WEBVTT - Giant Royalty 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.360 Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.560 Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:11.280 If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.800 was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.480 the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.360 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.760 pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.640 break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:36.200 Maller starts right now. Yes, it is in the air everywhere, 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.120 the Fifth Hour, each and every week. And about this time, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.800 well it really when you download the podcast, not about 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.120 this time, because you can listen to the podcast any point. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.279 This is the Friday podcast because four hours a night 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.200 or not enough. This is a spinoff of the overnight show, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.360 The Ben Maller Show. But you already knew that we 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.520 do this eight days a week, but this being Friday, 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.800 we try to bring somebody in, uh that we we 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.200 like or somebody that we know, and and this is 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.200 an interview podist. We're joined again by David guestcon this 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.280 week he's back. He's decided to show up this week. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:15.360 It was um yeah, and I'm I'm excited. I think 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.000 they're gonna get a lot of downloads. I think this 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.200 is gonna be a popular podcast and it will have 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.560 nothing to do with us. It will have nothing to 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.839 do with us. Not a single man, woman, or child 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.360 that finds this podcast is gonna want to hear a 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.480 word that we have to say. But that's my prediction. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.399 But we get to reminisce a little bit about the 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.560 year two thousand seven, and we're thousands seven, Where you were, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.560 where I was, and what was going on? Because I'll 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:47.080 tell you this much, Las Vegas sports books clean fucking up. Yeah, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.160 it is one of the defining moments as a sports 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.680 fan in in my life. I did not expect this outcome. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.720 I was very upset with this outcome. Yeah, well yeah 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.760 I was. And when we're talking about the Super Bowl 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.720 forty two, and if you remember, that was the Giants 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.640 playing the unbeaten, big mighty New England Patriots, that great 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.160 Patriot team that had run the table and they played 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.120 the Giants in Super Bowl forty two. And the person 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.240 we are going to have on here is gonna join 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.520 us in a second, is the player that caught the 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.720 game winning touchdown and Super Bowl forty two with less 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:30.000 than a minute to go. Plaxico Birst, who's now our teammate. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.880 Guest guys, this is our teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.920 Plaxico host the show on the weekends with LaVar Arrington, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.520 t J. Houshman Zada. It's called up on game. I 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.440 believe it's what it's called, right and for the Saturday's 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:50.000 on Saturday's right has one to three eastern. Yeah. And 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.400 for the record, he was wide the fuck open in 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.160 the end zone. I still gotta catch him. I still 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.640 gotta catch him. But it was It was wild because 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.040 working with Plexico a couple of weeks ago, he actually 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.920 said this live on the show where he was watching 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.560 tape the week prior to the Super Bowl and just 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.480 prepping on the coverages and what the alignments were gonna be, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.320 and he knew in that given sequence that he would 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.640 be open in the corner of the end zone because 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.520 the corner he was going up against typically sat on 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.720 the goal line, so he knew if Manning made a 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.000 perfect throw to him, he'd be why the funk open? 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.960 And he was, I mean, there's plenty of room. It 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.480 wasn't like a Santonio Holmes catch against Arizona. But man, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.560 hell of a play. Yeah, it was in insane and 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.920 I just did not I thought, there's no the Pictures 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.680 might play a close game, but they're not gonna lose. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.640 I mean, they're not gonna lose the Giants. And sure enough, 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.280 Blaxico's team got it done. And so congratulations to them. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.320 All these years later, and he's now he's a talk 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.920 show host at Fox Sports Radio, so he's he's in 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.240 our little world here. And I got to ask him 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.960 at some point about because when I was a kid, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.160 you know, fat kid, you know, I tossed the up 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.040 all up and you imagine it's like in basketball, hit 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.840 the game winning shot, right game when you're shot in basketball, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.600 baseball game winning walk off home run like a Joe 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.320 Carter moment in the World Series and or Max Munsey. Uh. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.799 But or in football's it's either throwing the game winning 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.080 touchdown or often catching the game. For me, it was 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.320 like catching the game winning touchdown back in the end zone, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.360 you know, do a little toe tap and that whole thing. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.359 And Plaxico got to live that out. So I got 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.720 to ask him about that at some point. But why 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:33.760 don't we begin, Plaxico. Welcome in, Plaxico Burrs here joining 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.279 us our colleague at Fox Sports Radio. So why don't 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.719 we start with the fact that you are a sports 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.480 talk radio host. How is the sports talk radio life 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.800 treating you, Plaxico? Oh man, it's fun. Man. I enjoy it. Man, Um, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.520 you know, I'm just you know, I'm grateful for the 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.240 volume tej and reaching out to me and the wanted 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.799 to include me, and you know what those guys haven't 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.680 have going on, and you know, it's just you know, uh, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.560 I love it, man, just getting on the radio and 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.239 and and speaking the truth and and you know, just 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.920 just trying to remain relevant out here and give people, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.599 you know, the you know, the knowledge of what we 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.240 have experienced over time over our careers, which have well 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.360 obviously teaching myself and meet me playing thirteen years and 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.520 and being able to accomplish some special things. You know, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.840 it's just good to reach out to the audience and 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.640 just speak to him. Now, were you guys friends when 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.760 you you played obviously a long time in the NFL. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.400 Were you you guys, what kind of relationship did you 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.359 have with those guys when you were playing in the NFL. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.320 Oh Man uh meil of We were drafted together back 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.920 in two thousands. Obviously came a Penn State. I was 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:52.320 at Michigan State, and and in me him developed a 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.599 pretty special bond, even though that we didn't play together, 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.080 and you know, just recognizing the talents and read and 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.919 I as in, uh, you know, the work ethic of 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.320 you know, what we possessed, and we just kind of 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.800 just came together. And me being in Pittsburgh and competing 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.000 against t J. Obviously I didn't get a chance to 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:17.400 tackle him or get an interception, but just a respect 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.800 factor of him, you know, watching him, how he went 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.000 about his business, how he conducted hself owner off the field. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.080 You know, he was a tremendous competitor that I had 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.919 nothing but the most respect for him. Now, I have 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.400 to ask you, as a former professional athlete, Plexico, I'm 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.240 a lifetimes I'm a lifetime sports radio guy. So did 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.800 you did you listen to sports talk radio when you 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.560 were younger, when you were playing or is this all 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:49.320 the new world to you? Well, uh, I think you're 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:54.440 older than me. Correct, So there wasn't a lot of 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.640 sports talk radio growing up, especially when I was growing 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.960 up in Virginia Beach, Virginia, I think, one of the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.000 few states that doesn't even have a professional team. But 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:10.520 from a from a sports radio perspective, it's just, you know, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.800 you speaking from experience. I think that's the best teacher 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.120 for for myself. And obviously Lava has been in you know, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.240 TV and sports radio talking and along with t J. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.559 But you know, for me, it's just really just getting 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.840 out there speaking from personal experiences. Uh, you know what 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.360 I've learned and the people that I came to come 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:36.000 in contact with, my friendships, relationships, which I take, you know, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.120 very seriously, and it's just been a culmination of all 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.280 those things that's coming together for myself and the show 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.600 up on Game You can check it out on Saturdays 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:51.000 between one and three pm. And uh, it's a new 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.240 avenue for me. But at the same time, it's just 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.480 it's just me speaking from personal experience. Other than that album, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.520 I don't have a story to tell. I got you, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.760 I got you, you know, I just I Over the years, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.200 I've heard for some guys and when you were when 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.800 you were playing, you were in the the arena, as 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.160 they say, and you know, some guys would listen and 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.560 get you know, lathered up by the stupid stuff people 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.920 on sports radio would say or the hot takes, and 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.400 other guys just kind of kind of ignored it, you know. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.200 So it was it was. It was that kind of deal. Now, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:22.760 I want I want to get into some of the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.520 stories you got. You had a great career in college. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:26.960 You were at Michigan State for a couple of years, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.080 in the NFL and all that, But but at Michigan State, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.520 you played for Nick Saban at Michigan State, and at 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.760 that time, he was not you know, football royalty like 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.720 he has become, you know the years since then, he 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.680 was on his way to becoming that. What was What 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.280 was it like back in those days at Michigan State 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.760 with with sa was he was he the same way 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.640 he apparently is today? And what was that relationship like 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.280 from the coaching standpoint? Uh, you know, I've said on 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.520 countless of cages that he's one of the He's one 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.480 of the best brilliant football minds that I've ever came across, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.160 and uh, you know, I would never back down for that. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.160 But at the same time, you know, me and him 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.320 has to run in But I was going in college 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.680 and I didn't agree with some of the things that 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.840 that that that he Uh, you know, I was coming 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.439 from a different place. But I've always had a great 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.640 mind of respect for Nick and uh, you know, I've 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.720 always said, you know, he's never been a people person 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.640 to me, you know, coming from a different environment, and 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.400 you know he was he was one of those coaches 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.480 that always yellow yellow Aaron screaming. And I came from 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:41.400 a coach in Virginia, Virginia who my high school coach 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.800 just retired a few like a week ago. You know, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.040 he was more of a teacher. He was more pulling 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.880 to the side, put your arm around you in really 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.719 just you know, you know, tell you certain things that 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.839 you were doing wrong. Not much, not less, not more 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.679 of the screaming. But you know, going back to Nick Saban, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.160 I think when when I was in Michigan State that 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.040 he was laying his foundation. If you look at the 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.760 records that we have my first year ninety eight, we 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.280 went six and six, and then we came back in 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:18.040 ninety nine and we went nine and two, and you 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.080 look at the teams that we beat. We beat Oregon, Uh, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.160 we beat Ohio State, we beat Notre Dame, we beat 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.040 Penn State and we beat Florida all in one season 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.839 and those are all top ten programs. And we're talking 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:42.000 about back in nineteen so obviously, you know he ended 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.959 the end of the season, uh, not coaching us and 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.440 leaving to go to l s U and Bobby Williams 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.880 was our coach and the Citrus bowling when the sable 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.000 in two thousand. But I think he was laying his 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:01.600 foundation then, you know, back in ninety nine and at 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.480 one time we were I believe number four or five 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:10.839 in the country in and uh, you know, uh, and 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.000 his record just what he's accomplished has just uh you know, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.640 you know, it's been it's been phenomenal. Absolutely. So what 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.800 did he played with a lot of different coaches? You 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.679 I think you've kind of let the cat out of 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.079 the back. You like the coach who's not a Lohard 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.760 oh type, right, more of you If you were to 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.959 make the perfect coach plastical for a football team, what 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:37.079 would that what ingredients with that coach? Half? Um, you know, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:43.400 I came across so many great coaches and great minds 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:49.640 and and great teachures and coaches. Uh. I had a 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.880 great opportunity to play for Mike Tomlins for two years. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.040 I had a great opportunity to play for Bill Kaward 0:11:54.800 --> 0:12:00.600 for five years, great opportunity to play for US Cofflin 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.280 for four years, and my high school coach Nick Saban, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.559 and a couple of games under Bobby Williams. But just 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:13.440 those culmination of people I've all learned from. They've They've 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.760 all taught the game from a different perspective, which you 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:22.920 have nothing but the utmost respectful because why you were 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.000 trying to pursue your dreams or after raches or whatever. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.280 You learn something along the way from each one. And 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.000 I think that's the that's the thing that sticks out 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.880 to me most about them all, you know, Mike Tomlin 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:43.800 and Bill Cole and coach Couflan, Nick Saban. I learned 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.760 something from them all that I would take with me 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:53.520 throughout life beyond football. And I think it's pretty special 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.480 that I got the chance to learn a little. Guys. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.079 And I'm not gonna take Rex Ryan out of the 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:05.199 picture either, because he's a great, great coach, great personality. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.600 You know, he loves his guys, he's loyal to him, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.959 great defensive coach, and when you put all those guys 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.200 into a bag and say that you can you learn 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.880 from all of those great man and personalities. You know, 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.280 it's been none but a blessing for me. Black. So 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.880 what about your favorite teammate or guy that you played 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.040 with in the league during your tenure in the National 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.280 who's your favorite my favorite team? Man? I can't single 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:34.440 one guy out. Man, Come on, you know I played 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.599 with so many characters. Man, you know, wow, what do 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.520 I begin? Well, let me ask what was your relationship 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.240 with the guy like I don't know, like Steve Smith 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:47.079 or somebody like that. SMI yeah, oh, man, Smithie was 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.760 Smittie was one of the and I'm and I don't 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.160 vote these words around, you know, kindly, Smithie was one 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.040 of the greatest like ball actors that I haven't been around. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.160 You put the ball up in the air and he 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.000 will find him, will come down of his hands. But 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.880 you know, he was just you know, he was a 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.640 goofy guy from from usc where. I can say that 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.079 because he understands that. And he was a young cat 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.520 coming in, but he was so smart and he could 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.120 get out of a break like no other. And our 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.640 relationship in the locker room was just you know, it 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.200 was incredible. Obviously you know human your and you know 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:35.440 Earl Holmes and uh, you know straight hand and just 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.400 a plethora of guys that was just incredible to me 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.200 as people Antonio piss and when we went out and 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.000 we you know, we put the chanch drop on. It 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.760 was all about business. But you know some of these guys, man, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.600 that you get that you get to know on a 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.640 personal level off of the football, Richie Soy but who 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.600 was probably arguably the funniest teammate, I don't play with 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.680 the mind tired of life and uh, you know, this 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.200 is a lot of guys. Man. I can't say I 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.320 have a favorite, but you know those are some of 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.560 the guys on my list. Well, you played such a 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.720 long period of time in the NFL looking back now 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.760 on it, and I know it's it's kind of you know, hinds. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.600 If you were to give yourself advice from when you 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.320 got into the league with what you know now, what 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:29.680 would that be, Oh man, you know to the young 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:34.160 guys just coming in, just don't be afraid to say no. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.920 I think that's one of the things that as a 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.800 young man you try to, you know, make everybody happy 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.720 and put it and put us some on everybody's faces. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.800 But a lot of people in your corner that don't 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:54.840 have your uh you know, your best for you and uh, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.800 perfect your craft, work out, train, understand what you're doing, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:09.720 because you know, if you're not playing at at full speed, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.480 if you don't understand what's going on, then you then 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.200 your full potential as as the player as an athlete 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.920 won't be able to show. And you know, take care 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.760 your body. I was in I was in a ice 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.720 tub every day for twelve years, and I think that's 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.840 one of the main reasons why I was so lucky 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.160 to play so long. Take care of your body, To 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.080 take care of yourself, don't be afraid to say no, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:40.760 perfect your craft, whatever that may be, and and uh 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.960 you know, just take care yourself. Yeah, I want to 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.440 ask you about that plaques when you say say the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.800 word no, did you have a sense coming out of 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.680 college or even when you got after your rookie deal, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.320 your first big paid day, did you get the sense 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.600 that there'd be some quote unquote new friends and new 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.600 people hanging on your little you know, sense of it 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.640 because it's right there in front of you, and and 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:05.920 you as the person has to be the one to 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.000 different deventiate between you know, the people who really cared 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.000 about them that people have really don't And you know, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.480 I kind of I fell into that situation a little 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.240 bit coming out of the draft, and and uh and 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.200 and different people. But you know, I think today that 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.119 a lot of these guys are a lot smarter, and 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.680 a lot of these guys are doing great things in 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.399 the community and you know, building their brands and different 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.399 things of that nature. But uh, yeah, I think a 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.400 lot of these guys today are doing a great job 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:44.959 with themselves. And and Brandon twenty years ago, I got 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:52.120 drafted in uh two thousands, myself and Tom Brady were 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.800 the last two guys playing for my draft. There was 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.800 just me and him, and two thousand and thirteen there 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.640 was nobody left but me and him, so I called 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:05.480 him ball. But uh so it's just me and him, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.399 and I was lucky to fortunately pay that long. And 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.920 I think the uh, a lot of young stars in 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.119 this league right now who are going down the right 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.879 path and doing the right thing. And actually, when I 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.520 was a kid, most you know, kids, when they're growing up, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.280 they you got to live something out that pretty much 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.359 every kid imagined at one point or another, where you know, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.800 I was a fat kid, but I was like, I'm 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.359 gonna catch the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.879 and it's gonna be the crowd's gonna go wild. You 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.080 did that, though, You did that, and it was when 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.560 you were a kid. Did you did you imagine kind 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.960 of play that on your head? And and if you did, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.520 did it live up to what you thought it was 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.320 gonna be when you were growing up? I mean, you 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.000 can't even write the story because I think every kid 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.360 that is nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old, like myself, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.679 walking down the street with a football, talking it up 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.120 in the edge, just counting down the clock, saying three 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.840 to one. You know, you win the game and you 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.119 just take off running with the ball in your hands. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:13.760 And and you know how many kids can actually say that, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.360 you know, they were fortunate as myself to live out 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.800 that kind of dream. And it's still surreal to me 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.040 every day. And you know, for me to be walking 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.439 down the street talking that ball up in and applies 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.040 the park manship Peak and gardens and Twinket Nail and 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.880 all these neighborhoods that I lived in. But I a'll 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.440 be fortunate, love, you know, to live out a dream 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.480 and and to me, you know, all dreams can come 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.359 true as long as you just you know, you stay 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.040 focused and you really believe it and and go out 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.800 and chasing what it is you want to do. And 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.720 you know, obviously you know, I'm in the New Jersey area, 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.359 and you know New York Giant football is, uh, it 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.320 is very prevalent in this area, so to speak. And 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.960 I don't think that there's one day that I go 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.000 by where you know, I have a kid who was 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.080 you know, twenty one or twenty two or three that 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.200 were in ten eleven years old at that time saying 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.160 that you know, it was the greatest moment of life, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.240 and you know that it's one of the things that 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.440 you know, is just a part of me. And uh, 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.800 you know, it's it's just a dream come true for 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.960 any kid. Now. When you were doing it, though, plaxically, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.840 did did you know you see in the movies you 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.840 hear stories like kind of things slowed down? Did they 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.560 slow down? There was there was like thirty something seconds 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.520 left in the game when you caught the game winning touchdown, 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.800 Like what do you remember was it? Did it seem 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.040 at the time you were doing it, did you realize 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.840 in the moment what you were doing, or was it 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.520 like later on where it kind of all hits you. Absolutely, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.879 you know it's on the line. The ship is on 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:55.440 the line, so you know what, you know that whole 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.280 drive we want to too many drive. And I could 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.520 promise you that every body on on that on that 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.040 office side of that ball, all other and others, we 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.560 were so dug tired, but it never mattered. You never 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:13.800 felt it because the adrenaline outweighed the fatigue. It was like, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.040 you can't let your guys down right now, this is 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.720 the this is the biggest moment in life at this time. 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:26.040 And I don't even think I even breathe during the 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.360 whole thing that's going on. But obviously you know what's 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.359 going on because you're trying to win the World Championship. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.440 All the fatigue goes out of the window and you're 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:40.080 just trying to have success, you know, down in and 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.560 down out to get to win the World Championship, and 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.359 and and you know, when the player is called, I 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.840 think everybody is just so focused and just locked in. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.000 You're not even thinking about anything that's going on on 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.880 the outside. You know, you just want to win the game. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.280 Blacks was there. I mean, the conversations after that beating 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:03.119 New England, was that like around the league amongst the players, 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.760 because obviously social media, sports, talk, radio, and television we're 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.640 all completely different animals. But you know what I really 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.080 did know because you know, obviously there wasn't a lot 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.000 of social media. I believe the Twitter had just came up. 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.600 We were on my Space, then we were on my Space. 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.200 There was no Twitter, there was no Instagram, there was 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.480 no social media like uh, you know camophones that just 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.840 became popular. Yeah, this is back in two thousand and seven. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.399 But the talk of the league was just, you know, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:44.000 we hadn't just went out and did something that nobody 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.120 in the world but they need to do. They didn't 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.960 expected against bad as Green Bay, so let alone go 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.840 in and beat the the the eighteen and old Patriots 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.160 who had the best offensive NFL histories of that year. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.639 Moss and and Brady and all of those guys are 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:07.040 what they accomplished. But I think after Week sixteen, after 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.600