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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I head

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Speaker 2: the way, welcome to the show. Talk back Tuesdays, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is October twenty first, and we have a stack

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Speaker 2: night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: I buried the lead. I'm here of course with.

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body Movin all that talk about podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and they are on and making the podcasts as well.

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Speaker 3: So Hi five, everybody, five. We made it.

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Speaker 2: We made it to Tuesday. I hope you guys had

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Speaker 3: I did, did you? Of course?

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Speaker 2: Listen, We've been all knee deep in the latest developments

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Speaker 2: in the Virginia Goufrey memoir, Nobody's Girl, and her post

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Speaker 3: It is getting a lot of press.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it last night, of course because Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 2: due to his association with Virginia, who is the main

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Speaker 3: She became the face of it.

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Speaker 2: You'll remember the infamous photograph of Prince Andrew and a

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Speaker 2: co conspirator stands beside them, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 4: Hey, true crime tonight. I hope you guys are having

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Speaker 4: a wonderful evening so far. I feel like there's been

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Speaker 4: to say that if there's anybody that is struggling, there

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Speaker 4: are resources available and you are never alone. And I

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Speaker 4: thank you guys for bringing attention to these subjects and

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Speaker 4: the way you so eloquently and respectfully approach each situation.

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Speaker 4: Love you guys, have a great night.

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Speaker 3: We love you too.

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Speaker 2: We were just kind of having a very similar conversation

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Speaker 3: It's tough stuff.

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Speaker 5: It is tough stuff, and you know, that would be

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Speaker 5: a good time to remind people that help is available.

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Speaker 5: You are not alone. You can call nine to eight

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Speaker 5: eight and somebody you will talk to you. That is

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Speaker 5: the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, and they speak English and

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Speaker 5: Spanish and they're open twenty four hours a day, seven

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Speaker 5: days a week, nine eight eight. Or you can start

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Speaker 5: a chat by texting nine eight eight and it's free

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Speaker 5: and confidential, and please don't be ashamed.

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Speaker 3: You are not alone. Give them a call. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 3: heavy stuff, right, it's heavy stuff.

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Speaker 6: And you know, sometimes our darkest days, and many of

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Speaker 6: us who have lived lives of any length, or sadly

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Speaker 3: But your darkest day can be one of many.

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Speaker 5: It's always darkest before the Dawn and that right, and

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Speaker 3: Into the best So okay, so true a call. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: My best friend Tara, this is tangential, but just as

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Speaker 2: She had sent something that basically says that, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not really taught how to rewire our brains after

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Speaker 6: And on the topic of Virginia Gufray. So, she, of

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Speaker 2: Enough enough information about the source of this money. Because

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Speaker 2: Although this memoir has some excerpts that we'll discuss tonight

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Speaker 2: that can't be true. That's just one handed account, totally fair.

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Speaker 5: And I can speak for myself. I don't care who's

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Speaker 7: And it's Indie again. I actually have one more thing

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Speaker 6: I particularly struggle with this one because there's very varying

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Speaker 6: Virginia's her portrayal or her perspective, was that the bus

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Speaker 6: So that is Virginia's perspective of the events. However, the police,

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Speaker 3: So that's a tough one for me to reconcile. Also,

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney and Body and we're discussing the latest

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Speaker 2: developments with Virginia Gufre's post death release. Of her memoir,

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Speaker 2: and some of the allegations in it are are pretty harrowing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: To your point, other people have suggested that that didn't

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Speaker 3: We've heard from sourcing that. Listen.

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Speaker 2: She was allegedly in an abusive relationship. She was at

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Speaker 2: she had three children, I think you know to date

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Speaker 3: But yeah, she did have this really odd incident.

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Speaker 2: So was it potentially a cover up for a beating

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Speaker 3: There was domestic abuse?

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Speaker 2: I think her now ex husband was was convicted of

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Speaker 6: Let me does a quadruple fact check that. But you're correct, Stephanie.

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Speaker 6: He pleaded guilty to domestic violence in twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 2: So one could you know again we are theorizing here.

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Speaker 2: One theory is that she was in a bus accident

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Speaker 2: her own words, and that all was accurate. Another scenario

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Speaker 2: as she was in twenty fifteen when this person pled guilty,

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Speaker 2: or there was a whole other storyline happening behind closed doors,

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Speaker 2: other and don't want people to feel ashamed, or you know,

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Speaker 2: she's been ridiculed after years and years and years of

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Speaker 2: sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein, he has been convicted of that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just right at the time of her death. No

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Speaker 5: Is that she's saying that she was savagely raped by

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Speaker 2: slightly immune to it. Right, you put yourself out there,

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Speaker 3: And that's really hard.

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Speaker 2: That's like it's textbook, but it's also how it happens.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, like listen, and that is the truth that

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Speaker 6: Andrew, you know that the elaborate eight girls in an orgy,

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Speaker 3: So it's all money and influence is the name of

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Speaker 2: Remember, at its core, this is not only a story

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Speaker 3: As where do you go? And what is the answer?

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Speaker 2: And again in the land of being productive, even where

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Speaker 3: What's the point that's true? There's no call to justice.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's really getting what they deserve based on information that

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Speaker 2: you know, just trying to sort through it and trying

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Speaker 3: Allegedly, allegedly allegedly, right, this is true.

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Speaker 5: From tonight on iHeartRadio, we're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm buddy, move in and.

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Speaker 5: I'm here with Courtney and Steph and we're right in

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Speaker 5: the middle of talk Back Tuesday. We're kind of talking

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Speaker 3: That we wanted to go through?

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Speaker 6: I did have another one, and this one, I mean

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Speaker 6: it's I keep using the word shocking, because that's what

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Speaker 3: But here we go.

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Speaker 6: Per the book, per Virginia gaphrase memoir, Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 6: and Virginia was shocked when both Epstein and Maxwell said

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Speaker 6: they wanted her have their baby. She considered the request brazen,

439
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Speaker 6: which I think is an understatement.

440
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Speaker 3: It's a well used word, but an understatement.

441
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Speaker 6: And not only was she unsure Virginia whether she even

442
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Speaker 6: could have a baby because of her previous hospitalization.

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Speaker 3: That we spoke about, I believe when she spoke up

444
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Speaker 3: in the hospital with that scar. Okay, okay, exactly. So

445
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: this happened after that, correct, So.

446
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Speaker 6: This was two thousand and two, after that, And she

447
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 6: wrote she had no idea how to tell them she

448
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 6: didn't want to do it, so she simply asked if

449
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 6: they would pay for her to become a professional messuse.

450
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Speaker 3: I don't know whether she was, you.

451
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Speaker 6: Know, she had no idea that she They had no

452
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Speaker 6: idea she was a prisoner plotting her escape.

453
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Speaker 5: I am kind of confused by this, Yeah, And like

454
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Speaker 5: they clearly don't see her as having autonomy over her

455
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Speaker 5: own body because she's basically a sex slave, right, but

456
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Speaker 5: they approach her about carrying a baby, Like why do

457
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Speaker 5: they care?

458
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Speaker 3: What she says? Oh, I'm very confused.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, meaning that they would just like do whatever

460
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Speaker 2: they want with her anyway.

461
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Speaker 3: Right, Like they're doing what they want with her anyway.

462
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Speaker 3: Scary thought too, I mean that means I don't know.

463
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Speaker 3: I just I just I guess. I just don't understand.

464
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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm maybe glad that I don't understand

465
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Speaker 5: the sex trafficking world. But to me, they she's basically

466
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Speaker 5: a prisoner of them, right, Why are they asking her

467
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Speaker 5: permission to carry a baby? They're already raping her, Like,

468
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I think that's a fair question.

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Speaker 6: I also to answer this, which is a very strange

470
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Speaker 6: conversation we're having.

471
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Speaker 2: It is if you're going to things that we didn't

472
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Speaker 2: think get left turns we didn't think we'd have, but

473
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's here we are.

474
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Speaker 3: So it's a real conversation.

475
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Speaker 6: If literally the request is will you have my baby?

476
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Speaker 6: You're going to want that person to agree to take

477
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Speaker 6: care of that baby while they're in uterow.

478
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Speaker 5: Sure so and give it up too, right, I guess right?

479
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Speaker 2: And hand it over right? And in some messy universe

480
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: is it possible? And again, just like go with me here,

481
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: and you're you're feeling overwhelmed. You've been working with or

482
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Speaker 2: under the abuse of Jeffrey Epstein and Geelay Maxwell since

483
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Speaker 2: you're seventeen years old. Now add many years of this.

484
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Speaker 2: You know this hustle that is just this loop of hideousness.

485
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Speaker 2: If what we're reading is accurate. In some ways, some

486
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Speaker 2: maybe she saw that as something loving to be said

487
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Speaker 2: to them, or that she was somehow being accepted, or

488
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Speaker 2: she was going to get you know, privileged to be

489
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Speaker 2: out of here. She was going to become a professional messuse.

490
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Speaker 2: I also think part of their stick was also promising

491
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Speaker 2: lots of big things as a payoff. You know, just

492
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Speaker 2: hang in there, nobody will ever know, and you'll get this,

493
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Speaker 2: And that's sort of that's kind of the playbook a

494
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Speaker 2: little bit. But yeah, it is a shocking allegation. I

495
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Speaker 2: don't I don't really know what to make of it.

496
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Speaker 3: Wow, No, not at all.

497
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Speaker 6: But for anyone who is within earshot and needs assistance

498
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Speaker 6: and is in a position where they feel like they

499
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Speaker 6: cannot get out, you can call the National Human Trafficking Hotline.

500
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Speaker 6: The number is eight eight eight three seven three seven

501
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 6: eight eight eight. It is available twenty four hours a day,

502
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: seven days a week, in more than two hundred languages.

503
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Speaker 6: All the calls are confidential. Again eight eight eight three

504
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Speaker 6: seven three seven eight eight eight. So we put that

505
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Speaker 6: out there, should it possibly be of any help to

506
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Speaker 6: anybody because help is out there.

507
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Speaker 2: Help is out there, and there are blessings around the corner,

508
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: So hang in. And you know, interesting, we thought that number,

509
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: we had heard this yesterday, that that that hotline number

510
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: is often placed on papers in bathrooms, in airport, in bars,

511
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Speaker 2: throughout the country, all over.

512
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Speaker 3: Interesting is that when I flew when I flew to.

513
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Speaker 5: Malaysia, I stopped in Qatar, and it was in all

514
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Speaker 5: the bathrooms in Qatar, And when I landed in Malaysia,

515
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Speaker 5: it was in all the bathrooms there too, and well

516
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Speaker 5: obviously in the in the States as well. I was

517
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Speaker 5: very happy to see that. I was very happy to

518
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Speaker 5: see that it's everywhere.

519
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Speaker 3: It's everywhere.

520
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Speaker 2: And I also think that's an example of it's everywhere.

521
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's every where.

522
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Speaker 2: I think those posters are just up because people really

523
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: want to put paper in bathrooms throughout the world. Honestly,

524
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: the fact that that's so prevalent, I also think speaks

525
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: to a very large operation. It is the financial This

526
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: is the win for so many financially. Sex trafficking is

527
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: a business internationally that is unmeasured in terms of the

528
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Speaker 2: financial gain, and that's why it's important that we know

529
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Speaker 2: about it. The fact that that's in bathrooms and airports

530
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Speaker 2: around the world because girls are being taken to places

531
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Speaker 2: that they can't get home from and they don't have

532
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Speaker 2: a cell phone and they don't know who to call.

533
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: You go to that bathroom and you ask to borrow

534
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Speaker 2: a phone, and you call that hotline, and that's can

535
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Speaker 2: you imagine, just like you know, for a perspective check right,

536
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Speaker 2: like all alone in.

537
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Speaker 3: The world, must you feel?

538
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Speaker 5: I promise so that any woman approaches me in the

539
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Speaker 5: bathroom asking me to borrow my phone, I'm going to

540
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Speaker 5: give it to you, right same, I promise, And I

541
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: think any woman would also say the same.

542
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: Latform in the ladies bathroom line, no matter where you are,

543
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: we're also your soldiers, thunder right, like we're like, honey,

544
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: you have the toilet paper on your shoeld I'm gonna

545
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: comb your hair, that dress, that skirt is an untalked correctly,

546
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: like you go out there and get them. So imagine

547
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: someone in crisis relying on that same group of female

548
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Speaker 2: soldiers and men.

549
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Speaker 3: By the way, but like the bathroom.

550
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: Line for ladies is a whole other things, you know,

551
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: you it is, it is sacred shared space, So hats

552
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Speaker 2: off for those who are working that hotline.

553
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 6: Wow, hat's office, right, and they are real experts and

554
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 6: know how to keep things really discreete and even I

555
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 6: was on their website yesterday and if if you go

556
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 6: to the website, there's a big button that says exit

557
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Speaker 6: quickly and it literally pops it off the screen. Should

558
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Speaker 6: someone should you need to not make it visual that

559
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Speaker 6: you were on the website.

560
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: So wow, I didn't know that.

561
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Speaker 2: And listen, we are turning the vibes around. I am

562
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Speaker 2: putting on my weighted vest as we speak. Ladies, we're

563
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: getting a lot of talkbacks for that. It's talk back Tuesday,

564
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: and we want to hear from you, So let's go

565
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: straight to one.

566
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Speaker 9: All right, Hi, ladies, is Alexi from Fort Worth, Texas.

567
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 9: I was just listening and it clicked that I have

568
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 9: never really seen y'all and I was just curious to all,

569
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Speaker 9: what ever consider doing a live recording of your show.

570
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 9: I was just listening to I'm getting caught up. I'm

571
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Speaker 9: a little behind, but I was listening to the segment

572
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Speaker 9: We're y'all talking about how you do your make under

573
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Speaker 9: throughout the show, and I kind of think we want

574
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Speaker 9: to be part of that like, you know, in the

575
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Speaker 9: evening we all get company, we listen to our true

576
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 9: crime tonight and yeah.

577
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Speaker 6: LEXI amazing And I tell you, and this is not

578
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Speaker 6: indicative of a normal may you know the make unders

579
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 6: that we do. However, several weeks ago, I was leaving

580
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Speaker 6: on a late night flight and it was at the

581
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Speaker 6: end of a Thursday show. I left the room in

582
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Speaker 6: such a rush that when I came back on Sunday,

583
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Speaker 6: I had literally I had socks on the floor. I

584
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 6: had a card again on the like, I had literally

585
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 6: thrown my stuff as we were wrapping the show.

586
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Speaker 3: It was just like, there is a real, real reason

587
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: that we haven't done any video. And that's the reason.

588
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: Why Courtney Armstrong it gets No, No, that's not the reason.

589
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: It's because we all sort of, you know, we peel

590
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: it all off. That's what's so fun about it.

591
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, we get to kind of wipe off the

592
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: well who wears eyeshadow anymore?

593
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: But kind of, I mean.

594
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: Whatever, you know, all the things that we do to

595
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: put our arm were on all day. By the end

596
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: of the show we are bare faced and you know,

597
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: exercise crow.

598
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: So where will there be a recording of it? Anytime soon.

599
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: Please give us over my dead.

600
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 8: All right.

601
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: So I'm like taking off my eyelash clusters, I'm doing

602
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: my medicue wand I'm you know, I'm wearing a red hat,

603
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: electric red hair hat. Before the show.

604
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: You're supposed to promote generous amounts of hair growth. Oh

605
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: so yeah, we'll see how that tracks. But yeah, you know,

606
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: it's a real vision. So I think we're all down

607
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: to let you see the raw. But you have to

608
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: be on the same program.

609
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 10: You have to be in it.

610
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Let's go to another talk back. What have

611
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: we got, ladies?

612
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 8: Did you hear I'm walking and listening to last night's show?

613
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Speaker 3: Of course you are.

614
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: So you're speaking about wondering why women are so into

615
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: true current empathy is definitely a reason.

616
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Speaker 8: And also because we're fixers.

617
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: We like to fix things.

618
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 8: We like to know that things are fixed. Yeah, it's

619
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 8: just in our DNA.

620
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true.

621
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Speaker 2: And by the way, maybe we're a little less likely

622
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Speaker 2: to try to fix things in our own like messy

623
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: worlds when we can like look at others and fix

624
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: it again in retrospect, we're like, oh, I oh, that's

625
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: the left turn. I shouldn't take I empathetically know that

626
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: for myself next time, you know.

627
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Speaker 3: We learn through each other stories. I totally agree.

628
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Speaker 6: Mm hmm, No, I think there's absolutely a lot of

629
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Speaker 6: a lot of truth to that.

630
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: I definitely agree.

631
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Speaker 5: And sometimes, like I feel like I get too into it,

632
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: you know, like it's really important to take a step

633
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 5: back and go, Okay, I need to not be so empathetic.

634
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: I need to take a step back. I don't want to,

635
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: you know, take on all these emotions. You have to

636
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: protect yourself a little bit, right, I mean, I think

637
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 5: as women, I think you're right, we do want to

638
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 5: be fixers. And I think sometimes when you're in the genre,

639
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 5: you can take on a lot of that pain a

640
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: little bit just being an empathetic person. And it's really

641
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: important to remind yourself that you are not the story.

642
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: You know, You're not this is you know, you have.

643
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: To kind of take a step back, and so I

644
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 5: have to remind myself of that often.

645
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Speaker 10: I wonder is it different for men who like it,

646
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 10: like for me, like I enjoyed, because it's almost like

647
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 10: a puzzle in some cases that I'm trying to solve,

648
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Speaker 10: and I don't know if it's a whole different attitude

649
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 10: that men versus women. But for me, I look at

650
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 10: it from the angle of like, how can we fix that?

651
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 10: What is the not fix it? As much as like,

652
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 10: what's the solution to this problem? How did it get

653
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 10: to this? I think maybe that's why I like Brian's

654
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 10: case resonates, so I'm like, what why did he do this?

655
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Speaker 10: Like I want to understand it. I want to try

656
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Speaker 10: to wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 2: That's so weird, it goes so wrong, right, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: when you spot the boogeyman in your real world, I

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Speaker 2: totally agree, And I think we're everyone men and women

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Speaker 2: were all empathetic ging and I do think that's why

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Speaker 2: true crime we're all leaning in on it is not

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Speaker 2: for the crime, but for the truth a little bit

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Speaker 2: if we were splitting words.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, awesome, take that.

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Speaker 10: It's in a great top back, right that we tick

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Speaker 10: the best ones out of our arty.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's grab another one.

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Speaker 11: Hey again, this is Jeff from Connecticut. I can't believe

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Speaker 11: I'm calling in to discuss the Mark Sanchez case. He

670
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Speaker 11: was an amazing quarterback in the New York market and

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Speaker 11: when I heard he got stabbed, I was wondering Oh

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Speaker 11: my god, who did this? And are they going to

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Speaker 11: catch him? And now I hear that he's the one

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Speaker 11: who got arrested and he was the aggressor and has

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Speaker 11: alcohol problems. It's just really concerning and amazing, and I'm

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Speaker 11: going to follow this case.

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Speaker 8: I'd like to hear what you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Jeff.

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Speaker 6: I feel like we're buddies from the Nutmeg State since

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Speaker 6: I's been a hunk of my life in Connecticute. It

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Speaker 6: seems like he has gotten Mark Sanchez has gotten himself

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Speaker 6: into quite a bit of a mess. As you said,

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Speaker 6: he was a former NFL quarterback now Fox Sports analyst,

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Speaker 6: and he is set to stand trial. This is new

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Speaker 6: information on December eleventh of this year, so two months

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Speaker 6: and that's gonna happen in Marion County, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, you know, it's it's on video. It's it's

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Speaker 3: a tough it's a tough situation.

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Speaker 6: He's facing felony battery, three mister misdemeanor charges from an

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Speaker 6: altercation he ad with this almost seventy year old truck driver,

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Speaker 6: this poor man, Perry Toll. So, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: what do you guys think, how good or bad does

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Speaker 6: it look for Mark Sentiez.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's looking too good for Mark Sandras

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Speaker 3: looks really bad.

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Speaker 5: I think that I think that there's probably going to

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Speaker 5: be some sort of you know, leniency from you know,

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Speaker 5: the judge of some kind, you know, if he goes

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Speaker 5: into you know, rehabilitation or you know, something like that,

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Speaker 5: which obviously, you know, everybody wants him to be well, right,

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Speaker 5: you know, we don't want this man to suffer with

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Speaker 5: any kind of addiction. But it's looking that way right

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Speaker 5: right now. We don't know for sure, but it's looking

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Speaker 5: that way. But he still has a civil suit to face,

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Speaker 5: you know, and there's not going to be any leniency there.

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Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez had just stayed home that night, right right.

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Speaker 2: If this this was like one too many on a

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Speaker 2: Tuesday night, it might not have been Tuesday night, but

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Speaker 2: it was like a random It was random, yeah, if.

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Speaker 3: You just wasn't there.

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Speaker 6: And the escalation, I mean, because the incident, which is

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Speaker 6: on surveillance, Sanchez climbed. If what is on it was true,

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Speaker 6: Sanchez climbed into this guy's truck without permission, blocked off

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Speaker 6: his cell phone and shoved him. And then in response,

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Speaker 6: then it escalated and this man in self defense Pepper

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Speaker 6: sprayed him and stabbed Sanchez. I mean, how quick, like

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Speaker 6: you said, had you just stayed home?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 2: See the way, if he's struggling with whether it's drug

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Speaker 2: abuse or alcohol abuse, I don't know that, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe this is the beginning for him and

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Speaker 2: not the end, right, and that's the.

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Speaker 10: Whole right, you know how During our show sometimes we'll

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Speaker 10: ask our audience, do you guys have an answer to

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Speaker 10: something somebody wrote to us regarding this case, and they

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Speaker 10: have an answer to a question we asked. So it's

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Speaker 10: a DM but it's a little longer, so bear with me. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 10: definitely from void. Last night you were talking Mark Sanchez

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Speaker 10: about possibly being drugged and if the hospital would test

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Speaker 10: for it. Well, I'm a medical laboratory scientist, the professional

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Speaker 10: performing the testing you're wondering about. In my twenty seven

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Speaker 10: years of experience at hospitals, we have a standard panel

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Speaker 10: that automatically gets ordered upon arrival. Generally it's a rainbow

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Speaker 10: of tubes that are drawn. No, a doctor won't wait

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Speaker 10: hours to do the alcohol testing. It's important that doctors

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Speaker 10: have all the pertinent information to treat the patient asap,

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Speaker 10: and testing can be added on after as long as

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Speaker 10: we have a sample to add to it. So in

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Speaker 10: some cases, the medical examiner may even request we turn

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Speaker 10: over any samples were drawn for them to use. I

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Speaker 10: work at a Level one trauma center in Detroit. My

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Speaker 10: specialties in blood banking, which is providing safe blood products

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Speaker 10: for transfusion. So it's not as simple as give me

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Speaker 10: a unit of your own negative. So there's one of

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Speaker 10: our questions.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that, Stefanie. What a hard

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Speaker 3: job that is? What a great talk back or am

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Speaker 3: I should say? But drawn serious? I loved that all day.

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Speaker 10: Many yeh, I love our audience. Listen. I was born

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Speaker 10: there and I.

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Speaker 3: Grew up there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you already know from I grew up in Detroit

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Speaker 5: and moved to California when I was ten.

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Speaker 3: I was born, I was born in Detroit. Yeah. Fun O.

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Speaker 3: The sas of Detroit Eminem as well. Are you absolutely

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Speaker 3: a big Eminem fan? Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: He has a he has a little spaghetti stand called

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Speaker 5: Mom Spaghetti.

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Speaker 3: Yep. But it's a walk up window. It's very it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like a drive through. It's walk up. Sounds

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Speaker 3: so delicious right now. It's not very good.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's food isn't very good.

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Speaker 5: No, what I ordered, I don't It's just spaghetti like

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Speaker 5: garlic bread. Oh right now, I don't want Eminem to

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Speaker 5: come after me.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, we love Eminem. Who does love Eminem? I

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Speaker 3: know who doesn't?

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, way in, what do you think of Eminem?

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Speaker 6: This is true crime tonight, give us a call. We're

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Speaker 6: at eighty eight three one Crime. It's Talkback Tuesday. I'm Courtney.

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Speaker 6: I'm here with Buddy Movin and Stephanie Leidecker and we're

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Speaker 6: honestly talking about whatever you are putting in front of us.

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Speaker 6: It had been Mark Sanchez, and now we have another

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Speaker 6: talkback to go to.

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Speaker 12: Hi, guys, this is producer Ava And regarding Mark Sanchez,

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Speaker 12: I think you guys are being way too generous with him,

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Speaker 12: suggesting that maybe he was acting violent because he was drugged.

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Speaker 12: And the reason I think that is because after the

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Speaker 12: news became public, his ex and the mother of his

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Speaker 12: child posted quote sadly. None of this is surprising to me.

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Speaker 12: I have always been concerned for my son's safety and

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Speaker 12: what he is exposed to, So I think that this

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Speaker 12: is the real hymn.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, That's why I said, you know, I think that

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Speaker 5: we're going to learn that, you know, this is what

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Speaker 5: the problem was, and he's going to go and get treatment,

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Speaker 5: and the judge is going to show him some leniency

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Speaker 5: and the cycle continues, or maybe it stops.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't stop though, is the damages that this man

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Speaker 2: who is the victim has irreversible facial damage apparently deformed,

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Speaker 2: has a deformed face did you see.

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Speaker 3: As a result of this, and looks like he was

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Speaker 3: in traction?

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Speaker 2: He wasn't, but I'm not a trauma nurse, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the photographs of him in the hospital were astounding, horrifying.

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Speaker 5: Horrifying because Mark Sanchez took the knife from him and

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Speaker 5: started attacking it. Like there's some confusion with that, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: the guy is defending himself in this called truck and

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Speaker 5: gets a knife out and Mark Sanchez basically grabs it

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Speaker 5: from him and starts using it on him.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Mark Sanchez is an NFL former NFL star.

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Speaker 2: He's like one hundred thousand feet tall too. He's a

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Speaker 2: big hand. If you see him doing the sprints in

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Speaker 2: the back alley, he's in like epic shape. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's scattered out of his mind? Is that drunk? Is

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Speaker 2: he drunk?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 2: Why was he doing that? That was just this is

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Speaker 2: a crazy night. He's going to have to work through this.

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Speaker 5: But we want when I get drunk, I want to

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Speaker 5: go to sleep. I'm not doing sprints.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to dance on a table with me?

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Speaker 3: Come on? What kind of that is that? Very you

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Speaker 3: are smipy right now?

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Speaker 10: There is?

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Speaker 3: Come on, I go dance till sunrise.

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Speaker 5: I don't really drink, so like when I have a drink,

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Speaker 5: it's nack. I'm like, oh, it's nacking because I'm like, huh,

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Speaker 5: I'm not doing sprints, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't think.

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Speaker 10: There's no running around. It's a more.

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Speaker 2: Relaxed there's no layer of shade on your head. Come on, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I'm I don't do any We got come on

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Speaker 2: on the table off right?

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Speaker 3: Any table any day?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Close the joint down, Yes, and I'll be right there too. Body,

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Speaker 2: we will coerce you.

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she's sneezing right now. Sneeze. I hated herself in

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Speaker 3: a row. Oh my goodness, Todd, do we have time

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Speaker 3: for one more? Talk? Back on this Tuesday, we.

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Speaker 10: Do Let's go for it.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 13: My name is Jordan. I am a listener from Arizona,

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Speaker 13: and I just wanted to call in and tell you

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Speaker 13: guys that your show is something I listened to every day.

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Speaker 13: It works, and it's the only kind of news that

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Speaker 13: I can have in my life because you guys put

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Speaker 13: this beautiful filter of humanity on it and that's the

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Speaker 13: only way I can consume news. I also wanted to say,

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Speaker 13: just Courtney's laugh I could listen to on repeat. It

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Speaker 13: is just I love you all to death, but there's

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Speaker 13: something about Courtney's laugh I just had to point out

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Speaker 13: makes my day. Also, she said something some quote that

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Speaker 13: was like do good or be good at it or

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Speaker 13: something like that, and I can't remember exactly how it was,

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Speaker 13: but I just absolutely loved it, and I've never heard

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Speaker 13: it before. So if she could say that one more

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Speaker 13: time so I don't bumble it, I would love it.

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Speaker 13: Thank you guys for being wonderful. I can't wait to

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Speaker 13: have the next shelf.

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Speaker 2: Ah so funny, Qritney, you have your greatest laugh ever

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Speaker 2: love her life.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you guys, I'm blushing so hard.

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Speaker 6: That was the kindest thing really is, and it's be

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Speaker 6: good or be good at it, and those are words.

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Speaker 3: For a life. That's just one of my favorite favorite sayings.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, first time I heard it, I was on a flight,

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Speaker 6: a Southwest flight from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, which, yeah.

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Speaker 10: What's the flight. The pilot didn't say that.

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Speaker 6: Yes he did, we landed a that we landed and

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Speaker 6: Vegas be good or be good at it?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, sir, that that is my mancher

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Speaker 3: for life. Now I love it. But yeah, like I

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Speaker 3: don't like to our talkback.

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Speaker 5: I can't even I can't even listen to the news

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Speaker 5: anymore because it's like, you know, so I get it.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 5: Listening to people who are like not robotic and whatnot

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Speaker 5: in telling things is probably how I would digest the

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Speaker 5: news now. But yeah, but thank you for the talkback.

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Speaker 2: We were really really nice. Yeah, it was really good

875
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: to the news all day. So that's probably why I'm

876
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: always off the rail.

877
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Speaker 3: Listen.

878
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: We are so glad that you've been listening. If you've

879
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: missed any of the show, catch it as a podcast

880
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Speaker 2: and we will.

881
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: Be right back talk back Tuesday.

882
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Speaker 2: You're listening to True Crime tonight, stay with us Welcome

883
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: back to True Crime tonight an iHeart Radio. We've been

884
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

885
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and Body.

886
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 3: Move in and listen.

887
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the first hour, you can

888
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: always catch us after the show as a podcast. Please

889
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: do and leave us a talk back because listen, it's

890
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: talkback Tuesday.

891
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: Everyone.

892
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: It is my personal favorite night of the week. So,

893
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: like Body, I mean, we get very excited by it.

894
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: I'm totally sure I do. I like, it really is

895
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: so exciting. It's my favorite show because it's not we

896
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: just talk, you know, we don't. We don't have an agenda, right,

897
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: like of the plases that we're going to be talking about.

898
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: It's just us talking.

899
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: So this is like us pretty much unfiltered, Welcome to

900
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: the kitchen table, everybody, right exactly?

901
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 14: You know.

902
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: So I think that's like a cup of coffee or

903
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: a cocktail or a glass of water or do some

904
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: squats squad.

905
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 5: So we're doing this, we're doing a new thing where Okay,

906
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 5: so Eva emailed me, all right, and she's our she's

907
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 5: one of our producers here, and she emailed me and

908
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 5: she said, you can't tell Courtney and Stephanie what this is.

909
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: This is like a surprise, but you need to read this.

910
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 5: And so I'm going to read something that Courtney and

911
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: Stephanie don't know anything about, and then They're going to

912
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: turn This is a little surprise.

913
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: It's like a little it's like a little like.

914
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: The spot.

915
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, so here it is. This is a d M.

916
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 5: It's a DM and it's from Kate. Okay, and Kate

917
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: loves Kate. So I feel better already, you do?

918
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: Okay? Good?

919
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 14: I do?

920
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: I love a Kate. I love Kate, she.

921
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 5: Said, Kate, what is going on behind the scenes with

922
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 5: the fall of Ditty and the fall of Epstein having

923
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 5: similar timing?

924
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: Is there an.

925
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 5: Army of good people blowing whistles behind the scenes, or

926
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: maybe a power battle behind the scenes in the trafficking

927
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 5: world and they're taking each other's systems down?

928
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: Wait? What that is? That is hardly a fun little DM?

929
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: I say, what's fun? I thought you were going to

930
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: talk about face masks. I say it.

931
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 2: Don't get me started, by the way. The face mask aside,

932
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: but I do would want the face mask recommendations because

933
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: I am feeling dry in my hands and cuticles are

934
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: feeling it as the fall kicks in. Do I think

935
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 2: the system is busting down?

936
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: I do. I think that they're at a very high level.

937
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: The system is being reorganized or re I don't know

938
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: about reorganized.

939
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: I don't know enough to know that.

940
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: But I think what is happening in the dark is

941
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: coming out, and I think the light is going to

942
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: win good.

943
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: I hope you're right.

944
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It's like a heavy thought because it is interesting, but

945
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: it does feel like I know that sounded so esoteric

946
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: and vomers but you know what I mean, Like, I think, like, yeah,

947
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 2: enough is enough one It just takes one person.

948
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: It's like the ultimate.

949
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Whistleblower story, right, Like you have one person and it

950
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: ticks over and then it ticks over and listen, we've

951
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: made documentaries about trafficking.

952
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: It's important. It's bigger than we think.

953
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: It is closer than we think because it happens in

954
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: such silence, and it's it's brushed away with such high

955
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: profile people. So I do think the Epstein and Diddy

956
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: cases were maybe emblematic of what's kind of happening real

957
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: time all the time, and maybe it's allowed us to

958
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: sort of see things with you.

959
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: Know, a clearer vision.

960
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe, well, thank you for that, DMP. So I

961
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 5: think that one was probably for Stephanie was so yeah,

962
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: let's do that. Let's try to guess who.

963
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 10: Was for once them.

964
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, go ahead.

965
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: Courtney's a coortant answer because I know she has an

966
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: opinion on this as well.

967
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 6: Okay, so this is from as well producer Ava.

968
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: And I think written from behind the scenes, and I

969
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: think this is like the sausage is.

970
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: Being made live that grinder. Beth thinks.

971
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about the BK selfies, she says for me,

972
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 6: is that before the murders, all of him he's doing stuff, hiking, sports, game,

973
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 6: visiting places like pretty normal. Quote, I'm documenting myself doing

974
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 6: this thing. After the murders, all of them are just

975
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 6: like him around the house in the car, like he

976
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 6: was just looking at himself, wanting to see himself.

977
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: Hmmm, ladies thoughts. Yeah, and she's right, she's right.

978
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: You know, we had mentioned when we were analyzing those

979
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: selfies that it looked like he was maybe taking photos

980
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 5: for like a dating website or something. Initially, right, he

981
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 5: was hiking, he was doing the thumbs up, he was

982
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: out he was, you know, at restaurants. You know, it

983
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: looked to be he was living a normal life, and

984
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 5: then after the murder's're right, he's at home. Everything's at home,

985
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 5: everything is in the car, at home, at his mom's. So, yeah,

986
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 5: that's a really good observation. I'm going to guess that

987
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 5: moment was for me.

988
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: I thank you figured that that was a very well

989
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: put statement, though it was at CM, which was see himself?

990
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: Was it the time that after the murders that he

991
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: really wanted to quote see himself?

992
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Right?

993
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: Like you're taking photographs to see if maybe post do

994
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: horrible act, do I look different? Do I see myself?

995
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Because this is a guy that seems like he was

996
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: lost in the really worst way.

997
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 5: And in a lot of those two and you know,

998
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 5: it's something that I kind of still kind of obsess

999
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 5: about a little bit admittedly unfortunately. Is you know this

1000
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 5: hand placement that he had on his head after the

1001
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 5: murderers where he's kind of pulling his hair back. Maybe

1002
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: he is really looking at himself, you know, for the

1003
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 5: first time, maybe even you know, maybe maybe this did

1004
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: something to him and there's no turning back, or it

1005
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 5: thinks it or he thinks it did. Yeah, thank you

1006
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 5: for that.

1007
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: DM.

1008
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: That's a heavy one. I'm going to throw this one out.

1009
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm curious you will be able to guess who this

1010
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: is for.

1011
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: Again.

1012
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: This is from Hin into the scenes from our associate

1013
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: producer Ava Anta, who have secretly texted and emailed this

1014
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: to me. So was make sure you guys know and

1015
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: I was told specifically not to share this prior to

1016
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: the show. This is also from Kate. We have Kate twice.

1017
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: This seems questionable. Another Kate quote. Are you still working

1018
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: on any investigations or searches like you did for don't

1019
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: f with?

1020
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: Who could that be for? Who could it be for?

1021
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, Kate. This is a tough riddle. So, Boddy,

1022
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: are you you know it's interesting? That's an interesting question.

1023
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 3: I don't talk about that stuff.

1024
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 5: If I am working on something, you're not going to

1025
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 5: know about it until it's done. And the reason I

1026
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: don't talk about this stuff is because I really believe

1027
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 5: in ethical slew thing And if I talk about like

1028
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 5: anything that I'm looking into, then number one, the person

1029
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 5: is alerted. Number Two, I'm giving potential dangerous information about

1030
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: somebody to the public. You know, I kind of do

1031
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 5: everything internally and keep it very quiet. But yeah, you know,

1032
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 5: maybe at some point we could talk about some of

1033
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: the other cases that I did work on that have

1034
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 5: been adjudicated and whatnot that are you know, finished and whatnot.

1035
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 5: But as of right this moment, I can't.

1036
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: I don't want. I don't talk about it for a reason.

1037
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I hope that makes sense. Of course it does. Yeah,

1038
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 6: you do have it when it's finished. And those are

1039
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 6: all wonderful rationales to not. This is true Crime tonight.

1040
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: We'd love to hear what's your rationales for life, or

1041
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 6: for studying, or for any of the above.

1042
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: Give us a call.

1043
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 6: We're at eighty eight three one Crime and we have

1044
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 6: Crocker on the lines, who is just called in.

1045
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: No, Hi, Cracker, welcome to the show. What's your question?

1046
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 8: Hi?

1047
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 13: Hi, It's Jess Crocker from Newfoundland.

1048
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 15: Hy day, yay, and I have my best friend.

1049
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: Here double trouble.

1050
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 16: She actually in Newfoundland time. She's been forty now for

1051
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 16: thirty eight minutes, over the hill.

1052
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: Over the hill, all the hill, just getting started to

1053
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: baby Wow, Happy fortieth right, happy four.

1054
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: And we're never up this late.

1055
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 17: Call her past nine o'clock.

1056
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 16: She's like I'm in bed, like I'm not answering.

1057
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm the same.

1058
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 17: So we're up now. It's twelve thirty eight pm news Orlanti.

1059
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: Well, Happy birthday, Happy day.

1060
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 5: You know my forties were literally the best time in

1061
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 5: my life.

1062
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: So welcome to the best time of your life. To

1063
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 3: your best friend.

1064
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 5: What's her name, Melanie, Melanie, Happy fortieth birthday from all

1065
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 5: of us.

1066
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 16: At you don't say anything, she's too shy, Melanie.

1067
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: Right here you were in a safe room. You're doing

1068
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 2: fabulous forty. Please go and dance on a table in

1069
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: our honor.

1070
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: Please, Stephanie really wants somebody dance on the table. I

1071
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: beg you right before I take every we were.

1072
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 16: Talking, oh sorry, we were talking about the self care stuff.

1073
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 18: And we aren't actually having a few drinks in my

1074
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 18: hot tub and.

1075
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 16: Listen to true crime.

1076
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 3: We were actually watching some documentaries. And then I was like, oh,

1077
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: true Crime tonight is not live and she's never listened live,

1078
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: and I said, we got to call in.

1079
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 5: Absolutely, We're so glad you did. I want to be

1080
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: in a hot tub with a glass of wine. I know,

1081
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: what a great way to spend a birthday.

1082
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: And it's like the Chris fall here, like, come on,

1083
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: I'd love that.

1084
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 17: Yeah, and it's really crispy and really folly up here,

1085
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 17: did you guys hear?

1086
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: Can you do me a favor? Can you say sorry again?

1087
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 13: Sorry?

1088
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: I love it so cute.

1089
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, I love the accent where we should all be

1090
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: living in the heads, right in the hot tub with

1091
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: a class of wine, celebrating a birthday with your best friend.

1092
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, right.

1093
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Speaker 17: It's perfect and true crime.

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00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 5: And true crime. So care true crime and hot tubs.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for the called Jess. We really

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00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: and have your birthday to your friend Melanie. We have

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00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 5: another talk about.

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Speaker 18: Huh Hey, ladies, is a from Canada. I just listen

1100
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 18: to your Sunday episode and it was awesome and left

1101
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 18: me leaving with a nice, warm and fuzzy feeling to

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00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 18: start off my Monday morning because I look to you

1103
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 18: guys the next day. I just want to say, since

1104
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 18: I started listening to you guys, feel like you've helped

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 18: me in my life, Like even just adding the way

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 18: to best just helped me with my posture. And you

1107
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 18: guys give me so much joy and laugh listening to

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00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 18: and Stephanie, I think you should have hard launch getting

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00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 18: your dog. Anyways, can't wait to listen to you tomorrow morning.

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 5: Back as soon as you mentioned my goodness, you should

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 5: have seen Stephanie's face.

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00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: It just lit up. It lit up. Oh what stuff?

1113
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: You really should I really should consider it like it's

1114
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: time too, hap and I have said different before. For Stephanie.

1115
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: I have said it is not time. It was like, unwell,

1116
00:56:54,000 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: you know it's just heard. But it's a thing he

1117
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: went through. I would say a devastation.

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 10: Mm hmmm.

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00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: I feel like for that. I didn't, of course, not

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00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: that what That's what happens to a human. I was.

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up with a ton of pets and

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00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: all of that. So yeah, no Dodger up in heaven,

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Speaker 2: never d in the World series, right, the Dodgers Dodger.

1124
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: This is we got Dodger. That's why his name was Dodger.

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Speaker 2: And this is a sign from Dodger. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: he wants you to love another dog.

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00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: To hard launch the idea of another dog.

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Speaker 10: That and second holiday, I can't think of anything more

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 10: perfect than a little cute dog around the holiday by

1130
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 10: the Christmas tree.

1131
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: Can imagine pajamas.

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: I love Dodgers so much, and you know, he was

1133
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: always in my lap and I haven't been slept since

1134
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: because he's a sleep on my shoulder. But kind of

1135
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: he got out of the house and even though I

1136
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: had locked the door, there were those winds, and I

1137
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: think I'd blame myself. I don't know. I've so afraid

1138
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: that I don't know somewhere every time I get excited,

1139
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: I like think back and say, oh no.

1140
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to love again, right, It's hard to

1141
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: have that kind of pure love for, you know, a pet.

1142
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: Because when you think you have no more love to give, though,

1143
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: you get yourself a dog, a cat, oh my goodness,

1144
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: or a pet. And if any kind look at Rita.

1145
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we know you guys have dogs beyond and

1146
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: oh cat day. So there is so truth, so much

1147
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: truth to that be I had so much.

1148
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: I want a nice dog. I need someone to just

1149
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: going to be like.

1150
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 10: Low energy, cute.

1151
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, no puppy, you know, some couch potato chilling out.

1152
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to low.

1153
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 11: I wanted a low energy cat when I got Rita,

1154
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 11: and she's pretty high energy.

1155
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, this was the cat that

1156
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: was ordained to me, and I love this crazy cat.

1157
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: So we love your crazy cat too, but you do

1158
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: and listen. That is a great thought for whatever it's worth. Like,

1159
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: for some reason of my social media, dogs keep popping up,

1160
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 2: so I don't know, And that's our talk.

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: The Dodgers are in the World Series.

1162
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Speaker 2: It's a sign. Just had this arrest in the Palisades.

1163
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, right there's and dogs are pumping up

1164
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: on your on your algorithm.

1165
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: It's time. It is a sign from above.

1166
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: Well, you know, what kind of a puppy is the cutest, coziest,

1167
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: laziest little nugget that just wants to watch Bravo and

1168
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: talk about crime all day?

1169
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: What kind of pet does that cleander up? And I

1170
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: was gonna say, I'll sign that job. I will be

1171
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 3: that dog.

1172
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: Okay, a couple of bowls of food put right in

1173
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 6: front of my face, I don't care, like.

1174
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: No shame, I'll put it off. It's a very sweet thought.

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, well landed, you know hard launch herd And yeah,

1176
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: I felt that in my heart.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I love that we have time for one more.

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 10: I think for you we might have more. Let's see

1179
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 10: if we can squeeze one more real quick.

1180
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 8: Hey, this is Julie. To pamper myself and take care

1181
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 8: of my well being. I'll go to a sound bath,

1182
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 8: which if you've never been before, it uses singing bowls

1183
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 8: and other instruments to create an immersive century experience that

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 8: just help reduce stress, anxiety, and negative moods and creates

1185
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 8: kind of an inner piece. Then I go home and

1186
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 8: have a nice cup of hot tea and read a

1187
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 8: mystery book and I feel great all week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 19: Sounds familiar with I've heard of this well body coming

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 19: up at the top of the next segment, we will

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 19: let you know what a sound bath is.

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01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 6: This goes for you and everyone else. We have that

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01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 6: and more. It's talked about roulette. Sam and Adam are

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01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 6: going loose true Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: Courtney Body and Oh we have Taha, Sam and Adam

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: in the house for talkback Tuesdays, and we have a

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Speaker 2: caller on the line.

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Speaker 20: Hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan. I just wanted

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 20: to compliment Sheena Robinson. I have been listening since she

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 20: was first on your show. And I love that she's

1203
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 20: getting together with other people that have had the same

1204
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 20: experiences as her and helping others through it. But she's

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 20: so humble. It's insane, you guys. She is so humble.

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01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 20: And also she has gotten so much better at speaking

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 20: too when she comes on. I really enjoy when she's on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's something else, right, like the trauma that that

1209
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 5: poor woman has been through and to be able to

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 5: want to turn that around into actionable like legislation and

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 5: working with the senator like pain into power. Yeah, she's remarkable.

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01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 5: She really is remarkable. And you know, of course we

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01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 5: love her here, We absolutely love her.

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: Here force of but nature.

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01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 2: And by the way, I think she's so significant too,

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01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: and we couldn't agree with you more. And this particular

1217
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: time that she was here really stuck with us also

1218
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: in a way because you're we're on this this healing

1219
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: journey with her, right, So what is the whole saying?

1220
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 2: You know, hurt people, hurt people, but healing people heal people, right,

1221
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: So you know, even just her having the wherewithal and

1222
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: by the way, like nobody needs a mother's day like

1223
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: massage and self care, like she needs to be pampered

1224
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: for a hot minute in ways that can't be described.

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Speaker 3: But she won't do it. No, we're going to have

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what I mean, Like she is a

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 5: major Yeah, that is so true.

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01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: That actually because she's so in it and it's really

1230
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: you kind of you walk away really inspired, and.

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: There's a there's a story and I kind of want

1232
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 3: to tell it.

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Speaker 5: And and Courtney probably knows this because it's from our

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01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 5: favorite show, The West Wing. So really quick, it's very quick,

1235
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 5: but it's important. There's a man and he falls in

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 5: this hole. Okay, and he's down in this hole and

1237
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 5: he's like, oh my god, how am I going to

1238
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 5: get out of here? And a priest walks by and

1239
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 5: the guy goes, hey, priest, can you get me out

1240
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 5: of here?

1241
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: Father? Help me out?

1242
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 5: And the father writes a prayer and throws it in

1243
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 5: the hole and walks away, and the guy's like, how

1244
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 5: am I going to get out of here?

1245
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: Well? And then a doctor walks by, Hey, doctor, get

1246
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: me out of here. What am I going to do?

1247
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 5: Get me out of here? The doctor writes a prescription,

1248
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 5: throws it in the hole, and leaves. Finally, this guy's

1249
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: friend walks and the friend He's like, hey, pal, get

1250
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 5: me out of here.

1251
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm in this hole.

1252
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 5: And the friend goes, oh my gosh, and he jumps

1253
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 5: in the hole and the guy, our guy, he goes,

1254
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 5: what are.

1255
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: You doing now?

1256
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 5: We're both stuck down here, And the friend says, yeah,

1257
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 5: but I've been here before and I know the way out.

1258
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: Oh.

1259
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 5: And I feel that, and I feel that with Sheena.

1260
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't mean to make you cry, Steph.

1261
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Dogs are running in her head right of

1262
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: the old dogs, new dogs.

1263
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 10: That's a lot.

1264
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: The point of it is it takes a village.

1265
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 10: I love that.

1266
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 5: That is beautiful story. I know I like it too.

1267
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 5: But yes, we agree. We love her. She's a friend

1268
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 5: of the show and we want nothing but the best

1269
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 5: for her. But I understand Ed's audio might be working.

1270
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 5: He might be back, is back.

1271
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 10: Ed.

1272
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 3: We almost lost you there, We lost you for a second.

1273
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 3: Wilcome back.

1274
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 14: I yes, great to be here. I love you people.

1275
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 14: Oh I hate it when Thursday it ends and I

1276
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 14: have to wait some.

1277
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Speaker 3: O.

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: ED.

1279
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: We appreciate that.

1280
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Speaker 14: At any rate. I just wanted to ask you if

1281
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 14: you guys have noticed the one sitting next to Courtney

1282
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 14: that she's been taking a lot of days off, sometimes weeks,

1283
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 14: either allegedly allegedly allegedly going to see your mother or

1284
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 14: taking a trip you know, here or there, and she

1285
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 14: knows I was, I'm referring to the heist in France,

1286
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 14: and I'm thinking that she knows how to recook the

1287
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 14: diamonds from the crown so that they can't to and U.

1288
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 10: On my day.

1289
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: You are going to get into that load of her

1290
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: life depended on it because she's in a weighted vest

1291
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: a't a thousand pounds and any rate.

1292
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 14: You know. I was just wondering if you guys have

1293
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 14: noticed or you know, because she probably knows how to

1294
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 14: get a fake uh transport or a for flying of

1295
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 14: the country.

1296
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: Wow, well you know, listen, thank you for the off.

1297
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: And man, by the way, if I had some if

1298
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: she has sapphires in those pockets to cough them up.

1299
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 5: So Fortney took a day off and apparently broke into

1300
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 5: the love.

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: Wow, I lately, why did you bring me an emerald?

1302
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: I just told you, I want to know. We all

1303
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 3: she was getting us crowns.

1304
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: All of us were going to get a crowd, that's right,

1305
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: But that one got lost in the wash.

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01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: I know it's going to be true Crown tonight. I know,

1307
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: true Crown. Do we have another?

1308
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 10: Do we have?

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: That was awesome?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Ed was lovely to hear from you. And by

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01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: the way, we have eyes on Courtney right now. All

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01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: of us are here, we are accounted for. I'm weird

1313
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: not stealing any Joel jewels.

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Speaker 10: She's not wearing any diamonds tonight, So okay, how about

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Speaker 10: we go to another talk back?

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Speaker 17: Hey, ladies Fleet from Canada. I was really captivating with

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 17: the Amy Bradley Netflix period, but I was wondering if

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 17: you think that public attention actually might cause her harm

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 17: if she has alone, because if someone took her years ago,

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 17: would if they now be trying to hide her and

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01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 17: couldn't that now make her unsafe? I really hope they

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 17: signed her alive and she comes back. Anyways, looking forward

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Speaker 17: to listening to you tonight.

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Speaker 3: By Ainsley.

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Speaker 5: You know, you have such a way of taking words

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 5: out of my mouth that I'm afraid to say. Okay,

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01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 5: but yes, I do think that it's possible that if

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Speaker 5: she is alive and living somewhere, that the attention listen

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 5: as somebody who's been in a documentary on Netflix. The

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 5: amount of eyes that are on you after these kinds

1331
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 5: of things come out are intense. I was on Facebook

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01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 5: and I would see photos of me from people I

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 5: don't know taking photos of me grocery shopping and sounds

1334
01:07:59,480 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: so upset.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 5: It's very weird, or at a hockey game eating a

1337
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 5: hot dog, like just weird things.

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Speaker 3: And I saw her today at the grocery store.

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Speaker 5: Just so, My point in bringing all this up is

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 5: that it's just a lot of attention, especially from these

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 5: big streaming networks, right So, yeah, I do think that's

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 5: possible one hundred percent, But I feel at this point

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 5: the family is probably desperate for information and are going

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 5: to use whatever means necessary to get the word out

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 5: that she's been missing, you know what I mean, maybe

1346
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 5: not even realizing the amount of tension it's gonna it's

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 5: gonna put on them.

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Speaker 2: Because I do alternative there, because that's a tough spot

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: and that we ask ourselves excuse me this a lot,

1350
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: which is if you if you scream from the rooftops

1351
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: that this is happening and that help is needed. Yes,

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: that's also putting a spotlight, which pulds potentially make the

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01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: situation worse for someone.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer there. I don't.

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: If it were me, I would want the documentary made

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: about me immediately.

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do.

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01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 5: If I was her family, I would do the same thing.

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 5: I don't think they did anything wrong. I think it's

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01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 5: worth the risk, you know I do. That's just my

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01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 5: take on it, though.

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Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is worth the risk.

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Speaker 6: And I mean, good grief, what are we going back

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Speaker 6: twenty five thirty?

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 10: At least?

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 6: You know?

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01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 3: I still feel like that time is like ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: I think it was nineteen eighty four, right, No, I know,

1369
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 3: but I feel like nineteen eighty four. I was like

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01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 3: a sophomore high school. It is ten years ago. What

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: are you talking about? Thirty years? It's a week lost.

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Speaker 2: It's when we're on a lunar eclipse or something. Isn't

1373
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: there a special lunar event happening tonight?

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 3: I think? Why movies? There's two moons? Is with two moons?

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 11: What?

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like an asteroid that we're getting in our

1377
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 5: orbit or something. Until twenty eighty three, we're going to

1378
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 5: have like two moons. But it's like a yeah, are

1379
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 5: you joking me?

1380
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: I can't believe in some way.

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01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 6: I literally can't believe I didn't know this because my

1382
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 6: father in law.

1383
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: Sends me all the moon because, as you could know,

1384
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: was that relating when you were out resting all the diamonds?

1385
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 6: That's what I was dying on the phone with Ed.

1386
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 6: I mean I was literally at dinner with my in law.

1387
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 3: Sure the airport, I see, because now.

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 6: Body, this body is going to be laying my calendar

1389
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 6: out with all the major crimes that are happening international.

1390
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: Now we know why the weighted best you've been like

1391
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 2: scaling the walls you've been this whole time, like Ocean's thirteen.

1392
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: You're like Spider Man scaling the walls of the loop

1393
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: back Ed, Ed is like, uh, something s fishy here?

1394
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 3: I I just listen. Nothing gets my end Okay.

1395
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: By the way, Courtney would be able to pull it

1396
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: off though, And secondly, I guess what even worse, Ed,

1397
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't tell who.

1398
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 3: You know if I had a feeling. Yeah, but can

1399
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 3: we do another talk about let's.

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 21: Hey, ladies, this is Sel from Florida. Than like a

1401
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 21: month since I left to talk back, I'm wanted to

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 21: get out on Tuesday action. I wanted to know if

1403
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 21: you're familiar with the.

1404
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 8: Chrystine Krue case.

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: It was the.

1406
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 21: Premiere of Dateline and also coincidentally twenty twenty the same story.

1407
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 21: But it is right along the lines with the whole

1408
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 21: like catfishing and stalking and someone close being the murderer,

1409
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 21: like and it was a husband.

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 3: But I am just stayed away.

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 10: Oh, I know, she revealed a little bit. Well, I

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01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 10: cheated and I did a little research on this one before,

1413
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 10: so I can fill us in on just a stage.

1414
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 10: And yeah, So Christy Krug she's a mother of three

1415
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 10: and an engineer from Bloomfield, Colorado. She was brutally murdered

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01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 10: in her garage on December fourteenth, twenty twenty three, after

1417
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 10: months of escalating digital stalking and surveillance. For over ten weeks,

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01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 10: Christie was harassed by someone posing as a former boyfriend,

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 10: sending explicit threatening messages and despite all her reports, everything

1420
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 10: was left in the dark. Authorities were left in the dark.

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 10: So that's just the surface of that story. But basically,

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 10: I don't want to give away too much because it

1423
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 10: sounds like it's something we might cover. She gave away

1424
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 10: a little bit of it now already, but I think

1425
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 10: it's a case that is intriguing and that if you

1426
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 10: guys are interested, it could be something we can dig into.

1427
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 10: I'm always interested, body you might find this interesting. After

1428
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 10: her death, urgent and urgent digital evidence revealed the IP

1429
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 10: address behind the harassment led back to Oh, well, I'm

1430
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 10: going to kind of give it away. I guess if

1431
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 10: it's on dateline it led back to her. Should I

1432
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 10: not say it?

1433
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it.

1434
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 10: Led back to someone, and that's how they figured out

1435
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 10: who it was.

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 5: Okay, But the key here is is that she was

1437
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 5: asking for help about this kind of stuff prior to

1438
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 5: her death and it was ignored.

1439
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1440
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 10: That's that is correct, And that's the important.

1441
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 3: Part, Right, that's the important part. I mean, obviously it's important.

1442
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: She died, clearly, no question, but her please for help

1443
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 3: fell on de waters.

1444
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 10: And that's that's It's all a tragedy, but that's one

1445
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 10: of the more levels of tragedy to add to it.

1446
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 10: So I think it's an important one to shed that light.

1447
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, I'm in.

1448
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 5: I'm atalist. Yeah, let's adit. Churlist to start to start

1449
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 5: digging into for sure, I'm in. Thank you for that talkback,

1450
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 5: because yeah, we're always looking for new you know, not

1451
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 5: necessarily just like cases just because they're violent, because we

1452
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 5: don't you know, that's not where we want to do.

1453
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 5: We want to you know, dig into these things to

1454
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 5: talk about change right and be better. And these kinds

1455
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 5: of cases like this one that you know, she just

1456
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 5: brought to us is the kind of case that can

1457
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 5: maybe bring about change, right. And I don't know what

1458
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 5: that and I don't know what that changes, whether it's

1459
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 5: like new different stalking laws, legislation, you know.

1460
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what it looks like.

1461
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: But it needs to get stood though in a better way,

1462
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: because again, these restraining orders are oftentimes nothing, not that

1463
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: you shouldn't get them, but of course it sometimes only

1464
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: aggravates the situation. It's very hard to enforce how much

1465
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: law enforcement needs to deploy every time there's an argument

1466
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 2: with someone versus someone who's really in a dangerous situation

1467
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: that is life threatening. And sometimes if you're in that situation,

1468
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,919
Speaker 2: it's hard to even know the line.

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of.

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: False alarms and then that's all part of the process

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: until it's a full alarm, right. So it's a complicated,

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: nuanced thing, and I do think it needs a real

1473
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 2: closer look because it's you know, for victims, it's hard

1474
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: to find help well.

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01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, in just hearing what Taha

1476
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 5: said about you know, she was getting messages and text messages,

1477
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 5: I'm guessing dms of some kind. I think there needs

1478
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 5: to be some kind of tech rule that people can't

1479
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 5: create these fake accounts and message people and whatnot.

1480
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: Like that should be something that's a good step.

1481
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 5: We literally need to start looking into like it's it's

1482
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 5: getting absurd. People are getting hurt, and it's all, yeah,

1483
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 5: I'm not into it.

1484
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 3: Well, listen, keep it here.

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 6: For the rest of Talkback Tuesday, we are continuing with

1486
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 6: talk Back Roulette. Sam and Adam are over the inbox entirely.

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 6: We have no idea what's coming next. I'm going to

1488
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 6: be covering my tracks from ED, so be on the lookout.

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: Keep it here at your Crime Tonight.

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 2: And welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie here with

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01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: the Courtney and Body. This is the time of night

1493
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: where we all lose our minds in the best way.

1494
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: It's a little off the rails. We're just thinking, Taha

1495
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 2: has the listen. It's the best and worst poker face.

1496
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: We were just, you know, having a giggle. If Fortney

1497
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 2: was doing a jewel heist and I knew it, especially

1498
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: if it was a crown with me in mind, I

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: probably would never to the grave. And Taha, I think

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: you were like nodding, like you too, but you couldn't.

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: Your face it is the most expressive.

1502
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: It's like a cartoon character, almost like he's like, oh shoot,

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01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: there's trouble, and it is like it is the it

1504
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 2: is so have you ever played poker?

1505
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 10: I have lost every time.

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01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I'll take you off your cash. Yeah,

1507
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm not great either.

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 10: Earlier second I look at the cards like, you know, oh,

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01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 10: sad face, that's not a good hand orgy.

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 3: You are like an emoji.

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 10: Yeah I wish I could change that. Yeah, if the

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01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 10: police investigated me about you robbing the loop, they would

1513
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 10: know immediately. Oh yeah, I think I know.

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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: A girl actually call ed here's his number, because you

1515
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: know she was missing yesterday and she does love Sapphires,

1516
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: and you know that would be so funny. But yeah,

1517
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: that is the Sophie's choice. How about the love though

1518
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: those guys. I mean, so far, no arrests. I know

1519
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 2: who We're going to wild wild talk about Tuesday.

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 15: Let's go to another Hi, ladies, I'm just calling in

1521
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 15: regards to internet access and poth and every with kids,

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 15: I think also a big thing. Just while I was listening,

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 15: my thought of was that people will be like, oh,

1524
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 15: it's not my kid or my kids like either too young.

1525
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 15: Nobody's going to do that. And I just want to

1526
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 15: bring up that there was a they made take Facebook

1527
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:27,440
Speaker 15: and like Instagram account for kids and hid photoshopped adults

1528
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 15: into looking like kids just to try to catch creditors

1529
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 15: online and everything like that, And in doing so, they

1530
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 15: made a profile for I think it was like an

1531
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 15: eight year old, and within minutes they had messages from

1532
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 15: grown people asking about them and stuff like that. When

1533
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 15: they were talking about their friends, there was like this

1534
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 15: grown man asking if their friend was still in diapers.

1535
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 15: So it is a harsh reality that I think a

1536
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 15: lot of parents need to take into account. And as

1537
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 15: someone who was an unrestricted access internet kid, my daughter

1538
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 15: will now be having very strict access and I'm sure

1539
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 15: she'll just like me for it. But I had grown

1540
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 15: men messaging me as early as like eleven years old

1541
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 15: when I was on my video games. So it is

1542
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 15: a harsh reality, and I think being honest with kids

1543
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 15: and making sure they're aware of those type of people

1544
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 15: out here will also help them be a little bit

1545
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 15: more understanding as to why you're being this way instead

1546
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 15: of thinking it's only a privacy issue.

1547
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 13: Thanks so much.

1548
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 15: Sorry for the long talk, pick, but hope we all

1549
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 15: have a wonderful night.

1550
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 5: Oh nothing to be sorry about. So this is my

1551
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 5: favorite talk about night. Harsh reality. I love that phrase,

1552
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 5: harsh reality. You're right, I often. I mean, it's kind

1553
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 5: of one of the things that I talk about a

1554
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 5: lot because I'm really passionate about internet safety for kids,

1555
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm like, if I had a kid,

1556
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 5: I will, you know, because I don't have children, so

1557
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 5: it's really easy for me to be that way, right,

1558
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 5: But it is. It's a harsh reality that we're living in,

1559
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 5: and I do think it's important to be honest with

1560
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 5: the children about the reality of this world, right. I mean,

1561
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 5: but what age do you start? I don't know those

1562
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 5: are those are?

1563
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we heard it last night from our caller

1564
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: that it was aged seven, So you know, you can't

1565
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: necessarily put the genie back in the bottle, But these

1566
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 2: are conversations. By the way, this is so much easier

1567
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: said than done, right, so I prescribe, Yeah, the conversation

1568
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 2: is the armor.

1569
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: I think that's the case for everything.

1570
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and even looking because you are so right of

1571
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 6: once again the harsh reality as body points it out,

1572
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 6: you know, and working on in cells, which we've been

1573
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 6: spending a bunch of time on. This is not a

1574
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 6: plug for it, but just the stuff of learn I mean,

1575
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 6: eighty five percent of women and girls globally experienced some

1576
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 6: form of online harassment or abuse. That's eighty five, that's right,

1577
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 6: eight five out of one hundred. And also similar, I

1578
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 6: was just reading up on a report similar to what

1579
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 6: you're saying, and someone created several accounts for like twelve

1580
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 6: year old boys and within one half an.

1581
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 3: Hour, they as well were being targeted.

1582
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 6: They didn't put information out, but potential predators came to

1583
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 6: them within a half an hour.

1584
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: So what's the answer. It's terrifying.

1585
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: I The hiccup is also that you know, we're in

1586
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: a COVID generation, the post COVID generation, so you know,

1587
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: the kids are smarter than all adults, I know, like

1588
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: they're really able to get around most of those safety measures.

1589
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: As our talkback just said, right, good luck finding And

1590
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: by the way, this is double sided. The downside is

1591
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: there's more ad you know, access to you know, predators

1592
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 2: and weirdos. The upside is the future will be bright

1593
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 2: because there's this generation of smarty pants tech humans that

1594
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: are just so advanced. So it is hard to of course,

1595
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 2: you have to safeguard, but you know, kids are getting

1596
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,480
Speaker 2: smart enough to get around the safeguards.

1597
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: Like you're kidding. Seven years old, you would have been

1598
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 3: cracking in the system.

1599
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 5: Feel like this is like a billion dollar business waiting

1600
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 5: to happen, like somebody that invents.

1601
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 3: Something that actually works.

1602
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 10: Protection, you know what I mean.

1603
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 5: Like protection because like protected. Oh shoot, I didn't think

1604
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 5: about that, Steph. You was thinking you're always thinking.

1605
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I think.

1606
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: That's the thing there the large right, you know, this

1607
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: is how do you think all these traffickers? And again

1608
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't get me back on my soapbox.

1609
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: I know I was a downer and segment one. I'm

1610
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, shake it off, shake it off. However,

1611
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 2: this is like I mean, we're hearing the reports about roadblocks,

1612
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: for example, which you know for many that is gained.

1613
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: I would never let my kids. That's what got most

1614
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: of the kids through COVID. So now you're not allowed

1615
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: to be on that because it is now you know,

1616
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 2: can I say this, this is allegedly a X trafficking Yes,

1617
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: it's a real hotbed. I thought that those safeguards, so

1618
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 2: I think there's a reason that there are.

1619
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: Coming down on them. Yeah, but what does that mean.

1620
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1621
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: DJ is coming down on all kinds of things. I

1622
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: want that to be true. But like we see this

1623
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: story here every night. You know, women are being trafficked left,

1624
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: right and backward and boys, and of course this is

1625
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: not just a gender thing, but it's like a real

1626
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: market and I think one of the most important ways

1627
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: they do that is through social media and tech.

1628
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1629
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, this is well timed because today

1630
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 6: Florida Attorney General led his roadblocks is a predator quote

1631
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 6: breeding ground, an investigation open. Yeah, so this is a

1632
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 6: new investigation today.

1633
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: By you think Instagram couldn't have put parental channels available sooner?

1634
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean again, nobody's watching TikTok anymore. For the dance

1635
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: videos anyway, I don't even have it. I love the

1636
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: dance videos, and by the way, I got a lot

1637
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 2: of joy out of them at some point as well.

1638
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 2: So this is not a judgment, but the reality is

1639
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: it's being used for different things, and social media is

1640
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: also a blueprint into your life, which makes it a

1641
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: real easy access point for a predator. We cannot forget

1642
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 2: that it went really far away from Hey, looking at

1643
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 2: picks from your best friend from high school that you

1644
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: haven't seen in twenty years. Oh my goodness, they had

1645
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: a baby, they bought a house, they got a car. Okay,

1646
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: then we saw the depression from that. Oh my god,

1647
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: their life is better than my life. I get a

1648
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 2: real kick out of seeing people that I grew up

1649
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: with from home have like, you know, life moments. I'm

1650
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: still in that like pocket. That's not the real world anymore.

1651
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: They now add bots in artificial intelligence, and there's a

1652
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: larger alcoholrythom business.

1653
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: It's cash.

1654
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: Where is the money. It's the same question we had

1655
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: in the first segment. You know, we talk about Virginia Goofrey,

1656
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 2: and we get our at least I do get lost

1657
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: in the sauce and the victims and the feelings and

1658
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: all the stuff.

1659
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 3: Where's the money? It is a money train.

1660
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: They really the only conversation that really needs to be

1661
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,440
Speaker 2: followed with a fine tooth comb, which we're all ignoring

1662
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: in any of the trafficking conversations.

1663
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 3: I'm on a soapbox. It's this cash. Follow the money, honestly,

1664
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: and Roeblox is no exception.

1665
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 6: No, And we should get into that a little more,

1666
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 6: you know, either tomorrow or later this week, but definitely

1667
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 6: get into it.

1668
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: And let's hit another talk back.

1669
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 22: Hi there, this is making import worth. And when you

1670
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 22: were talking about Ellen Greenberg the other day, I did

1671
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 22: not realize she had Ella's damost and I'm wondering if

1672
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 22: that could be the source of the bruising that was

1673
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 22: on her body. I have a friend who lives with that,

1674
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 22: and not only does she bruise very easily, but often

1675
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 22: many of the bruises never go away. Love the show

1676
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 22: so much, love all of you, and cannot wait for

1677
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 22: the merch.

1678
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: We're having a conversation about that tomorrow like a meeting.

1679
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 3: Oh really, oh, a merch merch meeting.

1680
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Excited set the set, the timer now again inside the sauce.

1681
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: Will Ap producer ava be there. Will she be sending

1682
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: secret messages? No, but it is a conversation happening tomorrow,

1683
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,919
Speaker 2: So more on that to come. It's a high priority.

1684
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 10: I love that.

1685
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're going to be talking more about Ellen

1686
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 5: Greenberg tomorrow, right tomorrow time, Yes, Crime and Show. Make

1687
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 5: sure you've watched the Hulu documentary out now. It's apartments

1688
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 5: four O three is that right? Or six six six

1689
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 5: three department?

1690
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah on an apartment.

1691
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 10: Six so three. What happened to Ellen Greenberg?

1692
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're going to be discussing it tomorrow. But yeah,

1693
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 5: she had Eller Dan Loos and that was one of

1694
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 5: the reasons that you know, they were saying she wouldn't

1695
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 5: have been stable with the stab, the stab wounds.

1696
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 3: That's my understanding. At least I still have to finish

1697
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 3: the show myself. Yeah, but I don't.

1698
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 5: A friend of mine has this as well, and she

1699
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 5: also bruises, and she'll have a bruise for weeks at

1700
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,560
Speaker 5: a time, but she also.

1701
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 10: Has familiar What is it, so you bruise very easily

1702
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 10: or I'm not familiar.

1703
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 5: With elder It's I don't really I don't want to

1704
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 5: speak out of turn or speak wrongly, but it's apparent

1705
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 5: it's it primarily affects your connective tissue and so your skin,

1706
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 5: your joints and blood vessels and things like that, and

1707
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 5: it makes them more like elastic.

1708
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: And again, you know what if I'm wrong, give us

1709
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 3: a call. Eighty eight thirty.

1710
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to things becoming a parent. It's

1711
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 6: apparent to me that Taha as well has not finished

1712
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 6: the documentary.

1713
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 3: Have you, Taha?

1714
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 10: How do you know? Did my poker face give it away?

1715
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 3: Strong? The face?

1716
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: I have to say, I just the exactly like its down,

1717
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 2: like literally looked down, like oh right by the way, ed,

1718
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: don't for it, don't come for me. But I'm going

1719
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: to be gone tomorrow.

1720
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 3: I have watched.

1721
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to send in my two cents to the girls.

1722
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Don't get me started on this documentary. You guys have

1723
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: to watch. It's very very good. It's very very good.

1724
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: I swear it's very very good.

1725
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 3: Hunting.

1726
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: It's important we are hunting webbits. But I'm not going

1727
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 2: to be here tomorrow. I've been invited to a party

1728
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: that I'm going to go to because I need to

1729
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: make some friends nice and you guys.

1730
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 5: Are willing, You're not allowed we're we You're only allowed

1731
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 5: to have us as friends, you know, I know, I know,

1732
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 5: I know which.

1733
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 3: You have to be in? No, fly free, fly free, No, No,

1734
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 3: I'm very possessive. Three hours.

1735
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 10: We'll miss you, but.

1736
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I to watch. I can't wait to discuss talk back. Yeah.

1737
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 16: Hey, this is Leslie and Alabama. I listen to you

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Speaker 16: guys every day and I love your show. And as

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01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 16: much as I love True Crime, I do enjoy the

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 16: hints today on cleaning, So that was pretty cool. And

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Speaker 16: I had one that I've never heard of anyone say

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Speaker 16: besides myself. Okay, you know the filament on Lily's how

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01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 16: it kind of shakes off?

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01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 13: Yes, you get that.

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01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 16: On your clothes. You can't wash it off, and if

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 16: you try it, it will be stuck there. So I

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01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 16: found out that if you take whatever it is that

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01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 16: has that filament on it and put it out in

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Speaker 16: the sun, the sun will absorb it and it will

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 16: be gone in less than a half an hour, which

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 16: is not only cool, but a great idea for a

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01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 16: Science Fair project. Anyway, goodness the show. Are you going

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Speaker 16: to rename it true crime and clean the way?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I love that is such a first of all, a great.

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Speaker 2: We didn't talk about the sound bath either. First of all, Yeah, Tim,

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Speaker 2: right to the test A lily lover. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I have suffered from this and I have a blouse

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Speaker 2: that I love that I still have that has a

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Speaker 2: epic lily stain on it, and I wonder if it's

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01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: too late because I probably like clean this little axe.

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Speaker 3: These little tips are everything?

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Speaker 5: Ever like the surround favorite one?

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Speaker 3: Did you try it? Did you tryin carpet?

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01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 2: Did you throw a bottle of red wine all over

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01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: your couch? Not your couch, it has to be a carpet.

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01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Don't talk about the sound band?

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Speaker 3: What is the sound what's that?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 3: I've only been to a few. One of them.

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Speaker 2: I was a disaster in and I like sobbed weirdly

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Speaker 2: like what in ways I can't quite describe, so speaking,

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01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: it was post Dodger. Yeah, I went to a sound

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Speaker 2: bad that was recommended to me and I kind of

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01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 2: like weirdly sobbed the entire.

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Speaker 3: Time, but it felt really good.

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01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: And basically it's all of these I'm going to get

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01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: this a little bit wrong, but it's basically bowls, beautiful bowls,

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01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: and the person who does it like is trained and

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01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: knows what sounds good and they basically take kind of

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01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: like a stick or most painful and they go room

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01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 2: and it makes it that's your body vibration. Yeah, and

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01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: it like it heals you because it's at the right frequency.

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Speaker 3: Of your I'm in, I'm in, let's do it. I

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Speaker 3: think that's right. My saying that right, court That's yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's very Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They it's the vibrations from the bowl and the way

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01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 6: that the technicians sort of hit it. They will hit

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Speaker 6: different parts of our bodies will be affected, and it's

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01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,959
Speaker 6: it's pretty profound.

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 2: On the Giggles one time, sobbed one time it was

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01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: just like whatever, It's like, really what you need in

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Speaker 2: that moment?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Good, I love it. Well, we're done. I guess

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01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: we are done.

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Speaker 2: That is a wrap, everybody, So listen tomorrow. We have

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Speaker 2: a full show on Wednesday.

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01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 3: Taha. What do we have to look forward to? Tomorrow?

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Speaker 10: We're going to update the updates on the heist in

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01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 10: Paris not involving Courtney and True Crime and Chilly Yay

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Speaker 10: see you then.

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Speaker 3: I love you. Stay safe out there.