1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. Sit is Wednesday, January seventh, and the 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: news he was coming on this day. Nick Reiner is 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: not guilty, according to his ex lawyer trying to piece 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: that together on what was a pretty stunning day in court. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose. The 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: death of Rob Reiner and his wife was December fourteenth. 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Don't have that right. So here we are. It's ben 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: sever week. He still hasn't entered a plea and we 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: thought we were finally going to hear it today and 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: then boom, he needs a lawyer. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all waiting for this arraignment hearing, this 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: long awaited arraignment hearing. It's almost been a month since 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Reiner were brutally stabbed to death. And 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: so yes, we were waiting to hear. Is Nick Reiner 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: going to plead not guilty by reason of insanity or 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: give some sort of indication as to where his defense 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: was going. A lot of folks were waiting to hear 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: what we would find out, And what we found out 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: was what we weren't expecting at all. That his high 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: profile LA attorney who represented Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: and just so many other high profile folks is now 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: no longer representing Nick Reiner. 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: We don't know why. Don't know why, but he came 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: in and told the judge had had no choice in 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: the matter, had to be done. The judge said okay 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: and allowed him to remove himself as counsel of records. 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: So Nick Briner case, this high profile, this big of 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: a deal double murder, has a public defender right now, 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: and that public defender is going to be the one 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: who stays with him at least through the arraignment. It 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: sounds like, don't know if he'll good another lawyer, but 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: ropes this. Even if you don't know who this lawyer is, 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: you know this lawyer. He's a LA dude, Right, there's 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: just some LA lawyers who represent high profile folks. He 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: looks every bit that part with the sue and that 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: he's just that guy. So when we heard that Nick 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: Reiner hired this guy, like, wow, what defense is he 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: going to come up with? Because we knew it was 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: going to be something. 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and when you have that kind of a lawyer 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: with that kind of a name and that kind of 42 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: book hailing from LA, you know it's going to require 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: that kind of money, because not everybody can hire Alan 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: Jackson to defend them. And it turns out now it 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: looks like we don't know the official reason why he 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: stepped away. But I did tell you I was reading 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: in the New York Times and I think this is interesting. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: They this is how they put it. It may suggest 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: that the Reiner family, Nick has two siblings. Of course, 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: we know that they spoke out after the deaths of 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: their parents. They say that this move may suggest that 52 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: the family has distanced itself from Nick Reiner and his 53 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: legal case, at least financially. They're suggesting this was a 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: money issue, and if Nick Reiner didn't have the financial 55 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: support of his siblings or at least members of the 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: Reiner family who do have access to money, then he 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: is left without the ability to pay a high profile attorney. 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: That is one possibility. 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: This is going to be expensive, and this is going 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: to go on for months, could be years that you 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: need this representation. And I was surprised when he got 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: this guy, but I was so curious to hear what 63 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: he was going to come up with. And we thought 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: maybe some breadcrumbs were put out there for it intanny defense. 65 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: But he this lawyer came out after stepping down, said 66 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: to reporters outside that Nick Reiner is not guilty of 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: these charges. What does he mean by that? 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: There have been a lot of reports that have been 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: leaked out about Nick Reiner's diagnosed or schizophrenia diagnosis that 70 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: happened within the last couple of years, that he was 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: on medication, that his medication had just been adjusted or 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: changed in the weeks leading up to the deaths of 73 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: his parents. It seemed as though with these probably specifically 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: positioned leaks of information, they were setting up the possibility of, yes, 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: some sort of insanity defense, that he was off his meds, 76 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: that he is schizophrenic, that he did not know what 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: he was doing. That seemed like that was where it 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: was headed. But now we are left with no answers. 79 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: Alan Jackson said this specifically, I am legally and I 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: am ethically prohibited from explaining all the reasons why. I 81 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: know that's a question on everybody's mind. Why, yeah, why 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: are you now leaving? 83 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: And I actually don't know, I mean, attorney client something 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: in there, some agreement he can't speak on it. I'm 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: so curious, can you not just say, Look, he couldn't 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: afford me. You don't want to come out and say that, 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: but it might be the case. Is there some other 88 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: conflict of interest going on behind the scenes? Did he decide, 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I can't help you that I can 90 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: do who knows well? 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: And we were talking talking about that, and you know, 92 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: you remember Alan Jackson represented Harvey Weinstein. That's probably one 93 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: of the more despicable clients that he had in terms 94 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: of what a lot of people look at when they 95 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: see who defense attorneys take on. So if he was 96 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: willing to take on Harvey Weinstein, it's hard to imagine 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: that somehow he wouldn't ethically be able to take on 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: Nick Grant. And that defense attorneys always say every single 99 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: person in this country, regardless of what they're accused of, 100 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: as heinous as it is, deserves a fair trial. So 101 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: I think most of those attorneys will absolutely swear by that, 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: and I'm sure Alan Jackson is of that same opinion, 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: because that is what defense attorneys do. They get into 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: the business knowing they're going to have to hold their 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: nose sometimes and maybe take some incoming for people questioning 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: how could you defend someone like X y Z. So 107 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: it's I doubt I highly doubt that someone of his 108 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: stature would shy away from a case like this because 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: of the notoriety of that. 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: I give you that for sure. This is how you 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: earn your money. This is how you get all the 112 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: cameras on you and you show what you can do. So, yeah, 113 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: this is the arena that these guys live for. So surprised, 114 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: surprise he got hired in the first place, and in surprise, 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: this is a shocker today because we were expecting something 116 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: different he was in court to that, I think you 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: read more about the descriptions of what Nick Reiner how 118 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: he appeared in court today. 119 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: Yes, so those who were in the court room described 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: him as with a he had a newly shaved head, 121 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: he had a five o'clock shadow. But what was most 122 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: interesting to me is he was described as on the 123 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: verge of tears during this particular court appearance where his 124 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: attorney was saying, I am no longer representing Nick Reiner 125 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: and he was assigned this public defender. And yes, they 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: described him as very emotional, which, look, we have It 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: just seems like in recent months we've covered these high 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: profile cases and court hearings and even trials, and one 129 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: of the things that always stands out is so many 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: of these defendants are should lists. So when you see 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: someone and look, he is accused of murdering his parents, 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: I can't think of anything much worse than that, or 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: murdering members of your own family. You can understand as 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: a human why he would feel emotional. But he didn't 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: appear to be that way beforehand. Who knows what's going on. 136 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: Who knows if this was about his attorney, if maybe 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: remorse has set in, if he is guilty of the 138 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: crimes he's accused of, if maybe he feels now like 139 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: his whole family has turned their back on him. Who 140 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: knows what's going on. But it was described he was 141 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: described as being on the verge of tears. 142 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: And the only I saw several headlines as well that 143 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: described him at some point having a smirk on his face. Right, 144 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: so look different. A bunch of reporters in that room, 145 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: and everybody had an opinion and an observation about what 146 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: they saw in that room. But this is now Robes, 147 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: This is where do we go because this is now 148 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: the new trial of the year kind of a situation here, 149 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: and all ready we already seeing how complicated it might 150 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: end up being. 151 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was waiting for this arraignment hearing at eleven 152 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: thirty in the morning. I had pulled up the live 153 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: camera on my computer, and they kept showing the press 154 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: that was sitting outside because they had nothing else to show. 155 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: Because things were getting delayed. People didn't know what was 156 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: going on. We weren't getting worried about what was happening, 157 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: So the cameras were pointed at the media and this 158 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: was as large of a gaglet of press as you 159 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: could imagine. So, yes, this is a huge spectacle. There 160 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: is so much public interest in this, and most of 161 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: it is in understanding the why and what happened and 162 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: now the whereas another why is your lawyer now no 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: longer able to defend you? And even more mysteriously hearing 164 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: the lawyer say I can't ethically tell you why. That's 165 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: even more confusing. 166 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: But also came out and said my ex client is 167 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: not guilty. So not the day we were expecting day 168 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: of headlines out of there. But in all of this, 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: of course, there are two victims, Rob and Michelle Reiner. 170 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: Everybody keeping them in their thoughts these days. But we 171 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: did hear from the family in a brief statement today 172 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: will tell you exactly what they said, and we'll tell 173 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: you the next time Nick Reiner is expected to be 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: in court. 175 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back everyone. We are talking about another 176 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: developing story with a twist that we weren't expecting. Nick 177 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Reiner was supposed to finally enter a plea. He finally 178 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: had his arraignment hearing following the murders of his parents 179 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: in December December fourteenth, in the early hours of December fourteenth, 180 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: that is when police say Rob and Michelle Reiner were 181 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: brutally stabbed. They have charged the Reiner's son, thirty two 182 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: year old Nick, with their murders. And today, yes, we 183 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: were expecting a plea of some sort. We were supposed 184 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: to hear what he had to say. We might, We 185 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: thought we might get the first idea of what his 186 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: defense could look like. But his high powered, high profile attorney, 187 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: Alan Jackson told the court in a very shocking statement 188 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: that he was no longer going to be representing Nick, 189 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: and a lot was made of what was happening inside 190 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: that courtroom. Something of note in I believe in just 191 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: the last couple of days leading up to this arraignment hearing, 192 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: there were some things that had happened for Nick that 193 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: seemed positive. He was taken off of suicide watch. He 194 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: didn't have that suicide vest on him like we had 195 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 2: seen him in before. He had been in solitary confinement, 196 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: so it seemed as though perhaps maybe even his mental 197 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: state was improving and we were going to start to 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: see his defense form and instead we got a very 199 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: very different situation in court today. 200 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: He's going to need a different lawyer. We've covered cases 201 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: where people are winning on appeals or at least making 202 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: a case during appeal that I didn't have good representation, 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: and we've seen the public defenders just have a look, 204 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: I got another load of work over here. That's paying 205 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: me more money than you're paying me for being a 206 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: public defender and not putting a lot of time. He's 207 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: going to need none of the lawyer. This is a 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: double homicide case with a possibility of the death penalty. 209 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: We don't know yet, but he's been charged with special 210 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: circumstances will at least allow the prosecutors to pursue the 211 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: death penalty if they want. I think the hold up, 212 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: at least as far as everything I've read, is don't 213 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: know if the family they want to check to see 214 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: if the family is on board with the death penalty, 215 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: and by all accounts, no, they wouldn't be. So maybe 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: that's why we don't have that answer yet. But we 217 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: have another what month and a half before he's in court. 218 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: Again, February twenty third. Now is his new arraignment. I 219 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: mean he was supposed to be arraigned almost immediately after 220 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: he was arrested. That got postponed and it was did 221 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: you get the sense that it was something about mental 222 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: health issues? 223 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Oh? 224 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: Yes, we were basically told he wasn't ready even to 225 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: be in a courtroom. So it was postponed till today 226 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: January seventh, and now this new delay until February twenty third, 227 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: so we will not hear him arraigned, hear his plea, 228 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: We won't get any of that now for another what 229 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: almost six weeks, and. 230 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: He sits he is not getting bailed, so he will 231 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: have to stay in jail. That certainly makes sense in 232 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: a case like this. But yes, folks want to hop 233 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: on give this update. It's been a day of developments today, 234 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: unexpected ones, but we are eyes on it all. 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