1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ, Bucky here with Move the Sticks. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: It is a crazy, crazy, frenzied time right now obviously 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: in the world on on the on the important scale, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: but in football it's been a it's been a wild 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: ride over the last couple of days. Buck and we have, 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: um a lot of things we're gonna cover today as 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: we're recording this. Tom Brady is it's been announced he's 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: not going to be coming back to the New England Patriots. UM, 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: So we are going to do the podcast right now, 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: not knowing where Tom Brady is gonna go, We're gonna 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: get this out to you where we cover a lot 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: of different topics, UM. And then once the Brady decision 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: comes down, we're gonna we're gonna produce another podcast just 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: on where Brady goes, what that means for his new 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: team as well as in New England Patriots where they 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: go from there to be a brief podcast, but we'll 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: do our best to get that one out to you 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: as soon as possible as well. But there's a lot 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: to get to with what we already know around the 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: league right now. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy to stuff that 22 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: this transpired in the league. I feel like it's just 23 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: an ongoing, uh circus, just like so many moves, so 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: many things happening, Guys going, people using the trade vehicles 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to upgrade their teams, and then finally getting word today 26 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: of some guys that on the trade blocks, some guys 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: that are signing for deals. Uh, this has been Banana's 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. Well, let's start rolling through some 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: of these other moves here, because we've got a bunch 30 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about here. I mean, as we're talking, 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, deals just continue to come down, one after 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: another after another. But why don't we jump in here 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: first bucket and talk about some of the quarterback stuff. Uh, really, 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit before we started recording, let's start 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: with the Cam Newton news. Um, it does look like 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: that's going to be a friendly ending there, but it 37 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: is definitely an ending. Yeah, DJ, I think ultimately, like 38 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: the team made a business decision to move on from 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Cam Newton. They have given in permission to seek out 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: a trade. Uh. This obviously means that when you look 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: at the timing of it, they've been in negotiations obviously 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: with some quarterback and they feel like they're close to 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: get the deal during which is why they would then 44 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: allow Cam Newton to shop his services to other teams. 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I feel like this is something that we expected to happen. 46 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: When they say that Cam would come back, it was 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise, but now we kind of 48 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: know they were trying to protect themselves to make sure 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that they get the quarterback that they want before they 50 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: move on from the long term starter. Um. That really 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: helped the franchise get the Super Bowl prommise. Yeah, I mean, 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see what his next move is. UM. 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: I had a tough time coming up with teams buck 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: that I think would be in on Cam Newton. I saw, Uh, 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, one that was mentioned was the Washington Redskins. 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: Obviously familiarity there with Ron Rivera, uh with with coach Turner. 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: There is the offensive coordinator who's got you know, had 58 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: a really good run to start the team season. So 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: that one, I guess makes some sense. So do any 60 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: of the teams that stand out here with him. Man, 61 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that one really makes sense, 62 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: because what you have is you've got a young starting 63 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: quarterback in Dwayne Haskins, Um, if you bring Cam in there, 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: like if you have any sense that, uh, Dwayne is 65 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: going to be your guy, you only stunt his growth 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: by having Cam there and then and actually only what 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: does Ron Rivera really think about Cam as a starting quarterback? Uh? 68 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: He and Scott Turner they've embarked on this new mission 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: in Washington, do they see Cam as being an upgrade 70 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: or somewhere that they could kind of build the franchise 71 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: around as they're trying to change the culture there. When 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: I really surveyed the landscape, DJ, I don't see a 73 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: really good landing spot for Cam. I know in the past, 74 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Chicago had been mentioned as a possible destination, but when 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: you get outside of that without knowing his health status, 76 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone could say that, hey, there's 77 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: a starting job waiting for Cam Newton elsewhere, because no 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: one knows. And I also don't know how many offensive 79 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: coordinators are willing to take on that project to get 80 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Cam back to playing at a Pro Bowl level. Yeah, 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I mean I definitely think it's uh, um, it's difficult 82 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: to come up with a team. So we'll see what 83 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: happens there with him as we're doing this, I mean, Buck, 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just kind of scrolling through Twitter as 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: we're recording, and it looks like, uh, Teddy Bridgewater and 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the Panthers are close on a three year contract. So um, 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: that to me is is an interesting fit. They're gonna 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: move on from Cam Newton and then Teddy Bridgewater comes 89 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: in there, and I would not be shocked if they 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: use their their first round pick, number seven overall on 91 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback as well. But to me, it's kind of 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: a new start here and it looks like Teddy Bridgewater 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: is gonna be that guy. So DJ, if you go 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: back and you connect the dots, um, there are a 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: couple of things to unpack it when you talk about 96 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: the Panthers and Teddy Bridgewater. Obviously, Joe Brady is the 97 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. Joe Brady spend time with the New 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints as an offensive assistant basically, and talking to 99 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: people from the Saints, they say that when you look 100 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: at l s u s offense, Joe Brady was basically 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: using a scale down version of what the Saints have 102 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: done for years their base plays to really dominate the 103 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: college game. Well, that a Joe Brady has been elevated 104 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: to being an NFL offensive coordinator. Why not reach back 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: to New Orleans get Teddy Bridgewater who knows not only 106 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: the base level offensive stuff, but he can bring some 107 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: of the new innovations and new variations that they've added 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: since Joe Brady departed to me, it makes sense. The 109 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: only thing that I would worry about if I'm Teddy 110 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: Bridgewater is how long is my leash on this starting job? 111 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: Because if they do what we're speculating, Hey, they're going 112 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the first round, you know, 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: the clock starts as soon as they draft the kid. 114 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: So if I'm Teddy Bridgewater, is this the most stable 115 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: and secure situation that I could be in? And can 116 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: I get enough money to make me feel okay with 117 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: what could happen in a year or two if they 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: do decide to use me as a bridge quarterback and transition. 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: I would think that the Patriots, if the Patriots are 120 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: in play, would be a little better deal, just in 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: terms of the way that team has been constructed and 122 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: the way to build Belichick is uh treated quarterbacks previously, 123 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: but hey, when you got sixty million on the table, 124 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: Depending on the amount of guarantees that are in there. 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: I can't fallow teddy Bridge what have for taking a 126 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: big deal? Yeah? No, I think it's interesting and I 127 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: think it's also fascinating. You're inside this division here, um, 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: with the Saints kind of having to make their decision 129 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: of what they wanted to do going forward, and now 130 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Teddy Bridgewater playing for a division rival. 131 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fun to watch as that all unfolds. Buck, 132 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: we could go through a bunch more quarterbacks stuff here, 133 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I don't think there's really much to say there. 134 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: We expected that, Um, he's back with the Saints. Um. 135 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: I expect probably by the time folks are listening to this, 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: that the Philip Rivers deal will be done um with 137 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. So that takes another one off 138 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: the market. Um. But when we look at the wide 139 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: receiver position, Buck, I mean, try and make sense of this. 140 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: When you look at the trades for DeAndre Hopkins and 141 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: then you look at at the trade what happened with 142 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills acquirings to find digs trying to sort 143 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: out the difference in compensation. There is a is a 144 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: man it's a mind blowing difference between the two what 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: they were able to bring. Look, man, it's it's it's 146 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: it's a difference. But DJ, we've talked about this. When 147 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: we're building a team in an organization. There's a reason 148 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: why teams have general managers and head coaches, and they're 149 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: typically not the same person. Ideally, you want to think 150 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: about building this like branches of the government. You want 151 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: to have a check and balance this system. Ultimately, someone 152 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: has the final say, but what you would like in 153 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: the front office is to have a general manager who 154 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: can challenge the head coach and vice versa. I've always 155 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: felt head coaches think about the here and now, what 156 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: can we do for the team today, maybe tomorrow. The 157 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: general manager is supposed to think about the long term 158 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: viability of the franchise. How can we have a long sustained, 159 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: successful run um where we can compete for titles, And 160 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: sometimes that might mean um taking a step back or 161 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: not making a move, whereas head coaches. Because a lot 162 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: of head coaches are a little more emotional and reactive, 163 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: they have a tendensee to kind of get in their 164 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: feelings and sometimes that can be the driving force of 165 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: the moves that they make. I felt like in Houston, 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: whatever the situation was with Bill O'Brien and DeAndre Hopkins, 167 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: it was at a point where he felt the need 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: to make a move and wanted to make the move 169 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: right now, whereas I think a general manager would have 170 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: played it out a little slower and tried to really 171 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: build up that market before they made the move. Buck. 172 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's interesting when you look at the compensation, 173 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean for the two players, and you look at 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: at Hopkins what he was able to get in a return. 175 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: I think you asked anybody around the league, you say 176 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: he's a top five wide receiver. But you chade DeAndre 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Hopkins and a fourth round pick, you get David Johnson 178 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: and his big contractor running back has not been the 179 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: samee who the Cardinals are looking to get rid of. 180 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: So you're gonna take on that contract, uh, And then 181 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you get a second round pick this year and a 182 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: fourth round pick next year. So that's what you get 183 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: for Hopkins. And then you look at what the Vikings 184 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: were able to do in their move. Um they send 185 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, they get a one of five or six, 186 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: and in a four from the dig for for Diggs. 187 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: They also include a seventh round pick with Diggs, but 188 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Buck to not get a one for Hopkins at least 189 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: a back end on something. Uh, that was shocking to me. 190 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean it it is shocking. But we've we've seen 191 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Bill o'brann kind of do a handful of these deals, 192 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: and you understand that DJ like is there's an experience 193 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: and a wisdom that comes with kind of thriving in 194 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: the general manager role. And when you're a head coach 195 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and so many of your obligations are getting the team 196 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: ready to play and dealing with um things that are 197 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: related to on field action, you don't have the ability 198 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: to understand fully how to execute personnel moves, how to 199 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: weigh and play the trade game and all of those things. 200 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: And what you're seeing in that aspect, you saw an 201 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: experienced general manager take advantage of an inexperienced personnel man. 202 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Steve com played played it out. He was able to 203 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: dump a player that they really didn't have any use 204 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: for and get back a big time player while without 205 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: having to get up a top pick. I mean, it 206 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: is just a classic case of an experienced guy taking 207 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: advantage of someone who doesn't fully understand what they're doing. 208 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: And that's why I said yesterday when this all went down, 209 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: as this is exciting for Kyler Murray, not just because 210 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get with DeAndre Hopkins in this offense, 211 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: with DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Kirk and Larry Fitzgerald, UM, 212 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: and also Kenyan Drake who they're gonna keep, who can 213 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: really get involved in the passing game as well out 214 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: of the backfield. But this frees them up. Now they 215 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: can take a tackle with the eighth overall pick they 216 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: resigned d J Humphrey. So the hope is you get 217 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: this offensive line in good shape, you're gonna be able 218 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: to get more guys out into the route, which is 219 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: gonna give him more options, and especially when you have 220 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: somebody like Hopkins, it's gonna demand its. So you're gonna 221 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: have more options out in the route. But Bucket's gonna 222 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: spread the field and give him more room. So when 223 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: he wants to run. I think Elon ran for about 224 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: five yards last year. Um. Somebody ran for over a 225 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: thousand in Oklahoma, UM. So I think this is gonna 226 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: give him more opportunities in the run game. And as 227 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: we've seen, he's very good at protecting himself once he 228 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: gets into the open field. Look, I mean, I mean 229 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: it's it's It's one of those things where, uh, you're 230 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to build strength on strength. And with Cliff Kingsbury 231 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: being an offensive mind, a guy who showed that he 232 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: could put together in NFL offense last year during his 233 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: first year as a head coach in the league, Cala Murray, 234 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: you talked about Kenyan Drake and Lear Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk, 235 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. You now have an opportunity in this division 236 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: where we can say the l A Rams are coming 237 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: back to the pack. Um, we can say that the 238 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks are always there, but maybe the Arizona Cardinals 239 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: make some ground up on the Seattle Seahawks and putting 240 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: themselves in a position where maybe they can't compete. Um. 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Uh to be a nine the seven tennesse six team 242 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: if everything goes their way. UM, it's just really interesting 243 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: to see how that has been put together because if 244 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: they get this offense Roland, Uh, they could have one 245 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: of the more explosive offense is not only in the division, 246 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: but in the NFC. What do you think about this? 247 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: From the Vikings perspective with Stefon Diggs and and actually 248 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: even more so the Bill's perspective of them making a 249 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: run giving up a first round pick for Stefon Diggs. 250 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: I like Stefon Diggs as a player. I think he's 251 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: a crafty route run one of the best route runners 252 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: in the league. UM I can't understand why the Minnesota 253 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Vikings would want to move on from him. There were 254 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: issues that you saw pop up on social media where 255 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: he kind of voices this pleasure. He has a little 256 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: bit of the um why receiver personality, uh, diva like 257 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: personality where it's a lot of high maintenance that you 258 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: have to deal with and navigate through. And also, let's 259 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: be honest, DJ, this draft is one where there's so 260 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: many wide receivers. If you have a good feel for 261 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: how to evaluate and pick receivers, you can find a 262 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: guy that can replace Stefen Dick's production and performance for 263 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. This is a tricky one. I love 264 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: upgrading the wide receiver corps. I think it's important that 265 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: they have the ability to get big plays in the 266 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: passing game. I just wonder if Stefen Diggs is a 267 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: good match for Josh Allen. We talked about building a 268 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: basketball team and Buffalo even building a track team where 269 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: you've got speasters and the like, but you have to 270 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: make sure that your wide receivers can make up for 271 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's deficiencies when it comes to his accuracy and 272 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: his ball placement. I love Stefen, dis He's not a 273 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: big receiver, so it just I just wanted they can 274 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: get another big guy to do some of those things 275 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: that they eventually need done. When you have a quarterback 276 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: like Josh Allen at the hill, yeah, it's all point guards. 277 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean Stefon Diggs six footer. Cole Beasley is not 278 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: a big guy. John Brown not a big guy, So 279 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: there's nobody really to play above the rim um when 280 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: you get down to the red zone specifically there as 281 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: well Buck. So that to me was a little bit interesting. 282 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: But you remember, I think people forget about this. Remember 283 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills had the trade for Antonio Brown before 284 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown whoo poo did um. So that was the 285 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: type of player that they were looking to find. And 286 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Stefan Diggs is as talented as as 287 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, but he's that same type of receiver, he isn't. 288 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: So what they might mean is, remember Brian a Ball 289 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: spend time with the New England Patriots, and a lot 290 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: of the New England Patriots stuff was catching run option routes, 291 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: get it out the quarterback's hands quickly and then let 292 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: those playmakers uh have their way in the open field. 293 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: We saw with the Buffalo Bills. Cole Beasley had a 294 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: very solid season for the Buffalo Bills. And if you 295 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: think about UM rework in this offense where you want 296 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Josh Allen to not only push the ball down the 297 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: field off play action, but to also have some of 298 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: that quick screen, quick isolation route game, some of that 299 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: stuff to it where you empty it out, empty the 300 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: formation Stefan Diggs and Coldbsy would be a headache to defend. Um. 301 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: We just have to continue to see the development and 302 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: the maturation of the quarterback to see if he can 303 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: get his skill set to match the level of the 304 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: playmakers that he has around him. All right, let's get 305 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: to what happened with the with the d tackle situation, 306 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: specifically with the forty niners. They resigned Eric Armstead five 307 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: years eighty five million dollar deal UM and we thought, okay, 308 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep this whole group together. They're investing in 309 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: that defensive line, and then the shocker came. Uh. They 310 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: end up trading to Forrest Buckner to the Indianapolis Colts 311 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: for the thirteenth overall pick, and now Buckner signs a 312 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: new deal there over it's a twenty one million a 313 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: year buck which puts in just behind Aaron Donald. We 314 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: talked about highest BADE defensive tackles in the NFL. So 315 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: UM forty nine is a team that needed some draft picks. 316 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: We talked about the fact that they were absolutely going 317 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: to trade out of the thirty first pick just to 318 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: get some picks. Now they have thirty first pick as 319 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: well as the thirteenth pick, and UM, I actually kind 320 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: of like this trade for both teams. How about you know, 321 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, Chris Ballard and the indian 322 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: Afolis coat like there is something too when we say 323 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: in the acquisition business, UM, knowing the proven player as 324 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: opposed to guessing behind what's what's behind door number one 325 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: or door number two. Uh. The one thing that the 326 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Coast know is they have tangible proof that the 327 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner is a dominant player. We've seen him do it, 328 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: We've seen what system works for him. We have seen 329 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: him play at a high level international football league. Uh, 330 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: sometimes we become so enamorated. And look, you and I 331 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: both come from the college side. It's easy to become 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: enamored with hoarding draft picks and being able to he 333 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: let's make our picks and we're gonna get them, all right, 334 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: But we understand the success rate is really really hard 335 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to leaning on the draft. And so 336 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: I can appreciate Chris Batlett leaning into the trade market 337 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: to get a blue chip player, someone that he knows 338 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: can dominate and dominate for a long time, but also 339 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: can appreciate the San Francisco Fortys wanting to have more 340 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: ammunition to up their team. And this will not be discussed, 341 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: but I think it's something that does factor into it. 342 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: I know DeForest book that was a dominant player, and 343 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: for so long last year we talked about the San 344 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners having uh five number one picks on 345 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: that defensive line. And I'm not saying that Solomon Thomas 346 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: can go and do what the Forest Buckner does or 347 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: that they played the same position, but I do believe 348 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: that when they're looking at their roster and they're looking 349 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: at how they've invested in their D line, I do 350 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: believe the Solomon Thomas factor has to come in because 351 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: somewhere in that room, somebody felt like Solomon Thomas was 352 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: a high end, blue chip player and he just needs 353 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: a chance. Maybe that is why they felt like they 354 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: could move on from DeForest Bucker and maybe find another 355 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: replacement for him, while maybe given Solomon Thomas one more 356 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to get on the field in some way, shape 357 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: or form. And we talked so much about those five 358 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: first rounders Buck, there's some good depth and some really 359 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: good players behind that group too. Um. But when you 360 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: talk about d J. Jones, who's got some ability, Um, 361 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting player there. And I'm looking at 362 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: this draft and the way it could shake out, just 363 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: if you look at the needs. We're gonna see a 364 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: run on the offensive tackles early, We're gonna see those 365 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: quarterbacks go. So is it crazy to think that in 366 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: my opinion, two of the top seven or eight players 367 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: in the draft are are Derek Brown and Javon kin Law. 368 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the possibility. One of 369 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: those guys gets to them. Uh, they're at thirteam And 370 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: now you're talking about being able to replace somebody with 371 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: a you know, on a rookie deal, five years of 372 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: control UM and your defensive line not gonna skip a beat, 373 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: and that's that's the deal. I think. I think that's 374 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: a good thing. DJ. We talked about, UM. Part of 375 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: building the team is being able to have those conversations 376 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: where you bring the pro and college departments together and 377 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: you talk about the strengths and weaknesses of the free 378 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: agent market and of the draft, and being able to 379 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: accurately assess here's where the draft is strong, here's where 380 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: we're looking at. If we're at this pick, what could 381 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: be available? And the name that I think about. You 382 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: talked about Derek Brown, but I'm thinking Javon ken Law 383 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: could be sitting right there for them. UM. We talked 384 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: about in mock drafts and mock drafts or what they are, 385 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: But we talked about ken Lay being mocked to the 386 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but we hadn't had scenarios where we 387 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: saw him going before that. When there you're to San 388 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine, is you're sitting in the prom position 389 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: to get a guy that can, in essence, do what 390 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: the Forest Buckner did, and as you said, to do 391 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: it on a cheap, ricky contract. Um, to be able 392 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: to then take that money that you would have spent 393 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: on Buckner and spread it around to other positions. Look, 394 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: I think it's smart. I think it's a smart play, 395 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's one of those situations where the 396 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine is could have a couple of 397 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: different positions that they target, and hey, if ken Law 398 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: isn't here, let's turn our attention to get in the 399 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: big time white receiver. You know. Um, there's just so 400 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: many options for what the forty Niners need that are available. 401 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: It makes sense to be able to have two bites 402 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: at the apple in the first round. All right, Let's 403 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: talk about a little bit what we've seen in free 404 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: agency and how it impacts the draft, because it is 405 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: it is something we're just talking about here with the 406 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: with the forty Niners and what it does for them. 407 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: But I think it's it's fascinating when you look at 408 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins loading up, they go out and pay 409 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Byron Jones all that money. Um, they go out and 410 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: get Kyle Vanoy. Um. They've been very very aggressive Shack Lawson. 411 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: They've brought in him. Um, so they've addressed a lot 412 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: of spots of you know, Eric Flowers on the offensive line. 413 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: This is not a team that's pointing towards you know, 414 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: tank for Trevor in. This is a team that's trying 415 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: to win right now, which to me points to the 416 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: fact of any talk of them kicking the quarterback thing 417 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: down the road is is moot. This is a team 418 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: that's going to take a quarterback um and makes a 419 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: lot of sense with the fifth pick to do that. 420 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: And we've talked about it, buck uh we you know, 421 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: I do not rule out the fact then taking Herbert 422 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: over to A and when you look at all the 423 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: pieces they have in place to go try and be 424 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: competitive right now, maybe it's a situation where they say, hey, Herbert, 425 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: we can plug it into the lineup and let's get 426 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: going right now. Whereas to A you might be looking 427 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: at a red shirt. Um. I'm not saying that's what 428 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I would do. I know it's not what you would 429 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: do as well, but that would not shock me now, 430 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't shock me. I think it gives them options, 431 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: It gives them options at the quarterback position to do 432 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: what they want to do and to do it how 433 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: they want to do it, whether it's to or Justin 434 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Herbert Um. I think we need to understand that Ryan 435 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick played well enough for them to be very, very competitive. 436 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick also has a relationship with Chan Gailey, and 437 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: depended upon how Chan Gaily views Ryan Fitzpatrick as he 438 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: ages gracefully at the position, maybe it does give them 439 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: a year or two to groom a quarterback to be 440 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the starter. But I absolutely like what the Miami Dolphins 441 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: are doing. And actually I was gonna pitch this out 442 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: to you because we've talked about the old model of 443 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: team building and how everything is about the passing game, 444 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: and so we were ranking prioritize the positions as a quarterback, 445 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: pass rusher, left tackle, cornerback. The Miami Dolphins went out 446 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: and got Byron Jones, made him the highest paid cornerback 447 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: in football a year ago. Either a year or two 448 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: years ago, they signed Xavian Howard to a big time extension. 449 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: They have two high priced corners on the edges. Doesn't 450 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: appear that they have like a marquee pass rusher. But 451 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: when we've seen the New England Patriots in the past. 452 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: The Patriots put their energies and efforts in coverage, not 453 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: pass rush. They believe they can cover you up there 454 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: rushed for and they will win that way. I just 455 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: think Brian Floores is following the model that he learned 456 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: in New England and putting his resources on the perimeter 457 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: so they can play man to man, cover everybody up 458 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: and make like very very difficult for the quarterback to 459 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: find open windows to hit wide receivers. Yeah, and I 460 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: think it also again points to the draft. You talk 461 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: about the New England belief system and how you do that, Well, 462 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: what about the Detroit Lions, who where they're going to 463 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: be picking, even if they were to trade back a 464 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: little bit from the third pick, um, you know they're 465 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: gonna be looking at the defensive tackle like a Derek 466 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: browner Kin Law or is it a linebacker like Isaiah 467 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Simmons or do you just go get the top corner 468 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: and Geoffrey Acuda. And to me, that is another reason 469 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: to kind of to marry up Akuda with a Lions. Yes, 470 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, I mean it's it's really a smart play. 471 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: The Lions typically traditionally haven't operated like that. But when 472 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: you think about uh, Matt Patricia and Brian Floores and 473 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: the New England model, and then you go and you 474 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: look at the next Gen stats and the PFF stats, 475 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: and those teams play man demand more than any other 476 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: team in the National Football League. Well, if you're going 477 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: to play that style, you have to have a stable 478 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: of cornerbacks that are young, athletic and capable of just 479 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: running all over the field. Jeoffrey A. Couta certainly can 480 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: do that. I'm the Detroit Lions. I'm definitely thinking that 481 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: way unless Isaiah Simmons is standing right in the face 482 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: and I can come up with a creative plan to 483 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: unleash him on the second level of the defense. Yeah, 484 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: I mean there's I mean, Buck, there's so many different 485 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: things we can go through. I can't go through each 486 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: and every move. But how about one more here. Robert 487 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: Quinn signed with the Bears to team up with Khalil Mack. 488 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: Robert Quint like very well last year, and we started 489 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: to see him in a good fit for how he 490 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: likes to play with the Dallas Cowboys. You start to 491 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: see that ability that made him such a high pick 492 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: really come out yeah. I mean, look, we saw Robert 493 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Quinn definitely get his game on and we saw him 494 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: begin to kind of flourish. And this is kind of 495 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: a rebirth, a renaissance because he showed people that he 496 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: definitely could still play. And I think sometimes with injuries 497 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: and the like, we we kind of lose sight of 498 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: this was a guy that played at a high level. 499 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: With the Rams, he and Chris Long were able to 500 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: dominate and disrupt and create. Havoc kind of lost his 501 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: way a little bit. Uh in Miami brought it back 502 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. In Dallas, we saw him pop and 503 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: have a double digit sack season, um, and so that 504 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: was terrific. I think the bigger thing is what is 505 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: the lesson to be learned? Because the next move was 506 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: to see the Chicago Bears release Leonard Floyd. And what 507 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: I think was interesting with Leonard Floyd when he was 508 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: coming out, it was kind of a deal where we 509 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: have a tendency to fall in love with the athletic traits. Right, 510 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: we see the size, we see the speed, and we 511 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: I won't say ignore the production, but we don't necessarily 512 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: give the production in terms of the sack production what 513 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: it should be factored into the equation when we're speculating 514 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: about a guy being a double digit sack artist. His 515 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: last year at Georgia he only had four and a 516 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: half sacks. He has six stacks the years before and 517 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: in six and a half the previous years. So what 518 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about is about seventeen sacks in his career. 519 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes we think guys just pop at the next 520 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: level because they're big, fast and athletic, And I don't 521 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: know if he was necessarily skilled, and so I think 522 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: when we're evaluating the past rusher the edge rusher position, 523 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: we need to make sure that the guys are skilled 524 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: and they have some semblance of a resume that says, hey, 525 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be able to consistently sack the quarterback, 526 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: especially when we're picking them in the top ten, no doubt. Um. 527 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Last thing here with the Raiders signing Corey Littleton, Um 528 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: they've they've signed a couple of linebackers here, which again 529 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: I want to bring this back to the draft. Um, 530 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: they still have a glaring need with receiver, and I 531 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: think it's a good job there with with Mayok and 532 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: Gruden of realizing the strength of this draft. You're picking 533 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: twelve and nineteen, shore up the linebacker position, free yourself 534 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: up a little bit, where um you can go ahead 535 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: and take a phenomenal wide receiver with one of those 536 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: two picks. I mean, I think that's terrific. And I 537 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: think also couple that with the Marcus Mariota hinting, because 538 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: in my mind, I would say, if I'm the Oakland Raiders, 539 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat Marcus Mariota as if it's a draft pick, 540 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: because you're talking about a guy that was taken second. Overall, 541 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: we already know that Mike mayock them. We like we 542 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: know that John Gluten liked him when he was coming out. 543 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: And if they believe that they can fix Marcus Mariota 544 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: and get him unleashed, it then takes them out of 545 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: that quarterback market that has been lightly speculated that maybe 546 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: Jordan Love would be a player, And now it's just 547 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: about acquiring playmakers lu ship players that can enhance and 548 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: upgrade the team on both sides of the ball. Whether 549 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: that's a wide receiver, whether that's a corner, whether that's 550 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: the second level defender. It just enables them to take 551 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: the best player available and put him wherever they need 552 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: to put him to upgrade the team. Yeah, it has 553 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: been a wild wild ride. A couple of the things 554 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: here and I talked about it a long time ago 555 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: about the Browns. We're gonna sign Jack Conklin that ended 556 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: up getting done. I still think they're a really good 557 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: chance they end up taking a tackle with their first 558 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: round pick at number ten. Overall, that would not surprise 559 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: me to see them double up there. The Jets uh 560 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: signed George Fan who's not a sexy name, but the 561 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: real athletic and is gonna, you know, be a tackle 562 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: for them and their zone scheme. They're gonna run a 563 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: lot more zone scheme stuff this year, so athleticism will 564 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: be featured with him. I still think they're in the 565 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: tackle business going forward, so we'll see what else they 566 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: do building up their team. But man, it has been 567 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: a wild wild ride. Buck. Yeah, it's it's been It's 568 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: been crazy um to watch. And I'm gonna say this, 569 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: in the midst of doing this, you and I still 570 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: have our eyes um cast on the draft and how 571 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: it impacted. I am releasing an updated version of my 572 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: top five. No major changes at the top. Everything kind 573 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: of stayed the same as it relates to the combine. 574 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: But I kind of brought up the point about Leonard 575 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Floyd because one guy that I'm struggling with and I 576 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: know you you feel strongly about him, Calevan Chasing, I've 577 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: had a tough time with in terms of trying to 578 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: figure out where he fits. I have no questions about 579 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: the athleticism, the speed, the burst, and the playmaking ability 580 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: in terms of being able to run and Chase, I 581 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: do have questions about, uh, is he going to be 582 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of that dominant edge rusher. And I know we 583 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: talked about not scouting the helmet, but I have the 584 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: horrors of Barcavis Mingo and Art and Key kind of 585 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: hanging in the background. So I've been very, very slow 586 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: and reluctant to give him a big grade just because 587 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering will he be different than the guys 588 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: that I saw previously at L s U. No. I 589 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: think that's fair. Um, you know, you know, and we've 590 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: talked about this before on the podcast, Like I I think, uh, 591 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's a different player than those 592 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: guys like Art and Key. Has been a health issue 593 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: a good bit with him. Um, you know, Chason has 594 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: had some injuries too, so there is a similarity there. 595 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: I have him as my twenty five overall player. Um, 596 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: I think initially you're gonna be more excited with using 597 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: him on games and stunts and looping him and doing 598 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like that. It's a little bit 599 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: more of an athlete than a polished rusher right now. 600 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: But I thought, as you see him recovering, you know, 601 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: having some time away from his injury towards the end 602 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: of the year, I thought, you really saw him put 603 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: things together. He's you know, Barkiebius Mingo. Couldn't you know? 604 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: He just had no strength, no place strength. I think 605 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: this kid actually holds up at the point of attack 606 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: and he's got some strength. So that's why I'd say 607 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: he's different than those guys. But yeah, I mean, I'm buck. 608 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think, you know, I don't think 609 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: he's a top ten, top fifteen player. But I think 610 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: there's a chance he goes in the top fifteen just 611 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: because of the Russer class and what it is. Oh, 612 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: I absolutely do that. Now, I will say the thing 613 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: that maybe kind of slow it down a little bit, 614 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: because I think he definitely would have skyrocket up the 615 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: charts if he had his pro day at l s 616 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: U and he put ridiculous numbers up. I think now, 617 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: because it's a little more based on the tape, it 618 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 1: may not be the top ten, top fifteen UM status 619 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: that we were thinking about potentially he could rise to. 620 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, look, he's talented. There's no doubt about the talent. 621 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I just think it is just very very hard sometimes 622 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: to like get these what I call pure speed rushers right. 623 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: And I think I'm also scared by, like the way 624 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: that I kind of fell in love with Vic Beasley 625 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: in the process. He had a great year, but for 626 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the majority of his career he didn't pop. And so 627 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: you just like to make sure that guys have a 628 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: little more than just that fastball, that they can hit 629 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: you with something else. No, I hear you, But we're 630 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: gonna have time. This is definitely a free agent heavy 631 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: UM podcast today, but we're gonna start unpacking all this 632 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: stuff as it pertains to the draft. We've got a team, 633 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of teams with new picks now buck with 634 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: all the trades we've seen take place. So uh, if 635 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: you're a Minnesota Viking fan, all of a sudden, now 636 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: you're a little more juiced about this draft. Same if 637 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: you're a San Francisco forty Niner fan, you're a little 638 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: bit more pumped up as well. So it's gonna be 639 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: fun as we marched towards the draft. It's definitely an 640 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: unusual time in the world right now. Um but man, 641 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: it's always good to get together with you Buck and 642 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: just talk some ball. No, man, this is fun. This 643 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: is fun. Like um like, we had a lot of action. 644 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: The league year is upon us. All the action. I 645 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: can't wait. This is what I'm sure there's gonna be 646 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: more before my next podcast have to talk even more 647 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: about all right, Well that's gonna do it for us today. 648 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: I do want to thank special thanks to Nobile and 649 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: our Juna and uh in the big man Mark running 650 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: the show here to figure out a way that we 651 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: could get these podcasts out and delivered to you guys, 652 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: so while everybody is at home during this uh this 653 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: difficult time around the world. So I want to thank 654 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: them for all their hard work. I hope you guys 655 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, and we'll catch you next time. Right here, 656 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: I'll move the sticks