1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now. Yes, it is in the air everywhere, 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: the Fifth Hour, each and every week. And about this time, 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: well it really when you download the podcast, not about 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: this time, because you can listen to the podcast any point. 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: This is the Friday podcast because four hours a night 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: or not enough. This is a spinoff of the overnight show, 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: The Ben Maller Show. But you already knew that we 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: do this eight days a week, but this being Friday, 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: we try to bring somebody in, uh that we we 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: like or somebody that we know, and and this is 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: an interview podist. We're joined again by David guestcon this 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: week he's back. He's decided to show up this week. 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: It was um yeah, and I'm I'm excited. I think 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna get a lot of downloads. I think this 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: is gonna be a popular podcast and it will have 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: nothing to do with us. It will have nothing to 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: do with us. Not a single man, woman, or child 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: that finds this podcast is gonna want to hear a 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: word that we have to say. But that's my prediction. 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: But we get to reminisce a little bit about the 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: year two thousand seven, and we're thousands seven, Where you were, 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: where I was, and what was going on? Because I'll 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: tell you this much, Las Vegas sports books clean fucking up. Yeah, 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: it is one of the defining moments as a sports 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: fan in in my life. I did not expect this outcome. 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I was very upset with this outcome. Yeah, well yeah 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: I was. And when we're talking about the Super Bowl 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: forty two, and if you remember, that was the Giants 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: playing the unbeaten, big mighty New England Patriots, that great 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: Patriot team that had run the table and they played 39 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: the Giants in Super Bowl forty two. And the person 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: we are going to have on here is gonna join 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: us in a second, is the player that caught the 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: game winning touchdown and Super Bowl forty two with less 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: than a minute to go. Plaxico Birst, who's now our teammate. 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Guest guys, this is our teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: Plaxico host the show on the weekends with LaVar Arrington, 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: t J. Houshman Zada. It's called up on game. I 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: believe it's what it's called, right and for the Saturday's 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday's right has one to three eastern. Yeah. And 49 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: for the record, he was wide the fuck open in 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: the end zone. I still gotta catch him. I still 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: gotta catch him. But it was It was wild because 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: working with Plexico a couple of weeks ago, he actually 53 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: said this live on the show where he was watching 54 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: tape the week prior to the Super Bowl and just 55 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: prepping on the coverages and what the alignments were gonna be, 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: and he knew in that given sequence that he would 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: be open in the corner of the end zone because 58 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: the corner he was going up against typically sat on 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the goal line, so he knew if Manning made a 60 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: perfect throw to him, he'd be why the funk open? 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: And he was, I mean, there's plenty of room. It 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: wasn't like a Santonio Holmes catch against Arizona. But man, 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: hell of a play. Yeah, it was in insane and 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: I just did not I thought, there's no the Pictures 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: might play a close game, but they're not gonna lose. 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna lose the Giants. And sure enough, 67 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Blaxico's team got it done. And so congratulations to them. 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: All these years later, and he's now he's a talk 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: show host at Fox Sports Radio, so he's he's in 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: our little world here. And I got to ask him 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: at some point about because when I was a kid, 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, fat kid, you know, I tossed the up 73 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: all up and you imagine it's like in basketball, hit 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: the game winning shot, right game when you're shot in basketball, 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: baseball game winning walk off home run like a Joe 76 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Carter moment in the World Series and or Max Munsey. Uh. 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: But or in football's it's either throwing the game winning 78 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: touchdown or often catching the game. For me, it was 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: like catching the game winning touchdown back in the end zone, 80 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, do a little toe tap and that whole thing. 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: And Plaxico got to live that out. So I got 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: to ask him about that at some point. But why 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: don't we begin, Plaxico. Welcome in, Plaxico Burrs here joining 84 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: us our colleague at Fox Sports Radio. So why don't 85 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: we start with the fact that you are a sports 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: talk radio host. How is the sports talk radio life 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: treating you, Plaxico? Oh man, it's fun. Man. I enjoy it. Man, Um, 88 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just you know, I'm grateful for the 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: volume tej and reaching out to me and the wanted 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: to include me, and you know what those guys haven't 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: have going on, and you know, it's just you know, uh, 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I love it, man, just getting on the radio and 93 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: and and speaking the truth and and you know, just 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: just trying to remain relevant out here and give people, 95 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the knowledge of what we 96 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: have experienced over time over our careers, which have well 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: obviously teaching myself and meet me playing thirteen years and 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: and being able to accomplish some special things. You know, 99 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: it's just good to reach out to the audience and 100 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: just speak to him. Now, were you guys friends when 101 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: you you played obviously a long time in the NFL. 102 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: Were you you guys, what kind of relationship did you 103 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: have with those guys when you were playing in the NFL. 104 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: Oh Man uh meil of We were drafted together back 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: in two thousands. Obviously came a Penn State. I was 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: at Michigan State, and and in me him developed a 107 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: pretty special bond, even though that we didn't play together, 108 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: and you know, just recognizing the talents and read and 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: I as in, uh, you know, the work ethic of 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, what we possessed, and we just kind of 111 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: just came together. And me being in Pittsburgh and competing 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: against t J. Obviously I didn't get a chance to 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: tackle him or get an interception, but just a respect 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: factor of him, you know, watching him, how he went 115 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: about his business, how he conducted hself owner off the field. 116 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: You know, he was a tremendous competitor that I had 117 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: nothing but the most respect for him. Now, I have 118 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: to ask you, as a former professional athlete, Plexico, I'm 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: a lifetimes I'm a lifetime sports radio guy. So did 120 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: you did you listen to sports talk radio when you 121 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: were younger, when you were playing or is this all 122 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: the new world to you? Well, uh, I think you're 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: older than me. Correct, So there wasn't a lot of 124 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: sports talk radio growing up, especially when I was growing 125 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: up in Virginia Beach, Virginia, I think, one of the 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: few states that doesn't even have a professional team. But 127 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: from a from a sports radio perspective, it's just, you know, 128 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: you speaking from experience. I think that's the best teacher 129 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: for for myself. And obviously Lava has been in you know, 130 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: TV and sports radio talking and along with t J. 131 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 1: But you know, for me, it's just really just getting 132 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: out there speaking from personal experiences. Uh, you know what 133 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: I've learned and the people that I came to come 134 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: in contact with, my friendships, relationships, which I take, you know, 135 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: very seriously, and it's just been a culmination of all 136 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: those things that's coming together for myself and the show 137 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: up on Game You can check it out on Saturdays 138 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: between one and three pm. And uh, it's a new 139 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: avenue for me. But at the same time, it's just 140 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: it's just me speaking from personal experience. Other than that album, 141 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't have a story to tell. I got you, 142 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: I got you, you know, I just I Over the years, 143 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: I've heard for some guys and when you were when 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: you were playing, you were in the the arena, as 145 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: they say, and you know, some guys would listen and 146 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: get you know, lathered up by the stupid stuff people 147 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: on sports radio would say or the hot takes, and 148 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: other guys just kind of kind of ignored it, you know. 149 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was that kind of deal. Now, 150 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: I want I want to get into some of the 151 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: stories you got. You had a great career in college. 152 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: You were at Michigan State for a couple of years, 153 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL and all that, But but at Michigan State, 154 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: you played for Nick Saban at Michigan State, and at 155 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: that time, he was not you know, football royalty like 156 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: he has become, you know the years since then, he 157 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: was on his way to becoming that. What was What 158 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: was it like back in those days at Michigan State 159 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: with with sa was he was he the same way 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: he apparently is today? And what was that relationship like 161 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: from the coaching standpoint? Uh, you know, I've said on 162 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: countless of cages that he's one of the He's one 163 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: of the best brilliant football minds that I've ever came across, 164 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I would never back down for that. 165 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, me and him 166 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: has to run in But I was going in college 167 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: and I didn't agree with some of the things that 168 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: that that that he Uh, you know, I was coming 169 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: from a different place. But I've always had a great 170 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: mind of respect for Nick and uh, you know, I've 171 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: always said, you know, he's never been a people person 172 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: to me, you know, coming from a different environment, and 173 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: you know he was he was one of those coaches 174 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: that always yellow yellow Aaron screaming. And I came from 175 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: a coach in Virginia, Virginia who my high school coach 176 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: just retired a few like a week ago. You know, 177 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: he was more of a teacher. He was more pulling 178 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: to the side, put your arm around you in really 179 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: just you know, you know, tell you certain things that 180 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: you were doing wrong. Not much, not less, not more 181 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: of the screaming. But you know, going back to Nick Saban, 182 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I think when when I was in Michigan State that 183 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: he was laying his foundation. If you look at the 184 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: records that we have my first year ninety eight, we 185 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: went six and six, and then we came back in 186 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: ninety nine and we went nine and two, and you 187 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: look at the teams that we beat. We beat Oregon, Uh, 188 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: we beat Ohio State, we beat Notre Dame, we beat 189 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Penn State and we beat Florida all in one season 190 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: and those are all top ten programs. And we're talking 191 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: about back in nineteen so obviously, you know he ended 192 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: the end of the season, uh, not coaching us and 193 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: leaving to go to l s U and Bobby Williams 194 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: was our coach and the Citrus bowling when the sable 195 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand. But I think he was laying his 196 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: foundation then, you know, back in ninety nine and at 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: one time we were I believe number four or five 198 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: in the country in and uh, you know, uh, and 199 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: his record just what he's accomplished has just uh you know, 200 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's been it's been phenomenal. Absolutely. So what 201 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: did he played with a lot of different coaches? You 202 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: I think you've kind of let the cat out of 203 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: the back. You like the coach who's not a Lohard 204 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: oh type, right, more of you If you were to 205 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: make the perfect coach plastical for a football team, what 206 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: would that what ingredients with that coach? Half? Um, you know, 207 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: I came across so many great coaches and great minds 208 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: and and great teachures and coaches. Uh. I had a 209 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: great opportunity to play for Mike Tomlins for two years. 210 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I had a great opportunity to play for Bill Kaward 211 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: for five years, great opportunity to play for US Cofflin 212 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: for four years, and my high school coach Nick Saban, 213 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: and a couple of games under Bobby Williams. But just 214 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: those culmination of people I've all learned from. They've They've 215 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: all taught the game from a different perspective, which you 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: have nothing but the utmost respectful because why you were 217 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: trying to pursue your dreams or after raches or whatever. 218 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: You learn something along the way from each one. And 219 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: I think that's the that's the thing that sticks out 220 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: to me most about them all, you know, Mike Tomlin 221 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: and Bill Cole and coach Couflan, Nick Saban. I learned 222 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: something from them all that I would take with me 223 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: throughout life beyond football. And I think it's pretty special 224 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: that I got the chance to learn a little. Guys. 225 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna take Rex Ryan out of the 226 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: picture either, because he's a great, great coach, great personality. 227 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, he loves his guys, he's loyal to him, 228 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: great defensive coach, and when you put all those guys 229 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: into a bag and say that you can you learn 230 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: from all of those great man and personalities. You know, 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: it's been none but a blessing for me. Black. So 232 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: what about your favorite teammate or guy that you played 233 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: with in the league during your tenure in the National 234 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: who's your favorite my favorite team? Man? I can't single 235 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: one guy out. Man, Come on, you know I played 236 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: with so many characters. Man, you know, wow, what do 237 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I begin? Well, let me ask what was your relationship 238 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: with the guy like I don't know, like Steve Smith 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: or somebody like that. SMI yeah, oh, man, Smithie was 240 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: Smittie was one of the and I'm and I don't 241 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: vote these words around, you know, kindly, Smithie was one 242 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: of the greatest like ball actors that I haven't been around. 243 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: You put the ball up in the air and he 244 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: will find him, will come down of his hands. But 245 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, he was just you know, he was a 246 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: goofy guy from from usc where. I can say that 247 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: because he understands that. And he was a young cat 248 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: coming in, but he was so smart and he could 249 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: get out of a break like no other. And our 250 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: relationship in the locker room was just you know, it 251 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: was incredible. Obviously you know human your and you know 252 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Earl Holmes and uh, you know straight hand and just 253 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: a plethora of guys that was just incredible to me 254 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: as people Antonio piss and when we went out and 255 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: we you know, we put the chanch drop on. It 256 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: was all about business. But you know some of these guys, man, 257 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: that you get that you get to know on a 258 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: personal level off of the football, Richie Soy but who 259 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: was probably arguably the funniest teammate, I don't play with 260 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: the mind tired of life and uh, you know, this 261 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of guys. Man. I can't say I 262 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: have a favorite, but you know those are some of 263 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: the guys on my list. Well, you played such a 264 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: long period of time in the NFL looking back now 265 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: on it, and I know it's it's kind of you know, hinds. 266 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: If you were to give yourself advice from when you 267 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: got into the league with what you know now, what 268 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: would that be, Oh man, you know to the young 269 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: guys just coming in, just don't be afraid to say no. 270 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that as a 271 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: young man you try to, you know, make everybody happy 272 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: and put it and put us some on everybody's faces. 273 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: But a lot of people in your corner that don't 274 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: have your uh you know, your best for you and uh, 275 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: perfect your craft, work out, train, understand what you're doing, 276 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: because you know, if you're not playing at at full speed, 277 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: if you don't understand what's going on, then you then 278 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: your full potential as as the player as an athlete 279 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: won't be able to show. And you know, take care 280 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: your body. I was in I was in a ice 281 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: tub every day for twelve years, and I think that's 282 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: one of the main reasons why I was so lucky 283 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to play so long. Take care of your body, To 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: take care of yourself, don't be afraid to say no, 285 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: perfect your craft, whatever that may be, and and uh 286 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, just take care yourself. Yeah, I want to 287 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: ask you about that plaques when you say say the 288 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: word no, did you have a sense coming out of 289 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: college or even when you got after your rookie deal, 290 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: your first big paid day, did you get the sense 291 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: that there'd be some quote unquote new friends and new 292 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: people hanging on your little you know, sense of it 293 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: because it's right there in front of you, and and 294 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: you as the person has to be the one to 295 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: different deventiate between you know, the people who really cared 296 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: about them that people have really don't And you know, 297 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: I kind of I fell into that situation a little 298 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: bit coming out of the draft, and and uh and 299 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: and different people. But you know, I think today that 300 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are a lot smarter, and 301 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are doing great things in 302 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: the community and you know, building their brands and different 303 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: things of that nature. But uh, yeah, I think a 304 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: lot of these guys today are doing a great job 305 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: with themselves. And and Brandon twenty years ago, I got 306 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: drafted in uh two thousands, myself and Tom Brady were 307 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: the last two guys playing for my draft. There was 308 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: just me and him, and two thousand and thirteen there 309 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: was nobody left but me and him, so I called 310 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: him ball. But uh so it's just me and him, 311 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: and I was lucky to fortunately pay that long. And 312 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: I think the uh, a lot of young stars in 313 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: this league right now who are going down the right 314 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: path and doing the right thing. And actually, when I 315 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: was a kid, most you know, kids, when they're growing up, 316 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: they you got to live something out that pretty much 317 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: every kid imagined at one point or another, where you know, 318 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: I was a fat kid, but I was like, I'm 319 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: gonna catch the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl 320 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be the crowd's gonna go wild. You 321 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: did that, though, You did that, and it was when 322 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: you were a kid. Did you did you imagine kind 323 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: of play that on your head? And and if you did, 324 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: did it live up to what you thought it was 325 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: gonna be when you were growing up? I mean, you 326 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: can't even write the story because I think every kid 327 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: that is nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old, like myself, 328 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: walking down the street with a football, talking it up 329 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: in the edge, just counting down the clock, saying three 330 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to one. You know, you win the game and you 331 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: just take off running with the ball in your hands. 332 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: And and you know how many kids can actually say that, 333 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, they were fortunate as myself to live out 334 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: that kind of dream. And it's still surreal to me 335 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: every day. And you know, for me to be walking 336 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: down the street talking that ball up in and applies 337 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: the park manship Peak and gardens and Twinket Nail and 338 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: all these neighborhoods that I lived in. But I a'll 339 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: be fortunate, love, you know, to live out a dream 340 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: and and to me, you know, all dreams can come 341 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: true as long as you just you know, you stay 342 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: focused and you really believe it and and go out 343 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: and chasing what it is you want to do. And 344 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, obviously you know, I'm in the New Jersey area, 345 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and you know New York Giant football is, uh, it 346 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: is very prevalent in this area, so to speak. And 347 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's one day that I go 348 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: by where you know, I have a kid who was 349 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, twenty one or twenty two or three that 350 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: were in ten eleven years old at that time saying 351 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: that you know, it was the greatest moment of life, 352 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: and you know that it's one of the things that 353 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, is just a part of me. And uh, 354 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just a dream come true for 355 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: any kid. Now. When you were doing it, though, plaxically, 356 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: did did you know you see in the movies you 357 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: hear stories like kind of things slowed down? Did they 358 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: slow down? There was there was like thirty something seconds 359 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: left in the game when you caught the game winning touchdown, 360 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: Like what do you remember was it? Did it seem 361 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: at the time you were doing it, did you realize 362 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: in the moment what you were doing, or was it 363 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: like later on where it kind of all hits you. Absolutely, 364 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: you know it's on the line. The ship is on 365 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: the line, so you know what, you know that whole 366 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: drive we want to too many drive. And I could 367 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: promise you that every body on on that on that 368 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: office side of that ball, all other and others, we 369 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: were so dug tired, but it never mattered. You never 370 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: felt it because the adrenaline outweighed the fatigue. It was like, 371 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: you can't let your guys down right now, this is 372 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: the this is the biggest moment in life at this time. 373 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: And I don't even think I even breathe during the 374 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: whole thing that's going on. But obviously you know what's 375 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: going on because you're trying to win the World Championship. 376 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: All the fatigue goes out of the window and you're 377 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: just trying to have success, you know, down in and 378 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: down out to get to win the World Championship, and 379 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: and and you know, when the player is called, I 380 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: think everybody is just so focused and just locked in. 381 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: You're not even thinking about anything that's going on on 382 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: the outside. You know, you just want to win the game. 383 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Blacks was there. I mean, the conversations after that beating 384 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: New England, was that like around the league amongst the players, 385 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: because obviously social media, sports, talk, radio, and television we're 386 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: all completely different animals. But you know what I really 387 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: did know because you know, obviously there wasn't a lot 388 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: of social media. I believe the Twitter had just came up. 389 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: We were on my Space, then we were on my Space. 390 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: There was no Twitter, there was no Instagram, there was 391 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: no social media like uh, you know camophones that just 392 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: became popular. Yeah, this is back in two thousand and seven. 393 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: But the talk of the league was just, you know, 394 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: we hadn't just went out and did something that nobody 395 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: in the world but they need to do. They didn't 396 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: expected against bad as Green Bay, so let alone go 397 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: in and beat the the the eighteen and old Patriots 398 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: who had the best offensive NFL histories of that year. 399 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Moss and and Brady and all of those guys are 400 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: what they accomplished. But I think after Week sixteen, after 401 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: they beat uspout three, I think the school with five 402 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: our model going to that game without to turn the 403 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: ball over, we'll win the game. You know. Rodney Harrison, 404 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: rand the Lama on a seven route and the ball 405 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: the field when they won by three. But I really 406 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: don't think they wanted to play us again because we 407 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: didn't care about none of the you know, we didn't 408 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: care about the spotlight. Uh And I think it showed 409 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: we were tougher than they were. They were the better 410 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: football team, and I would say that they were a 411 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: better football team skilled from a skilled position, wise from 412 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: a skill point, but they weren't physically tougher than us. 413 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, our team displayed that and we 414 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: got the Tom Brady and sacking them and doing all 415 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: these things that without even blitzing, And I think that 416 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: they carried the law football team. We didn't really care 417 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: who your name was on the back of your jersey, 418 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: and that was our motto and that was one of 419 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: the things that it still remains with us today because 420 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: we didn't care about uh, you know, individualism or you know, 421 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: who got the most touchdowns, who got the most sex. 422 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: We just wanted to win because we had that much 423 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: respect for they got next to us. Plexico. I was 424 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: doing sports radio in those days. I remember the lead 425 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: up to that Super Bowl, didn't you I don't know 426 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: if you guaranteed the win, but you had made a comment. 427 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: I remember we talked about it about how a few 428 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: points the Patriots were going to score in the lead up, 429 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and I remember, didn't Tom Brady get upset? It's like 430 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: that kind of a weird respect. I remember we talked 431 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: about that, like Tavy didn't get up set? You know, 432 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: he can't. He got on TV and made the comment 433 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: he said, you know, I wish Plexico would have give 434 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: us a little more respect. Uh. I wish he would 435 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: have said forty five to forty two. But going into 436 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: that week, we literally just get off the bus at 437 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: the hotel and we walked in the hotel. This guy 438 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: walks by me. I got my suitcase in my hands, 439 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: you know, dump a bag on my back, and he 440 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: said Plexic was going to be the score. I said, 441 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: a seventeen fourteen, We're going to win. And I just 442 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: keep on walking. But you know, unbeknownst to it, I 443 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and this guy is a 444 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: part of the national media and I have no idea 445 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: who the guy is. And you know, I go to sweep, 446 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: I wake up. My phone is off the hook, ringing crazy. 447 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: I turned to television and it's like, oh, he guarantees 448 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: the wind. It's on like on the front page of 449 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: the New York Post. I'm like, I didn't do this. 450 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: Who said this? Oh? I was like, oh my gosh. 451 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: The guy that walked by me in the hotel. I 452 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: said it, and I had to live up to it. 453 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, that's where the 454 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: score is gonna be at seventeen. The four team, We're 455 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: going to win the game. And then when Tuesday hit 456 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: straight straighthand got on the microphone and said, listen, I 457 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: love his attitude. Nobody wants to lose this game, and 458 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna try and do everything our power to keeping 459 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: the key points. And my guys backed me up, and 460 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: we went out there and we played like plaques. What 461 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: was better the New York media or the or the 462 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers media that that group in Pittsburgh. Well, hey, listen, 463 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: I love Pittsburgh, but uh, you know, well I left 464 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to go to New York. I thought the media 465 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: day in Pittsburgh was something else. And then I stepped 466 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: into New York. John Locking Room is thirty thirty forty 467 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: reporters on any given day Pittsburgh, that's seven eight I 468 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: mean let's be real, the seven eight reporters and and 469 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, I had a few running with reporters, you know, 470 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: not really printing the exact words that I was saying. 471 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: And so you know, uh, I stopped giving God's features 472 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: for that reason because they weren't printing what I was saying. 473 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: And I still know who they are to this day. 474 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: But I would say that the New York media, Um, 475 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: everybody has a job to do. And I understand that 476 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: now being on TV and being on radio on the 477 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: BN and be there. Everybody has a god job to do. 478 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, uh, it can 479 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: be brutal, you know, it can be it can be 480 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: cut through, you know, so to speak. And that's one 481 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: of the things that I've learned through it. And the 482 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: media is our only outlet to the people because we 483 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: can't speak to the people. So what you put out 484 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: and what they write is what people are gonna think. 485 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: And that's one of the biggest things that I've realized, 486 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, being in media right now, is that what 487 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: you put out to the media, that is what people 488 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: are going to perceive you as. It's unfortunate, but at 489 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: the same time, it can be the greatest asset. So 490 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: does that mean that you're more inclined, like just from 491 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: a professional like where are you at now in radio 492 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: and media television? Does that mean that you're more comfortable 493 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: being transparent about everything that's happened in your life we're 494 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: talking about from the NFL to your personal life to 495 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: where you're at now. Do you do you use that 496 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: all as as just tools for you know, getting knowledge 497 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: out to younger players and athletes and even students or 498 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: do you kinda do you kind of hold some of 499 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: those things back and and give them a little bit 500 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: of that. No, No, I don't hold back because I 501 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: don't speak on hearsay. I speak off of what I've 502 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: been told, what I've learned, earned personal experience, and the 503 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: knowledge and the whisthom that has been passed on down 504 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: to me from coaches, uh, you know, players, and put 505 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: in real life experiences into what I speak. And that's 506 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: the beautiful thing about me being on radio is that 507 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: I can speak from a personal perspective that is influential 508 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: to the young players and to people throughout there listening. 509 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Is that I don't little I don't just get him 510 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: make up stuff well I heard or someone so told me, 511 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: I can pick up the phone and talk to the 512 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: source and and and ask them how do you want 513 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: your story to be told? And that's one of the 514 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: things that a lot of people missed out on is 515 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: that when you and pick up the phone and talk 516 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: to these people first and forem host and be like, Okay, 517 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: how do you want me to get your messos across? 518 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: And my playoff or whoever made me. They don't have 519 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a problem with that because they get the methods across 520 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: just the way that you want them to. Ye. Plus 521 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: you your Giant royalty and all that because the touchdown 522 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: catching the Super Bowl, but you played with the Jets. Also, 523 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: what is the what is the difference you're you're you're 524 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: in Jersey. What is the difference from playing for the 525 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: Giants and playing for the Jets? You just said the 526 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: difference between the Giants and the Jet You just said. 527 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: You just said it. Man. Uh, you know, uh uh 528 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: shout out to Direct Ryan, who was one of my 529 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, one of my biggest supporters for me, you know, uh, 530 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, coming home and you know, trying to get 531 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: my feet back on the ground and resume my career. 532 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I'll always be father, grateful for Rex 533 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: and you know Woody Johnson and the whole organization over 534 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: there and from Park, New Jersey. But m just it's 535 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: it's a different feeling. It's a different aura of walking 536 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: in the building each morning, going to the Jets and 537 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: going to the Giants of just you know, uh supreme 538 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: and the order and for the walking into the Giants 539 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: is you know, we're gonna kick somebody this week, and 540 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the Jets is I hope we can win a ball game. 541 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: That's just the mindset of the player walking in, which 542 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. But that's just how I felt, you know, 543 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: walking into the building. Obviously I had the great opportunity 544 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: to play with the Damien Commins and was one of 545 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: the greatest from on it back all time. Santonio Holmes, Uh, 546 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, Super Bowl m v P. And you know 547 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: we came from organizations and you know, from from winning 548 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Giants and get to the Jets, and it's hard 549 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: to accept losing going to work every day and not 550 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: win a game. It's it's it's hard to accept, and 551 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: you know you kind of look at yourselfing and what 552 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: am I doing wrong? What can I do more to 553 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: help us to help us win. You with that, for 554 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: me all being said, I sent prayers the Brian shot Naimer, 555 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: who was my offerersive coordinator during that time, you know, obviously, 556 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: is father Marty Shotnamer just passed away a few days ago. 557 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: So I send my condolencens ou to Brian and his 558 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: family shot family. But yeah, with all that being said, 559 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: giants all day solo, take us through this real quick, 560 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: because you obviously had a unique circumstance in two thousand 561 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: with the shooting and you were out of the game 562 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: of football for a long period of time, like one 563 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: season is battened up but a couple. But how did 564 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: that how did that relationship with Rex evolved? Like how 565 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: was it established for you to get back in the 566 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: game And what were you thinking during that time off? 567 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: Were you couldn't get on the field And now I'm 568 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: sure you were wondering, Hey, am I ever going to 569 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: play professional ball again? You know, to be honest with you, up, 570 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: I had not met Rex Ryan and damn my life 571 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: before you know, meeting him when I when? When? When 572 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: I signed um, I was a long way to see 573 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forwarda Anas and was the coach and 574 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: he wanted me to come way out in San Francisco, 575 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: and obviously I was still living in New Jersey at 576 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: the time, and Rex gave me a call. And if 577 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: my memory seys me correct, the New York Deaths had 578 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: just went to the a f C Championship game twice 579 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: and they weren't able to get over the over the hurdle. 580 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't have to relocate. They have 581 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: a great defensive team and I can go back to 582 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey, living my same home and play football. And 583 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: you know, Rex was just great, and you know, he 584 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: brought me in in a situation I've never met him. 585 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: You know, he was, you know, the deepest coordinator in 586 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: balstomore when I was playing against him in Prisburg and 587 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: that was the only way that I really knew him. 588 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: And you know, he brought me in. You know, we 589 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily do as well as everybody wanted to do, 590 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: but you know, for Rex man just to you know, 591 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: just to you know, stick his neck out there from 592 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: me on the line. And and so you know what 593 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: I want this guy and he and he and he 594 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: helped me, you know, turn everything around. You know, I 595 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: feel it would be grateful for and the reality is 596 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: if you went to California, you still would have been 597 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: fucked on taxes anyway, whether it's California. I know, I'm like, yo, 598 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to California to the same place. I mean, 599 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: I might well just say a new Jersey. Yeah that's 600 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: a smart move. And yeah, even all these years later, 601 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: because it's it's still a smart movie. It hasn't changed. 602 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing. But you know what I 603 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: want to say this, So the first team that went 604 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: missall was a giant and I went to see the 605 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: sounds good four to Nina, and it just so happened 606 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: at both of those teams end up in the NFC 607 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Championship game. Look at that unbelievable. Hey, who is the 608 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: toughest defensive back that you went up against? Is the 609 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: one guy that you cannot get past? Or did you 610 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: mean it's gotta be somebody, right? Who would it be? 611 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: You know, I would say it's three guys that always 612 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: just you know, just kind of just pissed me off 613 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. Why you wouldn't even believe was a 614 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: Samari role. Samar role was just incredible. You know, his 615 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: feet was so quick and you know he was a 616 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: long He was a long, long guy, but he really 617 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: wasn't that strong. But he could run with you. And 618 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, uh, he had great ball skills and he's 619 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: like a little mosquito. You just couldn't, you know, really 620 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: get rid of him. And obviously going through New York 621 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: Jets and you know, seeing all this stuff Rievers Island, 622 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: Rievers Oland, and then going to practice and having to 623 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: compete get them every day and one on one, and 624 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, this dude right here at the 625 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: real deal. You know, he wasn't fast, he was you know, 626 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: he was sound. His technique was flawless, and he just 627 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't beat him at the line of scrimmings. And 628 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: he was patient and you and once you got the 629 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to play against him on a on a day 630 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: and day off basis, you understood you know how good 631 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: he was. Plaques. Thanks for the time and again Fox 632 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: Sports Readio, our colleague. We're we're teammates here, plaques. Saturday Man, 633 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: all right, we gotta go you LaVar Arrington. T J. 634 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: Houshman's out every Saturday on Fox Sports Radio. If you 635 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: haven't tried to show check it out. Thank you Plaxico. 636 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk to again. Thanks Man. Be sure to catch 637 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two 638 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: am Eastern eleven pm Pacific