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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to a new episode of Legally Brunette.

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Speaker 1: I will be your host Emily Simpson with Shane. Today

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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about Shawn Comb's The Reckoning,

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Speaker 1: and I will be honest with you. I didn't really

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Speaker 1: have the intention of doing a podcast on this because

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Speaker 1: we had followed the Ditty trial, We'd done a couple

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Speaker 1: podcasts on Ditty. The Reckoning came out. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know, is there really anything? Is

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Speaker 1: there information in here?

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Speaker 2: No more investigation, there's no more, you know, anything interesting

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Speaker 2: to stink our teeth into. But then this comes out.

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Speaker 1: But then this comes out, And again I didn't really

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Speaker 1: have the intention of talking about it until I kept

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Speaker 1: getting so many dms from you guys out there, which

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Speaker 1: I'm thankful for because you you guys have good insight.

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Speaker 1: But so many people were reaching out saying, have you

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Speaker 1: watched it? Are you guys going to talk about it?

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Speaker 1: You should talk about it. So I watched it. So

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Speaker 1: Shawn Comes. The Reckoning is a four part Netflix docu

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Speaker 1: series that offers an in depth look at the rise

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Speaker 1: and fall of Sean Ditty Combs. It's directed by Alexandria

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Speaker 1: Stapleton and executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson. The

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Speaker 1: series traces Comb's journey from an influential Bad Boy Records

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Speaker 1: founder to a convicted felon serving a prison sentence, using

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Speaker 1: exclusive interviews with former associates to jurors. This is interesting

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Speaker 1: and insiders alongside never before seen footage some shot in

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Speaker 1: the days right before his twenty twenty four arrest. So

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Speaker 1: when I first started watching it, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: they have some footage in here that is really interesting

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Speaker 1: because he is documenting himself at the Park Hyatt Hotel

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Speaker 1: in New York City, like literally a couple days before

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Speaker 1: he's about to be arrested, and he knows that they're

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Speaker 1: investigating coming. He knows it's coming, he knows he's being investigated.

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Speaker 1: He knows he's gonna have all these charges. Let's just

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Speaker 1: before we get into this, let's just go back and

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Speaker 1: talk about the charges and what he was convicted of.

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Speaker 1: So Diddy was accused of racketeering, two sex trafficking counts,

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Speaker 1: and two counts of transportation for prostitution. The charges centered

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Speaker 1: on his conduct with ex girlfriend Cassie Ventura and an

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Speaker 1: anonymous victim known as Jane, who testified in the trial.

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Speaker 1: Jane had data combs from early twenty twenty one until

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Speaker 1: his arrest and indictment in September of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Despite her anonymity, many are convinced that Jane is Daphne Joy,

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Speaker 1: the mother of fifty cents child. See maybe that's what

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Speaker 1: makes fifty so invested as well.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Ditty was ultimately convicted on two counts of transportation for prostitution.

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Speaker 1: So we did do earlier podcast episodes about Ditty when

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Speaker 1: we were following the trials, So if you would like

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Speaker 1: to go back and listen to those, I think those

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Speaker 1: are good episodes. Also, if you remember, he was not

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Speaker 1: convicted of the higher charges of rico and sex traffickings

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Speaker 1: length he would have been in prison for a lot

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't they confiscate a lot of his assets and stuff too?

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Speaker 1: Most likely, But he was convicted of the less serious

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Speaker 1: charge of just transporting people across state lines for prostitution. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is now all his did. He was acquitted of

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Speaker 1: the most serious charge of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a

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Speaker 1: potential life sentence, as well as the two charges of

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking so obviously we're not recappers. So this is

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Speaker 1: four parts. I don't want to go through and recap this.

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Speaker 1: It's very long, it's very complicated, it's very in depth.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very well done if you're invested in

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Speaker 1: it and you want to go back to the nineties

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Speaker 1: to talk about like when he first started, how he

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Speaker 1: came up in the music business, the people he dealt with, some.

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Speaker 2: Of his early re footage from.

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Speaker 1: A lot of real footage, a lot of interviews. It's

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Speaker 1: very very well done. But I as I watched it,

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Speaker 1: I thought, let's pull out some of the things that

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Speaker 1: really stuck out to me and some of the significant

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Speaker 1: things that I want to talk about. The first is

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Speaker 1: that video footage used in the series. So the Netflix

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Speaker 1: docuseriies begins with never before seen footage showing Sean Diddycomb's

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Speaker 1: speaking with his attorney, Mark agnifient I could never say

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Speaker 1: his last name was his initial Agnifhilo, mark A mark A.

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Speaker 1: attorney who represents Luigi Mangioni. So these are some high

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Speaker 1: profile attorneys. So Mark agnif Philo, less than a week

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Speaker 1: before his arrest, he's speaking to his attorney. This is

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Speaker 1: in the video footage. The footage was recorded by a

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Speaker 1: videographer Combs had hired to document his legal troubles. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing about Sean Combs is you could tell

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Speaker 1: even though he's being investigated by the FBI, he knows

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Speaker 2: Because well didn't he didn't he before sentencing think he

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. You mean he was already like

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a party or if

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Speaker 2: it was some type of some type of celebration, some

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Speaker 2: type of thing where he's anticipating, being clear enough, being

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Speaker 2: in the slammer, right, And that was like, who do

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Speaker 2: you think you are?

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Speaker 1: He's Sean? Did he cumbs? He's gotten away with a

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Speaker 1: lot of things from many Combs many many many years. So,

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Speaker 1: despite uncertainty surrounding Comb's motivations for filming himself, director Alexandria

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Speaker 1: Stapleton suggested he may have been attempting to shape or

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Speaker 1: preserve control over his own public narrative.

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Speaker 2: I mean what it was, I'd be like, you find

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Speaker 2: and search our place, and you quickly call Brav when

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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, let's document this. I'm about to go

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Speaker 2: to jail. I mean, I would never want to do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you think you and I wouldn't. But I

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Speaker 1: feel like when you said that, I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: housewives that would do that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

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Speaker 1: So fifty Stapleton and Netflix have all kept the source

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Speaker 1: of the footage private. Stapleton said it came to us

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Speaker 1: we obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.

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Speaker 1: We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.

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Speaker 1: One thing about Shawn Combs is that he's always filming

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Speaker 1: himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades. We

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Speaker 1: also reached out to Shawncomb's legal team for an interview

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Speaker 1: and comment multiple times, but we did not hear back.

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Speaker 1: So just one day before the series premiered on Netflix,

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Speaker 1: Comb's attorneys sent Netflix a cease and desist letter alleging

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Speaker 1: the footage was improperly acquired and used without authorization. Comb's

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Speaker 1: representatives also claimed the material was originally intended for a

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Speaker 1: separate documentary project that Combs had been developing, which was

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Speaker 1: later stalled due to his mounting legal issues. Now, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I don't believe that for one second. I

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Speaker 2: Would you record yourself talking to your attorney about a

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Speaker 1: Right? A Netflix rep told Variety in a statement in

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Speaker 1: early December, the claims being made about Seawan Combs the

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Speaker 1: reckoning are false. The project has no ties to he

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Speaker 1: passed conversations between Shawn Combs and Netflix. The footage of

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Speaker 1: Combs leading up to his indictment and arrests were legally obtained.

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Speaker 1: This is not a hit piece or an act of retribution. Now,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Netflix is what a multi billion dollar company?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, mega billion, megabillion, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because they bought like Warner Bros. Like seventy billions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're gonna tell me that Netflix doesn't have

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Speaker 2: Brightest attorney this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Of course they they I would have written back a

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Speaker 3: ceasing distance letter for Shawn Combs and been like, stop

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Speaker 3: contacting us, No, stop abusing women and other people and

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Speaker 3: harming society, and you know, I mean seriously.

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Speaker 1: So I did read that. I think it was a

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Speaker 2: Like a sub has a lot of former assistants.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot of former people out there that

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Speaker 1: have dealt with him. But he said that the footage

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Speaker 1: was obtained from the videographer because Shawn Combs never has

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Speaker 1: contracts in play, so he doesn't pay people and he

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Speaker 1: just expects loyalty, like he always is wanting people to

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Speaker 2: So special that everyone will be blessed to be able

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Speaker 1: And follow him and to be part of his entourage

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Speaker 1: watched the entire series. And if you get to part four,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later, if you see.

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Speaker 2: That video footage of him beating that girl and pulling

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Speaker 2: he is an entitled person and he thinks everyone wants

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Speaker 1: Were called when we talked about the trial, then he

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Speaker 2: I thinks he can murder people and get away with.

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Speaker 1: It most likely. So the way I understand it, just

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Speaker 1: attorney client privilege, you can't assert that that information that

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Speaker 1: be aired when exactly this documentary starts out. And it's

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Speaker 1: So they do go into that because we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into Biggie's murder and Tupac's murder.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that because I don't listen

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Speaker 2: to gangster rap. You don't know is it gangster rap

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Speaker 2: or well, they're gangsters. Apparently they're killing each other.

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Speaker 1: The East Coast Versus West Coast hip Hop Rivalry was

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Speaker 1: Yes, that would be That sounds appropriate. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: docu series on Netflix, there were people that were alleging

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Speaker 1: that Biggie was set up by Sean Combe somehow, and

434
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Speaker 1: that he was involved in it, and that he wouldn't

435
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: let him go to London, he wanted him to be

436
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: in LA.

437
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: Has that not always been kind of lingering around that

438
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Speaker 2: he might have been involved in Well, I think.

439
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: There's always been speculation that he was involved. Well, he actually,

440
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, let's think about it. First of all, do

441
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: you remember the MTV.

442
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 2: After Yeah, that when he sung with Sting or Yeah

443
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: I had the Sting sample in it. That's the first

444
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 2: time I ever knew heard of him, saw him before Yeah,

445
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: because I didn't really fall you know that music. I

446
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: wasn't against. I just didn't follow it. And when I

447
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: started to learn a little bit of the story that

448
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: it was, you know, BIG's death and now he's out,

449
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: thought I thought he was just capitalizing off his death. Well,

450
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Speaker 2: I didn't think he was a part of it because

451
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know much. But I also thought like, oh,

452
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: like kind of like disrespectful, like he's just capitalizing off

453
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: the death. And I don't know, I just I didn't

454
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: like him from that that day on.

455
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Speaker 1: Well, I would say that that musical appearance, I would

456
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: say shot him kind of through the roof as far

457
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: as started. I mean, he definitely that was a good

458
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: way to put it.

459
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: I never heard of him, and then I heard of him.

460
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: He absolutely capitalized or won or became bigger after Biggie

461
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: Small's death. Biggie Smalls was the face of bad Boy,

462
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: but once Biggie was gone, then Sean Combs became like

463
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: a recording artist and was the face of bad Boy,

464
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Speaker 1: and I love it. You don't look at Instagram like

465
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Speaker 1: I do. But now everybody after this documentary has coming

466
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Speaker 1: out like a trending reel is all these people wearing

467
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: like because you know, he had like the white flowy

468
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: outfit on, he had like the white shirt, like the

469
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: white pants, and then he did that crazy dance when

470
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: he came out on stage. Yeah, so everybody's recreating that.

471
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I just killed my wife and

472
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: then it shows him like dancing.

473
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Speaker 2: I agree with that. That's not funny. Am I going

474
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: to find a real of you saying you just killed

475
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: your husband and you're dancing. No, No, because it's not funny.

476
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: You're worth more alive.

477
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: So oh so it's a monetary thing.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They also allegend this documentary that he had this

479
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: huge funeral for Biggie, like he made it this huge thing.

480
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: And then there was an interview I think it was

481
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Speaker 1: with his original partner at Bad Boy. I think it

482
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: was with Kirk. His name's Kirk Burrows. We're gonna talk

483
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: about him in a little bit, but he claimed that

484
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Speaker 1: he made this huge funeral, this big spectacle of Biggie Smalls.

485
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: But then Biggie Smalls, he said he spent so much

486
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Speaker 1: money on it that Shawn Combs was like, well, Biggie

487
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: has to pay for it himself, which I assume that

488
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Speaker 1: means it comes out of his estate or whatever was

489
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: owed to him in some way they use that money,

490
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Speaker 1: not his own way.

491
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Speaker 2: I say, like it was a publicity thing, like let's

492
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Speaker 2: make a big.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on. There were some other

494
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Speaker 1: things that just stood out to me in this docuseriies,

495
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: and one of them was also when they interviewed aubry

496
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Speaker 1: O Day. And if you remember aubriy O Day, she

497
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: was from making the band? Did you ever watch that

498
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: on MTV?

499
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: Off and on, you know, when I would try to

500
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: find music videos and they kept throwing episodes things.

501
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: So in the docu series we learned that did he

502
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: send aubrey O Day a string of sexually explicit emails

503
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: and images of his penis while they were filming making

504
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: the band?

505
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: And these are young kids? I think she was nineteen, Yeah,

506
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: not underage, but young kids. Yeah, yeah, she was very

507
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: young and very inappropriate. Right, he's in a way, he's

508
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Speaker 3: their superior.

509
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: Their boss, yes, right, he's in a position of power, yes, right,

510
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 1: he's the producer he's making a band. This is danity

511
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: King talk.

512
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: About pressure because these girls, all these candidates are trying

513
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: to become a superstar and this is their opportunity. So

514
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: they are on their extreme pressure to comply.

515
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Speaker 1: So aubry O Day reads an email that he had

516
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: sent her. I was shocked, shocked.

517
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Speaker 2: Oh you read the email? The emails known?

518
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: She read it and read it. Yeah, so O'Day read

519
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: some of the emails aloud, with one of them saying, quote,

520
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: I make my one and do what I tell her

521
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: to do, and she loves it. I just want and

522
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: like to do things different. I'm a finish watching this

523
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: porn and finished masturbating. I'll think of you if you

524
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: change your mind and get ready to do what I say.

525
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: It's a Hallmark card thinking of you.

526
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: Smiley face. The email, dated March twenty third, two thousand

527
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: and eight, included Comb's standard signature at the time, God

528
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: Bless Diddy, God is the greatest.

529
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: That's pay It is the email signature. He doesn't type

530
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: it every time.

531
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't type it every time, but I mean

532
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: you can see the irony in it, Like I'm gonna

533
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: I want to do all these things to you and

534
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch porn. I'm going to masturbate thinking

535
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: of you, smiley face, which.

536
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: Was it was a colon and a parenthesis right close parentheses.

537
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't an emoji.

538
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: No, And if you were savvy, you'd do a semi

539
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: colon and a close prey. Yeah.

540
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: Aubrey O'Day said she continually turned down comb sexual advances

541
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: and was eventually kicked out of Danity Kane. I absolutely

542
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Speaker 1: felt that I was fired for not participating sexually as

543
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: she made the cut. She part of the band, She

544
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: was part of the band, but then he fired her,

545
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: and she's alleging, which I mean makes sense that it

546
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: was because that he fired her because he was pissed

547
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: because he kept coming onto her and sending her sexually

548
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: explicit emails and she didn't want to have anything to

549
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: do with them, and so he, you know, he fired her.

550
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous.

551
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: In addition, ode read an affid David from an alleged

552
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: witness to the singer being sexually assaulted by Ditty and

553
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: another individual in a studio room. O'Day says she has

554
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: no recollection of the assault taking place. This was really sad.

555
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: I know, Aubrey. And this was really sad for me because,

556
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: first of all, the emails were shocking, and I thought,

557
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: what a horrible thing for a nineteen year old to

558
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: have to go through. Not only are you on a

559
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: reality show and you're.

560
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: Talented, Yeah, you're under pressure.

561
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: All this pressure.

562
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: This guy that controls my band, controls my fate in

563
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: what I'm pursuing, right, my passion, and now I have

564
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: to like either comply and go along with this that

565
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: I that is unnatural, or I have to risk getting fired. Right.

566
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: So she's in this position of someone in in a

567
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: position of power harassing her control sexual So this affidavit

568
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: came to her through an attorney. It was another witness,

569
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: so someone else.

570
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: He has, Like, so she still had the email.

571
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: Well, she has all the emails, yes, and she read

572
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: some of them. Wow, But she also has this new

573
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: affidavit because someone else is suing him civilly he has

574
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is currently, but I believe

575
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: there's over like a hundred civil cases against him right now.

576
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: And the number changes.

577
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Because not one hundred parties like a class action type no, no, no,

578
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: like a hundred individual lawsuits five right, And I.

579
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: Don't know the exact number, because if you watch the

580
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: docu series, it's like I think, because some of them

581
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: might get dismissed or some of them might get settled

582
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: or something or I don't know, but they when you

583
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: have that many rolling on, right, I mean, it's a lot.

584
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: So someone sued him civilly for sexual something, and they

585
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: included an affidavit within their lawsuit against him that they

586
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: went to a party one night that they were in

587
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: a house. They were walking through the house trying to

588
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: find the restroom. They went upstairs in this house. It

589
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: was a big house. They're walking down the hallway. They

590
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: keep opening doors to find the bathroom. They opened a door,

591
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: they fine, they said, She said. She opened the door

592
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: and inside the room, Aubrey O Day was passed out

593
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: like andebriated on the I don't know, on a floor

594
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: bed I don't know. And then Sean Combs was raping

595
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: her and there was another man that was doing sexual

596
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: things as well. I won't go into the graphic details

597
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: of it. And she writes this in an affidavit and

598
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: then it gets filed. So then obviously the Affidavid gets

599
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: sent to Aubrey O Day and I feel horrible because

600
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: in her interview she's reading the Affidavid she had just

601
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: recently gotten it, and she has no recollection of this night,

602
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: of that night or that happening. Yeah. None.

603
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: So that's the first time she learns about what happened

604
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: to her, right.

605
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: And not only is she learning about it, but she

606
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: also says and that she also says, I wasn't like

607
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: a heavy drinker, So it's not like I went to

608
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: a party and got.

609
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: I don't normally get right. I don't do that part

610
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: of the plan, right.

611
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: So I think if this is true, and to me

612
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: it seems very true because there were a lot of

613
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: details in this Avid David about and this woman at

614
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: the end, I mean, she signed it under penalty of perjury,

615
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: and she says she is one hundred percent certain that

616
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: it was Aubrey o Day. And let's be honest, Aubrey

617
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: was on TV, She's on a reality show. She's recognizable,

618
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: she's very distinctive looking. You know, I knew who she

619
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: was at the time. I'm just a kid that lives

620
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: in Ohio.

621
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: So I couldn't name anyone else from the band except

622
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: for her.

623
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Right exactly. She was definitely the star standout that was

624
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: very recognizable. So and then you know, she says something

625
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: in the interview that was very intelligent. She says, if

626
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: this is something that's made up, this is a horrible

627
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: thing to do to me, you know what I mean?

628
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: But if oh, either way, it's bad thrawing me in

629
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: this situation where you know, it's disgusting what story you're

630
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: telling about me, And if it is true, it's still

631
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: disgusting that it actually happened, right.

632
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: And then it puts her in a position. This was

633
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: my takeaway from it because I listened to it twice.

634
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I actually went back and watched I watched her interview

635
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: twice because I thought she was so intelligent and poised

636
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: in what she said. And also she said, if this

637
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: didn't happen, I'm put in a position where if I

638
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: question it, and I questioned this person's integrity, then I'm

639
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: doing a disservice to all the other people because if

640
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: this person is made out to be a liar, or if.

641
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: That was just misidentified her, which we think is unlikely,

642
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: but if they misidentified her, now their credibility is shot right.

643
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Right, So she's I felt like she was just in

644
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: a lose She.

645
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: Love.

646
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what's Is there a statue of limitation?

647
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm rape there might be, but if she just learned

648
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: about it more recently, it might be from that time

649
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: that the statue imitation it starts to trigger right and

650
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: the countdown begins. Well, well, I whatever it is, I

651
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 2: hope she makes it through it.

652
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Also, let's go into I thought Kirk Burrows was a

653
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: very interesting character for me on this documentary. He was

654
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: one of the partners with Ditty that started Bad Boy Records,

655
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: so he is splashed throughout this entire four part series.

656
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: There are multitudes of interviews with him, and he's been

657
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: with Ditty since day one, so I think he has

658
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I find him to be very credible because he's been

659
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: there and seen at all.

660
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: So.

661
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Shawn Combs and Kirk Burrows co founded the music label

662
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: bad Boy Entertainment back in nineteen ninety three. The company's

663
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: creation came two years after nine people died in a

664
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: stampede during a celebrity basketball game that Ditty had organized.

665
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: This was reported by CNN. I think we might have

666
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: talked about this basketball game when we did our earlier

667
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Ditty episodes, but he organized like a basketball a celebrity

668
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: basketball game, and then there were way too many people

669
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: and nine people got trampled and died. And that was all.

670
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. We didn't talk about think we

671
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: talked about it. How many people died?

672
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Nine? What Yeah? Combs allegedly gave his mother Janis seventy

673
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: five percent of the company in stock and Burrows had

674
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: the remaining twenty five percent to avoid being held financially

675
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: responsible for.

676
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: The charge love he is, Yeah, or you will die

677
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: or be violated.

678
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: So his partner Burrows alleges in the docuseries that Diddy

679
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: did not put the company in his name in order

680
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: to protect him from paying families in that tragedy that happened.

681
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: And then so his mother Janis has seventy five percent

682
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: of Bad Boy, and then Burrows had his twenty five

683
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: percent cut. Burrows has alleged that Combs subjected him to

684
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: years years of verbal, emotional, and physical abuse during their

685
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: time running the company together. He claimed that nineteen ninety

686
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: six did he threatened him with a baseball bat and

687
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: forced him to sign over his twenty five percent ownership

688
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: stake in Bad Boy Entertainment. He was later allegedly fired

689
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: from the company for declining to alter Biggie's contract. After

690
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: his death, Burrows said in the docuseries that he was

691
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: blacklisted in industry for the next twenty five years, which

692
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: I believe because I've never heard of him, and I

693
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: don't think that he's been able to make his way

694
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: in that industry after that. So he claims that did

695
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: he threatened him with a bat took his twenty five percent,

696
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: but also promised that he would give it back to him,

697
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: and then never gave it back to him.

698
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: He didn't keep his promise.

699
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: He didn't keep his promise. So in February of twenty

700
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: twenty five, Burroughs filed a lawsuit against Combs, accusing him

701
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: of years of alleged predatory actions that included subjecting him

702
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: to repeated sexual harassment, physical aggression, and force compliance with

703
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: degrading sexual acts. According to the complaint, the alleged harassment

704
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: occurred during nineteen ninety two and ninety four and escalated

705
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: to physical coercion and forced submission, as well as alleged

706
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: sexual abuse between ninety five and ninety six. He also

707
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: claims there was an incident where Combs told him to

708
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: come into his office and when he went into his office.

709
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Combs was getting like, you know, fillatio under the desk,

710
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: and he did it to like make him I don't know.

711
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: To me, that's a no. It's this is how sick

712
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: and dimnit he that I think he uses.

713
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 2: And you know how many other people who have been

714
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: violated don't know just like she says she did not happen.

715
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we'll get more into that

716
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: because then there's another producer that's in the fourth part

717
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: of this docuseries named Little Rod, and I feel terrible

718
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: for this guy too, but I think, I mean, my

719
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: takeaway is that Diddy is just a sexual deviant. It's

720
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: not even like is he gay or straight or bisexual.

721
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's just a diabolical way that

722
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: he controls and manipulates and violates other people and by

723
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: degrading them and sexually abusing them. And that's just how

724
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: he controls and it's sick and demended. And you know,

725
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: all these people that are in these docuseries, a lot

726
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: of these people weren't involved in the trial. And I'm

727
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: thinking that the trial, I feel like the prosecutors might

728
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: have prosecuted him too early before they investigated enough because

729
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more information and there's more people,

730
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: and there's more victims that are in this docu series

731
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: that does more to establish a criminal enterprise or all

732
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: this sexual deviant behavior, or you know what I mean.

733
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Like I felt like maybe the prosecutors prosecuted him too

734
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: quickly and maybe should have spent more time collecting more

735
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: evidence and more witnesses, and.

736
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: They were smoking guns and they really didn't do their homework.

737
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: So Kirk Burrows also separately filed a complaint against Janis

738
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: That's p did his mother, claiming that she knowingly participated

739
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: in the fraudulent scheme to obtain one hundred percent control

740
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: of Bad Boy Entertainment, and that she carefully maintained a facade,

741
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: a facade of integrity, while orchestrating the plane of financial

742
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: and professional downfall behind the scenes. Both twenty five cases

743
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: remain pending. Now I think this Kirk Burrows is now

744
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: in a state where he's comfortable suing him and he's

745
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about what happened because he knows that now

746
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: he'll be taken seriously. Also in the fourth part, there's

747
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: someone named Little Rod who is a producer. I felt

748
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: sorry for this guy.

749
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: Because guy broke my heart.

750
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: No, you could be a little Shane, I'd be No,

751
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: I'd bet Big Rod.

752
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Oh, of course you would. Lil Rod broke my heart.

753
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: So Rodney little Rod Jones alleged Combs sexually harassed, drugged,

754
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: and threatened him while he worked for Combs on his

755
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: Love album from September twenty twenty two to November of

756
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. The music producer also alleged at Combs

757
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: and others that Combs hired sexually assaulted him. I guess

758
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: he started out being a producer for Combs, because I

759
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: think Sean Combs had some kind of like producer writing

760
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: two week academy kind of thing where there were all

761
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: these people in the studio and he was writing that

762
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: new Love album. He had a bunch of people there

763
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: and they were singing and writing, and people had all

764
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: these suggestions and he didn't like any of it. And

765
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: then Lil Rod was the one person who I guess

766
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: he wrote something or did something that he liked and

767
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's it, Like that's a hit. So

768
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: then he takes him, he plucks him out of there

769
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: and says, okay, I want you to produce this album,

770
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: and they go I believe it was to Miami, to Combs'

771
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: his home in Miami to produce this album. And he's

772
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: living with him in his house and every day he's

773
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: waking up and he's like, and everything's recorded, all the

774
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: video footage they have of all this is insane that

775
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: he just records everything. But he's working on this album.

776
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: He's there for like a year and a half, almost

777
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: two years. They finally get this album produced. He says

778
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: it takes forever. Then he's like waking up in the

779
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: morning and like Combs is in bed with him, and

780
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: he's and Combs is showing him porn and he's saying

781
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: he's showing him gay porn and saying like you need

782
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: to watch this because this is like what music is.

783
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: And he's questioning everything, like how is this guy so successful?

784
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: He's telling me, like, you know, we all have to

785
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: be drugged and have these orgies and freak offs and

786
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: watch porn, and I don't know. He ends up staying

787
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: there and they get this album produced because he was

788
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: promised two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and Combs also

789
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: allegedly told him he was going to buy him the

790
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: house next door.

791
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: So it's not what are you gonna do. You're in

792
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: the middle of this huge project, you're trying to get

793
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: your career going right, and you're just gonna be like, Okay,

794
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: this is gross and quit. I mean, that's that's hard.

795
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: It is hard.

796
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: I know, you don't know. Maybe it's just another month

797
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: tough it out, and that ends up being six more month.

798
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, right, So he ends up staying

799
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: through the whole thing. He he gets the album made. Finally,

800
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: the album does well. I think it's it's I think

801
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: it does pretty well. He never receives a dime and

802
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: there's no contract in place, and he never gets payment.

803
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: There was nothing written.

804
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: No and no payment. He got no money.

805
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: Well, and you think Sean Combs overlooked that part of the.

806
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why when I saw that

807
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: fourth part, it made me go back to where we

808
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: were talking about the video footage and how he just

809
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: has people around him doing all these jobs, but there's

810
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: never contracts in place and there's never payment, and he

811
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: just expects loyalty because of who he is. And so

812
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: this guy, little rod Well he could did he sue.

813
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: Well he did, yeah, so Rod filed. Well. I Rod

814
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: filed a thirty million dollar lawsuit against Didy in February

815
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, accusing him of sexual misconduct and

816
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: included Justin Comb's Diddy's son as a defendant. He claimed

817
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: that Justin was present at a freak off. In March,

818
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: a judge dismissed five of Rod's nine claims against Ditty,

819
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: so he still has four open claims. So well, I

820
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: hope Rod gets some kind of compensation. The guy was

821
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: talking about how he missed Christmases with his kids and

822
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: birthdays with his kids. I don't know they showed they

823
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: showed him doing like did he doing press for the

824
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: Love tour? The Love album? But he was I believe

825
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: he was arrested shortly after that came out, So I

826
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: think if there was success, it was very short lived. Yeah.

827
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: They also interview Clayton how who was a former sex worker.

828
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: In the docu series. He was a former male escort

829
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: and he details his alleged encounters with Diddy and his

830
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: then girlfriend Cassie. Clayton Howard claims the duo hired him

831
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: to participate in days long drug fueled sex parties. Now.

832
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: We talked about this when we did earlier episodes about

833
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the Freakoffs. It was really interesting to have him talk

834
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: about it because he gave a lot of details he confirmed,

835
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: like all the baby oil and how much did he

836
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: love the baby oil.

837
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: We needed confirmation about the baby saw.

838
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: The picture, I know, but just hearing it from side

839
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: confirmed the baby oil.

840
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. He claims that he went to see them every

841
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: two to three weeks. I was involved with this for

842
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: a little over eight years, so he was involved in

843
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: doing these sexual freak offs for over eight years.

844
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: He was he was just attending or was he They would.

845
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Fly him like wherever. I don't know where he was

846
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: based out of.

847
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was just a guest, right

848
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: he was brought in.

849
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: He had sex with Cassie and he said the first time,

850
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the first encounter he had, I believed Shaw Combs came

851
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: out with a T shirt wrapped around his head so

852
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: he wouldn't recognize.

853
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: Him around his own head.

854
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Shawn Combs watched while this sex worker had

855
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: sex with Cassie, but he didn't want him to recognize him,

856
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: so he had a T shirt wrapped around his head,

857
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I guess he could still see

858
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: he have like holes cut in the T shirt. I

859
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: don't know.

860
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't know either.

861
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I tell you, the more and

862
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: more I.

863
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: Get, probably a puff Daddy T shirt, also probably with

864
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: his face on.

865
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Howard claimed that during his first alleged freak off

866
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: did he told Cassie to skip a song that was

867
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: playing by Tupac. He also alleged that he spent every

868
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: March ninth with Cassie.

869
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: And Ditty, Get that crap out of here.

870
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: And then that guy died, the one that created the

871
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: playlist foul play disappeared.

872
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: He also alleged that he spent every March ninth with

873
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Cassie and Diddy, which he believes was a way to

874
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: commemorate the death of the notorious Big so Big was

875
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: murdered on March ninth, so apparently they always had like

876
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: a freak off in his honor on March ninthpect I

877
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: mean as you should, right, yeah, Ring to Howard, Diddy's

878
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: abusive cycle with Cassie became routine at their freak offs.

879
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Every time she got assaulted, she would run out, but

880
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: she would always come back after disappearing for thirty minutes

881
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: or forty five minutes. Howard recalls that Cassie would return

882
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: like absolutely nothing had happened. Another moment, he describes, they

883
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: started arguing and he punched her dead in the chest.

884
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: She flew across the room. I said, holy shit. Howard's

885
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: most disturbing recollection occurred in Miami during a sexual encounter.

886
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: He says he was hired to participate and I was

887
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: having sex with her when Combs gets jealous. According to him,

888
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Combs runs and jumps on top of her and then

889
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: started having sex with her. I don't know. It just

890
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: sounds like I don't know why this guy wanted well,

891
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: and this guy that was involved with for eight years,

892
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: oh you should be castrated, y his punishment for eight years.

893
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: This guy is involved in this and he sees this.

894
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: He must be getting paid some.

895
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: To continue to be in the contract in places get paid.

896
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's paying those sex workers. I don't think

897
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: he misses those payments. Doesn't He doesn't pay his like

898
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: other people, like.

899
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: His producers don't cut those corners.

900
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: But he definitely pays his sex workers.

901
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: I have a question, Yes, might be out of place,

902
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: but do you think Sting regrets and performing. Holy God,

903
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: because Sting I think is squeaky clean, right, Yeah, I mean,

904
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: at least in the public eye. You know, he's clean,

905
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: So you think he's been at a freak cough.

906
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't know there's a Sting video of staying at

907
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: a freak off.

908
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

909
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know either, But I thought the same thing

910
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: when they showed that footage of that MTV award or

911
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: wherever it was where he performed that, and they show

912
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Sting standing there on the stage singing, and then you know,

913
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Diddy's jumping around in his white outphit and he's doing

914
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: all those crazy dance moves. I thought the same thing.

915
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: I thought. I wonder if Sting watches that now and thinks, man,

916
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: I should have turned that one down. Yeah, Howard, this

917
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: is the sex worker claim. His claims match up with

918
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Cassie's testimonies of these freak offs. An NBC News article

919
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: reported from the Ditty trials said much of what Cassie

920
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: testified to was graphic, from the sex acts with male

921
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: escorts to the violence, including the fights with combs that

922
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: left her covered in is. I don't know. It was

923
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: sad to hear about that again. But again, you know,

924
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: he also he didn't this sex worker I don't believe

925
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: testified in the trial at all, which I feel like

926
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: maybe he should have. It seemed like he had some

927
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: very in depth knowledge, he was there.

928
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: For years of knowledge.

929
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why he wasn't subpoena. But again, you know,

930
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: it goes back to where he talks about how all

931
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: these horrible things would happen to Cassie, but then she

932
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: would continue to come back and acted like nothing happened.

933
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: And again, I do believe that's why he was not

934
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: convicted of those higher charges because the jury it was

935
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: hard for them.

936
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: The story that they were told or the story that

937
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 2: they believed was she was a well.

938
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: It's hard to establish that she was coerced when she

939
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: comes back.

940
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that's she kept coming back because she

941
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: was coerced.

942
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: I know, I get it, but I think there were

943
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: times where she could have well, I don't know the

944
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: time she tried to leave the hotel.

945
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer that people can be trapped and

946
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: it's not easy to just get up and leave.

947
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Saying from a jury standpoint, it was hard to establish

948
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Rico and the other sexual charges because of the coercion,

949
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: and then I think a lot of the jurors felt

950
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: like it was a two way street, like she kept returning.

951
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: So the jurors that were interviewed in this docuseries, they

952
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: interviewed two of the jurors from the Ditty trial. In

953
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the docuseries, two jurors talked about the trial and verdict,

954
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: with Juror seventy five saying he believes one hundred percent

955
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: that justice was served. When discussing Ditty and Cassie's relationship,

956
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: he called them overly in love and was confused by

957
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: how quickly the couple seemed to reconcile. The very next day,

958
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: They're getting back together and exchanging text messages like nothing

959
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: ever happened. So that was, you know what I was saying.

960
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: When asked by a producer if Combs was a violent person,

961
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: Juror one sixty replied, based on that intercontinental video, he

962
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: can be unforgivable. Honestly, you can't beat that small girl

963
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: like that the way he did, but domestic violence wasn't

964
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: one of the charges. Juror one sixty identified her self

965
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: as someone from that generation who basically grew up listening

966
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: to the music that he was involved, and you could

967
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: tell she was a fan. I think they put I

968
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: think they pulled those two jurors and they interviewed them

969
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: for the docu series. Because the one man had no

970
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: idea who Sean Combs was. You could tell he was

971
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He didn't listen to music in that genre.

972
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: He had no idea who he was. You know. He

973
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: said that he could like he had trouble convicting him

974
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: of the higher charges because he felt like they just

975
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: reconciled quickly, and she always came back and he made sense,

976
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: like I felt like he was explained. He explained himself. Well,

977
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: then the other juror, she was a super fan. There

978
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: was no doubt about that. She had listened to the music.

979
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: She knew all the band. She was like, I knew

980
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: this band and this band and all these bands that

981
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: he created. So after the documentary aired, there was a

982
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: photo of a woman with Diddy from years ago that

983
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: went viral, with many people mistakingly identifying her as Juror

984
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: one sixty and accusing the juror of lying about not

985
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: being a fan. But now a woman named Winter Mitchell

986
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Roorb has spoken out and said that she is actually

987
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: the woman in the photo with Ditty and not the

988
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: juror in question. She wrote on X I am not

989
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: the juror. Wow, so we know that she wasn't the

990
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: woman in the photo. However, I do stand.

991
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: By her being a superfan, her being a superfan.

992
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: I think that she was a superfan. I think that

993
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: she was obsessed with Ditty. I think that she was

994
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: a super fan from when she was young. She loved

995
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: the music, all the band, she watched it all. And

996
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you get an impartial juror jury

997
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: when you have someone on.

998
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: The jury like that, so unlikely.

999
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: Then, lastly, let's just talk about Capricorn Clark. That she

1000
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: was Ditty's assistant for many many years, former assistant, and

1001
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: she also testified in the trial. Capricorn Clark, who started

1002
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: as Ditty's assistant before becoming the global brand director for

1003
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Bad Boy Entertainment, claims that Ditty threatened her with death

1004
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: on her first day of the job and later kidnapped

1005
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: her a gunpoint to join him in an effort to

1006
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: kill rapper Kid Cutty. Now we talked about this in

1007
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: earlier episodes. If you remember kid Cutty, he was having

1008
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: an affair I guess with Cassie.

1009
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: Is that the one that was that blew up?

1010
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then then so allegedly P Diddy went to

1011
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: Capricorn's house, grabbed her by a gun, put her in

1012
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: the car. They drove to Kid Cuddies. Kid Cutty wasn't there.

1013
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: I guess he said his porche on fire allegedly broke

1014
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: into his house. And then this jury that I was

1015
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: talking about that was the superfan said that she didn't

1016
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: find any of that believable, and I'm thinking, how how

1017
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: do you? How have you sat in this on this

1018
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: jury for all these weeks and listened to all this

1019
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: testimony and saw the video, but then said, you know what,

1020
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: There's no way that man did that because.

1021
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: She was just staring at him the whole time.

1022
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Capricorn Clark worked for Ditty in the early stages

1023
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: of his career and saw him and his brand evolved

1024
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: in real time. She drew an interesting analogy in the

1025
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: docu saries to describe him, which speaks on feeding the

1026
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: two wolves. I actually really liked this. I thought this

1027
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: was really intelligent when she said this, and it really

1028
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: spoke to me. Have you ever heard that analogy of

1029
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: the two wolves it's actually a Native American it comes

1030
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: from Native American mythology or something, but it's an The

1031
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: story goes an elder tells his grandson about two wolves

1032
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: fighting inside him, one representing goodness, which is love, empathy, courage, joy,

1033
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: et cetera, and the other wolf representing evil, which is anger, greed, fear, jealousy.

1034
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: The grandson asks which wolf wins at the fight, and

1035
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: the elder replies, the one you feed. I thought that

1036
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: was really interesting, and so she makes that analogy because

1037
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: she says that she feels like when she was his

1038
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: assistant and the people that were around him at that time,

1039
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: they knew that there were the two wolves struggling, but

1040
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: she says that she felt like they did. They were

1041
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: trying to feed the good wolf, and that's why that's

1042
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: when he was progressing. And that's when I guess, I

1043
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think she feels like they were

1044
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: working towards feeding the good wolf to keep him on

1045
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. But then once she was gone

1046
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: and other people were involved in his life and he

1047
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: was surrounding himself with other people, those other people were

1048
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: the bad wolf, and that's when you just got an

1049
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: I like that analogy feeding. Oh my gosh, well, I

1050
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: really thought about that when I read this, because I

1051
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: really love this analogy, and I.

1052
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: Thought, I gotta come, are you feeding well?

1053
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: I feed both at times. I think we all do, right,

1054
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: But the point okay, because you're perfect, But I think

1055
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: the point is you said it is to focus on

1056
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: feeding the good wolf. Right. It's to not give in

1057
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: to fear and insecurity and ask.

1058
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: What peaceful warriors? The battles I fight are the ones

1059
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: on the inside on the outside.

1060
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I like my wolf analogy, you like peaceful warrior.

1061
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: But I think my takeaway from that was to wake

1062
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: up every day and feed the good wolf. So we

1063
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: will end that. We will end that episode on feeding

1064
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: the good wolf. That's our advice to all of our

1065
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: listeners out there is to wake up every day, look

1066
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and feed the good wolf. Because nobody

1067
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: wants to be like p.

1068
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: Diddy, So don't be a diddy, don't be a ditty.

1069
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you guys so much for listening. We

1070
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And again we're on our own feed called

1071
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Speaker 1: legally Brunette, so please make sure that you follow us

1072
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1073
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,520
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1074
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Speaker 1: the episodes or any cases that you think are interesting,

1075
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: I love to read what you guys suggest and also

1076
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: your feedback on our podcast. So thank you so much

1077
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: for listening. We really appreciate you.

1078
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Speaker 2: Thank you,