WEBVTT - AI Robot Slaves and other CES Miracles 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.640 Also media. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.520 What's Pippin' my Bops? It could happen here a podcast 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.840 that is sometimes competently introduced, but not on the days 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:14.880 that I'm recording. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:16.600 We're at CEES, the. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.440 Consumer Electronics Show, seeing what the tech industry has in 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.080 mind for all of us. Right, this is a show 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.080 where the industry talks to itself and its investors and 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.040 clients about what the future is going to be. And 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.120 so Garrison Davis and I are going to sit down 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.880 with you and tell, based on our explorations and investigations 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:41.040 this week, what the future of artificial intelligence means for 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.599 all of us and for the world. Garrison, Hi, how 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:44.960 you doing. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:46.000 I'm tired. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.000 Yeah, you look tired. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.720 It's been a long week. It's been a long week 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.920 convention walking. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.480 Yeah, we've worked very hard. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.159 I've talked to too many robots. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.040 Yeah, I've talked to a lot of chatbots. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:56.600 I mean it's a bit of a stretch, is that 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:57.400 we've talked with them. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.160 I've talked to add a lot of chat bots. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.800 Yeah, times they responded, sometimes they don't. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:03.680 I guess one of the things that's kind of shocked 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.680 me is because, like, despite being very critical about AI 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.680 in the industry. I have actually a pretty good idea 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.880 of what these things are capable of. And I know 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.920 that chat GBT and Jim and I and the other 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.240 like they're capable of doing some things that look very impressive. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.440 They are capable of conversations you know, that can be 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.680 fairly in depth, and that can cover a wide variety 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.560 of topics. And so one of the things that has 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.679 surprised me is that as I have gone up and 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.920 tried to communicate with every various chatbot enabled AI enabled product, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.960 about seventy percent of the time it's not actually capable 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.240 of responding to me in a way that makes any sense. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:44.240 Like the majority of those products just don't function. Sorry, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.680 was that literally your AI and your phone yelling at us? 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.960 Case in point, I was trying to pull up one 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.680 of the one of the AI robots that we saw today, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.640 And I guess this is something that we talked about 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.280 on Better Offline a bit. In the main thing this 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.880 year year is the complete, the complete like victory of 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.400 like chat GPT, yeah across not just not just like it's. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.840 Like the cultural victory within the tech industry. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.639 Yes, right, and it's moved into like the physical world 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.400 through like their API license, saying, yeah, so many of 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.000 the quote unquote products this year is building a physical 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.320 thing around chat GPT. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.040 We have a necklace that has chat GPT and you 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.120 can talk to it. We have a pin that chat 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.240 GPT is in and you can talk to it and 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.840 have it do things like transcribe an interview. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:39.919 Earbuds, there's there's earbuds, little robot dot, every everything has 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.040 has chat GPT inside it. And that's the main thing 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.280 that makes it a like uniquer special compared to you know, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.359 the types of products we've seen we've seen before. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.040 And I would say again when I when I say 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.520 that like seventy percent of the chatbot enabled products that 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.600 I tried to interact with could not converse with me 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.880 or could not do so in a functional way. It's 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.160 not because the chatbots aren't able to talk to you, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.840 because they are. Anyone who's not like you can. It's 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.760 that all of the chatbots require an active Internet connection 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.040 because the vast majority of these products do not have 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.919 anything on device, and when you're in a crowded convention floor, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.480 the Internet is bad and so they just don't work. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.320 And it kind of it's one of those I'm sure 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.800 most of these products would work better in the real world, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.520 but also the fact that they're all completely hobbled by 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.120 their access to data is kind of one of the things. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.079 It's one of the seams that you can see here. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.840 Yeah, the LLLM rappers, so LLLM rappers and robotics are 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.360 the big things this year. Often these things. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.880 Are I mean by an LLLM rapper garrison. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:38.760 Well, this is this is the thing that we're talking 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.720 about it it'd say it's that this physical product that's 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.480 built around something like chat GPT or Gemini or Claude 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.360 or a number of like the Chinese made ones, right, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.000 a lot of Chinese companies here. So these physical products, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.120 whether those are you headphones, earbuds, or in many cases 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.920 little tiny robots whose main main features that you can 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.640 talk to can talk to it and what you're actually 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.000 talking to is like a filtered version of chat GPT. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.120 And there's a lot of these products for kids that 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.720 we've seen, like robots for kids, because there's a lot 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.880 a lot of robotics this year as well. That these 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.720 these are the two things that after years and years 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.800 of them trying to find a new thing for each 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.320 cees they've like settled on not not actually having anything 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.720 of robotics, not having anything new because like we've we've 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.640 seen robotics before at other years, and this is the 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.800 year that they're combining their physical robotics, which aren't new, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.800 but combining them with chat GPT and presenting it as 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:33.640 a new product. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.760 Look, now you can intelligence robot and they can't do 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.960 more tasks than it used to, Like we're still doing 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.920 really good if it can slowly and not very competently 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.440 fold laundry. Oh right, Like LG's Kloyd Kloyd, which is 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.800 a robot designed to be in your home and do 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.200 chores for you and visibly does not do them well. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.280 We watched it now. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.839 Where they're presumably it's presumably working better than it normally 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.159 does because it's a demo. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.560 I went to the first Cloyd Cloyd demo and they 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.960 had like three three different setups for the different stories 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.839 for like different use cases for Cloyd, once with ones 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.359 with a family, ones with like a single guy, and 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.840 ones with like a like a middle aged woman. And 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.479 with the family, the robots able to find keys that 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.599 are lost. Notably, what that means is that Cloyd is 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.039 moving keys around the house, which might actually contribute to 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:31.120 the problem of your keys somewhere else. The robot could 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.599 put a tray of croissants in an oven and the 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.800 robot knows it, and the robot knows exactly how you 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.920 want your croissants done. You don't even have to tell 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.960 the robot. It already knows. And that's something that was 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.200 stressed the power of ail and over again is that 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:46.920 it will it will start to like know what you 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.120 want is so you wan't need to tell a memory. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.400 So many of these products, with the big sell ones, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.599 it's got a memory, and it has a rant. They 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.760 can't stop themselves. And I think some of this was 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.880 like the actual companies and the way that they're structuring 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.320 a campaigns. But a lot of this was just most 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.640 of the companies here hire pr people who don't regularly 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.760 work for the company and don't know much about the products, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.599 and they're just there to demo stuff. And some of 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.880 it is those people just defaulting too well. They're talking 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.080 about how this thing like like remembers and knows you, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.720 so I'll talk about how it like it has a personality, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.719 it has memories, it has experienced, it has core memories, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.320 you know, it has preferences and like a personality, it 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.520 wants things. I talked to a couple of different people 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.760 at booths who like that was the thing they were emphasizing, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.240 is that, like, this is an AI that like feels 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.599 and gets to know you and has a relationship with you. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.119 And it's very number one not what they would want 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.279 publicly because that's crazy and none of the products actually 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.400 work that way. But the attempt to convince people that, like, 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.720 what we have done is create a robot that lives 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.280 in your home and does chores and it can think 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:51.880 and feel. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.120 And anytime you say, like, well, is there you just 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.000 saying you built. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.920 A slave, Like are you saying, well, there's thinking sentient 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.760 robots that you have lived in your house and do 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:02.560 your laundry. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:04.600 Isn't that a slave? 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.239 And it's not, actually, because the robot doesn't not actually, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.480 but what they were saying was true, it would be 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.040 a problem, right, really. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.800 Oh, if you get introduce yourself hoever youone introduced. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.000 Oh, I'm Ben Ben Rose Porter, I am an academic, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.080 I'm a sociologist at Kearney. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.720 And you have accompanied us through the wonderful world of 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.239 Las Vegas and cees this year. I always like bringing 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.640 people to witness the beautiful world. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.560 Yeah, I've been brought to this place very far from god, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.920 Las Vegas and the Tech Convention Center. There is this 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.080 moment where we were walking through and it was the 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.040 the the Amy Bot for kids. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.680 Which me and Robertsau last year, that the little like 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.080 oval owl looking robot. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.240 Yeah yeah, and they had this She's got to be 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.320 an actress and she was doing like a little skit 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.800 with the the Amy Bot where it was like it 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.120 was like the Amy about birthday or something, and she 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.960 was like very clearly having this this very produced. It 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.200 reminded me exactly of how like Cheap telea novella's like 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.600 actors talk where she is just like wow, I mean, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.160 you've really gotten to know me over the years. And 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.800 it was bizarre in that one the selling point of 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.840 the robot was I think they said, turning data into empathy. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.560 Yes, it's able to turn data into empathy. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.400 Which God knows what that means, but also that like, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.920 so clearly the robot turns data into empathy, but also 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.320 we cannot show you the robot doing anything concretely, so 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.160 we will have a person like it was just this 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.520 very one sided like skit where this person was doing 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.640 this really overly emotional like back and forth of the robot, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.800 where the robot would just respond with like the bare 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.199 minimum like phrases, and so like what they're selling is 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.760 is questionable if anyone wants it, and all speculative, it's 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.440 all none of it can actually be presented. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.200 It's all like the potential to do this, and then 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.880 and then even the way. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.880 That they're actually showing that is mostly just cheap tricks. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.880 There's another booth where they had the sex robots, and 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.440 I was just it was shocking because the stand like 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.480 you're at this convention, you've presumably you know, gone through 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.559 a lot to get here, and you're the image you're 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.680 putting forward of your robot that you know you're selling 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.239 as the sex robot. It's like this cheap AI image, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.200 not even one of the good ones, like that they 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.000 are like clear artifacts and very weird lines and things, 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.559 and that you could google an anime jpeg and get 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.480 a better image for this. So just even the smoke 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:39.800 and mirrors of it was cheap. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.640 Yeah, that was that Love Ants is the Sex Robot booth, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.400 And yeah, they had two products. One was like just 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.880 like you know silicon like realistic human skin sex robot, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.280 which is similar to like you know, those horrifying sex dolls, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.240 except now we have an LM inside. It's another one 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.400 of those LM rappers, except it's wrapped around a redheaded woman. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.680 Garrison. I find that very offensive. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.440 It's actually some people are just they're not capable of 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.960 talking to women or other human beings of any kind. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.079 Yeah, people with ADHD. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.560 It's actually a disability where people can't know other people 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.640 and can only have sexual gratification. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:13.960 Through a creepy robot. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.200 I apologize for my respect for my on air ableism. Yeah, 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.120 but no again. This is the year of l M rappers, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.079 and now they're putting it, putting it in a sexpod, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.839 which is more unnerving between than a regular sex doll, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.040 because a regular sex doll, you kind of know it's 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.400 an object. Like it's it's not trying to be much 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:32.839 more than an object. It can't you can't you could 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.120 you put in positions, but it's it's static. Yeah, this 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.040 because this thing tries to kind of engage with you. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.880 It activates my uncanny Valley response way more because it's 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.840 like it's kind of trying to pretend to be a person, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.520 and like, I could not look at the thing for 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.640 very long. So they just like started like I just 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.800 felt bad. Yeah, and some of that's probably my latent Protestantism, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.320 but it's I just feel I just felt bad. But 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.880 the other product they had, like around the corner was 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.880 this was this like you know, anime style like like Avatar, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.240 which was which is on like a screen that you 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.520 can talk to and it's synced up to like a 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.480 jack Off robot, right, so you can you can engage 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:11.800 with this. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:12.720 Finally, you can. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.679 Engage with this like this like blonde blonde hair, blue 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.520 eyed anime woman as it's as it connects to like 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.560 a little a little like jackof machine. And that was there. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.360 That was the other product which did not work because 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.200 there was no Wi Fi in the Venetian Yeah, so 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.640 we could we could not see it, but the Jackoff 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:29.800 machine was still going strong. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.360 Yeah, so you could say, I guess that, like, well, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.120 obviously there's there's fundamental issues with like having Wi Fi 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.360 be decent. When you've got seventy thousand people like all 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.440 cramming themselves into a room, of course, that's going to 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.000 cause problems that the chatbots and the devices using them 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.160 are actually capable of more they should. They're more impressive 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.400 than you giving credit for just because the WiFi didn't work. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.960 But also if all your builds is a shell that 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.880 without the Internet and access to someone else's chatbot, it's useless. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:56.960 It doesn't do anything. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.000 This is the big people I haven't really made a 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.319 product acts are going to brick as soon as soon 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.120 as as soon as chat GPT raises its API costs, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.080 they're going to do one of two things. They're either 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.400 going to stop working or they're going to move their 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.559 chatbot provider to a different one that's going to behave differently, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.000 and then it's fundamentally a different. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.960 And that's why periodically I would run into someone where 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.080 it's like everything that we do is on device and everything, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.200 and even the ones that were still because almost you 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.360 almost have to say that whatever you're doing is AI 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.319 and stuff like. There was a company that I came 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.439 across because of their name because I just saw the 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.520 name trans Ai and I was like, well, I gotta 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:32.160 go see what that is. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:33.280 I did see that, and it's. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.040 Simply I believe they're a Korean company, but it's it's 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.240 just a company that makes like a translator, right, and 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.800 they make it specifically. It's like the size of a 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.800 smaller smartphone. It looks kind of like a smartphone and 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.480 you set it down and it will on device. It 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.800 does not touch the cloud at all for any reason. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.600 It can translate, so if you want to have a 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.920 conversation with someone in a foreign language, it can like 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.000 like live translate for you both. And also it will 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.160 transcribe whatever conversations you're happening. And they were like, yeah, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.360 this is for people who want to transcribe. No have 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.640 been there at college. It's for people who are doing interviews, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.800 journalists and stuff. So and it was a really good 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.880 It seemed to be a good product. I've not gotten 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.800 to test it outside of the show floor I saw. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:09.600 I saw a few of these. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.079 One of the big differences I saw between like the 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.120 few there were like two or three or four booths 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.760 that we saw where the product. I was like, I 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.520 had a positive. I was like I walked away with 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:24.920 some mildly positive. Was that almost everything else talk about 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.400 like the sort of insatiability of capital is that it 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.280 has to sell. The sex doll was a perfect example 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.960 of this in that you know, if you make a 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.200 sex doll and you put the chat GPT inside of 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.280 it and then you sell it as this is a 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.640 sex doll. It's an object you find, but now you 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.360 can like you could have sexy conversation with Its still 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.119 an object, but like you know, that's fun for some people. 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.720 Thing that people didn't have, and it is new. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.200 Yeah, and it's a phenomena you could clearly show off. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.280 It's like, oh you can, you know, now the sex 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.480 doll can like say your name and stuff. But almost 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.719 all of the boot that we're selling some kind of aiproduct. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.320 It was like, we have to sell the opportunity to 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.720 like transcend like your mortal shell and become a part 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.480 of the cosmos itself. Like the SEXTL was literally sitting 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.960 in this corner talking to no one and saying stuff 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.280 like I'm about emotional intelligence and building a connection, getting 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.160 to know you and reaching into your soul. And it's 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.240 like it clearly cannot do this. And the few products 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.880 that were good were the ones where the people showing 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.000 it were just able to like just put that aside 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.680 and just say here's what the product. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:35.440 Does, right, here's what it can do. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.040 Concrete and that has become my baseline first question, which 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.760 is like, have you done anything with your product? And 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.840 if all that you've done is we invented a new 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.320 device that didn't previously have a chatbot that it connects 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.080 to through data that someone else built, you didn't do 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.960 anything that's not a product, that's not real. So kind 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.000 of my first my filter was like, is there anything 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.800 here beyond another way to interact with a completely different 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.120 p that you didn't make. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.480 To go back to like the AI note taking devices, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.040 which I saw a few where there's a Lindon and 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.160 it will take notes for you. I saw like a 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:19.920 lot of these, like marketed to like a college student. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.480 And it's the thing that it is a thing that 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.640 machine learning, because I hate that it gets lumped in 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.520 with AI, but machine learning has gotten up a lot, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:26.800 but it. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:27.960 Is really good. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.720 It's it's good at note taking and here's the thing, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.800 and that's alliable and there's different devices that you can 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.440 get it on. Like I saw like like a note 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.000 taking pin that's a pin that just automatically takes notes 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.000 for you, and that was like, you know, kind of 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.840 like kind of kind of fun. But the thing is 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.400 you can do this exact same thing on your phone 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.760 with the jet GPT app. It's the exact same thing. Yes, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.120 you don't need it in a pen, just turn your 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.920 phone on and it'll auto do the notes for you. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.440 The actual product part is useless. The whole idea of 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.680 the smartphone is that you have everything you need already 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:58.000 on it. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.000 And that's why I did respect again companies like trans 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.200 Ai where it's like, no, this is actually on device, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.040 and this is a thing. This is that better utility 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.080 that my phone doesn't have, which is that no matter 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.240 where I am, even if I'm not connected to the internet, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.640 I can translate and I can transcribe using this device. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.760 That's real utility. And transa is not the only company. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.320 A couple of companies had products like that. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.160 Yeah, we saw this emotion tracking pendant which is oh 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.800 my god, on device, which which listens to everyone. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.040 So you said motion, not emotion, no emotion, oh god, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.240 but it listens. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.200 It listens to everything you're saying. It doesn't uput anything 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.080 to cloud, but it in the AA is on device, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.160 so it listens everything. It is like emotional sentiment analysis. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.320 It also monitors your breath and your heartbeat because the 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.480 necklace like rests like on your chest, and then it 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.120 like talk and then it can like analyze like around 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.760 like six or seven. That's mystic seven different emotions, and 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.560 like it was like, fine, I don't I would never 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.200 need this thing to tell me how I'm feeling. I 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.920 know how to feel, but like it might be fun 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.320 for some people to track how they're feeling or be like, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.520 oh I was more stressed. I was more stressed this 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.360 week than like last week, and like still. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.280 And there's even there's at least a degree of baseline 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.360 optimism that you have for the product when it's like, Okay, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.760 this is a device where you're trying to track people's emotions, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.040 and your immediate first thing you decided as a company 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.280 was this can't go on the cloud. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:21.919 That would be a responsible This. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.600 Is why that was the first thing I asked, right. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.440 Right, And that is I guess the most important fundamental 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.400 difference between companies and people here and between the companies 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.680 that are embracing to some extent AI is the ones 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.320 who whose default was like, well, but we're doing something 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:40.240 that involves emotions or that involves like interviews or conversations 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.840 that people might not want on like we shouldn't have 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.520 that on the cloud, versus the people who are like, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.959 why wouldn't you put literally everything on the cloud. Why 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.200 don't you want your health and medical data on the cloud. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.680 Why don't we want your financial data on the cloud? Right, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.520 Like that is kind of like the most fundamental difference 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:55.680 that you see between people. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.040 Here, part and parcel of the insatiable like just drive 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:03.200 for endless value. And probably the comparisons between this convention 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.400 and its location Las Vegas are really overlaiden at this point, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.840 but I mean there is something about, like, you know, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.440 the appeal of gambling is the promise of the speculative 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.600 promise of endless value, and how all of these technologies 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.040 are selling themselves off of endless value. And for the 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.760 producer side, that means like this this device has endless 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.800 function potentially, you know, we say endless functions. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:27.760 Especially with these like AI devices. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.800 Yeah yeah, but from the consumer side, it's from a well, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.800