: and they start to think about conducting violent actions against women. 79 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Hi Elliott Roger was probably the most notorious in cell 80 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: killer seven years ago in California. He shot dead six 81 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: people and injured many more before turning his gun on himself. 82 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: But to you, Matthew Mangino, attorney joining US, former prosecutor 83 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: and author, that does not rise to any type of insanity. 84 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: He writes, I used to be okay with being a virgin, 85 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: but when you get older, inferiority complex kicks in and 86 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: missing out occurs. Trying to be a sexually frustrated male 87 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: with tons of health issues. You feel like you miss 88 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: out on so much in life. But that's not insanity, Matthew, No, 89 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: it's not. It's more in line with entitlement. Jake Davidson 90 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: fills as though he's entitled. He's entitled to have an 91 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: intimate relationship with a woman. He's entitled, you know, to 92 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: be a healthy person. He's entitled to be to have 93 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: a friends. It's all about what he wants. Uh. You know, 94 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: these are the words of a selfish person who feels 95 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: as though he's not getting what he deserves to have. 96 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Matthew Man Gino, You're usually very precise, but I have 97 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: to disagree with you. It's not that he wanted a 98 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: relationship with women. As far as I could tell, all 99 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: he talks about is sex. He's not having sex. He 100 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a virgin, and he's pot about it. 101 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he wants like a relationship where they 102 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: go out and have coffee and they take long walks 103 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: together and read poetry out of books in the park. 104 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: He just wants it down and dirty. That's why he's mad, right. 105 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: He wants to dominate women. You know, he's a male supremacist. 106 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: He's the kind of person that is entitled to do 107 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: whatever he wants in terms of his relationship with the woman, 108 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: to dominate that woman. You know, he's a selfish, self 109 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: centered person that wants his own way. Well, other words 110 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: come to mind, but I don't think vaccination or series 111 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: six then, would like me to say them on the air. 112 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut, Tiene. This is from 113 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Channel four. It's an online subculture defined by anger and 114 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: loneliness translated into hatred for women. Jake Davidson described himself 115 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: as an in cell what appears to be a growing 116 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: community of men who identify as involuntary celibate or unable 117 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: to form intimate relationships with women. You know, the reality 118 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: is is that you know, love is for the young. 119 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: You all love is for the young. That's His videos 120 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: have since been taken off message boards and forums, but 121 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: you can see him clearly interacting with in cell groups, 122 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: describing his deteriorating mental health, posting this clip that he 123 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: felt represented their plight, show oppressed scape, and submerging himself 124 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: into violent video games and gun culture. Crime stories with 125 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Doctor Gillian Peterson joining US Associate Professor of Criminology, 126 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: Hamlin University in Saint Paul and author of the Violence 127 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: Project How to Stop at Mass Shooting Epidemic. Doctor Jillian, 128 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: you're very familiar with the insell subculture. Explain I am. Yes, 129 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: there's a section in my book on the subculture and 130 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: how it relates to mass shooting. So in cells, like 131 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: we've been hearing in these clips, are self declared involuntary celibates. 132 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: So men who aren't able to have sex, who are 133 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: typically isolated, depressed, lonely, who find other people who think 134 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: like them in these online communities and can really get 135 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: radicalized toward hatred and violence, and sometimes they talk about 136 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: declaring war on what they call the chads in the 137 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: state sees, which are the people of this world who 138 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: are able to find relationships and have sex. And so 139 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: this anger and sort of violence kind of bruise on 140 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: these chat rooms and in these communities. You are hearing 141 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: the voice of doctor Jillian Peterson, forensic psychologist and author. 142 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: You said that he's not able to have sex. I 143 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: believe he is physically able to have sex. He's just 144 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: not having sex that he doesn't have a woman to 145 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: be with. But he is physically able. He's not impotent, correct, doctor, Yes, 146 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: that is right by this book there, it's just that 147 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: no one will have sex with him. So he's angry 148 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: that there's sort of no woman interested in him. So 149 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: he decides he's angry at all these women and it's 150 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: their fault. Dave mac how many people did he murder? 151 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Murdered six total. The one thing that strikes me on 152 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: this is that Jake Davison looked at himself and saw fat, failure, ugly, 153 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: that's what he saw, and he equates physical beauty with 154 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: sexual relationship. He doesn't see the depth. He doesn't see 155 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: a relationship. He only equates it to the physicalness, and 156 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: he blames his mother and her bloodline for him being 157 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: fattened ugly. In his own words, that's why the violence 158 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: that he showed towards her was different than everybody else. 159 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: This guy pounded on her front door nudes. He over 160 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: and over and over. Neighbors heard him pounding on her 161 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: front door. Then he kicks the door in and pumps 162 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: the shotgun and blows his own mother away with a 163 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: pump action shotgun. After that, he went out the back 164 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: door and just randomly shot at people. She was the 165 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: focus of the attack. Everybody else, God love him. They 166 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: just were in the wrong place at the wrong time. 167 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: Maxine Davidson, Kate Shepherd, Sophie Martin, to name a few. 168 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: To try to kill Sophie Martin, he also killed Leigh Martin, 169 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: Sophie Father. You know, I'm looking at pictures of this 170 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: guy right now. He doesn't look in his words fat 171 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: to me. He's pumping iron, he's obviously got a home 172 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: gym going on, and he's lifting weights, and he kind 173 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: of reminds me a little bit in the face of 174 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: Jack Black, who I adore, but I wouldn't say that 175 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: he's as he says, fat, I don't see it based 176 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: on the workout videos and photos that he is posting. 177 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: And speaking of his postings, jos Goot Morgan, have you 178 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: listen to these things? Yeah, unfortunately I have. I wish 179 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: I could take colm, take my brain out of my 180 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: skull and scrub it with Comet's a. It's a horrible thing. 181 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, he's sitting here and just pontificating over you know, 182 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: he's got this platform that he was doing this on 183 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: and revealing us all with you know, his woes and 184 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. That it all's doom and gloom. 185 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about it is is that 186 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: he's indulgent in and of himself. And it seems as 187 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: though that maybe he had been indulged throughout his life 188 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: to take on this martyr, this martyrship that he owns, 189 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: and then of course in the end, he winds up 190 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: ending all of these people's lives, including his own mother. 191 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: It's it's it's unconfortable because he's not having sex. He 192 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: has to kill six people because he's not having sex. 193 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: M guys, we are talking a lot about his postings, 194 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: his rantings as He's been described as a rambling virgin. 195 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: Take a listen to reporter Paul Brand at ITV. Listen. 196 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Police will be analyzing rambling videos Davison posted, like this one, 197 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: appearing to identify with a sexist internet subculture, men who 198 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: call themselves in cells or involuntary celibates. Nothing's changed, but 199 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm still in the same position, same period in life. 200 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: Still a miss that virgin fa ugly would want of me, 201 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: you want to call it. What's changed? Those kind of 202 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: thoughts have been linked to violence before, raising concerns about 203 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: why he had a gun license. Clearly, I'll be asking questions, 204 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: definitely in terms of local police in I'm raising this 205 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: with the Chief Council. But tonight the main puzzle for police, 206 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: why did Jake Davison kill his own mother and for 207 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: others he may not have known at all. And of course, 208 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, prosecutors don't have to prove motive. That's not 209 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: their burden to crawl into this guy's head and figure 210 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: out why he did what he did. You've got to 211 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: prove who, what, when, and that the act caused the death. 212 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: That's what you've got to prove, but not motive. Agree. 213 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: I agree. In obviously in this situation, you know, we 214 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: know what happened. This isn't an investigation to try to determine, 215 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, who is responsible for the death of these 216 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: five people. But what we can do by looking at 217 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: this very closely is determined how it's we might do 218 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: a better job of preventing this type of incident from 219 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: happening in the future. You know, what kind of red 220 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: flags are there, What kind of things should we be 221 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: looking at in terms of online profiles and other things 222 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: that might give us some indication that someone's going to 223 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: act out in this violent manner. You know, the only 224 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: way to stop something like this, whether it's a mass 225 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: shooting because you're sexually frustrated or it's a school shooting, 226 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: is through intelligence being able to gather information so that 227 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: we can take some action to prevent it. You're not 228 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: going to stop it necessarily, Well, it's happening unless in 229 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: this case he shoots himself or or something else happened. 230 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: But we have to stop it before it had I agree, 231 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: you know what, and a perfect way to do that, 232 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, How hard would it be? These in cells 233 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: a volunteers celibate guys go online in these chat rooms 234 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: and whine and complain about how women are rejecting them. Hello, 235 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: why do you think you're being rejected because of your 236 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: awful attitude, because of your whole horble hate for women? 237 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: That that that's why. But how hard would it be 238 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: to infiltrate these specific centifiers that you would that you 239 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: would be looking for for somebody that's kind of putting 240 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: forth all of this rot and it is rot? Hey 241 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: j Scott, how hard is it because the Feds? Well, really, 242 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: anybody can infiltrate hate groups like white supremists uh, um, 243 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: black panthers, um, all sorts of hate groups. Uh, the 244 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Jihad it's so anti Semites. You go online and you 245 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: can very easily get and they're hateful chat rooms. Yeah, 246 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: you can't. Depended upon whether or not the government officials 247 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: that have that kind of authority, it has risen to 248 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: the level where they want to investigate how many women 249 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: have to die? Joe Scott, level are you talking about? Well, 250 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: to the level that it shocks the conscious of the 251 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: bureaucrats that sit in the office and try to try 252 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: to make this decision. Well, I'm shocked. Crime stories with 253 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace guys we're talking about in cults and how 254 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: these disgruntled, angry men who are not having sex for 255 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: whatever reason begin to hate women with such a deep 256 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: misogyny that they actually act on their hatred and commit murder. 257 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: Back to doctor Jillian Peterson, joining US Associate Professor Criminology, 258 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: Hamlin University in Saint Paul and author, doctor Jillian, you 259 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: mentioned that many of the insells referred to they have 260 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: monikers for people, stereotypes of people, like Chad's and Stacy's. 261 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: What's a Stacy so as Stacy would be a good 262 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: looking woman who can easily attract men, and a Chad 263 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: would be a good looking man who can easily attract women. 264 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these guys in this 265 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: subculture they hate Chads and Stacy's. They hate women, and 266 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: they also hate themselves. There's this kind of self losing 267 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: aspect to it, which is why when we see mass 268 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: shootings happen like this, oftentimes the perpetrator killed themselves in 269 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: the act as well. So Stacy's are women that like 270 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: to be with and Chads are men that they're jealous of. Exactly. Okay, now, 271 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: what do you make of this guy? Jake Davidson. I mean, 272 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind he's an insell. Yeah, 273 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: he does seem to have the ideology to talk about 274 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: the ideology, to have spent time online connecting with the ideology. 275 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: What's interesting is the fact that he targeted his mother 276 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: rather than targeting sort of Chads and Stacy's like Elliot 277 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Rodgers for example. So he certainly blames his mother mats 278 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: Shooters always target what they see as representing their grievance 279 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: with the world, So his mother is the main target, 280 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: and then everybody else was just kind of there. I mean, 281 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: there's a whole jargon that goes into the in cell. 282 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: I guess you would say lexicon. They are called There 283 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: are fake cells, there are vose cells, in cells, Curry cells, 284 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: ethnel cells. There's just such a variety. But they all 285 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: have one thing in common, and that is hatred for women. 286 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. He was a troubled young man, 287 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: unhappy with the handlife had dealt him. What turned the 288 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: disgruntled Jake Davidson into a mass killer? Detectives hope the 289 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: clues will be found in his many posts on social media. 290 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm so beaten down and defeated for life, but drive 291 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: the on one's heart has gone life. A theme of 292 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: his postings is his belief that he is unattracted to 293 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: women and unable to get a girlfriend. These images he 294 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: posted on the popular forum read It nine months ago, 295 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: posing the question am I ugly brutally honest? And asking 296 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: users to give him their opinions. You know what I've noticed, 297 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: doctor Jillian Peterson, is that if you look at the 298 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: ramblings of the in cells, they blame the women, the 299 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: Stacy's as they call them, for their the perhaps violent acts. 300 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: They actually blame the women for what the killer does 301 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: they do. And you see this amongst perpetrators of mass 302 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: shootings is they feel like they haven't been given what 303 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: they're owed in this life. They're angry, they're depressed, and 304 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: so they pick this thing to blame. And in the 305 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: ones I've studied, there's twenty two cases where mats woters 306 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: have chosen women as it's women's fault. And so I'm 307 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: going to go out and target women, and I'm going 308 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: to do this act so that everybody sees and witnesses 309 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: how angry I am. So everybody's talking about it, so 310 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: it's on the front page and then new that's how 311 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of get my message out. So 312 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: people are talking about well, according to the most recent 313 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: in cell killer, involuntary celibate, Jake Davison, there's plenty of 314 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: people to blame for his Jake Davison's lot in life. 315 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: You were just hearing Paul Davies with ITV. Now take 316 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut fifty three. Let's hear from 317 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. No, I'll come. I'm so beaten down 318 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: and defeated life not drive the O one's hide. That's 319 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: gone line. You know, I'll try always keep trump, but 320 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: it's it's like I'm at the point nine where it's like, 321 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: why do I even on that? For what you know, 322 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm still in the same house, same situation, same position, Still, 323 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: everyone's still the same. For the most part. It's just 324 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: been me against the world. It's just been me fleeting 325 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: an uphill bottle with a big rock on the box. 326 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, while I'm seeing that don't deserve half of anything, 327 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: they're getting a free rode to the top. So he says, 328 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: he's looking around and saying other efforts that don't deserve 329 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: half of anything, and they're getting a free ride to 330 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: the top. Wow. Matthew Mangino, attorney, former district attorney. I've 331 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: seen so many defendants that resort to violence, that blame 332 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: other people that have had some semblance of success, like 333 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: they have a job, or they have a girlfriend, or 334 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: they have an apartment, blame them for their crime. But 335 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: there's no question about this, you know, as they said earlier, 336 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: you know this is this is a matter of entitlement. 337 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, my my mother used to say that there's 338 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: there's a lid for every pot. Okay, So this idea 339 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: that that you can't find a romantic interest, you can't 340 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: find a sexual partner. It's not that they can't, it's 341 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: that they that they want. They want a supermodel, they 342 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: want a movie star, they want the most beautiful woman. 343 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: It's out there. So they're they're jealous of the chads 344 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: who have those women. Okay. So so now it just 345 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: continues to grow, and now women are the focus of 346 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: their hatred, not because they can't find a girlfriend down 347 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: the street, but because they want the most beautiful woman. 348 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: They want the most glamorous woman, and they're entitled to that. 349 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: And because they don't get it, now they can funnel 350 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: their hate toward women and take it out on them. 351 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: So how did it boil over, ending in the death 352 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: of six people? Take a listen to Paul Brand. Police 353 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: were first alerted to gunfire at eleven minutes past six 354 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: last night in the Kyam area of Plymouth. It had 355 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: begun at a house on Biddick Drive, where Jake Davison's 356 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: first victim was his own mother, fifty one year old 357 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Maxine Davison. He then left the house and took his 358 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: gun onto the street, where his second victim would be 359 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: his youngest, killing three year old Sophie Martin and her 360 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: father Lee Martin. Moving further along Biddick Drive, he shot 361 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: an injured two other adults before turning into a park 362 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: where he killed fifty nine year old Stephen Washington, and 363 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: then on to Henderson Place where he shot Kate Shephard, 364 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: who died in hospital. Mack to Dave Mack, Investigate, a 365 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: reporter with Crime Online and star of the Mark and 366 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: Max Show at Life Radio dot com. It's also a podcast, 367 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: Dave Mack. I'm listening to the events unfollow old about 368 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: how six people died, But you say it all started 369 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: with him kicking in the door of his own mother's 370 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: place and shooting her. That's absolutely correct. He pounded on 371 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: her front door. She wouldn't let him in at first, 372 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: and neighbors heard the disturbance and started paying attention. Once 373 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: he did finally kick in her doors, he never actually 374 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: let him in. He used that pump action shotgun and 375 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: shot her. Then he's dressed in black and dark gray. 376 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: He goes out the back door Nancy, and that's when 377 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: again it's a hunt from there on out. Well, as 378 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: it turns out, the police feared invading his privacy, they 379 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: did not check his social media history before giving him 380 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: back his shotgun. That ultimately leads him to murder, him 381 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: to kill six people. So is it true that his 382 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: shotgun had been confiscated and gave it back to him, Dave, 383 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. What happened is he was in a 384 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: he was accused of assault last September, and we're not 385 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: exactly sure who that was with because some of the 386 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: documents re sealed, But what he agreed to was to 387 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: undergo anger management. After going through this anger management session, 388 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: the police then reinterviewed him and gave him back his 389 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: shotgun and his wife and the shotgun he used to 390 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: kill six people. Well, I guess they didn't see this, Jackie. 391 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: If you could play our cut two where they so 392 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: called rambling Virgin compares himself to the Germinator. The whole 393 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: premise of the Terminator movies is up. You know, everything's 394 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: rigged against you. There's no hope for humanity, you know, 395 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: world the brink of extin showing you know that these 396 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: machines are unstoppable killing machines, the com be beaten, comp 397 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: yet smarted. But yeah, humanity still tries to fight to 398 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: the end. And I'll know it's a movie, Vivas. And 399 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: you know, I like to think sometimes you don't want 400 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: to terminate her or something split split, you know, reaching 401 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: almost total system failure. He keeps searan accomplish his mission, 402 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, accomplish his mission, you mean killing six people? 403 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about 404 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: a mass shooting by yet another in cell involuntary Celibrate. 405 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: But this guy, uh by far Jake Davison, not the 406 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: first in cell. Possibly the most famous in cell is 407 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers out of la Take a listen to Elliott 408 00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Roger's own retribution YouTube video. Should I Am going to 409 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will 410 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up, blonde slut I see 411 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: inside there, all those girls that I've desired so much. 412 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: They would have all rejected me and looked down upon 413 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: me as an inferior man if I ever made a 414 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: sexual advance towards them. While they throw themselves at these 415 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: obnoxious brutes, I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. 416 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: You will finally see that I am, in truth, the 417 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: superior one, the true alpha male. Yes, after I've annihilated 418 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: every single girl in the sorority house, I'll take to 419 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person 420 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: I see there. The hatred just oozing out of every 421 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: poor his misogyny, hatred of women, leading him overtaking him 422 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: to commit mass murder. That's what we're talking about when 423 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: we say and sell take a listen to this, Hey, 424 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: Elliot Roger. Here, I'm up in the hills in Monticito 425 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: right now. It's truly a beautiful day. But as I've 426 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: always said, a beautiful environment is the darkest hell if 427 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: you have to experience it all alone and sadly, I've 428 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: been alone for a very long time. I've been attending 429 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: college in Santa Barbara for about two and a half 430 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: years now. In those two and a half years, I've 431 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: experienced nothing, loneliness and misery. And my problem it is girls. 432 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: There are so many beautiful girls here, but none of 433 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: them give me a chance. And I don't know why. 434 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't know why you girls are so repulsed by me. 435 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: This is a guy who has everything a forty thousand 436 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: dollars BMW, three hundred dollars ARMANI sunglasses, flying first class 437 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: all over the world, heading to a Katy Perry concert 438 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: on a private plane. Inside the privileged life of the 439 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: so called Virgin Killer. His father, a director of the 440 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: hit movie series The Hunger Games and the dichotomy doctor 441 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: Jillian Peterson, of hearing him go on and on about 442 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: his miserable life. When you literally hear the birds singing 443 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: in the background of what I perceived to be a 444 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: beautiful sunny day, I know those videos are so chilling. 445 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: And this is a case that I've spent a lot 446 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: of time studying and talk to people who knew him 447 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: and knew his life leading up to this, and This 448 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: is where this kind of in cell subculture and these 449 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: online communities can really embolden someone because people will say, 450 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: before he started going online, he was depressed, he was sad, 451 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: but he wasn't sort of violent. And we see the 452 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: same thing with the plimouth shooter. This is not just 453 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: a guy sitting around sad and depressed because we can't 454 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: get a girlfriend. This is someone actively making videos, going 455 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: in chat room looking for people to say, yeah, you're right, 456 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: you should do this. Violence is the answer. We think 457 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: just like you do. And it's finding that validation online 458 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: that seems to sort of push these guys to another level. 459 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. Matthew Mangino, attorney joining us out 460 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: of Lawrence County, author of the Executions Toll, Former prosecutor 461 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: Matthew Um it's kind of a pack mentality. I've noticed 462 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: since I really first started prosecuting that very often you 463 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: see people in a group do things they would never 464 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: do all on their own, right. I mean we see 465 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: that in physical groups, uh, you know, mobs, and we 466 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: see that now manifest itself online where where you can 467 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: go and you can meet as a group and you 468 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: can you can share these thoughts. Uh, that that you 469 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: have and then and then begin to build on those 470 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: And there are people in those chat rooms and online 471 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: who are inciting violence, who are saying that violence is 472 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And uh, you know, there's 473 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: no issue of privacy here. You know, if you're gonna 474 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: go out there, you're going to share your thoughts, your hatreds, 475 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: your your willingness to kill and to main people because 476 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: you're unsatisfied with your life. Well, we should be able 477 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: to monitor that, and we should be and we should 478 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: be taking those kind of threats that are made online. Seriously, 479 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: how many women are gonna have to die before the 480 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: fans take the advice of Attorney Matthew Mangino. But you 481 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: know another issue though, Dave matt was at Dave mac 482 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: or Matthew Mangino that gave a quote from his mother 483 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: just a few moments ago, Matt, I wonder if your 484 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: mother ever said, Uh, if your friends jump over Cliff, 485 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: would you do it too? Because you go online and 486 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: you hear people inciting violence, just because they're inciting violence 487 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you have to feed into it and 488 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: do the wrong thing. Well, I think I think they're 489 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: looking for that. They're looking for you know, some way 490 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: to funnel their frustration and hatred, and it's by going 491 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: online and meeting people who have the same you know, 492 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: sort of interests or disinterests or hatred hatred. They build 493 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: on that and among one another, they begin to embolden 494 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: each other that this type of violent contact conduct is 495 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: the answer to your prompts. You know, batter women, kill women, 496 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: and that's why you'll that's where you'll get some satisfaction 497 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: for what you've been deprived. Guys, take a listen to 498 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: more of Elliott Roger Virgin Killer. I should be the 499 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: one with the girls. I mean, look at me, I'm gorgeous, 500 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: but you girls don't see it. I don't understand why 501 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: you're so repulsed by me. Why won't you give me 502 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean the other day I 503 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: was doing some grocery shopping at Traitor Joe's and I was, 504 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: of course all alone, as I always am, which makes 505 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: me feel so miserable. Anyway, I was doing my shopping 506 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: and I see this, this like disgusting looking loser. Well 507 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: he's a loser in my opinion, and he walks in 508 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: with these two beautiful blonde girls. At his side. I 509 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: couldn't believe my eyes. I was so insulted by that, 510 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: because I should be the one with the girls in 511 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: sales involuntary celibates. You're hearing Elliot Rodgers is so called 512 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: virgin killer, but he's by far not the only in 513 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: cell killer. Take a listen and learn about Alec. Menesian 514 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: police say he killed ten and injured fourteen others as 515 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: he zig zagged from the street onto the sidewalk, hunting 516 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: his targets. His father leaving court yesterday weeping after his 517 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: son was charged. Menassians said to have taken to social 518 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: media just before the attack. The cus is alleged to 519 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: have posted a cryptic message on Facebook minutes before he 520 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: began driving the rented van. That message including these words 521 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: all hail Supreme Gentleman Elliot Roger and not only him, 522 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: but another in cell does the name Trace Genko ring 523 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: a bell? Take a list. A new federal case involves 524 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Trace Genko from Hillsborough. Investigators say, 525 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: starting in twenty nineteen, he plotted a mass shooting of 526 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: women at a university in Ohio. They say he often 527 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: posted online They reinforce each other's extreme interpretation of events 528 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: around them, but they also share information about how to 529 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: get firearms training. The FED say he had guns modified 530 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: to work like machine guns, conducted surveillance and research sororities 531 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: women live there right, and that it will work as 532 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: a powerful demonstrative symbol to others in the movement. They 533 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: found manifestos Genko drafted mentioning OSU kill counts and that 534 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: he would slaughter women. Jepson says manifestos outlined reasons for 535 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: violence while attempting to make the creators appear as role models. 536 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: I think it's important that we take all this seriously 537 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: so that we understand it correctly, so that are able 538 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: to prevent in the future. And there's more. Take a 539 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at NBC. Police identifying the gunman 540 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: as forty year old Scott Paul Barley. Authorities say he 541 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: killed two people on Friday and shot five others before 542 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: taking his own life. It appears Barley posted dozens of 543 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: misogynistic and racist videos on YouTube. The videos, which were 544 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: not widely viewed, have been removed by YouTube because of 545 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: their offensive content. According to arrest records, Barley had a 546 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: history of harassing women in Florida, according to one Tallahassee 547 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: police incident report. In twenty twelve, he was arrested for 548 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: battery for grabbing girls butts near FSU's campus. A twenty 549 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: sixteen arrest report for battery states that Beer he approached 550 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: a woman at a Tallahassee area pool and slapped her butt, 551 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: grabbed it, and shook it. Both charges were eventually dropped. 552 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: The reality is that Beyearly goes on to become the 553 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 1: so called hot Yoga shooter, going into a hot yoga 554 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: class and opening fire, killing the women in the class. 555 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: And now another in sale emerges, Jake Davison now dead. 556 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: But when will the movement die? Nancy Grace Crime story 557 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: signing off good my Friend,