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Speaker 1: and by reaching for these you know, most attention grabbing details,

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Speaker 1: I think they really have undercut the seriousness of the day.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I think it's a tremendous disservice

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Speaker 1: to I mean, they hung her around to dry now

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Speaker 1: and she's in a very difficult situation. Now we'll see

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Speaker 1: what comes out. Like I think these guys will probably

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Speaker 1: testify under oath. We'll see what they have to say.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the committee has saw other like detailed they're not

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Speaker 1: sharing with us. But Jamie Raskin Congressman Jamie Roskin got

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Speaker 1: asked by Jake Tapper who pressed him pretty hard on

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Speaker 1: you havnything to corroborate this, and he basically is like no, yeah.

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Speaker 1: He said, so you're saying this is hearsay, And he said, oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: you said yeah, pretty yeah exactly. So look, I think

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Speaker 1: this as a country, we should not be subjected to

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Speaker 1: this type of idiocy. And the entire point of the

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Speaker 1: committee was there, like we're going to take this seriously.

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Speaker 1: It's not a Parson witch hunt. We're just going to

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Speaker 1: lay it all out, the facts of the day, all

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Speaker 1: of that, like kind of what a nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: commissioner or whatever was supposed to do. And now they've

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Speaker 1: blown they've blown it. You know what they did is

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Speaker 1: they showed us that it is exactly partisan, that it

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Speaker 1: is exactly what some of our biggest critics are going

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Speaker 1: to be. As you said, you know, if you were

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Speaker 1: on Fox and you see this, you're like, well, why

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Speaker 1: should I trust any of the witnesses before. It's a

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Speaker 1: shoddy procedure. It shows that they just wanted the headlines.

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Speaker 1: They did themselves a disservice. They did this woman a disservice.

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Speaker 1: I think they did the agent's also a disservice by

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Speaker 1: not actually airing like the full picture because they have

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Speaker 1: these guys on video having testified under oath. They should

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Speaker 1: have played it and be like, here's what the guy

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Speaker 1: said before. They were impressed on this detail. Here is

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Speaker 1: the exact timeline. But we know what they wanted. They

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Speaker 1: wanted the TV slot, they wanted the headline. And you

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Speaker 1: know the journalists are all out there now saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: even though it's hearsay, it doesn't matter. It matters, like

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Speaker 1: it matters. I'm sorry that's what you guys went with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went on the Washington Post front page. Yeah, right

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Speaker 1: after I saw ten headlines about this ted not the

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Speaker 1: front page, five different op ed pages, and then various

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Speaker 1: explainers about why it was also important. Don't try and

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Speaker 1: gaslight me and tell me that you guys weren't making

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Speaker 1: this the biggest thing on the planet that is I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was the most shocking detail. Of course, people who

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Speaker 1: are going to run with what was the most shocking

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Speaker 1: new piece of information. But again in terms of Trump

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Speaker 1: being damaged and his culpability, the fact that he knew

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Speaker 1: that there were you know, people had weapons, that he

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Speaker 1: didn't care, you knew they were not there to quote

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Speaker 1: hurt him, and that he wanted to go to the capitol,

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Speaker 1: those are the kind of key pieces of information. And

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Speaker 1: then again that he did not he was very reluctant

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Speaker 1: and basically had to be threatened with the twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: Amendment to come out and say like, Okay, everybody go home,

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Speaker 1: You're very special. I love you. Whatever he said. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but but yeah, no doubt about it. They

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Speaker 1: completely they very much undercut. Would it could have been

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Speaker 1: a much more impactful day by not doing the basics

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Speaker 1: and taking their time to make sure they had the

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Speaker 1: sort of key details of the story lockdown, no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. At the same time, I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: it is interesting who might benefit from this, because as

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Speaker 1: I was saying, there's not going to be the walls

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Speaker 1: aren't closing in on Trump, you know, the there's not

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Speaker 1: going to be this huge like the basic opens their eyes.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I had no idea this guy was terrible.

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Speaker 1: But are you going to see a kind of like

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a walking away, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a maybe we should look at other alternatives in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, or maybe this isn't our best bet

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Speaker 1: for the future. Yeah, I think you could potentially see that.

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Speaker 1: And so probably the primary beneficiary of the January six

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Speaker 1: hearings may end up being Florida governorro On DeSantis. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: The very interesting poll that you found Crystal from Immedia

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Speaker 1: that they went ahead and wrote up from Yahoo News

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Speaker 1: and Yugov And here's what they asked, which you'd rather

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Speaker 1: see as the Republican nominee for president in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four among registered voters. Again, this is registered, they had

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Speaker 1: forty five percent preferred Trump while thirty six percent DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: But for Trump in a primary poll, it is the

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Speaker 1: closest anyone has gotten yet. And DeSantis actually came within

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Speaker 1: a point of Trump in a poll commissioned recently by

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Speaker 1: a new superpack, which showed him exactly one point behind

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Obviously, you pair that with the new Hampshire

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Speaker 1: poll that we brought you all a little while ago,

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Speaker 1: which actually showed DeSantis either tied or beating Trump in

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Speaker 1: that primary state, which is dramatically important and it does

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Speaker 1: raise a lot of questions. It also points back to

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Speaker 1: what you said, which is that the people who watched

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Speaker 1: the jan six committee coverage said that they would prefer

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Speaker 1: or Desantos. Now it's time for all the caveats. How

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Speaker 1: many Republicans are really watching the January sixth Committee hearing. Also,

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Speaker 1: as we've all learned, registered voters are not always the

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Speaker 1: likely voters, and Trump's superpower, for good or for ill,

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Speaker 1: while he's been in politics, has been to draw in

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Speaker 1: millions of people who do not are not engaged in

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Speaker 1: the normal political system. They're not normal Republicans. They call

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Speaker 1: themselves Trump Republicans. Some of them are registered Democrats, some

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Speaker 1: of them have not voted in twenty five years. That's

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Speaker 1: always been his big major draw in politics, drawing people

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Speaker 1: out of the woodwork that had never really been inside

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Speaker 1: of traditional polling. Part of the reason actually why I

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Speaker 1: don't really trust a lot of polls that include Trump

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Speaker 1: and them, just because every poll we've ever seen on

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Speaker 1: him has always not just been wrong, but dramatically wrong,

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Speaker 1: from state by state to the national poll. They've always

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Speaker 1: underestimated his appeal and his ability to draw votes out.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I never count the guy out. And

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Speaker 1: to the Jan six stuff, I always this is what

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Speaker 1: I would say. I wish we lived in a country

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Speaker 1: where a lot of this stuff mattered, but we found

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Speaker 1: out all the hard way. I think for some and

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Speaker 1: for some of the good way that a lot of

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. When it comes to electoral politics, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people will forgive a hell of a lot or

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Speaker 1: what you and I would consider insane behavior on the

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Speaker 1: part of the president if they prefer the policy, the

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Speaker 1: culture you know so much more. And so I'm just

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Speaker 1: I've resigned myself, especially with the GOP base. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna do what they're going to do. I

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Speaker 1: hope that they go in this direction. I think it'd

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Speaker 1: be better off for the whole country if they did.

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Speaker 1: But I am yet to see any real evidence to

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Speaker 1: that regard in an actual and I guess we won't

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Speaker 1: find out till the primary. Yeah, there's no way to

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Speaker 1: know until the votes actually start to Yeah, and this

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Speaker 1: could end up being like remember when back in the

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Speaker 1: day when Rudy Giuliani was that's what I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: or like remember when they were like, oh, John Huntsman's

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Speaker 1: going to be the thing, and then like no, that

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Speaker 1: that's definitely what kopium is straight into some of these

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Speaker 1: people's VESE. I did think that the thing that was

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Speaker 1: most interesting to me was that, and I think we

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Speaker 1: have the graphic, was that breakdown in the pull of

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Speaker 1: how people who were watching January sixth coverage versus those

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Speaker 1: who weren't versus those who were watching actually the live hearings,

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Speaker 1: how that actually impacted whether they were for Trump or

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Speaker 1: Dsanta's go ahead and put this up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: so they say that among people who have watched news

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Speaker 1: coverage of the hearings, so not the hearings themselves, but

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Speaker 1: news coverage of the hearings. Do we have this graphic? Guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we do. Oh we don't. I've always

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Speaker 1: how it weird? Oh okay, anyway, I'll just read it

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Speaker 1: to you, my bad. So DeSantis leads Trump by four

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Speaker 1: points among those who watched news coverage of the hearings,

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Speaker 1: but he actually trails among those who watched it live,

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Speaker 1: and he trails even more by those who did not watch.

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Speaker 1: So if they're watching the sort of analysis of the

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Speaker 1: news media about the January sixth coverage, they actually favored

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Speaker 1: Dusantis by four points. So it's I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: an it's an interesting data point. I share your skepticism.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it with DeSantis, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to what's the case you're gonna

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Speaker 1: make against Trump? Yeah, because you can't just you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of float in and be like, oh, I think

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Speaker 1: it's great, I think he's wonderful, but you should vote

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Speaker 1: for me instead. No, as we saw with Bernie and Joe,

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Speaker 1: you got to make a case against this dude, and

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Speaker 1: it's got to be clear. It's got to land with

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Speaker 1: the base. And I am just not sure what that

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Speaker 1: case really is. Because the case that the sort of

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Speaker 1: like you know, uh, like the intellectual right elite make

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Speaker 1: about it is, oh, he's like Trump, but he's not,

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Speaker 1: you know, without the Twitter accountcount. But the base likes

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Speaker 1: the Twitter account. They like that. I mean that was

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Speaker 1: Trump's core appeal was that he drew drove people that

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Speaker 1: they hated absolutely insane. That is a satisfying thing to watch.

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Speaker 1: So and Dysantis, I mean, you know, he definitely has

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Speaker 1: ability to drive liberals insane too, but Trump is the

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Speaker 1: king of You're not going to out like own the

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Speaker 1: Libs on the Republican side. You will never be better

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Speaker 1: than Trump at that. And Trump is so good in

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Speaker 1: live hand to hand combat. We haven't seen DeSantis have

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Speaker 1: to like really sort of grapple in that way. Most

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Speaker 1: of his appearances are very controlled. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: comes anywhere close to the level of like magnetism and charisma,

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Speaker 1: just raw charisma and political talent that Trump has, So

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Speaker 1: I continue to be extremely skeptical. That being said, there's

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Speaker 1: also reports that Ruper, Murdoch and Fox is kind of

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Speaker 1: moving like they would prefer dasantas, so they wouldn't try

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Speaker 1: to put their yeah. But again we've seen how they

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Speaker 1: ultimately they said the same thing in the primary, and

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Speaker 1: then they went with Trump because they're because ultimately, once

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Speaker 1: they see like, yeah, we're not winning this fight, they

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Speaker 1: go where, you know, where the base wants them to

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Speaker 1: go so they can keep their ratings. Thing says primary.

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Speaker 1: From what I've heard and what I've read, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who are in the non Trump

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Speaker 1: lane who want to run. So you've got Mike Pence,

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Speaker 1: You've got Nikki Haley, You've got Tom Cotton, you've got

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Speaker 1: Glenn Youngkin, You've got a bunch of other people. So

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Speaker 1: you know, even if it were conceivably Trump and DeSantis

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Speaker 1: in a head to head matchup, you could conceivably see

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Speaker 1: the same situation of twenty sixteen where you had all

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Speaker 1: these people in the non Trump category. Right, Trump has

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Speaker 1: such a solidification of his portion of the base that

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Speaker 1: you could have youngin. Divide up the Desanta's vote, divide

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Speaker 1: up the Nicki Haley vote, divide up the Mike Pence vote,

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Speaker 1: and then you leave yourself with about thirty five to

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Speaker 1: forty percent, which is exactly how Trump one and nominal.

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Speaker 1: Because one is this this poll it was actually them heavy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's head to head, but that's not very unlikely to

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Speaker 1: be how it works out, because, yeah, when you see

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Speaker 1: the polls that have the Republican primary and it has

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Speaker 1: Pence and all those other characters in it, usually the

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Speaker 1: person after DeSantis is Pence, who has his own He's

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Speaker 1: got the evangelic Yeah, he's got you know, a cruse

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Speaker 1: to a lot of poll with evangelicals. You can see

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence's play in the wake of Row. He was

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Speaker 1: the first out to be like, I'm going for the

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Speaker 1: national band, kind of laying his marker down of how

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Speaker 1: he's going to position himself. So you can actually see

641
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Speaker 1: more clearly what Mike Pence's case again and Trump might be.

642
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Speaker 1: Not that I think that it's going to work out

643
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Speaker 1: for him either, but I just I always come back

644
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Speaker 1: to you. I don't know how DeSantis is going to

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Speaker 1: make the case against Trump without pissing off the entire

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Speaker 1: Republican base. We'll see, we will see. It's gonna be

647
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Speaker 1: fun to watch. At least he could say that, all right,

648
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Speaker 1: let's talk about NATO, so some seismic moves being made

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Speaker 1: across the pond. Let's go ahead and put this up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. So President Airdowan of Turkey has

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Speaker 1: lifted his hold on Finland and Sweden joining NATO. He

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Speaker 1: announced that at the recent NATO summit in Spain that

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Speaker 1: happened yesterday. So what he said is that he will

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Speaker 1: be lifting the He will be lifting his hold because

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Speaker 1: Sweden and Finland lifted some restrictions on a Turkish group,

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Speaker 1: on a Kurdish group which he claims as a foreign

657
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Speaker 1: terrorist organization. That's not for here right now of discussion,

658
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's all you need to know. He was

659
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Speaker 1: the only person who was holding it up, and now

660
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: he's allowing them in. And so NATO has formally extended

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Speaker 1: an invitation to both Turkey and to Sweden and to Finland.

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Speaker 1: Now it leads it up to all of the NATO

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Speaker 1: countries themselves in order to ratify the NATO Treaty and

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Speaker 1: allow their ascension of which is very likely to happen

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Speaker 1: without any debate whatsoever. Now, I actually do think the

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Speaker 1: more noteworthy piece to me is not even that it

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Speaker 1: is the current expansion of the US military footprint in

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Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. People are not discussing this, but this is

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Speaker 1: a seismic change to put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So President Biden in his speech at NATO, here's what

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Speaker 1: he said. We are going to establish a permanent military

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Speaker 1: headquarters for the Fifth Army Corps in Poland, one of

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Speaker 1: the most forward deployed permanent Army Army deployments of the

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Speaker 1: United States, all the way up near the Russian border.

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Speaker 1: Number two, maintain an additional rotational brigade of three thousand

676
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Speaker 1: troops in Romania, even more forward deployed than the troops

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Speaker 1: who are in Poland, and then enhance rotational deployments to

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Speaker 1: the Baltic States, obviously the most cutting edge of the

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Speaker 1: NATO alliance. On top of that, sending more f thirty

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Speaker 1: five jet squadrons to the United Kingdom, additional air defense

681
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: and other capabilities in Germany and in Italy, and then

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00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: two new destroyers to the Naval Air State to the

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Speaker 1: naval station in Spain. So a massive buildup of new

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Speaker 1: military equipment and of military deployment which is permanently deployed,

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Speaker 1: not temporary, towards the Eastern European flank, right up against

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Speaker 1: the Russians. Let's also throw this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Here's what they claim, just so you know, they say

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Speaker 1: we now have many allies spending above NATO's benchmark of

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Speaker 1: two percent, increasingly seen as a floor not a ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Of the White House says nine allies will be two

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Speaker 1: percent this year, Nineteen have clear plans to meet it

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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty four, five more have commitments to meet

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Speaker 1: it later. So another way of reading that is that

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the people in NATO are not

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Speaker 1: paying their two percent on defense, and that five of

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Speaker 1: them are think that we are such jokes that they

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Speaker 1: don't even have to fake commit to a two percent

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Speaker 1: defense spending. They're just like, yeah, for sure, we'll eventually

699
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Speaker 1: we'll get there. And America's like, oh cool, all right,

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Speaker 1: we'll continue to blow out our military budget like four

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Speaker 1: percent of GDP, and we'll put all these troops in

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Speaker 1: your and all these nuclear weapons and the umbrella and

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Speaker 1: air defense, and don't worry about it. If you eventually

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Speaker 1: get there, it's all good. Finland and Sweden, you know,

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Speaker 1: Sweden won't even commit actually to two percent in perpetuity.

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Speaker 1: They also promise they'll get there. I'm sure they'll get

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Speaker 1: NATO membership before that they do that. Finland is the

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Speaker 1: same thing, and Look, I just think in general it's

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Speaker 1: a seismic move. It is somewhat predictable given the invasion.

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Speaker 1: Actually said this, I think, you know, the day after,

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Speaker 1: I was like, look, you know, I was wrong Putin

712
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Speaker 1: would invade. Part of the reason I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: would do it is because he's now united the entire west,

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Speaker 1: and now he's basically guaranteed American and NATO troops on

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Speaker 1: the eastern flank of NATO and all the way up

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Speaker 1: to the Russian border, which is what he claimed that

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Speaker 1: he didn't want. He's united and increased military budgets of

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Speaker 1: the entire He got the French to spend more money

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Speaker 1: on the military. I mean, that's an impossible task. The Germans,

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Speaker 1: you know, also committing now to two percent. They were

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Speaker 1: at one point four, one point six for a long time.

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Speaker 1: The UK spending more than they ever have at a

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Speaker 1: certain point. Politically, this is a FATA compley. I hate

724
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Speaker 1: to say it. I think we should have a much

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00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: more robust debate. But I don't see any way that

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00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: sixty seven people in the Senate that there's less than Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't see any way that there are less than

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Speaker 1: sixty seven votes basically every member of the Senate supports it.

729
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I do think we should have a debate and like, hey,

730
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Speaker 1: you know, is this wise? Like is this could this

731
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: trigger more problems with Russia? Is you know? I actually

732
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Speaker 1: think we should take a page out of the turks books.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that their demands of Finland and Sweden

734
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: were just, but they were like, hey, we have something

735
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Speaker 1: that's important to us, so unless you give it to us,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to give you NATO membership in the West.

737
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Speaker 1: We're like, oh, we'll just give it to you whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. It's like, oh, I didn't know that Helsinki

739
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: and Stockholm have a right to the US nuclear umbrella

740
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: just whenever they request it, and they ask for it,

741
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: like there's no debate in our country? It is? Is

742
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: it thorough indictment of our political system and our media

743
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: class that this is happening with next to no discussion. Yeah,

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00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: next to no discussion. And you know, it's echoes of

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Speaker 1: the way that NATO expansion has worked over decades, where

746
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: this is done casually, there's next to no debate. The

747
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: people who are out there warning that this could go

748
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: badly are treated as cranks, and you know, Kremlin apologists

749
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I'm sure they'll come at me

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00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: for this well, of course, of course. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is this is an extraordinarily significant development, not just the

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00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: addition of Sweden and Finland, but also as you point to,

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00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Bloomberg phrased this as this addition of troops

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Speaker 1: and bases and all of this capacity to NATO. They say,

755
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: NATO returns to combat stance to counter a new and

756
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: hostile world. This is the biggest upgrade of NATO's military

757
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: presence in Europe since the end of the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: And you just always have to ask yourself, how is

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Speaker 1: Russia going to perceive that? How is Russia going to

760
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Speaker 1: react to that. The more that we make this war

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Speaker 1: an existential threat to Russia, the more dangerous we make

762
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: the landscape, and the more likely we make it that

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Speaker 1: they use nukes. They in their nuclear doctrine say that

764
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: it is justified to use nuclear weapons in the event

765
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Speaker 1: of an existential threat to Russia, which they define, all

766
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Speaker 1: of which they defined they want exactly. Every move that

767
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: we are making here makes it more likely that they

768
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Speaker 1: interpret the stakes of this war as an existential matter

769
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Speaker 1: for Russia. And that is a potential disaster, and no

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Speaker 1: one is talking about it. I mean, we're just this

771
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: was our fear from the beginning, that we're just sleepwalking

772
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: through this thing. No one is really dealing with this series.

773
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: No one's considering, Okay, what might Russia do in response?

774
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Speaker 1: And in fact, Russia is already warning Putin warns NATO

775
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Speaker 1: on moving military personnel and infrastructure to Finland and Sweden,

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Speaker 1: saying they will respond in kind to any build up

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Speaker 1: in the Nordic nations. So I think that this is

778
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: extraordinarily foolish and haphazard what we're engaging in with next

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00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: to no debate. And it gets back to this bigger

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: picture question of you know, the instinct, the sort of

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00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: neoliberal instinct of oh, we'll just trust the experts. We're

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00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: not going to actually delve into the details ourselves. I'm

783
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: sure they're handling it. We're just gonna accept we're being fed.

784
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: They understand, we don't know. We need the public to

785
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: be deeply involved and deeply engaged in this debate because ultimately,

786
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: you are the ones who are going to be most

787
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: impacted by these decisions and also by the you know,

788
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: endless continuation of this war, which is having its own,

789
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, impacts on us and on the world in

790
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: terms of food prices and gas prices and all the rest.

791
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Speaker 1: So it says everything about our political culture, how we

792
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: are just sleepwalking into some whatever you think of them,

793
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: support or don't support, incredibly significant momentous decisions, no discussion.

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00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: I think people should may have to make the case

795
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Speaker 1: who support this, why a troops should die for the

796
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Speaker 1: integrity of Helsinki and of Stockholm. And if you're Finish

797
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Speaker 1: and you're Swedish, listen, I get it. Like I said,

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00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, beautiful countries, all of that. However, we're talking

799
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: about our resources and our blood. If I were you,

800
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: I would do the same thing, but I'm not. We

801
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: have to decide what it's good for us. You and

802
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: their advocates should make the case as to why it's

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00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: in the strategic feterests of the United States. So, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I'll present the counter argument, which I do

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: think is a fair one, which is that any world

806
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: where Russia is going to invade Finland and Sweden is

807
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: going to involve the United States anyway, as we always

808
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: get dragged into these European conflicts like in World War One,

809
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: and in World War two, so we might as well

810
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Speaker 1: just extend them the protection at the top. My response

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00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: to that is very simple. I would rather get dragged

812
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: into that kicking and screaming whenever it actually attacks our

813
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: fundamental interests, rather than and that should just go in automatically,

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Speaker 1: which we Article five would require. The other question is

815
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Speaker 1: whether this action makes that eventuality more likely. Yeah, that's good,

816
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: because it's a provocation. It is a provocation. So from

817
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: the beginning, the lack of debate, the lack of seriousness,

818
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: the lack of discussion is extraordinarily troubling and really underminds

819
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: our ability to actually function as a democracy when these

820
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: decisions are just made and never taken to the American

821
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: people whatsoever. Well, it'll go to the Senate and we'll

822
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: cover it here. I want to cover it. I want

823
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: to see at least one say something on the floor like, Hey,

824
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: does anyone want to make the case do we want

825
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: to just sign ourselves up and for an automatic trigger

826
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Speaker 1: in order to go to war for the integrity of

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Speaker 1: the most eastern part of Europe, of which we've never

828
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: traditionally defended Europeans. I know you're all mad at me,

829
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: and we are airing our segment about this right now.

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00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: But listen, I have to make this case very simply.

831
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Speaker 1: Europe is one sixth of global GDP. Okay, it is

832
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: declining area of the world. It's mostly old people, demographics.

833
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: They have a problem innovation, they have some real issues.

834
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: It's basically a welfare state whose best days are long

835
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: behind them. Yes, we have cultural ties with Europe that

836
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: go back a long time. However, I mean, whenever you're

837
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Speaker 1: staking the future of your country militarily the use of

838
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, you should consider what those resources really mean.

839
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Speaker 1: And if you think that Asia is the future, which

840
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: I certainly do think it is overtook as Europe on

841
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: GDP both in twenty nineteen going forward, it will be

842
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: our major trading relationship, and I believe our future rests

843
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: far more there than over there. Well, you know, military

844
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: resources actually are finite, and now we are deploying even

845
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: more both of an extension of commitment and of military

846
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: resources on the European continent, which at the very least

847
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: could be directed elsewhere innovation, maybe even to our own

848
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: domestic populace to shore up our domestic political problems. None

849
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: of this, again is of a consideration none of it

850
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: is being debated. This is probably the only dissenting view

851
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: that is even out there, which is even in the

852
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: same semi mainstream, and I think that's a major indictment.

853
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: I think the American people should have to say, as

854
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: we had to say in World War One, as we

855
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: had to say after World War One, and we also

856
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: all had to say on the Marshall Plan on you know,

857
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: that was a buy in by America to say, you

858
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: know what, we agree with this vision of the world,

859
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: President Truman, Secretary of State Marshall, this is the world

860
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: our boys fought and died for Europe, and so let's

861
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: make sure that we rebuild it and reap the benefits

862
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: going forward and protect democracy against the Iron curtain. But

863
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: nobody's making that case out there right now. And I

864
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: personally think that we deserve much more of a say

865
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: in this than is being given to all of us. Yeah. Indeed,

866
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: and by the way, guys, Sager and I did have

867
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: a big old debate over Europe, so you can catch

868
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: that over again. So all right here the pushback, let's

869
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and move on. This is important, very important

870
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: in terms of what the peace and future of Ukraine

871
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: has looked like we've spoken here previously, how the United

872
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: States might should be able to orient itself going forward.

873
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: But of course the Ukrainians got to say, it's their country.

874
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: So here's what they think. Let's put this up there

875
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: on the screen. Eighty nine percent of Ukrainians reject seating

876
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: land to reach a piece with Russia. Ukrainians backs Lensky

877
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: species overwhelmingly that peace talks can't grant Russia land it

878
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: has seized. This is a new Wall St Journal poll

879
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: that just came out. In the country, only seven percent

880
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: say that Zelenski has handled the war poorly. So look,

881
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Ukrainian people, at least the ones who are left in

882
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: the country are overwhelmingly behind President Zelenski. Overwhelmingly do not

883
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: want to see any land, you know, being given up

884
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: to Russia. And look, if I was Ukrainian, I would

885
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: feel the exact same way if somebody had vaded my country.

886
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: So it's a difficult position that we find ourselves in. Gristle.

887
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: The most desirable outcome for us, for the West is

888
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: actually a negotiated peace as fast as possible, But both

889
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: of the principal parties who are involved have no desire

890
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: in order to push peace at all, which brings tremendous

891
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: cost to us, to them, to Russia, to basically all

892
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: parties who are involved. And unfortunately, the longer that battlefield

893
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: victory can be claimed really by both sides, which is true.

894
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at what's happening, Yes, Ukraine

895
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: is losing in the east, but they push the Russians

896
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: all the way back. They've only really been fighting for

897
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: a couple of months. I mean, if you look at history,

898
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: it takes years and millions of lives in to get

899
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: to a point before people are willing to accept a

900
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: negotiated peace, if at all. So I just think that

901
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: this is further evidence that this will grind on for many,

902
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: many years to come, as long as our policy also

903
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: remains whatever Ukraine wants is whatever they get, they basically

904
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: have a play. Yeah, that's right. I'm very depressed and

905
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: gloomy about the prospects of this war ending anytime soon.

906
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: And I mean there are a couple of notes to

907
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: make about this particular poll, which is that it does

908
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: not actually include any of the Ukrainians who live in

909
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Crimea or in don Bas because they don't have Ukrainian

910
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: mobile phone providers and these were all Uku, so it

911
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: doesn't include those populations, which I think is really important.

912
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: It Also, this survey was conducted before Russia had their

913
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: success in the East, So the time when this was

914
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: conducted June ninth through thirteenth was when Ukraine was at

915
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: its most like, Yeah, we pushed them back and we're

916
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: doing awesome, and we're you know, really on the march

917
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: and there's a real chance to win this thing. So

918
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: it is possible that as Russia has scored victories in

919
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: the East and claimed territory there, that attitudes could have changed,

920
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: but I kind of doubt it, to be honest with you.

921
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: They speak in this article about an almost like religious

922
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: faith in the possibility of victory that you know, is

923
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: not really connected to reports from the front lines on

924
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: what's happening in battle or how many Ukrainians are being lost.

925
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, again, I understand that because

926
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: if you're fighting for your nation and your country, that

927
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: is that is a very human way to view the

928
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: situation ultimately, but I did want to put those caveats

929
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: in there, but yeah, I mean, and the other thing

930
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: to say about this is part of why Ukrainians have

931
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: such an frankly, at this point unrealistic expectation of what

932
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: they can accomplish. The overwhelming majority thinks that they cannot

933
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: only push Russia out of the East, but they can

934
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: push Russia out of Crimea, which is just that's not happening.

935
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: The part of why they have such an unrealistic expectation

936
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: of their prospects is because of us, because we have

937
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: helped to you know, so the narrative in our media,

938
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: in our political class that you know, they're winning, and

939
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: that they can win, and that they can have all

940
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: out victory, and that is in fact what we're backing

941
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: them and pushing them towards. All of that being said,

942
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: even without those factors and are very strong hand in

943
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: this because this is effectively a proxy war between the

944
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: US and Russia. At this point, it is very hard

945
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: to see how either side really sees it in their

946
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: interests to come to the table. You know. On the

947
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Ukrainian side, yeah, they need to be able to claim

948
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: a victory. The Russian side, they need to be able

949
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: to claim a victory. And the US, you know, which

950
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: is really sort of pulling a lot of the strings

951
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: behind the scenes on this, Like we have no interest

952
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: in giving Russia even the appearance of a victory. So

953
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: they're going to continue fighting. And actually our own director

954
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: of National Intelligence, this is what they're telling both the

955
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: public in Congress put us up there on the screen.

956
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: They say that President Putin wants to seize most of

957
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: Ukraine and that he does not going to give up

958
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: at all. They said they expect the war will continue

959
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: for quote an extended period of time. In short, the

960
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: picture remains pretty grim. Russi's attitude of the word the

961
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: West he is hardening, is what she said at a

962
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: recent content. I don't know if I buy this assessment

963
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: that Russia wants to seize most of Ukraine. I am

964
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: skeptical of that. I mean, even in their initial push,

965
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: which was more certainly had more maximalist aims than what

966
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: we're seeing now, they really did not mask the number

967
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: of troops that would require to claim all of Ukraine.

968
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Even in the beginning, it seems unlikely that that was

969
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: truly their goal to claim the entirety of the state.

970
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: So at this point in the fighting, I am again

971
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: highly skeptical that that is actually their aim. But in

972
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: terms of the assessment of yeah, this is just going

973
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: to continue on I think it's hard to see anything

974
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: other than that happening. And it's really sad. I mean,

975
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: for Ukraine, the amount of losses they have suffered and

976
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: the devastation in that country is you know, horrific, Like

977
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: what's been done to their ports, their ability to export.

978
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Their economy has been hit way worse than the Russian economy. Yeah,

979
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: and the Russian economy is going to contract by what

980
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: eight percent something like, which is bad, but it's nowhere

981
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: near thirty five percent and long term, massive damage that's

982
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: going to take hundreds of I mean so much money

983
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: to be able to rebuild that country. The lives lost,

984
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: Famili's broken up, totally upended. I mean, it is just

985
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: absolutely devastating to them, and it's been devastating for the world.

986
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: And we keep bringing up there's a real food crisis

987
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: that is already really hitting poor nations in particular hard,

988
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: but it's hitting everybody around the world. And not to

989
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: mention the fuel prices or fueling inflation. We just got

990
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: new numbers that indicate growth was even you know, more

991
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: negative than so we're we are officially in stagflation. Now,

992
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: like that's not theoretical, that's where we are right now,

993
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: and a large part of that is the continuation of

994
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: this war in our response to it. Unfortunately, and well too,

995
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, some good news actually Ukraine this morning apparently

996
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: push back Russian troops out of that Snake Island, that

997
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: famous island where you know, the fakes stand off or whatever.

998
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a good thing because it means that

999
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 1: some stuff might be moving out of the Black Sea,

1000
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: which is part of the reason that food prices are

1001
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: so high. But you know, probably Russian is probably gonna

1002
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: mount an offensive in order to try and take it back.

1003
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: So it just does demonstrate you know, the yo yo

1004
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: effect and how long this stuff can grind on the

1005
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: extent of what the Russians want, what they can realistically accomplish,

1006
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, also Crystal, it could be that, as

1007
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: it could be that the Ukrainians fares are correct, and

1008
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: that if they do win a military battlefield, they'll just

1009
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: take a pause, then re up and then go for

1010
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: Kiev again. It's possible, yeah, certainly, but I don't think.

1011
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look, who knows, you know, in terms of

1012
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: what putin and all of their thinking is on that.

1013
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's where things stand right now. Moving on

1014
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: to the sort of aftermath of Row versus Weight being overturned.

1015
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: First of all, people continue to be shocked at just

1016
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: how atrocious and absent the Democrats are, like even we're

1017
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna we're going to cover this for the weekend, but

1018
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: even Republicans are like, wait, so y'all aren't going to

1019
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: do anything in response to this, like literally nothing? Okay,

1020
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: But there were some interesting political indicators that maybe I'm

1021
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: not convinced of this at all yet, by the way,

1022
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: but we wanted to bring this to you. Maybe there's

1023
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: more of a political impact, immediate midterm political impact on

1024
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: the overturning of Row than we initially thought. Again I'm

1025
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: not persuaded, but we wanted to make sure to bring

1026
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: you sort of all the data points across the board

1027
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: so you can be well informed. So new generic ballot polling,

1028
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: So this is when you ask voters, okay, generic Democrat

1029
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: versus generic Republican, who are you going to pick? Go

1030
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: ahead and put this up on the screen. And this

1031
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: is from a credible polling source. This is YouGov, this

1032
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: is and Yahoo. This isn't some like no name brand.

1033
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: This generic ballot pulling Dems at forty five and Republicans

1034
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: at thirty eight seven point advantage for Democrats, which would

1035
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: be in the range of being able to hold basically

1036
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: where they are, So it wouldn't be because of the

1037
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: structural advantages for the Republicans in the House. It wouldn't

1038
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: be like a dem landslide, but this would probably be

1039
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: in the range of them more or less holding their positions.

1040
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: And if you dig into this, put this next piece

1041
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: up on the screen. It shows not only that forty

1042
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: five percent registered voters say they would vote for a

1043
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: Democrat for Congress if it was held today versus thirty

1044
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: eight percent who say they would vote for a Republican,

1045
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: a seven point gap. Not only that, but that gap

1046
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: has nearly doubled since last month, so we've seen significant movement.

1047
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: And when voters are asked specifically to choose between a

1048
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: pro choice Democrat and a pro life Republican, that same

1049
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: gap doubles to fifteen points. So when the election is

1050
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: framed around the question of choice, Democrats are firmly in control.

1051
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, fifteen points wouldn't be actually a Democratic lands

1052
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: like now, do I think we're headed there? No, But

1053
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: it was a very eyebrow raising poll for me looking

1054
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: at that of like, oh, maybe this is going to

1055
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: be more salient to voters than I thought. Second data point,

1056
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: actually they found out late last night was this election

1057
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: in the Nebraska's first district. So actually there was a

1058
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: general election that happened there. It was an R plus

1059
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: seventeen district, meaning Republican with a seventeen point advantage. But

1060
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: apparently what happened there is that this was of course

1061
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: right after the Dobbs ruling. While they did not win

1062
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: the Democrats in the Nebraska first District, they overperformed by

1063
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: fifteen points and end up with an R plus two

1064
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: victory in what should be an R plus seventeen district. Now,

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00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: is that indicative of the whole country. No. I saw

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: lots of people like, oh, but they're special conditions, et cetera,

1067
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: et cetera. There's always special conditions like House usually are

1068
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: pretty good barometers of the national mood, unless you have

1069
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: something totally crazy happening. That's right. Yeah, it's usually a

1070
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: pretty good look. We always do a decent amount of

1071
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: coverage of special elections because it can tell you something.

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00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Ed Gillespie's victory into our defeat in twenty seventeen was

1073
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: a harbinger of the Democratic wave of twenty eighteen. Glenn

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00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: Youngkin's victory, obviously in two thousand and nine or twenty

1075
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, is probably a harbinger of whatever is going

1076
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: to happen in twenty twenty two, at least in some

1077
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: form the type of campaign that he ran. That's why

1078
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: we look at off your elections and this one. If

1079
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: you have a R plus seventeen district, go R plus two.

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00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: That's a problem, Yeah, because it could show you that

1081
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: there is an increased motivation of a lot of Democrats

1082
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: in order to turn out. Now, let me let me

1083
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: cause that a point. Ye, let me pauge on the

1084
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: Glen Youngkin point because I think that's an interesting one

1085
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: because you have to ask yourself if the big cultural

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00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: issue in the Youngkin camp pain was abortion versus school

1087
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: openings and CRT, Yeah, does that go? Does it go

1088
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: a different way? Because I mean you had a significant

1089
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: sort of like suburban liberal switch to Youngkin and some

1090
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: I still think it was mostly economic issues. And I

1091
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: still think that this ISSU midterm election will mostly turn

1092
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: on economic issues, which is very bad for Democrats. But

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00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: if you think that the culture war was part of

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00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Young Kin's victory. I think you have to grant that,

1095
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, that culture fight landscape has changed dramatically since

1096
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: he won, so it could raise the possibility of, you know,

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00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: a sort of shift back to the Dems among these

1098
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: suburban liberal voters who had been trending to the right. Again,

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00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm not persuaded of it. I still think that inflation

1100
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: and eighty percent of the country saying we're on the

1101
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: wrong track, and sort of Joe Biden's apathy and Democratic

1102
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: base apathy, I think those are going to be ultimately

1103
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: the factor that are most significant in the midterms. But

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00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: I did look at these numbers and it was it

1105
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: was an eyebrow razor for me for sure, and that

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00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: Nebraska race because in some ways, the special elections or

1107
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: the off year elections, I mean, these are real. It's

1108
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: not just polls. It's actual, like real in real life,

1109
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: what a voters do and what happens. So in some

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00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: ways there should be taken even more seriously than the polling.

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00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: I agree. Georgia too, is very significant. Yeah, so we

1112
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: have put the fourth element up here, guys, which is

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: we have a Quinnipiac poll from Georgia free surprised by

1114
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: this one too. Okay, Georgia, I wouldn't even call Georgia

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: swing state at this point. I would still call this

1116
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: a lean Republican state at both the federal and certainly

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00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: at the state level. And here you've got a poll

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00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: from Quinnipiac that has you know, incumbent Democrat Raphael Warnock

1119
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: up ten points on the Republican herschel Walker ten points,

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00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: so well out of the margin of error. And then

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00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: this one surprised me too, for Governor Kemp tied with

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00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: abrahams Now, it's one poll, guys, it's one poll. Could

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: be totally off. And you know, we always you always

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: have to assume that these polls, because this has been

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00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: the trend in recent years, are under counting Republican support.

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00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: I think you still have to assume that that is

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00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: the case. But if Democrats, this at least shows Democrats

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: are very much in the fight on the Senate race

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: in Georgia. And if that's the case. We also saw

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: this Pennsylvania polls Pennsylvania Senate that has Fetterman up about

1131
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: ten points, also on Oz surprising. I was looking at Wisconsin.

1132
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: These are Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are the two opportunities Democrats

1133
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: have to actually increase their seats. Ron Johnson, incumbent Republican

1134
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: senator running for reelection there, he is down a little

1135
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: bit to all of his Democrat competitors save for one,

1136
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: this Lazari dude who's like some billionaire air terrible whatever.

1137
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: So they still have their Democratic primary going on. But

1138
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at these and I'm a little

1139
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: surprised that the polling shows Democrats as strong as they

1140
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: are in some of these places. Yeah, I think the

1141
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: interesting thing about George Well, first of all, grains of

1142
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: salt right. I mean, I also remember what was it Wisconsin?

1143
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Right before the election, ABC said that Trump was losing

1144
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: Wisconsin by seventeen points. Right also said Pennsylvania. He didn't

1145
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: work out well in Georgia. I believe they said he

1146
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: was within a couple of votes. So listen, you should

1147
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: always take that Jay, Like I said, the general rule

1148
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: is probably add five to seven for Republicans. But also,

1149
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: you know Trump is not on the ballot. He's usually

1150
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: the X factor whenever trups do these things. I have

1151
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: no idea how it's going to play out. I'm just

1152
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't see a world where Brian camp is actually

1153
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: tied with Stacy Abrams. It's not twenty nine eighteen. It's

1154
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: a completely different national environment. But Warnock, and I mean

1155
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: Walker is a terrible candidate. There's just no other way

1156
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: to say. It's so many kids apparently, so Look, he

1157
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: also probably suffered some head drama. His interviews don't appear

1158
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: to go particularly well. His son is a real jackass

1159
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Apparently the campaign has been seizing on that

1160
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: is an appeal. Yeah, he's like, he's like a rich

1161
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: boy whatever, likes to flaunt his wealth. Fine, you're right,

1162
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: But the problem that I see is that these Warnock

1163
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: is a very good candidate, like we did well back

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: in two twenty twenty. Yes, he did beat Kelly Loffler,

1165
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: but you know, he has really staked out a position

1166
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: where he's not in the news as some firebrand lefty,

1167
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: which is you know what people went after him as

1168
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, that was what Kelly Loffler kept calling him

1169
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: radical socialists. Raphaele Warnock. He's tried to mostly govern as

1170
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: the centers as a centrist kind of keeps his nose. Yeah,

1171
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, him and John Ostaff are doing a pretty

1172
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: good job. They really don't want to get attached too

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00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: much to Biden. So I do think that he's doing

1174
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: the best that he possibly could. I do see a

1175
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: world where Arnock could win, and where Brian Kemp could

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: win to some of the cross partisan appeal and just

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01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: given candidate quality where it does matter. But look, again,

1178
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: an interesting data point. It's certainly also possible that this

1179
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: could lead to suburban metro turnout from Atlanta the DABS

1180
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: decision on abortion in order to back somebody like Raphael Warnock.

1181
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's also the same state that

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01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: past six week abortion band bill, so yeah, you know,

1183
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: well yeah, true, I mean, but then that kind of

1184
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: argues in favor of well, maybe that's impacting the governor's race.

1185
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: That's possible because the abortion politics. While as we've discussed

1186
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: it matters at the national level because you have some

1187
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: Republicans pushing for a nationwide abortion ban, it's really relevant

1188
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: at the state level. So you know, it's possible that

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: it is a big factor in keeping Abrams in the

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: race there. I don't know. Again, the flip side of

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: this put the third element up on the screen, is

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01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: you had more than a million voters switch to Republicans

1193
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: from the Democrat Party. Now, in every cycle there are

1194
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: party switchers, but you had more than a million people

1195
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: becoming Republicans versus about six hundred and thirty thousand who

1196
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: became Democrats. And a lot of some significant portion of

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01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: these million who have switched to the Republican Party are

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01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: coming from those like suburban enclaves where you had very

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: strong affinity for Joe Biden to and very strong sort

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: of like revulsion at Trump I should say, more than

1201
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: affinity for Biden in twenty twenty. And so this now,

1202
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: granted this came out before Roe versus Wade was overturned,

1203
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Like these numbers reflect that landscape before Roe is overturned.

1204
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: But you know, this is obviously very dire for Democrats

1205
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: the number of suburban voters who were saying am with

1206
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: the GOP. Now, so that's the flip side of this argument. Again. Overall,

1207
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: I still would say my analysis is when you have

1208
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: massive inflation, negative growth, when you have eighty percent of

1209
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: the country staying you're on the wrong track, it's gonna

1210
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: be bad for the party in power. It doesn't take

1211
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: a rocket scientist to see that. I think Cook political

1212
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: just switched and moved eight more races or something like

1213
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: that towards the GOP. So they are still very much

1214
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: seeing the trend being in the Republican Party's direction. However,

1215
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: a couple of little interesting contrary data points that are

1216
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: worth pointing out here. I think that's exactly the way

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: that I would put it. Yes, okay, this one. We

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: will not forget about what happened in Uvaldi. We're just

1219
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: not going to forget what happened in Uvaldi as much

1220
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: as the cops and the government officials want us to

1221
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: ignore all of it and move on. And there's a

1222
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: new piece in the Washington Post about just some of

1223
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: the conduct here in stonewalling journalists who are trying to

1224
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: get to the truth of what actually happened on that

1225
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: day when those kids were massacred up on the screen.

1226
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: The headline here from the Post is journalists in Uvaldi

1227
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: are stone walled, hassled, threatened with arrest. And I want

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01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: to read to you from the very beginning sort of

1229
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: the lead of this article, just to give you a

1230
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: visceral sense of what is happened to these journalists on

1231
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: the ground who are just trying to get the actual

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: facts of what happened, which I don't think any of

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: us feels confident we have at this point. They said

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: that journalists have been threatened with arrest for getting too

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: close to the mourners. So Houston Chronicle reporter Juliane Gil

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01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: stayed in the designated media area, so he was doing

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: what they told him he had to do when he

1238
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: was reporting on funerals. Nevertheless, less a phailanx of uniformed

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: bikers confronted Gil the journalists outside the cemetery gates. They

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: called themselves guardians of the children and claimed to be

1241
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: working with police officers who stood watch. Gil the journalist says,

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01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disturb anyone, guys, according to a

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01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: video that he posted online, I'm not trying to ask

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: anybody any questions. I just want to watch. That's all

1245
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: we can do, right The bikers followed and harassed journalists anyway,

1246
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: Gil rote the Chronicle. When he accidentally bumped into one

1247
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: of these biker cop affiliated people who claim to be

1248
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: a paramedic, the bikers accused him of assault and battery,

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01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: and they said to him, as a public servant, that's

1250
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of a felony. According again to the video, they

1251
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: go on to say that journalists have been threatened with

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01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: arrest for quote unquote trespassing outside public outside public buildings, okay,

1253
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote trespassing. They've been barred from public meetings, refused

1254
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: basic information about what police did during the May twenty

1255
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: fourth attack, and after several early air field news conferences,

1256
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: officials have routinely turned down interview quest refused to hold

1257
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: news briefings. The situation is made even more fraught by

1258
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: the spider's web of local and state agencies involved in

1259
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: responding to investigating the shooting, some of which now blame

1260
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: each other for the chaos. So they are being shut

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01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: down and intimidated, actively intimidated in every possible way. And

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: we know that the cops directly have also intimidated that

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01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: incredibly courageous mom who was handcuffed and then when they

1264
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: had the handcuffs taken off, or she runs in the

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: school and saves her kids. They've been coming and flashing

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: their lives and trying to intimidate her and threatening her

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: with criminal charges just for her willingness to speak out

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: and be honest about what happened on the day. So

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01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: this is a whole of government cover up. At this point,

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: there's just no other way to spin it when media

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: organizations are being stonewalled, shut out for sound of public spaces,

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Speaker 1: and being blocked from access to any of the records

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Speaker 1: and data from that day. Yeah, and I want to

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Speaker 1: emphasize these ain't Jim Acosta or CNN like crying people.

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Speaker 1: These are people who work for univisional news agencies, Houston Chronicle,

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Speaker 1: San Antonio Express. You know, these are all local reporters,

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Speaker 1: people who are trying to do their jobs for their

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Speaker 1: actual communities. You know, they literally live there and they're

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Speaker 1: trying to bring the news to mostly many of them

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Speaker 1: are even Spanish language reporters, and they're getting uplocked, frozen out,

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Speaker 1: intimidated going after them. The fact that they have people,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of surround them and block them from

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Speaker 1: public spaces, this is outrageous. You combine it with what's

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Speaker 1: happening with that Uvaldi mother who's being harassed and she's

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Speaker 1: so afraid that she had to separate herself from her kids,

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Speaker 1: who you know, we're in a horrific shooting, traumatic event.

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Speaker 1: It is not like a good thing that happens. And

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Speaker 1: we've pointed before about the cops, you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: arrest journalists for to kind of go into the city council.

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Speaker 1: Pete Rodondo is just in hiding even though he's been

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Speaker 1: placed on quote unquote leave this mayor and all these

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Speaker 1: guys or you know, shooting they're they're like shooting accusations

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Speaker 1: at each other. They're saying, oh, they're lying. They're like, no,

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Speaker 1: you're lying again. I'm just saying, the governor, the attorney general,

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Speaker 1: somebody needs to step up actually take control of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Whoever this police force is, they need to be completely

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Speaker 1: either disbanded, taken over by the state. Somebody needs to

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Speaker 1: move in here and restore like order and give people

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Speaker 1: confidence that what's happening is not a horrific and tremendous

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Speaker 1: cover up, because that's what everything everything currently points to.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to avoid jail time and public scrutiny. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, you let eighteen little kids get murdered

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Speaker 1: while you know, you sat with your thumb up your

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: ass for you deserve it whatever comes your way. That's

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01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: we're supposed to have real accountability. You know, they could

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Speaker 1: have used somebody, you know who, They could have used

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: the diligence that you're putting and protecting your reputation, in

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Speaker 1: your life and all that while they were in there.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's how most people feel. And I

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Speaker 1: really just wish somebody had text us or the government, FBI,

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Speaker 1: somebody would step up, but they're not. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a total shit show, what's happening down there. It's completely insane,

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Speaker 1: it's disgusting. All right, let's move on some I guess

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Speaker 1: good news, mixed bag. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. Gallaine Maxwell has been given twenty

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Speaker 1: years for aiding Jeffreypps in trafficking. This is something we've

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Speaker 1: been covering and looking at for a long time. The problem,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately we covered basically since the day that it all

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Speaker 1: broke back in twenty nineteen, is that, you know, we

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Speaker 1: really just did not learn allow a lot about Jacklaine

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Speaker 1: Maxwell and about Jeffrey Epstein in this trial. It's like

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Speaker 1: the FBI went out of its way in order to

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Speaker 1: proceed crimes that happened, you know, decades and decades ago.

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Speaker 1: They focused very specifically on these two or three crimes.

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Speaker 1: They did not focus on many of the famous people

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Speaker 1: that Glaine Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein were involved in and with

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Speaker 1: the conclusion of the trial, you actually basically end the

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Speaker 1: ability to gain access to the FBI's evidence that they

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Speaker 1: did seize from Epstein's mansion and for many of the

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Speaker 1: Epstein affiliated you know, finance networks and more. The indictment

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01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: and all that gave us a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: preview into how Epstein would move money around and her

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Speaker 1: him and Maxwell would you know, work together and to

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Speaker 1: fund both European prostitutes and all this other disgusting behavior.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of the open inquiries are closed at

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Speaker 1: this point, the Virgin Islands. You know, we still haven't

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01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: heard a hell of a lot about exactly his estate

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Speaker 1: getting divvied up. Maybe you we'll learn more because many

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Speaker 1: of the victims are actually suing. But the point is

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Speaker 1: is that this was the last chance in criminal court

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Speaker 1: in order to air this out to the public, and

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Speaker 1: the grand trial that we all deserved where names were named,

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Speaker 1: has just not come out. And conveniently, you know, at

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Speaker 1: the same time, let's put this up there. Maxwell has

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Speaker 1: now been placed on suicide watch. You know, they say

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Speaker 1: ahead of her sentencing that they say that, oh, she's exhibited,

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Speaker 1: you know, she's exhibited behavior in which she's depressed I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: our lawyer says she's not suicidal, but right the lawyer

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Speaker 1: says he's not suicidal. She's been placed on suicide watch. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who should believe. Maybe that's a way

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Speaker 1: of trying to get around it. And they are preparing

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Speaker 1: her for sentencing. Now she's been sentenced to twenty years

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Speaker 1: in prison. But just remember there's she has a hell

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Speaker 1: of a lot of information and she's still not talking.

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Speaker 1: She is protecting Prince Andrew and continues to reports were

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Speaker 1: that will help. A lot of famous people were very

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: upset and worried whenever she was arrested at that FBI

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Speaker 1: compound in the middle of like New Hampshire or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and they can probably sleep easy. I mean, at this point,

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Speaker 1: what confidence should we have that any information is going

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Speaker 1: to come out of this. Basically everything we've learned has

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Speaker 1: come out. I'm you know, I'm glad that she's going

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Speaker 1: to spend twenty years in prison, but frankly, she's sixty

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Speaker 1: years old. That means she could actually walk at some point,

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Speaker 1: which I think is disgusting and outrageous. And at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, all of my hopes for the

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Speaker 1: trial were dashed basically the day that the FBI charged

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Speaker 1: her with those two older crimes. I'm not saying those

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Speaker 1: crimes aren't just, but you know, we have, of course

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Speaker 1: being committed. Up until twenty thirteen, we had no information

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Speaker 1: about it, and it also was part of just remind everybody.

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Speaker 1: The prosecution strategy was what they called thin to win,

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Speaker 1: which means, like you just focus narrowly on these couple

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Speaker 1: of pieces to try to get the conviction without painting

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Speaker 1: the broader portrait of all of the decades of criminal behavior,

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Speaker 1: the massive pattern of recruiting and grooming these children into

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Speaker 1: this you know, horrific abuse, sexual abuse, and rape. You know,

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Speaker 1: that was they introduced some of that during the sentencing,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of the actual trial and what the

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Speaker 1: convictions were based on, they just tried to focus in

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Speaker 1: on these few narrow charges again, which were very serious

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Speaker 1: and obviously which ends up with her receiving twenty years

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Speaker 1: in prison. They say that with potential credit for good

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Speaker 1: behavior in the two years she's spent in jail, she

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Speaker 1: could leave prison in her seventies. So yeah, see that's

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Speaker 1: out right. She may also see the light of day.

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Speaker 1: She was given a sentence which was less than the

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Speaker 1: recommended you know, the yeah D's asked for thirty at

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I think this is the problem. If you

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Speaker 1: go Finn to win, then they get sentenced on you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever they're actually convicted of, which is Look, that's how

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Speaker 1: it should work in a court of law. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that it should work otherwise, but as a hell

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Speaker 1: of a lot more they could have come out on

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Speaker 1: this trial that never actually did end up coming out.

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Speaker 1: And now, you know, there's a lot of guys Leon Black,

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Speaker 1: Leslie Wexner, Prince Andrew, Bill, Clinton, Aude Barack. I can

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Speaker 1: go on forev her billionaires and others that she'd not

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Speaker 1: only been pictured with, but had covorted with privately. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know Kevin Spacey, who's a guy from Rush Hour,

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Speaker 1: Chris Tucker, Bill, Bill Richardson. Yeah, there's a lot of folks,

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Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz, there's still a hell of a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks who can probably sleep easier. Another pedophile also being sentenced, ironically,

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Speaker 1: actually more than Glen Maxwell. Throw this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. R Kelly actually sentenced to thirty years in

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Speaker 1: prison for the scheme to lurd children into sex. You know,

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Speaker 1: I really do think this is so crazy because the

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Speaker 1: first time this came out to light Crystal was twenty

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Speaker 1: two years ago. R Kelly has been a known pedophile,

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Speaker 1: and well, look he's been known to be committing these

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Speaker 1: horrific sex crimes for two decades. And the basic response was, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's weird, but he's super famous and his music is good,

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Speaker 1: and the laborating with them, the beds and the totally

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Speaker 1: let him off the hook. Like you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody in the entertainment world was like, yeah, r Kelly's

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Speaker 1: a weird guy. You know, he does this and this,

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Speaker 1: but whatever, you know, it makes great music, and they

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Speaker 1: just moved on, and it's really disgusting. Look, I'm very

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Speaker 1: very happy that he's been convicted here. Thirty years is

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Speaker 1: a just sentence, absolutely, and especially if you guys have

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Speaker 1: watched the documentaries or any of others, he is truly

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Speaker 1: a He's a monster. Yeah, there's no other way to

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Speaker 1: describe it. The way he turned these poor teenagers against

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Speaker 1: themselves and the parents and many more. I just do

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Speaker 1: think though, if you compare the trial of r Kelly

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Speaker 1: to Maxwell, I mean, consider it. The government called forty

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Speaker 1: five witnesses, including eleven victims. You know, the jurors were

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Speaker 1: confronted with the audio and the video and they went

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Speaker 1: back decades and they really did a better job. Frankly here,

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Speaker 1: welly versus Maxwell, fullsome picture of his crime, right, And

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Speaker 1: when you consider that in the same vein, you're like, man,

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Speaker 1: they could have hit Maxwell with the same case and

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Speaker 1: they didn't even trust. Yeah, and I can't really blame

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Speaker 1: the judges who were sentencing based on what's presented to them,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the prosecution in Maxwell's case, you know, went

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Speaker 1: for this much more narrow focus versus r Kelly. They

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Speaker 1: you know, really tried to put forward a full picture

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Speaker 1: of just how abusive he was over decades to so

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Speaker 1: many women and girls. To your point about listen, it

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: was back in nineteen ninety four that Vibe magazine reported

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Speaker 1: on his illegal marriage to Aliyah, who was fifteen. So

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Speaker 1: we have been knowing this about our Kelly literally for decades.

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Speaker 1: That's actually like, that's like what twenty eight years ago.

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,839
Speaker 1: For decades we have we have been knowing at fifteen

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Speaker 1: years old, he illegally marries Aliyah and according to the documentaries,

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Speaker 1: because they thought she was pregnant, and this would you know,

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: you would need at that age parental consent to get

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Speaker 1: an abortion unless you had unless your husband provided the consent.

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Speaker 1: So that's the according to the document, that's why he

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Speaker 1: married her to try to get her an abortion for

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01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so dark and sick. And then the

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Speaker 1: other piece of this, it's not just like the uh

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Speaker 1: just it's not only the you know, the sex acts

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Speaker 1: and the rape and the all of the it's so

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 1: much of him was about the control too, the way

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Speaker 1: that he would manipulate and exploit his fame to get

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Speaker 1: these young girls to trap them. I mean, that's really

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Speaker 1: what would happen, To trap them and hold out the

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Speaker 1: promise of fame and stardom and I'm going to make

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Speaker 1: you a thing, and then completely manipulate and control and

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Speaker 1: abuse these girls and women. It is a horrific, horrific

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Speaker 1: what he did to them, and so it is good

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Speaker 1: to see a little bit of justice here. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: the connective tissue between both of these cases is the

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Speaker 1: way that Epstein and R. Kelly use their fame, wealth,

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Speaker 1: power status to enable this criminal, predatory behavior for decades

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Speaker 1: and polite society looked the other way. Everybody in Hollywood

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Speaker 1: who Ratherwie guide made a lot of money. Is all

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Speaker 1: just we're looking right over there, all right, sago? What

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Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well? I know there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of important stories going on right now, but there's

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Speaker 1: one flying under the radar of all major news items

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01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: that I haven't been able to stop thinking about, the

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01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: bizarre war by the Biden administration on nicotine cigarettes and

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01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: by proxy, on poorer Americans. Now, of course, I'm gonna

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: start with the obvious. Cigarettes are bad, as for vaping

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: products and for other synthetic nicotine delivery systems that are

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: outside of cigarettes but are increasingly popular. The science is

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Speaker 1: really not in on any of them. I cannot personally

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Speaker 1: imagine it's good for you. But is it bad bad

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: for you? Or is it just like diet soda or

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01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: caffeine or many of the other legal substances that people

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: plow into their bodies every day. We don't know. The

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: answer is still not clear. The answer seems clear enough

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01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, which is effectively declared a full

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01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: scale war not only on cigarette smokers but on nicotine

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: users of all stripes. Much of the actions of the

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: Biden administration reek of class disdain and the fact that

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01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: there hasn't been any outcry amongst elites reflects a lot

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01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: of this too. As long as their drugs of choice

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: are safe, namely alcohol and weed, they don't really care.

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: So let's review the Biden war on nicotine. Things started

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01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: to pop off in April when they came out and

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01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: they said they were going to ban menthol cigarettes. Specifically,

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01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: they noted correctly that Black Americans are the most likely

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: to smoke menthols, and in some sort of weird NANNI

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: State Protection way said that flavored cigars and menthols thus

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01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: must be banned outright. But it appears that outside of elites,

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01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: they didn't actually ask black people what they wanted, and

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: it turns out a lot of people who actually work

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: at the community activist level are adamantly opposed to this ban.

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01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: Eric Garner's own mother correctly noted banning menthols would lead

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: to more police interactions between cops and people like her son,

1504
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: and even Al Sharpton correctly noted that with weed legalized

1505
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: and basically unregulated at the state level, it makes no

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01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: sense that quote Grandma can't smoke her cools, but Jamal

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: can smoke his weed. I mean the man has a point,

1508
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: but that Nanty State move was just the beginning. With

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: some new announcements that came out this week, the Biden

1510
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: FDA is moving to ban literally all nicotine from cigarettes

1511
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: from now and from now and to try and get

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: millions to quit smoking. The FDA commissioner said that it

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: would be the most targeted action against cigarettes in twenty

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: five years. And look, everyone can agree, yeah, less people

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01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: should smoke. Everybody also knows it's a very difficult thing

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: to quit smoking, meaning that alternatives need to obviously be

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01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: around in some form. That's why it's especially puzzling that

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01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: the same day they announced that the FDA would also

1519
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: be banning jewel e cigarettes across the nation, which is

1520
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: forty two percent of the east cigarette market in the

1521
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: United States nuked overnight. So at the same time that

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: they're going after nicotine and cigarettes, they're also setting the

1523
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: ground for a war on nicotine delivery methods themselves, starting

1524
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: with jewel. Reporting from inside the government reveals that there

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: was no real pretext for banning jewel as opposed to

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01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: letting others be sold except for politics. Parents' groups just

1527
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: hated jewel because many teenagers began using jewel years ago.

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01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: Thus Jewel got targeted and made an example of to

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: ensure that anti smoking and anti nicotine groups will continue

1530
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: to back Biden and the FDA. That's about as a

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: corrupt deal as exists. To return to the broader point,

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: who is this impacting? The US general population smoking rate

1533
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: is fourteen percent, but amongst poor people it's actually as

1534
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: high as one third. Education is the best proxy by

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01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: class that shows that people with no degree or ged

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: are the most likely in America to smoke. It declined

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: significantly after that. Only four percent of people with a

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01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: graduate degree even smoke cigarettes. As we all saw in

1539
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: South Park's great episode on smoking. If you're stuff in

1540
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,480
Speaker 1: your face, full of disgusting processed food and eure obese,

1541
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: do you really have any high ground in telling someone

1542
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: who just got off a shift to not smoke a cigarette,

1543
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: or someone who vapes to relax or just does it

1544
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: to have a good time. We genuinely do have a

1545
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: massive substance abuse problem in this country, but it is

1546
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: always very telling which ones get dystopian government crackdowns and

1547
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: which ones are just good to go. In fact, I'm

1548
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: going to make a declaration here if we're going to

1549
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: start regulating substances by those that are almost harmful and

1550
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: already legal. Why don't we start with alcohol by volume?

1551
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: Alcohol use has gone up so much during the pandemic,

1552
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: we are still trying to figure out exactly how much.

1553
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: At a minimum, tens of thousands of people extra people

1554
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: in America are going to die as a result of

1555
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: alcohol use alone, and alcoholism is seeing record rates at

1556
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: treatment centers. Nobody does wants to do anything. Why well,

1557
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: most people who are elite drink alcohol, a lot of alcohol,

1558
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily the same types that poorer Americans drink, but

1559
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: cocktail culture and functional alcoholism pervades elite spaces, thus zero control. Actually,

1560
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: if anything, alcohol taxes are down forty percent over the

1561
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: last thirty years. Distilleries and breweries are propping up all

1562
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: over the country, and we appear to just have made

1563
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: our peace with that. Why target poor people then who

1564
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: like to smoke? Or how about this one, and I'll

1565
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: really poke the bear. Legalized weed and the wild West

1566
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: usage of high potency THCHC is causing all sorts of

1567
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: insane psychotic breaks amongst teenagers. It's lowering IQs, skyrocketing emergency

1568
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: room visits with teenagers experiencing symptoms akin to poisoning. That's

1569
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: from the New York Times. By the way, by harm,

1570
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,480
Speaker 1: it is actually easy to deduce that alcohol and THC

1571
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: are way less regulated, free flowing and are bad, and

1572
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: yet the remnant they will continue to go after poorer

1573
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: Americans who smoke. The current Biden war on cigarettes and

1574
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: nicotine and the lack of media outrage or even coverage, Really,

1575
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: if it just reveals so much about us as a country.

1576
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: The stuff they use is fine, that deserve rest relation.

1577
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: The stuff they don't, screw them unhealthy rubs. The way

1578
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: to promote health is to make it easier to be

1579
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: healthy by default, rather than just forcing people to go

1580
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: in a certain direction. That's always been the case in

1581
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: America and it should probably remain the case. So, I mean,

1582
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's crazy, Crystal. You know, I was

1583
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: talking with some people and if you want to hear

1584
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: my reaction to Sagre's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

1585
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: at breakingpoints dot com. What are you taking a look at, Crystal? Well,

1586
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: guys lost in the news of Roe versus Wade and Bombshell.

1587
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: January sixth testimony was some major twenty twenty four news,

1588
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: Biden is going to run. How do we know? Because

1589
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: he is already rigging the Democratic primaries to his own benefit.

1590
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: According to biden aid's interviewed by The New York Times,

1591
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: Biden is quote laying the groundwork by building resources at

1592
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee, restocking his operation in background states,

1593
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: and looking to use his influence to quote shape the

1594
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: nomination process in his favor. They go on to spell

1595
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: on exactly what that means. Now, we already knew that

1596
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: he sent a top AID Cedric Richmond, over to head

1597
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: up the committee, but he is making other moves as well.

1598
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: President has moved to consolidate his hold on the DNC,

1599
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: not just by sending mister Richmond to the committee, Mister

1600
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: Biden has also shifted both his social media assets and

1601
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: his lucrative fundraising list to the party, which has made

1602
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: the committee largely reliant on those channels for their own contributions. Furthermore,

1603
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: Biden is pushing to order the state primaries in a

1604
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: way that he thinks will be most favorable to his chances.

1605
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: So Iowa caucuses the aforementioned when we're talking to Sager

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01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: that as the jumping off point, are actually out Michigan,

1607
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: a state where Biden likes his chances because of his

1608
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: political allies in the state, is in now you'll recall it,

1609
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: Biden got clubbered in Iowa. He finished a humiliating fourth

1610
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: place behind Bernie Pete Warren and narrowly edged out Amy Klobashar.

1611
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: And although, of course Bernie staged an incredible polifying moment

1612
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: in Michigan back in twenty sixteen, the Vermont senator has

1613
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: already taken himself out of the hunt for twenty twenty four, saying,

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: in no uncer in terms, he will not run for

1615
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: president again if Biden is in the running. In fact,

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 1: according to the Times quote earlier this month, when Senator

1617
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders said he would not challenge President Biden in

1618
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, mister Biden was so relieved he invited

1619
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: his former rival to dinner at the White House the

1620
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: next night. Man, those are a couple of very sad

1621
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: sentences for me to read. Biden's relief at sanders deference

1622
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: is a strong tell of two things. Number one, he

1623
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: is planning on definitely running again, and number two, he

1624
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: is definitely scared he could be beaten, and he is

1625
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: right to be afraid because, as we've been discussing this week,

1626
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 1: even liberals are frustrated and disgusted with the failed leadership

1627
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: of Biden and co. In fact, those frustrations are so

1628
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: widespread as has gone completely mainstream. Washington Post Perry Bacon

1629
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 1: Junior just penned an op ed calling for the entirety

1630
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: of Democratic leadership, from Schumer to Pelosi, to Biden, Hoyer

1631
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: all the rest to step down. In his telling, the

1632
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: total lack of response to Rowe is a symptom of

1633
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: a much bigger problem for a party that has allowed

1634
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: emboldened right to not win after win over the past decade.

1635
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: We've lost state houses, squandered chances, and fallen short of

1636
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: their very low bar aspirations at every single turn. Now,

1637
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: the lack of response to Roe is a symptom of

1638
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: the fact that the Democratic Party functions almost exclusively as

1639
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: consultant and leadership protection racket. Any political or ideological agenda

1640
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: is wholly secondary at best. As he puts it, quote,

1641
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what can save the country from

1642
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: this radicalized GOP, but Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden don't either,

1643
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: And after about twenty years, it is well past time

1644
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: to give others a chance to lead. Now, those of

1645
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: us on the left have some ideas about what might

1646
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: save the country, but anyway, baby steps here. So with

1647
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: cracks in their standing among normy liberals and absolute apocalypse

1648
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: among young people, you can bet that DEM's looking to

1649
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: keep their grip on the party will reach for their

1650
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 1: standard Trump card electability. They will tell the base that

1651
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: while they might be disgusted ready for something different, they

1652
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: have no choice but to stick with Biden. Why because

1653
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: he'll win, the Left will lose, and Trump is an

1654
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 1: existential threat, so we cannot risk it. But it's pretty

1655
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: hard to bet the whole farm on electability when your

1656
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: dude literally has lower approval ratings than Trump did, and

1657
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: save a miracle is about to get sho lacked in

1658
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: the midterms. All those guns who wanted Medicare for all

1659
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: but settled for Joe on electability, they are definitely looking

1660
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: for some other options. That's exactly why a majority of

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01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Democrats say they want someone other than Joe in twenty

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01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: twenty four, a majority in fact. My sense of why

1663
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: there have been so many will he or want his

1664
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: stories about Joe for twenty twenty four isn't because he

1665
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: or the party is generally not sure if he will run,

1666
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: but because other Democratic elites are generally not sure if

1667
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: he can win. They are trying to decide whether they

1668
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: need to pull out all the stops and call up

1669
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: Obama and try to force Joe out of the race.

1670
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,839
Speaker 1: But as they ponder the electoral chances of Kamala Harris, eventually,

1671
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: as they did last time, Democratic elite are going to

1672
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: suck it up and they're going to back Joe. Really

1673
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 1: is a reflay of what happened in the Democratic primary

1674
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Obama, Cliber and other party leaders. They

1675
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: knew damn well what Joe's flaws were and what his

1676
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: limitations were. They tried in vain to find someone, anyone

1677
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: who might be better. Top Obama staff lock debatea remember

1678
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: that they considered Kamas I'm flirted a little bit with Pete. Finally,

1679
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: in desperation, they took a hard look at Amy Klobashar.

1680
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: But in the end they resigned themselves to the fact

1681
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: that there was no option other than Joe to block

1682
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. This time around, that same pattern will play out.

1683
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: Dumb leaders will leak to the press and floid alternatives

1684
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: and pretend like they don't know damn will Joe's planning

1685
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: on running. But in the end they will line up

1686
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: behind Joe Biden this time around, though the base may

1687
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: not be so easy to force into line. And in fact,

1688
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: after I wrote the saga new report from NBC News

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Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now, great guests I've been very excited about for

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Speaker 1: some time is Madison Hilly. He's the founder of the

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Speaker 1: Campaign for a Green Nuclear Deal. Madison, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me on. I've been a big fan of the

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Speaker 1: show for a long time, so I was really excited

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Speaker 1: to get the invite. Absolutely, it's very very nice to

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Speaker 1: hear mutual admiration. So one of the things that we

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Speaker 1: wanted to speak with you about is about the case

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Speaker 1: for nuclear power in the age of such tumultuous times,

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01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: especially in this context. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, which is that Germany right now is looking

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Speaker 1: to potentially ration natural gas after Russia has gone ahead

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Speaker 1: and cut off supply. This comes off of a string

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Speaker 1: of denuclearization movement in Germany and really all across Europe,

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01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: which is prompting them to actually increase coal fired power

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Speaker 1: plant usage. What does this really tell you about the

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Speaker 1: state of the case for nuclear power, the politics around

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Speaker 1: nuclear power, and really what things should look like in

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Speaker 1: the future. Right so, right now Germany is demonstrating the

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01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: absolute necessity of Bible always available power that can come

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Speaker 1: from fossil fuels or that can come from nuclear The

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01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: problem is that Germany attempted to move away from them

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: both simultaneously. What that actually did is it increased their

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Speaker 1: reliance on imported fossil fuels, namely Russian oil and gas.

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Speaker 1: Now Putin's threatening to cut them off, and every drop

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01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 1: of gas is important to get them through the winter,

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01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 1: so they're turning back to coal for their electricity production.

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01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 1: Right now, Germany is on track to burn more fossil

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Speaker 1: fuels for its electricity than any year since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And that's despite building thirty five percent more solar and

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01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: thirty percent more offshore wind over that time period. So

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Speaker 1: in the face of a generational energy crisis, that's actually

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01:29:55,320 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: really dangerous the government is still seen or they still

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01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: seem unwilling to keep their remaining nuclear plants operating. And

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Speaker 1: to give you some perspective, the three remaining nuclear reactors

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01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: are worth about thirty three LNG supertankers. If you count

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Speaker 1: the nuclear plants they closed at the end of last year,

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01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,759
Speaker 1: that gets you to about twenty percent of the energy

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Speaker 1: of Nordstream one. So every Killawa hour matters in this crisis,

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01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: and Germany is not making it any easier on itself

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01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: or Europe. So I have been persuaded on the case

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01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: for nuclear thanks to my great friend and co host here. However,

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01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I do have some concerns, and in particular did you

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01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: watch the Three Mile Island documentary, because part of what

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01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: that dug into is the way that effectively the profit

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01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: motive meant that, you know, the corporation that was running

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01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: these nuclear power plants, they wanted to cover up when

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01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: there was when everything was going wrong. They wanted to

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01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: skim on safety. They wanted to get the power plants

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01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: back up and running, and again like take shortcuts that

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01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: were extremely dangerous and risked the meltdown of the entire

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01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: East coast because they were so anxious to get back

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01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: to making money. And then you had a government that

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01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: didn't have a sufficient regulatory body that was effectively captured

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: by industry, and so it did create an extremely, extremely

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01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: dangerous situation and required a whistleblower who basically destroyed his

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01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: life to get the truth out and try to stop

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01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: these shortcuts and pause the bringing back online of this

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01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: nuclear power plants. So all of that is a long

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01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: way of saying I'm very concerned about the way that

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01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: the profit motive interacts with the necessity for rigid, strenuous,

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01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: meticulous safety standards when it comes to nuclear power plants.

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01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: So how do we make sure that we do this

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: in a way where profits aren't ultimately driving the show? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I think it's important to put that

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01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: risk into context. So over the entire seventy plus year

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01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: year lifespan of the nuclear energy industry, we have had

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01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: zero death from any radiation, zero injuries. Three Mile Island

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01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: was the only evacuation that wasn't even mandated, But it

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01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: only takes one I mean, this is like what we

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01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: talk about with Russia and Ukraine. Sure, it might be

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01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 1: a remote possibility that we end up having, you know,

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01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: nuclear exchanges that would be disastrous the population. But we

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01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: should go to extraordinary lengths to make sure that doesn't

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01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: happen because the risks are so grave. Absolutely, But the

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01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: issue you run into is if you over regulate to

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01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: to protect against extremely small tail risks that represent very

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01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: small physical risks, you get nuclear that's far too expensive

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Speaker 1: to build. And that's an incredible risk to the US today,

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Speaker 1: both in light of the energy crisis that we're facing,

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Speaker 1: but also it results in the continued usage of fossil fuels,

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01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: which killed millions of people premature prematurely every year just

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01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: from emitting air revolution. Isn't the answer then to subsidize

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01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: the industry rather than to skimp on regulations, Because I'm

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01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,839
Speaker 1: definitely not down for like, let's have a nuclear industry

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01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,480
Speaker 1: and let's have it completely private run and basically deregulated.

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01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: I think that's a case for if we need to

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01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: transition off of fossil fuels and nuclear is the best way.

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01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Isn't that a case for you know, public funding and

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01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: support so that we can move in that direction and

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01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: make it economical. Yeah, And that's exactly what happened after

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Speaker 1: Three Mile Island. You pointed out, I mean the industry

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01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 1: and the government's response was at absolutely catastrophic. It was terrible.

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01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: It's no wonder people are scared in that there are

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01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: still these misconceptions about nuclear. It was atrocious, But the

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01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: industry did actually respond. The industry managed to implement a

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01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: number of safety regulations that not only have made the

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Speaker 1: operation of nuclear much more safe, but it actually increased

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01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: plant efficiency from fifty seven percent to ninety three percent

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01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: that we enjoy today. So you're getting more carbon free

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01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: energy and people are more protected. So the industry did respond. Now,

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01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: a number of advocates, including myself, would say the NRC

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01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: has overcorrected to the point where they haven't issued a

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01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: single operating license to a nuclear plant in its entire history.

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01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 1: So there is a healthy middle ground where this industry

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Speaker 1: is absolutely protected, workers are protected, the public is protected,

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Speaker 1: but we can actually deploy desperately needed carbon free electricity

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Speaker 1: at scale today. Right. I think that's where I want

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Speaker 1: to split the difference, which is that maybe try and

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01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: explain what you mean when you're talking about regulation. Can

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01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: you just go down on that point, which we have

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01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: not approved a new nuclear power plant in the United

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01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: States since the nineteen seventies and so part of the

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01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: risks and even the antiquate ded techsechnology that people point

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01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: to is more of a function of the fact that

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Speaker 1: we haven't built any new plants in what fifty or

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01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: forty something years than where the current technology is today.

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Speaker 1: If we were able to issue new licenses, what would

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Speaker 1: those plants of the future actually look like with government

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01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: support in a technology neutral tax credit environment. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: there are a number of really interesting technological paths we

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01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: can go down. One of them is the AP one thousand,

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Speaker 1: which is currently being built in Georgia right now at

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Speaker 1: the Vocal Nuclear Power Plant, and that's a generation three

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01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: light water reactor. Basically, it's the upgrade of the plants

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Speaker 1: that we see today. But there are also a number

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01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: of other nuclear technologies that are in the pipe that

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01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: could absolutely be deployed to decarbonize our economy. For example,

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01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 1: we have high temperature gas cool reactors which can get

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01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: up to extremely high temperatures to induct to de carbonized

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01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: industrial heat so steal and other capabilities. There are small

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Speaker 1: modular reactors that I'm particularly excited about the possibility of

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01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: repowering retiring fossil fuel sites. So we have not only

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01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: grown in our technological capabilities. But the reactors that we

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01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: did deploy over the past, you know, for five decades,

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01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: are still working in perfectly operable condition and could continue

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01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: to run one hundred years out. So the answer is

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01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: make sure that we keep every existing nuclear planet that

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01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: we have online and also explore these different paths with

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01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: a strategic, coordinated all of government response so that we

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01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: can scale up in the way we need to to

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01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: protect our energy and deliver cheap, carbon free power. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important that people understand that you

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01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: can't just move away from nuclear and not have another

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01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: thing in place. So even as you know, I express

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01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: like I have, I have some nervousness, I have some

1838
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: reluctance about this, I have some questions about the regime.

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01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: But the way we've been doing this, I mean, Germany

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01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: is a perfect example where Okay, our goal is deal

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01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: with the climate crisis, and yet we're moving in the

1842
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: direction of more coal. We have to all admit this

1843
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: makes no sense and rethink the way that a lot

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01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: of environmentalists have approached this problem. So Madison, thank you

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01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: so much for laying this out for us. We're really great.

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01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: Thanks Madison, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much

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01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: for having me on at our pleasure. Thank you guys

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01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: so much for watching. We really appreciate it. We're not

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01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: going to have a show on July fourth. Everybody go

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01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: and enjoy the day. As far as the tickets, make

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01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: sure you go ahead and buy your tickets to the

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01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: event we're going to be having that. If the link

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Speaker 1: will be down in the description for all the shows

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01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: and so forth, show the industry that Breaking Points can

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Speaker 1: sell tickets. We deeply appreciate it, and honestly, they kind

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Speaker 1: of already have. So yes, you them have shown very clearly.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if we sell it out very quickly,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a nice little talking point

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Speaker 1: on our end when we're negotiating in the future. So

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Speaker 1: thank you all so much for showing up for that.

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Speaker 1: Have a very married July fourth weekend, spend some time

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01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: with the family, barbecue, all of that. Yeah, I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: drop saying that married July four I drop it in

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Speaker 1: for everything, Like, all right, guys, enjoy We'll see you

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Speaker 1: back here next week later