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Speaker 2: Consumer Electronics Show. We are as we have been all
Speaker 2: week here in the beautiful Palazza Hotel in beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada,
Speaker 2: bringing you yet another episode covering CS with the crazy
Speaker 2: assortment of guests from the tech industry. We've got an
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Speaker 2: members of the media, whether they join us on the
Speaker 2: microphone or not. This is our second episode of the day.
Speaker 2: It's Thursday, and we've got two more on Friday and
Speaker 2: an epilogue on Saturday. Then they're going to roll me
Speaker 2: into one of the aqueducts here and flush me into
Speaker 2: the sewer. But before they do that, it's time to
Speaker 2: introduce the latest contestants on the CES Challenge. Joining me
Speaker 2: as ever as stand up comedian and star of it
Speaker 2: is this thing on Chloe Radcliffe. No, no, not any more,
Speaker 2: No not unfortunately, no.
Speaker 1: Very fortunately it can still here. You can't get rid of.
Speaker 2: Me, and we will not be and of course it
Speaker 2: could happen. Here's Garrison Davis. Hello, good morning, and take
Speaker 2: writer Rob Pegoraro joining us once again.
Speaker 3: It's good to be back.
Speaker 2: It sure is good to have you. Lovely to see you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, what have you been up to?
Speaker 2: What have you seen today?
Speaker 3: I've been at LVCC all day. What did you LVCC?
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, are you realized? I said good morning
Speaker 4: because the Cees time distortions turned to kick in. Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, well you were in like Tokyo a week ago,
Speaker 2: so your time is.
Speaker 4: Well the best best is an interesting word. The most
Speaker 4: interesting thing I saw today is I happened to arrive
Speaker 4: at the LG booth right as their Home Assistant Robot
Speaker 4: demo stored for the first time.
Speaker 3: Cloyd Lloyd cloydge.
Speaker 4: So I got to see that that in action right
Speaker 4: for their for their first demo.
Speaker 2: Walk me through the action part of this action, Like,
Speaker 2: how was the action?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe more proper to say I got to
Speaker 1: see Cloyd in Oh it was.
Speaker 3: It was action.
Speaker 4: It was breathtaking because it's going to change so many
Speaker 4: people's lives. How so, so they gave us three different scenarios.
Speaker 4: One is you have this clumsy dad who always forgets
Speaker 4: his keys, and the robot is able to find the keys,
Speaker 4: then put them somewhere else, which is an interesting solution
Speaker 4: to the problem of losing your keys because it was
Speaker 4: a frame them. So this this this clumsy father of
Speaker 4: too put left his keys on the couch. Then the
Speaker 4: robot walks in from the couch and grabs him from
Speaker 4: the couch and moves him to a different location in
Speaker 4: the house, which seems like a ma she that just
Speaker 4: makes you lose your keys.
Speaker 2: The jesta ai, I am here to add chaos to
Speaker 2: you alive.
Speaker 4: So it was frame is losing your keys, but it's
Speaker 4: just the robot moving keys around.
Speaker 2: Right? What was what speed did it do this? Would
Speaker 2: you say? Uh, just like real slight. It's very slow.
Speaker 4: Its second segment was like a rich single guy who
Speaker 4: doesn't have anyone living with him, who has this robot
Speaker 4: as a quote unquote roommate, and the roommate mostly does laundry.
Speaker 4: And I watched this robot sped I kid you, not
Speaker 4: ninety seconds putting a single shirt in the washing machine
Speaker 4: and then also spent I would say, about two minutes
Speaker 4: attempting to fold a towel. How did you do again,
Speaker 4: I use the word attempt it. Yeah, it got about
Speaker 4: half the towel folded. After two minutes and then was
Speaker 4: directed towards the next part of the demo, so it
Speaker 4: could not finish the folding a single towel task. I'm
Speaker 4: sure if you give it five minutes, it could fold
Speaker 4: a towel.
Speaker 1: And that's actually a high amount of confidence based on
Speaker 1: everything you described.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we trained it entirely on Stona Dato.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it moves like someone who's headweight too much weed.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then by the time the time the third demo started,
Speaker 4: I had I had to go.
Speaker 2: I had enough.
Speaker 4: But it was like a medal age woman who's whose
Speaker 4: robot was like trying to get her to like work
Speaker 4: out more.
Speaker 2: I saw that one and I mentioned earlier it was
Speaker 2: like here you go and it's got like one pound
Speaker 2: weights and she goes, thanks Cloyd. If you didn't give
Speaker 2: me this, I wouldn't even move.
Speaker 4: The most the most interesting part of the demo was
Speaker 4: and like I got to see like the robot, you know,
Speaker 4: try to do a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: That wasn't just on the screen.
Speaker 4: But it was The presenter kept reiterating that Claude knows
Speaker 4: what you want before you even have to say anything.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's not crapy at all.
Speaker 4: And that was that was the thing, because the cloud
Speaker 4: gets to observe you and learn your patterns and learn
Speaker 4: your habits once you like, and you can also input
Speaker 4: this data.
Speaker 2: And it was.
Speaker 4: During the towel folding segment he even made a joke
Speaker 4: because because it was because it was taking too long.
Speaker 4: It was like, ah, yes, Claude was able to fold
Speaker 4: the towel exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Like I like, it is this Cloyd the robot or
Speaker 3: Claude the AI?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cloyd Kloyd Kloyd.
Speaker 3: Does Cloyd run Claude?
Speaker 2: I mean I probably not. I mean it's slow and expensive,
Speaker 2: so I guess. And also just from my understanding, this
Speaker 2: thing is fucking huge. It's big giant, it's big. You
Speaker 2: just have this offensively looks like it's like it's like
Speaker 2: my it's like me sized. Yeah. Yeah, it's but also
Speaker 2: super wide, like a like a big scooter, like yeah,
Speaker 2: the kind of scooter you see.
Speaker 5: It's like a sort of storm tripper turned h butler.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, but learns what you need other than
Speaker 5: like like three rapidity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like how folded it faster than seven minutes or correctly?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: The presenter made a joke, is that because because claud
Speaker 4: Cloyd Cloyd wasn't able to fully fold the towel. He
Speaker 4: made a joke about how that's how he actually prefers
Speaker 4: his towels being folded. Because this was this was like
Speaker 4: an on and in an ongoing statement he kept making
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, Cloyd knows how long I
Speaker 4: want my croissants cooked, so he can he can bake micros,
Speaker 4: so he can bake microsohants exactly how long I want
Speaker 4: to He also, uh, Cloyd prepared a snack during the demo,
Speaker 4: and the snack was taking milk out of the fridge
Speaker 4: and putting the milk carton down on the counter because
Speaker 4: I do not know if the robot fingers were able to.
Speaker 3: Unscrew the mill of my snack of milky.
Speaker 4: Like the milk carton actually, so it was just taking
Speaker 4: the milk putting it on the counter. But for the
Speaker 4: for the for like the wife and father of two
Speaker 4: wife and father, for for the couple, and and and
Speaker 4: and and their kid. Demo, the robot was like, you know,
Speaker 4: if if you're too busy, the robot can make breakfast
Speaker 4: for your family in the morning. Well, the robot can
Speaker 4: put a tray of of croissant dough. It's pre prepared
Speaker 4: in the oven, so you have.
Speaker 1: To put that.
Speaker 4: You have to put the croissants on that unclear. No,
Speaker 4: the robot can take as long as the dough magically exists.
Speaker 4: Sure Claude Cloyd can walk towards the oven. The oven
Speaker 4: will automatically open with the new lg s and then
Speaker 4: put the tray in.
Speaker 1: But as the cant, you still have to line the
Speaker 1: croissants and you also have to unroll it can do
Speaker 1: the easiest part afford drone delivery of croissants from a
Speaker 1: really good part.
Speaker 2: That we saw was moving trey into oven.
Speaker 4: How the how the cross and dough got on the
Speaker 4: tray complete mystery. How the how the milk got from
Speaker 4: the cart into the glass also we'll never know.
Speaker 1: My question is did the did the nice actor who
Speaker 1: they hired to lie seem well acting is like exactly
Speaker 1: and he is good at his job, seem uh like
Speaker 1: self aware at all, a little bit like he seemed
Speaker 1: a little embarrassed he did he.
Speaker 2: Did a good job.
Speaker 6: This is also Vegas people, so and just think about
Speaker 6: the paycheck when he when when the robots spent ninety
Speaker 6: seconds putting a shirt in in the washing in the
Speaker 6: washing machine.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It was framed as Cloud being extremely thorough.
Speaker 7: Hm.
Speaker 2: Look look look how thorough. Yeah, as being it knows mysfications.
Speaker 2: I like shit done wrong and slow. Okay, I like
Speaker 2: my stuff done poorly. It's like, if I needed someone
Speaker 2: to do something slowly and poorly, as I said, I
Speaker 2: would do it myself.
Speaker 4: The odd thing it's like, and there was so much
Speaker 4: robotics in LVCA this year, like North Hall full full
Speaker 4: of robotics, and it's it's robotics that I that I've
Speaker 4: You've seen it, see, yes before, but it's always been
Speaker 4: They've always been kind of janky, and you haven't seen
Speaker 4: like big companies like LGE really mess with it because
Speaker 4: it's all kind of janky. And I was just kind
Speaker 4: of surprised that LG is actually like dipping their toes
Speaker 4: into this because it's not it's not necessarily new technology,
Speaker 4: but it's it's at the same level of jank as
Speaker 4: it was like a year and a half ago. But
Speaker 4: for some reason they decided to like go for it.
Speaker 3: They thought nothing else.
Speaker 2: I genuinely it's just headline grabs. It's just I fucking
Speaker 2: read a Wall Street Journal story to them. Not even
Speaker 2: name the reporter because he should know better. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the year of the robots, and one of
Speaker 2: the things, I swear to God, most of the robots
Speaker 2: they mentioned didn't exist. It was like Cloyd. I think
Speaker 2: they mentioned Cloyd. I feel like it's irresponsible for anyone
Speaker 2: to report on Cloyd as if it's real. Like it's
Speaker 2: real in the sense it's physically, it's physically in the.
Speaker 3: Las Vegas Convention Center Central Hall, LG booth.
Speaker 2: But it's like, this is not something that can be
Speaker 2: purchased or is sold.
Speaker 3: Or even does like it does anything.
Speaker 2: The very simple thing I mean, I mean feel like
Speaker 2: I'm going insane.
Speaker 1: I made this point last time we were talking about
Speaker 1: we were talking about Cloyd on some other episode I
Speaker 1: can't remember, several years ago. Yeah truly. But so I
Speaker 1: know that this is a repeat point for anybody for
Speaker 1: the real errors out there. But the keys finding thing.
Speaker 1: For the robot to be able to find the keys,
Speaker 1: that means that the keys must have some kind of
Speaker 1: air tag chip on them, Like that's how the robot.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's possibly, in.
Speaker 1: Which case you go, how about you just put an
Speaker 1: AirTag on your keys.
Speaker 4: Sure, I think Cloyd might be able to find the
Speaker 4: keys via just visual recognition, Like Cloyd was like sorting
Speaker 4: laundry by color. Cloyd was washing certain items but not washing.
Speaker 1: It just feels like if if I can't visually see
Speaker 1: my keys.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're you're a busy dad. You don't
Speaker 2: have time.
Speaker 1: I am Amber dad.
Speaker 2: You don't have time that dad and wife are busy
Speaker 2: with AI but doing busy productivity woman and no woman
Speaker 2: is Because at CS twenty twenty six, she was given
Speaker 2: pink battery packs.
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was welling around a little
Speaker 1: little power back thing and he pointed to the pastel
Speaker 1: colors and was like, this is it. It looks like
Speaker 1: a foundation, it looks like a makeup. And I was like, ah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's for girls. And I pointed to a black one
Speaker 1: and I was like that make me go no bad,
Speaker 1: but this make me go yes. And he was like,
Speaker 1: could not see. He just kept it, kept telling me
Speaker 1: power bags for girls.
Speaker 3: It's woke. Whoa because it's truly good, truly dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but woke too. And C is twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fucking It's gonna be in they're going
Speaker 2: to be the gender forcing machine.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, they already have like the the like
Speaker 4: accessibility stage. This year it's woke too, is going to
Speaker 4: be bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be like the caliphight section and the
Speaker 2: gender section, the false transgender section. That's gonna be fucking great.
Speaker 3: Sure, we're all changing genders next year. It's happening, folks.
Speaker 1: But that means you get a power bank that's whatever color.
Speaker 2: You can get a pink power bank. That sounds fucking great.
Speaker 2: We're all changing agendas next year. No, it's what else
Speaker 2: do you see?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You see?
Speaker 4: I mean it's honestly what was more interesting to me
Speaker 4: at Central Hall was what I didn't didn't see.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 4: I didn't see Nikon, I didn't see Cannon, I didn't
Speaker 4: I didn't see Samsung.
Speaker 3: They were not there there.
Speaker 4: They don't have booths this year, and holy the Panasonic
Speaker 4: booth very bare. Not really any product. There's there's like
Speaker 4: there's there's like enterprise products, there's like you know, energy
Speaker 4: efficiency products like software, there's chips, but there's there's there's
Speaker 4: not not many physical products. There's no likely Panasonic cameras.
Speaker 4: That's the Sony booth isn't a Sony booth, just has
Speaker 4: cars in partnership with h They've.
Speaker 3: Been weird in the last several years, like.
Speaker 5: This, but Samsung, but Sony because that exhibit somewhere in
Speaker 5: the wind.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But usually they have like the Samsung megalopolis, like a
Speaker 2: giant booth.
Speaker 4: Yeah not not not there, and Sony's exhibits is very small.
Speaker 4: This year it's just cars n Well, no Nikon, which
Speaker 4: has has had huge booths that see yes the past
Speaker 4: like three four years.
Speaker 2: Yes, I get this weird feeling about this show that
Speaker 2: something is up, something is really weird. This thing doesn't
Speaker 2: feel right because I saw like a chunk of a
Speaker 2: casino just with nothing there and those tables open. I
Speaker 2: think was even at the Palazza, which is just fucking strange.
Speaker 2: But something feels missing. It doesn't feel like there are
Speaker 2: less televisions like last year.
Speaker 3: There is less television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a television brant. You could stride around,
Speaker 2: like looking at all the various giant TVs that all
Speaker 2: look and sound the same, and that was fun. This
Speaker 2: it's smaller, weirder, And I mentioned this in another episode.
Speaker 2: Usually they keep the country tree based stuff in the
Speaker 2: basement in Eureka. Pop. Yeah, it was top it's a
Speaker 2: top side.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 4: There was some top side stuff last year.
Speaker 3: But it was much smaller. But there's there's there's way way.
Speaker 2: Bigger top side pavilions. Very strange above above Eureka this year.
Speaker 2: This is a bad sign.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of a lot of shifts.
Speaker 2: Know this.
Speaker 4: This sea definitely feels feel, feels very different. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to be just like cynical for the sake
Speaker 4: of being cynical. I want to have a fun time
Speaker 4: at see Yes, I actually I'm serious.
Speaker 2: I would love that. I would love to see some
Speaker 2: ship that makes me go cool. I would love that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't know, like I tried on some new,
Speaker 4: new new to me auto translating your buds today. I know,
Speaker 4: I know I've done a lot of auto translation stuff
Speaker 4: so far, but uh, these ones were really good. These
Speaker 4: ones were fast.
Speaker 2: Do you know who they were buying? Let me let me,
Speaker 2: let me look through my notes. It's no, I must say,
Speaker 2: though I'm not. They were they were in they were
Speaker 2: in North Hall. I'm trying to find them. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think any of us are trying to be reflexibly.
Speaker 3: Why are you looking up, Rob?
Speaker 2: What you saying? Let's let's bring you in here.
Speaker 5: So so, yeah, I've I've now sort of completed my inspection.
Speaker 5: I'm flying home, yeah this evening. And yeah, so West
Speaker 5: Halls the usual weird exhibit of things with wheels and
Speaker 5: sometimes tank treads. It's all the mobility stuff, which was
Speaker 5: never part of CEES first.
Speaker 3: Sure it came here and God helped me nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, there's lots of interesting stuff being done with,
Speaker 5: you know, portable solar power, like if we had balcony
Speaker 5: solar legalized in the US, that's where you'd see it
Speaker 5: in the North Hall, Central Hall is you know, that's
Speaker 5: still some exhibits with TV vendors, companies like high Sense
Speaker 5: and TCL. We're sort of devoting more space to that,
Speaker 5: and Samsung has sort of moved off site. And yeah, Panasonic,
Speaker 5: half of their stuff was like here's what we do
Speaker 5: for data centers, which are speaking as a Virginia and
Speaker 5: that they're not that popular.
Speaker 2: People do not like these. Yes, I imagine you've seen
Speaker 2: quite few of those recently.
Speaker 5: Every time I flied at Adullas Airport, can't miss him and
Speaker 5: today I finally got over to the Venetian to look
Speaker 5: at the sort of smart home exhibits upstairs. Downstairs is
Speaker 5: Eureka Park, which is all the real sort of cats
Speaker 5: and dogs, random internation, just.
Speaker 2: The random, the straight dogs more correct.
Speaker 3: That's where you have the weirdest stuff.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I think they need to lean into that with
Speaker 2: Eureka Park. They need to make it dirtier. They need
Speaker 2: to have like a dive bar in the corner, a
Speaker 2: few straight rocks, like the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Speaker 2: episode when they go to Atlantic City and there's just
Speaker 2: like dogs walking around. I think like they need to
Speaker 2: make it weird and gross, because I think that's the
Speaker 2: only thing that will make it interesting.
Speaker 1: I had the unfortunate order of going to Eureka Park first.
Speaker 1: I went the first day that I got here. I
Speaker 1: just had an hour before the show floor closed, and
Speaker 1: so all I could do was be in the Venetia
Speaker 1: Venetian and Ed had been like, oh, the downstairs is
Speaker 1: the weirdest, and so I like wandered around the upstairs
Speaker 1: of Venetian a little bit, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta hit the downstairs whatever. Basically that was my intro,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this stuff fucking rocks. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's insane, it's batshit, it's a ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: unnecessary yes, but it's so funny, and I was just
Speaker 1: having a ball, having the time of my life. Even
Speaker 1: even the upstairs at Venetian has been great. And then
Speaker 1: the last two days at the at the convention Center,
Speaker 1: I've been like, the fuck is this is this useful
Speaker 1: shit that you think I'm going to actually incorporate into
Speaker 1: my life. Get the fuck away from I want the
Speaker 1: weird shit that I can make fun of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry for that. I wish the show was
Speaker 2: more dopey, but it's kind of it's sad. I want
Speaker 2: I like the novelty stuff, or I want like big
Speaker 2: and stupid. I hear there's a giant tractor. I somehow missed.
Speaker 2: That's very amazing. That's how the tractors did what it
Speaker 2: was just a.
Speaker 3: Giant Gnere combine or was there another one?
Speaker 2: No, the combine, Yeah, it could be fun if there
Speaker 2: were two.
Speaker 5: Big Green Mission actually imported some some corn from some
Speaker 5: form in Iowa to play it in front of it
Speaker 5: to show you what it actually does.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I wonder why, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: if you have a farm, you probably know about tractor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know that the people here looking
Speaker 1: at that tractor are people who.
Speaker 2: Have farms, right, But my point is, then why did
Speaker 2: you put the track to there?
Speaker 1: It sounds like.
Speaker 3: Because you can.
Speaker 2: It's a giant green machine with if the reason was
Speaker 2: just like we can, fine, I love that. That's great.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so these these headbuds head times time kettle, Wow,
Speaker 2: time kettle. You could have you could have given me
Speaker 2: seven million years that wouldn't have come up with that name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were very fast, like nearly leg free conversational translation.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Do you know how much they cost? Orry from?
Speaker 2: Like that? Did they tell you? Because so many, so
Speaker 2: many of these places just don't. It's like when can
Speaker 2: I get it? Oh no, no, no not, we don't
Speaker 2: do that here. We don't sell things or put prices
Speaker 2: on things. We are simply we are simply showing you
Speaker 2: something so we can raise mo and then run away.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they definitely, they definitely have been selling them
Speaker 4: the past few months.
Speaker 2: And I will I will also go through my notes.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay, it's rob Can I ask solar balcony solar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Actually this was in the back of my mind too.
Speaker 1: Is that where somebody is that where you have, you know,
Speaker 1: tiny little baby solar panels on your porch and you
Speaker 1: can sell the electricity back to the electric The.
Speaker 5: Idea is you don't. So this is a sign that
Speaker 5: it's very popular in Germany. I was in Efense September
Speaker 5: in Berlin, and if you walk around the city, you'll
Speaker 5: see solar panels on balconies next to flags and flowers
Speaker 5: and everything all.
Speaker 2: Over the place.
Speaker 5: And the whole idea is it's very cheap. It's not
Speaker 5: enough to like power your whole flat, but it will.
Speaker 2: It's enough.
Speaker 5: You put two, maybe three solar panels outside, you plug
Speaker 5: them into an outlet, and that's it.
Speaker 3: And they started found some way to legalize it and
Speaker 3: they flow back.
Speaker 5: So the whole term outlet is apparently wrong because it
Speaker 5: is bi directional an inflow.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh wait, you mean what we what I think
Speaker 1: of as an outlet, that thing.
Speaker 3: We've been lied to our entire lives and also inlets.
Speaker 2: And Field just stepped in, which is to say they're
Speaker 2: lying to you about those plugs that have two spikes.
Speaker 3: Very big on the election.
Speaker 2: You can take Phil you you agree with this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ones with the two plugs on the end, you
Speaker 2: plug them in, they're legal right.
Speaker 3: Mail to mail yeah, male toil is illegal in most In.
Speaker 2: Most states, mal to maill is legal due to woke
Speaker 2: electricity people who don't want you to they're trying to
Speaker 2: in Texas they are. Actually it's a slate flag. It's
Speaker 2: it's a fifty cow rifle just wrapped in mail to mail. Yes,
Speaker 2: so that four hundred dollars, four hundred dollars for the
Speaker 2: the I can see.
Speaker 4: I can they need to be wife, I can phone conducting. No,
Speaker 4: I mean I think no, they're bluetooth to the phone,
Speaker 4: so like your your phone will need but I feel
Speaker 4: like they're they're running the computer through the phone.
Speaker 1: But but I'm asking does the phone need a wife?
Speaker 1: I can need need.
Speaker 2: It's probably needs to sell.
Speaker 1: It's not an on device.
Speaker 2: L M, No, it is it is. It is not
Speaker 2: on device. I will say with that uses others. I
Speaker 2: will say with that one, if it's immediate, then the
Speaker 2: situation you'd be using that is like international business. So
Speaker 2: I can kind of get at Yeah, it was fine,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of getting worried about like LM translation though, sure,
Speaker 2: because it's like, how would I possibly know. It's like,
Speaker 2: it gets things wrong in the language I understand, imagine
Speaker 2: the one I don't. Yeah, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I like this text, so you know, who knows if
Speaker 2: that will exactly?
Speaker 3: I want that. I want that to work.
Speaker 2: But it's like, because the pebble watch we're talking about
Speaker 2: the pebble ring we were talking about earlier. That's on
Speaker 2: device somehow, and that's cool. It's just like, but the
Speaker 2: thing is on device is very difficult. It's not I
Speaker 2: can understand why people are doing it. It's just what
Speaker 2: happens if this becomes more expensive, which it most certainly will.
Speaker 2: But Rob, you've been going to see since nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: as we've.
Speaker 5: Just estabveraged, I think a lot about the life choices
Speaker 5: that put me.
Speaker 1: And what do you think about those show?
Speaker 3: How do you know?
Speaker 2: Seriously, how do you feel about the ces? Like, how
Speaker 2: does it compare to even last year of the year before?
Speaker 3: So honestly I haven't.
Speaker 1: Said how does it compare to nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 5: Well, in nineteen ninety eight, this was a show about
Speaker 5: TVs and cereos and it was the dawn of digital TV.
Speaker 2: What they took from UST.
Speaker 5: People were very excited about the prospect of being able
Speaker 5: to spend like four thousand dollars on some thirty and
Speaker 5: c r T. There would be four hundred pounds, but
Speaker 5: it would display yeah ten eighty I resolution.
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa yeah.
Speaker 5: And along the way it's become this the show about
Speaker 5: all these different parts of technology. So there's all these
Speaker 5: you know, electric cars, solar panels, AI household robots. So
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I complain a lot about the logistics
Speaker 5: because it is such a paniastic get around. But yesterday,
Speaker 5: in the span of like four hours walking around LVCC North,
Speaker 5: I talked to a company developing building a test fusion
Speaker 5: power plant in Massachusetts. We else, let me take a
Speaker 5: look at my notes, a bizarre sequence of events.
Speaker 1: Let's wait, sorry, say that as in a new nuclear
Speaker 1: power plant.
Speaker 3: In nuclear fusion power plant.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh this is non existent.
Speaker 3: It's it's been twenty years away my entire life, you know.
Speaker 2: It's that's my favorite thing about the nuclear stuff. It's
Speaker 2: like nuclear power is real, but it's like fission. Yep.
Speaker 2: We are just we are med decades away from this
Speaker 2: twenty like Dad.
Speaker 1: Just fusion fusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole fission fusion thing. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get fill on it. He's he actually knows he
Speaker 2: talking about We don't do that on this show.
Speaker 1: The only reason I know is because last night Phil
Speaker 1: spent an hour explaining that.
Speaker 2: And I was suffering a podcast is concussion, So I was, which.
Speaker 5: I know the omore so other random conversations had during
Speaker 5: this little tour just LVCC North guy with a battery
Speaker 5: company in Singapore where they're they're building much.
Speaker 3: Of the battery out of paper. Oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there, so that's really neat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I tried on an excess skeleton to le We've heard
Speaker 5: a few people which one which one is hyper shell X.
Speaker 2: I was wearing hyper shehell today as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it's sort of like you know when
Speaker 5: you get on an ee biking and it's it's almost
Speaker 5: like the hand of God is pushing you down the street,
Speaker 5: Sam Surrey, where think it's up your legs and does
Speaker 5: it feel honestly, you've used.
Speaker 3: It feels good?
Speaker 5: I mean, anything to make my feet hurt less at
Speaker 5: the show, So maybe I should roll up wearing that
Speaker 5: thing next time.
Speaker 4: I got really into the settings. I'm tell they they
Speaker 4: have an app and they have three different modes, and
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's.
Speaker 2: Roberts already talked abou hypers shell. He talked about it
Speaker 2: a little bit, but he hadn't like really used it.
Speaker 4: We uh me and someone else have been trading trading
Speaker 4: off wearing it all day. And so there's this like
Speaker 4: eco mode, which is like the regular mode that that
Speaker 4: you can operate it and you can change like the
Speaker 4: percentage of how much power is getting directed to it.
Speaker 2: That changes how much it assists to you.
Speaker 4: There's hyper mode, which if you have hyper mode on
Speaker 4: and all the way you are like bounding.
Speaker 3: It is it is, it is, it is.
Speaker 2: It is really pushing forward.
Speaker 3: It is fun.
Speaker 4: It's uncomfortable if you were walking slowly, you have to
Speaker 4: be like walking fast. But if you're walking fast with it,
Speaker 4: it's good. It's like really good.
Speaker 2: I grew up in London. I live in a fast walker.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 4: And you can you can change the intensity of it.
Speaker 4: But you can you can change like the torque from
Speaker 4: like one leg to another to make to make a
Speaker 4: different is.
Speaker 2: That if you have like an injury in one leg
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 4: That's you can change like how much like input delay
Speaker 4: there is, how much it's gonna like like like how
Speaker 4: fast the acceleration is for when it starts moving. Something
Speaker 4: that I was uh using to like mess with.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: The person who was walking around with today is they
Speaker 4: have on their for their experimental future. They have something
Speaker 4: called Fitness mode, which does the opposite of the mazing
Speaker 4: resist resist strict movement. And this was really fun because
Speaker 4: I could have them. I could see them like running
Speaker 4: around on hyper mode and via my phone, I can
Speaker 4: change it to Fitness mode to completely top there moving.
Speaker 2: Like the wrong trousers with Wallace and grum it.
Speaker 7: So I can just completely like like force them to
Speaker 7: a standstill and it works great, and I I could
Speaker 7: do it for like I can do it for like
Speaker 7: thirty feet away on the.
Speaker 2: App uh And it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: It was really fun. I've I've been looking for more bits.
Speaker 2: That's really been I've been doing this for like eight hours.
Speaker 2: I've been so annoying with this. I love that they
Speaker 2: got wrong trousers mode. That's so good And honestly I'm
Speaker 2: not cynic. I love these things.
Speaker 3: I fuck it was fun. I fucking love these.
Speaker 2: I know so many people with mobility issues on myself
Speaker 2: of a fucked up an cool I love this. I
Speaker 2: love that this feels like future tech.
Speaker 4: And it's small, it's doesn't it doesn't get like I've
Speaker 4: tried on many many in exo an ex skeleton at
Speaker 4: at the cess I've been to. Uh, this one was
Speaker 4: very compact but still still functionals.
Speaker 5: It's wraps around your your waist, in your legs, really
Speaker 5: an extra skill and I'm like, what do you do.
Speaker 2: Caught mobility suit.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but like it's basically just like an
Speaker 4: extra set of hips.
Speaker 2: Kind of right.
Speaker 4: Could see some of them and hips that help that help,
Speaker 4: and the help line that helped push your knee.
Speaker 3: Up well, the artificially assisted hips.
Speaker 2: So they dot the hips that finally we found hips
Speaker 2: that lie. Yeah, it's I love that. I love that
Speaker 2: they've got these, especially with like so much useless ship
Speaker 2: Here a way to like help people walk feels almost
Speaker 2: like the platonic ideal of cees. Like other than a
Speaker 2: giant television, a television so large you can't see all
Speaker 2: of it. They go like, yeah, I saw that too.
Speaker 2: They just got a big as big ass TV. Hell yeah,
Speaker 2: do you know what the price was? It wasn't transparent?
Speaker 2: Yeah fuck it.
Speaker 3: Then no LGA had the transparent TV.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. They're the useful TVs. But every year
Speaker 2: I think they should try and make a bigger one,
Speaker 2: Like just like every year there like it goes two
Speaker 2: hundred inches. Now now we go one where we have
Speaker 2: to bypart of the wall, Like, yeah, just escalate constantly.
Speaker 2: And I saw on the very first day a wireless
Speaker 2: TV situation where they were like, yeah, it's for trade shows.
Speaker 2: You can get four of them and clip them into
Speaker 2: one thing. I'm like, oh, you could be a sports freak,
Speaker 2: and they just fucking look to me. They just look.
Speaker 2: I'm like what I mean. Like when I was getting
Speaker 2: my place here in Vegas, I went to look at
Speaker 2: a house where the guy had just four CRTs, all
Speaker 2: just playing different NFL games, And I also what during
Speaker 2: that tour house didn't actually get in the end. I
Speaker 2: was just enamored with that, and honestly it was all
Speaker 2: I could think about, Like, you could just pop up
Speaker 2: on them those sports TV things. Back to the future too.
Speaker 2: You get fired by a guy from Japan, be great.
Speaker 2: I'm not Markein Mttfly's dad in the future anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I like the EXE hyper Shell's good. I need
Speaker 2: them to reach out to it. They reached out to you,
Speaker 2: They reached out to Robert. They they don't like me there,
Speaker 2: people like hyper Sheelle don't like me very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're afraid that you're gonna get into your podcast
Speaker 1: and with them positively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, actually based on the lost twelve hours,
Speaker 2: like I'm blamed, I'd be like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't think I got ai in any way, So
Speaker 5: you're probably that should be safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do have stats.
Speaker 4: You can see how many miles to walk, how many
Speaker 4: steps you've walked on the battery was great, Like we've
Speaker 4: we've we've had this thing on since like since like
Speaker 4: eight am. I got back to my hotel to drop
Speaker 4: it off about an hour ago, and we still had
Speaker 4: fifty percent of the battery left.
Speaker 2: That's really better than my doing, and.
Speaker 4: You know it was it has it is better the
Speaker 4: phone and like we're walking in a convention center, like
Speaker 4: that's a lot of walking.
Speaker 1: The fitness mode, who are there? Is it the same
Speaker 1: ten thousand steps?
Speaker 2: That's not bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because so much of our podcasting has
Speaker 1: been looking at products that are unnecessary and pointing out
Speaker 1: the unnecessary parts of them and rightfully laughing at those.
Speaker 1: And this is a product that clearly I can help
Speaker 1: a ton of people and is wonderful technology and very worthwhile.
Speaker 1: And so I don't mean to apply the same logic.
Speaker 1: But is the person who's buying Hypershell going to use
Speaker 1: the fitness mode? Those feel to me like two different uses.
Speaker 3: It feels like something that's probably not difficult.
Speaker 2: It's an ad.
Speaker 4: It's an extra add on, that's the thing. It is
Speaker 4: an experimental feature. It is not They are not. I
Speaker 4: do not think they're selling them with fitness mode enabled
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 4: It is an experimental feature that you have to like, click, like,
Speaker 4: agree and okay to all right.
Speaker 2: We're going to rotate, of course. Now, this following ad
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Speaker 2: Good evening, and take right to Rob Pegoraro. I I
Speaker 2: like the Fitness Mode. I heard the moment you said that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to fucking go for it. Like
Speaker 2: I've been, really I've been getting into more cardio stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I kind of want to funk. I want
Speaker 2: to see how this sucks me up. It's really cool.
Speaker 2: So how does did you try the Fitness Mode yourself?
Speaker 2: How does how does it exert the pressure? Like? Is
Speaker 2: it the is walking more difficult? Yeah, it's it's very difficult.
Speaker 4: You can't you You have to really strain to like
Speaker 4: step more than like maybe like half a foot.
Speaker 1: Is it just that it sort of like binds up
Speaker 1: the mechanism.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's like it's it's like
Speaker 4: locking the murder or paying applying resistance to the you
Speaker 4: have to then takes it takes way more efforctuse.
Speaker 2: I mean you've already got like wasted pants and stuff.
Speaker 2: I know, this sounds like I'm doing you do you
Speaker 2: actually do have these things you have like sweatsuits, and
Speaker 2: well that's sort.
Speaker 1: Of what I That's where I wind up coming to
Speaker 1: is like this feels.
Speaker 4: You can change the you can you you have like
Speaker 4: you have like like like a slider, like you can
Speaker 4: change the settings for.
Speaker 1: I totally follow. I totally follow. And the if if
Speaker 1: we were not so positive on the rest of the problem,
Speaker 1: I just am like this, I'm thinking of Conover about
Speaker 1: the Conover saying this is a solved problem. You know,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, we have weighted best or we have
Speaker 1: My thing is with fits. You know how people bought
Speaker 1: the like Nordic tracks. Do you remember those the cross
Speaker 1: the internal cross country ski machines, and that there was
Speaker 1: like a year where everybody's like, everybody's got to get
Speaker 1: a Nordic track. Yeah, and then now and then upon
Speaker 1: a bunch of people just have a Nordic track sitting
Speaker 1: in the racement that they don't need.
Speaker 2: I think the difference with this is not only is
Speaker 2: an experimental feature, it's not trying to be a one
Speaker 2: size fits all thing because you can use it well hiking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you if you want to have a
Speaker 4: more of a workout well hiking, and there's settings for
Speaker 4: going uphill downhill, and it changes the way that like
Speaker 4: how how the motors like functions.
Speaker 2: So it does have a lot of not being sold
Speaker 2: on this. Pardon it's not being sold on this idea.
Speaker 2: This is an excitement that I even.
Speaker 3: Told me about the fitness mode.
Speaker 5: I tried ecomode and I.
Speaker 3: Have enough trouble getting around already.
Speaker 4: You don't need to do this walking race, walking uphill, downhill,
Speaker 4: upstairs downstairs, gravel cycling, running mountain and sand dunes are
Speaker 4: the adaptive motion.
Speaker 2: Like I can't set a fitness I would love to
Speaker 2: because my ankle gets sucked up. If a war more
Speaker 2: than a mile, I would love this. Yeah, diaper shell,
Speaker 2: reach fuck hyper shell, reach out to me, like, I
Speaker 2: swear to God, we're never going to know that you
Speaker 2: call them diaper I'm going to I'm not going to
Speaker 2: call them diper shell again. It'll be fine. That was
Speaker 2: the last time you're like, you can't take it off
Speaker 2: when you're.
Speaker 3: Diaper?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, so okay, rop back to you. Anything else? Well, actually,
Speaker 2: was there anything you really loved.
Speaker 5: During this anything like the story of most fascinated by
Speaker 5: there's a company called Donut Lab that does not actually
Speaker 5: make it's not it's not a donut making robot. They
Speaker 5: introduced a solid state battery for electric vehicles.
Speaker 2: So we had a very brief conversation about this, and
Speaker 2: then someone emailed me and said they want more. So
Speaker 2: guess fucking what, one listener, it's your Lucky.
Speaker 3: Day reader service.
Speaker 5: So it is kind of mystery how they've done it,
Speaker 5: because this has trictly been the holy grail. Supposedly, if
Speaker 5: you can get the battery chemistry and everything in the
Speaker 5: physics to work, you have a much lighter battery that's cheaper,
Speaker 5: the charges faster, those far more cycles. And they say
Speaker 5: they've done all these things, but they're being very cagy
Speaker 5: about them.
Speaker 3: And they also say.
Speaker 5: That the minerals are globally available widely. Sos like, what's
Speaker 5: the catch is one of the other ingredients?
Speaker 3: Kittens, what's going on here? And so we'll have to see.
Speaker 5: Like they're showing off a motorcycle which includes the battery.
Speaker 5: Would you use it was? No, they just had it
Speaker 5: parked there. It's a thirty thousand dollars and up electric motorcycle.
Speaker 5: Looks great, but if they've cracked the code for that,
Speaker 5: and there's lots of other people working on some old
Speaker 5: state batteries. And given the NV's are already good, like
Speaker 5: you know, you have this thing, you can charge it
Speaker 5: at home, you know, a fast charger. It's it's enough
Speaker 5: time for me to take a nap, which I like doing.
Speaker 5: And right, so address the other concerns people have.
Speaker 1: Is it big enough to power a vehicle that's bigger
Speaker 1: than a motorcycle?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely though, like they showed off, there's
Speaker 5: some company that makes like an electric car chassis with
Speaker 5: the sort of skateboard thing where the batteries are right
Speaker 5: underneath the center.
Speaker 3: That's most vs are designed. So yeah, their whole aim
Speaker 3: is to have us in a lot of different cars.
Speaker 3: Like they say, they'll have news soon about car partnerships,
Speaker 3: so big deal.
Speaker 2: But if this is true, it's like a revolution in
Speaker 2: old car battery text.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not just that, I mean like drones, trains
Speaker 5: for that matter, Because we don't know how to build
Speaker 5: transportation infrastructure affordable in America, lots of railroad operators would
Speaker 5: rather put the battery on the train than put the
Speaker 5: wires above the tracks.
Speaker 2: I just want to be clear, if this is true,
Speaker 2: I will be the most excited about this app up.
Speaker 2: If Donut Labs ends up being fake, I'm going to
Speaker 2: spend multiple episodes destroying this film so dirty. No no, no,
Speaker 2: you won't because it's an exciting and cool thing. And
Speaker 2: if this is real, it's fucking amazing. If it's not,
Speaker 2: I will learn everything about this company and publish it
Speaker 2: on this fucking No, they genuinely are.
Speaker 1: But it also sounds like somebody is going to crack
Speaker 1: this well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like there're enough other there's enough money being put
Speaker 5: at solved directed at solving the problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's what's it going to do? I mean,
Speaker 1: is the is the oil industry going to have an
Speaker 1: even bigger procism than we've.
Speaker 2: The thing is what the oil industry they're well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they're also well invested in this stuff too, and
Speaker 2: they will find ways to make money off of this.
Speaker 2: They will not like it, but it's kind of hard
Speaker 2: to deny electricity, but nevertheless they unlove it. Problem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the whole the trend has been going
Speaker 5: on for years and years, and it's just right now
Speaker 5: in the US we have this president who has just
Speaker 5: some trange notions of energy and affordability, and I think
Speaker 5: his head is stuck in nineteen eighty six, which is
Speaker 5: why he thinks it's a good idea to you know,
Speaker 5: Hijack Venezuela is if it's like sticking up a gas station.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I love living in I want to live
Speaker 2: you know what I would love. I'd love to live
Speaker 2: in precedented times. I'd love to live in boring times.
Speaker 2: I'm I've had too many interesting events happen. I'd like
Speaker 2: to go back to boredom, but sadly they're not going
Speaker 2: to allow me. I don't know, it's it's frustrating because
Speaker 2: I've been asking people genuinely, seriously bring me stuff you're
Speaker 2: excited about, and everyone keeps coming back with, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was kind of an Honestly, the exoskeletons are the
Speaker 2: one unilaterally thing other than big tractor. And again it
Speaker 2: must be clear, big thing, big huge thing.
Speaker 1: That's hug TV.
Speaker 2: I know, I fucking love it. I'm I'm an ape.
Speaker 4: One of the best CS moments I've I've ever had
Speaker 4: is when I when we saw maybe two years ago,
Speaker 4: we saw the USPS's first one of those duck electric
Speaker 4: duck vehicles, and I was like, this is rad. This
Speaker 4: thing looks great. And like two years later I saw
Speaker 4: them rolling around the city.
Speaker 2: I'm not fucking rocks. I love that.
Speaker 5: So I Oshkosh, the company that makes it, they had
Speaker 5: a media day at their facility in Wisconsin, flew me
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 3: I got to drive it. WHOA, tell me more about that.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, so, first of all, it looks the
Speaker 5: way it does because you want something where people can
Speaker 5: stand up in the back, right, and so, yeah, which
Speaker 5: you can't do right now in these nineteen eighties vinaged trucks,
Speaker 5: the postal services rolling around. It's got air conditioning as
Speaker 5: cup holders, all the modern conveniences, and yeah, Oshkosh took
Speaker 5: a long time to serve get production ramped up. It
Speaker 5: seems like they're doing that now, and yeah, it was
Speaker 5: a neat. They also showed off like a battery electric
Speaker 5: garbage truck, which I got to drive.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: It was the quiet garbage truck I've ever driven. Also
Speaker 3: the only one.
Speaker 2: But whatever, I mean, I'm really I just love the
Speaker 2: idea of driving a truck around. Yeah, so garbage truck.
Speaker 1: Here's the Okay, here's a question that I had the
Speaker 1: thought of in an earlier episode and didn't wind up
Speaker 1: asking Oshkosh. The company that makes those trucks is a
Speaker 1: huge defense contractor, YEP, makes a ton of military vehicles.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Uh I was reading on x the everything app
Speaker 1: that UH ICE and CPB CBP was has been seen
Speaker 1: using smart glasses to like record protesters and stuff. How
Speaker 1: much of the tech that we see at cees winds
Speaker 1: up getting filtered into what I would consider nefarious action?
Speaker 3: Probably a lot.
Speaker 5: I mean the fact that ICE is apparently using has
Speaker 5: some sort of face recognition system against some database that
Speaker 5: I didn't know the government Charlie had to see if
Speaker 5: someone is an American citizen, which, yeah, I have a
Speaker 5: lot of problems. Well where do we start, maybe like
Speaker 5: perhaps they could not murder Americans? Yeah, that would be fun,
Speaker 5: and then try to cover it up.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm going to be just shout two more people, yeah, CBP, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna say something, but be honest,
Speaker 2: people do we ma'am only and ask why don't I
Speaker 2: have to say anything? Because I'm a fucking immigrant and
Speaker 2: I'm terrified of saying anything about it at all, And
Speaker 2: if you're ever wondering if I have opinions on this,
Speaker 2: I do, but I'm terrified to say anything. I do
Speaker 2: not think that I don't have thoughts or feelings about
Speaker 2: someone being shot to fucking death mother, which is disgraceful
Speaker 2: and disgusting, But I have to, like, I am very
Speaker 2: guarded about it. It's not that I don't care, it's
Speaker 2: that as an immigrant with a child in America, I
Speaker 2: die here. So yeah, very fun fucking week for everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the thing you're talking about, we see a
Speaker 4: lot of this with like the drone tech, and like
Speaker 4: one of the one of the first ess I went
Speaker 4: to and now you you still see this now in
Speaker 4: the show is like it was on like you know,
Speaker 4: Advancing Drone Technology, and it was like half put on
Speaker 4: by Walmart and half put on by this a police
Speaker 4: department UH in southern California who launched like the first
Speaker 4: like big drone program, which has now been copied around
Speaker 4: the country. And this was like a panel with like
Speaker 4: both of them talking about how Walmart's doing drone deliveries
Speaker 4: and how the police are sending or sending these drones
Speaker 4: to like surveil neighborhoods and go to and go to
Speaker 4: crime scenes before officers and like secure the area to
Speaker 4: like you know, see see what's going on. And yeah,
Speaker 4: you see this a lot with the drone stuff here
Speaker 4: in Cees. There's across from the across from the Creator stage,
Speaker 4: which is in Central Hall. It's where it's where if
Speaker 4: you're a content it's all things content creator in creator economy.
Speaker 4: Yet you would love the creator stage, I'm going. I
Speaker 4: stood next to a panel where they talked about the
Speaker 4: changing changing habits of gens of digital gen z Life.
Speaker 2: A presentation created by people over the age of forty.
Speaker 1: All of them, where yes, I say, what happens we're changing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again.
Speaker 4: I stood next to this panel because I just heard
Speaker 4: too many like things. I sometimes in panels, you know,
Speaker 4: like five minutes later, you're like, this is not going to.
Speaker 2: Be you just thought hearing the Charlie Brown para, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Then and then and then you have to But it
Speaker 4: turns out they use a TikTok to make purchasing decisions.
Speaker 1: Hell is that?
Speaker 2: But well that's so skivity of them.
Speaker 3: Did I say that?
Speaker 1: Right? That rocks? But across from the creator moment. I've
Speaker 1: been podcasting for approximately fourteen hours over the last three days.
Speaker 1: That's a tough moment.
Speaker 2: Across from the creator stage.
Speaker 4: There's a Chinese drone company that has these they're called
Speaker 4: drone in the box systems where basically you put it
Speaker 4: in the back of like a pickup truck and you
Speaker 4: can launch you can launch a drone and it'll you
Speaker 4: can like you can latch an autonomous drone and it'll pilot,
Speaker 4: pilot round and then go back back into the box.
Speaker 4: This this already exists in this we have we have
Speaker 4: we police departments in the States already have this. But
Speaker 4: this was like a transcom be that debt was making
Speaker 4: making a lot of these and I can pull up the.
Speaker 2: Consumer druns here though I feel like last year there
Speaker 2: was like various there were more fun things that was
Speaker 2: like a baseball thing was there was.
Speaker 3: A drone soccer thing last year. Well one thing is SoC.
Speaker 4: GDU was the company with aerial surveillance in public safety
Speaker 4: where they're.
Speaker 2: Too many, like I haven't see many consumer drune companies
Speaker 2: know how many.
Speaker 5: Of them are now sort of banned by this order
Speaker 5: that has come out which they're targeting DJI which without them,
Speaker 5: like where Americans going to buy drones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're targeting the horse.
Speaker 3: When the thought this through entirely, it's.
Speaker 2: Just that whole thing, the whole all of that ship's
Speaker 2: so bizarre to me. It's just like, oh, what if
Speaker 2: the what if we fill American full of Chinese products
Speaker 2: that could be used as Oh wait, we did that.
Speaker 2: We've done that for ten straight years. We've just Amazon
Speaker 2: has with various letters, putting random orders, shifted security cameras
Speaker 2: into every home for on the cheap. Oh no, how
Speaker 2: would we stop this? Well, it doesn't start with the stores.
Speaker 2: It starts with China. The sneaky Chinese who are I
Speaker 2: don't know, selling to America constantly. We don't stop that.
Speaker 1: You've heard it here, folks.
Speaker 2: No, it's just very confused. I don't don't really understand.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really understands what we're doing against
Speaker 2: China at this point. It's just like we might let
Speaker 2: them buy stuff. Actually, that was an interesting story. So
Speaker 2: today in Vidia with China, with these GPUs, they're saying
Speaker 2: they have to be paid completely upfront, whether or not
Speaker 2: they can actually sell them. They're saying that regardless of
Speaker 2: how the the sanctions work out, if you buy them,
Speaker 2: you must pay completely fucking up from whether or not
Speaker 2: you can. You can't change your order, you can't get
Speaker 2: a refund, you can't cancel, you can't reall cate. Fuck yeah,
Speaker 2: in video doing great, that's the kind of shit you
Speaker 2: do when you're like not doing well financially.
Speaker 5: Yeah, weird, Like why even it's just because you must
Speaker 5: think you have exceedingly captive customers.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's like the kind of shit you do
Speaker 2: when you think that you can't die and.
Speaker 1: But you also are a little worried about.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, you're like trying to pretend you're strong. And
Speaker 2: I say this, in a town full of people that
Speaker 2: act like they can't die, this is the person who
Speaker 2: gets washed out first, Like, this is the person who
Speaker 2: they have all the money until they get seven down
Speaker 2: on the craps table. Yeah, little craps, Little craps for everyone.
Speaker 2: Anyone play craps you listen, Email me easy a better
Speaker 2: offline dot Com with your craps tips if you send
Speaker 2: me toilet related stuff and will be really upset. It's
Speaker 2: different kind of craps. Anyway, moving on, what else, Rob
Speaker 2: Wels you see.
Speaker 5: Oh, let's seem so I've been trying to follow some
Speaker 5: of the the political discussion. It's like everyone WASHINGTONI and
Speaker 5: I fly two thousand miles to hang out with people
Speaker 5: from DC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And so there's a reallysting panel about tariffs Tuesday morning
Speaker 5: where everyone was saying, this is such a dumb idea
Speaker 5: like this, it's not helping their attacks paid by Americans,
Speaker 5: not the chin. They're not helping people build factories. The
Speaker 5: CEO of this kitchen robot company, souv Robert Thus, was saying,
Speaker 5: you know, we've created a lot of jobs not in
Speaker 5: the United States if they had a factory built in
Speaker 5: Mexico when in Vietnam, like, none of the stuff works,
Speaker 5: none of it makes any sense.
Speaker 2: Well, stupid question. Why would the tariffs make them put
Speaker 2: jobs in Mexico? And I say this genuinely not.
Speaker 5: So her answer was basically, the first of all, a
Speaker 5: lot of the components to the stuff she makes is
Speaker 5: not made in the US and will not be made
Speaker 5: in the US at any time.
Speaker 2: Soon, and.
Speaker 5: Therefore you need to import those things. And so why
Speaker 5: eat the tariffs on the stuff you need to bring
Speaker 5: to the US when you can just have them ship
Speaker 5: to Mexico pay a lesser tariff.
Speaker 3: Once that way, and so.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change the incentives at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like we haven't suddenly magically made it reasonable for
Speaker 5: people to you know, do all this factor factory work
Speaker 5: that was you know, offitable thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to pay people like was it NAFTA.
Speaker 2: It's probably what caused the problem, not like yeah, not
Speaker 2: like the tariffs people were.
Speaker 5: Paying after Now it's us MCA, which now Trump thinks
Speaker 5: is terrible, and it's just not you know, it's not
Speaker 5: policy making by grown ups. And so the rest of
Speaker 5: the panel, I'm guessing everyone kind of agreed and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it was I don't imagine. Well, the finding is,
Speaker 5: of course, a lot of people in the electronics industry
Speaker 5: seem to think that, oh, it's great that we're pushing
Speaker 5: ahead on AI where we're getting rid of the regulatory shackles.
Speaker 5: But the problem is the person who's doing that is
Speaker 5: also the one who's imposing the tariffs.
Speaker 2: It's the same guy. So you don't have regulatory shackles.
Speaker 2: You live in Virginia, you know that. Yeah, there's nothing
Speaker 2: the capital of the world. All you hear in Virginia
Speaker 2: is the screaming of the computer because the computer is
Speaker 2: in pain, the GPU is hurting the computer.
Speaker 5: We have a new governor getting sworn in in less
Speaker 5: than two weeks, Elcebenberger, and I think we will be
Speaker 5: seeing some things done about data centers that were not
Speaker 5: going to save She's going to save the computer from
Speaker 5: the GPUs.
Speaker 1: What do you have a suspicion of what those things
Speaker 1: will be?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean a lot of it is around on
Speaker 5: that didn't she she is sort of. She said, we
Speaker 5: need to make sure that like large utility users pay
Speaker 5: their fair share, which the previous governor, Glenn Younkin, who
Speaker 5: is I think most people would say he is the
Speaker 5: most mediacre governor of Virginia the twenty first century. So yeah,
Speaker 5: like young and he veted like really small board legislation
Speaker 5: saying like, you know, we need to have some standards
Speaker 5: for environmental review of data centers.
Speaker 3: Because these things are love the place.
Speaker 5: If you take off from Dollas Airport, look to your
Speaker 5: left and right, you'll see these huge boxes with stuff
Speaker 5: on the roof, the parking lots around. Nobody works in them,
Speaker 5: and they do provide a lot of property tax revenue
Speaker 5: for counties. So like it's a huge chunk of the
Speaker 5: revenue of like Louden County, Prince William County, Western excerpts
Speaker 5: of DC. But there's no benefit people nearby. They don't
Speaker 5: generate jobs. They you don't get faster internet because you
Speaker 5: have a data center one street away.
Speaker 1: In fact, you get more expensive election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and pair in America, we don't feed those taxes
Speaker 2: in once a month.
Speaker 5: They've they've got to turn on the backup generators to
Speaker 5: make sure they work. So that's a lot of noise
Speaker 5: and pollution. Everyone hates them. They're really unpopular. And the
Speaker 5: whole idea that we need to do this because guys
Speaker 5: like Mark Zuckerberg and Sam Altman think that we're going
Speaker 5: to get super intelligence or AGI, so we have to
Speaker 5: sort of suck it up.
Speaker 3: We need those GPUs to law.
Speaker 2: This is a true story, Jeff Howits and Ruyters law
Speaker 2: a man with dementia to New York using a Kighi
Speaker 2: Jenna branded chatbot and then he fell over and died.
Speaker 3: Yes, true story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that Grand Fox so Locker book should being
Speaker 2: fucking prison and everyone who worked on it should be
Speaker 2: in there with them. I'm deadly fucking serious. Everyone who
Speaker 2: worked on that, every single fucking person fucking put Jenner
Speaker 2: in there as well, her fucking face on it. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I have some like slightly aggressive views on this. You
Speaker 2: do have views? No, No, it's just I think it's
Speaker 2: just exploitative. But no, it's interesting hearing the data center
Speaker 2: a conversation here as well, because we have some core
Speaker 2: Weave bullshit. Actually go and have a look and have
Speaker 2: a look at them. Oh yes, yes, of all the
Speaker 2: companies to be here in Vegas, Core Weave. I but
Speaker 2: did you see any other panels that are of interest?
Speaker 2: So I don't just talk about Colin.
Speaker 3: So there's a bunch asking.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to sort of catch up via THEOD
Speaker 5: when I get back home. Like every year, I walk
Speaker 5: miles and miles through this becazibits. Think I've covered it all,
Speaker 5: come home, read other people, see s recaps, see all
Speaker 5: the stuff I missed, and.
Speaker 3: Like, totally did I go to the same shew yea.
Speaker 2: Now I walk through I've been here for days and
Speaker 2: there was like yesterday when I walked through stuff, nothing
Speaker 2: was affixing to my brain. It was all just this
Speaker 2: slop of my brain's going won't exist, won't exist, GPT.
Speaker 3: Wrapper, won't exist.
Speaker 2: Remember any laundering photonics panel, solar panel. And it was
Speaker 2: strange because usually there is like a good amount and
Speaker 2: I should also be clad cynic aside, there was a
Speaker 2: use for this. There are people who go hit bios
Speaker 2: who are like, oh, I'm gonna I'm building something and
Speaker 2: what have you. But it feels like it's either that
Speaker 2: or the like the slopification of cees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it reminds me of like when three D printers
Speaker 4: just started, yes, like getting popular and then and then
Speaker 4: you see three D printed slop everywhere, and that is
Speaker 4: this is interesting, like the way that you know, if
Speaker 4: you if you go to like a like a like
Speaker 4: like a comic con or like a red and fare
Speaker 4: things that they used to be you know, like hand
Speaker 4: handmade cool like novelty goods. Now it's just all these
Speaker 4: three D printed dragons because we can use these, we
Speaker 4: can use these, uh, use these devices just to like
Speaker 4: print out print out this like you know, plastic bullshit.
Speaker 4: And there's a similar thing happening with with these GTP
Speaker 4: wrappers where instead of they are kind of new products,
Speaker 4: but it's all it's all building some physical mechanism around this.
Speaker 4: The same the same like the same software service it's the.
Speaker 2: Natural endpoint of ce S. It's just like half of
Speaker 2: the ship's never going to exist anyway, so they're just like,
Speaker 2: mah fuck, it is connected to the magic API thing
Speaker 2: and then product please invest.
Speaker 3: I genuinely there is.
Speaker 2: Partly because of where I am in my life. I
Speaker 2: can't do this this year, but maybe next. I think
Speaker 2: I'm just if that they're not going to be here
Speaker 2: next year, But if there are still LM companies next year,
Speaker 2: all I'm going to do is walk up to them
Speaker 2: and do the Radcliffe as we call it. It's like, what,
Speaker 2: what's the point of this? Why do I care?
Speaker 1: And who gives a shit about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who cares? Who cares?
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 2: Who cares? Because honestly, I don't think ninety percent of
Speaker 2: this show can answer that question. Last year, when I
Speaker 2: saw my favorite booth, which was the Korean baseball one,
Speaker 2: where it's just it was like a golf tee thing
Speaker 2: but for baseball, and the guys were like, no, you
Speaker 2: need to step up and hit the ball, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I cannot do it. I will be shipped. And then
Speaker 2: when I finally did, they were like, oh right, you
Speaker 2: can't hit it. I'm like I fucking told you. But
Speaker 2: when I asked him, I was like, it's for people
Speaker 2: that can hit baseballs. I'm like, yeah, I know, and
Speaker 2: like professional baseball players who have their own like mansions
Speaker 2: and chat. I'm like, that makes sense. I could the
Speaker 2: people who played baseball and you want to hit the
Speaker 2: ball at home. And also just it's fun to go
Speaker 2: to a batting cage. Totally this year, it's like I
Speaker 2: went looking for stuff like that. I really wanted, like
Speaker 2: a baseball cage, something like that. I want. I wanted
Speaker 2: something fun. There's a golfing a golfing simulator.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, what happened.
Speaker 2: Let's just golf. It's pretty much.
Speaker 4: I think it's a the you said it heysen, I
Speaker 4: want to say hens. I think it's at a Hecense booth.
Speaker 2: That's nice. There is some it's like a projected.
Speaker 5: Ennis set up in uh in the Venetian Expo. Tennis
Speaker 5: out the middle of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. The idea is like you're sort of
Speaker 3: like tennis coach. It will like, you know, serve very I.
Speaker 2: Just try that tomorrow. Yeah, I'm actually curious about the tennis.
Speaker 3: See that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's good. We like tennis.
Speaker 2: We love tennis.
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of human connection.
Speaker 2: That's great. Tell me, please God.
Speaker 1: I was I had called a cab, so I staying
Speaker 1: at Haras and I had called a cab from Harah's
Speaker 1: to the convention center, and you know, everybody just goes
Speaker 1: down to the little uber waiting zone and there were
Speaker 1: there were a handful of people, and I just kept
Speaker 1: watching car after car drive up, one person get in,
Speaker 1: the rest of us are waiting there, and it just
Speaker 1: felt insane. Yeah, and I think it would have felt
Speaker 1: insane even if I didn't live in New York. But
Speaker 1: living in New York and yeah, and you know, feeling
Speaker 1: so passionate about public transit, I'm like, this really is insulting.
Speaker 1: And I my guy pulled up and I just turned
Speaker 1: to There were two women who were next to me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you do want to get
Speaker 1: in the car with me? We don't have to talk.
Speaker 1: And one of them gratefully accepted, and she was like,
Speaker 1: my uber kept canceling, I kept not being able to
Speaker 1: get a car, Thank you so much. And the other
Speaker 1: woman didn't just looked up, didn't say anything, looked back
Speaker 1: on her phone. I copy that.
Speaker 2: Now there's the New Yorker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, truly, and she I'm not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure that she understood what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying, that's probably more luckily, but this one.
Speaker 1: And I got in the car and we wound up
Speaker 1: riding the whole way I mean, you know, or talking
Speaker 1: the whole way on the ride, and I asked what
Speaker 1: she did. I saw that her badge said Apple. And
Speaker 1: she was saying that she's a buyer for stores and
Speaker 1: she said, I, you know, I didn't used to work
Speaker 1: in tech. And I said, what did you used to
Speaker 1: do and she said, well, I used to be in
Speaker 1: supply chain management and I went, oh that's cool. I
Speaker 1: used to be in supply chain management and she said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to work at Target. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I used to work at Target. She said, oh, I
Speaker 1: was a business analyst and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was a business analyst at Target headquarters in Minneapolis, were you?
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. For two years, For two years,
Speaker 1: all Soda Coke, Pepsy, Doctor Pepper, all subsidiary brands that
Speaker 1: passed through all the eighteen hundred Target stores in the
Speaker 1: country passed through ME, which is insane that they let me.
Speaker 3: A nice twenty one year old queen of soda.
Speaker 1: Queen of soda. I used to say pop until I
Speaker 1: worked Western. Yeah yeah, pop pap. Oh yeah, I have
Speaker 1: some pap. And she you know what's even wilder. She
Speaker 1: uh worked on the snacks desk and I in the
Speaker 1: Snaxt department. And I trained on the cookie cracker desk.
Speaker 1: That's good in the Snaxt department. It just was like
Speaker 1: this very weird small world.
Speaker 2: Did you learn anything about apple anything?
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I was like trying to have I was trying. I
Speaker 1: was like trying to get in a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and I just was like, this is not it's not
Speaker 1: We're really you could have.
Speaker 3: Done a bit.
Speaker 2: You could have been like, well, fruit, just like your
Speaker 2: mouth slayer.
Speaker 1: That's gold.
Speaker 2: I know the thing the thing about having like because
Speaker 2: the Raa of West London I grew up in, I
Speaker 2: can't sound fucking I mean I was about to say,
Speaker 2: I can sound fucking stupid, really obvious. South we would
Speaker 2: go you really, Yeah, he's learning learning, see that one coming.
Speaker 2: Well the fruit, you can just have your mouth.
Speaker 1: I'll find I'll find her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my simpleton friend, line, he's now, oh
Speaker 2: my god, the idea of sharing my Uber with someone anywhere,
Speaker 2: but let alone Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: What was more interesting was the driver wound up talking
Speaker 1: about the driver worked for over thirty years at a restaurant,
Speaker 1: at some restaurant and just got laid off, lost no severance,
Speaker 1: lost all of his benefits. Now he's doing Uber and
Speaker 1: he and he was like, there are no jobs. So
Speaker 1: many people are looking for jobs and everybody's out of work.
Speaker 1: And he said, I just got hired back at the
Speaker 1: exact same restaurant that I worked at for over thirty years,
Speaker 1: but I got hired back at the absolute lowest entry
Speaker 1: level and only for the holiday season, and so I
Speaker 1: don't have any vacation. I can't he said, I can't
Speaker 1: even bump somebody working in the coffee shop. I like,
Speaker 1: he it's it's such an insult. And it was the
Speaker 1: most interesting thing he said. He said, I think people
Speaker 1: in tech think that they are safe from it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she also she was like, she was very sweet,
Speaker 1: but she was like, you know, they should repurpose the workers.
Speaker 2: And I was, oh, I want to fucking I know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, the whole point, literally the point
Speaker 1: of laying off these people is to not have the worker,
Speaker 1: Like the point is to not repurpose the worker.
Speaker 2: And it seems like they are repurposing the worker as
Speaker 2: the worker they had, but then they just pay them there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little confusing. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I think both are happening. And he wound up
Speaker 1: cutting in and he said, I think people in tech
Speaker 1: think that they're safe, but they are not safe. So
Speaker 1: many tech jobs are going to fold in the next
Speaker 1: in the coming years. And he was saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: I is going to take all the jobs. And you
Speaker 1: know who knows.
Speaker 2: He is going to take all the jobs because it's
Speaker 2: going to destroy all the tech companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, Like I think that there
Speaker 1: are going to be a lot of tech jobs and
Speaker 1: he and he was like when when tech people experience it,
Speaker 1: they will not It will take until then for them
Speaker 1: to realize what other people experience.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of what you were saying earlier with
Speaker 2: Matt binda kind of an offhanded company men like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's someone who grew up because the scarcity mindset of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't use this ring enough because it will literally
Speaker 2: die on it. I drop money myself. It's like the
Speaker 2: sense that something can run out and it is weird
Speaker 2: these tech people, especially the AI, this fucking smugness, and
Speaker 2: that comment is probably the most cutting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's also probably the most intelligent thought I've heard
Speaker 2: about the tech industry all week, other than on this podcast,
Speaker 2: because it's like tech people really do think that they're
Speaker 2: insulated from this, Like tech media, they know that they
Speaker 2: can be laid off.
Speaker 5: They're well aware, they well like they Yeah, if you
Speaker 5: work at Meta and you've seen so many people fired Microsoft, Google.
Speaker 2: But you think you're safe still.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really felt like the the you know,
Speaker 1: first they came for the trade unionists, but I was
Speaker 1: not a trade this so I didn't.
Speaker 2: It kind of is It's like this condescension towards actual labor.
Speaker 2: Like I always say, like I can complain about my job,
Speaker 2: but I send little emails, I talk into the microphone,
Speaker 2: and I drink my little drinks like I'm very fucking lucky.
Speaker 2: And I have a good amount of listeners who don't
Speaker 2: like manual labor jobs and working restaurants, and so it's
Speaker 2: like fucking rock stay every people. But it's like if
Speaker 2: you don't speak to those people you are going to
Speaker 2: get into the price.
Speaker 4: The way, the way that labor is completely cut out
Speaker 4: of a convention like this, and you know there's there's
Speaker 4: people people talk about innovators and like ideas and like
Speaker 4: creatives and how like, how like you know, like the
Speaker 4: ideas and creative creative innovation is what is what drives everything,
Speaker 4: And it drives a little bit, it has it has,
Speaker 4: it has a little bit, but you still have to
Speaker 4: do the physical work. You still have to actually labor,
Speaker 4: and often you have to have labor to create the
Speaker 4: conditions that allow people to innovate quote unquote, but that
Speaker 4: perspective no one talks about, like the actual like labor
Speaker 4: part of like all of these things, even like in
Speaker 4: this supply chain stuff, even like the focus on like
Speaker 4: manufacturing this year, the labor is it gets gets completely forgotten.
Speaker 1: It made me wonder what the broad socioeconomic background trends
Speaker 1: are for most people who work in tech. Like it
Speaker 1: made me. It sort of made me feel like I
Speaker 1: got to imagine that some huge swaths of tech, of
Speaker 1: people who work in tech, and I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is me really really really taking up No, this is
Speaker 1: not even necessarily an educated guest. This is just a
Speaker 1: vibe gut, but it feels like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: some hyperponderance of people who work in tech, didn't grow
Speaker 1: up in depressed areas in the middle of the country,
Speaker 1: didn't grow up under the poverty line, didn't grow up
Speaker 1: you know, with some that. I think probably a lot
Speaker 1: of people in tech grew up with some relative amount
Speaker 1: of privilege, even if they're not white, even if they're
Speaker 1: you know, even from South Asian, but maybe perhaps they
Speaker 1: come from a family where there is disposable income whatever.
Speaker 1: And it made me be like, I think, like I
Speaker 1: grew up with that without a ton of money in
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and I'm like, I feel like if I
Speaker 1: was working in it is industry that was potentially hollowing
Speaker 1: out cities or potentially impacting impacting with data centers whatever.
Speaker 1: I think I would always always have in the back
Speaker 1: of my head the people who I who I grew
Speaker 1: up around, the people who I came from.
Speaker 2: I am very lucky in that I didn't grow up
Speaker 2: with money. But my parents work their fucking asses off,
Speaker 2: Like my mom and my dad worked their asses off
Speaker 2: my mom and me and three other children. So imagine
Speaker 2: that and I'm probably not the most normal child. It
Speaker 2: definitely wasn't. I grew up around the corner from prison
Speaker 2: called worm with scrubs and didn't grow up in a
Speaker 2: good area. My mom put food on the table so
Speaker 2: you can ask for And I feel like the people
Speaker 2: who are like we need to build the biggest, most
Speaker 2: huge Stata center to this never had a fucking They
Speaker 2: never missed a Christmas. They never had a Christmas where
Speaker 2: they go. And to be clear, my mom worked or
Speaker 2: ass and my dad worked her ass off. But it's
Speaker 2: like those moments, there was one and it was like
Speaker 2: my I think if my parents felt worse about it
Speaker 2: the night, I'm sorry. If my dad's listening, they do
Speaker 2: not feel bad. Dad, You work your ossof I love you.
Speaker 2: But it's like those moments are what teach you to
Speaker 2: actually have fucking humility and love for others, because there
Speaker 2: is more than just stuff. But the idea of being
Speaker 2: like we can repurpose this workforce really fills me full
Speaker 2: of angry bio because it's like this whole show feels
Speaker 2: at times like a monument against that where it's just
Speaker 2: like we don't solve real problems because you don't fucking experience.
Speaker 2: The Michael in Trader of Corwa doesn't know what fucking
Speaker 2: thing about that person driving UBERA fuck Michael and Tro
Speaker 2: pardon me, I want to write a beep in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it sickens me because it's like
Speaker 2: we're gonna have kul Shnard tomorrow, Las Vegas Son fantastic
Speaker 2: guy for the labor angle tomorrow, because it's it's something
Speaker 2: really missing from here yea. And also I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2: Hearing a guy driving Uber here is saying that restaurants
Speaker 2: are having trouble like a laying off people is actually
Speaker 2: genuinely scary for the Vegas economy specifically because we usually
Speaker 2: I've read about that usually print money here.
Speaker 3: I hear international tourism is down. To figure out why
Speaker 3: something happened.
Speaker 2: Luke Winkle from Winky, I don't remember how to say them, sorry,
Speaker 2: Luke who who wrote a piece of slate like Vegas
Speaker 2: is down, and it's like when that's bad, it's bad.
Speaker 2: We're gonna rotate now from this somewhat grim point, but
Speaker 2: I will. I want to end this point by saying
Speaker 2: something which is important, which is I have more fucking
Speaker 2: respect for anyone who works in the McDonald's or diner
Speaker 2: or the shittiest chip shop in London and any city
Speaker 2: in the world, than I will ever have for anyone
Speaker 2: who works at fucking Google. And if you disagree with me,
Speaker 2: go and work a fucking day in a fucking restaurant.
Speaker 2: I've never done it. I'm lucky enough to never have to,
Speaker 2: but my whole fucking family has. And if you don't
Speaker 2: respect service workers, you're not welcome on this fucking show.
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Speaker 10: You know, it's amazing when you learn about somebody sharing
Speaker 10: a spreadsheet with them.
Speaker 2: No, it's I brought you here straight up to just
Speaker 2: like thank you in front of hundreds of thousands of people.
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Speaker 2: Halloween two thousand and five. I don't know how old
Speaker 2: I was, not I was nineteen at the time. I
Speaker 2: know because I had sex like five minutes before. Wow,
Speaker 2: like a real.
Speaker 1: Like kiss, then sex, no sex then.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, sorry, don't it was months later like
Speaker 2: it was in two thousand and six when I had
Speaker 2: sex for the first time. Yeah, see, I don't give
Speaker 2: a ship like anyway West and welcome to the show.
Speaker 10: Hey, happy to be here a long time, first time
Speaker 10: for a long time, first time and sorry you true
Speaker 10: open eye hater sixteen.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Nice, it was comfortably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is so much said, cool and
Speaker 1: cooler than I would have expected from a man who
Speaker 1: said the sentence, It's amazing what you learn about somebody
Speaker 1: from sharing a spreadsheet.
Speaker 3: Western. Western's the dog.
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh yeah, that's been a long time since.
Speaker 1: Then only one.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's great. I too, and I'm lying if
Speaker 2: never had sex. No, okay, so putting my lack of
Speaker 2: sex aside, we have had to delete Robertsons due to
Speaker 2: issues of national security. So Western, what are you doing
Speaker 2: here at ces? What do you? What are you up to?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 10: I'm a game writer and I'm a copywriter and when
Speaker 10: I copyright, I work in like certain niches that are
Speaker 10: cees adjacent, like gear that content creators use to do
Speaker 10: podcasts and videos and stuff and film production equipment. And
Speaker 10: I've narrowly avoided working cees in my lifetime, like three
Speaker 10: four different times. It's never been and I had the opportunity,
Speaker 10: I was like, well, I should come scope it out.
Speaker 10: And I wanted to see all the amazing gadgets on
Speaker 10: the trade shill floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was a bad year for that.
Speaker 10: Sadly, I do you guys really live like this, Like
Speaker 10: every January, you just come.
Speaker 2: Here and yeah, fucking drag show. The about liquor on
Speaker 2: the show floor sometimes?
Speaker 1: Is that for real?
Speaker 2: Some of the contacts have bars, you know, and did
Speaker 2: you say comdex.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like because that's what used to be.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's I.
Speaker 9: Could see the Mobile World Congress. Wrong. I was there
Speaker 9: the year Angry Birds came out and the Rodeo guys
Speaker 9: rented out like a whole beachside cabana, and every Rovio
Speaker 9: employee I saw at the party they were hosting was
Speaker 9: like blacked out to the new or past the point
Speaker 9: of but that makes a whole company.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. No, but that makes perfect sense because
Speaker 2: for a while they were like, Rovio is going public,
Speaker 2: Rovio is the Angry Birds on the next mavel. Well,
Speaker 2: I guess it would be Disney at the time.
Speaker 9: We're a bunch of like twenty two year old nerds
Speaker 9: who suddenly had like a three hundred million dollar company exactly.
Speaker 2: They win insane. It was like German or something like sweetish,
Speaker 2: like they were like a Nordic nation, maybe the Swedes, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9: No, I mean because I met a couple of Americans,
Speaker 9: but I don't know. It may just have been that
Speaker 9: their team had some I don't Yeah.
Speaker 2: Peter a Storm, friend of the show, My might pay
Speaker 2: that m could drink me to death. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like if it's sweets, I'd be surprised if you
Speaker 2: could see the alcohol.
Speaker 9: But most of what I remember from that party is
Speaker 9: that there was a box of Cuban cigars that they
Speaker 9: just like had on a table and at a certain point,
Speaker 9: I was like, none of these kids smoke.
Speaker 2: They just took them the whole box. Yeah, you looted
Speaker 2: the Angry Post.
Speaker 3: It did.
Speaker 9: Like two and a half hours had gone by and
Speaker 9: no one's touched these fucking I think that Romeo Julietta's
Speaker 9: and I was like, fuck it, I'm taking them.
Speaker 10: So this is my first s Yes, So what you're
Speaker 10: saying is in two thousand and nine they had apps
Speaker 10: like it's just a bunch of phones in a booth
Speaker 10: and you can play.
Speaker 9: Ever's huge because it was a new idea because well
Speaker 9: it was that was the you had your your waves.
Speaker 9: You had like first like smartphones, and to an extent,
Speaker 9: the smartphone and app foam waves at the same time,
Speaker 9: where it was like every other booth is a new
Speaker 9: smartphone or like huge Google used. Google had like this
Speaker 9: massive booth when Google had a year after Andrew came
Speaker 9: or Android came out. Yeah, they had a slide one year.
Speaker 9: It was like three acres because it was like Android
Speaker 9: was like a year or two new. Oh, they were
Speaker 9: used to be so much fun that it was way
Speaker 9: better back there.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the thing that I think is missing
Speaker 2: as well, like putting aside the fact that they're on
Speaker 2: useful stuff.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even feel.
Speaker 2: Like light hot, Like there used to be something dorky
Speaker 2: Like E three in its heyday used to be kind
Speaker 2: of silly and also very sexist in a way that
Speaker 2: was reprehensible and remains that way. LOOE three is dead.
Speaker 2: It's like there used to be a dorkyess through his
Speaker 2: like fuck it where Google whenever fucking slide, like the
Speaker 2: big tractor is the only bit of this place is whimsy.
Speaker 9: Lest One year I went to E three, they had
Speaker 9: like two hundred extras all dressed as North Korean soldiers
Speaker 9: to like from home Front.
Speaker 2: I think it was from Home Fro written by the
Speaker 2: Red Dawn guy.
Speaker 9: Yeah, written by million million two hundred fucking North Korean
Speaker 9: soldiers marching around the It was it was nuts.
Speaker 2: Little North Korean whimsy. But this place is bereaft of whimsy.
Speaker 2: It's like a sexless goon cave. It's just there's just
Speaker 2: it's doing stuff for the sake of doing with no
Speaker 2: level of like self effail.
Speaker 1: Totally, there was no sense of humor.
Speaker 3: It's silly, and you should be silly about this stuff.
Speaker 9: It's not silly. Our pen that has a chatbot on
Speaker 9: it has to succeed against the four hundred other pins
Speaker 9: that have chatbots on it, on the glasses that have
Speaker 9: chat bots on it, and the chat bots that have
Speaker 9: actually three different chat pots if you think about it.
Speaker 2: But no, I think I think the general lack of
Speaker 2: whimsy here is just very sad because the whole thing
Speaker 2: about tech is it should be kind of fun. It
Speaker 2: is kind of especially for something like this, where it's
Speaker 2: like it's ostensibly for consumers, but it's like we're trying
Speaker 2: some shit.
Speaker 7: Ow.
Speaker 2: It's like a concept car, Like I saw a concept
Speaker 2: car for an autonomous vehicle, which is a bit everyone
Speaker 2: does every Like last year Tco makes TVs had a
Speaker 2: concept car and it's like this year I saw one.
Speaker 2: It's also half hot.
Speaker 1: It's now. I will say, what you're describing is tech
Speaker 1: that doesn't fully work, but is like taking a big
Speaker 1: swing with everybody knowing it doesn't fully work. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: all sort of forgive it. That actually describes a lot
Speaker 1: of what we've talked about. The laundrobot that doesn't fold
Speaker 1: find your keys, that doesn't find your keys, But there
Speaker 1: is no there seems to be no feeling of experimentation,
Speaker 1: there's no like.
Speaker 2: They're not big swings.
Speaker 9: Is I think the problem, like something like a laundry
Speaker 9: folding bot is at least like that. That remains a
Speaker 9: high bar for a robot to breach. And so every
Speaker 9: attempt at it, even though the most at least that
Speaker 9: you're trying to do something that we don't really have
Speaker 9: it down. But most of by volume, the vast majority
Speaker 9: of like new shit I saw was you know this
Speaker 9: product that already exists, it's got a chat bot. Now
Speaker 9: you can talk to it. It can transcribe your conversations.
Speaker 9: I saw like a million glasses and rings and pins
Speaker 9: and like a bunch of different individual products that are
Speaker 9: all It has a chat bot. It records your conversations
Speaker 9: it has a translation, right, Yeah.
Speaker 10: The coolest thing I saw today. It sounds like doesn't
Speaker 10: even normally exist at CES, which is an install, like
Speaker 10: an interactive install like out of Comic Con for a movie.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Rebecca Ferguson movie. We're talking about this scene.
Speaker 2: But I saw the booth.
Speaker 10: Mercy now, and it totally fits this because it's dour
Speaker 10: as hell, because it's a dystopian future sci fi where
Speaker 10: an Ai is judge Jerry and executioner for people on
Speaker 10: trial and stuff, and Rebecca Ferguson.
Speaker 2: So like compost the criminal justice system.
Speaker 10: The video that they had so in the booth is
Speaker 10: blacked out like it's a defense booth, like you're at
Speaker 10: a cop show or a military show. And so I
Speaker 10: just see this video playing on the side, and it
Speaker 10: takes a second for me to register that it's Rebecca
Speaker 10: Ferguson in the video and it's not just an ad
Speaker 10: for a real company. So yeah, Mercy coming out January
Speaker 10: twenty third.
Speaker 9: It's it's very fun because you said, uh, that's the
Speaker 9: one with Chris Pratt. When I went up to the booth,
Speaker 9: I asked, like, what is it, and she said, we'll
Speaker 9: look inside, and then I'll tell you and openside and
Speaker 9: it's like a guy in a chair, Well it looks
Speaker 9: like handcuffed in the chairs where it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 9: clearly this is a robots are judging us kind of
Speaker 9: movie or we have an AI judge. So I walk
Speaker 9: out and I'm like, I don't know, is it like
Speaker 9: a game? And she said no, it's a movie trailer.
Speaker 2: And I was like oh.
Speaker 9: She's like, haven't you heard of the movie? And I
Speaker 9: was like, no, you even't heard of Mercy No, And
Speaker 9: she said, well, it's got Chris Pratt in it. And
Speaker 9: I was like, well, okay, that didn't that.
Speaker 1: That did not mean over you're not selling. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Chris Pratt. I think Rebecca Ferguson cancels out Chris Pratt,
Speaker 1: but she loses all of her all of her draw
Speaker 1: is also canceled out by Chris Pratt.
Speaker 2: So it's just a flat line.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I am so neutral. I'm fucking done with things like
Speaker 2: what if AI takes over everything. Make a movie where
Speaker 2: it's like everyone bet on the wrong course, Like make
Speaker 2: something where the dystopia is like societal failure based on
Speaker 2: stupid choices. Yeah, that are not just political or what
Speaker 2: if the AI is so powerful?
Speaker 1: Is ed you'r? Are you saying one of your listeners
Speaker 1: should should fund a movie that I write about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Fuck it, Yeah I can be in that.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 9: The idea I've had that I was thinking about since
Speaker 9: we were doing our episodes on nuclear war is okay,
Speaker 9: you don't have Skynet gain control of the nukes, but
Speaker 9: instead you have the military adopt like an AI program
Speaker 9: that it links a bunch of its our en listening
Speaker 9: stations due to analyze incoming signal intelligence data, right, and
Speaker 9: that errantly says that there's an attack imminent, and so
Speaker 9: the humans decide that they're going to start by firing
Speaker 9: all of the missiles. And it's the job of our
Speaker 9: protagonists to convince all of these generals and politicians who
Speaker 9: are losing their minds over data that over what the
Speaker 9: conclusions of this AI that like, we are not in
Speaker 9: danger and you do not need to fire all of
Speaker 9: the news.
Speaker 3: If you made.
Speaker 2: Mond ian Ucci Death of Stalin, that would be really
Speaker 2: good because mission impossible, The Lost One. If you watch
Speaker 2: this fucking movie, great, If you didn't, it's so long
Speaker 2: and so bad and so I don't know, but it's
Speaker 2: like the entity controls all of the nukes, and it's like,
Speaker 2: who gives a fucking job. I watched that movie the
Speaker 2: whole time. I was just like, I hope they will
Speaker 2: fucking die. Like I'm just like I will these people
Speaker 2: of len Agela Besset, she's all right.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Rebecca Ferguson, movies where somebody has to convince
Speaker 1: somebody to not fire peremptively, right, there is the movie
Speaker 1: that's on Netflix that came out a couple of months
Speaker 1: ago that is pretty much exactly that. But it's not
Speaker 1: it's not exploring AI at all. It's that they pick
Speaker 1: up a signal that that there's a that there is
Speaker 1: something in coming and they can't figure out what it is.
Speaker 1: And that I mean, oh yeah, watch that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the movie that just yes, yeah, And
Speaker 2: Rebecca Ferguson was actually I didn't remember who she was.
Speaker 2: Looked up. She was actually in Mission Impossible, Funal Reckoning,
Speaker 2: And my.
Speaker 1: Fucking boyfriend has a big fucking crush on her, So
Speaker 1: I hate her.
Speaker 2: Stewart, I kind of like her, Stewart, come on the show,
Speaker 2: you very funny?
Speaker 10: What if in your nuke movie? The nukes also had chatbots.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean you got to put because the
Speaker 9: nuketons to be able to tell you like how it
Speaker 9: needs to have a personality.
Speaker 10: It's like like a doctor Strangelow thing, where like every
Speaker 10: Peter Seller's character is a chatpot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs each agent is like you got this,
Speaker 2: you got this, It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 9: It needs to be able to text the like bombardier
Speaker 9: who drops it like, Hey, I just want you to
Speaker 9: let you know that, like I think you did a
Speaker 9: really good job.
Speaker 1: Fly today. Fly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, people are going to be angry for this, but
Speaker 9: you did the right thing.
Speaker 2: It's going to be dangerous, but it's also gonna help
Speaker 2: I do. I think that we're approaching an I and
Speaker 2: UCHI versus far more than anything else at this point,
Speaker 2: where it's just very silly and bad, but not for
Speaker 2: like the nuclear holocaust way. It's just going to be
Speaker 2: like everyone everyone shits their pants at once economically, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's also bad.
Speaker 9: I mean you maybe see some uh looming signs of
Speaker 9: that here with just the number of things that they're
Speaker 9: they're like pulling back on, Like I'm still saying a
Speaker 9: lot of the same claims made about like what's how
Speaker 9: self driving is going to take off, Like what part
Speaker 9: like that car you were talking about, tinsor the world's
Speaker 9: first robocar that the PR lady was absolutely certain is
Speaker 9: definitely coming out in the next year more and it's
Speaker 9: it's it's level.
Speaker 2: For self driving. And I was like, okay, what is
Speaker 2: level for me?
Speaker 9: Well, she said, like a Weimo And I said, well,
Speaker 9: weimos are only allowed to drive in a really small
Speaker 9: set of area. Yes, what about this, because you're kind
Speaker 9: of advertising that you can self drive it whenever you want.
Speaker 9: Is it just you can self drive it if you're
Speaker 9: in downtown San Francisco. And she's like, well, whatever we do,
Speaker 9: it's going to be completely compliant with the.
Speaker 2: Law and safe.
Speaker 9: And I was like, that's simply not an answer about
Speaker 9: where your car can go.
Speaker 2: What are you driving to today.
Speaker 3: On the law?
Speaker 2: Was this a booth person?
Speaker 9: This was a booth person. Now get to be fair.
Speaker 9: So I'm accurate. The car you can also drive it
Speaker 9: has the first storyial that flips out. But I was
Speaker 9: I was asking about, like, well, the self driving stuff,
Speaker 9: because you show it driving in a lot of areas.
Speaker 2: I also feel like self driving at this point, it's
Speaker 2: not a solve problem even remotely. But it's like we've
Speaker 2: seen it. I'm not sure what else you can show
Speaker 2: here unless it's driving you around.
Speaker 9: Keep getting better, it being functional in other.
Speaker 2: Areas, right, but how would you show that in the
Speaker 2: convention floor?
Speaker 9: They have a bunch of methods because a lot of
Speaker 9: the boosts, they'll show you here's what the camera sees,
Speaker 9: and here's like the big thing this year was demonstrating
Speaker 9: here's how much better the sensors are at cutting through
Speaker 9: fog and cutting.
Speaker 2: Right, Which is cool, I give them that stuff.
Speaker 9: Right, but yeah, it's it's not the same as there
Speaker 9: being a bunch of new products. A lot of times
Speaker 9: you're looking at like a disembodied piece of an automobile
Speaker 9: and it's like here's.
Speaker 2: And a bunch of flashing thingies, and it's like, look
Speaker 2: look at all the things we know. Look a cat.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I don't doubt that it's important, But I
Speaker 9: guess what I'm kind of gathering is that like we're
Speaker 9: continuing to slowly figure out this technology and maybe one
Speaker 9: day it'll get there. Before you know, society collapses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the CS trough of dis illusion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: show it's just everyone's just kind of like, yeah, well
Speaker 2: we're still working it out, give me money.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to reiterate is when we
Speaker 1: were talking about the whimsy, the kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: is like it doesn't work and it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: ready for a long time was acceptable when there is
Speaker 1: some kind of self awareness, Yeah, it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: ready for a long time. Yeah, when it is tried.
Speaker 1: When when when a company is trying to pass it off,
Speaker 1: is hoping that you don't ask the question of and
Speaker 1: when will this be available and how much money is
Speaker 1: it and can it do this and can do when
Speaker 1: they seem to sort of be hoping that you just
Speaker 1: buy the ruse, that's when it's frustrating.
Speaker 2: And that's like that was very much you usually reserved
Speaker 2: for like Kickstarter and Indiegogo shit where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're kind of backing something vestigial and like you usually
Speaker 2: wouldn't back the one that couldn't show you something because
Speaker 2: those ones will disappear with your money. But now like
Speaker 2: Nvidia is running things like kickstarts up because you can't
Speaker 2: get refunds or change things, which is so cool.
Speaker 10: You apparently don't have to pay for anything now either.
Speaker 2: We love it folks, but it's it's so strange as well,
Speaker 2: because you, I mean, sure you've got hucks. This ces,
Speaker 2: but there would be a level of mad scientist to it,
Speaker 2: like the LG. Kloyd robot.
Speaker 9: Ah Chloyd, Oh Cloyd, Well, oh Kloyd, Oh Kloyd. Cloyd
Speaker 9: is your new best friend. He's a robot that can
Speaker 9: do your dish is very slowly and also can't really
Speaker 9: do them cat not like well. And he can fold
Speaker 9: some kinds of very simple laundry like towels, again very slowly.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was saying hook he said he couldn't
Speaker 2: fold them properly. It didn't look good at it.
Speaker 9: No, and if you're kind of old and fading, it
Speaker 9: can remind you to eat fruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's name is Cloyd, but Cloyd like not a
Speaker 2: natural thing to say. But the thing is like something
Speaker 2: like Cloyd. They would be like, this is just a concept.
Speaker 2: Like you, Samsung a few years ago just had a
Speaker 2: giant like circle thing you could sit in and it
Speaker 2: had giant screens and they were very much like it's
Speaker 2: the same Sung crazy experience. It's like just some shit
Speaker 2: to show its yes, and everyone went in went like
Speaker 2: cool sat and Sung's fucking around with screens because Samsung
Speaker 2: makes screens. But this was like, yeah, it's the year
Speaker 2: of robots. Yeah, it's the year of robots in your home.
Speaker 2: Well okay, not your home or a home anywhere, but
Speaker 2: this home we built here it kind of doesn't work
Speaker 2: in But what if it did? But it doesn't? Please don't.
Speaker 2: You can't buy it? When can you buy it? It doesn't exist?
Speaker 2: How much is it?
Speaker 9: We work at the video of this robot with the
Speaker 9: woman we got whose hair is like studiously gray, even
Speaker 9: though she she doesn't look like she's about you out
Speaker 9: of her late forties, but we clearly want you to
Speaker 9: think of her as old for the sections where it
Speaker 9: looks like it's a robot for helping an old person.
Speaker 9: But then here's some kids playing it, so you know
Speaker 9: that it's good with kids, because we'd love it if
Speaker 9: families bought it too, But we don't really know what
Speaker 9: people want out of a robot that looks like a
Speaker 9: cross between the robot from a fucking what's what's.
Speaker 2: That eighties movie? Not Wally the one.
Speaker 9: Before wait the decades it's silent running no, no, no,
Speaker 9: fuck the nerdy.
Speaker 2: Batteries not included. No, I will say email if you
Speaker 2: remember the one I'm just imagining my.
Speaker 9: Daily department, it's not a humanoid robots one.
Speaker 2: Yes, Marion, my daily grandmother would have fucking hated these things,
Speaker 2: like just the Also, old people, their brains still fucking work.
Speaker 2: They will feel the condescension of the world's slowest machine
Speaker 2: doing something.
Speaker 3: But on top of it, if they were just.
Speaker 2: Like, here are some shit we're trying now, like we've
Speaker 2: found pistons and like senses, we're trying these new sets,
Speaker 2: I would be fucking like, fuck me up, Like, fine,
Speaker 2: show me the new things you're working on. But it's
Speaker 2: framed as it and there are journalists writing this is
Speaker 2: the ces of robots and you're being fucking played, every
Speaker 2: single fucking one of you.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean there's the there's industrial robots, which like
Speaker 9: it looks like some of them are getting bad. I'm
Speaker 9: not great at it, but like I've seen like big
Speaker 9: robot arms that are like folding paper with a lot
Speaker 9: more dexterity that I used to seeing and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: And I'm saying even like there was a humanoid rubbo
Speaker 9: with hands that was could just do that, and so
Speaker 9: I'll believe that there's some like industrial applications, but so
Speaker 9: much of the show is set on selling the idea
Speaker 9: of a home robot, and none of those look like
Speaker 9: they can do anything useful and they almost be expensive,
Speaker 9: And I don't know why you think people want one.
Speaker 2: I just feel like the CEA who runs this show,
Speaker 2: how is there not like a fraudulent element to this,
Speaker 2: because when most of the show appears to be deception,
Speaker 2: because like I've been to a lot of these fucking
Speaker 2: that they've been coming here since twenty eleven, I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of weird shit that was kind of vestigiou
Speaker 2: and like, Okay, we're working on this, maybe it will happen,
Speaker 2: maybe it won't, but not most of it. And it
Speaker 2: feels like the ultimate end point of just never fucking
Speaker 2: truly holding their feet to the fire and never asking.
Speaker 2: And I keep going back to this clubbing. I know
Speaker 2: I will actually say this just on behalf of me
Speaker 2: and the listeners. You keep saying these derisive things about
Speaker 2: yourself that are incorrect, like oh, it's a layperson.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm stupid, You're not stupid.
Speaker 2: You're asking the questions that the journalists should ask, like
Speaker 2: who cares and it's like, well, who cares? But also
Speaker 2: is this real? Will you ever make it? Does this
Speaker 2: do the thing that you should do? The fact that
Speaker 2: the ca themselves doesn't have this level is disgraceful.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I think they made the decision a long
Speaker 9: time ago that they're in the business of number one,
Speaker 9: providing real estate to these companies. Yeah, they're working for
Speaker 9: the company selling this schluck right, Like that's that's their
Speaker 9: job and it's not even you would think. And I
Speaker 9: think maybe in the past there was a broad understanding
Speaker 9: that part of their job was to ensure that the
Speaker 9: tech industry remained healthy and didn't become what it's turned into.
Speaker 9: But it's been a while since anybody in the business
Speaker 9: world felt like they had responsibility for anything.
Speaker 2: But even then, like this feels like almost the beginning
Speaker 2: of the punishment, because what happens when all of these
Speaker 2: companies with the LLM rappers die, Who's going to pay
Speaker 2: for these fucking boots? Because if there were other companies
Speaker 2: that pay them, they would have paid. I saw a
Speaker 2: fucking chunk of the Venetian or the Palazzo casino closed
Speaker 2: off today because there weren't enough gamblers. Oh pretty gamblers
Speaker 2: aren't here during a business week. What is going on?
Speaker 2: We can't con people from other countries into gambling.
Speaker 1: I did wonder if.
Speaker 9: The people from other countries are visiting as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's probably because there aren't good enough catch.
Speaker 2: I'm joking, joking, Chloe, we you canna say?
Speaker 1: I did wonder if this population is a uh like
Speaker 1: gamble party?
Speaker 2: Yes, population, yes, people. It used to be ces. People
Speaker 2: would come get rip shit, they'd see it, or stand
Speaker 2: at our beautiful craps tables. They'd be they'd be going
Speaker 2: all the hard ways. They'd be doing big six, big A,
Speaker 2: all the dumbest bets. These motherfuckers put so much money
Speaker 2: on midnight, which is twelve on the crab's table. That's
Speaker 2: how you know you have a healthy Vegas when you've
Speaker 2: got some dumb fucks at the craps tables. Yeah, we've
Speaker 2: got empty craps tables.
Speaker 1: This is a bad sign me making really smart bets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what, you've got a system.
Speaker 2: That's why I play. I haven't gambled in years and
Speaker 2: they live here, which is crazy. But no, I'm genuinely serious.
Speaker 2: Something's off, Something is genuinely off.
Speaker 10: So I don't know sorry, Well, I don't have the
Speaker 10: perspective with cees. But I gotta say, I don't know
Speaker 10: how many of the talks and panels you guys went to,
Speaker 10: but I spent a good mont.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 10: Oh I went to the ARIA and the main through
Speaker 10: line that I thought was a little odd because there's
Speaker 10: definitely execs doing doing the lines, playing the hits. You know,
Speaker 10: use AI now or your job is in jeopardy, and
Speaker 10: you know, I know of companies where one hundred percent
Speaker 10: of the AI is written, one hundred percent of the
Speaker 10: code is written. Ryan, here's the And I've heard that
Speaker 10: stuff for years, so it's a little bit like this
Speaker 10: is the same, Like we're still doing this, but there's
Speaker 10: like these little glimmers of things that make me go huh.
Speaker 10: Like the word incremental showed up in like three different
Speaker 10: talks where it's just like, what what does the next
Speaker 10: year mean to you? And it's like incremental. You need
Speaker 10: to you need to be going to your customers that
Speaker 10: are using these tools, you know, in advertising and asking
Speaker 10: for incremental gains. And I'm like, not revolutionary gains, not
Speaker 10: little barn burners going from here to here. There was
Speaker 10: a there was a talk that with the one of
Speaker 10: the guys who runs this spinoff company from tell Us,
Speaker 10: which the Canadian telecommunications company right now, I think, and
Speaker 10: he's like, yeah, we saw one hundred two hundred and
Speaker 10: fifty million in savings, you know, using AI tools. And
Speaker 10: I'm like, all right, what's what's tell US's revenue? And
Speaker 10: that's like, you know, point zero four.
Speaker 2: Eight for I also, sure you did, Sure you fucking
Speaker 2: fucking anything else. I'm going to strap you to one
Speaker 2: of the fucking chairs from saw. I'm going to fucking
Speaker 2: handcuff you to an radiator, and I'm going to have
Speaker 2: Jigsaw extract from you how you save that money, because
Speaker 2: I bet you didn't save a fucking penny with large
Speaker 2: language models, You're lying, sack of shit. It's a specifics,
Speaker 2: get real incremental with a bone saw.
Speaker 9: And the big thing that you're seeing the shift here,
Speaker 9: I think, has been because there's not like previously the
Speaker 9: thing about this was about consumer electronics, and there's always
Speaker 9: been you know, software and apps and stuff, but it's
Speaker 9: been very focused on things that people will use, right,
Speaker 9: and that's what journals are here to report. And I
Speaker 9: was like, here is all these companies' vision of like
Speaker 9: what people want to buy and what they want to
Speaker 9: use and what will delight them and what will be
Speaker 9: useful to them, and a lot more of the emphasis
Speaker 9: since all this AI stuff has come to centralize it
Speaker 9: on is here is a product that will allow you
Speaker 9: to hurt a customer. Here is a product that will
Speaker 9: allow you to extract from people without priding really or
Speaker 9: while that you're sneaking into his service.
Speaker 2: There was a company.
Speaker 9: I went to their booth and got to walk through
Speaker 9: SoundHound AI. Oh fucking Soundundhound. Yeah, And their whole thing
Speaker 9: is we make agents. We make agents for companies. And
Speaker 9: one example they gave him. An agent was like they
Speaker 9: basically an AI doing the job of taking orders for
Speaker 9: burger king right and like taking down orders, and it
Speaker 9: also controlled the menu. And so the first thing that
Speaker 9: they showed the guy demoing it showed with someone being like,
Speaker 9: tell me what burgers are good, and while there was
Speaker 9: a menu up in front of them, instead of looking
Speaker 9: at the menu, asking it, and so it suggested a burger.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I.
Speaker 9: Don't think people will use it that way often. That's
Speaker 9: a weird thing for him to show. But then I
Speaker 9: understood why, because he was talking to this group of
Speaker 9: like three or four people, and he was talking to
Speaker 9: them about how and obviously, you know, Burger King feels like, Okay,
Speaker 9: we have this much stock that needs to get moved
Speaker 9: right now for whatever reason, because it's like close to expiring.
Speaker 9: We can make sure to like really push that to customers.
Speaker 9: Or if we want to sell more, you know, more
Speaker 9: whoppers with cheese, we can. We can push the walk,
Speaker 9: we can we can recommend that to people. We can
Speaker 9: even alter the menu if things are out, or if
Speaker 9: we really want to push certain items. And he said, like,
Speaker 9: for example, if Coke wants to really sell coke vanilla,
Speaker 9: we can start pushing large coke vanillas. You can push
Speaker 9: specific sizes. And I was wondering why they're talking about this,
Speaker 9: because again, people don't use it that way. And then
Speaker 9: they realized all of the gaggle of four people that
Speaker 9: the rep from Soft Town was talking to, I looked
Speaker 9: at their badges. They all worked for Coca Cola, and
Speaker 9: so this was a pitch up them. This is the
Speaker 9: future of ordering at fast food restaurants, and if you
Speaker 9: work with us, we won't push Coca Cola on customers.
Speaker 10: A lot of the marketing in this bubble. Like you know,
Speaker 10: like as a writer, I've spent years watching like creatives
Speaker 10: in Hollywood and games and stuff just feel like they're
Speaker 10: on the back foot because they're being threatened by.
Speaker 2: This marketing way.
Speaker 10: The marketing is not even aimed at them. When somebody
Speaker 10: says you have to learn this or else you're you're
Speaker 10: somebody is going to take your job, that's not actually
Speaker 10: aimed at that person. It's aimed at the investors. Yes, right,
Speaker 10: And that's one of the most inficant bullying, you know.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is Soundham was a basically a
Speaker 2: Shazam competitor. But what's really good about that is Adam
Speaker 2: brought this up yesterday and it's like there is a
Speaker 2: famous tree where it's like every Gemini commercial is wat
Speaker 2: should I eat for dinner? And he goes sandwich and
Speaker 2: they got to holy shit, and it's literally that it's
Speaker 2: literally what what burger do I get? Burger? Holy fucking shit?
Speaker 2: That will be one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 9: And they showed their like their car AI program where
Speaker 9: you can build your own agents in your car, and
Speaker 9: he gave it these capabilities and the demo that he
Speaker 9: ran it on was Oh, my car's making this weird noise,
Speaker 9: and he described the noise and the chat bond the car.
Speaker 9: First said that sounds like it's this kind of problem.
Speaker 9: The average cost to prepare is seven hundred dollars. Do
Speaker 9: you want me to find a place for you to
Speaker 9: get your car repaired? Aliens, Yes, he said, I'll call
Speaker 9: the dealership.
Speaker 2: I've booked.
Speaker 9: I've booked a spot at the dealership while you're there.
Speaker 9: Do you want me to schedule a test drive and
Speaker 9: a new Nissan whatever car? Yes, my wife loves that car.
Speaker 9: And it was all about like, first off, nobody unless
Speaker 9: you're I guess, I'm sure there are like rich people
Speaker 9: one they here, Oh, problem, I'll take it to the
Speaker 9: dealership and pay whatever it costs. Most people are like, okay, well,
Speaker 9: I've got a guy who didn't rip me off too
Speaker 9: bad before. I'm gonna see if he can diagnose it.
Speaker 9: And like, can I but my gym straight to the
Speaker 9: dealer seven hundred dollars? Okay nothing, and like yeah, I'll
Speaker 9: take a test drive. I'm always in the market for
Speaker 9: a brand new car, like yeah, it's just like it's
Speaker 9: just it's all predatory for the person driving the car.
Speaker 9: It's all because everything that got the engineer excited, the
Speaker 9: only stuff you wanted to talk about was and here's
Speaker 9: another place where I'll try to sell you something.
Speaker 2: That's that was it for the AI. The thing is,
Speaker 2: it's like I think the tech industry has become guys
Speaker 2: selling stuff the guys that will not use it. It's
Speaker 2: just companies selling things to companies.
Speaker 1: Numbers.
Speaker 2: You don't need numbers. You don't need to raise numbers
Speaker 2: to do money. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well and that, Yeah, that's the because one of two
Speaker 9: things will be true. Either all of these AI agents
Speaker 9: being integrated into these projects will drive of sales significantly,
Speaker 9: and that will be the new thing advertisers fight over.
Speaker 9: And I'm not I'm not in love with that future.
Speaker 9: That said, it'll probably were better than banner ads.
Speaker 2: We don't think it'll work as I don't think it's good.
Speaker 9: It'll work for a while, at least until they get
Speaker 9: data on whether or.
Speaker 2: Not audit drives open. Aye tried to integrate shopping things.
Speaker 2: We're just going to get onto that. But we're coming
Speaker 2: to the rotation points. We're going to start rotating owls.
Speaker 2: We're going to move on to the final section, and
Speaker 2: I must say this upcoming AT, I don't I.
Speaker 9: Don't know what we're doing under your under your.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that it's now a flawless transition. Upcoming AT
Speaker 2: is probably for a podcast or some product or some ship,
Speaker 2: but I need you to click it or listen to
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you do. I've never I've never heard
Speaker 2: the ads. I don't know what they are. If you
Speaker 2: complain about the ads, please help me. Diane. I'm once
Speaker 2: again in front of a microphone inside the Palazzo Hotel
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, Nevada, and everybody's staring at me because
Speaker 2: they keep saying strange things into the microphone. I'm on
Speaker 2: my eighteenth died coke and feeling more alive than I've
Speaker 2: ever been. Joining me is actress and stand up comedian
Speaker 2: Chlorie Radcliffe for Sadly, our final episode with her.
Speaker 1: Wow, this is it. We've come so far.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the listeners fucking love you and I need to
Speaker 2: bring you back, so they're going to be pissed.
Speaker 1: I'll come back anytime you are.
Speaker 2: And to your left is another person who I need,
Speaker 2: Rob Peggerarro, the tech reporter who has been around for
Speaker 2: a why nineteen.
Speaker 3: Ninety eight was when you start, It's been a minute, Yes, genuinely.
Speaker 2: Multiple people have emailed him, both being like we love you,
Speaker 2: and then one slightly horny person one slight it was
Speaker 2: like Rob Pegerarro SMR. And then to your left is
Speaker 2: Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards and who.
Speaker 9: I have heard two of our names in the room
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 2: So many horny things I've like, no, I mean quite literally,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. But and then okay, we'll just move
Speaker 2: on Robert Evans behind Bustard my.
Speaker 1: Bid, but me, anybody's anything horny about me? I got
Speaker 1: an olive in my mouth.
Speaker 2: You're going to get it. Yeah. I actually have just
Speaker 2: describing this. Chloe just has an entire like one big
Speaker 2: SPI and I said to.
Speaker 3: Phil, that's pretty good.
Speaker 9: It's just there's a Greek man sitting in a room
Speaker 9: that's nothing but jars of olives, going like, all.
Speaker 2: Right, finally, finally podcasts do this. That's yeah, that was terrible.
Speaker 2: I have not done any Greek.
Speaker 1: Do you want to try that one again?
Speaker 2: I know my brain is like I don't know what Greek? No,
Speaker 2: I can't, I truly don't.
Speaker 1: Know, Like is Greek an accent that white people can.
Speaker 2: Do white people in Greek all the time. They're white Greeks. Okay,
Speaker 2: well let's move on from that one.
Speaker 8: A fun bit I I one of my favorite bits,
Speaker 8: one of my first bits I got Europeans really man.
Speaker 8: I read this article that was arguing that okay, like
Speaker 8: Greeks got inducted into whiteness at the end of World
Speaker 8: War two, and I shared it and the person I
Speaker 8: got a bunch of Germans really hated me sharing this article.
Speaker 8: This was around the time they were trying to make
Speaker 8: them pay for their back too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that is Edward on Groiso Junior, the writer
Speaker 2: of the Tech Bubble newsletter and classic staple of the
Speaker 2: Better Offline Experience. We were just talking about white people
Speaker 2: do ces, and I know.
Speaker 1: I see you about why people do racist.
Speaker 2: Accidents white people do.
Speaker 1: They're very fun.
Speaker 2: That's a joke. She is doing a bit. We are
Speaker 2: doing banks with Bandmaxing. No, we were just talking about
Speaker 2: why people do ces. And I've said earlier it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: people do these shows because it's an excuse to get
Speaker 2: people together. That's completely true. I also think that there
Speaker 2: is something kind of magical about ces because you get
Speaker 2: like people just people happen to be here, and if
Speaker 2: you take it for what it is, which is a
Speaker 2: convention center full of bullshit, you can see people like
Speaker 2: everyone's room. I'm really happy to see like everyone. Everyone
Speaker 2: is in different places. Some of them are like Chloe,
Speaker 2: you're in New York, so I see a decent amount
Speaker 2: of rob You're in DC, and Ed, I see you.
Speaker 2: But like people get busy in Roberts in Portland. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's nice to get people together. And yeah, the more
Speaker 2: you suffer, the funny is to talk about it. And also,
Speaker 2: I don't know, this podcast fucking rocks, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of fun to do something weird and different every year.
Speaker 2: I wish there was more on the floor to be
Speaker 2: excited about, though, Ed, what have you been up to today?
Speaker 2: We haven't heard much from you.
Speaker 8: Well, funnily enough, I found that there's this AI voice
Speaker 8: emphasized that they let you do any accent that you wanted
Speaker 8: to do, And I was on the floor some of
Speaker 8: the worst you wasn't good, and it was really.
Speaker 2: Was good at anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I wish you know.
Speaker 1: Because you're like, I'm not the one, Yeah, Robot, I'm.
Speaker 3: No to be clear, this is not real.
Speaker 1: This is just me really yeah, yeah, this is man
Speaker 1: cauld you imagine, but.
Speaker 2: That sounds like prostes. There would just be a line
Speaker 2: out the door of guys just being like guys with podcasts,
Speaker 2: guys with racist podcasts. WHOA, Finally I'm gonna take our jobs,
Speaker 2: like yeah, woke is not back, yeah, because I'm not
Speaker 2: what that's right now? Woke to c yes is gonna
Speaker 2: be fucking great. We were talking about the gender reassignment section.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fucking great. It's gonna be illegal to
Speaker 2: be white for one part of the convention, so that
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fucking great.
Speaker 3: I cannot wait gott to open every day with the
Speaker 3: land acknowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Oh no, a brand acknowledgement, but just for
Speaker 2: like were brands like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, in ages past, black Bear or I AM would
Speaker 9: operate this booth, but.
Speaker 2: At times Tanis would have been here, but they were.
Speaker 2: I do like the Elizabeth Holmes is now doing like
Speaker 2: epic epic posting where it's just like from jail, what
Speaker 2: the posting from jail and beab like illegally, illegally canceled
Speaker 2: for doing fraud.
Speaker 8: Actually you know my My greatest fear about going to
Speaker 8: jail was not being able to tweet. But you know
Speaker 8: this is this is yeah, Now I don't have to
Speaker 8: be afraid of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are a person where I post, that's just
Speaker 2: me at home, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 9: You can launch your own version of fair Noose, which
Speaker 9: is just people mailing you blood and you being like Lucia.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna I'm gonna be the first UH person in
Speaker 8: prison to have a fundraising round on going. Okay, they're
Speaker 8: gonna be clamoring for the I don't know what it'll
Speaker 8: maybe it'll be for I do like an potempkin Ai
Speaker 8: thing that's just like other prisoners and they're pretending to.
Speaker 1: Be the Martin Luther King's from Birmingham. Jim re Ducks
Speaker 1: is like asking for VC, but.
Speaker 8: It's just just beware of the credits and tells you
Speaker 8: that you can't have a VC.
Speaker 2: Fund in prison. Chapter two begins as a chat. But
Speaker 2: I need to reach you this Elizabeth Holmes tweet from
Speaker 2: twelve thirty one, twenty five. So New Year's Eve prisons
Speaker 2: are meant to rehabilitate prisoners and break crime cycles. Instead, Comma,
Speaker 2: they shatter families and make better criminals. It won't break
Speaker 2: me on mine, but watching it happen daily is heartbreaking. Honestly,
Speaker 2: she this fucking rocks. I'm just sorry if you're gonna
Speaker 2: post some prison just being like, I'm not fucking guilty
Speaker 2: of the fraud I obviously did. Fuck you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck yeah, let's just go for it.
Speaker 9: Like I interpreted that differently. I thought she was saying
Speaker 9: prison is meant to like it like breaks people and
Speaker 9: makes them into better and makes them into better criminals.
Speaker 9: That's not gonna happen to me. I'm gonna stay a
Speaker 9: shitty cri.
Speaker 2: If you only knew my real story is so much
Speaker 2: more interesting than the one you have been told. Coming
Speaker 2: soon in twenty twenty six, and that is seven ellipses,
Speaker 2: nothing hidden, nothing left out. The time for the truth
Speaker 2: has come. No one can hide from the light. Woman,
Speaker 2: you did actual fraud. I'm ready for I want to know,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Holmes, you are invited on Better Offline?
Speaker 1: Question? Did are there other people who? Are there men
Speaker 1: who have committed fraud as harmful as the fraud that
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes committed? I'm not denying.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean they made off the guy the
Speaker 9: end rock, but they.
Speaker 2: Didn't get culturally crucified in the same way.
Speaker 1: Right, they have been imprisoned.
Speaker 2: They have been imprisoned.
Speaker 9: Shcreley is the closest to getting that level of like
Speaker 9: early variety. But it also worked out for him a
Speaker 9: lot better than her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he built a
Speaker 9: little bit of a weird brand on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's in DJ now, are right?
Speaker 9: Really that's less slept with them too, which was weird
Speaker 9: DJ allegations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a Bloomberg to ruin her life for Charlie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's had a weird post prison run.
Speaker 1: Are there are there people who have committed fraud at
Speaker 1: a at a harmful level, at a like meaningfully harmful level,
Speaker 1: who have not been who have not gone to prison?
Speaker 2: I mean from DC?
Speaker 3: Where do I start?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean specifically in startups.
Speaker 2: Clinicle, not Clinkle.
Speaker 9: This same way where they are literally starting a company
Speaker 9: on completely false pretenses and raising v.
Speaker 2: I actually disagreed Clinkle. Clinkle was this one where you
Speaker 2: could Clinkle raised maybe a little bit less, but they
Speaker 2: were just this prominent. They were also on the cover
Speaker 2: of Forbes. They were also for some reason, is Clink
Speaker 2: sound based payment things obviously fraudulent. I mean sound based, sounds.
Speaker 1: Like you have money in your pocket, then that means
Speaker 1: we've paid you.
Speaker 2: He was a very damp looking white boys, so I
Speaker 2: know it was a company where you could transfer money
Speaker 2: with like hypersonic. It was bullshit. But that's the thing,
Speaker 2: like that that fuck with didn't go to prison. None
Speaker 2: of the Web three people who never did anything, not
Speaker 2: fucking doodles n FT which ended up backing off NFTs,
Speaker 2: that alex Ahonian, who is a fucking asshole who should
Speaker 2: be crucified for his role in the racism and sexism
Speaker 2: of Reddit. Let alone the amount of Web three bullshit
Speaker 2: up a fucking hill. Putting that aside, he like nothing
Speaker 2: happened to all the Web three people who did a
Speaker 2: bunch of criminal ship, like all of the blatant money line.
Speaker 2: And the question is fucking what is this cz from?
Speaker 2: And he got part's Adam Newman already got fucking three
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars from from Marc Andresen.
Speaker 9: Because there's there's two differences, and we can debate which
Speaker 9: of them is more relevant in her getting penalized much
Speaker 9: more than a lot of other people who did similar things.
Speaker 9: But like one issue is a woman, but the other
Speaker 9: is it was a health company. People like it was
Speaker 9: also cancer is actually fraud.
Speaker 2: It was actually fraught fraud. It was like serious medical fraud.
Speaker 2: He also didn't do anything close we work was just
Speaker 2: a terrible business.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm asking, like, who harmed people to
Speaker 1: the same degree that wasn't well.
Speaker 2: Actually the question with Theano says, I actually, like I know,
Speaker 2: like people had actually diet was very bad.
Speaker 9: Just being clear, I had fucking mortgage backed securities.
Speaker 2: Are a man, and that hurt a lot of people.
Speaker 2: FTX did a lot more damage specifically in Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh no, everyone involved with a great financial crisis, everyon
Speaker 2: who bet on this, And I'm gonna be fucking honest,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, every single company that invested
Speaker 2: in data centers that is going to lead to the
Speaker 2: financial collapse that follows is worse than thernose. Every single
Speaker 2: person who pushed open up or hill is worse than
Speaker 2: thearahnose for what's coming. Yeah, yeah, I'm fucking going for it.
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, but yeah, and they will crucify Sam Altman
Speaker 2: if what I think is happening over there is happening
Speaker 2: where they're misleading investors, which is my personal belief and
Speaker 2: not those of the iHeart Radio Corporation. If that is true,
Speaker 2: Sam Mormons should go to jail if it's true, which
Speaker 2: we do not know. If it is, he probably won't
Speaker 2: because like if he's a white when he absolutely would,
Speaker 2: but would he have been able to raise the money?
Speaker 2: Would they do in this?
Speaker 3: It's but Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: Holmes was like an actual criminal, Like we can't, We're
Speaker 2: not gonna whitewash this. She was an actual criminal who
Speaker 2: like talk with the deep Steve jobsys, which I think
Speaker 2: is a funny thing.
Speaker 1: The voice thing, Okay, I will say.
Speaker 3: This my eternal neck, the whole the whole bit.
Speaker 1: I that is where I think sexism is coloring the
Speaker 1: entire interpretation, because truly, when I speak in a lower voice,
Speaker 1: I get treated differently. And when I speaking of and
Speaker 1: like that. You listen to women who speak in baby voices,
Speaker 1: and we don't say it's fucked up that women speaking
Speaker 1: baby voices, and you run into these women all the
Speaker 1: fucking time, and that's not their natural voice, that's not
Speaker 1: that voice that if they were just left grew up
Speaker 1: in the woods, that they would be speaking with that's
Speaker 1: a performed voice that they that's an identity that they have.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we've got no I won a way thing about this.
Speaker 1: But like, how women are perceived in society is our
Speaker 1: voices are a huge part of it, as as they
Speaker 1: are with men. Think of gay men who sound gayer
Speaker 1: like they get treated differently, right, Like, all of that
Speaker 1: is is part of our performance of power in society,
Speaker 1: or our performance of how power and gender are together
Speaker 1: in society. And so then I do think and like,
Speaker 1: her voice sounds insane. It sounds insane, but I also
Speaker 1: am like that one I fully fun drive.
Speaker 2: Can you tell me more about have you had like
Speaker 2: as a woman, have you had to lower your voice?
Speaker 2: And name what scenarios if you had.
Speaker 1: I have a very low voice, right, I just like
Speaker 1: speak in a very low voice naturally, right. So I
Speaker 1: it's more that I think the inverse is a much
Speaker 1: more common experience where women women baby like tucking baby voices,
Speaker 1: and that is a that is like a relinquishing of power,
Speaker 1: and that is a submissive stance. And for me, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I talk, if I speak to somebody on the
Speaker 1: street or in public, if I'm speaking to a stranger,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, if I talk at that level,
Speaker 1: like people people turn expecting a man.
Speaker 2: Right and to treat And then this is an actual
Speaker 2: thirty Europe joke with that I'm a very sexy baby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the manipulation through No, it's just I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: fucking white guy, like what a wife fucking though. But
Speaker 2: it's like the reason I also is like is this
Speaker 2: a commonplace thing in the white place of woman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it's a commonplace. I don't
Speaker 1: think the voice thing. I don't think speaking in a
Speaker 1: low voice or like a higher voice, even higher voices
Speaker 1: all the time. Like if you start listening to it,
Speaker 1: if there's so many, do you hear it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: weird phony baby voices.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I that the idea that a woman like artificially lowers
Speaker 1: her voice like Elizabeth Holmes did, that's a low is
Speaker 1: very uncommon totally. And her voice sounds insane, Like I
Speaker 1: don't dismiss that she sounds batshit, But it's also like
Speaker 1: what we.
Speaker 2: It's the.
Speaker 1: Thing that drives me nuts, is like that we it
Speaker 1: we will uh, we will find fault in however, a
Speaker 1: woman pays sense right and that when she drives to
Speaker 1: then model after a male presentation in some way, then
Speaker 1: we're like, well, that's wrong.
Speaker 9: But it really was. What really frustrates me is you
Speaker 9: get a lot of people who will point out laughingly
Speaker 9: she was clearly trying to imitate Steve Jobs and the
Speaker 9: way that she dressed, with the turnal like and point
Speaker 9: out like how and how like the style of her
Speaker 9: presentations and what doesn't get brought up much like nearly
Speaker 9: as often in part because people don't like to think
Speaker 9: of jobs or other like heroic figures like tech founder figures.
Speaker 2: This way is the one of the other way she
Speaker 2: aped him.
Speaker 9: His jobs was very famous, not so much at the
Speaker 9: big public announcement level, but like when he was talking
Speaker 9: to investors, when he was putting together ideas with vastly
Speaker 9: over promising right, and part of what he did was
Speaker 9: be incredibly anal retentive about like when a product was
Speaker 9: actually ready. But he had these like very specific, often
Speaker 9: pie in the sky demands for what this thing needed
Speaker 9: to do, how it needed to look, how it needed
Speaker 9: to feel that he would promise could be done before
Speaker 9: they knew that they could do it, and he hired
Speaker 9: good people and Apple was able to square those circles
Speaker 9: Apple was able to produce. But there is a similarity
Speaker 9: with because her attitude was very much similar, which is
Speaker 9: what I need to do is make the promise, and
Speaker 9: I need to esthetically make the case of how this
Speaker 9: is going to look and feel and what it can do.
Speaker 9: And as long as we can get enough money doing that,
Speaker 9: we can brute force the having a real product thing.
Speaker 9: And it's not exactly the same thing, but it's close enough.
Speaker 9: Because almost every founder at some point relies on I
Speaker 9: don't fully know that what I can do meaches what
Speaker 9: meets what I am selling to the people who are
Speaker 9: investing money, and I don't fully know that the product
Speaker 9: that I am promising them I'm really going to be
Speaker 9: able to deliver, especially for the costs that I'm promising them,
Speaker 9: and that fundamental reality of how all this works. They
Speaker 9: gets obscured a lot because it's not It makes it.
Speaker 9: It makes it sound like gambling, and in a lot
Speaker 9: of ways it very much is.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the difference. I mean, there is a
Speaker 2: difference in that theirnise did not exist. But what you
Speaker 2: just described is large language models like it literally is it.
Speaker 2: It's look this thing fucking sucks and it doesn't do
Speaker 2: what you want it to. But what if we spent
Speaker 2: more money than anything that's spent ever, ever, forever. What
Speaker 2: if it became something completely different and people will try
Speaker 2: and differentiate because Okay, the first step with Theronise is bullshit.
Speaker 2: They just sent it the lab Corp. They didn't even
Speaker 2: have the beginning steps. That fucking sucks. But Samulman does
Speaker 2: not have the first steps to agi fucking warry, I
Speaker 2: Amma Day doesn't have the first steps to a fucking
Speaker 2: shit in a hole in the ground like they're all doing.
Speaker 2: Only a few steps from thernos, and they will be
Speaker 2: colored very differently that they were just innovators risking. If
Speaker 2: you end up writing that when this ship pops, you're
Speaker 2: a mark in the same way that every single person
Speaker 2: who covered Therhnose was because it's the same shite.
Speaker 9: There was.
Speaker 2: There was a real good reporter at the journal that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Several years after all the major articles came out. John
Speaker 2: Carrier was several year twenty fifteen, I think that came out.
Speaker 2: There were Theronose articles for years, and there was several
Speaker 2: blogs before Carrier rou that were like, hey, I looked
Speaker 2: at the science. None of this made sense. It seem
Speaker 2: like it can work. Yeah, and carrier Row did and
Speaker 2: typically he did incredible reporting, a really great job. But
Speaker 2: it's like there were very few people who did. And
Speaker 2: I think it's I think when Sam Mortman gets crucified
Speaker 2: as I expect Evangelian style, it's not going to be
Speaker 2: the same way, and it will. I think everyone needs
Speaker 2: to pre prepare for if you want to frame this
Speaker 2: as the innovator is dilemma. Oh, you know, just he
Speaker 2: was just trying something that is not a fair way
Speaker 2: to look at it because there was never a guidance
Speaker 2: point from that wherever agi bullshit happens.
Speaker 9: It's also fundamentally really bad for innovation. Like the big
Speaker 9: frustrations for me today was walking past probably a cumulative
Speaker 9: acre or two of different home robots. This is a
Speaker 9: robot servant. This is a humanoid robot that you can
Speaker 9: have due tasks for you. You can haven't watched your kids,
Speaker 9: you can have it. Take watch take your pets out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: Here we've got one and we've got a robot dinosaur
Speaker 9: and they're trying to get passed each watch him. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I was kind of like yeah, there's some of it's cute,
Speaker 9: some of it's There were a lot of like humanoid
Speaker 9: robots that were like like awkwardly strung up like they
Speaker 9: were on a gibbet to keep them standing, because like
Speaker 9: when they were either they couldn't they'd broken, or they
Speaker 9: would stay up on their own power. Like I wasn't
Speaker 9: sure exactly what was happening there. But in the middle
Speaker 9: of all that, I come up, like after like an
Speaker 9: acre or two of this stuff, I come across a
Speaker 9: little booth where it's like two guys at like a desk,
Speaker 9: maybe two desks, and they've got just like a couple
Speaker 9: of like stringy looking little like fabric tubes hanging and
Speaker 9: then a couple of little like gizmo's on the table.
Speaker 9: And I go up and I ask, like what it is.
Speaker 9: And it's a photonic muscle, is what they're calling it.
Speaker 9: And the way it works is I'm pulling up the
Speaker 9: picture right here. Ara a Flex is the company, and
Speaker 9: it's a photonic muscle. And you have these little bundles
Speaker 9: that look kind of like this, and each of these
Speaker 9: bundles has an led light in it, and there's like
Speaker 9: a kind of fiber or something inside it, and when
Speaker 9: the light turns on, it causes that that fiber to
Speaker 9: contract in a way that mimics a motor or functions
Speaker 9: the same way as a motor, and so you can
Speaker 9: put them in devices. And the example they had was
Speaker 9: there this this device that's like a I think, like
Speaker 9: you call like an intake thing on like a car
Speaker 9: right where you need these little flaps to open, and
Speaker 9: the flaps open and close by the use of these
Speaker 9: and they take up like half as much space as
Speaker 9: a motor would take because instead of a motor you
Speaker 9: have these little like synthetic photonic muscles that are much lighter,
Speaker 9: much less space, fewer moving parts.
Speaker 5: It's the chance to see stuff like that, which is
Speaker 5: why I keep coming back, and yet I miss this
Speaker 5: company because there's a lot to take in.
Speaker 9: There, and you you have to walk past again. All
Speaker 9: these these companies that have put how many god knows
Speaker 9: how many hundreds of millions of dollars into humanoid robots, most
Speaker 9: of which never have a chance really of establishing themselves,
Speaker 9: and very like basically none that I saw outside of
Speaker 9: like the ones meant for specific manufacturing uses, seemed like
Speaker 9: they had a creative or intellectually interesting reason or solved
Speaker 9: a problem, and that so vastly outnumbers and funding and attention.
Speaker 9: They like somebody made a muscle with light. That's kind
Speaker 9: of that's kind of sweet.
Speaker 2: The problem is is like the idea a robot that
Speaker 2: does one thing is not what people expect from a robot.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to have one robot that is just a
Speaker 2: person a slave. Just let's just let's just cut straight
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 5: LG's whole saleswitch was the zero Labor Home, which I
Speaker 5: mean like big if true, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it's from some lave.
Speaker 9: Didn't you see the Cloyd.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's uh your keys willing servant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's pretty fruit.
Speaker 1: It's demented that it is what people want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a slave. It's you either want a completely
Speaker 2: faceless machine. And I'm sure I want to make.
Speaker 11: Sure is the is the black guy, Like come on,
Speaker 11: that's the guy.
Speaker 2: You know you can't see.
Speaker 8: But I got some hotel rings on, so I know
Speaker 8: something about slaves.
Speaker 1: I know something, you.
Speaker 8: Know in my newsletter I wrote it, there's this essay
Speaker 8: a that was talking about how the roots of automation
Speaker 8: are go back to slavery, right, so part of the
Speaker 8: part of the the thing that developed the impetus for
Speaker 8: automation is that, you know, you had the abolition of slavery,
Speaker 8: and you had the British Empire being like, oh my
Speaker 8: fucking god, how are we going to keep you know,
Speaker 8: plantations are incredibly profitable. How are we going to keep
Speaker 8: these sort of profits because they're also integral to our
Speaker 8: empire and like for funding our navies and fielding our armies.
Speaker 8: And so the idea was like, okay, well, you have
Speaker 8: to make the factory resemble a plantation as much as possible.
Speaker 8: And I think most people when they think of plantations,
Speaker 8: they think like, okay, you know it's outside, disorganize a
Speaker 8: little bit, you have an overseer. But they were like
Speaker 8: very highly regimented, and they developed very specific methods of
Speaker 8: extracting and terrorize as much labor as possible and terrorizing people.
Speaker 8: And so the automation that was developed by this guy,
Speaker 8: Charles Babbage was like an attempt to do early divisions
Speaker 8: of labor and create machines that would be able to
Speaker 8: you know, self surveil workers or workers would be able
Speaker 8: to help avail themselves or quantify their work or divide
Speaker 8: it into pieces like some of the very foundational theories
Speaker 8: of how labor should be organized going into okay, well,
Speaker 8: how do we get a non human along a division
Speaker 8: of labor where we're separating as much work as possible
Speaker 8: to discrete repeatable, substitutable parts, you know, which we already
Speaker 8: designed to resemble slavery? How do we get that in
Speaker 8: this like embodied thing that is also just happens to
Speaker 8: look like a person without a face, that's we want
Speaker 8: everywhere in the house.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: I feel like the heart and the soul of it
Speaker 8: does link back to it, and it goes back even further, right,
Speaker 8: But I think then also the other question is like
Speaker 8: how much do you think this is also colored by
Speaker 8: experiences maybe some of these people have where you know,
Speaker 8: they're they're like, yeah, why shouldn't I, you know, why
Speaker 8: shouldn't I have a person or a thing in my house?
Speaker 8: And how can I convince other people to do it?
Speaker 8: If only by having a robot do it?
Speaker 2: And I think that there's well, there's two parts of that.
Speaker 2: It's one they might have hired help and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: I have to pay some fucking piece of shit human
Speaker 2: Jesus Corst. But also there is I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a division in automation with some people where there's some
Speaker 2: people where it's like I see this asn't as a
Speaker 2: kind of as like an amplification of who I am,
Speaker 2: like like an extra arm, like an arm that moves
Speaker 2: one thing to one thing, which is not a thing
Speaker 2: I command, But it's just a thingy that does an
Speaker 2: action that's not a sexy thing you can raise funding on.
Speaker 2: You can't be like I got an arm that moves
Speaker 2: the thing from a thing, which is most industrial machinery.
Speaker 2: It's just like repeating one task again and again and again.
Speaker 2: The reason that replaces humans is that's a repetitive action.
Speaker 2: It fucks up humans. But it's not about the subjugation
Speaker 2: of a person. It's an action. It's not about controlling someone.
Speaker 2: It's about making a thingy happen. Then there are the
Speaker 2: people who are like, wouldn't it be awesome if every
Speaker 2: fucking whim I had was perfectly solved and I could
Speaker 2: order someone to quote Adam kind of a fear say,
Speaker 2: don't know the way I like it, And it's this
Speaker 2: idea of this bought yesterday. Oh we can do the
Speaker 2: TikTok daunce. Why do you want someone to dance for you?
Speaker 2: That's a fucking peculiar instinct.
Speaker 9: Part of what's so difficult, though, is that these are
Speaker 9: it's it's a version of the same problem that you
Speaker 9: have with a lot of like genetics and like fertility
Speaker 9: and technology. Right, where do you want to make sure
Speaker 9: if you can find out in the womb that a
Speaker 9: child's going to be born with its lungs outside its
Speaker 9: body and you can just kind of snip that out
Speaker 9: so the lungs are inside the body, do we want that?
Speaker 9: Everyone's pretty much like, oh, yeah, that's probably good if
Speaker 9: kids have lungs. Yeah, do you want to be able
Speaker 9: to tell if someone has autism and snip that whoa
Speaker 9: suddenly suddenly or any of the other horrible eugenics questions? Right,
Speaker 9: So everyone's like, yeah, there's certain things we want to
Speaker 9: be able to do with genetics technology. But if you
Speaker 9: say this is okay, all people are going to start
Speaker 9: immediately pushing for all and like drawing a line is
Speaker 9: something that like the fact that you're drawing a line,
Speaker 9: it means there's going to be strong lobbies of people
Speaker 9: pushing for stuff that is really bad, right, And with automation,
Speaker 9: everyone's like, like, I saw a product today that's one
Speaker 9: of a I've seen a couple like this where it's
Speaker 9: a big basically like a big cart on wheels that
Speaker 9: can go off road and can be fully autonomous and
Speaker 9: you can set here's where wounded guys are gonna be,
Speaker 9: here's where the hospital is, drive up to the front line,
Speaker 9: people throw a wounded guy in, drive to the to
Speaker 9: the medical good. Right, And you don't necessarily like it's
Speaker 9: better if a robot does that, because people can get
Speaker 9: blowed up, right if you can have and so. And
Speaker 9: there's also like, obviously I'm sure we all have individual
Speaker 9: pain in the ass tasks that were like, well, yeah,
Speaker 9: I'm I finally have a robot washes my dishes. Like
Speaker 9: but once you once you're saying, well, we do want
Speaker 9: to automate some stuff, you're having then a conversation where
Speaker 9: is the line? And right now everything's on the table,
Speaker 9: including like the creation of like art and beauty and
Speaker 9: the raising the children.
Speaker 2: The stuff when we're not working basic cognition.
Speaker 9: And that's the fact. But you can't if you're going
Speaker 9: to talk about some of it. All of it's going
Speaker 9: to be on the table at some point, and right
Speaker 9: now it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's what's the other thing right where
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, to your point, there's automation that
Speaker 8: saves you labor and enhances productivity around the home, you know,
Speaker 8: and around certain workplaces that reduces the drudgery of tasks
Speaker 8: we have to do. And then there's automation that is
Speaker 8: deployed in a way to squeeze as much as possible
Speaker 8: out of people beyond what they might in of themselves
Speaker 8: want to do if they had control over to what
Speaker 8: degree am I going to augment my workplace or myself
Speaker 8: with this stuff?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: And I think that ends up also being the line
Speaker 8: with a lot of these technologies where it's like, you know,
Speaker 8: how if we were designing genetic technologies, if we were
Speaker 8: designing you know, assistive automation or assistive artificial intelligences and
Speaker 8: grafting them onto our lives, I feel like the points
Speaker 8: in which we would let them and not let them
Speaker 8: look different than what your concerns and interests are. If
Speaker 8: you're like, Okay, well I'm looking to get a return
Speaker 8: or I'm looking to organize the workplace in a certain way,
Speaker 8: or I'm looking to just meet a very specific need
Speaker 8: and this or that context right in a battlefield and hospital,
Speaker 8: you know, in a public space. So I think so
Speaker 8: I you know, part of this is, like you know, downstream,
Speaker 8: the consequence of the fact I feel like we're almost
Speaker 8: all technical decisions have nothing to do with what anyone
Speaker 8: other than these private investors.
Speaker 1: I mean a thought that I have had this whole
Speaker 1: last few days is what does it mean to be
Speaker 1: optimized or to have your life optimized? What is the
Speaker 1: actual outcome of that? What are we optimizing for? And
Speaker 1: if the optimization is we're going to remove all of
Speaker 1: the annoying tasks so you can enjoy life, that sounds
Speaker 1: like an awesome answer, I can totally get behind on
Speaker 1: the ground that's not that doesn't seem to be what
Speaker 1: any of the products Like.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of something very simple, which just
Speaker 2: like I'm lucky to live a really good life. And
Speaker 2: the reason I ken is I have a I have
Speaker 2: a washing machine and a dryer that works really well,
Speaker 2: and I have a good dishwasher. Like it's like yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's like the shit that sucks, isn't it? Like
Speaker 2: I can afford to use uber I can get around
Speaker 2: like a fifty dollars dishwasher that's really good, feels like
Speaker 2: it would be more innovative than anything on this floor,
Speaker 2: because most people can't afford to have a good one.
Speaker 2: Like the things that get in the way of existing
Speaker 2: are labor, as in having to do your horrible fucking
Speaker 2: job that doesn't pay you enough, or the shitty like
Speaker 2: how the fuck do you look after the children you have?
Speaker 2: They aren't really there's not really tech. You can't buy
Speaker 2: more time unless you have actual labor help, yeah, which
Speaker 2: requires more money, and you can't really replace that with
Speaker 2: a robot because the reason they need an every man
Speaker 2: robot is because problems are complex. The problems of even
Speaker 2: dishes are complex.
Speaker 1: And decision making is exactly you.
Speaker 2: Know what that is exactly it. It's like, it's not the
Speaker 2: problems themselves, it's the decisions around them, I mean.
Speaker 9: And that's why the most responsible technologies at cees stick
Speaker 9: to doing the things where there's no real downside if
Speaker 9: it's not too perfectly like raising children, which I saw
Speaker 9: a really good child companion robe today, which I look
Speaker 9: for at every one of these I love.
Speaker 2: But yes, oh I wasn't sure where you going back?
Speaker 9: No, there, So there was a really good one that
Speaker 9: it's one of my favorite CS categories where it's like
Speaker 9: Southeast Asian tech company marketing to Americans that doesn't fully
Speaker 9: understand our culture. And so the they have like a
Speaker 9: whole they have a set of bleachers erected and like
Speaker 9: fifty of these like little robot dolls sitting in them.
Speaker 9: I'll show you, guys, but they're like they're all wearing
Speaker 9: like sleeveless shirts and yeah, yeah, they're all wearing sleeveless
Speaker 9: shirts and like little beanie hats basically like that have
Speaker 9: the name of the robot on it, which is.
Speaker 2: Booster or is it Booster? Yeah, it's Booster.
Speaker 9: But then in front they had one robot that was
Speaker 9: dressed differently and I didn't realize at first it looked
Speaker 9: like it had like a suit and a black hat on.
Speaker 9: And then the video starts playing and I realize that
Speaker 9: fucking robot is Michael Jackson and it's dancing to Billy
Speaker 9: Jean alongside what I believe is a kid.
Speaker 3: I know exactly, and it was well that did happen?
Speaker 9: Could not get across of them, Hey, guys, maybe Michael
Speaker 9: Jackson is not the best robot mascot for a children's toy.
Speaker 9: But immediately what I got to show you, guys, and
Speaker 9: this is what I was telling you.
Speaker 2: We might cut this in.
Speaker 9: We might justly I want the reaction. This is what
Speaker 9: happens in that video immediately after it's the robots dance,
Speaker 9: So this is right after Billy Jean.
Speaker 2: That is identical to the way.
Speaker 3: So weird.
Speaker 9: What happens in that video, the instant that finishes doing
Speaker 9: a like dancing to Billy Jean while like moonwalking, there's
Speaker 9: immediately a man runs into another version of the robot
Speaker 9: and starts beating it with a wooden stick, which then
Speaker 9: switches to a guy putting cinder blocks on top of
Speaker 9: it and smashing it with a fucking mallet. And then
Speaker 9: right after that dude comes in with a liquor bottle
Speaker 9: and shatters it over the robot's head.
Speaker 2: If you are protecting your children from the homeless from the.
Speaker 1: Robots, like, what else does that saying? I let the
Speaker 1: robot stands up after you.
Speaker 2: You can't do it, you can't. I love that because
Speaker 2: it looked almost identical to those things. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you remember the modeling experiment, like the regularly disproved
Speaker 2: thing about how children will copy anything, and it's just
Speaker 2: children hitting a clown with a stick and it looked identical.
Speaker 2: It's the same fucking thing that c Yes, baby, just
Speaker 2: like I want to be in the room. When they
Speaker 2: were recording that, it's like, hit it again, hit it again,
Speaker 2: get a liquor, get a liquor bottle, fuck it up.
Speaker 1: It was unclear.
Speaker 2: I'll do that for free.
Speaker 9: What the selling point? Because it goes from it can
Speaker 9: dance like Michael Jackson. You can beat the shit out
Speaker 9: of it and it's fine. It'll walk with your little
Speaker 9: girl and help her learn languages. It's like quizzing herd.
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 9: And I kind of think maybe they just sort of
Speaker 9: incompetently realize something that is a brilliant idea, which is
Speaker 9: if you if you mark it and build a robot
Speaker 9: entirely on terminator to logic, yell, you just show that
Speaker 9: this robot can't be killed. It's loyal to your child,
Speaker 9: it'll never get drunk in hit them, It'll never not
Speaker 9: come home after staying out late at the bar at night.
Speaker 9: You know, like the whole state, the whole Sarah Connor
Speaker 9: speech from T two.
Speaker 5: For you note, I did not see any robots built
Speaker 5: out of liquid metal, but I mean I missed some
Speaker 5: corners of the vation expos so maybe that's a south.
Speaker 8: I want the AI bubble burst will get to what
Speaker 8: we really need to get to, which is building terminators.
Speaker 2: All right, as we approach the end of this, Chloe Radcliffe,
Speaker 2: what do you think of cees.
Speaker 1: Just it's I mean, truly, I go back to numbers
Speaker 1: you don't need. Yeah, I go back to so what
Speaker 1: does that? Do you know? What's funny? Or so who
Speaker 1: gives a shit? It's it's so unnerving to think about
Speaker 1: how how much of our society feels like there's no money, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then to come to a place where there is
Speaker 1: all the money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's that that I think is distributing to.
Speaker 3: An AI industry conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah totally. And And like I work in entertainment,
Speaker 1: and such a common refrain in entertainment is like, ah,
Speaker 1: we just don't have the budgets to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: We used to have those kind of budgets and we
Speaker 1: don't anymore. And I'm like, there is money fucking slashing around,
Speaker 1: hitting the sides, coming out people's noses, like there is
Speaker 1: so much money and it's infuriating to me that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a very narrow view right now.
Speaker 2: I actually push back, You're not, You're taking a very.
Speaker 1: Reasonable but here here the narrow, the narrow part of
Speaker 1: the view is like I'm putting aside the fact that
Speaker 1: it's infuriating that people are living very difficult lives amidst
Speaker 1: all this money floating around. But but like even I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking about my job. You know, it's like in
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, the fact that there is relatively little money,
Speaker 1: that money is tight, and I'm like, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: also it's it's especially relevant. Sorry. And then a second,
Speaker 1: it's especially pertinent in entertainment because so much of entertainment
Speaker 1: is now owned by the thing that owned the tech
Speaker 1: where all the money lives. And so I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck do you mean there's no money in entertainment?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 9: You couldn't be more right, because like number one, like
Speaker 9: the other thing is that it's entertainment makes as much
Speaker 9: money as ever, it's not no longer making money. But
Speaker 9: like you said, the companies that now own all of
Speaker 9: these fucking are taking those profits and they're currently pouring
Speaker 9: them into the ship that you're seeing on the broken
Speaker 9: shit on the floor here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when all of this is dead and bleeding
Speaker 2: on the floor, you're gonna give it to Chloe Radcliffe.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap here. And I just want to say,
Speaker 2: on behalf of all the listeners and myself, thank you, Chloe,
Speaker 2: thank you for joining It be honor. I've had a
Speaker 2: hard join us next year. Yeah, it's been a genuine
Speaker 2: pleasure to have you. Wecon peoplefined you.
Speaker 1: I am at Chloe badcliff on all platforms like my
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