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A 20 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: young mom goes missing what is the latest in the 21 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: disappearance of Sheryld. Coker in the last hours, A major 22 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: break in the case. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 24 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Let's take it off with our friends at w d 25 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: T n TV. This is Ethan FitzGeralds would say. It's 26 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: definitely not normal. This is an odd case, to say 27 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: the least. Wednesday Night, Detective Abney says, the department recovered 28 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: Coker's car in a parking lot of Burkhart and Spinning Road. 29 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: Coker has two thousand and sixteen Toyota Highlander was found 30 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: your Clancy's ta her a car locked, her belongings were 31 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: still inside. All her personal belongings did remain inside the vehicle, 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: her purse, cell phone, wallet, ID, credit cards, etc. Which 33 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: added to the suspicion, to say the least. Coker is 34 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: a mother of two, and her family says the circumstances 35 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: just don't add up. No one in the family has 36 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: heard from Coker since she dropped off her daughter on 37 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. She had also missed work that day, which 38 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: again very odd, not a character and according to her family, 39 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: she's never done anything like this before. Seems to be 40 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: very a good mother from what we've been told, and 41 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: again all this is out of character according to the family. Well, 42 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: it certainly is. Cheryl Coker missing missus work, drops her 43 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: daughter off first, and why is her highlander part outside 44 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: Clancy's tavern in the middle of the day with me 45 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: an all star panel. Jim Elliott right now to attorney 46 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities. You can 47 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: find him at Butler Snow dot com. Cheryl McCollum, founder, 48 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and crime scene Expert, 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jasonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 50 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, Psychoanalysts to 51 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: the stars, joining me out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany 52 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Marshall at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. But first to 53 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com. Investigative reporter Levi Page. Levi major 54 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: break in the case. But I'd like to start at 55 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: the beginning. Tell me about the day Cheryl Coker last 56 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: scene alive, So Nancy. It is October two, twenty eighteen 57 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: in Riverside, Ohio, and Cheryl Coker. At seven to fifteen am, 58 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: she drops her daughter off at school, and then at 59 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: seven thirty five she returns home, and she walks into 60 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: Facebook and she shares some post on Facebook, and then 61 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: all of her social media activities stops at seven slow down, 62 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: slot down, slot now stop stop. So we see her 63 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: at dropoff of daughter at seven thirty five. Is that correct? 64 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: Seven fifteen? Thank you significant, thank you. Seven thirty five 65 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: she returns home. That's about right. Drops She's about twenty 66 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: minutes away from the school. How old is the daughter? 67 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: She's in middle school, middle school, so that's usually six 68 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: to eight yea sixth grade to eighth grade drops her 69 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: at seven fifteen. She's back at home in her Highlander 70 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: around seven thirty five. How do you know that, Levin? 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: Because there are social media hosts on Facebook and it 72 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: pinged her cell phone pinged near her home. Excellent, Just fyi, 73 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: you can post from anywhere in the world, all right, 74 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: you can post. You don't have to be at home. 75 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: But that ping convinces me. Her cell phone pings she 76 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: made it back home reminds me a lot. Jackie of 77 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos. How her cell phones that Connecticut mom we 78 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: all know is dead, but she's classified as missing. Her 79 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: cell phone pinged back in the home. It never made 80 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: it out of her suv in the garage. Back to 81 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you Levi page. So we got a cell phone ping 82 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: seven thirty five am. What day is that? October? What 83 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: October second? Can you get the day of the week 84 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: of that for me, Jackie? Please? And was that any 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: special day? Like was it Columbus Day? Was it whatever day? Anyway? 86 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Daughters in school? That's significant? Back home seven thirty five am. 87 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: And then what happens after that? Leavi very quickly please, 88 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: So three hours later, her twenty sixteen Toyota Highlander was 89 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: seen entering a parking mall strip a strip mall. It's 90 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: about less than a mile from her home. Parking strip mall, No, no, 91 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: parking a lot of a strip mall. Yeah, it's a 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: Kroger there, along with a bar called Clancy's. Tas okay 93 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: Kroger and Clancys. But she parked closer to Clancy's and 94 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: not as close to Kroger. Yes, no, correct, okay. Question 95 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: do you is there a surveillance video there in the 96 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: parking lot? Yes, there is. Anne who got out of 97 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: the car her or somebody else. First, law enforcement was 98 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: not able to determine it. But then they further investigated 99 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: this and there was a person dressed in all black 100 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: and they had a hood covering up their face. Play stop, 101 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: stop right there, Play stop, Cheryl mccollin, Director, Coal Case 102 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Research Institute. Can you just surprise me one time? Can 103 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: you not be having an affair with your secretary or 104 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: your assistant? Can you not be having an affair with 105 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: your husband's with your best friend the husband having affair 106 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: with your best friend? Can you not dress up like 107 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: a ninja all in black? Do you remember jovi Arius 108 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: what she said? Ninja's dressed all in black came and 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: attacked me and Travison I lived and they stabbed him 110 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: twenty nine times and shot him. What's what the ninja? Cheryl? 111 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: You know NANSA A lot of times people get what 112 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: they think about criminals off TV, and this is so classic. 113 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hide my identity by dressing and all black 114 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: and cover my head without it, and you know what 115 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: that says to me. It's so not random. It's so 116 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: not random, because if some PERV broke in on her 117 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: while she's at home tapping away on her social media 118 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: and let's just say rapes and kills her and wants 119 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: to get rid of the car. Number one would not 120 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: dress all in black like Ninja, would still have on 121 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: their regular random burglary clothes. Maybe pull the cap down 122 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: that works, but then go to a parking lot and 123 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: park her car. That is somebody that knows she goes 124 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: to that Kroger. I bet you money, Cheryl McCollum. Well, 125 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: not just that, Nancy. What confirms me a little bit 126 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: is the time of day. It is seven thirty no no, no, no, no, wait, 127 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: hold on, seven thirty five is when she gets back 128 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: home from dropping off the daughter. And according to Levi 129 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: page unless he is about to be barbecued, but good, 130 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: three hours pass and then she drops the Highlander off. 131 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: Is that right leg? Around ten fifty is when the 132 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: Highlander is seen going into this stripmall parking lot. But Nancy, 133 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: for me, okay, so you can't even are you even 134 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: selling beer at Clancy's tavern at what did you say, 135 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: ten thirty eleven o'clock in the morning? What time exactly, Levi, 136 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: Ten fifty two is when it pulled in. You can't 137 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: even go into tavern and get a beer at ten 138 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: fifty two. Is that right? You're the expert. Okay, yeah, 139 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: so unless they're having brunch in there, what jump in 140 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollums. Again, my concern is the seven thirty five 141 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: that she gets home. You would think, okay, she's going 142 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: to peddle around a little bit and then get ready 143 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: to go to work. So what occurs between seven thirty 144 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: and ten thirty is what is so critical this person. 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: If they took her part to drop any clancy means 146 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: they walked to her house or didn't have a vehicle 147 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: of their own. Point, I've got a little info on that. 148 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Let's listen to WHIOTV seven. This is Cheryl McHenry. October two. 149 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: Detective say Cheryl left her house on Christie Avenue about 150 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: seven fifteen, dropped off her daughter at Stevens High School, 151 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: then got back home around seven thirty five. She spent 152 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the next few minutes sharing posts on Facebook about a 153 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: seven forty five that morning. Pretty much everything electronically with 154 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: her just stopped. Three hours later, surveillance video shows Cheryl's 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: SUV driving into the Kroger parking lot at Spinning in Burkhart, 156 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: less than a mile from her home. It isn't clear 157 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: who was driving that the pit of my stomach something 158 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: hurt and I knew something wasn't right. Margie Keenan called 159 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Riverside police to report her sister missing after Cheryl's daughter 160 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: couldn't reach her. She wouldn't never, never be gone without 161 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: calling her fifteen year old daughter, but the family wasn't 162 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: alarmed until Cheryl's suv was found the next night, with 163 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: her purse and cell phone Inside Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 164 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: guys are talking about a missing mom, cheryld Cocher and 165 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: in the last hours, a major break in the case. 166 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to w d excuse me, take 167 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: a listen now to w d T and TV news 168 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: reporter Dana Smith. Coker's car was discovered right here in 169 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: this parking lot that I'm standing in, and it was 170 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: picked up by these security cameras right here behind me. 171 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: You're driving into the lot. However, the cameras did not 172 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: pick up who exactly was inside the car and what 173 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: happened to them. Cheryl Cocker's car was discovered in a 174 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: parking lot near Clancy's tavern. Her cellphone and purse were 175 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: still inside the car, but she was nowhere to be found. 176 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: We were in the back unloading a truck, so if 177 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: EI happened right up front, Cocker's arrival to the shopping 178 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: plaza was picked up by Joe Brumley's security cameras. One 179 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: camera was set to record constantly. One camera, which was 180 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: actually Clancy's camera, was set to only motion record, so 181 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: when the car pulled in, there's a few seconds where 182 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: they don't get out of the car and there's no 183 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: movement on the screen, the record is shut off. In 184 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: this surveillance video, Cocker's car can be seen driving down 185 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Spinning Road before entering the back of the parking lot 186 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: and pulling into a parking space and stopping. But because 187 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: there wasn't enough motion on the screen, the motion activated 188 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: cameras don't pick up who left the car. You know, 189 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: another issue I'd like to find out. Let me know 190 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: if you know leave iPad age Crime online dot Com 191 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: investigative reporter was where she parked in a parking lot 192 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: Because when I hear that a woman not in her 193 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: exercise clothes parked the last spot away from the Macy's 194 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: or the Walmart or whatever and walked the whole way 195 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: in in oh somebody else parked that car there. That's 196 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: just my gut reactions. So if you know that jump 197 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: in LEVI guys, Jackie tells me this happened on a 198 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. And an answer to your question, Cheryl McCollum, 199 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: everything goes dead at seven forty five am. No more posting, 200 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: no more cell phone, no transactions, no Amazon shopping, no PayPal, 201 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: no eBay, no nothing, seven forty five and then at 202 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: ten thirty somebody's dropping off her highlander. It's over. It's 203 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: over in about two and a half hours, I leaf 204 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: she's dead again. That's my window, Cheryl McCullum. That's the 205 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: concern that tells me that whatever happened to her happened 206 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: to her almost immediately at her home. It was quit. 207 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Whoever took her car. It might have taken them an 208 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: hour to get her out of the house. It might 209 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: have taken her, you know, them more time to disguise themselves. 210 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: But that is so critical to me that again, almost 211 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: immediately that she arrived home, something bad happened. Sorry, and 212 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: take a listen to how her car is found by 213 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: her daughter, not by police, not by her husband, by 214 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: her daughter. Here's Chris said Escod WDTM. Sheryl Cooker's daughter 215 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: tells me she used to find my iPhone app on 216 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: her phone to try to track down her mother's cell phone, 217 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: and that led her to this parking lot behind me 218 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: on Burkhardt Road, where she found her mother's car with 219 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: that cell phone and purse locked inside. She tells me 220 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: that discovery alone was disturbing since her mother doesn't often 221 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: visit the businesses on this side of the Strip Mall. 222 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: She's always been there for both me and my Sister's 223 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: just hard not having her After a week with few answers, 224 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: Marissa Coker says it's hard to think about the possibilities 225 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: of what could have happened to her mother. Forty six 226 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: year old Sheryl Coker. Police say Coker was last seen 227 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: the morning of October second, dropping her other daughter off 228 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: at school. Marissa says she last saw her mom the 229 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: night before she went missing. I was there for about 230 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: three hours. We were having a good time, listening to 231 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: music and everything. You know. I want to go to 232 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall Psycholis joining me out of Beverly Hills. 233 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, there's just something about a violent felony. First 234 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: thing in the morning. I remember trying to raust witnesses, 235 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: locate witnesses, get their statements, and I would go to 236 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: hike crime areas first thing in the morning because I 237 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: knew you that'll be asleep from partying and committing evil 238 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: all night long. So I would wait. I'd get there, 239 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: get in position, and they'll bust up in their bam 240 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: bam bam about seven thirty in the morning. It worked 241 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: because they're all asleep. I find there's something twisty about 242 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: committing a murderer or a kidnap or a ray at 243 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: seven forty five in the morning. Nancy, whoever did this, 244 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: had been contemplating it for some time. This was planned. 245 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: This was not random, as you said. The perp knew her, 246 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: who was she dating? Somebody was somebody stalking her, had 247 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: with Sara. Wait a minute, Bethany, I could see some 248 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: freaky dude. I mean commit anybody, delivery guy, amazon guy, 249 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: a construction worker, yard person that seizes her leave, dropping 250 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: her daughter off, maybe a do it before Caesar come back. 251 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: Come now, she's the one at that time in the morning, 252 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: and go in to try to write her or go 253 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: in and try to burgle, and then she comes back. 254 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I could say that happening, But what messes that theory 255 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: up is hiding the car. So what happened in that car? 256 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: What happened in the car? Why would car need to 257 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: be hidden. I'm not a forensic expert, I'm a behavioral expert. 258 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: And what I will say is the guy dressed up 259 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: like a ninja is very interesting to me because sometimes 260 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: these criminals are what we call histrionic, which is the 261 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: clinical term for drama queen. They love sort of the 262 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: suspense and the excitement, and you know, planning the crime, 263 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: planning it out is very exciting to them, and they 264 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: have this big plan in their head. And they dressed 265 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: like Tearla mccollins said, like a criminal that they've seen 266 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: on TV. But who in her life would match that 267 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: behavioral profile? Who was a drama queen, who was preoccupied 268 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: with her? Who if it was a delivery man, who 269 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: was the Amazon guy? Was there somebody who you know, 270 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: hung around the house and kept trying to talk to 271 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: her or was preoccupied with her. Whoever did this had 272 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: a big personality, that's all right? Trying to say, well, 273 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: you said, I'm quote just a psychoanalyst, Well you're anything 274 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: but doctor Bethany Marshall. But I do happen to have 275 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: a forensics expert in addition to Cheryl McCollum joining me, 276 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author. 277 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: So what do you believe is the primary crime? Saying 278 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: the home or the car the vehicle is nothing more 279 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: than a methodology of transporting her. That home is where 280 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: everything went down. And and you know, back to what 281 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Cheryl was saying earlier, you know you've got this window 282 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: that you're dealing with in time. It almost smacks to 283 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: me that someone was laying in wait for her as 284 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: she arrived back at home. And I think from an 285 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: evidentiary standpoint, from an examination, you've been in the business 286 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: way too long, Joe Scott. When you're imagining somebody hiding 287 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: in the bushes, lying in wait, if you're going down 288 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: the random rapist road, lying in the bushes, not lying 289 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: in wait in the bushes, I think somebody's in her 290 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: house and they are waiting for her to show up, 291 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: and then they took her out and put her in 292 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: that vehicle and transported her away. That's the only well 293 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: catch this, And I want your expertise on this because 294 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: suddenly the investigation changes. Take a listen to wt w 295 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: DTV TV. I'm gonna start that over w dt N 296 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: TV two news reporter Adam Roy. They're now treating this 297 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: as a homicide investigation. There's a lot of information that 298 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: we cannot discuss a homicide, but still no body in 299 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: the missing person's case that's gripped in Miami Valley since October. 300 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: William Coker, Cheryl's husband, as our one and only suspect 301 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: at this time, Please say, William Coker has been largely 302 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: indifferent to the investigation, showing little interest and finding out 303 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: what happened to the woman he married nineteen years ago. 304 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: So one time in four and a half months, we've 305 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: been contacted by mister Cookers in regards to Cheryl's whereabouts, 306 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, concerning whether enough she's even alive, where she at. 307 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: We have asked mister Coker to take a polygraph at 308 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: this current time, after multiple request for a polygraph, mister 309 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: Coker is reluctant to do so. At this time. I 310 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: can't wait to find out what is it that they found? 311 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: What evidence? Was it blood spatter? Was it? Well? What 312 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: could it be that they found that suddenly turned this 313 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: case on its head. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to you, 314 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott, high profile lawyer with butler Snow, what do 315 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: do lawyers tell their clients how to behave? Because or 316 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: maybe they should because showing absolutely no interest and the 317 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: disappearance of your wife, that's a problem. No interest in 318 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: four months the husband calls what maybe once and almost 319 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: four and a half months. I mean, can't you just 320 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: teach them to pretend they care? Well, Jim Elliott, you're 321 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: the little defense lawyer. Well, I mean there are other 322 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: great are experts on here than me people's behavior, but 323 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: a client cannot cannot become something they're not concerned carrying 324 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: that apathetic whatever it is they are. Well, that's true. 325 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: That's going to show after this long and actually in 326 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: this case, they had just filed for divorce, so cops 327 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: may have said, oh, he's totally faking it. He's calling 328 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: every days in the middle of a divorce. He doesn't care, 329 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: although just once in four months, Jim Elliot, Jim Elliott, 330 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: do you remember does this name ring a bell to you? 331 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson absolutely remember that name. How turns out he 332 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: was cheating on his pregnant wife, and everything about him 333 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: just seemed fake. Every interview he gave, every statement he gave, 334 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: he really didn't seem that interested in finding Lacy. Do 335 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: you remember the big vigil that was held in the 336 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: park and at first he wasn't even speaking out her family, 337 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: her mom and stepdad were speaking out, not the husband. 338 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that just smells bad, Jim Elliott. Certainly, words 339 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: are one thing, Nancy, but a person's demeanor tells an 340 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: awful lot more about the man. You are so right 341 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: about that, Jim Elliott. Now, of course, in court, defense 342 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: attorney's sad to say, like Jim Elliott, that's why he 343 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: wins a lot of cases because he seems so earnest. 344 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: But he's right about that. Gerard's look at the demeanor 345 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: of a defendant, Cops look at the demeanor of a defendant, 346 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: and he's right. If you try to get your client 347 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: to fake it, that's not going to work either. In 348 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: the last hours, a major break in the case. But 349 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: I want you to first hear WHIOTV seven Mike Campbell 350 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: speaking to the husband. Did you ever see Cheryl come 351 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: back after dropping off? No, but I got up to 352 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: for a few minutes and shootes in the shower. But 353 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: I didn't see her, and this would have been after 354 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: she dropped mkaal off. Yes, okay, so then, um, you 355 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: didn't see her at that point, then did you go 356 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: back to sleep and then when you woke back up 357 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: she was gone. Yes, and her car was obviously then 358 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: gone as well. So who do you think that is 359 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: on camera at the Kroger lot park in that car 360 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: and then walking away. I don't know. Someone from that, 361 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: someone from that because she was meeting people and probably 362 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: wanted me to think, you know, I don't know. I'm 363 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: just cussing. Well, I don't know what I expected, but 364 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: I got. I don't know. Right there, Cheryl McCallum. It's 365 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: making my teeth hurt because no matter what time I 366 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: get up in the morning today it was five o'clock 367 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: in the morning, my husband is right there. What do 368 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: you mean she gets up and takes the children to 369 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: work to school, then she has typically goes to work 370 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: and he's still laying in the bed idle hands the 371 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Devil's workshop. Go ahead and laugh, but that's the truth, 372 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. He went back to sleep, well, he went 373 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: back to sleep, so he doesn't have to have any memory. 374 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: That's going to be his story. My concern starts when 375 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: the sister has to report her missing again. He doesn't 376 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: even report her to the police of missing. He shows 377 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: no concern at all from the beginning. I don't care 378 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: what's going on in that marriage. That woman was the 379 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: mother of his child, and he should have been concerned 380 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: enough for that child. You know, the girls were scared. 381 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this makes no sense that he's so lacks. 382 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Today's lit and his response to what's occurred. Guys, in 383 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: the last hours, there has been a major break in 384 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: the case. Take a listen to Greene County Sheriff Jane Fisher. 385 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: The afternoon, about five thirty, we received a phone call 386 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: from a resident on Waynesville Jamestown Road who was out 387 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: mushroom hunting and found what appeared to be bones in 388 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the field. The officers went down, detectives were called out. 389 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: We recovered several bones and a skull that after that 390 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: evening and went back out to the scene today with BCI. 391 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: The bones that were recovered were taken to the green 392 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: County or the Montgomery County Crime Lab, and those bones 393 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: were identified this afternoon as that of Cheryl Cocher listing 394 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: out of Riverside. The remains, now skeletonized of Sheryl Cocher 395 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: have been found. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 396 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: Levi Page, what happened. So, this person was looking for 397 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: mushroom in a remote wooded roll area fifteen minute drive 398 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: from Cheryl's home, and they discovered her skull. It's about 399 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: seventeen miles away from where she as a matter of fact, 400 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: take a listen to w dt in two news reporter 401 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Kristen Esco. It's devastating, but yet when I talked to 402 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the family, it's, you know, it's a little bit of 403 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: peace of mind right now because they at least they 404 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: know where Cheryl is. David Raiders says he never gave 405 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: up hope Cheryl Cooker would be found. He and his 406 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: team from Texas Equa Search helped organize fourteen searches for Coker, 407 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: the most recent one two weeks ago. He says they 408 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground but never looked in the 409 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: area along Waynesville Jamestown Road where a mushroom hunter found 410 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: her remains Saturday evening. I found some bones along the 411 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: side of the road. Okay, well, actually we're in clue. 412 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: We probably went out ten to twelve miles in every direction, 413 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: and from what I understand, this was probably anywhere from 414 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty miles from her resident to Joe Scott 415 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Morgan joining me, Professor of Forensics Jacksonall State University. What 416 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: does the location and the manner in which Cheryl's skeletonized 417 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: remains are found tell you about the killer's mo Well, 418 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: the fact is is that this is an isolated location. 419 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: But yet but yet it's still within an easily drivable distance. 420 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can make that trip in that period 421 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: of time from when she last was seen or last 422 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: known to be on her social media until we see 423 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: that car being parked, and that's significant. We're only talking 424 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: fifteen to seventeen miles away from her home. And this 425 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: is also an area that individuals around this particular town 426 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: would probably be at least passing familiar with. You know, 427 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: they know that there is a wooded area, they know 428 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: that there's a rural area where something could kind of 429 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: lay up in an obscure way, and yet there's not 430 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: a lot of work there that you have to do. 431 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: You know, from my understanding, Nancy, where these remains were fair. 432 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: There was not even any evidence at all that a 433 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: grave had been dug. And that's significant because the remains 434 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: are laid on top of the ground. On top of 435 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: the ground, we still have skelter remains, a skull, and 436 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: we have clothing, and that's a big piece of this name. No, 437 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting about that. It's the first thing our producer, 438 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Brett said, was what idiot his words, not mine, would 439 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: try to hide a body and leave identifiable clothing on it. Plus, 440 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: if you have, especially any type of synthetic fiber, that 441 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: is not going to deteriorate over time. Crime stories with 442 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace guys. In the last hours, there has been 443 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: a major break in the case of missing mom Cheryl Coker. 444 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: We now know that her remains have been found skeletonized 445 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: in an isolated and wooded area. But the dichotomy remains 446 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: that while her killer took her remains to this isolated 447 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: area only found by people hunting from mushrooms in a 448 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: densely wooded spot, the body was not buried straight back 449 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State. 450 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: That tells me so much about my killer. Way in 451 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah. What it tells me is this was 452 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: an area that had been identified for a dump location, 453 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: but it was quickly done. We're gonna get this body 454 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: from the roadway where we park on the side of 455 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: the road perhaps, and we're gonna take this body out 456 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: as far as we can humanly, take it away from 457 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: anybody that could physically see it, and just lay it 458 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: on the ground. And that's what this individual did. And 459 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: what about the clothing. Clothing found with the remains has 460 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: been turned over to a higher bureau criminal investigation. But 461 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: hold on, I need to shrink on that other question, 462 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. What does it tell you that the prop 463 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: takes the body that far out and then doesn't bother 464 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: to bury it? Nanthe you could do one of two things. 465 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: It could be complete and utter contempt for Cheryl Coker, 466 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: because we know even the worst of criminals will place 467 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: a blanket over the body, or they will bury it 468 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave, or there's an active decency at 469 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: the very end. It's always so strange, but they do that. 470 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: So this is complete and utter contempt. Or whatever happened 471 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: to her was so quick, so violent, so unpremeditated in 472 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: her home that the purp didn't even have a chance 473 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: to prepare a dumped sight. I mean he just thought 474 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: hastily of the most wooded area, the most remote dumped 475 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: and then needed to get back to work or show 476 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: up somewhere so that he would have an alibi as 477 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: to win a ryl went missing. At crime online dot Com, 478 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: you can actually see the video the body came footage 479 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: from the cops where two male mushroom hunters lead them 480 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: to the spot where they find Sheryl Coker's remains just 481 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: lying out there to be attacked by animals to really 482 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: showing contempt for her. The clothing found the remains turned 483 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: over to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation. What do 484 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: you think, Sheryl McCollum, about the possibility that forensic evidence 485 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: maybe found on that clothing. I don't think there's any 486 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: question that's gonna be. You're gonna have a hair, you're 487 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna have in sales left from touch DNA. There's gonna 488 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: be a lot of evidence owned back clothing. The most 489 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: important thing is what was she wearing. Was she wearing 490 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: the exact same clothing that she wore? Was she dropped 491 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: a daughter off or is she already started to change 492 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: clothes to go to work. Everything is going to be relevant. 493 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: The most relevant thing on top of the forensic evidence 494 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: is the manner of death. Was she stabbed? Was she strangled? 495 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Was she shot? Was she thankfully assaulted? All of these 496 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: things are gonna give us a lot of answers. I 497 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: don't know, Levi Page. Was she totally skeletonized? Is there 498 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: any tissue left? Not tiss you left? She was totally skeletonized, Nancy, 499 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: and the clothes were actually it was not distarted beside 500 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: of her. The skeleton still had the clothes on it. 501 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: I don't know why. That just struck me wrong. It's 502 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: a grotesque picture just to think of. It's a horrible 503 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: visual that her children are going to have to live 504 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: with the rest of their life, their mother's body left 505 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: out in a wooded area, practically on the side of 506 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: the road, unburied until she's skeletonized. Joe Scott, what, if anything, 507 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: do you believe what forensic evidence could possibly be attained 508 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: from those clothes? Well, if there are any kind of tears, rips, 509 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: or you know, we call them defects in the continuity 510 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: of the clothes. Let's say a bullet has passed through 511 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: the shirt might be able to find that if there 512 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: is a slicing or cutting wound that might potentially be there, say, 513 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: for instance, on the shirt, if there is any kind 514 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: of blood staining, that might be there. But Nancy, keep 515 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: in mind, this body's been out there for quite some time. 516 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: I think up to eighteen months if I'm not mistaken, 517 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: so evidence could potentially be greatly diminished. I think that 518 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: for me, as a forensics guy, I really want to 519 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: take a close look at the skeletal remains, particularly the head. 520 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: We don't have any soft tissue to go on, and 521 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: skeletal now remains are the most difficult to determine manner 522 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: and cause of death with. Are there any defects in 523 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: the skull, any fractures, any trauma that you know what's 524 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: very very odd? LEVI page please describe for Jim Elliott, 525 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: renowned attorney joining us about the one of the last 526 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: texts that Cheryl Coker sent to a co worker. Yes, so, 527 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl filed for divorce September twenty feet and then September 528 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, she was texting with a coworker and she said, 529 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: I'll be in if I'm not dead, I'll see you 530 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: tomorrow if I'm not dead, So why'll you marinate and 531 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: that text? Jim Elliott, what's your advice? What would you 532 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: have advised when the husband in midst of a divorce 533 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: was asked to come take a polygraph? Now you and 534 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: I know that unless it's stipulated ahead of time, a 535 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: polygraph is not admissible in criminal court unlike civil court. 536 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: Would you have advised him to take a polygraph or no? 537 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: Jim Elliott resenting him, I would not, because, of course 538 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: the value of a polygraph is that it leads to 539 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: discovery of other evidence. Yes, there was some reason he 540 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: didn't want other reverdence to be discovered. So you say, no, 541 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: you agree with him not taking the polygraph if you 542 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: were his client, I mean, if you were his lawyer. Okay, 543 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you were a cop you'd want of 544 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: him to do otherwise. But I hear you. I mean, look, 545 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: when they got oj Simpson to take a polygraph, you 546 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: know he flunked at like a negative forty. It's horrible 547 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: that didn't come into criminal court, did come into the 548 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: civil case. So to doctor Bethany Marshall, what do you 549 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: make of the text that Cheryl sent. Now, the defense 550 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: is going to argue, hey, maybe she didn't send it. 551 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: The alternative as somebody gets on her phone and sends 552 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: a scary message that says, see you tomorrow if I'm 553 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: not dead, leave. This is a really common story. Worry 554 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: for women who are victims of domestic violence that they 555 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: will let people know, and in particular coworkers. For some reason, 556 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: I think a coworker is a person who's not in 557 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: your inner circle. It's not like a mother or a 558 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: sister or a brother that will go and confront the 559 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: situation directly, but it is someone in your life to 560 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: whom you're accountable and with whom there's predictability and regularity. 561 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: So that person is the first person who's going to 562 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: know if you've gone missing. Bethany, Bethanie, Yes, are you 563 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: sitting down? You better lay down for this, Jackie, let's here. 564 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: WHIOTV seven Cheryl McKinley. In the months leading up to 565 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: her disappearance, there were a number of key developments in 566 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: her personal life. Cheryl filed for divorce on September twenty first, 567 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: seeking custody and alimony. Cheryl knew her husband had a girlfriend. 568 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: Police have questioned both They've both been very cooperative with 569 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: us at this point. And then there were suspicious texts. 570 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: Bill Cocker's girlfriend told police Cheryl texted her on August 571 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, asking that if Cheryl were to die or 572 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: wasn't in the picture, would she pursue a permanent relationship 573 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: with Bill. It was reportedly sent by Cheryl, but we're 574 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent, and then says she actually did sing. 575 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: Another text from Bill to Cheryl on September twenty fourth, 576 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: thanks for putting the nail in my coffin, And that 577 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: same day a text from Cheryl to a co worker, 578 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: I will be in tomorrow if I'm not dead. And 579 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: remember the trip to Florida Bill Coker had taken with 580 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: his daughter. Police confirmed he took his girlfriend too, something 581 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: Cheryl's best friend says, Cheryl could not have known. And 582 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: I think that Mamma there would have came out if 583 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: she would have known. That other woman, cherylm a column. 584 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: Could you just tell me I'm missing one one key 585 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: bit of information. Where's the indictment? Where's the indict problem. 586 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Nancy. This thing should have gone to 587 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: grain jury a long time ago. As far as i'm concerned. 588 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: The police have already said, not only is he a suspect, 589 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: he's the only suspect. Guys, we wait as justice unfolds 590 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: for this mom. Cheryl Cocher Nancy Gray's crime story, signing 591 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,