WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Seven (Thursday) 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:02.880 Media. 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.760 Damn, they got me feeling like white. Michael Clayton, I'm 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.200 at Zeitron and this is Better Offlines coverage of the 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:23.360 Consumer Electronics Show. We are as we have been all 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.440 week here in the beautiful Palazza Hotel in beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.800 bringing you yet another episode covering CS with the crazy 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.000 assortment of guests from the tech industry. We've got an 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.080 open bar, tacos and places to sit down for the 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:36.879 members of the media, whether they join us on the 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.559 microphone or not. This is our second episode of the day. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.240 It's Thursday, and we've got two more on Friday and 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.400 an epilogue on Saturday. Then they're going to roll me 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.440 into one of the aqueducts here and flush me into 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.920 the sewer. But before they do that, it's time to 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.800 introduce the latest contestants on the CES Challenge. Joining me 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.080 as ever as stand up comedian and star of it 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:59.000 is this thing on Chloe Radcliffe. No, no, not any more, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:02.880 No not unfortunately, no. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.560 Very fortunately it can still here. You can't get rid of. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.959 Me, and we will not be and of course it 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.360 could happen. Here's Garrison Davis. Hello, good morning, and take 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.760 writer Rob Pegoraro joining us once again. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:14.760 It's good to be back. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.959 It sure is good to have you. Lovely to see you. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.360 So yeah, what have you been up to? 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:20.480 What have you seen today? 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.240 I've been at LVCC all day. What did you LVCC? 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.720 Oh my goodness, are you realized? I said good morning 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.080 because the Cees time distortions turned to kick in. Oh. 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.240 Absolutely, well you were in like Tokyo a week ago, 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:32.200 so your time is. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.720 Well the best best is an interesting word. The most 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.960 interesting thing I saw today is I happened to arrive 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.480 at the LG booth right as their Home Assistant Robot 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.559 demo stored for the first time. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.559 Cloyd Lloyd cloydge. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.600 So I got to see that that in action right 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.120 for their for their first demo. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.160 Walk me through the action part of this action, Like, 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:01.000 how was the action? 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.640 Maybe it's maybe more proper to say I got to 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.320 see Cloyd in Oh it was. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:06.920 It was action. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.720 It was breathtaking because it's going to change so many 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:19.160 people's lives. How so, so they gave us three different scenarios. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.840 One is you have this clumsy dad who always forgets 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.560 his keys, and the robot is able to find the keys, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.960 then put them somewhere else, which is an interesting solution 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.560 to the problem of losing your keys because it was 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.720 a frame them. So this this this clumsy father of 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.600 too put left his keys on the couch. Then the 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.480 robot walks in from the couch and grabs him from 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.440 the couch and moves him to a different location in 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.680 the house, which seems like a ma she that just 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.840 makes you lose your keys. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.560 The jesta ai, I am here to add chaos to 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:51.000 you alive. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.000 So it was frame is losing your keys, but it's 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.519 just the robot moving keys around. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.000 Right? What was what speed did it do this? Would 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:03.320 you say? Uh, just like real slight. It's very slow. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.519 Its second segment was like a rich single guy who 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.919 doesn't have anyone living with him, who has this robot 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:17.240 as a quote unquote roommate, and the roommate mostly does laundry. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.320 And I watched this robot sped I kid you, not 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:27.559 ninety seconds putting a single shirt in the washing machine 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.560 and then also spent I would say, about two minutes 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.120 attempting to fold a towel. How did you do again, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.520 I use the word attempt it. Yeah, it got about 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.880 half the towel folded. After two minutes and then was 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.640 directed towards the next part of the demo, so it 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.480 could not finish the folding a single towel task. I'm 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.760 sure if you give it five minutes, it could fold 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.240 a towel. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.520 And that's actually a high amount of confidence based on 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.000 everything you described. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.160 Yeah, we trained it entirely on Stona Dato. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.600 Yeah, it moves like someone who's headweight too much weed. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:01.040 Uh. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.160 And then by the time the time the third demo started, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.120 I had I had to go. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:06.839 I had enough. 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.400 But it was like a medal age woman who's whose 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.480 robot was like trying to get her to like work 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:14.920 out more. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.160 I saw that one and I mentioned earlier it was 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.239 like here you go and it's got like one pound 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.760 weights and she goes, thanks Cloyd. If you didn't give 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.440 me this, I wouldn't even move. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.960 The most the most interesting part of the demo was 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.720 and like I got to see like the robot, you know, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.200 try to do a lot of these things. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.720 That wasn't just on the screen. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.560 But it was The presenter kept reiterating that Claude knows 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.080 what you want before you even have to say anything. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:42.120 Oh, that's not crapy at all. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.119 And that was that was the thing, because the cloud 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.080 gets to observe you and learn your patterns and learn 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.960 your habits once you like, and you can also input 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:48.479 this data. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:50.440 And it was. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.880 During the towel folding segment he even made a joke 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.760 because because it was because it was taking too long. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.160 It was like, ah, yes, Claude was able to fold 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.760 the towel exactly exactly. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.800 Like I like, it is this Cloyd the robot or 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:02.559 Claude the AI? 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.000 Yeah, Cloyd Kloyd Kloyd. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.200 Does Cloyd run Claude? 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.320 I mean I probably not. I mean it's slow and expensive, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.039 so I guess. And also just from my understanding, this 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.960 thing is fucking huge. It's big giant, it's big. You 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.320 just have this offensively looks like it's like it's like 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.760 my it's like me sized. Yeah. Yeah, it's but also 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.720 super wide, like a like a big scooter, like yeah, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:24.840 the kind of scooter you see. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.599 It's like a sort of storm tripper turned h butler. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.320 I guess, yeah, but learns what you need other than 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.760 like like three rapidity. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.600 Yeah, like how folded it faster than seven minutes or correctly? 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:40.160 Yeah? 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:40.640 Yeah, And. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.200 The presenter made a joke, is that because because claud 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.520 Cloyd Cloyd wasn't able to fully fold the towel. He 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.680 made a joke about how that's how he actually prefers 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.080 his towels being folded. Because this was this was like 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.880 an on and in an ongoing statement he kept making 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.760 it was like, you know, Cloyd knows how long I 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:02.400 want my croissants cooked, so he can he can bake micros, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.719 so he can bake microsohants exactly how long I want 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:09.599 to He also, uh, Cloyd prepared a snack during the demo, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.200 and the snack was taking milk out of the fridge 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.760 and putting the milk carton down on the counter because 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.880 I do not know if the robot fingers were able to. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.760 Unscrew the mill of my snack of milky. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.320 Like the milk carton actually, so it was just taking 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.800 the milk putting it on the counter. But for the 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.960 for the for like the wife and father of two 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.160 wife and father, for for the couple, and and and 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.720 and and their kid. Demo, the robot was like, you know, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.920 if if you're too busy, the robot can make breakfast 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.880 for your family in the morning. Well, the robot can 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.720 put a tray of of croissant dough. It's pre prepared 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.160 in the oven, so you have. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:45.480 To put that. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.520 You have to put the croissants on that unclear. No, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.039 the robot can take as long as the dough magically exists. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.400 Sure Claude Cloyd can walk towards the oven. The oven 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.080 will automatically open with the new lg s and then 0:06:59.120 --> 0:06:59.800 put the tray in. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.120 But as the cant, you still have to line the 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.800 croissants and you also have to unroll it can do 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:11.200 the easiest part afford drone delivery of croissants from a 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.200 really good part. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.920 That we saw was moving trey into oven. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.560 How the how the cross and dough got on the 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.760 tray complete mystery. How the how the milk got from 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.800 the cart into the glass also we'll never know. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.800 My question is did the did the nice actor who 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:34.440 they hired to lie seem well acting is like exactly 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.800 and he is good at his job, seem uh like 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.440 self aware at all, a little bit like he seemed 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.720 a little embarrassed he did he. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:46.320 Did a good job. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.760 This is also Vegas people, so and just think about 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.920 the paycheck when he when when the robots spent ninety 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.520 seconds putting a shirt in in the washing in the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.320 washing machine. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:58.920 Uh. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.440 It was framed as Cloud being extremely thorough. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:02.560 Hm. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.280 Look look look how thorough. Yeah, as being it knows mysfications. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.280 I like shit done wrong and slow. Okay, I like 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.960 my stuff done poorly. It's like, if I needed someone 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:14.560 to do something slowly and poorly, as I said, I 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:15.440 would do it myself. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.840 The odd thing it's like, and there was so much 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.880 robotics in LVCA this year, like North Hall full full 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.400 of robotics, and it's it's robotics that I that I've 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.680 You've seen it, see, yes before, but it's always been 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.680 They've always been kind of janky, and you haven't seen 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.920 like big companies like LGE really mess with it because 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.120 it's all kind of janky. And I was just kind 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.760 of surprised that LG is actually like dipping their toes 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.600 into this because it's not it's not necessarily new technology, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.880 but it's it's at the same level of jank as 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.720 it was like a year and a half ago. But 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.120 for some reason they decided to like go for it. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:47.080 They thought nothing else. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.920 I genuinely it's just headline grabs. It's just I fucking 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.080 read a Wall Street Journal story to them. Not even 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.079 name the reporter because he should know better. But it's like, yeah, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.360 this is the year of the robots, and one of 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.560 the things, I swear to God, most of the robots 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.400 they mentioned didn't exist. It was like Cloyd. I think 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.440 they mentioned Cloyd. I feel like it's irresponsible for anyone 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.800 to report on Cloyd as if it's real. Like it's 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.840 real in the sense it's physically, it's physically in the. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.760 Las Vegas Convention Center Central Hall, LG booth. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.680 But it's like, this is not something that can be 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.560 purchased or is sold. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.760 Or even does like it does anything. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.319 The very simple thing I mean, I mean feel like 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.319 I'm going insane. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.160 I made this point last time we were talking about 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.360 we were talking about Cloyd on some other episode I 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:36.000 can't remember, several years ago. Yeah truly. But so I 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.280 know that this is a repeat point for anybody for 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.760 the real errors out there. But the keys finding thing. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.640 For the robot to be able to find the keys, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.120 that means that the keys must have some kind of 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.679 air tag chip on them, Like that's how the robot. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.640 Maybe it's possibly, in. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.880 Which case you go, how about you just put an 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.000 AirTag on your keys. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.840 Sure, I think Cloyd might be able to find the 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.920 keys via just visual recognition, Like Cloyd was like sorting 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.280 laundry by color. Cloyd was washing certain items but not washing. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.640 It just feels like if if I can't visually see 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.000 my keys. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.400 Well, you know you're you're a busy dad. You don't 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.880 have time. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:14.800 I am Amber dad. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.560 You don't have time that dad and wife are busy 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:23.840 with AI but doing busy productivity woman and no woman 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.680 is Because at CS twenty twenty six, she was given 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:27.520 pink battery packs. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.199 I was, I was, I was welling around a little 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.000 little power back thing and he pointed to the pastel 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.760 colors and was like, this is it. It looks like 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.680 a foundation, it looks like a makeup. And I was like, ah, yes, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.839 that's for girls. And I pointed to a black one 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.920 and I was like that make me go no bad, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.640 but this make me go yes. And he was like, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.000 could not see. He just kept it, kept telling me 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.120 power bags for girls. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.960 It's woke. Whoa because it's truly good, truly dead. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.560 Yeah no, but woke too. And C is twenty twenty seven. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.440 It's gonna be fucking It's gonna be in they're going 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.160 to be the gender forcing machine. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.040 I mean yeah, they already have like the the like 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.000 accessibility stage. This year it's woke too, is going to 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:08.400 be bigger. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.760 Yeah, it's gonna be like the caliphight section and the 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.839 gender section, the false transgender section. That's gonna be fucking great. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.040 Sure, we're all changing genders next year. It's happening, folks. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.040 But that means you get a power bank that's whatever color. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.400 You can get a pink power bank. That sounds fucking great. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.640 We're all changing agendas next year. No, it's what else 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.040 do you see? 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:29.320 Yeah? 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:29.760 You see? 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.320 I mean it's honestly what was more interesting to me 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.560 at Central Hall was what I didn't didn't see. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:35.199 What was that? 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.920 I didn't see Nikon, I didn't see Cannon, I didn't 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:38.920 I didn't see Samsung. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.080 They were not there there. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.000 They don't have booths this year, and holy the Panasonic 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.199 booth very bare. Not really any product. There's there's like 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.280 there's there's like enterprise products, there's like you know, energy 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.880 efficiency products like software, there's chips, but there's there's there's 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.079 not not many physical products. There's no likely Panasonic cameras. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.320 That's the Sony booth isn't a Sony booth, just has 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.120 cars in partnership with h They've. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.600 Been weird in the last several years, like. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.720 This, but Samsung, but Sony because that exhibit somewhere in 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:10.160 the wind. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:10.600 Yeah. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.880 But usually they have like the Samsung megalopolis, like a 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:14.440 giant booth. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.920 Yeah not not not there, and Sony's exhibits is very small. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:22.600 This year it's just cars n Well, no Nikon, which 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.120 has has had huge booths that see yes the past 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:25.960 like three four years. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.400 Yes, I get this weird feeling about this show that 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.160 something is up, something is really weird. This thing doesn't 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.880 feel right because I saw like a chunk of a 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.480 casino just with nothing there and those tables open. I 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.079 think was even at the Palazza, which is just fucking strange. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.320 But something feels missing. It doesn't feel like there are 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.120 less televisions like last year. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.400 There is less television. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.079 Yeah, it's like a television brant. You could stride around, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.120 like looking at all the various giant TVs that all 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.719 look and sound the same, and that was fun. This 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.439 it's smaller, weirder, And I mentioned this in another episode. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.280 Usually they keep the country tree based stuff in the 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.240 basement in Eureka. Pop. Yeah, it was top it's a 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.680 top side. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:05.600 It's okay. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.280 There was some top side stuff last year. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.439 But it was much smaller. But there's there's there's way way. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.200 Bigger top side pavilions. Very strange above above Eureka this year. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.200 This is a bad sign. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.600 There's a lot of a lot of shifts. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.079 Know this. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.000 This sea definitely feels feel, feels very different. And I 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.720 don't want to be just like cynical for the sake 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.040 of being cynical. I want to have a fun time 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.080 at see Yes, I actually I'm serious. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:34.719 I would love that. I would love to see some 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.240 ship that makes me go cool. I would love that. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.000 And yeah, I don't know, like I tried on some new, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.160 new new to me auto translating your buds today. I know, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.360 I know I've done a lot of auto translation stuff 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.040 so far, but uh, these ones were really good. These 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:50.840 ones were fast. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.160 Do you know who they were buying? Let me let me, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.560 let me look through my notes. It's no, I must say, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.760 though I'm not. They were they were in they were 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.839 in North Hall. I'm trying to find them. Yeah, I 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.800 don't think any of us are trying to be reflexibly. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.000 Why are you looking up, Rob? 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.679 What you saying? Let's let's bring you in here. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.440 So so, yeah, I've I've now sort of completed my inspection. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.360 I'm flying home, yeah this evening. And yeah, so West 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.720 Halls the usual weird exhibit of things with wheels and 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.280 sometimes tank treads. It's all the mobility stuff, which was 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:22.960 never part of CEES first. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.600 Sure it came here and God helped me nineteen ninety eight. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.520 Yeah, Yeah, there's lots of interesting stuff being done with, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.400 you know, portable solar power, like if we had balcony 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.680 solar legalized in the US, that's where you'd see it 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.880 in the North Hall, Central Hall is you know, that's 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.000 still some exhibits with TV vendors, companies like high Sense 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.160 and TCL. We're sort of devoting more space to that, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.880 and Samsung has sort of moved off site. And yeah, Panasonic, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.400 half of their stuff was like here's what we do 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.120 for data centers, which are speaking as a Virginia and 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.680 that they're not that popular. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.720 People do not like these. Yes, I imagine you've seen 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.040 quite few of those recently. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.440 Every time I flied at Adullas Airport, can't miss him and 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.800 today I finally got over to the Venetian to look 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.160 at the sort of smart home exhibits upstairs. Downstairs is 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.840 Eureka Park, which is all the real sort of cats 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.840 and dogs, random internation, just. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.800 The random, the straight dogs more correct. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.360 That's where you have the weirdest stuff. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.680 Definitely, I think they need to lean into that with 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.520 Eureka Park. They need to make it dirtier. They need 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.640 to have like a dive bar in the corner, a 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.239 few straight rocks, like the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.080 episode when they go to Atlantic City and there's just 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.480 like dogs walking around. I think like they need to 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.640 make it weird and gross, because I think that's the 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.120 only thing that will make it interesting. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.560 I had the unfortunate order of going to Eureka Park first. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.520 I went the first day that I got here. I 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.880 just had an hour before the show floor closed, and 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.480 so all I could do was be in the Venetia 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.680 Venetian and Ed had been like, oh, the downstairs is 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.680 the weirdest, and so I like wandered around the upstairs 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.240 of Venetian a little bit, and then I was like, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.560 I gotta hit the downstairs whatever. Basically that was my intro, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.600 and I was like, this stuff fucking rocks. Yeah, I 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:09.680 mean it's insane, it's batshit, it's a ninety nine percent 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.160 unnecessary yes, but it's so funny, and I was just 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.240 having a ball, having the time of my life. Even 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.880 even the upstairs at Venetian has been great. And then 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.120 the last two days at the at the convention Center, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.480 I've been like, the fuck is this is this useful 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.360 shit that you think I'm going to actually incorporate into 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.560 my life. Get the fuck away from I want the 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.080 weird shit that I can make fun of. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.160 Yeah, I'm sorry for that. I wish the show was 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:36.520 more dopey, but it's kind of it's sad. I want 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.400 I like the novelty stuff, or I want like big 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.080 and stupid. I hear there's a giant tractor. I somehow missed. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.080 That's very amazing. That's how the tractors did what it 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:46.040 was just a. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.480 Giant Gnere combine or was there another one? 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.840 No, the combine, Yeah, it could be fun if there 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:51.080 were two. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.680 Big Green Mission actually imported some some corn from some 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.280 form in Iowa to play it in front of it 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:57.800 to show you what it actually does. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.800 Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I wonder why, Like I feel like 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.879 if you have a farm, you probably know about tractor. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.119 Yeah, but I don't know that the people here looking 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.399 at that tractor are people who. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.560 Have farms, right, But my point is, then why did 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:13.640 you put the track to there? 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:15.040 It sounds like. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:15.760 Because you can. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.159 It's a giant green machine with if the reason was 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.160 just like we can, fine, I love that. That's great. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:27.800 But yeah, so these these headbuds head times time kettle, Wow, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.119 time kettle. You could have you could have given me 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.320 seven million years that wouldn't have come up with that name. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:41.440 Yeah, they were very fast, like nearly leg free conversational translation. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.080 That's awesome. Do you know how much they cost? Orry from? 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.800 Like that? Did they tell you? Because so many, so 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.040 many of these places just don't. It's like when can 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.560 I get it? Oh no, no, no not, we don't 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.600 do that here. We don't sell things or put prices 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.879 on things. We are simply we are simply showing you 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.160 something so we can raise mo and then run away. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.320 Oh yeah, they definitely, they definitely have been selling them 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:06.760 the past few months. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.080 And I will I will also go through my notes. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.760 No, it's okay, it's rob Can I ask solar balcony solar. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:15.200 Yeah, I was. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:16.760 Actually this was in the back of my mind too. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.199 Is that where somebody is that where you have, you know, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.119 tiny little baby solar panels on your porch and you 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.199 can sell the electricity back to the electric The. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:26.840 Idea is you don't. So this is a sign that 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.280 it's very popular in Germany. I was in Efense September 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.240 in Berlin, and if you walk around the city, you'll 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.840 see solar panels on balconies next to flags and flowers 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:34.800 and everything all. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:35.280 Over the place. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.520 And the whole idea is it's very cheap. It's not 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.720 enough to like power your whole flat, but it will. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:43.240 It's enough. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.639 You put two, maybe three solar panels outside, you plug 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.640 them into an outlet, and that's it. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.760 And they started found some way to legalize it and 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:51.520 they flow back. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.359 So the whole term outlet is apparently wrong because it 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.640 is bi directional an inflow. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.120 Yes, oh wait, you mean what we what I think 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:02.800 of as an outlet, that thing. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.400 We've been lied to our entire lives and also inlets. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.120 And Field just stepped in, which is to say they're 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.120 lying to you about those plugs that have two spikes. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:12.119 Very big on the election. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.760 You can take Phil you you agree with this? Yeah, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.560 the ones with the two plugs on the end, you 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:18.840 plug them in, they're legal right. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.920 Mail to mail yeah, male toil is illegal in most In. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.640 Most states, mal to maill is legal due to woke 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.840 electricity people who don't want you to they're trying to 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.560 in Texas they are. Actually it's a slate flag. It's 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.360 it's a fifty cow rifle just wrapped in mail to mail. Yes, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.359 so that four hundred dollars, four hundred dollars for the 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.000 the I can see. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:48.320 I can they need to be wife, I can phone conducting. No, 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.480 I mean I think no, they're bluetooth to the phone, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.200 so like your your phone will need but I feel 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.520 like they're they're running the computer through the phone. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.440 But but I'm asking does the phone need a wife? 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:58.160 I can need need. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:19:59.000 It's probably needs to sell. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:00.560 It's not an on device. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.280 L M, No, it is it is. It is not 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.919 on device. I will say with that uses others. I 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.919 will say with that one, if it's immediate, then the 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.639 situation you'd be using that is like international business. So 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.040 I can kind of get at Yeah, it was fine, 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.639 but I'm kind of getting worried about like LM translation though, sure, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.919 because it's like, how would I possibly know. It's like, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.600 it gets things wrong in the language I understand, imagine 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.840 the one I don't. Yeah, But at the same time, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.480 I like this text, so you know, who knows if 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:32.600 that will exactly? 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.560 I want that. I want that to work. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.240 But it's like, because the pebble watch we're talking about 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.040 the pebble ring we were talking about earlier. That's on 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.280 device somehow, and that's cool. It's just like, but the 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.359 thing is on device is very difficult. It's not I 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.800 can understand why people are doing it. It's just what 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.760 happens if this becomes more expensive, which it most certainly will. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.200 But Rob, you've been going to see since nineteen ninety eight, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:56.960 as we've. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.440 Just estabveraged, I think a lot about the life choices 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:00.080 that put me. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.800 And what do you think about those show? 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:03.680 How do you know? 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:05.800 Seriously, how do you feel about the ces? Like, how 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.000 does it compare to even last year of the year before? 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:09.120 So honestly I haven't. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.320 Said how does it compare to nineteen ninety eight? 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.520 Well, in nineteen ninety eight, this was a show about 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.800 TVs and cereos and it was the dawn of digital TV. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.080 What they took from UST. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.800 People were very excited about the prospect of being able 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.840 to spend like four thousand dollars on some thirty and 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.000 c r T. There would be four hundred pounds, but 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.280 it would display yeah ten eighty I resolution. 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.119 Whoa, whoa yeah. 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.320 And along the way it's become this the show about 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.720 all these different parts of technology. So there's all these 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:42.240 you know, electric cars, solar panels, AI household robots. So 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.520 I mean, like, I complain a lot about the logistics 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.879 because it is such a paniastic get around. But yesterday, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.520 in the span of like four hours walking around LVCC North, 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.480 I talked to a company developing building a test fusion 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.800 power plant in Massachusetts. We else, let me take a 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.080 look at my notes, a bizarre sequence of events. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.000 Let's wait, sorry, say that as in a new nuclear 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:07.840 power plant. 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.600 In nuclear fusion power plant. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.440 Wow, oh this is non existent. 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.040 It's it's been twenty years away my entire life, you know. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.600 It's that's my favorite thing about the nuclear stuff. It's 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.760 like nuclear power is real, but it's like fission. Yep. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.119 We are just we are med decades away from this 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.040 twenty like Dad. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:24.960 Just fusion fusion. 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.560 Yeah, that's the whole fission fusion thing. I don't want 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.399 to get fill on it. He's he actually knows he 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.600 talking about We don't do that on this show. 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.360 The only reason I know is because last night Phil 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:36.840 spent an hour explaining that. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:41.560 And I was suffering a podcast is concussion, So I was, which. 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.680 I know the omore so other random conversations had during 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:49.760 this little tour just LVCC North guy with a battery 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.919 company in Singapore where they're they're building much. 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.000 Of the battery out of paper. Oh yeah, yeah, I 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:54.600 was this. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.399 Yeah, so there, so that's really neat. 0:22:59.040 --> 0:22:59.240 Yeah. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.280 I tried on an excess skeleton to le We've heard 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.520 a few people which one which one is hyper shell X. 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.320 I was wearing hyper shehell today as well. 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.679 Yeah, and so it's sort of like you know when 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.719 you get on an ee biking and it's it's almost 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.639 like the hand of God is pushing you down the street, 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.320 Sam Surrey, where think it's up your legs and does 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.000 it feel honestly, you've used. 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:20.640 It feels good? 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.360 I mean, anything to make my feet hurt less at 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.320 the show, So maybe I should roll up wearing that 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:27.240 thing next time. 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:31.639 I got really into the settings. I'm tell they they 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.280 have an app and they have three different modes, and 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:34.080 I'm not sure if it's. 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.199 Roberts already talked abou hypers shell. He talked about it 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.159 a little bit, but he hadn't like really used it. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:40.840 We uh me and someone else have been trading trading 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.280 off wearing it all day. And so there's this like 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.280 eco mode, which is like the regular mode that that 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.600 you can operate it and you can change like the 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.080 percentage of how much power is getting directed to it. 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.640 That changes how much it assists to you. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.119 There's hyper mode, which if you have hyper mode on 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.000 and all the way you are like bounding. 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:57.720 It is it is, it is, it is. 0:23:57.760 --> 0:23:59.440 It is really pushing forward. 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:00.000 It is fun. 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.920 It's uncomfortable if you were walking slowly, you have to 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.080 be like walking fast. But if you're walking fast with it, 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.440 it's good. It's like really good. 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.600 I grew up in London. I live in a fast walker. 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:11.960 It's great. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:13.760 And you can you can change the intensity of it. 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.280 But you can you can change like the torque from 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.080 like one leg to another to make to make a 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:19.040 different is. 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.160 That if you have like an injury in one leg 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:22.840 or something. Yeah, that's really good. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.000 That's you can change like how much like input delay 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.359 there is, how much it's gonna like like like how 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.159 fast the acceleration is for when it starts moving. Something 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.840 that I was uh using to like mess with. 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:34.720 Uh. 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.920 The person who was walking around with today is they 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.360 have on their for their experimental future. They have something 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:46.440 called Fitness mode, which does the opposite of the mazing 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.760 resist resist strict movement. And this was really fun because 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.760 I could have them. I could see them like running 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.360 around on hyper mode and via my phone, I can 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:01.639 change it to Fitness mode to completely top there moving. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.119 Like the wrong trousers with Wallace and grum it. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.320 So I can just completely like like force them to 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:14.120 a standstill and it works great, and I I could 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:15.359 do it for like I can do it for like 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:16.880 thirty feet away on the. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.480 App uh And it was fantastic. 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.959 It was really fun. I've I've been looking for more bits. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.320 That's really been I've been doing this for like eight hours. 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:30.040 I've been so annoying with this. I love that they 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.680 got wrong trousers mode. That's so good And honestly I'm 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.240 not cynic. I love these things. 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.560 I fuck it was fun. I fucking love these. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.119 I know so many people with mobility issues on myself 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.480 of a fucked up an cool I love this. I 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.919 love that this feels like future tech. 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:46.640 And it's small, it's doesn't it doesn't get like I've 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.439 tried on many many in exo an ex skeleton at 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.600 at the cess I've been to. Uh, this one was 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.040 very compact but still still functionals. 0:25:56.240 --> 0:26:00.360 It's wraps around your your waist, in your legs, really 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.399 an extra skill and I'm like, what do you do. 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:03.840 Caught mobility suit. 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.399 I don't know, but like it's basically just like an 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:07.480 extra set of hips. 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:07.880 Kind of right. 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.240 Could see some of them and hips that help that help, 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.520 and the help line that helped push your knee. 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.560 Up well, the artificially assisted hips. 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.200 So they dot the hips that finally we found hips 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.720 that lie. Yeah, it's I love that. I love that 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.920 they've got these, especially with like so much useless ship 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.000 Here a way to like help people walk feels almost 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.359 like the platonic ideal of cees. Like other than a 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.040 giant television, a television so large you can't see all 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:37.920 of it. They go like, yeah, I saw that too. 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.040 They just got a big as big ass TV. Hell yeah, 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.040 do you know what the price was? It wasn't transparent? 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.639 Yeah fuck it. 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.080 Then no LGA had the transparent TV. 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.479 Here's the thing. They're the useful TVs. But every year 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.280 I think they should try and make a bigger one, 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.840 Like just like every year there like it goes two 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.879 hundred inches. Now now we go one where we have 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.880 to bypart of the wall, Like, yeah, just escalate constantly. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.000 And I saw on the very first day a wireless 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.679 TV situation where they were like, yeah, it's for trade shows. 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.119 You can get four of them and clip them into 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.080 one thing. I'm like, oh, you could be a sports freak, 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.120 and they just fucking look to me. They just look. 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.040 I'm like what I mean. Like when I was getting 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.040 my place here in Vegas, I went to look at 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.560 a house where the guy had just four CRTs, all 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.840 just playing different NFL games, And I also what during 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.640 that tour house didn't actually get in the end. I 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.959 was just enamored with that, and honestly it was all 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.159 I could think about, Like, you could just pop up 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.720 on them those sports TV things. Back to the future too. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.040 You get fired by a guy from Japan, be great. 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.120 I'm not Markein Mttfly's dad in the future anyways. Yeah, 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.120 it's I like the EXE hyper Shell's good. I need 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:49.440 them to reach out to it. They reached out to you, 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.200 They reached out to Robert. They they don't like me there, 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.640 people like hyper Sheelle don't like me very much. 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.600 Yeah, they're afraid that you're gonna get into your podcast 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.040 and with them positively. 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.280 Yeah, you know, actually based on the lost twelve hours, 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.600 like I'm blamed, I'd be like, I don't know. 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.919 I don't think I got ai in any way, So 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.639 you're probably that should be safe. 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.600 Yeah, but you do have stats. 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.040 You can see how many miles to walk, how many 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.320 steps you've walked on the battery was great, Like we've 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.679 we've we've had this thing on since like since like 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.600 eight am. I got back to my hotel to drop 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.520 it off about an hour ago, and we still had 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:27.680 fifty percent of the battery left. 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.840 That's really better than my doing, and. 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.760 You know it was it has it is better the 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.320 phone and like we're walking in a convention center, like 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:36.280 that's a lot of walking. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.400 The fitness mode, who are there? Is it the same 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:41.680 ten thousand steps? 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:42.840 That's not bad. 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.800 Yeah, it's funny because so much of our podcasting has 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.920 been looking at products that are unnecessary and pointing out 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.880 the unnecessary parts of them and rightfully laughing at those. 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.600 And this is a product that clearly I can help 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.920 a ton of people and is wonderful technology and very worthwhile. 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.800 And so I don't mean to apply the same logic. 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:07.320 But is the person who's buying Hypershell going to use 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.600 the fitness mode? Those feel to me like two different uses. 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.840 It feels like something that's probably not difficult. 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:13.480 It's an ad. 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.320 It's an extra add on, that's the thing. It is 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.120 an experimental feature. It is not They are not. I 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.240 do not think they're selling them with fitness mode enabled 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:20.560 right now? 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:21.640 Yeah, that is. 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.640 It is an experimental feature that you have to like, click, like, 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.760 agree and okay to all right. 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.720 We're going to rotate, of course. Now, this following ad 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.760 is not for hyper Shell. It's for something else that 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.240 you should buy without reservation. Just the credit cards out. 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:50.280 Please everyone. If it's a podcast, you must listen to. Superstition, fear, 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.760 and jealousy. Welcome back to Better Offline, the literal best 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.360 podcast ever made. I'm Rob Zombie. Slamming things in the 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.920 back of my Dragula is stand up comedian and star 0:29:58.000 --> 0:29:59.920 of Is this thing on Chloe Rack? 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:00.880 Where is she all? 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:01.280 Killer? 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:01.560 This? 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.000 She is? It could happen. 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.480 Here's Garrison Davis. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.520 Good evening, and take right to Rob Pegoraro. I I 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.680 like the Fitness Mode. I heard the moment you said that. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.080 I'm like, I want to fucking go for it. Like 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.800 I've been, really I've been getting into more cardio stuff. 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.120 I'm like, I kind of want to funk. I want 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.880 to see how this sucks me up. It's really cool. 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.080 So how does did you try the Fitness Mode yourself? 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.360 How does how does it exert the pressure? Like? Is 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.600 it the is walking more difficult? Yeah, it's it's very difficult. 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.320 You can't you You have to really strain to like 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.920 step more than like maybe like half a foot. 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.480 Is it just that it sort of like binds up 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:38.320 the mechanism. 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:38.840 I think so. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.600 I think it's I think it's like it's it's like 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.600 locking the murder or paying applying resistance to the you 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.720 have to then takes it takes way more efforctuse. 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.080 I mean you've already got like wasted pants and stuff. 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:51.880 I know, this sounds like I'm doing you do you 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.040 actually do have these things you have like sweatsuits, and 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:54.880 well that's sort. 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.800 Of what I That's where I wind up coming to 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.760 is like this feels. 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.479 You can change the you can you you have like 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.200 you have like like like a slider, like you can 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:04.520 change the settings for. 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:09.680 I totally follow. I totally follow. And the if if 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.240 we were not so positive on the rest of the problem, 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.560 I just am like this, I'm thinking of Conover about 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.560 the Conover saying this is a solved problem. You know, 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.600 where I'm like, we have weighted best or we have 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.280 My thing is with fits. You know how people bought 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.560 the like Nordic tracks. Do you remember those the cross 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.600 the internal cross country ski machines, and that there was 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.520 like a year where everybody's like, everybody's got to get 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.560 a Nordic track. Yeah, and then now and then upon 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.720 a bunch of people just have a Nordic track sitting 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:37.880 in the racement that they don't need. 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.160 I think the difference with this is not only is 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:43.080 an experimental feature, it's not trying to be a one 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.280 size fits all thing because you can use it well hiking. 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.240 Yeah, So if you if you want to have a 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.720 more of a workout well hiking, and there's settings for 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.720 going uphill downhill, and it changes the way that like 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.360 how how the motors like functions. 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.360 So it does have a lot of not being sold 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.080 on this. Pardon it's not being sold on this idea. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:02.920 This is an excitement that I even. 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.040 Told me about the fitness mode. 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.960 I tried ecomode and I. 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:10.440 Have enough trouble getting around already. 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.479 You don't need to do this walking race, walking uphill, downhill, 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:20.120 upstairs downstairs, gravel cycling, running mountain and sand dunes are 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.120 the adaptive motion. 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.680 Like I can't set a fitness I would love to 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.600 because my ankle gets sucked up. If a war more 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.400 than a mile, I would love this. Yeah, diaper shell, 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.320 reach fuck hyper shell, reach out to me, like, I 0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.120 swear to God, we're never going to know that you 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.000 call them diaper I'm going to I'm not going to 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.240 call them diper shell again. It'll be fine. That was 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.360 the last time you're like, you can't take it off 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:41.920 when you're. 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:45.640 Diaper? 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:46.120 Yeah? 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:50.880 Oh god, yeah, so okay, rop back to you. Anything else? Well, actually, 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.240 was there anything you really loved. 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.840 During this anything like the story of most fascinated by 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.200 there's a company called Donut Lab that does not actually 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.160 make it's not it's not a donut making robot. They 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.840 introduced a solid state battery for electric vehicles. 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.960 So we had a very brief conversation about this, and 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:08.840 then someone emailed me and said they want more. So 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.360 guess fucking what, one listener, it's your Lucky. 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:13.719 Day reader service. 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.640 So it is kind of mystery how they've done it, 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.120 because this has trictly been the holy grail. Supposedly, if 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.080 you can get the battery chemistry and everything in the 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.520 physics to work, you have a much lighter battery that's cheaper, 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.400 the charges faster, those far more cycles. And they say 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.560 they've done all these things, but they're being very cagy 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:30.080 about them. 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:31.280 And they also say. 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:38.640 That the minerals are globally available widely. Sos like, what's 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.240 the catch is one of the other ingredients? 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.920 Kittens, what's going on here? And so we'll have to see. 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.920 Like they're showing off a motorcycle which includes the battery. 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.600 Would you use it was? No, they just had it 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.920 parked there. It's a thirty thousand dollars and up electric motorcycle. 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:58.440 Looks great, but if they've cracked the code for that, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.160 and there's lots of other people working on some old 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.560 state batteries. And given the NV's are already good, like 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.200 you know, you have this thing, you can charge it 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.319 at home, you know, a fast charger. It's it's enough 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:09.960 time for me to take a nap, which I like doing. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.239 And right, so address the other concerns people have. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.400 Is it big enough to power a vehicle that's bigger 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:17.000 than a motorcycle? 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely though, like they showed off, there's 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.239 some company that makes like an electric car chassis with 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.880 the sort of skateboard thing where the batteries are right 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:25.600 underneath the center. 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.919 That's most vs are designed. So yeah, their whole aim 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.520 is to have us in a lot of different cars. 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:35.360 Like they say, they'll have news soon about car partnerships, 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:36.839 so big deal. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.360 But if this is true, it's like a revolution in 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:41.799 old car battery text. 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.880 Yeah, and not just that, I mean like drones, trains 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:47.760 for that matter, Because we don't know how to build 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.759 transportation infrastructure affordable in America, lots of railroad operators would 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.400 rather put the battery on the train than put the 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.520 wires above the tracks. 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.080 I just want to be clear, if this is true, 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.319 I will be the most excited about this app up. 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.880 If Donut Labs ends up being fake, I'm going to 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.480 spend multiple episodes destroying this film so dirty. No no, no, 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.000 you won't because it's an exciting and cool thing. And 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.319 if this is real, it's fucking amazing. If it's not, 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.080 I will learn everything about this company and publish it 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.120 on this fucking No, they genuinely are. 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.239 But it also sounds like somebody is going to crack 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:19.799 this well. 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.200 Yeah, like there're enough other there's enough money being put 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.400 at solved directed at solving the problems. 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:30.080 Yeah, and what's what's it going to do? I mean, 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.359 is the is the oil industry going to have an 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.160 even bigger procism than we've. 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.879 The thing is what the oil industry they're well, yeah, 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.759 but they're also well invested in this stuff too, and 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.960 they will find ways to make money off of this. 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.320 They will not like it, but it's kind of hard 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:51.000 to deny electricity, but nevertheless they unlove it. Problem. 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.000 Yeah, I mean, the whole the trend has been going 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.319 on for years and years, and it's just right now 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.719 in the US we have this president who has just 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.279 some trange notions of energy and affordability, and I think 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.440 his head is stuck in nineteen eighty six, which is 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.239 why he thinks it's a good idea to you know, 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.960 Hijack Venezuela is if it's like sticking up a gas station. 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.160 Yeah, it's I love living in I want to live 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:16.960 you know what I would love. I'd love to live 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.760 in precedented times. I'd love to live in boring times. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:24.680 I'm I've had too many interesting events happen. I'd like 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.560 to go back to boredom, but sadly they're not going 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:32.600 to allow me. I don't know, it's it's frustrating because 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.960 I've been asking people genuinely, seriously bring me stuff you're 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.200 excited about, and everyone keeps coming back with, like, you know, 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.320 it was kind of an Honestly, the exoskeletons are the 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.160 one unilaterally thing other than big tractor. And again it 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.799 must be clear, big thing, big huge thing. 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.120 That's hug TV. 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.240 I know, I fucking love it. I'm I'm an ape. 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.919 One of the best CS moments I've I've ever had 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.399 is when I when we saw maybe two years ago, 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:01.640 we saw the USPS's first one of those duck electric 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.560 duck vehicles, and I was like, this is rad. This 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.560 thing looks great. And like two years later I saw 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:08.600 them rolling around the city. 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.279 I'm not fucking rocks. I love that. 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.080 So I Oshkosh, the company that makes it, they had 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.000 a media day at their facility in Wisconsin, flew me 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:17.319 out there. 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.160 I got to drive it. WHOA, tell me more about that. 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.000 So, I mean, so, first of all, it looks the 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.319 way it does because you want something where people can 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.120 stand up in the back, right, and so, yeah, which 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.920 you can't do right now in these nineteen eighties vinaged trucks, 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.560 the postal services rolling around. It's got air conditioning as 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.680 cup holders, all the modern conveniences, and yeah, Oshkosh took 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.680 a long time to serve get production ramped up. It 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.000 seems like they're doing that now, and yeah, it was 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.840 a neat. They also showed off like a battery electric 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:47.359 garbage truck, which I got to drive. 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:47.759 Nice. 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.399 It was the quiet garbage truck I've ever driven. Also 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:50.960 the only one. 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.719 But whatever, I mean, I'm really I just love the 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.600 idea of driving a truck around. Yeah, so garbage truck. 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.080 Here's the Okay, here's a question that I had the 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.239 thought of in an earlier episode and didn't wind up 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:07.759 asking Oshkosh. The company that makes those trucks is a 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.520 huge defense contractor, YEP, makes a ton of military vehicles. 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:11.880 They do. 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:18.240 Indeed, Uh I was reading on x the everything app 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:26.280 that UH ICE and CPB CBP was has been seen 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:31.080 using smart glasses to like record protesters and stuff. How 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:36.840 much of the tech that we see at cees winds 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.640 up getting filtered into what I would consider nefarious action? 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:42.879 Probably a lot. 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.839 I mean the fact that ICE is apparently using has 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.680 some sort of face recognition system against some database that 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.120 I didn't know the government Charlie had to see if 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:56.319 someone is an American citizen, which, yeah, I have a 0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:00.640 lot of problems. Well where do we start, maybe like 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.960 perhaps they could not murder Americans? Yeah, that would be fun, 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:06.319 and then try to cover it up. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:11.560 Oh god, I'm going to be just shout two more people, yeah, CBP, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.720 I'm gonna be I'm gonna say something, but be honest, 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:15.680 people do we ma'am only and ask why don't I 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.680 have to say anything? Because I'm a fucking immigrant and 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.759 I'm terrified of saying anything about it at all, And 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.799 if you're ever wondering if I have opinions on this, 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.319 I do, but I'm terrified to say anything. I do 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.840 not think that I don't have thoughts or feelings about 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.279 someone being shot to fucking death mother, which is disgraceful 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.560 and disgusting, But I have to, like, I am very 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.120 guarded about it. It's not that I don't care, it's 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.480 that as an immigrant with a child in America, I 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.080 die here. So yeah, very fun fucking week for everyone. 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.719 Yeah, but the thing you're talking about, we see a 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.200 lot of this with like the drone tech, and like 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:50.879 one of the one of the first ess I went 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:52.640 to and now you you still see this now in 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.200 the show is like it was on like you know, 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.279 Advancing Drone Technology, and it was like half put on 0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.760 by Walmart and half put on by this a police 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.920 department UH in southern California who launched like the first 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.360 like big drone program, which has now been copied around 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.279 the country. And this was like a panel with like 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.080 both of them talking about how Walmart's doing drone deliveries 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.880 and how the police are sending or sending these drones 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.880 to like surveil neighborhoods and go to and go to 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.400 crime scenes before officers and like secure the area to 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.439 like you know, see see what's going on. And yeah, 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.440 you see this a lot with the drone stuff here 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.720 in Cees. There's across from the across from the Creator stage, 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:39.399 which is in Central Hall. It's where it's where if 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.880 you're a content it's all things content creator in creator economy. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.600 Yet you would love the creator stage, I'm going. I 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.000 stood next to a panel where they talked about the 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:55.120 changing changing habits of gens of digital gen z Life. 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.440 A presentation created by people over the age of forty. 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.000 All of them, where yes, I say, what happens we're changing? 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:03.280 Yeah, yeah, again. 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.279 I stood next to this panel because I just heard 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.600 too many like things. I sometimes in panels, you know, 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.440 like five minutes later, you're like, this is not going to. 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.080 Be you just thought hearing the Charlie Brown para, Yeah, and. 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.080 Then and then and then you have to But it 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.960 turns out they use a TikTok to make purchasing decisions. 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:19.600 Hell is that? 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.279 But well that's so skivity of them. 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:23.960 Did I say that? 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:30.239 Right? That rocks? But across from the creator moment. I've 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.680 been podcasting for approximately fourteen hours over the last three days. 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.040 That's a tough moment. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.520 Across from the creator stage. 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.640 There's a Chinese drone company that has these they're called 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.960 drone in the box systems where basically you put it 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:45.719 in the back of like a pickup truck and you 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.160 can launch you can launch a drone and it'll you 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.720 can like you can latch an autonomous drone and it'll pilot, 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:53.959 pilot round and then go back back into the box. 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.400 This this already exists in this we have we have 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.680 we police departments in the States already have this. But 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.920 this was like a transcom be that debt was making 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.960 making a lot of these and I can pull up the. 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.839 Consumer druns here though I feel like last year there 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:13.000 was like various there were more fun things that was 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.480 like a baseball thing was there was. 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.319 A drone soccer thing last year. Well one thing is SoC. 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:24.240 GDU was the company with aerial surveillance in public safety 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:24.800 where they're. 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.600 Too many, like I haven't see many consumer drune companies 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:29.080 know how many. 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.560 Of them are now sort of banned by this order 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:38.279 that has come out which they're targeting DJI which without them, 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.560 like where Americans going to buy drones. 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.480 Yeah, they're targeting the horse. 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:48.120 When the thought this through entirely, it's. 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.440 Just that whole thing, the whole all of that ship's 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.680 so bizarre to me. It's just like, oh, what if 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.440 the what if we fill American full of Chinese products 0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.560 that could be used as Oh wait, we did that. 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.440 We've done that for ten straight years. We've just Amazon 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:06.120 has with various letters, putting random orders, shifted security cameras 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.239 into every home for on the cheap. Oh no, how 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.400 would we stop this? Well, it doesn't start with the stores. 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.840 It starts with China. The sneaky Chinese who are I 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.120 don't know, selling to America constantly. We don't stop that. 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:19.200 You've heard it here, folks. 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.520 No, it's just very confused. I don't don't really understand. 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.920 I don't think anyone really understands what we're doing against 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.399 China at this point. It's just like we might let 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.320 them buy stuff. Actually, that was an interesting story. So 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.479 today in Vidia with China, with these GPUs, they're saying 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.480 they have to be paid completely upfront, whether or not 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.920 they can actually sell them. They're saying that regardless of 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.279 how the the sanctions work out, if you buy them, 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.640 you must pay completely fucking up from whether or not 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.759 you can. You can't change your order, you can't get 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.680 a refund, you can't cancel, you can't reall cate. Fuck yeah, 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.480 in video doing great, that's the kind of shit you 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.960 do when you're like not doing well financially. 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:03.239 Yeah, weird, Like why even it's just because you must 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.279 think you have exceedingly captive customers. 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.600 No, yeah, it's like the kind of shit you do 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.480 when you think that you can't die and. 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.960 But you also are a little worried about. 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.239 Yes, exactly, you're like trying to pretend you're strong. And 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:16.880 I say this, in a town full of people that 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.759 act like they can't die, this is the person who 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.120 gets washed out first, Like, this is the person who 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.640 they have all the money until they get seven down 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.600 on the craps table. Yeah, little craps, Little craps for everyone. 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.960 Anyone play craps you listen, Email me easy a better 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.839 offline dot Com with your craps tips if you send 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.160 me toilet related stuff and will be really upset. It's 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.799 different kind of craps. Anyway, moving on, what else, Rob 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:39.960 Wels you see. 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.319 Oh, let's seem so I've been trying to follow some 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.360 of the the political discussion. It's like everyone WASHINGTONI and 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.000 I fly two thousand miles to hang out with people 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:48.399 from DC. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:49.000 Yeah, exactly. 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:52.600 And so there's a reallysting panel about tariffs Tuesday morning 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.720 where everyone was saying, this is such a dumb idea 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.239 like this, it's not helping their attacks paid by Americans, 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.680 not the chin. They're not helping people build factories. The 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:08.160 CEO of this kitchen robot company, souv Robert Thus, was saying, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.319 you know, we've created a lot of jobs not in 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.040 the United States if they had a factory built in 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.240 Mexico when in Vietnam, like, none of the stuff works, 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:17.520 none of it makes any sense. 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.680 Well, stupid question. Why would the tariffs make them put 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.680 jobs in Mexico? And I say this genuinely not. 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.920 So her answer was basically, the first of all, a 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.799 lot of the components to the stuff she makes is 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:32.440 not made in the US and will not be made 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:33.520 in the US at any time. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:33.680 Soon, and. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.719 Therefore you need to import those things. And so why 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.879 eat the tariffs on the stuff you need to bring 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:44.640 to the US when you can just have them ship 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.240 to Mexico pay a lesser tariff. 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.640 Once that way, and so. 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.560 It doesn't change the incentives at all. 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.719 Yeah, Like we haven't suddenly magically made it reasonable for 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.439 people to you know, do all this factor factory work 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.160 that was you know, offitable thirty years ago. 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.600 Yeah, we're not going to pay people like was it NAFTA. 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.600 It's probably what caused the problem, not like yeah, not 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.040 like the tariffs people were. 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.760 Paying after Now it's us MCA, which now Trump thinks 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:16.239 is terrible, and it's just not you know, it's not 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.400 policy making by grown ups. And so the rest of 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.120 the panel, I'm guessing everyone kind of agreed and yeah, yeah, 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:25.080 I mean it was I don't imagine. Well, the finding is, 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.840 of course, a lot of people in the electronics industry 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.240 seem to think that, oh, it's great that we're pushing 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.960 ahead on AI where we're getting rid of the regulatory shackles. 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.880 But the problem is the person who's doing that is 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.560 also the one who's imposing the tariffs. 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.520 It's the same guy. So you don't have regulatory shackles. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.919 You live in Virginia, you know that. Yeah, there's nothing 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.239 the capital of the world. All you hear in Virginia 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.840 is the screaming of the computer because the computer is 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.960 in pain, the GPU is hurting the computer. 0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.479 We have a new governor getting sworn in in less 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.600 than two weeks, Elcebenberger, and I think we will be 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.000 seeing some things done about data centers that were not 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.719 going to save She's going to save the computer from 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:06.400 the GPUs. 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.399 What do you have a suspicion of what those things 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:08.719 will be? 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:10.320 Well, I mean a lot of it is around on 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.400 that didn't she she is sort of. She said, we 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.200 need to make sure that like large utility users pay 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:20.560 their fair share, which the previous governor, Glenn Younkin, who 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.560 is I think most people would say he is the 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:30.160 most mediacre governor of Virginia the twenty first century. So yeah, 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.960 like young and he veted like really small board legislation 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:35.920 saying like, you know, we need to have some standards 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.239 for environmental review of data centers. 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:39.279 Because these things are love the place. 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.520 If you take off from Dollas Airport, look to your 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:43.920 left and right, you'll see these huge boxes with stuff 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.680 on the roof, the parking lots around. Nobody works in them, 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.800 and they do provide a lot of property tax revenue 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.880 for counties. So like it's a huge chunk of the 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:57.560 revenue of like Louden County, Prince William County, Western excerpts 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:01.120 of DC. But there's no benefit people nearby. They don't 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.640 generate jobs. They you don't get faster internet because you 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.240 have a data center one street away. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:07.879 In fact, you get more expensive election. 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.400 Yeah, and pair in America, we don't feed those taxes 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:11.439 in once a month. 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:13.480 They've they've got to turn on the backup generators to 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:14.879 make sure they work. So that's a lot of noise 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.560 and pollution. Everyone hates them. They're really unpopular. And the 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:22.080 whole idea that we need to do this because guys 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.440 like Mark Zuckerberg and Sam Altman think that we're going 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.600 to get super intelligence or AGI, so we have to 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:29.480 sort of suck it up. 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.000 We need those GPUs to law. 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.239 This is a true story, Jeff Howits and Ruyters law 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.040 a man with dementia to New York using a Kighi 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:42.360 Jenna branded chatbot and then he fell over and died. 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:43.760 Yes, true story. 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.680 Yeah, Yeah, that Grand Fox so Locker book should being 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:47.800 fucking prison and everyone who worked on it should be 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.160 in there with them. I'm deadly fucking serious. Everyone who 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.880 worked on that, every single fucking person fucking put Jenner 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.279 in there as well, her fucking face on it. Sorry, 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.920 I have some like slightly aggressive views on this. You 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.480 do have views? No, No, it's just I think it's 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.680 just exploitative. But no, it's interesting hearing the data center 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:05.799 a conversation here as well, because we have some core 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:07.640 Weave bullshit. Actually go and have a look and have 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:09.920 a look at them. Oh yes, yes, of all the 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:14.640 companies to be here in Vegas, Core Weave. I but 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:17.120 did you see any other panels that are of interest? 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:18.200 So I don't just talk about Colin. 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:19.160 So there's a bunch asking. 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.839 I'm gonna have to sort of catch up via THEOD 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:25.000 when I get back home. Like every year, I walk 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.920 miles and miles through this becazibits. Think I've covered it all, 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.839 come home, read other people, see s recaps, see all 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:31.759 the stuff I missed, and. 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:33.959 Like, totally did I go to the same shew yea. 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.719 Now I walk through I've been here for days and 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.200 there was like yesterday when I walked through stuff, nothing 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.640 was affixing to my brain. It was all just this 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:48.240 slop of my brain's going won't exist, won't exist, GPT. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:49.160 Wrapper, won't exist. 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:54.920 Remember any laundering photonics panel, solar panel. And it was 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:57.400 strange because usually there is like a good amount and 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.600 I should also be clad cynic aside, there was a 0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:02.280 use for this. There are people who go hit bios 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.400 who are like, oh, I'm gonna I'm building something and 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.520 what have you. But it feels like it's either that 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.719 or the like the slopification of cees. 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.960 Yeah, it reminds me of like when three D printers 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:18.560 just started, yes, like getting popular and then and then 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.680 you see three D printed slop everywhere, and that is 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.160 this is interesting, like the way that you know, if 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.040 you if you go to like a like a like 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.680 like a comic con or like a red and fare 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.200 things that they used to be you know, like hand 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.279 handmade cool like novelty goods. Now it's just all these 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.160 three D printed dragons because we can use these, we 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:38.560 can use these, uh, use these devices just to like 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.680 print out print out this like you know, plastic bullshit. 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.520 And there's a similar thing happening with with these GTP 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:49.400 wrappers where instead of they are kind of new products, 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:53.600 but it's all it's all building some physical mechanism around this. 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:56.680 The same the same like the same software service it's the. 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.200 Natural endpoint of ce S. It's just like half of 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.400 the ship's never going to exist anyway, so they're just like, 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.759 mah fuck, it is connected to the magic API thing 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.760 and then product please invest. 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:08.560 I genuinely there is. 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:11.960 Partly because of where I am in my life. I 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:13.960 can't do this this year, but maybe next. I think 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:15.839 I'm just if that they're not going to be here 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:18.080 next year, But if there are still LM companies next year, 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:19.600 all I'm going to do is walk up to them 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.480 and do the Radcliffe as we call it. It's like, what, 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.560 what's the point of this? Why do I care? 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.279 And who gives a shit about that? 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:27.640 Yeah? Who cares? Who cares? 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:28.680 Who cares? 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:33.120 Who cares? Because honestly, I don't think ninety percent of 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.040 this show can answer that question. Last year, when I 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.879 saw my favorite booth, which was the Korean baseball one, 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.359 where it's just it was like a golf tee thing 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:43.719 but for baseball, and the guys were like, no, you 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.200 need to step up and hit the ball, I'm like, 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.239 I cannot do it. I will be shipped. And then 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:48.920 when I finally did, they were like, oh right, you 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.400 can't hit it. I'm like I fucking told you. But 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:52.959 when I asked him, I was like, it's for people 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:55.439 that can hit baseballs. I'm like, yeah, I know, and 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.280 like professional baseball players who have their own like mansions 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.200 and chat. I'm like, that makes sense. I could the 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.360 people who played baseball and you want to hit the 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.440 ball at home. And also just it's fun to go 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.880 to a batting cage. Totally this year, it's like I 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:10.520 went looking for stuff like that. I really wanted, like 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.360 a baseball cage, something like that. I want. I wanted 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:17.320 something fun. There's a golfing a golfing simulator. 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.280 Okay, okay, what happened. 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.600 Let's just golf. It's pretty much. 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.480 I think it's a the you said it heysen, I 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.240 want to say hens. I think it's at a Hecense booth. 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.920 That's nice. There is some it's like a projected. 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.160 Ennis set up in uh in the Venetian Expo. Tennis 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:35.920 out the middle of it. 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:37.880 Yeah, you know. The idea is like you're sort of 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.880 like tennis coach. It will like, you know, serve very I. 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.560 Just try that tomorrow. Yeah, I'm actually curious about the tennis. 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:45.800 See that's fun. 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:47.399 Yeah, we like that. 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:49.960 That's that's good. We like tennis. 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:51.120 We love tennis. 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.120 I had a little bit of human connection. 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:55.920 That's great. Tell me, please God. 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.279 I was I had called a cab, so I staying 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.960 at Haras and I had called a cab from Harah's 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:07.359 to the convention center, and you know, everybody just goes 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.800 down to the little uber waiting zone and there were 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.520 there were a handful of people, and I just kept 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.640 watching car after car drive up, one person get in, 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.440 the rest of us are waiting there, and it just 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:22.080 felt insane. Yeah, and I think it would have felt 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:23.640 insane even if I didn't live in New York. But 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.520 living in New York and yeah, and you know, feeling 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.360 so passionate about public transit, I'm like, this really is insulting. 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.640 And I my guy pulled up and I just turned 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:35.120 to There were two women who were next to me, 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:36.960 and I was like, do you do want to get 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:38.840 in the car with me? We don't have to talk. 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.719 And one of them gratefully accepted, and she was like, 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.600 my uber kept canceling, I kept not being able to 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:46.319 get a car, Thank you so much. And the other 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.120 woman didn't just looked up, didn't say anything, looked back 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.000 on her phone. I copy that. 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:52.680 Now there's the New Yorker. 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:57.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, truly, and she I'm not one hundred 0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.040 percent sure that she understood what. 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.000 Yeah, I was saying, that's probably more luckily, but this one. 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:03.359 And I got in the car and we wound up 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.720 riding the whole way I mean, you know, or talking 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.520 the whole way on the ride, and I asked what 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.640 she did. I saw that her badge said Apple. And 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.600 she was saying that she's a buyer for stores and 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:16.960 she said, I, you know, I didn't used to work 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:18.080 in tech. And I said, what did you used to 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:19.040 do and she said, well, I used to be in 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.440 supply chain management and I went, oh that's cool. I 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:24.080 used to be in supply chain management and she said, oh, yeah, 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:25.560 I used to work at Target. And I was like, oh, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.600 I used to work at Target. She said, oh, I 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.120 was a business analyst and I was like, oh, I 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:33.000 was a business analyst at Target headquarters in Minneapolis, were you? 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:37.560 And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. For two years, For two years, 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.360 all Soda Coke, Pepsy, Doctor Pepper, all subsidiary brands that 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.320 passed through all the eighteen hundred Target stores in the 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:47.440 country passed through ME, which is insane that they let me. 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.120 A nice twenty one year old queen of soda. 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:53.200 Queen of soda. I used to say pop until I 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:57.440 worked Western. Yeah yeah, pop pap. Oh yeah, I have 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:02.080 some pap. And she you know what's even wilder. She 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.840 uh worked on the snacks desk and I in the 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:09.560 Snaxt department. And I trained on the cookie cracker desk. 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.480 That's good in the Snaxt department. It just was like 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:13.760 this very weird small world. 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:15.920 Did you learn anything about apple anything? 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:16.759 Absolutely nothing. 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:16.920 No. 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:19.440 I was like trying to have I was trying. I 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.399 was like trying to get in a little bit more, 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.120 and I just was like, this is not it's not 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:24.359 We're really you could have. 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:24.719 Done a bit. 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:28.799 You could have been like, well, fruit, just like your 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:29.440 mouth slayer. 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:31.160 That's gold. 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:35.120 I know the thing the thing about having like because 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:37.360 the Raa of West London I grew up in, I 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:39.200 can't sound fucking I mean I was about to say, 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.520 I can sound fucking stupid, really obvious. South we would 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:48.040 go you really, Yeah, he's learning learning, see that one coming. 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.560 Well the fruit, you can just have your mouth. 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:54.120 I'll find I'll find her. 0:55:54.239 --> 0:56:00.919 Yeah, this is my simpleton friend, line, he's now, oh 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.920 my god, the idea of sharing my Uber with someone anywhere, 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:05.640 but let alone Las Vegas. 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.360 What was more interesting was the driver wound up talking 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:14.680 about the driver worked for over thirty years at a restaurant, 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:20.320 at some restaurant and just got laid off, lost no severance, 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:25.280 lost all of his benefits. Now he's doing Uber and 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:27.360 he and he was like, there are no jobs. So 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.040 many people are looking for jobs and everybody's out of work. 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.080 And he said, I just got hired back at the 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.800 exact same restaurant that I worked at for over thirty years, 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.879 but I got hired back at the absolute lowest entry 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.480 level and only for the holiday season, and so I 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.160 don't have any vacation. I can't he said, I can't 0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.000 even bump somebody working in the coffee shop. I like, 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:51.600 he it's it's such an insult. And it was the 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:55.360 most interesting thing he said. He said, I think people 0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.520 in tech think that they are safe from it. Yeah, 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.120 because she also she was like, she was very sweet, 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.360 but she was like, you know, they should repurpose the workers. 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:06.880 And I was, oh, I want to fucking I know. 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.439 And I was like, the whole point, literally the point 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.600 of laying off these people is to not have the worker, 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.520 Like the point is to not repurpose the worker. 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.000 And it seems like they are repurposing the worker as 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:19.960 the worker they had, but then they just pay them there. 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.080 Yeah, it's a little confusing. I mean, I mean, I 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:26.200 think I think both are happening. And he wound up 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.280 cutting in and he said, I think people in tech 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:32.360 think that they're safe, but they are not safe. So 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.200 many tech jobs are going to fold in the next 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.120 in the coming years. And he was saying like, hey, 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.960 I is going to take all the jobs. And you 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:39.880 know who knows. 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:41.640 He is going to take all the jobs because it's 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:43.240 going to destroy all the tech companies. 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.040 Yeah yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, Like I think that there 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:46.520 are going to be a lot of tech jobs and 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.360 he and he was like when when tech people experience it, 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.320 they will not It will take until then for them 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:54.960 to realize what other people experience. 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.640 And it's kind of what you were saying earlier with 0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:58.800 Matt binda kind of an offhanded company men like, oh, 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:03.800 there's someone who grew up because the scarcity mindset of like, oh, 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:05.880 I can't use this ring enough because it will literally 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:09.000 die on it. I drop money myself. It's like the 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:11.600 sense that something can run out and it is weird 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.480 these tech people, especially the AI, this fucking smugness, and 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.840 that comment is probably the most cutting. 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:19.200 Yeah. 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:22.200 No, it's also probably the most intelligent thought I've heard 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.840 about the tech industry all week, other than on this podcast, 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.520 because it's like tech people really do think that they're 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:31.000 insulated from this, Like tech media, they know that they 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:31.800 can be laid off. 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.240 They're well aware, they well like they Yeah, if you 0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:39.240 work at Meta and you've seen so many people fired Microsoft, Google. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:40.440 But you think you're safe still. 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:42.680 I mean, it really felt like the the you know, 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.280 first they came for the trade unionists, but I was 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:46.560 not a trade this so I didn't. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:51.360 It kind of is It's like this condescension towards actual labor. 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.240 Like I always say, like I can complain about my job, 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:57.880 but I send little emails, I talk into the microphone, 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.480 and I drink my little drinks like I'm very fucking lucky. 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:02.880 And I have a good amount of listeners who don't 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.520 like manual labor jobs and working restaurants, and so it's 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:07.760 like fucking rock stay every people. But it's like if 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.080 you don't speak to those people you are going to 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:10.720 get into the price. 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:12.920 The way, the way that labor is completely cut out 0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:15.560 of a convention like this, and you know there's there's 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:19.720 people people talk about innovators and like ideas and like 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:21.880 creatives and how like, how like you know, like the 0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:25.880 ideas and creative creative innovation is what is what drives everything, 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.920 And it drives a little bit, it has it has, 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:31.400 it has a little bit, but you still have to 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:33.960 do the physical work. You still have to actually labor, 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.840 and often you have to have labor to create the 0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:40.440 conditions that allow people to innovate quote unquote, but that 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:43.880 perspective no one talks about, like the actual like labor 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:45.480 part of like all of these things, even like in 0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:47.280 this supply chain stuff, even like the focus on like 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:52.480 manufacturing this year, the labor is it gets gets completely forgotten. 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:58.200 It made me wonder what the broad socioeconomic background trends 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.320 are for most people who work in tech. Like it 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:04.480 made me. It sort of made me feel like I 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:08.160 got to imagine that some huge swaths of tech, of 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:09.800 people who work in tech, and I don't know, this 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:12.760 is me really really really taking up No, this is 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:14.880 not even necessarily an educated guest. This is just a 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:19.240 vibe gut, but it feels like a lot of people, 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:22.200 some hyperponderance of people who work in tech, didn't grow 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:26.960 up in depressed areas in the middle of the country, 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:31.919 didn't grow up under the poverty line, didn't grow up 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:35.160 you know, with some that. I think probably a lot 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:38.080 of people in tech grew up with some relative amount 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.200 of privilege, even if they're not white, even if they're 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:43.760 you know, even from South Asian, but maybe perhaps they 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:47.600 come from a family where there is disposable income whatever. 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.400 And it made me be like, I think, like I 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.120 grew up with that without a ton of money in 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.520 the Midwest, and I'm like, I feel like if I 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.880 was working in it is industry that was potentially hollowing 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.120 out cities or potentially impacting impacting with data centers whatever. 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:05.640 I think I would always always have in the back 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.400 of my head the people who I who I grew 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:09.960 up around, the people who I came from. 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.480 I am very lucky in that I didn't grow up 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:15.080 with money. But my parents work their fucking asses off, 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:17.680 Like my mom and my dad worked their asses off 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:21.920 my mom and me and three other children. So imagine 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.600 that and I'm probably not the most normal child. It 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:26.680 definitely wasn't. I grew up around the corner from prison 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:28.280 called worm with scrubs and didn't grow up in a 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:31.080 good area. My mom put food on the table so 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:33.440 you can ask for And I feel like the people 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.000 who are like we need to build the biggest, most 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:37.880 huge Stata center to this never had a fucking They 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.040 never missed a Christmas. They never had a Christmas where 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:41.920 they go. And to be clear, my mom worked or 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:43.960 ass and my dad worked her ass off. But it's 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.120 like those moments, there was one and it was like 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:49.200 my I think if my parents felt worse about it 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:51.360 the night, I'm sorry. If my dad's listening, they do 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:53.680 not feel bad. Dad, You work your ossof I love you. 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.320 But it's like those moments are what teach you to 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.560 actually have fucking humility and love for others, because there 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:03.440 is more than just stuff. But the idea of being 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.160 like we can repurpose this workforce really fills me full 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.680 of angry bio because it's like this whole show feels 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:12.760 at times like a monument against that where it's just 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:15.880 like we don't solve real problems because you don't fucking experience. 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.400 The Michael in Trader of Corwa doesn't know what fucking 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.800 thing about that person driving UBERA fuck Michael and Tro 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:26.120 pardon me, I want to write a beep in there. 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:29.640 But yeah, it's just it sickens me because it's like 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.720 we're gonna have kul Shnard tomorrow, Las Vegas Son fantastic 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:36.720 guy for the labor angle tomorrow, because it's it's something 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:40.640 really missing from here yea. And also I'm gonna be honest. 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.920 Hearing a guy driving Uber here is saying that restaurants 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.680 are having trouble like a laying off people is actually 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:53.800 genuinely scary for the Vegas economy specifically because we usually 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:56.160 I've read about that usually print money here. 1:02:56.840 --> 1:03:00.080 I hear international tourism is down. To figure out why 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:00.800 something happened. 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:04.160 Luke Winkle from Winky, I don't remember how to say them, sorry, 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.560 Luke who who wrote a piece of slate like Vegas 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:09.960 is down, and it's like when that's bad, it's bad. 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:13.000 We're gonna rotate now from this somewhat grim point, but 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:14.960 I will. I want to end this point by saying 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:18.040 something which is important, which is I have more fucking 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:21.680 respect for anyone who works in the McDonald's or diner 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:24.800 or the shittiest chip shop in London and any city 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:26.840 in the world, than I will ever have for anyone 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:30.040 who works at fucking Google. And if you disagree with me, 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.080 go and work a fucking day in a fucking restaurant. 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:36.000 I've never done it. I'm lucky enough to never have to, 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:38.800 but my whole fucking family has. And if you don't 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:42.960 respect service workers, you're not welcome on this fucking show. 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:55.080 A z Eezy top once said, how how how how 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:58.440 We're back at Better offline CUS twenty twenty six coverage 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:02.520 and we've stuffed face with tech and our face with guests. 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:04.040 This was not a well written one. 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:07.200 Joining me is stand up comedian Chloe Radcliffe. 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:08.600 You won't let me leave. 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:10.040 I won't let you leave. 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:12.440 That's right. You've got two more episodes and then you 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:13.000 can go. 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:15.640 Won't let me leave the Cees story. 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.680 Robert Evans are behind the bastards. I'm also not allowed 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:21.320 to leave. He's not. And then we've got Western Lee, 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:25.320 the writer. Now I must say Western Lee is an inspiration. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:28.040 Weston is one of the only people in the world 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:31.640 who cares about annualized revenue, and you and I sat 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:33.960 on you. We are friends because we sat and went. 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:38.640 We've lined up all the anthropic reporting around their annualized revenues. 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:40.000 We put them in the line, and we've worked out 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:41.160 how much we've they've made. 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.760 You know, it's amazing when you learn about somebody sharing 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:44.680 a spreadsheet with them. 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:47.440 No, it's I brought you here straight up to just 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:50.080 like thank you in front of hundreds of thousands of people. 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:54.560 Thanks for the first time you had sex? Wait me yeah, ah, 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.600 oh we're getting too, we're getting to do dark. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:05:00.720 Nineteen Okay, I was five minutes before my twentieth Wow, 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:02.720 I have my first case when I was like a 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:05.640 Halloween two thousand and five. I don't know how old 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:07.400 I was, not I was nineteen at the time. I 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:10.520 know because I had sex like five minutes before. Wow, 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:11.440 like a real. 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.200 Like kiss, then sex, no sex then. 1:05:13.160 --> 1:05:16.000 Oh no, no, sorry, don't it was months later like 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:18.120 it was in two thousand and six when I had 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.480 sex for the first time. Yeah, see, I don't give 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:22.960 a ship like anyway West and welcome to the show. 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:25.200 Hey, happy to be here a long time, first time 1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:28.680 for a long time, first time and sorry you true 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:31.000 open eye hater sixteen. 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:32.000 Wow. 1:05:32.440 --> 1:05:35.680 Nice, it was comfortably. 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:39.400 Yeah, that is that is so much said, cool and 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:41.960 cooler than I would have expected from a man who 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:44.960 said the sentence, It's amazing what you learn about somebody 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.440 from sharing a spreadsheet. 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:48.919 Western. Western's the dog. 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:51.360 Yeah, oh yeah, that's been a long time since. 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:54.680 Then only one. 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:58.080 No, No, it's great. I too, and I'm lying if 1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:00.560 never had sex. No, okay, so putting my lack of 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:04.480 sex aside, we have had to delete Robertsons due to 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:07.720 issues of national security. So Western, what are you doing 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.480 here at ces? What do you? What are you up to? 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:09.880 So? 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:12.800 I'm a game writer and I'm a copywriter and when 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:17.040 I copyright, I work in like certain niches that are 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:20.800 cees adjacent, like gear that content creators use to do 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:24.160 podcasts and videos and stuff and film production equipment. And 1:06:24.200 --> 1:06:28.840 I've narrowly avoided working cees in my lifetime, like three 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:33.080 four different times. It's never been and I had the opportunity, 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:34.840 I was like, well, I should come scope it out. 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:38.480 And I wanted to see all the amazing gadgets on 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:39.400 the trade shill floor. 1:06:40.560 --> 1:06:43.360 Yeah, and this was a bad year for that. 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:47.760 Sadly, I do you guys really live like this, Like 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:49.320 every January, you just come. 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:55.200 Here and yeah, fucking drag show. The about liquor on 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:56.360 the show floor sometimes? 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:57.000 Is that for real? 1:06:57.080 --> 1:07:00.160 Some of the contacts have bars, you know, and did 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:01.200 you say comdex. 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:04.080 Oh my god, it's like because that's what used to be. 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:06.760 Right, Yeah, that's I. 1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:10.000 Could see the Mobile World Congress. Wrong. I was there 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:12.800 the year Angry Birds came out and the Rodeo guys 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.760 rented out like a whole beachside cabana, and every Rovio 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:18.400 employee I saw at the party they were hosting was 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:21.680 like blacked out to the new or past the point 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:23.720 of but that makes a whole company. 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.160 It was amazing. No, but that makes perfect sense because 1:07:26.160 --> 1:07:28.000 for a while they were like, Rovio is going public, 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:30.880 Rovio is the Angry Birds on the next mavel. Well, 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:32.160 I guess it would be Disney at the time. 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:34.800 We're a bunch of like twenty two year old nerds 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.520 who suddenly had like a three hundred million dollar company exactly. 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:40.800 They win insane. It was like German or something like sweetish, 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:44.680 like they were like a Nordic nation, maybe the Swedes, right, Yeah. 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:47.800 No, I mean because I met a couple of Americans, 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:49.280 but I don't know. It may just have been that 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:50.920 their team had some I don't Yeah. 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:54.040 Peter a Storm, friend of the show, My might pay 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.320 that m could drink me to death. I don't know, 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:58.000 but like if it's sweets, I'd be surprised if you 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:58.840 could see the alcohol. 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:01.320 But most of what I remember from that party is 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:03.640 that there was a box of Cuban cigars that they 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:05.720 just like had on a table and at a certain point, 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:07.120 I was like, none of these kids smoke. 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:13.400 They just took them the whole box. Yeah, you looted 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:14.320 the Angry Post. 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:14.720 It did. 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:16.559 Like two and a half hours had gone by and 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:19.960 no one's touched these fucking I think that Romeo Julietta's 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:21.400 and I was like, fuck it, I'm taking them. 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:23.360 So this is my first s Yes, So what you're 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.240 saying is in two thousand and nine they had apps 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:27.559 like it's just a bunch of phones in a booth 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:28.080 and you can play. 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:32.639 Ever's huge because it was a new idea because well 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:34.679 it was that was the you had your your waves. 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.519 You had like first like smartphones, and to an extent, 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:39.680 the smartphone and app foam waves at the same time, 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.479 where it was like every other booth is a new 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:45.960 smartphone or like huge Google used. Google had like this 1:08:46.160 --> 1:08:49.200 massive booth when Google had a year after Andrew came 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:52.000 or Android came out. Yeah, they had a slide one year. 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.360 It was like three acres because it was like Android 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:57.479 was like a year or two new. Oh, they were 1:08:57.640 --> 1:09:00.240 used to be so much fun that it was way 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:00.760 better back there. 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:02.519 That's kind of the thing that I think is missing 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:04.120 as well, like putting aside the fact that they're on 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:04.920 useful stuff. 1:09:05.200 --> 1:09:06.680 It doesn't even feel. 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:09.920 Like light hot, Like there used to be something dorky 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:12.120 Like E three in its heyday used to be kind 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:13.960 of silly and also very sexist in a way that 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:17.000 was reprehensible and remains that way. LOOE three is dead. 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:19.240 It's like there used to be a dorkyess through his 1:09:19.360 --> 1:09:21.880 like fuck it where Google whenever fucking slide, like the 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:25.680 big tractor is the only bit of this place is whimsy. 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:27.320 Lest One year I went to E three, they had 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:30.519 like two hundred extras all dressed as North Korean soldiers 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:32.760 to like from home Front. 1:09:32.960 --> 1:09:37.080 I think it was from Home Fro written by the 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:37.880 Red Dawn guy. 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:43.320 Yeah, written by million million two hundred fucking North Korean 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:47.240 soldiers marching around the It was it was nuts. 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:51.400 Little North Korean whimsy. But this place is bereaft of whimsy. 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:55.960 It's like a sexless goon cave. It's just there's just 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:58.479 it's doing stuff for the sake of doing with no 1:09:58.600 --> 1:09:59.960 level of like self effail. 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:02.080 Totally, there was no sense of humor. 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.120 It's silly, and you should be silly about this stuff. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:08.559 It's not silly. Our pen that has a chatbot on 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.720 it has to succeed against the four hundred other pins 1:10:10.720 --> 1:10:12.720 that have chatbots on it, on the glasses that have 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.080 chat bots on it, and the chat bots that have 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:17.800 actually three different chat pots if you think about it. 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:19.519 But no, I think I think the general lack of 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:22.439 whimsy here is just very sad because the whole thing 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:25.400 about tech is it should be kind of fun. It 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:27.519 is kind of especially for something like this, where it's 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:30.759 like it's ostensibly for consumers, but it's like we're trying 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:31.120 some shit. 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:31.360 Ow. 1:10:31.600 --> 1:10:33.880 It's like a concept car, Like I saw a concept 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.839 car for an autonomous vehicle, which is a bit everyone 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:39.800 does every Like last year Tco makes TVs had a 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:41.920 concept car and it's like this year I saw one. 1:10:41.960 --> 1:10:43.080 It's also half hot. 1:10:43.240 --> 1:10:47.760 It's now. I will say, what you're describing is tech 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.519 that doesn't fully work, but is like taking a big 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:53.280 swing with everybody knowing it doesn't fully work. Yeah, we 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:57.240 all sort of forgive it. That actually describes a lot 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:00.800 of what we've talked about. The laundrobot that doesn't fold 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.160 find your keys, that doesn't find your keys, But there 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:10.000 is no there seems to be no feeling of experimentation, 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:11.200 there's no like. 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:12.639 They're not big swings. 1:11:12.720 --> 1:11:14.799 Is I think the problem, like something like a laundry 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:17.360 folding bot is at least like that. That remains a 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:20.040 high bar for a robot to breach. And so every 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:21.800 attempt at it, even though the most at least that 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:23.439 you're trying to do something that we don't really have 1:11:23.520 --> 1:11:26.599 it down. But most of by volume, the vast majority 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:29.120 of like new shit I saw was you know this 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.439 product that already exists, it's got a chat bot. Now 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:36.240 you can talk to it. It can transcribe your conversations. 1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:40.479 I saw like a million glasses and rings and pins 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:44.160 and like a bunch of different individual products that are 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:46.680 all It has a chat bot. It records your conversations 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:49.400 it has a translation, right, Yeah. 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:51.679 The coolest thing I saw today. It sounds like doesn't 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:55.439 even normally exist at CES, which is an install, like 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:58.400 an interactive install like out of Comic Con for a movie. 1:11:58.840 --> 1:11:58.880 What. 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:01.880 Oh yeah, Rebecca Ferguson movie. We're talking about this scene. 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:02.839 But I saw the booth. 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:06.400 Mercy now, and it totally fits this because it's dour 1:12:06.439 --> 1:12:09.720 as hell, because it's a dystopian future sci fi where 1:12:09.720 --> 1:12:12.479 an Ai is judge Jerry and executioner for people on 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:14.480 trial and stuff, and Rebecca Ferguson. 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.799 So like compost the criminal justice system. 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:19.160 The video that they had so in the booth is 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:21.519 blacked out like it's a defense booth, like you're at 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:24.920 a cop show or a military show. And so I 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:26.720 just see this video playing on the side, and it 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:28.960 takes a second for me to register that it's Rebecca 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:31.160 Ferguson in the video and it's not just an ad 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:35.120 for a real company. So yeah, Mercy coming out January 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:35.719 twenty third. 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:39.280 It's it's very fun because you said, uh, that's the 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:41.040 one with Chris Pratt. When I went up to the booth, 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:42.960 I asked, like, what is it, and she said, we'll 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:44.920 look inside, and then I'll tell you and openside and 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:47.120 it's like a guy in a chair, Well it looks 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:49.479 like handcuffed in the chairs where it's like, yeah, it's 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:51.880 clearly this is a robots are judging us kind of 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:53.800 movie or we have an AI judge. So I walk 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:55.360 out and I'm like, I don't know, is it like 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.200 a game? And she said no, it's a movie trailer. 1:12:58.240 --> 1:12:59.000 And I was like oh. 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:00.680 She's like, haven't you heard of the movie? And I 1:13:00.720 --> 1:13:03.160 was like, no, you even't heard of Mercy No, And 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:05.080 she said, well, it's got Chris Pratt in it. And 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:07.080 I was like, well, okay, that didn't that. 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.560 That did not mean over you're not selling. Yeah, I 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:13.599 think Chris Pratt. I think Rebecca Ferguson cancels out Chris Pratt, 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.360 but she loses all of her all of her draw 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:19.160 is also canceled out by Chris Pratt. 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:20.120 So it's just a flat line. 1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:20.360 Yeah. 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:24.360 I am so neutral. I'm fucking done with things like 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:27.240 what if AI takes over everything. Make a movie where 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:29.599 it's like everyone bet on the wrong course, Like make 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:33.240 something where the dystopia is like societal failure based on 1:13:33.280 --> 1:13:37.120 stupid choices. Yeah, that are not just political or what 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:38.599 if the AI is so powerful? 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:41.000 Is ed you'r? Are you saying one of your listeners 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:43.479 should should fund a movie that I write about this? 1:13:43.760 --> 1:13:45.960 Yeah? Fuck it, Yeah I can be in that. 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:46.320 Great. 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:48.760 The idea I've had that I was thinking about since 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:52.559 we were doing our episodes on nuclear war is okay, 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:54.920 you don't have Skynet gain control of the nukes, but 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:58.799 instead you have the military adopt like an AI program 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:00.679 that it links a bunch of its our en listening 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:05.439 stations due to analyze incoming signal intelligence data, right, and 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:09.240 that errantly says that there's an attack imminent, and so 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:11.759 the humans decide that they're going to start by firing 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:14.240 all of the missiles. And it's the job of our 1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:17.280 protagonists to convince all of these generals and politicians who 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.160 are losing their minds over data that over what the 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:22.840 conclusions of this AI that like, we are not in 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:24.640 danger and you do not need to fire all of 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:24.960 the news. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:25.479 If you made. 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:31.360 Mond ian Ucci Death of Stalin, that would be really 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:34.080 good because mission impossible, The Lost One. If you watch 1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:36.719 this fucking movie, great, If you didn't, it's so long 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:39.040 and so bad and so I don't know, but it's 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:41.920 like the entity controls all of the nukes, and it's like, 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.080 who gives a fucking job. I watched that movie the 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:46.720 whole time. I was just like, I hope they will 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:49.320 fucking die. Like I'm just like I will these people 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:51.360 of len Agela Besset, she's all right. 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:55.439 Speaking of Rebecca Ferguson, movies where somebody has to convince 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:59.280 somebody to not fire peremptively, right, there is the movie 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:01.040 that's on Netflix that came out a couple of months 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:04.880 ago that is pretty much exactly that. But it's not 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:08.400 it's not exploring AI at all. It's that they pick 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:10.200 up a signal that that there's a that there is 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:12.320 something in coming and they can't figure out what it is. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:14.920 And that I mean, oh yeah, watch that movie. 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:17.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the movie that just yes, yeah, And 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.320 Rebecca Ferguson was actually I didn't remember who she was. 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.679 Looked up. She was actually in Mission Impossible, Funal Reckoning, 1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:23.800 And my. 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:26.240 Fucking boyfriend has a big fucking crush on her, So 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:27.320 I hate her. 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:30.920 Stewart, I kind of like her, Stewart, come on the show, 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:32.080 you very funny? 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:36.320 What if in your nuke movie? The nukes also had chatbots. 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:37.760 Well, yeah, I mean you got to put because the 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:39.479 nuketons to be able to tell you like how it 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:40.560 needs to have a personality. 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:42.880 It's like like a doctor Strangelow thing, where like every 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:45.240 Peter Seller's character is a chatpot. 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:47.760 Yeah, it needs each agent is like you got this, 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:50.200 you got this, It's gonna be okay. 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:52.240 It needs to be able to text the like bombardier 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:54.280 who drops it like, Hey, I just want you to 1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:55.880 let you know that, like I think you did a 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:56.639 really good job. 1:15:57.160 --> 1:15:59.160 Fly today. Fly. 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:03.920 Yeah, people are going to be angry for this, but 1:16:03.960 --> 1:16:04.760 you did the right thing. 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:06.880 It's going to be dangerous, but it's also gonna help 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:11.360 I do. I think that we're approaching an I and 1:16:11.479 --> 1:16:13.840 UCHI versus far more than anything else at this point, 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:16.960 where it's just very silly and bad, but not for 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:19.519 like the nuclear holocaust way. It's just going to be 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:23.519 like everyone everyone shits their pants at once economically, but yeah, 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:24.360 that's also bad. 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:29.160 I mean you maybe see some uh looming signs of 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:31.760 that here with just the number of things that they're 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.479 they're like pulling back on, Like I'm still saying a 1:16:34.520 --> 1:16:37.040 lot of the same claims made about like what's how 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:39.599 self driving is going to take off, Like what part 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:42.320 like that car you were talking about, tinsor the world's 1:16:42.320 --> 1:16:47.760 first robocar that the PR lady was absolutely certain is 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:50.799 definitely coming out in the next year more and it's 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:51.839 it's it's level. 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:53.720 For self driving. And I was like, okay, what is 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:54.320 level for me? 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:56.599 Well, she said, like a Weimo And I said, well, 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.040 weimos are only allowed to drive in a really small 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:03.639 set of area. Yes, what about this, because you're kind 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:05.960 of advertising that you can self drive it whenever you want. 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:07.559 Is it just you can self drive it if you're 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:11.080 in downtown San Francisco. And she's like, well, whatever we do, 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:13.360 it's going to be completely compliant with the. 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:14.120 Law and safe. 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:17.439 And I was like, that's simply not an answer about 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:21.880 where your car can go. 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:26.960 What are you driving to today. 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:27.120 On the law? 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.120 Was this a booth person? 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:32.439 This was a booth person. Now get to be fair. 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:35.080 So I'm accurate. The car you can also drive it 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:37.360 has the first storyial that flips out. But I was 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:39.920 I was asking about, like, well, the self driving stuff, 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:42.519 because you show it driving in a lot of areas. 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:45.080 I also feel like self driving at this point, it's 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.519 not a solve problem even remotely. But it's like we've 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.639 seen it. I'm not sure what else you can show 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.280 here unless it's driving you around. 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:54.360 Keep getting better, it being functional in other. 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:56.160 Areas, right, but how would you show that in the 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:58.000 convention floor? 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:00.000 They have a bunch of methods because a lot of 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:02.599 the boosts, they'll show you here's what the camera sees, 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:06.240 and here's like the big thing this year was demonstrating 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:08.720 here's how much better the sensors are at cutting through 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:10.040 fog and cutting. 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:12.680 Right, Which is cool, I give them that stuff. 1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:16.360 Right, but yeah, it's it's not the same as there 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:17.960 being a bunch of new products. A lot of times 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:20.640 you're looking at like a disembodied piece of an automobile 1:18:20.720 --> 1:18:21.920 and it's like here's. 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:23.920 And a bunch of flashing thingies, and it's like, look 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:25.960 look at all the things we know. Look a cat. 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:28.080 Yeah, and I don't doubt that it's important, But I 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:30.160 guess what I'm kind of gathering is that like we're 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:33.479 continuing to slowly figure out this technology and maybe one 1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:38.520 day it'll get there. Before you know, society collapses. 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:41.360 Yeah, it's like the CS trough of dis illusion. Yeah, 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.439 show it's just everyone's just kind of like, yeah, well 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:47.439 we're still working it out, give me money. 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:53.080 And that's what I want to reiterate is when we 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:55.880 were talking about the whimsy, the kind of stuff that 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:57.760 is like it doesn't work and it's not gonna be 1:18:57.800 --> 1:19:00.120 ready for a long time was acceptable when there is 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:03.479 some kind of self awareness, Yeah, it's not gonna be 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:05.840 ready for a long time. Yeah, when it is tried. 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:08.080 When when when a company is trying to pass it off, 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:10.960 is hoping that you don't ask the question of and 1:19:11.000 --> 1:19:12.960 when will this be available and how much money is 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:14.920 it and can it do this and can do when 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:16.720 they seem to sort of be hoping that you just 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:18.880 buy the ruse, that's when it's frustrating. 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:22.519 And that's like that was very much you usually reserved 1:19:22.560 --> 1:19:25.080 for like Kickstarter and Indiegogo shit where it's like, okay, 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:28.479 you're kind of backing something vestigial and like you usually 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.639 wouldn't back the one that couldn't show you something because 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:33.280 those ones will disappear with your money. But now like 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:35.880 Nvidia is running things like kickstarts up because you can't 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.400 get refunds or change things, which is so cool. 1:19:38.520 --> 1:19:40.599 You apparently don't have to pay for anything now either. 1:19:40.760 --> 1:19:44.400 We love it folks, but it's it's so strange as well, 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:47.759 because you, I mean, sure you've got hucks. This ces, 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:50.360 but there would be a level of mad scientist to it, 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:52.280 like the LG. Kloyd robot. 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.439 Ah Chloyd, Oh Cloyd, Well, oh Kloyd, Oh Kloyd. Cloyd 1:19:56.560 --> 1:19:59.080 is your new best friend. He's a robot that can 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:02.519 do your dish is very slowly and also can't really 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:05.439 do them cat not like well. And he can fold 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:09.320 some kinds of very simple laundry like towels, again very slowly. 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:12.960 And yeah, it was saying hook he said he couldn't 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:15.240 fold them properly. It didn't look good at it. 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:18.000 No, and if you're kind of old and fading, it 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:19.280 can remind you to eat fruit. 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:23.320 Yeah, it's name is Cloyd, but Cloyd like not a 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.559 natural thing to say. But the thing is like something 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:28.560 like Cloyd. They would be like, this is just a concept. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:30.760 Like you, Samsung a few years ago just had a 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:33.519 giant like circle thing you could sit in and it 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.639 had giant screens and they were very much like it's 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:38.320 the same Sung crazy experience. It's like just some shit 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:39.880 to show its yes, and everyone went in went like 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:42.679 cool sat and Sung's fucking around with screens because Samsung 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.000 makes screens. But this was like, yeah, it's the year 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:47.800 of robots. Yeah, it's the year of robots in your home. 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:52.560 Well okay, not your home or a home anywhere, but 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:55.800 this home we built here it kind of doesn't work 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:58.400 in But what if it did? But it doesn't? Please don't. 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.479 You can't buy it? When can you buy it? It doesn't exist? 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:01.120 How much is it? 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:02.960 We work at the video of this robot with the 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:06.160 woman we got whose hair is like studiously gray, even 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:08.160 though she she doesn't look like she's about you out 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:10.360 of her late forties, but we clearly want you to 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:12.400 think of her as old for the sections where it 1:21:12.400 --> 1:21:14.559 looks like it's a robot for helping an old person. 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:17.040 But then here's some kids playing it, so you know 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:19.000 that it's good with kids, because we'd love it if 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:21.200 families bought it too, But we don't really know what 1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:23.760 people want out of a robot that looks like a 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:27.799 cross between the robot from a fucking what's what's. 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:29.479 That eighties movie? Not Wally the one. 1:21:29.320 --> 1:21:32.360 Before wait the decades it's silent running no, no, no, 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:34.120 fuck the nerdy. 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:39.559 Batteries not included. No, I will say email if you 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:41.439 remember the one I'm just imagining my. 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:43.680 Daily department, it's not a humanoid robots one. 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:47.800 Yes, Marion, my daily grandmother would have fucking hated these things, 1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:51.599 like just the Also, old people, their brains still fucking work. 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:55.400 They will feel the condescension of the world's slowest machine 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:56.120 doing something. 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.240 But on top of it, if they were just. 1:21:58.200 --> 1:22:00.960 Like, here are some shit we're trying now, like we've 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.599 found pistons and like senses, we're trying these new sets, 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:05.920 I would be fucking like, fuck me up, Like, fine, 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:08.040 show me the new things you're working on. But it's 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:11.360 framed as it and there are journalists writing this is 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:14.360 the ces of robots and you're being fucking played, every 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:15.519 single fucking one of you. 1:22:16.520 --> 1:22:19.599 Well, I mean there's the there's industrial robots, which like 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:22.040 it looks like some of them are getting bad. I'm 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:24.400 not great at it, but like I've seen like big 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:27.800 robot arms that are like folding paper with a lot 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:30.400 more dexterity that I used to seeing and stuff like that. 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:32.719 And I'm saying even like there was a humanoid rubbo 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.920 with hands that was could just do that, and so 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.240 I'll believe that there's some like industrial applications, but so 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:41.240 much of the show is set on selling the idea 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:43.720 of a home robot, and none of those look like 1:22:43.720 --> 1:22:47.120 they can do anything useful and they almost be expensive, 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:49.160 And I don't know why you think people want one. 1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:52.080 I just feel like the CEA who runs this show, 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:56.720 how is there not like a fraudulent element to this, 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.879 because when most of the show appears to be deception, 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:02.679 because like I've been to a lot of these fucking 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:05.040 that they've been coming here since twenty eleven, I've seen 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:07.200 a lot of weird shit that was kind of vestigiou 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.320 and like, Okay, we're working on this, maybe it will happen, 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:13.360 maybe it won't, but not most of it. And it 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:16.280 feels like the ultimate end point of just never fucking 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:19.040 truly holding their feet to the fire and never asking. 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:20.680 And I keep going back to this clubbing. I know 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.960 I will actually say this just on behalf of me 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:25.200 and the listeners. You keep saying these derisive things about 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:27.240 yourself that are incorrect, like oh, it's a layperson. 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:28.759 Oh I'm stupid, You're not stupid. 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:31.040 You're asking the questions that the journalists should ask, like 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:34.120 who cares and it's like, well, who cares? But also 1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:36.880 is this real? Will you ever make it? Does this 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.280 do the thing that you should do? The fact that 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:44.200 the ca themselves doesn't have this level is disgraceful. 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:47.000 Well, yeah, I think they made the decision a long 1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:50.080 time ago that they're in the business of number one, 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:53.720 providing real estate to these companies. Yeah, they're working for 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:57.439 the company selling this schluck right, Like that's that's their 1:23:57.600 --> 1:24:00.120 job and it's not even you would think. And I 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:02.320 think maybe in the past there was a broad understanding 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:04.280 that part of their job was to ensure that the 1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:08.160 tech industry remained healthy and didn't become what it's turned into. 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:11.360 But it's been a while since anybody in the business 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:13.639 world felt like they had responsibility for anything. 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:17.839 But even then, like this feels like almost the beginning 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.719 of the punishment, because what happens when all of these 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:24.599 companies with the LLM rappers die, Who's going to pay 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:27.760 for these fucking boots? Because if there were other companies 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:31.559 that pay them, they would have paid. I saw a 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:35.280 fucking chunk of the Venetian or the Palazzo casino closed 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:39.560 off today because there weren't enough gamblers. Oh pretty gamblers 1:24:39.560 --> 1:24:42.400 aren't here during a business week. What is going on? 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:45.759 We can't con people from other countries into gambling. 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:47.400 I did wonder if. 1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:49.519 The people from other countries are visiting as much. 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.439 Yeah, well that's probably because there aren't good enough catch. 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:55.080 I'm joking, joking, Chloe, we you canna say? 1:24:55.320 --> 1:24:59.519 I did wonder if this population is a uh like 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:00.400 gamble party? 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:05.800 Yes, population, yes, people. It used to be ces. People 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:08.599 would come get rip shit, they'd see it, or stand 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.439 at our beautiful craps tables. They'd be they'd be going 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:13.519 all the hard ways. They'd be doing big six, big A, 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:16.599 all the dumbest bets. These motherfuckers put so much money 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:19.559 on midnight, which is twelve on the crab's table. That's 1:25:19.600 --> 1:25:21.200 how you know you have a healthy Vegas when you've 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:23.680 got some dumb fucks at the craps tables. Yeah, we've 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:25.080 got empty craps tables. 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.679 This is a bad sign me making really smart bets. 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.120 Yeah, what, you've got a system. 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:33.360 That's why I play. I haven't gambled in years and 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:37.040 they live here, which is crazy. But no, I'm genuinely serious. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:41.000 Something's off, Something is genuinely off. 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:43.160 So I don't know sorry, Well, I don't have the 1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:46.559 perspective with cees. But I gotta say, I don't know 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:48.800 how many of the talks and panels you guys went to, 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:49.840 but I spent a good mont. 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:50.360 You see. 1:25:50.720 --> 1:25:53.679 Oh I went to the ARIA and the main through 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:55.639 line that I thought was a little odd because there's 1:25:55.640 --> 1:26:00.280 definitely execs doing doing the lines, playing the hits. You know, 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.280 use AI now or your job is in jeopardy, and 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.000 you know, I know of companies where one hundred percent 1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:08.080 of the AI is written, one hundred percent of the 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:11.040 code is written. Ryan, here's the And I've heard that 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:13.479 stuff for years, so it's a little bit like this 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:15.479 is the same, Like we're still doing this, but there's 1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:18.520 like these little glimmers of things that make me go huh. 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:21.920 Like the word incremental showed up in like three different 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:24.599 talks where it's just like, what what does the next 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:26.559 year mean to you? And it's like incremental. You need 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:29.400 to you need to be going to your customers that 1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:32.320 are using these tools, you know, in advertising and asking 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:36.880 for incremental gains. And I'm like, not revolutionary gains, not 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:41.320 little barn burners going from here to here. There was 1:26:41.320 --> 1:26:43.240 a there was a talk that with the one of 1:26:43.280 --> 1:26:45.639 the guys who runs this spinoff company from tell Us, 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.880 which the Canadian telecommunications company right now, I think, and 1:26:49.920 --> 1:26:51.840 he's like, yeah, we saw one hundred two hundred and 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.920 fifty million in savings, you know, using AI tools. And 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:57.280 I'm like, all right, what's what's tell US's revenue? And 1:26:57.280 --> 1:26:59.599 that's like, you know, point zero four. 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:02.840 Eight for I also, sure you did, Sure you fucking 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:06.479 fucking anything else. I'm going to strap you to one 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:08.759 of the fucking chairs from saw. I'm going to fucking 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:12.680 handcuff you to an radiator, and I'm going to have 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:15.679 Jigsaw extract from you how you save that money, because 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:17.679 I bet you didn't save a fucking penny with large 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:22.640 language models, You're lying, sack of shit. It's a specifics, 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:24.599 get real incremental with a bone saw. 1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:27.040 And the big thing that you're seeing the shift here, 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:31.760 I think, has been because there's not like previously the 1:27:31.800 --> 1:27:34.920 thing about this was about consumer electronics, and there's always 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:37.680 been you know, software and apps and stuff, but it's 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:40.720 been very focused on things that people will use, right, 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:42.200 and that's what journals are here to report. And I 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:44.320 was like, here is all these companies' vision of like 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:46.240 what people want to buy and what they want to 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:47.760 use and what will delight them and what will be 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:51.160 useful to them, and a lot more of the emphasis 1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:53.320 since all this AI stuff has come to centralize it 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:55.960 on is here is a product that will allow you 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:58.800 to hurt a customer. Here is a product that will 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:02.680 allow you to extract from people without priding really or 1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:04.840 while that you're sneaking into his service. 1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:05.559 There was a company. 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:07.280 I went to their booth and got to walk through 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:12.439 SoundHound AI. Oh fucking Soundundhound. Yeah, And their whole thing 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:15.120 is we make agents. We make agents for companies. And 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:17.040 one example they gave him. An agent was like they 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:21.080 basically an AI doing the job of taking orders for 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:23.400 burger king right and like taking down orders, and it 1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:25.920 also controlled the menu. And so the first thing that 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:28.519 they showed the guy demoing it showed with someone being like, 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:31.000 tell me what burgers are good, and while there was 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:32.400 a menu up in front of them, instead of looking 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.080 at the menu, asking it, and so it suggested a burger. 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:36.479 And I was like, I. 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:38.559 Don't think people will use it that way often. That's 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:39.640 a weird thing for him to show. But then I 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:42.400 understood why, because he was talking to this group of 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:44.880 like three or four people, and he was talking to 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:49.240 them about how and obviously, you know, Burger King feels like, Okay, 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:51.240 we have this much stock that needs to get moved 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:54.080 right now for whatever reason, because it's like close to expiring. 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:56.799 We can make sure to like really push that to customers. 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:59.040 Or if we want to sell more, you know, more 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:01.080 whoppers with cheese, we can. We can push the walk, 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.120 we can we can recommend that to people. We can 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:05.600 even alter the menu if things are out, or if 1:29:05.640 --> 1:29:08.280 we really want to push certain items. And he said, like, 1:29:08.360 --> 1:29:12.040 for example, if Coke wants to really sell coke vanilla, 1:29:12.080 --> 1:29:14.200 we can start pushing large coke vanillas. You can push 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:17.160 specific sizes. And I was wondering why they're talking about this, 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:19.479 because again, people don't use it that way. And then 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:22.880 they realized all of the gaggle of four people that 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:25.280 the rep from Soft Town was talking to, I looked 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:28.800 at their badges. They all worked for Coca Cola, and 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:31.559 so this was a pitch up them. This is the 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:33.880 future of ordering at fast food restaurants, and if you 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.160 work with us, we won't push Coca Cola on customers. 1:29:37.280 --> 1:29:39.760 A lot of the marketing in this bubble. Like you know, 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:43.200 like as a writer, I've spent years watching like creatives 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:45.519 in Hollywood and games and stuff just feel like they're 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:48.240 on the back foot because they're being threatened by. 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:48.880 This marketing way. 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:51.439 The marketing is not even aimed at them. When somebody 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:53.400 says you have to learn this or else you're you're 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.439 somebody is going to take your job, that's not actually 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:58.680 aimed at that person. It's aimed at the investors. Yes, right, 1:29:58.680 --> 1:30:00.880 And that's one of the most inficant bullying, you know. 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:04.320 But the funny thing is Soundham was a basically a 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:07.639 Shazam competitor. But what's really good about that is Adam 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:09.840 brought this up yesterday and it's like there is a 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:12.479 famous tree where it's like every Gemini commercial is wat 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:14.720 should I eat for dinner? And he goes sandwich and 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:17.639 they got to holy shit, and it's literally that it's 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:22.120 literally what what burger do I get? Burger? Holy fucking shit? 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:25.280 That will be one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month. 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.840 And they showed their like their car AI program where 1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:31.120 you can build your own agents in your car, and 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:32.920 he gave it these capabilities and the demo that he 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:36.679 ran it on was Oh, my car's making this weird noise, 1:30:37.080 --> 1:30:39.840 and he described the noise and the chat bond the car. 1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:42.879 First said that sounds like it's this kind of problem. 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:46.000 The average cost to prepare is seven hundred dollars. Do 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:47.720 you want me to find a place for you to 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:50.920 get your car repaired? Aliens, Yes, he said, I'll call 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:51.760 the dealership. 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:52.400 I've booked. 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:55.719 I've booked a spot at the dealership while you're there. 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:58.120 Do you want me to schedule a test drive and 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:02.400 a new Nissan whatever car? Yes, my wife loves that car. 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:06.080 And it was all about like, first off, nobody unless 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:08.639 you're I guess, I'm sure there are like rich people 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.200 one they here, Oh, problem, I'll take it to the 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:14.599 dealership and pay whatever it costs. Most people are like, okay, well, 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:16.400 I've got a guy who didn't rip me off too 1:31:16.400 --> 1:31:18.280 bad before. I'm gonna see if he can diagnose it. 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:20.840 And like, can I but my gym straight to the 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:23.800 dealer seven hundred dollars? Okay nothing, and like yeah, I'll 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:25.640 take a test drive. I'm always in the market for 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:27.639 a brand new car, like yeah, it's just like it's 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:32.080 just it's all predatory for the person driving the car. 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:35.000 It's all because everything that got the engineer excited, the 1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:36.960 only stuff you wanted to talk about was and here's 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:38.559 another place where I'll try to sell you something. 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:41.080 That's that was it for the AI. The thing is, 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:45.040 it's like I think the tech industry has become guys 1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:47.760 selling stuff the guys that will not use it. It's 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:49.599 just companies selling things to companies. 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:50.160 Numbers. 1:31:50.200 --> 1:31:53.040 You don't need numbers. You don't need to raise numbers 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:54.080 to do money. Yeah. 1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:56.080 Well and that, Yeah, that's the because one of two 1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:58.200 things will be true. Either all of these AI agents 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:01.320 being integrated into these projects will drive of sales significantly, 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:03.519 and that will be the new thing advertisers fight over. 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:06.200 And I'm not I'm not in love with that future. 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:08.559 That said, it'll probably were better than banner ads. 1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:11.439 We don't think it'll work as I don't think it's good. 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:13.559 It'll work for a while, at least until they get 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:14.439 data on whether or. 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:18.000 Not audit drives open. Aye tried to integrate shopping things. 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:19.280 We're just going to get onto that. But we're coming 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:22.600 to the rotation points. We're going to start rotating owls. 1:32:22.680 --> 1:32:25.000 We're going to move on to the final section, and 1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:29.479 I must say this upcoming AT, I don't I. 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:33.439 Don't know what we're doing under your under your. 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:38.920 I appreciate that it's now a flawless transition. Upcoming AT 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:41.920 is probably for a podcast or some product or some ship, 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.559 but I need you to click it or listen to 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:47.280 whatever the fuck you do. I've never I've never heard 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:49.479 the ads. I don't know what they are. If you 1:32:49.520 --> 1:33:04.200 complain about the ads, please help me. Diane. I'm once 1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:07.160 again in front of a microphone inside the Palazzo Hotel 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:10.559 in Las Vegas, Nevada, and everybody's staring at me because 1:33:10.560 --> 1:33:13.360 they keep saying strange things into the microphone. I'm on 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:16.040 my eighteenth died coke and feeling more alive than I've 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:19.040 ever been. Joining me is actress and stand up comedian 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:22.360 Chlorie Radcliffe for Sadly, our final episode with her. 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:25.639 Wow, this is it. We've come so far. 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.240 Honestly, the listeners fucking love you and I need to 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:29.839 bring you back, so they're going to be pissed. 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:32.519 I'll come back anytime you are. 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:35.559 And to your left is another person who I need, 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:38.479 Rob Peggerarro, the tech reporter who has been around for 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:40.120 a why nineteen. 1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:43.240 Ninety eight was when you start, It's been a minute, Yes, genuinely. 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:46.920 Multiple people have emailed him, both being like we love you, 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:50.640 and then one slightly horny person one slight it was 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:53.720 like Rob Pegerarro SMR. And then to your left is 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:57.799 Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards and who. 1:33:57.640 --> 1:33:59.720 I have heard two of our names in the room 1:33:59.800 --> 1:33:59.960 right now. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:04.520 So many horny things I've like, no, I mean quite literally, 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:09.080 I'm so sorry. But and then okay, we'll just move 1:34:09.120 --> 1:34:10.720 on Robert Evans behind Bustard my. 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:12.840 Bid, but me, anybody's anything horny about me? I got 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:13.840 an olive in my mouth. 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:18.000 You're going to get it. Yeah. I actually have just 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:22.719 describing this. Chloe just has an entire like one big 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:23.920 SPI and I said to. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:24.920 Phil, that's pretty good. 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.120 It's just there's a Greek man sitting in a room 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:29.479 that's nothing but jars of olives, going like, all. 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:36.479 Right, finally, finally podcasts do this. That's yeah, that was terrible. 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:37.920 I have not done any Greek. 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:39.120 Do you want to try that one again? 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:43.000 I know my brain is like I don't know what Greek? No, 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:45.000 I can't, I truly don't. 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:47.960 Know, Like is Greek an accent that white people can. 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:53.240 Do white people in Greek all the time. They're white Greeks. Okay, 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:54.439 well let's move on from that one. 1:34:54.720 --> 1:34:57.840 A fun bit I I one of my favorite bits, 1:34:57.880 --> 1:34:59.920 one of my first bits I got Europeans really man. 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:03.680 I read this article that was arguing that okay, like 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.320 Greeks got inducted into whiteness at the end of World 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:09.000 War two, and I shared it and the person I 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:12.360 got a bunch of Germans really hated me sharing this article. 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:13.920 This was around the time they were trying to make 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:15.400 them pay for their back too. 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:21.160 Yeah. Yeah, that is Edward on Groiso Junior, the writer 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:24.840 of the Tech Bubble newsletter and classic staple of the 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:27.639 Better Offline Experience. We were just talking about white people 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:28.640 do ces, and I know. 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:31.080 I see you about why people do racist. 1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:33.479 Accidents white people do. 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:34.639 They're very fun. 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.360 That's a joke. She is doing a bit. We are 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:41.320 doing banks with Bandmaxing. No, we were just talking about 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:44.080 why people do ces. And I've said earlier it's like, Okay, 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.040 people do these shows because it's an excuse to get 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:50.519 people together. That's completely true. I also think that there 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:53.400 is something kind of magical about ces because you get 1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:55.840 like people just people happen to be here, and if 1:35:55.880 --> 1:35:57.560 you take it for what it is, which is a 1:35:57.600 --> 1:35:59.920 convention center full of bullshit, you can see people like 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:03.360 everyone's room. I'm really happy to see like everyone. Everyone 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:05.360 is in different places. Some of them are like Chloe, 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:07.679 you're in New York, so I see a decent amount 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:10.080 of rob You're in DC, and Ed, I see you. 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:12.599 But like people get busy in Roberts in Portland. It's like, 1:36:12.800 --> 1:36:14.840 it's nice to get people together. And yeah, the more 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:17.639 you suffer, the funny is to talk about it. And also, 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:21.639 I don't know, this podcast fucking rocks, and it's kind 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:23.960 of fun to do something weird and different every year. 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:27.720 I wish there was more on the floor to be 1:36:27.800 --> 1:36:30.920 excited about, though, Ed, what have you been up to today? 1:36:31.280 --> 1:36:32.640 We haven't heard much from you. 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:36.320 Well, funnily enough, I found that there's this AI voice 1:36:36.320 --> 1:36:39.240 emphasized that they let you do any accent that you wanted 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:44.200 to do, And I was on the floor some of 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:46.520 the worst you wasn't good, and it was really. 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:50.040 Was good at anything. 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.040 Yeah, No, I wish you know. 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:59.679 Because you're like, I'm not the one, Yeah, Robot, I'm. 1:37:01.720 --> 1:37:03.479 No to be clear, this is not real. 1:37:03.560 --> 1:37:06.720 This is just me really yeah, yeah, this is man 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:09.160 cauld you imagine, but. 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:15.120 That sounds like prostes. There would just be a line 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:18.280 out the door of guys just being like guys with podcasts, 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:22.280 guys with racist podcasts. WHOA, Finally I'm gonna take our jobs, 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:25.840 like yeah, woke is not back, yeah, because I'm not 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:30.880 what that's right now? Woke to c yes is gonna 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:34.639 be fucking great. We were talking about the gender reassignment section. 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:38.360 It's gonna be fucking great. It's gonna be illegal to 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:40.040 be white for one part of the convention, so that 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:41.040 it's gonna be fucking great. 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:42.920 I cannot wait gott to open every day with the 1:37:43.000 --> 1:37:43.599 land acknowledge. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:48.400 Yeah exactly, Oh no, a brand acknowledgement, but just for 1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:50.360 like were brands like. 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:58.920 Yeah, in ages past, black Bear or I AM would 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:00.639 operate this booth, but. 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:03.559 At times Tanis would have been here, but they were. 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:08.280 I do like the Elizabeth Holmes is now doing like 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:11.840 epic epic posting where it's just like from jail, what 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:17.880 the posting from jail and beab like illegally, illegally canceled 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:19.120 for doing fraud. 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:22.479 Actually you know my My greatest fear about going to 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:24.519 jail was not being able to tweet. But you know 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:27.760 this is this is yeah, Now I don't have to 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:28.320 be afraid of it. 1:38:28.439 --> 1:38:30.479 Yeah, you are a person where I post, that's just 1:38:30.600 --> 1:38:33.000 me at home, right exactly exactly. 1:38:33.120 --> 1:38:35.280 You can launch your own version of fair Noose, which 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.240 is just people mailing you blood and you being like Lucia. 1:38:38.200 --> 1:38:43.240 I'm gonna I'm gonna be the first UH person in 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:46.400 prison to have a fundraising round on going. Okay, they're 1:38:46.400 --> 1:38:48.719 gonna be clamoring for the I don't know what it'll 1:38:49.080 --> 1:38:52.679 maybe it'll be for I do like an potempkin Ai 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:57.080 thing that's just like other prisoners and they're pretending to. 1:38:55.600 --> 1:39:00.840 Be the Martin Luther King's from Birmingham. Jim re Ducks 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:02.519 is like asking for VC, but. 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:06.760 It's just just beware of the credits and tells you 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:08.160 that you can't have a VC. 1:39:08.080 --> 1:39:13.120 Fund in prison. Chapter two begins as a chat. But 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:19.880 I need to reach you this Elizabeth Holmes tweet from 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:23.719 twelve thirty one, twenty five. So New Year's Eve prisons 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:27.240 are meant to rehabilitate prisoners and break crime cycles. Instead, Comma, 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:30.280 they shatter families and make better criminals. It won't break 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:34.280 me on mine, but watching it happen daily is heartbreaking. Honestly, 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:38.479 she this fucking rocks. I'm just sorry if you're gonna 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:40.880 post some prison just being like, I'm not fucking guilty 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:42.960 of the fraud I obviously did. Fuck you. 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:44.760 Yeah, fuck yeah, let's just go for it. 1:39:44.960 --> 1:39:47.479 Like I interpreted that differently. I thought she was saying 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:51.479 prison is meant to like it like breaks people and 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.080 makes them into better and makes them into better criminals. 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:56.040 That's not gonna happen to me. I'm gonna stay a 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:56.680 shitty cri. 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:03.680 If you only knew my real story is so much 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:05.639 more interesting than the one you have been told. Coming 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:08.800 soon in twenty twenty six, and that is seven ellipses, 1:40:09.240 --> 1:40:11.400 nothing hidden, nothing left out. The time for the truth 1:40:11.400 --> 1:40:14.559 has come. No one can hide from the light. Woman, 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:19.280 you did actual fraud. I'm ready for I want to know, 1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.280 Elizabeth Holmes, you are invited on Better Offline? 1:40:22.880 --> 1:40:28.120 Question? Did are there other people who? Are there men 1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:31.800 who have committed fraud as harmful as the fraud that 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:33.559 Elizabeth Holmes committed? I'm not denying. 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:36.880 Yeah, well, I mean they made off the guy the 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:38.320 end rock, but they. 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:40.760 Didn't get culturally crucified in the same way. 1:40:40.960 --> 1:40:43.640 Right, they have been imprisoned. 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:44.720 They have been imprisoned. 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:47.200 Shcreley is the closest to getting that level of like 1:40:47.880 --> 1:40:50.800 early variety. But it also worked out for him a 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:53.760 lot better than her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he built a 1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:55.400 little bit of a weird brand on it. 1:40:55.479 --> 1:40:57.879 Yeah. I think he's in DJ now, are right? 1:40:58.040 --> 1:41:01.800 Really that's less slept with them too, which was weird 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:03.040 DJ allegations. 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:07.679 Yeah, there's a Bloomberg to ruin her life for Charlie. Yeah, 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:10.599 he's had a weird post prison run. 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:15.840 Are there are there people who have committed fraud at 1:41:15.880 --> 1:41:19.040 a at a harmful level, at a like meaningfully harmful level, 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:21.960 who have not been who have not gone to prison? 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:25.240 I mean from DC? 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:26.040 Where do I start? 1:41:26.160 --> 1:41:32.639 Yeah, well, I mean specifically in startups. 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:34.280 Clinicle, not Clinkle. 1:41:34.120 --> 1:41:36.920 This same way where they are literally starting a company 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.000 on completely false pretenses and raising v. 1:41:39.280 --> 1:41:42.960 I actually disagreed Clinkle. Clinkle was this one where you 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:46.680 could Clinkle raised maybe a little bit less, but they 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:48.800 were just this prominent. They were also on the cover 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:52.719 of Forbes. They were also for some reason, is Clink 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:59.560 sound based payment things obviously fraudulent. I mean sound based, sounds. 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:03.760 Like you have money in your pocket, then that means 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:04.479 we've paid you. 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:07.320 He was a very damp looking white boys, so I 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:10.759 know it was a company where you could transfer money 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:13.479 with like hypersonic. It was bullshit. But that's the thing, 1:42:13.600 --> 1:42:16.880 like that that fuck with didn't go to prison. None 1:42:16.920 --> 1:42:19.960 of the Web three people who never did anything, not 1:42:20.040 --> 1:42:22.960 fucking doodles n FT which ended up backing off NFTs, 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:26.200 that alex Ahonian, who is a fucking asshole who should 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:29.680 be crucified for his role in the racism and sexism 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:32.000 of Reddit. Let alone the amount of Web three bullshit 1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:36.360 up a fucking hill. Putting that aside, he like nothing 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:37.960 happened to all the Web three people who did a 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:41.200 bunch of criminal ship, like all of the blatant money line. 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:44.679 And the question is fucking what is this cz from? 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:51.640 And he got part's Adam Newman already got fucking three 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:55.240 hundred million dollars from from Marc Andresen. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:59.360 Because there's there's two differences, and we can debate which 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:03.000 of them is more relevant in her getting penalized much 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:05.200 more than a lot of other people who did similar things. 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:07.280 But like one issue is a woman, but the other 1:43:07.400 --> 1:43:11.360 is it was a health company. People like it was 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:13.200 also cancer is actually fraud. 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:16.759 It was actually fraught fraud. It was like serious medical fraud. 1:43:16.840 --> 1:43:20.800 He also didn't do anything close we work was just 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:22.160 a terrible business. 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:24.600 And that's why I'm asking, like, who harmed people to 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:26.400 the same degree that wasn't well. 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:29.559 Actually the question with Theano says, I actually, like I know, 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:31.360 like people had actually diet was very bad. 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:33.680 Just being clear, I had fucking mortgage backed securities. 1:43:33.760 --> 1:43:36.320 Are a man, and that hurt a lot of people. 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:40.160 FTX did a lot more damage specifically in Yeah, yeah, 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:42.400 oh no, everyone involved with a great financial crisis, everyon 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:44.200 who bet on this, And I'm gonna be fucking honest, 1:43:44.240 --> 1:43:47.080 I'm going to say this, every single company that invested 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:48.760 in data centers that is going to lead to the 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:52.639 financial collapse that follows is worse than thernose. Every single 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:55.400 person who pushed open up or hill is worse than 1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:58.080 thearahnose for what's coming. Yeah, yeah, I'm fucking going for it. 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:02.639 I'm crazy, but yeah, and they will crucify Sam Altman 1:44:03.160 --> 1:44:06.120 if what I think is happening over there is happening 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:08.479 where they're misleading investors, which is my personal belief and 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:12.240 not those of the iHeart Radio Corporation. If that is true, 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:15.960 Sam Mormons should go to jail if it's true, which 1:44:16.000 --> 1:44:19.000 we do not know. If it is, he probably won't 1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:21.559 because like if he's a white when he absolutely would, 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:22.960 but would he have been able to raise the money? 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:23.559 Would they do in this? 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.520 It's but Elizabeth. 1:44:26.040 --> 1:44:28.400 Holmes was like an actual criminal, Like we can't, We're 1:44:28.400 --> 1:44:31.640 not gonna whitewash this. She was an actual criminal who 1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:34.599 like talk with the deep Steve jobsys, which I think 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:35.360 is a funny thing. 1:44:35.800 --> 1:44:39.160 The voice thing, Okay, I will say. 1:44:39.000 --> 1:44:41.120 This my eternal neck, the whole the whole bit. 1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:47.240 I that is where I think sexism is coloring the 1:44:47.400 --> 1:44:51.639 entire interpretation, because truly, when I speak in a lower voice, 1:44:51.680 --> 1:44:54.240 I get treated differently. And when I speaking of and 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:56.599 like that. You listen to women who speak in baby voices, 1:44:56.800 --> 1:44:59.800 and we don't say it's fucked up that women speaking 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:01.680 baby voices, and you run into these women all the 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:03.960 fucking time, and that's not their natural voice, that's not 1:45:04.000 --> 1:45:06.600 that voice that if they were just left grew up 1:45:06.600 --> 1:45:08.360 in the woods, that they would be speaking with that's 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:10.800 a performed voice that they that's an identity that they have. 1:45:10.920 --> 1:45:13.760 Sorry, we've got no I won a way thing about this. 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:18.559 But like, how women are perceived in society is our 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:20.599 voices are a huge part of it, as as they 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:22.840 are with men. Think of gay men who sound gayer 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:25.680 like they get treated differently, right, Like, all of that 1:45:25.960 --> 1:45:30.320 is is part of our performance of power in society, 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:33.479 or our performance of how power and gender are together 1:45:33.520 --> 1:45:36.840 in society. And so then I do think and like, 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:39.719 her voice sounds insane. It sounds insane, but I also 1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:44.599 am like that one I fully fun drive. 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:47.479 Can you tell me more about have you had like 1:45:47.479 --> 1:45:50.080 as a woman, have you had to lower your voice? 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:51.600 And name what scenarios if you had. 1:45:51.880 --> 1:45:54.559 I have a very low voice, right, I just like 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:58.799 speak in a very low voice naturally, right. So I 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:03.439 it's more that I think the inverse is a much 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:09.120 more common experience where women women baby like tucking baby voices, 1:46:09.720 --> 1:46:12.200 and that is a that is like a relinquishing of power, 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:15.760 and that is a submissive stance. And for me, it's like, yeah, 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:19.000 if I talk, if I speak to somebody on the 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:20.799 street or in public, if I'm speaking to a stranger, 1:46:20.800 --> 1:46:22.840 and I'm like, yo, if I talk at that level, 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:25.679 like people people turn expecting a man. 1:46:26.320 --> 1:46:30.240 Right and to treat And then this is an actual 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:34.080 thirty Europe joke with that I'm a very sexy baby. Yeah, 1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:37.559 the manipulation through No, it's just I mean, I'm a 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:39.400 fucking white guy, like what a wife fucking though. But 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:41.240 it's like the reason I also is like is this 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:43.080 a commonplace thing in the white place of woman. 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:45.240 I'm like, I don't think it's a commonplace. I don't 1:46:45.240 --> 1:46:47.479 think the voice thing. I don't think speaking in a 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:50.479 low voice or like a higher voice, even higher voices 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:52.519 all the time. Like if you start listening to it, 1:46:52.560 --> 1:46:55.720 if there's so many, do you hear it's like, yeah, 1:46:55.760 --> 1:46:56.880 weird phony baby voices. 1:46:59.400 --> 1:46:59.680 I don't. 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:03.439 I that the idea that a woman like artificially lowers 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:06.559 her voice like Elizabeth Holmes did, that's a low is 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:09.679 very uncommon totally. And her voice sounds insane, Like I 1:47:09.840 --> 1:47:13.280 don't dismiss that she sounds batshit, But it's also like 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:14.599 what we. 1:47:15.360 --> 1:47:15.960 It's the. 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:21.000 Thing that drives me nuts, is like that we it 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:26.000 we will uh, we will find fault in however, a 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:28.800 woman pays sense right and that when she drives to 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:34.360 then model after a male presentation in some way, then 1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:35.479 we're like, well, that's wrong. 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:38.880 But it really was. What really frustrates me is you 1:47:38.880 --> 1:47:40.799 get a lot of people who will point out laughingly 1:47:40.960 --> 1:47:43.000 she was clearly trying to imitate Steve Jobs and the 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:45.080 way that she dressed, with the turnal like and point 1:47:45.120 --> 1:47:46.840 out like how and how like the style of her 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:51.880 presentations and what doesn't get brought up much like nearly 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.120 as often in part because people don't like to think 1:47:54.160 --> 1:47:58.679 of jobs or other like heroic figures like tech founder figures. 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:00.240 This way is the one of the other way she 1:48:00.280 --> 1:48:00.680 aped him. 1:48:00.720 --> 1:48:03.559 His jobs was very famous, not so much at the 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:06.599 big public announcement level, but like when he was talking 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:12.080 to investors, when he was putting together ideas with vastly 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:15.840 over promising right, and part of what he did was 1:48:15.920 --> 1:48:18.559 be incredibly anal retentive about like when a product was 1:48:18.600 --> 1:48:21.160 actually ready. But he had these like very specific, often 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:23.719 pie in the sky demands for what this thing needed 1:48:23.720 --> 1:48:25.280 to do, how it needed to look, how it needed 1:48:25.280 --> 1:48:28.120 to feel that he would promise could be done before 1:48:28.160 --> 1:48:30.240 they knew that they could do it, and he hired 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:32.559 good people and Apple was able to square those circles 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:35.480 Apple was able to produce. But there is a similarity 1:48:35.560 --> 1:48:37.960 with because her attitude was very much similar, which is 1:48:38.040 --> 1:48:39.720 what I need to do is make the promise, and 1:48:39.800 --> 1:48:42.439 I need to esthetically make the case of how this 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:44.720 is going to look and feel and what it can do. 1:48:45.200 --> 1:48:47.559 And as long as we can get enough money doing that, 1:48:47.640 --> 1:48:50.320 we can brute force the having a real product thing. 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:53.759 And it's not exactly the same thing, but it's close enough. 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:57.000 Because almost every founder at some point relies on I 1:48:57.040 --> 1:49:00.640 don't fully know that what I can do meaches what 1:49:00.800 --> 1:49:02.760 meets what I am selling to the people who are 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:06.280 investing money, and I don't fully know that the product 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:09.000 that I am promising them I'm really going to be 1:49:09.080 --> 1:49:12.120 able to deliver, especially for the costs that I'm promising them, 1:49:12.160 --> 1:49:17.960 and that fundamental reality of how all this works. They 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:22.000 gets obscured a lot because it's not It makes it. 1:49:22.000 --> 1:49:24.439 It makes it sound like gambling, and in a lot 1:49:24.479 --> 1:49:25.280 of ways it very much is. 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:27.360 I mean, what's the difference. I mean, there is a 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:29.519 difference in that theirnise did not exist. But what you 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:34.600 just described is large language models like it literally is it. 1:49:34.600 --> 1:49:37.439 It's look this thing fucking sucks and it doesn't do 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:39.920 what you want it to. But what if we spent 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:43.720 more money than anything that's spent ever, ever, forever. What 1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:47.360 if it became something completely different and people will try 1:49:47.360 --> 1:49:50.719 and differentiate because Okay, the first step with Theronise is bullshit. 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:52.639 They just sent it the lab Corp. They didn't even 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:56.760 have the beginning steps. That fucking sucks. But Samulman does 1:49:56.760 --> 1:49:59.880 not have the first steps to agi fucking warry, I 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:03.000 Amma Day doesn't have the first steps to a fucking 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.879 shit in a hole in the ground like they're all doing. 1:50:06.520 --> 1:50:09.840 Only a few steps from thernos, and they will be 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:13.679 colored very differently that they were just innovators risking. If 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:17.080 you end up writing that when this ship pops, you're 1:50:17.120 --> 1:50:20.240 a mark in the same way that every single person 1:50:20.280 --> 1:50:23.800 who covered Therhnose was because it's the same shite. 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:24.200 There was. 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:29.080 There was a real good reporter at the journal that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:32.280 Several years after all the major articles came out. John 1:50:32.320 --> 1:50:36.200 Carrier was several year twenty fifteen, I think that came out. 1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:40.000 There were Theronose articles for years, and there was several 1:50:40.040 --> 1:50:44.080 blogs before Carrier rou that were like, hey, I looked 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:47.040 at the science. None of this made sense. It seem 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:49.800 like it can work. Yeah, and carrier Row did and 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:52.280 typically he did incredible reporting, a really great job. But 1:50:52.320 --> 1:50:56.320 it's like there were very few people who did. And 1:50:56.400 --> 1:51:00.000 I think it's I think when Sam Mortman gets crucified 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:05.120 as I expect Evangelian style, it's not going to be 1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:07.960 the same way, and it will. I think everyone needs 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:10.479 to pre prepare for if you want to frame this 1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:13.120 as the innovator is dilemma. Oh, you know, just he 1:51:13.240 --> 1:51:15.960 was just trying something that is not a fair way 1:51:16.000 --> 1:51:18.360 to look at it because there was never a guidance 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:21.960 point from that wherever agi bullshit happens. 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:25.639 It's also fundamentally really bad for innovation. Like the big 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:29.760 frustrations for me today was walking past probably a cumulative 1:51:29.800 --> 1:51:33.680 acre or two of different home robots. This is a 1:51:33.760 --> 1:51:36.400 robot servant. This is a humanoid robot that you can 1:51:36.640 --> 1:51:38.880 have due tasks for you. You can haven't watched your kids, 1:51:38.920 --> 1:51:40.920 you can have it. Take watch take your pets out. 1:51:41.240 --> 1:51:41.479 You know. 1:51:41.680 --> 1:51:44.360 Here we've got one and we've got a robot dinosaur 1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:46.920 and they're trying to get passed each watch him. Yeah, 1:51:46.960 --> 1:51:48.800 I was kind of like yeah, there's some of it's cute, 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:50.439 some of it's There were a lot of like humanoid 1:51:50.520 --> 1:51:54.240 robots that were like like awkwardly strung up like they 1:51:54.280 --> 1:51:56.439 were on a gibbet to keep them standing, because like 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.760 when they were either they couldn't they'd broken, or they 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.000 would stay up on their own power. Like I wasn't 1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:04.719 sure exactly what was happening there. But in the middle 1:52:04.720 --> 1:52:06.880 of all that, I come up, like after like an 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:08.720 acre or two of this stuff, I come across a 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:12.200 little booth where it's like two guys at like a desk, 1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:16.120 maybe two desks, and they've got just like a couple 1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:19.960 of like stringy looking little like fabric tubes hanging and 1:52:20.000 --> 1:52:21.799 then a couple of little like gizmo's on the table. 1:52:22.200 --> 1:52:24.040 And I go up and I ask, like what it is. 1:52:24.120 --> 1:52:28.160 And it's a photonic muscle, is what they're calling it. 1:52:28.240 --> 1:52:31.280 And the way it works is I'm pulling up the 1:52:31.360 --> 1:52:34.000 picture right here. Ara a Flex is the company, and 1:52:34.360 --> 1:52:37.080 it's a photonic muscle. And you have these little bundles 1:52:37.520 --> 1:52:40.559 that look kind of like this, and each of these 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:43.320 bundles has an led light in it, and there's like 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:45.920 a kind of fiber or something inside it, and when 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:49.439 the light turns on, it causes that that fiber to 1:52:49.600 --> 1:52:53.200 contract in a way that mimics a motor or functions 1:52:53.200 --> 1:52:55.599 the same way as a motor, and so you can 1:52:55.680 --> 1:52:58.720 put them in devices. And the example they had was 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:02.080 there this this device that's like a I think, like 1:53:02.120 --> 1:53:05.360 you call like an intake thing on like a car 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:08.200 right where you need these little flaps to open, and 1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:11.080 the flaps open and close by the use of these 1:53:11.160 --> 1:53:14.240 and they take up like half as much space as 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:16.640 a motor would take because instead of a motor you 1:53:16.680 --> 1:53:19.519 have these little like synthetic photonic muscles that are much lighter, 1:53:19.880 --> 1:53:22.400 much less space, fewer moving parts. 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:24.360 It's the chance to see stuff like that, which is 1:53:24.360 --> 1:53:26.080 why I keep coming back, and yet I miss this 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:28.400 company because there's a lot to take in. 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.240 There, and you you have to walk past again. All 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:33.360 these these companies that have put how many god knows 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:36.559 how many hundreds of millions of dollars into humanoid robots, most 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:39.840 of which never have a chance really of establishing themselves, 1:53:40.240 --> 1:53:44.000 and very like basically none that I saw outside of 1:53:44.040 --> 1:53:46.920 like the ones meant for specific manufacturing uses, seemed like 1:53:46.960 --> 1:53:51.000 they had a creative or intellectually interesting reason or solved 1:53:51.000 --> 1:53:55.040 a problem, and that so vastly outnumbers and funding and attention. 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:58.200 They like somebody made a muscle with light. That's kind 1:53:58.240 --> 1:53:59.439 of that's kind of sweet. 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.600 The problem is is like the idea a robot that 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:05.639 does one thing is not what people expect from a robot. 1:54:05.680 --> 1:54:07.840 Everyone wants to have one robot that is just a 1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:11.200 person a slave. Just let's just let's just cut straight 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:11.360 to it. 1:54:11.680 --> 1:54:15.120 LG's whole saleswitch was the zero Labor Home, which I 1:54:15.160 --> 1:54:17.080 mean like big if true, right. 1:54:17.000 --> 1:54:20.120 Yeah, yeah, but it's from some lave. 1:54:20.200 --> 1:54:21.440 Didn't you see the Cloyd. 1:54:22.160 --> 1:54:25.280 Yeah he's uh your keys willing servant. 1:54:25.360 --> 1:54:27.040 Yeah, but he's pretty fruit. 1:54:27.240 --> 1:54:30.439 It's demented that it is what people want. 1:54:30.720 --> 1:54:34.560 Yeah, it's a slave. It's you either want a completely 1:54:34.600 --> 1:54:38.200 faceless machine. And I'm sure I want to make. 1:54:38.080 --> 1:54:41.240 Sure is the is the black guy, Like come on, 1:54:47.960 --> 1:54:49.480 that's the guy. 1:54:49.640 --> 1:54:50.400 You know you can't see. 1:54:50.400 --> 1:54:52.920 But I got some hotel rings on, so I know 1:54:53.040 --> 1:54:54.120 something about slaves. 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:56.760 I know something, you. 1:54:56.720 --> 1:54:59.760 Know in my newsletter I wrote it, there's this essay 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:03.800 a that was talking about how the roots of automation 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.680 are go back to slavery, right, so part of the 1:55:07.920 --> 1:55:11.840 part of the the thing that developed the impetus for 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:14.839 automation is that, you know, you had the abolition of slavery, 1:55:14.840 --> 1:55:16.640 and you had the British Empire being like, oh my 1:55:16.800 --> 1:55:18.880 fucking god, how are we going to keep you know, 1:55:18.920 --> 1:55:22.200 plantations are incredibly profitable. How are we going to keep 1:55:22.240 --> 1:55:25.200 these sort of profits because they're also integral to our 1:55:25.200 --> 1:55:28.080 empire and like for funding our navies and fielding our armies. 1:55:28.440 --> 1:55:30.200 And so the idea was like, okay, well, you have 1:55:30.240 --> 1:55:34.680 to make the factory resemble a plantation as much as possible. 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:36.400 And I think most people when they think of plantations, 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:39.320 they think like, okay, you know it's outside, disorganize a 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:41.280 little bit, you have an overseer. But they were like 1:55:41.440 --> 1:55:44.720 very highly regimented, and they developed very specific methods of 1:55:44.760 --> 1:55:48.160 extracting and terrorize as much labor as possible and terrorizing people. 1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:51.520 And so the automation that was developed by this guy, 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:54.200 Charles Babbage was like an attempt to do early divisions 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:56.200 of labor and create machines that would be able to 1:55:56.800 --> 1:55:59.720 you know, self surveil workers or workers would be able 1:55:59.720 --> 1:56:02.080 to help avail themselves or quantify their work or divide 1:56:02.080 --> 1:56:06.120 it into pieces like some of the very foundational theories 1:56:06.120 --> 1:56:10.760 of how labor should be organized going into okay, well, 1:56:10.760 --> 1:56:15.000 how do we get a non human along a division 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:19.000 of labor where we're separating as much work as possible 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:24.560 to discrete repeatable, substitutable parts, you know, which we already 1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:28.480 designed to resemble slavery? How do we get that in 1:56:28.600 --> 1:56:31.160 this like embodied thing that is also just happens to 1:56:31.160 --> 1:56:33.920 look like a person without a face, that's we want 1:56:33.920 --> 1:56:34.560 everywhere in the house. 1:56:34.560 --> 1:56:34.920 So I don't know. 1:56:34.920 --> 1:56:37.960 I feel like the heart and the soul of it 1:56:38.000 --> 1:56:40.720 does link back to it, and it goes back even further, right, 1:56:40.760 --> 1:56:43.040 But I think then also the other question is like 1:56:43.040 --> 1:56:45.600 how much do you think this is also colored by 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:49.440 experiences maybe some of these people have where you know, 1:56:49.800 --> 1:56:52.240 they're they're like, yeah, why shouldn't I, you know, why 1:56:52.280 --> 1:56:56.040 shouldn't I have a person or a thing in my house? 1:56:56.080 --> 1:56:57.760 And how can I convince other people to do it? 1:56:57.840 --> 1:56:59.960 If only by having a robot do it? 1:57:00.840 --> 1:57:02.680 And I think that there's well, there's two parts of that. 1:57:02.760 --> 1:57:05.240 It's one they might have hired help and they're like, well, 1:57:05.280 --> 1:57:07.840 I have to pay some fucking piece of shit human 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:11.120 Jesus Corst. But also there is I feel like there's 1:57:11.120 --> 1:57:13.680 a division in automation with some people where there's some 1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:15.800 people where it's like I see this asn't as a 1:57:15.920 --> 1:57:19.280 kind of as like an amplification of who I am, 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:21.320 like like an extra arm, like an arm that moves 1:57:21.360 --> 1:57:23.200 one thing to one thing, which is not a thing 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:25.560 I command, But it's just a thingy that does an 1:57:25.600 --> 1:57:28.440 action that's not a sexy thing you can raise funding on. 1:57:28.520 --> 1:57:30.120 You can't be like I got an arm that moves 1:57:30.120 --> 1:57:32.839 the thing from a thing, which is most industrial machinery. 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:35.960 It's just like repeating one task again and again and again. 1:57:36.120 --> 1:57:38.800 The reason that replaces humans is that's a repetitive action. 1:57:38.840 --> 1:57:40.839 It fucks up humans. But it's not about the subjugation 1:57:40.880 --> 1:57:44.360 of a person. It's an action. It's not about controlling someone. 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:47.080 It's about making a thingy happen. Then there are the 1:57:47.080 --> 1:57:49.080 people who are like, wouldn't it be awesome if every 1:57:49.200 --> 1:57:52.160 fucking whim I had was perfectly solved and I could 1:57:52.400 --> 1:57:55.240 order someone to quote Adam kind of a fear say, 1:57:55.440 --> 1:57:58.440 don't know the way I like it, And it's this 1:57:58.600 --> 1:58:01.640 idea of this bought yesterday. Oh we can do the 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:06.520 TikTok daunce. Why do you want someone to dance for you? 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:09.800 That's a fucking peculiar instinct. 1:58:10.280 --> 1:58:13.480 Part of what's so difficult, though, is that these are 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:16.400 it's it's a version of the same problem that you 1:58:16.520 --> 1:58:20.720 have with a lot of like genetics and like fertility 1:58:20.920 --> 1:58:24.960 and technology. Right, where do you want to make sure 1:58:25.160 --> 1:58:27.000 if you can find out in the womb that a 1:58:27.080 --> 1:58:29.080 child's going to be born with its lungs outside its 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:31.080 body and you can just kind of snip that out 1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:34.240 so the lungs are inside the body, do we want that? 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:36.280 Everyone's pretty much like, oh, yeah, that's probably good if 1:58:36.320 --> 1:58:38.960 kids have lungs. Yeah, do you want to be able 1:58:39.000 --> 1:58:43.240 to tell if someone has autism and snip that whoa 1:58:43.240 --> 1:58:47.360 suddenly suddenly or any of the other horrible eugenics questions? Right, 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:49.800 So everyone's like, yeah, there's certain things we want to 1:58:49.800 --> 1:58:52.920 be able to do with genetics technology. But if you 1:58:53.000 --> 1:58:56.200 say this is okay, all people are going to start 1:58:56.240 --> 1:58:58.640 immediately pushing for all and like drawing a line is 1:58:58.880 --> 1:59:01.600 something that like the fact that you're drawing a line, 1:59:01.640 --> 1:59:03.680 it means there's going to be strong lobbies of people 1:59:03.720 --> 1:59:08.560 pushing for stuff that is really bad, right, And with automation, 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:11.320 everyone's like, like, I saw a product today that's one 1:59:11.320 --> 1:59:13.080 of a I've seen a couple like this where it's 1:59:13.120 --> 1:59:16.680 a big basically like a big cart on wheels that 1:59:16.720 --> 1:59:20.080 can go off road and can be fully autonomous and 1:59:20.120 --> 1:59:22.960 you can set here's where wounded guys are gonna be, 1:59:23.200 --> 1:59:26.200 here's where the hospital is, drive up to the front line, 1:59:26.400 --> 1:59:28.920 people throw a wounded guy in, drive to the to 1:59:28.960 --> 1:59:32.520 the medical good. Right, And you don't necessarily like it's 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:34.840 better if a robot does that, because people can get 1:59:34.920 --> 1:59:37.800 blowed up, right if you can have and so. And 1:59:37.840 --> 1:59:40.560 there's also like, obviously I'm sure we all have individual 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:42.400 pain in the ass tasks that were like, well, yeah, 1:59:42.400 --> 1:59:44.400 I'm I finally have a robot washes my dishes. Like 1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:47.880 but once you once you're saying, well, we do want 1:59:47.920 --> 1:59:51.640 to automate some stuff, you're having then a conversation where 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:55.480 is the line? And right now everything's on the table, 1:59:55.560 --> 1:59:59.400 including like the creation of like art and beauty and 1:59:59.440 --> 2:00:00.960 the raising the children. 2:00:00.640 --> 2:00:03.560 The stuff when we're not working basic cognition. 2:00:04.080 --> 2:00:06.840 And that's the fact. But you can't if you're going 2:00:06.880 --> 2:00:09.080 to talk about some of it. All of it's going 2:00:09.120 --> 2:00:10.440 to be on the table at some point, and right 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:10.880 now it is. 2:00:11.200 --> 2:00:12.640 Yeah, I think that's what's the other thing right where 2:00:12.640 --> 2:00:15.920 it's like, you know, to your point, there's automation that 2:00:17.120 --> 2:00:21.320 saves you labor and enhances productivity around the home, you know, 2:00:21.400 --> 2:00:25.280 and around certain workplaces that reduces the drudgery of tasks 2:00:25.320 --> 2:00:28.640 we have to do. And then there's automation that is 2:00:28.680 --> 2:00:31.200 deployed in a way to squeeze as much as possible 2:00:31.240 --> 2:00:36.600 out of people beyond what they might in of themselves 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:39.560 want to do if they had control over to what 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:42.360 degree am I going to augment my workplace or myself 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:43.040 with this stuff? 2:00:43.120 --> 2:00:43.320 Right? 2:00:43.640 --> 2:00:45.720 And I think that ends up also being the line 2:00:45.760 --> 2:00:47.760 with a lot of these technologies where it's like, you know, 2:00:47.800 --> 2:00:50.800 how if we were designing genetic technologies, if we were 2:00:50.840 --> 2:00:57.520 designing you know, assistive automation or assistive artificial intelligences and 2:00:57.600 --> 2:01:00.360 grafting them onto our lives, I feel like the points 2:01:00.360 --> 2:01:01.880 in which we would let them and not let them 2:01:01.920 --> 2:01:04.960 look different than what your concerns and interests are. If 2:01:05.000 --> 2:01:07.520 you're like, Okay, well I'm looking to get a return 2:01:08.160 --> 2:01:11.040 or I'm looking to organize the workplace in a certain way, 2:01:11.600 --> 2:01:15.040 or I'm looking to just meet a very specific need 2:01:15.160 --> 2:01:17.919 and this or that context right in a battlefield and hospital, 2:01:19.320 --> 2:01:22.680 you know, in a public space. So I think so 2:01:22.720 --> 2:01:25.320 I you know, part of this is, like you know, downstream, 2:01:25.320 --> 2:01:27.560 the consequence of the fact I feel like we're almost 2:01:27.600 --> 2:01:31.400 all technical decisions have nothing to do with what anyone 2:01:31.440 --> 2:01:33.320 other than these private investors. 2:01:34.000 --> 2:01:36.720 I mean a thought that I have had this whole 2:01:37.320 --> 2:01:42.280 last few days is what does it mean to be 2:01:42.560 --> 2:01:47.360 optimized or to have your life optimized? What is the 2:01:47.400 --> 2:01:52.280 actual outcome of that? What are we optimizing for? And 2:01:52.360 --> 2:01:55.480 if the optimization is we're going to remove all of 2:01:55.480 --> 2:01:58.520 the annoying tasks so you can enjoy life, that sounds 2:01:58.560 --> 2:02:01.440 like an awesome answer, I can totally get behind on 2:02:01.480 --> 2:02:04.120 the ground that's not that doesn't seem to be what 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:05.760 any of the products Like. 2:02:05.840 --> 2:02:08.040 I was just thinking of something very simple, which just 2:02:08.080 --> 2:02:11.120 like I'm lucky to live a really good life. And 2:02:11.160 --> 2:02:13.760 the reason I ken is I have a I have 2:02:13.840 --> 2:02:16.840 a washing machine and a dryer that works really well, 2:02:16.840 --> 2:02:23.240 and I have a good dishwasher. Like it's like yeah, 2:02:23.520 --> 2:02:27.160 like it's like the shit that sucks, isn't it? Like 2:02:27.200 --> 2:02:29.200 I can afford to use uber I can get around 2:02:29.280 --> 2:02:32.360 like a fifty dollars dishwasher that's really good, feels like 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:34.880 it would be more innovative than anything on this floor, 2:02:34.920 --> 2:02:38.280 because most people can't afford to have a good one. 2:02:38.480 --> 2:02:40.960 Like the things that get in the way of existing 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:45.080 are labor, as in having to do your horrible fucking 2:02:45.160 --> 2:02:48.040 job that doesn't pay you enough, or the shitty like 2:02:48.320 --> 2:02:50.560 how the fuck do you look after the children you have? 2:02:50.680 --> 2:02:53.120 They aren't really there's not really tech. You can't buy 2:02:53.200 --> 2:02:57.200 more time unless you have actual labor help, yeah, which 2:02:57.240 --> 2:03:01.280 requires more money, and you can't really replace that with 2:03:01.360 --> 2:03:04.160 a robot because the reason they need an every man 2:03:04.240 --> 2:03:09.480 robot is because problems are complex. The problems of even 2:03:09.520 --> 2:03:11.000 dishes are complex. 2:03:10.680 --> 2:03:13.160 And decision making is exactly you. 2:03:13.080 --> 2:03:15.600 Know what that is exactly it. It's like, it's not the 2:03:15.720 --> 2:03:18.800 problems themselves, it's the decisions around them, I mean. 2:03:18.800 --> 2:03:22.280 And that's why the most responsible technologies at cees stick 2:03:22.320 --> 2:03:25.760 to doing the things where there's no real downside if 2:03:25.800 --> 2:03:29.320 it's not too perfectly like raising children, which I saw 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:34.400 a really good child companion robe today, which I look 2:03:34.440 --> 2:03:36.839 for at every one of these I love. 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:41.680 But yes, oh I wasn't sure where you going back? 2:03:41.960 --> 2:03:45.080 No, there, So there was a really good one that 2:03:45.440 --> 2:03:47.880 it's one of my favorite CS categories where it's like 2:03:47.960 --> 2:03:51.120 Southeast Asian tech company marketing to Americans that doesn't fully 2:03:51.240 --> 2:03:55.280 understand our culture. And so the they have like a 2:03:55.320 --> 2:03:57.520 whole they have a set of bleachers erected and like 2:03:57.640 --> 2:04:00.960 fifty of these like little robot dolls sitting in them. 2:04:00.960 --> 2:04:03.880 I'll show you, guys, but they're like they're all wearing 2:04:04.000 --> 2:04:10.360 like sleeveless shirts and yeah, yeah, they're all wearing sleeveless 2:04:10.360 --> 2:04:13.600 shirts and like little beanie hats basically like that have 2:04:13.720 --> 2:04:15.600 the name of the robot on it, which is. 2:04:16.280 --> 2:04:19.480 Booster or is it Booster? Yeah, it's Booster. 2:04:20.360 --> 2:04:22.120 But then in front they had one robot that was 2:04:22.160 --> 2:04:24.440 dressed differently and I didn't realize at first it looked 2:04:24.440 --> 2:04:26.120 like it had like a suit and a black hat on. 2:04:26.240 --> 2:04:29.280 And then the video starts playing and I realize that 2:04:29.320 --> 2:04:32.720 fucking robot is Michael Jackson and it's dancing to Billy 2:04:32.840 --> 2:04:35.760 Jean alongside what I believe is a kid. 2:04:35.840 --> 2:04:39.200 I know exactly, and it was well that did happen? 2:04:39.280 --> 2:04:42.080 Could not get across of them, Hey, guys, maybe Michael 2:04:42.120 --> 2:04:45.280 Jackson is not the best robot mascot for a children's toy. 2:04:48.360 --> 2:04:52.200 But immediately what I got to show you, guys, and 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:53.360 this is what I was telling you. 2:04:53.520 --> 2:04:54.400 We might cut this in. 2:04:54.600 --> 2:04:58.000 We might justly I want the reaction. This is what 2:04:58.120 --> 2:05:02.800 happens in that video immediately after it's the robots dance, 2:05:04.600 --> 2:05:05.960 So this is right after Billy Jean. 2:05:14.960 --> 2:05:16.879 That is identical to the way. 2:05:21.440 --> 2:05:21.920 So weird. 2:05:22.680 --> 2:05:26.720 What happens in that video, the instant that finishes doing 2:05:26.760 --> 2:05:31.120 a like dancing to Billy Jean while like moonwalking, there's 2:05:31.600 --> 2:05:34.240 immediately a man runs into another version of the robot 2:05:34.280 --> 2:05:37.240 and starts beating it with a wooden stick, which then 2:05:37.280 --> 2:05:40.280 switches to a guy putting cinder blocks on top of 2:05:40.320 --> 2:05:43.400 it and smashing it with a fucking mallet. And then 2:05:43.440 --> 2:05:45.480 right after that dude comes in with a liquor bottle 2:05:45.680 --> 2:05:48.120 and shatters it over the robot's head. 2:05:48.840 --> 2:05:53.400 If you are protecting your children from the homeless from the. 2:05:53.400 --> 2:05:56.480 Robots, like, what else does that saying? I let the 2:05:56.560 --> 2:05:57.720 robot stands up after you. 2:05:58.880 --> 2:06:02.200 You can't do it, you can't. I love that because 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:04.640 it looked almost identical to those things. I don't know 2:06:04.680 --> 2:06:08.240 if you remember the modeling experiment, like the regularly disproved 2:06:08.240 --> 2:06:10.320 thing about how children will copy anything, and it's just 2:06:10.400 --> 2:06:13.920 children hitting a clown with a stick and it looked identical. 2:06:14.200 --> 2:06:18.000 It's the same fucking thing that c Yes, baby, just 2:06:18.040 --> 2:06:21.040 like I want to be in the room. When they 2:06:21.040 --> 2:06:23.640 were recording that, it's like, hit it again, hit it again, 2:06:24.360 --> 2:06:26.960 get a liquor, get a liquor bottle, fuck it up. 2:06:27.440 --> 2:06:28.160 It was unclear. 2:06:28.160 --> 2:06:29.000 I'll do that for free. 2:06:29.120 --> 2:06:31.080 What the selling point? Because it goes from it can 2:06:31.160 --> 2:06:33.920 dance like Michael Jackson. You can beat the shit out 2:06:33.960 --> 2:06:36.760 of it and it's fine. It'll walk with your little 2:06:36.760 --> 2:06:42.919 girl and help her learn languages. It's like quizzing herd. 2:06:43.840 --> 2:06:44.480 Why is that? 2:06:44.600 --> 2:06:46.920 And I kind of think maybe they just sort of 2:06:46.960 --> 2:06:50.040 incompetently realize something that is a brilliant idea, which is 2:06:50.400 --> 2:06:52.520 if you if you mark it and build a robot 2:06:52.680 --> 2:06:55.480 entirely on terminator to logic, yell, you just show that 2:06:55.520 --> 2:06:58.480 this robot can't be killed. It's loyal to your child, 2:06:58.800 --> 2:07:01.480 it'll never get drunk in hit them, It'll never not 2:07:01.640 --> 2:07:04.200 come home after staying out late at the bar at night. 2:07:04.240 --> 2:07:06.640 You know, like the whole state, the whole Sarah Connor 2:07:06.720 --> 2:07:08.040 speech from T two. 2:07:10.680 --> 2:07:12.960 For you note, I did not see any robots built 2:07:12.960 --> 2:07:15.960 out of liquid metal, but I mean I missed some 2:07:16.040 --> 2:07:19.160 corners of the vation expos so maybe that's a south. 2:07:20.000 --> 2:07:22.200 I want the AI bubble burst will get to what 2:07:22.240 --> 2:07:24.800 we really need to get to, which is building terminators. 2:07:25.360 --> 2:07:28.880 All right, as we approach the end of this, Chloe Radcliffe, 2:07:29.280 --> 2:07:30.840 what do you think of cees. 2:07:30.720 --> 2:07:37.160 Just it's I mean, truly, I go back to numbers 2:07:37.200 --> 2:07:41.680 you don't need. Yeah, I go back to so what 2:07:41.720 --> 2:07:45.160 does that? Do you know? What's funny? Or so who 2:07:45.160 --> 2:07:51.120 gives a shit? It's it's so unnerving to think about 2:07:51.360 --> 2:07:56.960 how how much of our society feels like there's no money, yeah, 2:07:56.960 --> 2:07:59.680 and then to come to a place where there is 2:07:59.720 --> 2:08:00.760 all the money. 2:08:01.040 --> 2:08:01.920 Yeah. 2:08:01.960 --> 2:08:04.600 And it's that that I think is distributing to. 2:08:04.560 --> 2:08:05.879 An AI industry conference. 2:08:06.120 --> 2:08:09.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah totally. And And like I work in entertainment, 2:08:10.040 --> 2:08:13.320 and such a common refrain in entertainment is like, ah, 2:08:13.360 --> 2:08:15.200 we just don't have the budgets to do that anymore. 2:08:15.360 --> 2:08:16.760 We used to have those kind of budgets and we 2:08:16.800 --> 2:08:20.760 don't anymore. And I'm like, there is money fucking slashing around, 2:08:21.320 --> 2:08:24.520 hitting the sides, coming out people's noses, like there is 2:08:24.680 --> 2:08:30.040 so much money and it's infuriating to me that you know, 2:08:30.160 --> 2:08:32.160 I'm taking a very narrow view right now. 2:08:32.720 --> 2:08:35.960 I actually push back, You're not, You're taking a very. 2:08:35.840 --> 2:08:38.680 Reasonable but here here the narrow, the narrow part of 2:08:38.680 --> 2:08:40.640 the view is like I'm putting aside the fact that 2:08:40.680 --> 2:08:44.040 it's infuriating that people are living very difficult lives amidst 2:08:44.080 --> 2:08:46.480 all this money floating around. But but like even I'm 2:08:46.560 --> 2:08:48.400 just thinking about my job. You know, it's like in 2:08:48.440 --> 2:08:52.520 the entertainment industry, the fact that there is relatively little money, 2:08:52.520 --> 2:08:54.600 that money is tight, and I'm like, it's not. It's 2:08:54.720 --> 2:08:57.560 also it's it's especially relevant. Sorry. And then a second, 2:08:57.640 --> 2:09:02.040 it's especially pertinent in entertainment because so much of entertainment 2:09:02.200 --> 2:09:06.280 is now owned by the thing that owned the tech 2:09:06.920 --> 2:09:09.440 where all the money lives. And so I'm like, what 2:09:09.480 --> 2:09:12.280 the fuck do you mean there's no money in entertainment? 2:09:12.480 --> 2:09:12.640 Do you? 2:09:12.720 --> 2:09:16.320 You couldn't be more right, because like number one, like 2:09:16.360 --> 2:09:19.600 the other thing is that it's entertainment makes as much 2:09:19.640 --> 2:09:22.480 money as ever, it's not no longer making money. But 2:09:22.800 --> 2:09:25.600 like you said, the companies that now own all of 2:09:25.600 --> 2:09:28.400 these fucking are taking those profits and they're currently pouring 2:09:28.400 --> 2:09:30.440 them into the ship that you're seeing on the broken 2:09:30.440 --> 2:09:31.480 shit on the floor here. 2:09:31.560 --> 2:09:34.400 Yeah, and when all of this is dead and bleeding 2:09:34.400 --> 2:09:37.600 on the floor, you're gonna give it to Chloe Radcliffe. 2:09:37.680 --> 2:09:39.760 Yeah that's right. 2:09:39.920 --> 2:09:41.760 We're gonna wrap here. And I just want to say, 2:09:41.800 --> 2:09:44.560 on behalf of all the listeners and myself, thank you, Chloe, 2:09:44.640 --> 2:09:46.640 thank you for joining It be honor. I've had a 2:09:47.080 --> 2:09:50.880 hard join us next year. Yeah, it's been a genuine 2:09:50.880 --> 2:09:52.320 pleasure to have you. 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