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Speaker 1: the latest on cam Ward and Shador Sanders plans. As

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Speaker 1: the pre draft process ramps up. Hate the tush push,

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Speaker 1: You are not alone. One NFL team wants to ban

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Speaker 1: that request. We'll tell you what the Competition Committee is

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Speaker 1: First man up in front of reporters Sean McDermott, who

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Speaker 1: spoke with our Judy Batisa about how the Bills can

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Speaker 1: finally get over the hump. Added bonus, tonight we get

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Speaker 1: alongside the aforementioned Judy Batisa and Mike Garriffalo Ian Rappaport,

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Speaker 1: I am Tom Hell with Sarah.

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Speaker 2: We got a special graphic and everything.

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Speaker 1: It's the insiders at the combine right down there. Starting

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, top draft prospects at every position are going

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Speaker 1: to be working out. This is all, of course, the

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Speaker 1: the drills are three days away. We got the franchise

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Speaker 1: right here in Indianapolis, where we are going to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of the top prospects on the field, though

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Speaker 1: the top edge prospect out of Penn State, potentially the

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Speaker 1: not going to do drills here in Indianapolis. Cam Ward,

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Speaker 1: possibly the top quarterback on the board, still undecided from

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Speaker 1: what I am told. I spoke with his quarterbacks coach

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Speaker 1: cam Ward. He is not, as Ian said on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: then is going to throw to some pretty talented receivers,

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Speaker 3: But as I.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned, there's hundreds of prospects, the vast, vast majority of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah's new top tenes, potentially Travis Hunter. We could

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Speaker 1: more to look forward to through the course of this week,

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Speaker 1: and a lot that happens on the field, of course,

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Speaker 1: but also behind the scenes, the restaurants and bars and hotels. Right,

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Speaker 1: what are you most looking forward to besides clean out

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about the restaurants and bars. As you know,

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Speaker 4: that's my favorite part of any But let's talk about

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Speaker 4: the on field situation first. Right here behind us, you

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Speaker 4: mentioned Shador Sanders with his decision, as told me in

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Speaker 4: a FaceTime a couple of days ago, we mentioned the

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on behind those guys.

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Speaker 4: From what I understand based on the evaluators I speak with,

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Speaker 4: it does seem like, as of right now, those are

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Speaker 4: the top two quarterbacks. But who's behind them? Where does

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Speaker 4: How much are we going to see of those guys?

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Speaker 4: Obviously we know Jackson Dart Riley Leonard, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Who is QB three? How high do they go highly

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Speaker 5: What an opportunity for those guys too? If the top

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Speaker 5: It doesn't have to do with the prospects. I'm looking

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Speaker 5: What happens with Matthew Stafford, What about Sam Darnold, what's

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Speaker 6: Well, don't expect straight answers, I mean hard knocks the

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Speaker 6: and it literally.

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Speaker 2: Showed him not answering the questions.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's an exercise of utility sometimes asking these,

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Speaker 6: It's all starting this slot a little bit like we're

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Speaker 2: Comes to the start of the league.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these dominos in the quarterback market fall

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of top prospects here. Daniel Jeremiah put

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Speaker 1: out a new top fifty list. Here's the top ten

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah is the president of that fan club. Going

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Speaker 1: back to the fall, the guy was on this board

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Speaker 1: several years ago, Trey Lance ended up going number three

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Speaker 7: I mean, we'll evaluate the whole situation. I mean you're

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Speaker 7: that group. You know what's available out there, what's going

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Speaker 7: behind that. We get criticized and rightfully so for lack

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Speaker 7: weren't please with our season this year. We had some challenges,

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Speaker 7: you know, from an injury standpoint, But Jerry likes to

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Speaker 7: say the world's smallest violin there. I mean, that's part

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Speaker 1: First of all, on Trey Lance, just real quick for him,

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Speaker 1: thinking that's a referendum on him.

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Speaker 2: For one thing, he's a free agent. This is not

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Speaker 1: But they actually came to him, I'm told, with a

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Speaker 2: Didn't end up working out.

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Speaker 1: There's still multiple teams even after Dallas traded for him,

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Speaker 1: trying to trade for Trey Lance, who.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be interesting in Trey Lance as a

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Speaker 2: Be looking one way or another for a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really fascinating to hear Steven Jones talk

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Speaker 4: Look last year, I know drove Cowboys fans absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 2: This year.

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Speaker 4: I meant defensive line could use another edge. President'll see

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Speaker 4: if DeMarcus Lawrence ends up walking away, could probably use

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Speaker 4: This is going to be the Cowboys free agency that

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Speaker 4: It does seem like the fans will like a little

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Speaker 2: Another opportunity for the front office to do that this offseason.

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Speaker 5: The phrase selectively aggressive really caught my ear as well,

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Speaker 5: because I was wondering, where do you slop that in

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Speaker 5: We saw that last season. They have holes on the

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Speaker 5: have got to address some of needs. Last season was

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Speaker 5: a tremendous disappointment. That's an understatement. And again I am

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Speaker 6: it doesn't mean first round doesn't even mean early second day.

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Speaker 6: It just means a guy that you maybe could get

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Speaker 1: There's certainly a track record of older quarterbacks being traded

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Speaker 1: on with so much more from here the site of

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Speaker 6: What were you doing in twenty fifteen, James Gladstone was

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Speaker 6: on back to back days. Today in Jacksonville. Tomorrow he'll

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Speaker 8: I genuinely believe that this moment me being seated on

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Speaker 8: I won't lose sight of it to less and care

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Speaker 8: a sneed. You guys altered the trajectory of my life,

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Speaker 2: To the Jaguar fan base.

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Speaker 3: I turn to you.

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Speaker 8: With William's vision, with a disciplined approach. You know, we're

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Speaker 5: With that game on.

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Speaker 1: Came on Duvall.

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Speaker 6: talk the new era of Jacksonville Jaguars football. You are

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Speaker 2: You know, if you ever get a head coaching job,

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Speaker 9: I would certainly be a GM Jaguar absolutely won't be

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Speaker 9: And I thought it was really interesting hearing Lean Cohen

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Speaker 9: out of it, or we're going to keep him as

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Speaker 9: the backup. Well, March seventeenth, he has a roster bonus

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Speaker 9: due that's a deadline of sorts we can see, and

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Speaker 9: we're going to see who really budgets first. Does kirk

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Speaker 9: Cousins work with them on a trade or does he

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Speaker 9: take his preferred route and wait and see if he

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Speaker 9: can get released. I think that's going to be an

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Speaker 9: interesting question for them. They are already, oh, he already.

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Speaker 9: He's going to get the money regardless, and so it's

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Speaker 9: how the process goes. They know Michael Pennick is their

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Speaker 9: future quarterback twenty twenty five. He's going forward as a

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Speaker 9: talk to the Falcons brass. They raved about his poise,

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Speaker 9: his ability to come in in a late situation, starting

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Speaker 9: three games off the bench without any prep. They think

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Speaker 9: that he's going to be a superstar in this thing.

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Speaker 9: And now they're just going to deal with this awkward situation.

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Speaker 9: Their Kirk Cousins is.

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Speaker 2: Sunking calls for them essentially.

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Speaker 9: Now it's just how they deal with it, and I'm

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Speaker 9: sure find Noah get blasted with questions.

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Speaker 6: It's a sunking cost, but it's a payment toward potentially

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Speaker 6: getting more back in draft capital, certainly rather than releasing

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Speaker 6: him obviously. But even by paying that money, you're making

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Speaker 6: him more attractive to the next team because while the

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Speaker 6: price tag is lower.

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Speaker 2: So know, with a salary cap now.

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Speaker 6: Approaching three hundred million, I know that this is going

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Speaker 6: to come off the wrong way. But ten thousand or

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Speaker 6: ten million dollars to the Falcons almost feels like a

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Speaker 6: drop in the bucket.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so.

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Speaker 9: And find though mention when I talk to them that

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Speaker 9: they were willing to work the money out if it

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Speaker 9: made sense for another team. And so maybe you have

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Speaker 9: a little negotiations here in the combine. That's part of

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Speaker 9: those conversations. If you really want Kirk Cousins, maybe you

471
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Speaker 9: can jump the wine and get them at a discount.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how they're going to answer it tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: but my belief is that we're going to come away

474
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Speaker 6: saying the Falcons don't look like they're in any rush

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Speaker 6: to do anything here with Kirk Cousins. And this almost

476
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Speaker 6: feels like something that you know, yes, the start of

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Speaker 6: the league year when trades start to happen, but also

478
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Speaker 6: maybe even to the draft and through the draft where

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Speaker 6: perhaps that could happen and Kirk Cousins is not there

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Speaker 6: for the spring program.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, Cam, thank you very much. Thank you, enjoy the

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Speaker 5: rest of your week. We'll see you. Maybe I'm here,

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Speaker 5: I'm here you.

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Speaker 2: At getting off that easy here hot list.

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine starts on Thursday. Exclicity on an NFL Network

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Speaker 1: and NFL Plus all kicks off at three pm Eastern Time.

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Speaker 1: Defensive line and linebackers. It's the forty yard desh, it's

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Speaker 1: the on field drills. It's all the stuff that you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five NFL Scouting Combine presented by Microsoft co

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Speaker 1: pilot Jalen Hurts. On the field, He's, well, what do

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Speaker 1: we look can we had him on?

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Speaker 6: Well, we had him, we had him on here from

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Speaker 6: Disney World, and I said to him, I said, you

494
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Speaker 6: guys are.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be partying all spring. How to meet off spring?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 6: I was just saying, like, there'll be celebrations on of

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Speaker 6: the ring. Ceremony will be at the end of the

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Speaker 6: spring session. And he's like, not offspring. He wanted to

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Speaker 6: be clear that he was going to get back to work.

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Speaker 6: He saw Lane Johnson the other day squatting three hundred

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Speaker 6: and fifteen pounds deep squat. You see Jalen Hurt's back

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Speaker 6: doing the on field work. The Eagles want to defend

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Speaker 6: that title.

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Speaker 1: There's probably doing some squats occasionally here. Well, they still

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Speaker 1: be valuable. In twenty twenty five, well, the Packers propose

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Speaker 1: a ban on the tush push play. This was a

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Speaker 1: matter of time. It'say that doesn't necessarily always look like

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Speaker 1: a football play. The Eagles have executed better than anybody,

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Speaker 1: which is the justification that the Competition Committee has given

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Speaker 1: in the past for why they are not banning the play.

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Speaker 1: Troy Vinson spoke with our Judy Batista about.

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Speaker 2: This very thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, we do have a club playing rule proposal. I'm

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Speaker 3: not I can't reference to club today, but we do

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Speaker 3: have a formal proposal to look at eliminating the tush push.

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Speaker 5: Where you think the committee is going to be on that, we.

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Speaker 3: Will find out because two years ago a lot of

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Speaker 3: discussion around hip drop, which we haven't talked to you know,

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Speaker 3: hip drop. We made tremendous progress in that particular. Hip

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Speaker 3: drop and a tush push was in the same conversation

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Speaker 3: three years ago. A year ago, we felt like, let's

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Speaker 3: just focus in on the hip drop tackle and the

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Speaker 3: tush push to say, hey, the Philadelphia Eagles, they just

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Speaker 3: do it better than everyone else.

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Speaker 2: But there's some concerns.

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Speaker 3: Our Health and Safety Committee has laid it out today

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Speaker 3: with a brief conversation the on the injury report. There's

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Speaker 3: some challenge to concerns that they have that they'll share

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Speaker 3: with the broader group tomorrow, but the tush push will

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Speaker 3: become a topic of discussion, you know, moving into into March,

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Speaker 3: I did not talk about the hip drop, which I

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Speaker 3: have to.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the hip drop.

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Speaker 3: Then we've made We've made tremendous progress. We had twenty

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Speaker 3: seven that we felt like that were had one called

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Speaker 3: on the field. But moving that tackle type out of

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Speaker 3: the game, you know, you still have a you know,

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Speaker 3: a year ago was a twenty x injury rate on

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Speaker 3: that tackle. We're still in that scene. You're still having

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Speaker 3: players miss time when all of those the sados areas

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Speaker 3: show up. But we had twenty seven. We were seeing

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Speaker 3: that two to three times a weekend a year ago.

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Speaker 3: So the players have made a wonderful adjustment, the coaches

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Speaker 3: have made a wonderful adjustment, and we're hoping that trickles

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Speaker 3: down to the collegiate level.

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Speaker 2: In the high school level.

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Speaker 5: Are you anticipating a tweak to that rule in a

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Speaker 5: way that would allow them to throw flags on the

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Speaker 5: field and instead of waiting for the after the fact

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Speaker 5: finds still learning?

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Speaker 2: Is still learning?

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Speaker 3: Good question, Judy, and what we shared with the membership

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Speaker 3: of a year ago it's a tough foul to see

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Speaker 3: real time. It's like the horse call. It took some time.

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Speaker 3: Like the use of helmet, it took a little bit

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Speaker 3: of time. The more they see it, the more they

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Speaker 3: become accustomed. Again, we had one that was called this

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Speaker 3: year Arizona Carolina. It was incorrectly called, but real time

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Speaker 3: it looked like all three or four of those elements exist.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to keep at it, keep chopping away,

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Speaker 3: keep showing the video. The officials we're here with us.

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Speaker 3: They had our Super Bowl crew. They were outstanding in

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Speaker 3: the engagement, asking questions and then sharing their opinion about

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Speaker 3: how we could be more consistent from Crew one to

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Speaker 3: Crew seventeen on off outs.

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Speaker 5: Troy, thank you, thank you so.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the toush push evolved out of the classic quarterback sneak.

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Speaker 1: There are shades of gray to all these things. If

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Speaker 1: you couldn't see hip up a lot of the time

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Speaker 1: last year to throw a flag, I would think tushbush

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Speaker 1: would be pretty straightforward. But I have to imagine Judy,

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Speaker 1: no matter what type of rule they potentially would institute,

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Speaker 1: if this in fact even advances through the Competition Committee,

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Speaker 1: there's going to still be ways that people scheme around it.

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Speaker 1: So what, if anything, could this end up lookinglike?

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Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing about the tush push. There are

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Speaker 5: rules against aiding the runner. There used to be rules

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Speaker 5: against dating the runner, but that was like pulling the runner, right,

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Speaker 5: This is obviously pushing the runner, so they would have

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Speaker 5: to decide on that. He mentioned injury data. There's not

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Speaker 5: much injury data on the tush push because it doesn't

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Speaker 5: get run all that often, thankfully knock on wood, so

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Speaker 5: there's not a ton of injuries related to it. If

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Speaker 5: there were more injuries involved, then you could imagine a

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Speaker 5: health and safety push to get it out of the game,

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Speaker 5: but that's not the case. The thing to keep in

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Speaker 5: mind is they didn't like the way it looked this

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Speaker 5: When the Washington commanders kept jumping the line over and

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Speaker 5: over and over, there were people in the LEGALISTI sort

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Speaker 5: of made a farce at the play. It looked terrible.

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Speaker 5: Do you really want that? So that's an element too

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Speaker 5: of people saying that was not a good look. There's

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Speaker 5: also just an element of people who say, like this

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Speaker 5: just doesn't look like a football play, Like should we

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Speaker 5: have this in the game now? Is that enough to

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Speaker 5: get twenty four votes. Twenty four votes. As we know

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Speaker 5: for all rules changes, is a big threshold to reach.

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Speaker 5: Not sure we're going to get there, and certainly there

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Speaker 5: is the counter argument like if you don't like it,

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Speaker 5: stop it, and everybody will stop running it.

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Speaker 2: The commander, did we.

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Speaker 5: Hear from the Philadelphia reporter?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the command How about the common sense reporter.

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Speaker 2: I'll be that guy.

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Speaker 6: The Commander's jumping over the piles a commander's problem.

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Speaker 2: It's not an Eagles problem. It's not a health and

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Speaker 2: safety problem. You gotta have the discipline to not jump. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it makes it a little bit harder.

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Speaker 6: And the fact that the Eagles do this so well,

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Speaker 6: if Michael Robinson we're here, are colleague here at NFL Network,

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Speaker 6: he would point out that Jalen Hurts almost always falls.

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Speaker 2: To the left. Now, please don't shows I say, I

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Speaker 2: don't show him fall into it.

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Speaker 6: Right now, because Jordan Malana is the one that really

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Speaker 6: gets to push there and something that the Eagles are

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Speaker 6: good at.

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Speaker 2: And that's not a reason to doubt law a play.

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Speaker 6: Now, if you want to talk about health and safety

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Speaker 6: and say Chris Jones got hurt in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: well maybe you shouldn't teach that technique and ask him

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Speaker 6: to do that. I understand why they tried to do that,

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Speaker 6: but that resulted in an injury. But that's because a

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Speaker 6: guy was going sideways when everybody else is going forward.

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Speaker 6: So I understand all the concerns, but there's just not

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Speaker 6: enough from a health and safety standpoint, which is how

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Speaker 6: we see rules changes.

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Speaker 4: Right, you understand the concerns, but you don't care about it.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned earlier in the show you said YadA YadA.

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Speaker 4: I heard you talking and it was really more like

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Speaker 4: YadA YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look like a football play. It just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. That's not true football. You want to go,

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Speaker 2: we'll go on that.

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Speaker 4: This right here is not going to It's really no,

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Speaker 4: it's not it's really I'm sorry, it's really not.

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Speaker 2: It's it's rugby.

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Speaker 4: It's Australian rules football, and I will may Good at

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Speaker 4: my Alta is an Australian football player, but he doesn't

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Speaker 4: play Australian news football. And the fact that other teams

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Speaker 4: aren't as good at it doesn't really have anything to

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Speaker 4: do with the fact that the Eagles are too.

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Speaker 2: Good at it.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that it's not really a football play.

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Speaker 4: So like you could say all the things you want,

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Speaker 4: lack of injury data, you can talk about Chris Jones,

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Speaker 4: all the things.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of football. You guys won't see

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Speaker 2: a lot of football that doesn't all good for you.

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Speaker 6: And do we have research here, because if they get

651
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Speaker 6: twenty four votes on this, there's gonna be twenty four teams.

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Speaker 2: That ran this thing. So you're out on something that

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Speaker 2: even you ran.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 5: I think what some people in the league really fear

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Speaker 5: is that it looks like the kind of play where

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Speaker 5: there could be a serious injury that someday a quarterback

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Speaker 5: is going to go in there and their shoulder is

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Speaker 5: going to get dislocated. Then we'll talk about that. You

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Speaker 5: don't get to that moment somebody sacrifice their shoulder, and

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Speaker 5: then Mike will be.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Howie online one for Ian coming up after this

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Speaker 1: for really earlier today, his quarterback's pretty good at the

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Speaker 1: toush Bush. The quarterbacks sneak as well.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that came up.

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Speaker 1: They'll talk about some others maybe what they can add

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Speaker 1: to try to get over that. Chiefs hump. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: with the Insiders next in Senators.

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Speaker 10: I ever, Mindy, what.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we had any idea at the time

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Speaker 4: what we were looking at and whether Josh Allen would

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Speaker 4: be the eventual MVP. All don't even talked about the time.

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Speaker 4: Was how an accurate he was? Yeah, he could throw,

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Speaker 4: but can he get this side of the bar? And

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Speaker 4: turns out the Bills were like, you know what, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna go through every throw. We're gonna figure out how

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Speaker 4: accurate he would it be if he had receivers who

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Speaker 4: could catch.

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Speaker 2: They drafted him. The rest is history. Obviously, Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: this year one of the best.

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Speaker 4: Seasons, probably the best season of his career leading that

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Speaker 4: Bills team. Not gonna say by himself, but you know,

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Speaker 4: without as much help as usual. Anyway, Josh Allen one

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Speaker 4: of the great combined performers of the last decade or so.

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Speaker 4: We got plenty more on the Bills coming up, though,

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Speaker 4: especially because our good friend Judy Bautista talk with coach

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Speaker 4: Sean McDermott earlier today.

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Speaker 5: Sean, you've had a little bit of time to reflect

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Speaker 5: on how the season went, what you accomplished, how it ended.

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Speaker 5: What are your takeaways?

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Speaker 10: Well, I thought we had a good year you know,

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Speaker 10: one of the harder things to do in our league

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Speaker 10: is sustaining success, and we've been able to do that

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Speaker 10: now for quite some time. The challenge is still remaining, right,

695
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Speaker 10: is how how we get to the super Bowl and

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Speaker 10: win and win a world championship. So that's that's where

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Speaker 10: we're at. But I think the important piece is not

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Speaker 10: losing sight of the success.

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Speaker 5: We had, all right. The obvious question then is how

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Speaker 5: how do you take that step. You've had success against

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs and the regular season, the postseason has been

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Speaker 5: a stumbling what how do you get over that hurdle?

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Speaker 10: Finally, Well, listen, we've been, you know, pretty close to

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Speaker 10: being in a good position to win those at least

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Speaker 10: the last two games in the playoffs. We've beaten them

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Speaker 10: in the in the regular season. To your point, but

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Speaker 10: I don't I don't ever think it's about one team.

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Speaker 10: It's really about us getting as good as we can

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Speaker 10: possibly get this season, so that whoever shows up in

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Speaker 10: those games are self included, that that we're able to

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Speaker 10: rise to that challenge.

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Speaker 5: To that point, what are the priorities in this offseason

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Speaker 5: in terms of adding to your roster.

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Speaker 10: Well, number one is always going to be judy how

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Speaker 10: we retain our players. You know, there's a market out

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Speaker 10: there for all these players, and so it's important for

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Speaker 10: us that we get as many of those players back

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Speaker 10: as we can and then and to look to add

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Speaker 10: from there.

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Speaker 5: All Right, one final one. There's an awful lot of

721
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Speaker 5: chatter out there about you all needing a game wrecker

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Speaker 5: on defense. How much of a priority is that for you?

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Speaker 10: Well, I've always said, good players, great players make make

724
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Speaker 10: coaches look better. So I'm a great coach when I've

725
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Speaker 10: got I'm a lot better coach, I would say when

726
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Speaker 10: I've got great players. And we have great players and

727
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Speaker 10: very fortunate to coach those guys. But hey, all the

728
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Speaker 10: great players that want to come to Buffalo?

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Speaker 2: Come on?

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Speaker 1: Can anybody be Xavier worthy? What's happened before? Tune in

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Speaker 1: this weekend the NFL Combine, presented by Microsoft co Pilot,

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Speaker 1: where a dream that sirt small can get big and

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Speaker 1: a name that's unknown can become the future. Next is

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Speaker 1: here the twenty twenty five NFL Combine this Thursday through

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Speaker 1: Sunday only on NFL Network and streaming on NFL Plus.

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Speaker 1: Some positive results from recent NFL data regarding concussions which

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Speaker 1: reached a historic low in the twenty twenty four NFL

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Speaker 1: season of product a variety of factors, including some of

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Speaker 1: those new helmets that have been developed in recent years.

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Speaker 1: NFL executive Jeff Miller, who oversees the league's safety efforts,

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Speaker 1: spoke earlier today with our buddy Judy Batiste.

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Speaker 5: Jeff, you obviously got a very good report on concussions

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Speaker 5: from the twenty twenty four season. What are you looking

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Speaker 5: at this offseason to try to drive that down even further.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, a couple of elements. Since your point, concussions were

746
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Speaker 11: at their lowest level that we've seen in the last

747
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Speaker 11: ten years, since we've really been recording the data with

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Speaker 11: a great deal of accuracy, so that's encouraging.

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Speaker 2: We talked about a couple elements.

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Speaker 5: With the Competition Committee.

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Speaker 11: One was with the a be of better and better

752
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Speaker 11: and better helmets, how to move more players into those.

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Speaker 11: Not a surprise in year one than you'd have one

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Speaker 11: hundred percent adoption of the best performing helmets, but we

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Speaker 11: need to push more players into those, and we showed,

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Speaker 11: based on some analysis that we did, the increased risk

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Speaker 11: for players who aren't wearing those, so literally, some players

758
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Speaker 11: are at a twenty five or thirty percent greater risk

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Speaker 11: of injury because they're wearing helmets that are not performing

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Speaker 11: as well as the new best ones. So can we

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Speaker 11: move more hundreds of players into those helmets That would

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Speaker 11: obviously advance safety for the game. We talked a little

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Speaker 11: bit about expanding replay assists for player safety fouls because

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Speaker 11: obviously we want fewer helmet to helmet impacts, specifically fewer

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Speaker 11: high speed helmet to helmet impacts which have a greater

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Speaker 11: likelihood of causing injury either that day or to whatever

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Speaker 11: body parts, specifically head injuries. But how would we go

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Speaker 11: about doing that. We have the files in place, they're

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Speaker 11: hard to call. We have enforcement after the fact in place.

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Speaker 11: Fines and such are the things that we can do

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Speaker 11: with replay assists to expand the likelihood that officials are

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Speaker 11: going to call those on field. So that was a

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Speaker 11: conversation with the committee as well.

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Speaker 1: Judy, you've been camped outside of the Competition Committee meetings

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Speaker 1: for the past server. It is glad they allowed you

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Speaker 1: to come here with me, Tom Pellisero here inside Lucas

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Speaker 1: Soil Stadium. What are other big takeaways from what you

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Speaker 1: heard from Jeff Miller and others there.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: First, just to start on what he mentioned about replay assist,

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Speaker 5: they would not use replay assist. It sounds like to

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Speaker 5: throw a flag that has not already been thrown on

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Speaker 5: the fields. But what it would do is if it's

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Speaker 5: a help and safety issue, like hitting somebody in the

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Speaker 5: head face mask, they would encourage officials to just throw

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Speaker 5: the flag even if they have a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a doubt, and then replay assist can make sure they

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Speaker 5: are correct. We'll see if they actually go that route.

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Speaker 5: The other thing is on kickoffs, the dynamic kickoff, which

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Speaker 5: they got really good results. They were happy with it.

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Speaker 5: In year one, they got more returns and the rate

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Speaker 5: of concussion dropped significantly forty percent or so. The question

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Speaker 5: they are looking at, can they get even more returns

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Speaker 5: and still keep the concussion rate low. So they are

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Speaker 5: looking at two different things. Either moving the kickoff line

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Speaker 5: back five yards, which means obviously it would be a

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Speaker 5: longer kick for it to go into the end zone,

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Speaker 5: or do they move the touch back line up to

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Speaker 5: the thirty five yard line, which means the receiving team

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Speaker 5: would start the drive on the thirty five yard line.

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Speaker 5: If you kick it into the end zone or out

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Speaker 5: of the end zone. It sounds like they are leaning

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Speaker 5: more toward that because, as Rich McKay, who is the

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Speaker 5: coacher of the Competition Committee said, he doesn't think moving

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Speaker 5: the kickoff back five yards would do anything because kickers

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Speaker 5: are so good right now everybody can can kick it

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Speaker 5: into the end zone. The other thing they're looking at

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Speaker 5: is do they need to tweak the onside kick, which

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Speaker 5: is basically a ceremonial play. Now it's almost dead, it's nothing,

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Speaker 5: and special teams coaches who have been part of these

811
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Speaker 5: meetings are coming up with a plan that maybe could

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Speaker 5: they change the alignment on onside kicks and that way

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Speaker 5: the onside kick would become a more viable play. Again,

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Speaker 5: I didn't know this, but the historic rate of recovering

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Speaker 5: an on side kick is only thirteen point five percent,

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Speaker 5: So they don't have to tweak it much to get

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Speaker 5: it up that there's just not that many on side kicks.

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Speaker 5: You're not recovering that many. They'd like to get it

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Speaker 5: to be a more active play.

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Speaker 1: And of course they've been proposals four years, namely by

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, to try out a fourth and fifteen or

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Speaker 1: fourth and twenty alternative one play make it, take it,

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Speaker 1: you convert the first down, you get the ball. They're

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Speaker 1: the detractors who say it's just too gimmicky, it's too

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Speaker 1: far outside of the scope of what football has looked

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Speaker 1: like in the past, to the point too on the

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Speaker 1: kickoff and potentially moving the touchback line. That's something I've

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Speaker 1: been told they were planning to do in the first place.

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Speaker 1: They need to get the data first. Drive the numbers down. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's see if we can drive them back up. I

831
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Speaker 1: know Russell is not the tallest quarterback that ever came

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Speaker 1: through a combine book. We get them some shorter short style.

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Speaker 1: That was that long ago is twenty twelve. Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: John Snider. The're the ones who drafted Russell Wilson. Pete's

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Speaker 1: back and in the back on a road coach boarding group,

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Speaker 1: the man of the people, Matthew Edwards, h bet Carol

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Speaker 1: back with the Raiders still flying out from Seattle. Here,

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Speaker 1: there's got a lot of good memories here, Judy, your

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Speaker 1: favorite combine memory.

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Speaker 5: I really love to watch fast people run. I like

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Speaker 5: to watch great runners run, like in the Olympics. I

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Speaker 5: like to watch the sprinters and that is how I

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Speaker 5: feel at the combine so xavier Worthy last year, all

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Speaker 5: of the guys who run really fast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorite was actually the xavier Worthy thing last year,

846
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Speaker 4: and I was I was here. I happened to be

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Speaker 4: filming for the old Instagram and it was like electric

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Speaker 4: Like everyone started murmuring at the same time when he

849
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Speaker 4: finished running, knowing that they just witnessed something unbelievably cool,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't think I'll forget that that buzz for quite.

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Speaker 2: So filming him or yourself. No, him, not myself. I

852
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Speaker 2: wasn't running at all.

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Speaker 1: Because most of the time you're just holding the phone

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Speaker 1: towards her face.

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Speaker 2: He forget the field people do nowadays. I don't care

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Speaker 2: what happens in the field. I mean I sort of care,

857
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Speaker 2: but I really.

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Speaker 6: In Thursday NFL, Mike doesn't care who it is because

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Speaker 6: I love the coaching, GM cutaways in the crowd, Belichick.

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Speaker 2: Reaching for the popcorn.

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Speaker 6: You get to John Payton with the monoculars that he

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Speaker 6: had backwards because he was seeing it from afar.

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Speaker 2: After Bounty Gate, He's used to seeing it from that way.

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Speaker 2: I made that joke back then. It was a good joke.

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Speaker 2: I didn't that didn't really land.

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Speaker 1: If you're the twin brother of another executive, wear a

867
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Speaker 1: name today before you fall asleep in the sands. We

868
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Speaker 1: had a lot of things. We got this two hour

869
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Speaker 1: spectacular tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Look at this. We got everybody on the show.

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Speaker 5: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: You be here, see you then,