WEBVTT - Part Two: Sylvia Browne: Fake Psychic Detective 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.680 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.360 Oh my gosh, look at the time. It's behind the 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.680 Bastards forty five. It's actually two eleven PM, otherwise known 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.040 as eight am in the morning for me, because I 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.439 let my sleep schedule get disastrously disordered and it is 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.160 slowly destroying me and my life. But you know who 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.760 it's not destroying is our wonderful guest for these episodes, 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.000 Cowpen col How are you doing. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.400 I'm doing well. I was gonna make a joke about 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.239 just perpetually being awake, but I had no I had 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.519 no good punchline. I'm good. I am awake, more of 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.519 a more of a morning person, but very excited to 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:41.760 be here. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:41.960 I was. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.720 I was just telling you in the before we came on, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.480 what a fin I am and so especially remember, can 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.040 we talk about Sylvia's voice. Sorry, I'm just jumping the. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.160 Gun and we'll be hearing more of it, don't you 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.680 wear Okay, Okay, yeah, but no, I'm excited to be here, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.360 so thank you for thank you for having me. Yeah, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.120 let's put a pick, because I do want I do 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:03.440 want to hear what you have to say about her voice. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.759 But let's give the listeners like a minute or two 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.080 of it, which they're going to get in a minute, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.440 and then we can really we'll have something to sink 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.759 our collective teeth into. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:20.000 We'll dive in. Yeah. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.640 So, in case you're coming into part two of this 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.360 episode like a maniac, we're talking about Sylvia Brown, who 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.720 is not named Sylvia Brown yet because she hasn't married 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.600 the guy that she takes the last name from, but 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.720 we're gonna call her Sylvia Brown anyway for the sake 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.039 of making this simpler. She is a psychic who has 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.959 found out that if you have are sick or Diana War, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.959 that's because you chose to do that in a past life. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.720 She's gotten out of her first marriage to an abusive cop. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.920 She's moved to California. She has started a psychic foundation 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.440 where she is working to create her own new religion. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.200 So by nineteen seventy five, things are really starting to 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.480 come together for Sylvia. She's getting more and more famous. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.400 She's getting paid to speak at events by local organizations 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.840 in southern California. And usually what this means is like 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.080 an Elks club or something well like entertainment, and they'll 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.320 channel her right, or she'll channel Francine right, so she'll 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.880 she'll bring in and they'll get to ask Francine questions 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.240 about aliens or the other side or whatnot. Right, Like 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.200 it's a game pick, you know, yeah, it could be fun. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:24.600 Right. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.200 This isn't evil. This is just a hoot. It's it's 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.280 the stuff that comes later that gets to be evil. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.519 This is also the period where she claims she starts 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.119 working as a pro bono consultant for cops and quote 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.360 several medical and psychiatric professionals that she knew. Now, this 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.360 is one thing that's interesting to me about this book. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.720 It tells you what a different era Sylvia came from. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.720 Where she has to reiterate several times, I never tell 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.600 anyone to come to me first. I'm always only brought 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.880 in if they've already consulted a medical professional or already 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.400 talked to the police and that didn't work. I'm just 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.000 there to help if they've already tried traditional methods. Never 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.160 go to a psychic before you go to a doctor, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.200 which is like a responsible thing to say, and she 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.680 would absolutely not be saying if she were like doing 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.160 this grift today. Right like today you can just do 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.880 away with doctors altogether. It's just interesting to me how 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.320 even back in her day, you had to be like, obviously, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.800 go to a doctor first. It's kind of a even 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.120 the psychics just doctors less than they used to. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.720 My question about this is why not go to you first? 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.160 Like the cost both in the actual what you're paying 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.320 the doctor and the time you got to take off work. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.000 And if she's so great and you can solve something 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.720 in twenty seconds, why would we not go to you first. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.080 I you know, logically, you're right, it does make no sense. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.119 If she's a legitimate psychic, she shouldn't be saying that, right. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.840 I think it's just that that was too much, Like 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.720 it was too crazy to tell people to do that. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.640 In the eighties. People have been like, you tell people 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.840 not to go to the doctor. That's fucked up, right, Oh, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.720 Like yeah, I think the disinfo ecosystem has just advanced 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.200 so much now. But you're right, like, if she's a 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.640 real psychic, you would want to go to her before 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.160 a doctor, because doctors fuck up all the time, and 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.920 God doesn't, right, Like the spirit will know where your humor? Yeah, right, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.240 So yeah, she's she's consulting and whatnot with all sorts 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.320 of agencies. So she claims and she also starts to 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.880 show up on television. Right this is when the beginning 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.200 of her TV career starts, and she gets asked to 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.239 come to San Francisco, where she will for the next decade, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.440 like almost twenty years, will be a semi regular guest 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.520 on the local TV show People Are Talking. This is 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.640 like a San Francisco like local access show or something 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.640 like that. And finding episodes of local TV shows from 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.159 the seventies is very hard. There's a ton of lost 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.400 media for that era, which is actually really unfortunate, Like 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.680 there's it's a there are efforts to archive a lot 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.840 of that stuff that I'm very supportive of because it's 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.160 a serious problem. That's so much of very important America 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.120 like culture has been lost from that era. So I 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.280 can't show you her appearances on People Are Talking from 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.640 the seventies. I just haven't found any. But I did 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.760 find a nineteen ninety one episode of People Are Talking 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.120 with Sylvia Brown, and I think it's fair to assume 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.520 that this is similar to the stuff she would have 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.599 been doing in the seventies. In the eighties, so we're 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.520 still in the seventies. I'm going to play this clip 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:19.920 from the nineties because I want you guys to get 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.719 an understanding of like what her TV appearances are like 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.600 in the early stage of her career, right, I hope 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:25.400 that makes some sense. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.039 And this was this is twenty years into her doing 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:28.440 this show. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.239 She's she's well, she starts in like the late seventies. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.839 She's been doing it for like a dec a little 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.440 over a decade. She'll be on the show off and 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.760 on I think for like twenty years. Right, this is 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.039 about a decade into her run something like that. And 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.040 before you ask, since this is from nineteen ninety one, yes, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.640 if you can't see, all of the women in this 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.640 clip are wearing it thick shoulder pads and everyone's hair 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.120 looks terrible, just terrible, terrible hair. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.200 The age of big earrings as well. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.039 Yeah, I love the whale eye ball ear rings. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.160 It's beautiful. Yeah, Sylvia looks incredible. She's got, as Kal said, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.800 earrings that looked like whale eve rouse. So the episode 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.680 starts with a very low stake story, right, some guy 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.760 wanted to buy Sylvia is talking about a thing that 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.720 had happened previously where some guy paid her to consult 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.200 because he was going to buy an apartment with his wife, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.800 and he wasn't sure about it, so he asked Sylvia 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.560 it was a good idea, and she said, no, don't 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.880 buy the apartment. It's a horrible idea. And then sometime 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.599 later that guy's wife calls in and leaves a voice 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.520 message thanking Sylvia for telling them not to buy the 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.320 apartment because of what had happened in it. And here's 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.839 that voicemail. And by the way, I do think the 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.480 person leaving the voicemail is intoxicated, but you can make 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:38.599 your own opinions up on that. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.440 People that know me. I really don't beat around the 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.240 bush that much. I probably was a little bit nicer 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.400 than that, truthfully, but I said it's a bad idea, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.680 it's negative. There's something wrong with it. I feel all 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.520 kinds of negative energy around it. And I came on 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:53.680 very strong about it. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:55.359 Now. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.240 He then called our producer Kathy Churmmel and left a 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.880 message on her answering machine, and this is the message 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.120 he left after he talked to Sylvia. 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.760 It's Terry, It's I can see it thirty your time. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.400 I just wanted to tell you that the apartment that 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.120 Eric Clapton's kids fell out of the window I don't 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.400 know if you've heard he was killed the apartment that Billy, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.880 you know and I have been looking at forever that 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.200 he just lost today that someone else bought. So Billy 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.280 calls and says, maybe your psychic's right after all, because 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.200 your psychic said there are major problems with that apartment. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.840 So for what it's worth, he's a big believer again 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.000 in your psychic. Can you believe that anyway? I thought 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:39.760 you'd want to know. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:42.600 Isn't that something? 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:44.000 Wow? 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.120 First off, I do think that lady's struck. But second, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.800 that's a true story. Eric Clapton's son did die falling 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.760 out of a window in a New York City apartment building. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.600 That's what she's claiming is that, like the apartment they 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.520 were going to buy was in the building that Eric 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.720 Clapton's sun fell out of, which, like I mean, first, 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.000 that's a tragedy obviously it's horrible, but also doesn't mean 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.360 that anything was wrong with his apartment. He wasn't buying 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.120 Eric Clapton's apartment, and the child didn't die because the 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.960 apartment was bad. The window was left open while it 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.120 was being cleaned, and the kid hadn't realized and he 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.800 like ran towards what he thought was a closed plateglass 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.400 window to like put his face against it or something, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.080 and he fell over the side. Like it's a really 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.920 sad story. But again, there's nothing wrong with the apartment, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.080 Like they wouldn't have died falling out of the apartment window. Right, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.080 It's like again, whatever, it's just there's this And I 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.760 have no idea at this point how much of this 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.880 is even manufactured, Like if that was like an completely 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.080 faked story because Eric Clapton's son dying was so in 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:50.160 the news. Oh, it's kind of unclear to me the producers. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.840 Would they fact check calls that came in. We don't know. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.160 No, No, I don't know that they would. But also, 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.120 this is like a show like it's about entertainment, they're not, yeah, purport, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.000 So I don't actually know what's going on here. That said, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.800 as we established last episode, Sylvia has a history of 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.319 deciding homes are cursed and not wanting to. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:09.719 Be in them. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.160 So I can believe this just happened to be the 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:18.320 same apartment Eric Clapton lived in. Right, So the next 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.360 question here they go to break and when they come back, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.679 the hosts note that they're having weird electrical issues with 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.520 the broadcast, which always seems to happen when Sylvia comes 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.320 by and she's like, oh, every time I'm on TV, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:31.040 there's electrical issues somewhere. You know. It's the spirits. The 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.120 ghosts mess with the equipment. The recording in the video 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.600 looks pretty clear to me from recording from nineteen ninety one, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.640 but who knows. Next, they take questions from the audience, 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.319 so she's being asked, now, this is a series of 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.920 questions about celebrity marriages and celebrities trying to have kids 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.600 and whether or not their relationships work out, and she 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.679 gets a couple right. She's first asked if Maury Povich 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.840 and Connie Chung are going to have a child together, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.320 and she says no, which we will call partially correct. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.240 The couple had fertility issues and we're not able to 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.280 conceive together, But they did adopt a child not long 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.040 after this broadcast, so partially we'll give her like a 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.040 half score on that one. Right after that, they ask 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.040 about Bruce Willis and Demi Moore's second child. Now, she 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.720 does correctly predict that their second child will be a daughter, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.280 which is like a fifty to fifty guess, but okay, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.400 we'll give her that one, right, she's right about this. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.400 The next one she's asked about is Roseanne bar and 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.320 Tom Arnold, and they were at the time attempting to 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.960 have a child through artificial insemination, and she goes on 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.880 a real rant here. Her whole mood changes because she 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.520 thinks God hates artificial insemination. I can't think of anything worse. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.080 She is so angry at the fact that they are 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.800 getting having artificial incemination. And there's also some weird like 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.240 fat shaving parts of it too, because when they talk 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:52.640 about do you think they'll have a kid? Like, the 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.200 audience starts to laugh as they show pictures of Tom 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.720 Arnold and Roseanne Barr, and I think they're just like 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.400 laughing at the fact that they're like heavier people, right, 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.240 Like it's shitty, it's kind of gross. But I guess 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.440 TV in nineteen ninety one. So the last questions he 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.680 asks about and it is weird to me that she's 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.800 so negative about IVF. But the next question we get 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.880 to is my favorite, because she's asked about Tom Cruise 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.199 and Nicole Kidman, who had recently gotten together in nineteen 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.000 ninety one. And she's asked, like, is this relationship going 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.439 to last? And here's what she says. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.840 How about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.959 They're job, they're cute, and I think that they're fun 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.839 for each other. And I think they're going to make it. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.360 And I'll tell you why, because she's a real strong woman, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.200 and I think he needs a strong woman. And I 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.720 think that's why it's going to be good, because she's 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.360 got the strength. Because he's got that sort of charming 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.439 little boy way about him. He really does. And I 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.520 think she's good for him, and I think she'll whip 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:51.040 him into. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:57.360 Line that one did not correct. Yeah, they got divorced 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.240 in two thousand and one, siting and reconcilable differences. You know, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.800 when you look at this what you're seeing here, First off, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.960 this is a great situation to be a TV psych again, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.960 because it's a bunch of fifty to fifty guesses, right, sure, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.839 and your accuracy is pretty good. First off, if you're 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.960 being asked, will these celebrities who are already famous for 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.199 having a tumultuous relationship, which was the case with a 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.599 lot of these relationships, she's asked her, they're going to 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.880 stay together? It's a pretty good bet to be like, well, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.480 probably not right because like they're already having a bunch 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.160 of problems. Also the same thing with like they've had 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.000 one daughter, do you think their next child will be 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.120 a daughter? Fifty to fifty shot, pretty easy guess to 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.480 get it right. But in nineteen ninety one, Krus and 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.440 Kidman had just gotten married. They had not had any 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.160 sort there wasn't anything in the media about the relationship 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.240 having like problems yet right every all the press about 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.960 them was positive. So Sylvia guessed that they were going 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.960 to last, like she's not. It just really makes the 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:49.720 case of what she's doing here. She can get it 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.760 right when it's kind of a thing anyone could guess, well, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.160 but when there's less to go on, she's going to 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.280 be wrong because she's just she's just blindly guessing. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.760 You know, yes, this is it's such a fifty to fifty. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.480 It's a fifty to fifty and you hate I. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.960 Via right, and yeah, you're really against the itef artificial dissemination. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.640 God hates it anyway. This episode is from the early nineties, 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.600 but she's doing this stuff like this by like from 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.320 the late seventies up through the eighties, and so we 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.640 can safely assume a lot of her TV appearances during 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.760 that period are kind of similar to this, and she's 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.840 she's a good performer for what that show is, right, Like, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.080 she's that's why they keep bringing her on. She does 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.720 the job she's being brought on to do. Uh, And 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.240 the hosts of the show know what they're getting out 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.800 of her, right, and they're they're pretty smart about tailoring 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.000 because she likes to talk about metaphysics and aliens and 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.920 dead people. That's more heavy than you want on like 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.240 a daily time you about celebrity marriages and babies. Right, Yeah, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.240 So this is kind of her at her most public 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.840 facing like media like like this is like the most 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.280 digestible Sylvia tends to get. She is a hit though. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.160 She starts doing fairly well enough that she's able to 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.840 rent a larger office and start hiring employees to handle 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.040 her correspondence. She brings in two full time researchers for 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.320 the Neirvada Foundation and even an early computer system because 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.000 they're trying to map out all of the realities of 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.280 the other side, and you know, how they're ranking angels 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.600 and how angels work and trying to figure out the 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.400 science of all of this stuff that she believes. Sylvia 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.000 starts hosting regular hypnosis sessions and psychic readings and begins 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.760 advertising that she can help clients quit smoking, lose weight, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.360 or fix their life in any number of ways. Sylvia 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.960 says that at first these sessions were just a way 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.920 for her to fund her foundation for psychic research. Quote 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.360 it never occurred to me that these hypnosis sessions would 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.920 contribute far more than money to the foundation and its 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:46.400 efforts to prove that the spirit survives death. So the 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.040 way these sessions prove that life exists after death is 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.480 that she starts having clients who start telling her about 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.520 their past lives. This begins with a guy named Frank, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.040 who just he comes in because he wants to lose weight. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.160 But when you know it, when she puts some down 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.680 and hypnotizes him, he starts talking about quote his life 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.680 in Egypt as a pyramid builder. We're gonna talk about 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.000 Frank the pyramids in a second, but before we continue 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.120 with Frank, we need to make a quick detour to 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.520 the history of past life aggression therapy. This starts like 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.600 the origins of this kind of shit, or in like 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.640 the end of the eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, you 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.680 get these occultists and scientists in London who are kind 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.800 of like like Sylvia says she's doing, they're trying to 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.160 they set up foundations to try to find evidence of 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.600 life after death. And it'll be a mix at this 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.160 point of like spiritualists and scientists, because they're not that 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.360 different in eighteen ninety, you know, like there's not a 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.520 real strong reason to be like, well, ghosts don't exist 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.920 based on the science of eighteen ninety. It's like an 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.400 arguable point really to a lot of scientists at that time, 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.200 as opposed to I mean, it's still an I guess 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.120 you could say an arguable point now, but a lot 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.320 of mainstream scientists are willing to explore the idea that 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.760 the maybe their spirits right, and maybe there's a way 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.560 that we can like like figure out science typically how 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.840 spirits work. That's very much in vogue at the time. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.960 In the nineteen thirties, a researcher at Duke University tries 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.920 to systematically study the experiences of people with past lives 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.520 and start documenting them. And then in the mid nineteen fifties, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.800 Maury Bernstein writes a book titled The Search for Britty Murphy. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.160 This is a fiction book inspired by a real story 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.440 of a woman named Virginia Tie, an American lady who 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.960 came to believe she was the reincarnation of a nineteenth 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.080 century irishwoman. The book was made into a movie that 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.280 was fairly popular and this Obviously reincarnation is like a 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.720 major aspect of a number of world religions, but this 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.800 book helps popularize the idea in a secular sense for Westerners, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.560 reincarnation not as part of an existent belief system, but 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.000 as something you can take all a caart and if 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.160 you're a Christian, you can stick it in your Christianity. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.560 If you believe in psychic powers and something you know 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.600 weirder than that, if you're an occultist or a pagan 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.280 or a Wiccan, you can stick some Like Americans start 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.280 seeing reincarnation of something, I can just grab this, take 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.280 this out of the grab bag of world believes and 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.480 stick it into whatever I already believe. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:08.720 Right. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.200 That kind of starts to really hit in the sixties 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.840 and seventies, and part is a result of this book. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.680 So by the seventies you get a number of psychologists 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:22.040 and psychiatrists offering what they call past life regression services, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.959 where they'll hypnotize or otherwise like put people down and 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.240 to try to bring up their past lives with the 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.320 idea that a lot of psychosomatic illnesses and ailments are 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.199 really caused by If your foot hurts a lot and 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.720 the scientists can't figure out why, the doctor can't figure 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.040 out why, it's probably because in the past life, you 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.120 like lost your leg to a mortar in World War 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.080 One or something like that, or got hit by a horse, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.480 you know, back on the prairie in the cowboy days, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.080 and so you got to if you can access that 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.199 past life, and that past life can explain what happened 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.160 to it, you can fix the ailment. That's the idea 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.679 that a lot of these people are going into in 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.560 the seventies, and in nineteen ninety one, the practice is 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.119 pretty close to it's the peak of its popularity in 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.680 the late eighties. So Sylvia is heading down very well 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.919 trod ground when she starts doing this question. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.840 And I don't I don't know if you mentioned it 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.520 in part one. Do we know what kind of religion, 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:14.879 if any, she was raised with. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.720 Yeah, she's raised Catholic. She goes to a Catholic school 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.600 as a girl, and she respects it and she believes 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.440 in God, but she also has notes sure some. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.120 Of the IVAN because some of the IVF stuff could 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:32.760 stem from that. Yeah, they're very anti IVF. And yeah, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.760 it's just interesting. I don't know, it's interesting to see 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.040 like some of the Catholicism bleed into her beliefs here. 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.400 You can even see it in the idea that like, well, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.160 before we're born, were these fully sentient spirits that pick 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.360 out our entire lives right, Like you can just see 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:48.320 pieces of that there too. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:49.480 Yeah. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.120 So back to Frank. This guy wants to lose weight 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.480 and then starts talking about his life as a pyramid builder. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.880 What Sylvia puts him there? Fry Uh Yeah. Now, Sylvia 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.280 says that the way he talks about hit pyramid building 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.919 is quote so unremarkable and current to him that you 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.679 would have thought he'd stop to see me on his 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.800 lunch break and would be heading straight back to put 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.800 some finishing touches on King Tut's tomb. And this is 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.200 where I got to stop us for the first time, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.800 because King Tut was not buried in a pyramid. King 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.080 Tut is buried underground simply simply not in a pyramid, 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.119 not at all in a pyramid, the opposite of a pyramid. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:22.320 He's in kind of a basement. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.119 Like now, she could have just picked the one that 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:27.879