1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Rivals is a production of I Heart Radio. Hey everyone, 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: this is Rivals, the show about music beefs and feuds 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: and long simming resentments. I'm Steve and I'm Jordan's you know, Jordan. 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: One of the things I really love about this show 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: is that not only do we get to talk about 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: great artists and great bands, we get to talk about 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: wonderful people, you know, people with with with good hearts 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: and in great minds. And unfortunately we're not gonna be 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: doing that in this episode. No, No, today is not 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: one of those days. This is not a field good day. 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to have to maybe take 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: a shower after this episode. I'm I'm feeling already sleazy. 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Uh after all the research that we did into this 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: and and listening to the volleys that went back and 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: forth between these two artists, this is not going to 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: be the episode I played for my mother, Let's just 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: put it that way. No. But on the upside, we 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: will get the basically battle rap with each other, So 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: that's that's something to look forward to. That's true. I 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: feel like we've been building towards a battle rap over 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: these episodes. There's been tension building, and you know, sometimes 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: just to have a good battle wrap it. Uh, it 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: could be cathartic. This is the season people will finally 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: have that moment. So in this episode we're gonna be 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: talking about the rivalry between Eminem and Machine Gun Kelly. Uh. 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: This is not one of the great rap feuds of 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: all time. I I feel like in a way, you 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: could maybe even argue that this is the sign that 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: rap feuds are are played out. Maybe you talk about 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: the nineties, you had all these great beefs between rappers. 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: Of course, he had Biggie and Tupac, had jay Z 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: and Nas all down the line, and when you get 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: to the end of the line, you have Eminem and 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly. Right, does it feel that way to you? 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: It seems like he's picking a fight. Machine Gun Kelly 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: is picking a fight for publicity in my opinion, But 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: also it seems like Eminem's this guy who doesn't know 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: when to not fight back, to not feed the trolls, 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: to really not give into this because it, as we'll 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: get into, he reignited a feud from like six years 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: earlier for seemingly no reason. So yes, this is one 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: of the more pointless feuds. I think we'll get into 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: but there's something fascinating in just how random it all seems. Yeah, 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just the gap of time. It's 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the fact that one person is Eminem arguably one of 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the I mean not arguably, he is one of the 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: most famous rappers of all time, and the other guy's 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly, who is machine Gun Kelly. Enough said there, 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: you know, this is not one of the great sort 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: of balanced matchups. This is not a culture clash of 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: the ages. This is no and yeah, this is not 52 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: too great artists going into the rapp ring too, you know, 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: measure their skills against one another. This is a very 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: famous guy, and well it also Ran. Yeah, I think 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: it's safe to call him shine Gun Kelly and also Ran. 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: But because of their opposing characteristics, as you said, Eminem's 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: almost pamp will be in need to have conflict, and 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: then machine Gun Kelly, who is just a troll basically 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: and and wants attention, it results in this perfect storm 60 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: or I don't really want to use the word perfect 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: to describe anything in this rivalry. Let's just call it 62 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: a imperfect perfect ball of slea's and grossness, tornado of bile, 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: tornado of bile and it's resulting what we're gonna talk 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: about today. So without further ado, let's dive into this mess. Alright, Well, 65 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: first you gotta start with Eminem. I mean, what can 66 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: you say, one of the greatest mcs of his generation 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: are probably any other generation, and it's still fair to 68 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: say that, right. I mean, I feel like Eminem like 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: the bloom is off the rose with him a little bit, 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, especially now we look at some of the 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: things he said in the early two thousand's. It's politically 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: incorrect to to put it mildly, but I mean, I 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: feel like you still have to give him props for 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: his skills, right, I mean, I there's still records of 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: his that I enjoy, oh absolutely, I mean, from his 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: narratives to even just like his his putdowns and asides. 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: He's incredibly skilled at both. He's rapid, he's fluid. He's 78 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: got really, in my opinion, unparalleled mix of commercial success 79 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: and critical acclaim. It's one on Oscar, for God's sakes, 80 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: which is still nuts to me. I think that loving 81 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: or hate him, you can't really argue with his with 82 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: his success, and he also has the myth behind him 83 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: because you know we're talking about his bio here, but 84 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: we all know he's from Detroit. For those of you 85 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: who haven't seen Eight Mile, I was gonna say, did 86 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: he actually grow up near eight Mile Road? Is that 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: for real? It's for real? Yeah? I know in my head, 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: I kind of blend the movie plot with his actual biography, 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: but I think that part's real. So tell us more 90 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: about his background. When he started rapping in high school, 91 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: and he started joining freestyle battles as a team, and 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: it was predominantly a an African American community, but he 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: was accepted just by his raw talent alone, and he 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: was recruited to join several hip hop collectives, groups like 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: the New Jack's, Soul Intent and most notably D twelve 96 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: and UM. And that was kind of how he first 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: started cutting his teeth. And he released his first album 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: called Infinite, and it didn't really do a lot. It 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: had some underground recognition but didn't blow up in any stretch. Um. 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: But then he endured a series of personal setbacks. He 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: split up with his girlfriend Kim, with whom he had 102 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: his beloved daughter, Haley Um. He moved in with his 103 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: mother and fell into a spiral of substance abuse and depression. 104 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: I think he attempted suicide at this point. Uh. And 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: it was during this dark period, this sort of dark 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: night of the soul, that he developed his famous alter ego, 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: Slim Shady, which has basically been described of his sort 108 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: of like dark It basically an outlet for his rage 109 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: and anger and violent imagery became Slim's hallmark and this 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: informed his verses on his next his next work, the 111 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: Slim Shady EP, and that him a lot of attention 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: that earned him contracts from Interscope Records and Jimmy Ivan 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: put him in touch with Dr Dre hip Hop legend obviously, 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: who would become his mentor, and the result was the 115 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: Slim Shady LP in first global smash with My Name 116 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: is Huge, Huge, absolutely just a monster record, both sales 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: wise and just in the cultural conversation. People didn't know 118 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: what to make of this guy, I mean, just the rage, 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: the venom. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's hard in 120 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: a way, you feel like you're overstating, like how big 121 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: Eminem was at this time, you know, especially for people 122 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: that weren't alive at the time or maybe too young 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: to remember it. But you're right it was this cultural 124 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: earthquake at a time where it's that weird time like 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: before the Internet and social media really took over, and 126 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: where MTV and the radio had outsized influence on like 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: what people heard. And I remember when m A first 128 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: came around. I was in college and I was still 129 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: watching a lot of MTV at that point, and I 130 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: feel like, Hi, my name is you know, like his 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: first big single was literally on TV every fifteen minutes. 132 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: You know, If it wasn't every fifteen minutes, it was 133 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: every twenty minutes. I mean, it just seemed like he 134 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: was set up to be a star from the first 135 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: time you heard about him, Like they were treating him 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: like he was already the biggest thing on the planet, 137 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: and he pretty much became that. Yeah, I mean the 138 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Marshall Mathews LP followed in two thousands, and between those 139 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: two albums, just I think they both were diamonds. They 140 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: definitely both were number one for a number of weeks 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: they I think, um, Marshall Mathews LP he sold two 142 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: million copies in its first two weeks alone. And just 143 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: to put that in perspective, it's a month into a 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: month after his latest album, Music to Be murdered by 145 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: has been out and he's only sold a hundred thousands, 146 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: so I mean, just incredible sales. But as you said, 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: the cultural conversation around him was just it was everywhere. 148 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not only taking shots at huge stars 149 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: of the day, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Will Smith and 150 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: sang Clown Posse. I think in Sync was in there. 151 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: He's just disinc everybody. But just the violent visions and 152 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: total tounge of his outrage on these albums was just shockings, 153 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: absolutely shocking too to everyone. I mean, he reconciled with 154 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: with him at this point and he raps about killing her. 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: He has a song about his mother called kill You. 156 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Just things that that he really had an uncanny knack 157 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: for offending everybody, um but his talent, so to let 158 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: him get away with it in some ways. Well, we 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: also have to mention the song Stand, which is maybe 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: the most culturally lasting song from that record, just in 161 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: terms of the lexicon. I don't know if he invented 162 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: stan as a name for an obsessive fan, but it 163 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: was certainly popularized by that song and now people to 164 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: say Stand all the time, you know, twenty years after 165 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: that song came out, and what's interesting to me about 166 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: Eminem is that along with just how enormous he was, 167 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: and again it was I don't know if in my 168 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: lifetime that I can recall well many pop stars being 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: that popular for like a two or three year stretch, 170 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: but certainly rappers. I feel like that mass media machine 171 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: was still churning, so he was really huge. And normally, 172 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: especially in hip hop, you expect some sort of decline 173 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: to come into play by the time of like your 174 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth album, and it seemed like it was 175 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: going to do that with Eminem around the time of Relapse, 176 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: which came out two thousand nine, that was like his 177 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: first record in five years, and then he just has 178 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: this incredible kind of revival in two thousand ten, puts 179 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: out Recovery. It's a huge hit, and it sets him 180 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: up for this decade in the two thousand tents where 181 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: he's not as big as he was maybe in the 182 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: early odds, but he's still like a pretty popular rapper, 183 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: and he's maintained this position in the culture where other 184 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: people that have come along that you would think might 185 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: have replaced him, they've failed, like he's still hung around 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: even as He's moved into his like late forties now, 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: which I believe sets the stage for Machine Gun Kelly 188 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: one of the would be challengers to Eminem's crown. Um 189 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: and uh hasn't really worked out that way for him, 190 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: has it? Uh? No, not yet? I mean, in fact, 191 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: at this point, it seems like he's best known for 192 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: feuding with em and m which is probably not how 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: he really wanted that whole thing to go. Well, I 194 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: gotta say, like, Okay, going into this episode, I had 195 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: never heard a Machine Gun Kelly song, or at least 196 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: that I was aware of. I realized that there was 197 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: one song that he did that I was was familiar with, 198 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: which is the song bad Things. It was a duet 199 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: with comedo Caballo, which came out I think a couple 200 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: of years ago. And I know it because that song 201 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: essentially lifted the melody from a song called out of 202 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: My Head by the nineties alt rock band Fastball of 203 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: the Way. However, gen x er, Yeah, of the Way, 204 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: And although I always thought out of my Head was 205 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the better song, it was like the second or third 206 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: single from that album. Um, this nice little Oregon pop 207 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: soul record. What was that record? All the money can 208 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: buy something like that, all the paying money can buy. Yes, 209 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: shout out to Fastball. Uh. So I knew Machine Gun 210 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: Kelly from that. Otherwise I just knew him from his 211 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: acting work, like he placed Tommy Lee in the Motley 212 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: Crue biopic The Dirt Terrible Movie by the Way, which 213 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: you can watch on Netflix. Um. And he was also 214 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: in the Cameron Crow show about Rhodis, which I believe 215 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: was called Rhodis. He does a monologue about Mike McCready 216 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: in that show that I remember. So I mostly knew 217 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: him as dating Amber Rose. That was my main uh 218 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: after after with Khalifa. My knowledge of Machine Gun Kelly's 219 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: catalog is is pretty minimal. Like did you delve deep? 220 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: Like do you know more? And I do about him? Uh? 221 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: Probably not. Um. He was born in Cleveland, rapper he 222 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: I did learn that he became the first rapper to 223 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: win Amateur Night at Harlem's Apollo Theater, which blew my mind. 224 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: I I checked several sources on that, and that is 225 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: in fact true. Um, and that kind of and he 226 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: was a teenager he was like seen something like that. 227 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: So he's another Midwest rapper, you know. I don't think 228 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: he's talked a lot about this, but I assume that 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: he he certainly grew up listening to Eminem. I mean, 230 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: there's no way he didn't grow up like he would 231 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: have been ten years old or so when those records hit, 232 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: like the big first couple of records. So I'm sure 233 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: that was not only an influence on him, but it 234 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: might have been like a gateway drug for him and 235 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: to get into hip hop. I mean, has he ever 236 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: talked about that? Um? I think in the in the tweet, 237 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: that's what I started this whole thing off. He talks 238 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: about Eminem being a king, so he has, uh, in 239 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: interviews and on social media before their whole feud started, 240 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: talked about how he he is. You know, he's idle uh. 241 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably why he wanted to take 242 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: him down. He idolized him so much. And this is, 243 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, amateur psychologist, but uh, he wanted that position 244 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: for himself, I think. But uh, but yeah, we should 245 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: dive into the actual feud, which started in May. There 246 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: was a viral photo of Eminem's now sixteen year old 247 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: daughter Haley that went viral and uh, and you know 248 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those posts that were always said I 249 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: want to feel old. Checkout Eminem's daughter Haley now and 250 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: um and it was making the rounds and Machine Gun 251 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Kelly apparently saw it and wrote that Eminem's daughter is 252 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: hot as fun and she was sixteen and he was 253 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: in his um mid twenties, I believe. Um, yeah, yeah, 254 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: that was uh, you know, we were talking about this earlier, 255 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: about just like the wonderful people that we're gonna be 256 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: talking about in this episode, and uh yeah that that's 257 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: uh talking about the normally you feel like, Okay, Eminem, 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: he's often in the wrong maybe with his with his 259 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: rivalries and like his smack talking with other people. But 260 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, if someone tells your daughter that 261 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: she's hot as fuck, yeah, it would be wrong. And again, 262 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: like you know, and this was around the time that 263 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: he was trying to get his career going too, right. 264 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he had a record I think that came 265 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: out around two thousand and twelve. Um, yeah, yeah, this 266 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: is very very Machine Gun Kelly's career. So yeah, so 267 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: so so he's kind of reaching out to the King's 268 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: daughter here, and you know, and we alluded to this earlier, 269 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: but you know, Eminem, you would think that by two 270 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: thousand twelve, that he would have been off the stage, 271 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: and that this young up and coming guy from Cleveland, 272 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, who has some skills as a rapper. I mean, 273 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: as you said, he won the amateur night at the 274 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Apollo Theater. And you think, Okay, Eminem's going he's he's 275 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: going to exit the white rapper lane, and uh, I'm 276 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna go in there. You know, if you're thinking that 277 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: machine gun Kelly, that's his That's probably what he was 278 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: thinking at the time. And uh, I personally don't think 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: there was a deeper thought behind this tweet. I don't 280 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: think there was any kind of of deeper, deeper feeling 281 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: behind this. I think it was just a pure impulse. Uh. 282 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, obviously, referring to anybody's teenage 283 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: daughter in these terms in a public farm isn't the 284 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: best thing you could be doing. In fact, I would 285 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: argue it's a not good thing that you're doing. But 286 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: this is Eminem we're talking about, who you know, has 287 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: been known for writing rap verses about killing people and 288 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: having sex with those skulls, for significantly less in referring 289 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: to his daughter and these very uh ungallant terms. So 290 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: don't he's poking the bear. He's poking the bear here, 291 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: and it's a bear bear that he idolizes. So I 292 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: don't really understand what he thought was gonna happen. Well, 293 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I think I think in his mind he probably thought, well, Okay, 294 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Eminem is gonna fade. I'm coming up and we'll have 295 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: like a little back and forth and it will help 296 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: me because I'm the young guy, and Eminem will go down. 297 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: But what's weird about this is that he doesn't go down. Yeah, 298 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: his Pavlovian need to respond to any sort of slight 299 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't respond to this. And I wonder if maybe 300 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: he didn't even notice it. You know, maybe he had 301 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: like really good blockers on his Twitter, you know, like 302 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: a really good filter that like the Machine Gun Kelly 303 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: tweets don't go through because um, there's like really no 304 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: response to this at all, and it doesn't really continue 305 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: it for until like three years later. Well, yeah, machine 306 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Gun Kelly goes on Hot ninety seven and he talks 307 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: about how he believes that Eminem had him banned from 308 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: Shade fort presumably due to this tweet, and um, and 309 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Shade forty five is is eminem serious radio station? By 310 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: the way, and he's convinced that he's been banned from 311 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: it because of this. And apparently that's what really pissed 312 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: Eminem off the most was that this kid thought that 313 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: he would be he would get to Eminem to the 314 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: degree where he would he would have him blacklisted. I 315 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: guess that's the thing that really offended him most. Yeah, 316 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: this another interesting wrinkle here, because you know, Eminem ended 317 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: up doing an interview um several years later after all 318 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: this happened. By the way, this this this, this rivalry 319 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: moves at a snail's pace. By the way, this is 320 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: like the you know, the gun with the wind of 321 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: musical of rap rivalry and very slow build. But anyway, 322 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: Eminem didn't interview was Sway many years later, and he 323 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: said that it wasn't the fact that machine gun Kelly 324 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: said his daughter was hot as fuck that made him mad. 325 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: It was the fact that you, like you just said 326 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that that machine gun Kelly was shooting his mouth off 327 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: and saying that Eminem was like trying to somehow hurt 328 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: his career. And Eminem was like, I don't care about 329 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: your career. Why would I care about your career. I'm 330 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm Eminem in your Machine Gun Kelly, like, there's really 331 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: nothing to stop with your career. You think it was 332 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: actually think about you at all. Yes, he's given him 333 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: the Don Draper too, you know in the other of it, 334 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's like I don't think of you at all, 335 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: which I think is a pretty plausible explanation. Again, he 336 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: seems weirdly cool with the Hailey stuff. It's like, I 337 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: think you were justified and getting piste off about that. 338 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: But you know, if this is the thing you're mad 339 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: about that, I guess that's fine, all right hand, We'll 340 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: be right back with more rivals. Even after Machine Gun, 341 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: Kelly says this stuff about and I'm trying to hurt 342 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: my career and I'm still not saying anything. Skip ahead 343 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: another three years. Okay, So we've gone six years now 344 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: since the initial volley, and we finally get to a 345 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: disc track, the first disc track of this rivalry, and 346 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: this is where things start to pick up a little bit. 347 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: So like in March of Machine Gun, Kelly appears on 348 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: a song by Tech nine called No Reason, and he 349 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: appears to reference the eminem A single Rap God, from 350 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: which is a pretty crappy song. By the way, do 351 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: you know rap God. Yes, uh not one of the 352 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: better ones. No, No, I think that's from like the 353 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Marshall Mathers, which if you're making sequels to albums, that's 354 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: not a bad sign. That's a bad sign. I mean. 355 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: And also he did the Monster, which I thought was 356 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: a sequel to Love the Way You Lie with Rihanna, 357 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: which I think it was a much better song. Yeah, 358 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like like it's like meat Loaf 359 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: did sequels to his albums, and it's like you're following 360 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: in meat loafs foot stuff and actually meat Loaf in 361 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: Defensive meat Loaf the Baron of Hell saga, it demanded 362 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: a sequel, but like the Marshall Mathers saga, I don't 363 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: think really needed a sequel. It just seems like a 364 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: cash in. I would like to say, would if you 365 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: if you do a memoir, I would like your memoir 366 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: to be titled in Defensive meat Loaf. Well, and I'm 367 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: also defending Jim Steinman shout out to Jim Stein. Then 368 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: I just watched The Class Jim Simon, if you're listening 369 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: to this episode, so this is the lyric where machine 370 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Gun Kelly takes a shot at Eminem. He says, I 371 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: popped cherries and pop stars. You popsicles. It's not hard, 372 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: popped in and out of the top charts, out the 373 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: cop car to remind y'all, you just wrap. You're not God, 374 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: and I don't care who got bars. I think Jordan 375 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to be honest with me. I need I 376 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: need to be honest with me here. Um, how stupid 377 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: do I sound reciting Machine Gun Kelly lyrics on a 378 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: scale of one to ten, ten being extremely stupid. Um, 379 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't think you would have one amateur night against 380 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: machine Gun Kelly at the Apollo. Let me put it 381 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: that way. Okay, I my flow is not very good, 382 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna the emotion was the size the material there? Yeah, 383 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: the material was not that great. But anyway, Um, so, Eminem, 384 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: here's this. He hears machine gun Kelly saying you popsicles 385 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: is not hard, And this is finally the thing, the 386 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: popsicle line. This is finally the thing that sets Eminem off. Uh, 387 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: He's finally gonna respond to machine Gun Kelly. Six years 388 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: after the initial transgression by machine Gun Kelly, happens in August, 389 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: and it's from a song called not Alike. It's a 390 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: collaboration with Royce to five nine. Is it five inch 391 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: five ft nine inch? I think I'm not sure. I 392 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: think it was Royce the five nine. But okay, Royce 393 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: the five nine, Andy, Royce the five nine. In this song, 394 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: he says, but next time, you don't got to use 395 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: tech nine if you want to come at me with 396 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: a submachine gun. And I'm talking to you, but you 397 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: already know who the funk you are, Kelly, I don't 398 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: use sublimbs. Is it sublish? Is it okay? So it's 399 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: sort of like a little abbreviate. Yeah, is that like 400 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: a common thing. I've never heard someone say sublims. I've 401 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: never done that. But I sound like the most middle 402 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: aged white dude of all time talking about this right now. 403 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: I apologize, but I gotta come correct and say I 404 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: got a question to Blooms anyway, So Blooms and sure 405 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: as fuck don't sneak this. But keep commenting on my 406 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: daughter Haley referencing. That's whole mess. I keep on telling 407 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: motherfucker's bitches. In case you forgot, We're gonna need that 408 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: little explicit sticker on this episode. By the way, I 409 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: think we've already said some pretty big swears. I don't know. 410 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully your kids are not listening to this episode anyway. 411 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: The only thing we have in common is I'm a 412 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: dick and you suck. Oh man, I don't feel good. 413 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't feel good saying that last part that No, 414 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: I definitely, yeah, I feel terrible about that. What's funny 415 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: about this is like, Okay, this is a Tech nine 416 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: track and apparently technic I didn't know that he was 417 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: talking about Eminem. So then like he like totally like 418 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: through machine Gun Kelly under the bus. Isn't that what happened? 419 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? He Uh. Instagram's a tech screen shot between 420 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: him and the producer saying, oh my god, I had 421 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: no idea he was talking about m which kind of 422 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: has a little bit of it. It smacks of, you know, 423 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: he Goth protest too much a little bit, but pretty 424 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: pretty funny. So yeah, like machine Gun Kelly, he's just 425 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: totally on an island at this point. Yeah, like Eminem, 426 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: he's finally got an Eminem's attention, and not only did Eminem, 427 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: everybody's just left him. Yeah, exactly, And because they all 428 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: know it's like, wait, why am I with Machine Gun 429 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: Kelly when I could piss off Eminem. That's not good 430 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: for me. You know, that's just smart thinking on Tech 431 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: nine's part. So machine Gun Kelly, instead of crawling back 432 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: under the rock where he may maybe he should have stayed, 433 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: he comes back. He goes nuclear at Eminem. Yeah, and 434 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: and this is like his magnam opus. Can we call 435 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: it that? This is yeah, I would say so. I 436 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: I have a hard time imagining that he's going to 437 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: top this, but hey, I'd love to be proven wrong. 438 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is it's certainly like the I think 439 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: the most famous song of this rivalry, Like this is 440 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: the first song that I remember hearing about um, like 441 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: when these two were squabbling. So it was you know, 442 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: this was the song. And I'm referring to Wrap Devil 443 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: by the Way, which came out in September. I feel 444 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: like this was the first song to sort of transcend, 445 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: maybe like the rap circles where people were you know, 446 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: mildly interested in this important came out like maybe a 447 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: week and a half after after not alike, because the turnaround, 448 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: right was really quick. Now this is when the huge 449 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: starts picking up exactly because we've you know, as we've said, 450 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: it took forever to get this for this to get going. 451 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think I said gun with the wind earlier. 452 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: It's sort of like a Lord of the Rings movie, maybe, 453 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, to use a more topical reference. You know, 454 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we're finally getting to the battle, like 455 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: we've we've been in the shire for like an hour 456 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: and a half, you know, like, but we're finally getting 457 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: too good stuff. And so Wrap Devil comes out, you know, 458 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: a week and a half after Eminem's volley, and uh, 459 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: I gotta say that there are some lines in the 460 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: song that I think are pretty good. Like okay, so 461 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning, he says, I, yeah, yeah, yeah, someone 462 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: needs to like record me reciting these lyrics and like 463 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: put like a rapiat under it, you know, and just 464 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: like like the worst hip hop song of all time. 465 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: Um I somebody grabbed him some clippers. His fucking beard 466 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: is weird. Now I think that's an app I think 467 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: that's an app criticism. You know, by this time, you know, Eminem, 468 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: he uh he emerged with this beard that um you know, 469 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: it made him It looked like one of those that 470 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: have a beard. But then there's like if you can 471 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: wash it off with water. It was kind of like that, right. 472 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: You know. Look, he's a guy in his forties, so 473 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: he has like the forty ish guy bod at this 474 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: point to so it's it's hanging out a little bit, 475 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: and he has the beard and he kind of looks 476 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: like a guy. It looks like you should be in 477 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: Three Doors Down or Shine Down or like one of 478 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: those bands, you know, like just like like the one 479 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: of the like we're just guys being dudes type bands. 480 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: That's what he looks like at this He makes fun 481 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: of these sweatpants too, or a sweatsuit. I think it's 482 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: a song he makes fun of his sweatsuit in the 483 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: song too Yeah, which again apt criticism. You know, we've 484 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: been taking a lot of shots at machine Gun Kelly. 485 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: But there's in Wrap Double he really does step up. Okay, 486 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: there's another line here. He says, took you six years 487 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: in a surprise album just to come up with a 488 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: diss apt criticism. Well done, fucking do we All you 489 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: do is read the dictionary and stay inside. I don't. 490 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing to read the 491 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: dictionary and try to improve your vocabulary. I mean, you 492 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: know that's a that there's a positive attributes, especially as 493 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: one ages into middle age. Exactly, I'm I'm gonna the 494 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: ducks some points for that one. So yeah, he makes 495 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: fun of the sweatsuits, as you said, and he makes 496 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: fun of Eminem's corny hats, you know, he makes some 497 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: of his heights. He calls him Oscar the Grouch and 498 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: then makes fun of him for being an Oscar winner, 499 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: which again, it's like, how many people are Oscar winners? 500 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: You know. I don't know if that's something you should 501 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: make fun of someone about, but anyway, it threatens to 502 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: call ems his ex wife, presumably to do all sorts 503 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: of things that you wouldn't want someone like Machine Gun 504 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: Kelly to do to your ex wife. Um, what's your 505 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: favorite line from the song? Because you have a line 506 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: that you that you love from this man. I mean 507 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: my favorite is that is all you do is read 508 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: the dictionary and stay inside. I just think that's that's 509 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: pretty choice in this well, because we were talking about 510 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: this before and owner outline, you said you love the 511 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: line last time you saw eight mile was at home 512 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: on a treadknot, which is a good line. Again. Okay, 513 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: so I was kind of mad at Machine Gun Kelly 514 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: for the dictionary line, and also for making fun of 515 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: the oscar. Yeah, because I think you're out of your 516 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: depth there. But yeah, the treadmill line and the line 517 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: about the beard, I think he's right on. So this 518 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: is like where he's kind of hitting his peak, I 519 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: think with with wrap double oh. Absolutely. And the best 520 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: part is he shares the song with a sort of 521 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: manifesto posted on Twitter machine gun Kelly does. He says, 522 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: I'm standing up not just for myself but my generation. 523 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: And he's now he's addressing eminem right. I mean this, 524 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: he's criticizing somebody's you know, love of the Dictionary for 525 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: his generation. Um well again, I mean but I think 526 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: it goes back to what we were talking about at 527 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: the beginning, where on his part, and this might have 528 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: been subliminal on some level that he felt like, well, 529 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: it's my generation's turn to have the spotlight. It's my 530 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: turn basically to be the reigning you know, white guy, 531 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: surly uh attitude, you know, grumpy guy at the top 532 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: of the rap heep, get out of the way, grandpa, 533 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: and Grandpa won't leave because he's just way better than him. 534 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: And and that's his frustration with that, and it becomes 535 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: this sort of generational battle. Eminem's official response to this 536 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: comes very soon after September. It's like mid September. I 537 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: guess it's about a week and a half again after 538 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Wrap Devil comes out, so we're really moving at a 539 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: quick pace here, and he puts out the song kill 540 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Shot and man, this song is awful. To god, this 541 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: is a I gotta say, I think, like Wrap Devil 542 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: is like my favorite song out of this whole run, 543 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: even though I think Eminem would win this battle overall, 544 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: because I mean, kill Shot sucks, even even if like 545 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: Eminem is in the right for going back at machine 546 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: gun Kelly, like this is uh, this is line. He says, 547 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: here's the autograph of your daughter. I wrote it on 548 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a starter Cap stands on. Listen, man dead isn't mad, 549 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: But how are you going to name yourself after a 550 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: damn gun and have a man bun? I mean, if 551 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna make that of a man's beard and sweatsuit, 552 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: a man bun, comment is probably gonna come your way, 553 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: I guess. But he's punch Seminem punching down. He's punching down, 554 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: and he's also rhyming damn gun and man Bun, I mean, 555 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: come on, man, And also he's dragging a bunch of 556 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: innocent women into this. He's talking about Rihannazalea Halsey, who 557 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: I guess um machine Gun Galley had some kind of 558 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: relationship with. Um. Yeah, it's punching down all around, but 559 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: he does have a really good sort of death blow 560 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: in it. He says, I'd rather be eighty year old 561 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: me than twenty year old you, which, yeah, that's game, 562 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: set match right there. I think even if he is 563 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: talking about man Bun's, you know, it's still better to 564 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: be Eminem. At this point, we're going to take a 565 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: quick break and get a word from our sponsor before 566 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: we get two more rivals. After kill shot, this whole 567 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: revelry is starting to lose some steam, and I feel like, uh, 568 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: in the way that Machine Gun Kelly responded to this, 569 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: he was letting, I think some of the hurt come 570 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: out uh that. Uh, you know, I think you really 571 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: just wanted acknowledgement from Eminem and maybe for them to 572 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: throw some volleys back and forth good naturedly and ultimately 573 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: be friends, whereas Eminem is just annoyed by this guy 574 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: and wants nothing to do with him, you know you're 575 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: right when when he put that message out on Twitter, 576 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: when he put Rapped Devil out, he said, I'm doing 577 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: the same thing you did back in the day, and 578 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: and reading it in context, it seems like he's saying, like, 579 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm just responding the way you would have, 580 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: but kind of looking back out on it. From the 581 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: stuff that he says later, it almost seems like he 582 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: is looking for his approvi. He sa, and I'm doing Look, 583 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm Aren't you proud of me for on some level 584 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: for coming out either way you would have back in 585 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: the day. Don't you see something in me? Don't you 586 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: see me as a young you in any kind of way, 587 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: because he does say in an interview in the Breakfast 588 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: Club Um after kill Shot comes out, he basically says, yeah, 589 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, I have another song, another distract ready to go. 590 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: But kill Shot was so weak that we're just I'm 591 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: just gonna holster that I'm gonna put that away for 592 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,239 Speaker 1: later because I don't want to do that to him 593 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: because he's so pathetic, and he says, I really just 594 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him, to have a conversation to 595 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: hash it out as two guys and Eminem never responded, 596 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: so he said, you know, you know what he blew it. 597 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: He blew it. I'm I'm I'm done with him, uh, 598 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: which is is sad. As he said, it's almost like 599 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: he did want some kind of recognition from his hero 600 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: and it never it never came. He got the disk 601 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: track and nothing else. And there was also that weird 602 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: thing about like Machine Gun Kelly's entourage beating up a 603 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: guy was on the Netflix show Ozar like It's like 604 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: it was like Gabriel g rod Rodriguez, who's an actor, 605 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: He's on that that show Ozark, and apparently he like 606 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: videotaped himself calling Machine Gun Kelly a pussy and then 607 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: he said it he said it wasn't right for machine 608 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: Gun Kelly to go for Eminem's family, which I mean, 609 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: it is is a fair criticism. And then I guess 610 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: machine Gun kelly security team jumped him in the parking 611 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: lot of a Hampton Inn in Atlantic, which you know, 612 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: of all the terrible things that have happened in the 613 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: parking lot of a Hampton Inn in Atlanta, that at 614 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: least makes the top one d Yeah, it at least 615 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: makes the top one hundred. Uh So, you know, we're 616 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: really seeing a real de evolution at this point. And finally, 617 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: in in January, Eminem puts out the song accommodating the 618 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: track on his surprise album, Music to be Murdered By? 619 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: I have you listened to Music to be Murdered By? 620 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: By the way, did you put that record on it all? 621 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: I put it on right when it came out. I 622 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: I skimmed it. I didn't get too deep into it. 623 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: I gave myself a treat by not listening to it. 624 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna treat myself by not listening to 625 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: this record. Um self, care care, so Eminem, He takes 626 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: another shot at machine gun Kelly. I don't know why. 627 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: At this point, he's saying, I won't topple. I'm not 628 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: giving it to anyone who want to come and get it. 629 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop. But when they asked me, is 630 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: the war finished with mg K? Of course it is. 631 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: I cleansed them of his mortal sins. I'm God, and 632 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: the Lord forgives even the Lord, even the devil worshippers. 633 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm moving on, But you know your scruples are gone 634 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: when you're born with Lucifer's horns so he says he's 635 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: done with it, but then he says, oh, by the way, 636 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: machine Gun Kelly, you're the devil, so I'm done with you. 637 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: But in closing, you're you're literally satan. Also, it's not 638 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: really a criticism. I mean, if Machine Gun Kelly have 639 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: the song Rap Devil, which he identifies himself as the 640 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: wrap Devil, so on a way, that's just kind of 641 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: like restating, do you think so you think it's just 642 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: sort of like tying a bow right on it and saying, yeah, 643 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I mean, I don't really 644 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: care at this point. Well, that's the thing about fuse 645 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: that continue whether we want them to or not, and 646 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: this feud has kept going is that the world didn't 647 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: have enough problems already. You know, we can't have a 648 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: moment's peace anywhere we go. But the best part is 649 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly here's unaccommodating and he's not happy, and 650 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: he tweets about it, saying, mad a f I just 651 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: stepped out of a loud room to hear this bullshit, 652 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 1: which maybe a new low and hip hop trash talk 653 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: when you think about it, like I'm so mad, I'm 654 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna leave the room, I mean right now. Well then okay, 655 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: So then he drops this song in March called Bullets 656 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: with Names. Have you have you heard this song? I 657 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: have it has some That song takes me to a 658 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: bad place, Stephen, I have to say it really does. Okay, 659 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: So all right, because I guess I'm the one who 660 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: has to read all the Machine Gun Kelly lyrics, so 661 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: I will go through this one as well. He says, Look, 662 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: I got a bullet with somebody's name on it. I 663 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: get up on him, killed me a goat g o 664 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: a t as in Greatest of of All Time. So 665 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: my jacket got stains on it, wiping my nose like 666 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: I got some cocaine on it. YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. 667 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: So he just he just decides again Machine Gun Kelly 668 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: to perpetuate this meaningless feud, which you know is pretty 669 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: weird because as far as like Valedictory distracts, go unaccommodating 670 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: was pretty zen, especially for Eminem. I mean, he's citing 671 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: forgiveness and moving on like those are definitely new words 672 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: in the m palette. I feel like the m of 673 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: Old would have had at least, like, you know, one 674 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: on complimentary reference to machine gun Kelly's or something in there. 675 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: But so we should have just let it lie. Yeah, 676 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: but you know, we can't ever let things lie on 677 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: this show. People have to feud or else we wouldn't 678 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: have anything to talk about. So let's try to find 679 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: meaning in this meaningless feud. If you were going to 680 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: make a pro machine gun Kelly case, I mean, wait, 681 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: what would it be? I mean, is it is it 682 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: essentially that he was just like this kid that wanted 683 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: attention and Eminem overreacted. I mean, is that his case? Basically? 684 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean talking about someone's daughter. Uh, 685 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: you're seating, You're seating. You're seeing the high ground to Eminem, 686 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: which which can be very hard to do. Um. That's 687 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: something that's interesting is that there are a lot of 688 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: sort of online Twitter conspiracy theorists who think that this 689 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: whole thing was staged, and there's actually some kind of 690 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: compelling evidence too. I guess that um Rap Devil was 691 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: uploaded to soundclouds six months before it was released, but 692 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: then it was immediately put to private. So there are 693 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people who think this whole thing is 694 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: just a giant act to try to boost Machine Gun 695 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: Kelly's career. They're on the same uh label Interscope, and 696 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: I think that at least two of the of the 697 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: dis tracts Not Alike and Rap Devil have the same 698 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: producer I forget his name, but so there there's some 699 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: evidence to support that, which is interesting compelling. I don't 700 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: know if it's true or not, but um, but okay, 701 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: arguing for Machine Gun Kelley man, yeah, I you I 702 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: got nothing. Yeah, I mean, I think the case is 703 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: that he's just like this kid that was trying to 704 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: get attention. And even if it's staged, which even makes 705 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: talking about this a bigger waste of time, but even 706 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: if it is staged, I think it does point to 707 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: the fact that that he had nothing to lose really 708 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: by doing this. That I mean, unless you want to 709 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: count his dignity. You know, he had his dignity to lose, 710 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: but I don't know if he had dignity, probably not. 711 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: So it was, you know, taking a shot at eminem um. 712 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: There's really no downside for him because either way if 713 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: if it if it works, it helps his career. If 714 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't work, well, he already doesn't have a great 715 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: career to begin with. I don't know about. I mean, 716 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: is it is it worse to be known for just 717 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: taking shots at a much more famous and successful and 718 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: talented person, you know, I mean like that almost feels worse, 719 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: Like like, is it worse to not be famous or 720 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: known as some famous persons funky? You know, I'd almost 721 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: prefer nominemity. Well in a way, you know, Machin Gun 722 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: and Kelly I think benefited from Eminem getting worse as 723 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: the two Thousand Tents war on because I think one 724 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: reason why Rap Devil works, I think relatively speaking, like 725 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Wrap Devil was a great disc track 726 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: or or a great song or anything, but in the 727 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: realm of this exceedingly stupid rivalry between these very one guy, 728 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: Eminem is very talented, but he's like maybe not the 729 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: best guy. But um, I think one reason why that 730 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: works because Eminem actually did become someone that you could 731 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: make fun of, like fairly easily. Like there were a 732 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of things about him that were pretty mockable. Uh, 733 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, starting with the beard that's weird, and you know, 734 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: his his corny hats, and and and and and the 735 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: list goes on forever, Like all the sort of corniness 736 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: that I think Eminem inevitably sort of devolved into as 737 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: he got older. But the gap between these two guys, 738 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: it never was going to close enough for Machine Gun 739 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: Kelly to bridge the gap. You know, even if like 740 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: Eminem became someone that was easier to make fun of, um, 741 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: he was, as you said, always going to be way 742 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: more successful, way more famous, and and and more talented. 743 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: So I guess coming into the conclusion of this, this 744 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: is the part of the episode where we like to 745 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: sort of step back and say, what have we learned, 746 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: what can we take from this story to improve ourselves, 747 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: and what can we say to perhaps spark reconciliation between 748 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: these two opposing forces, you know, who have been battling, 749 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: in this case battling throughout the two thousand tens and 750 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: into the early twenties. But I'm really tempted to say 751 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: that these guys should not be friends, and maybe no 752 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: one should be friends with either one of them. Well, 753 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: I think maybe a broader theme in this whole real 754 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: or staged rap battle is, uh, what does what does 755 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: a rap feud mean? In now? Are they kind of 756 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: a played out, spent thing they've been as something that 757 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: started as a very real. Um, competition between two artistic, 758 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: talented people devolved into a way to basically just sell albums. Yeah, 759 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: I mean I think that for something like this to work, 760 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: you definitely need two people that are on a similar plane. Um. 761 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: And if you don't have that, and you have this 762 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: situation where it's either it feels trumped up or it's 763 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: just flat outstaged. You know, as the conspiracy theorists say, Um, 764 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: all the noise in the world isn't going to make 765 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 1: it compelling enough as a battle for people to really 766 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: kind of invest themselves in it as we do with 767 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: the great rivalries. So in a way, this is sort 768 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: of like a meta rivalry to comment it's a commentary 769 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: on like how rivalries maybe have changed over the course 770 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: of the last several decades in pop music history. Um. 771 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: I also feel like the lesson here for anyone, and 772 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: it applies to pop stars and it applies to us 773 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: normal people. Don't feed the trolls. If you have a troll, 774 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: don't feed the trolls. And really, Eminem went a long 775 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: time without feeding the trolls. You know, he blew a 776 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: lot of stuff off, either knowingly or just because he 777 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: was in a different stratosphere for Machine Gun Kelly, and 778 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: he even noticed what was happening. But in a way, 779 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: when he opened his mouth, he made himself look stupid, 780 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: you know. He he kind of seemed cooler when he 781 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: wasn't responding to this stuff, and then when he responded 782 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: to it, um he seemed kind of fish. And he 783 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: addressed that too in interviews. He would say, he would say, 784 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in this weird position where if I 785 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: don't say anything, that's gonna look like he won. But 786 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: if I say something, that's giving him all sorts of validation, 787 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: not to mention attention and making him way more famous. 788 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: So he was in a difficult position, specifically him. I mean, 789 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: he's not if we can just avoid trolls because nobody cares, 790 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: but being Eminem and having somebody takes shots at you, 791 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: even if it is somebody who's comparatively a flee like 792 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: Machine Gun Kelly, it does his psyche. I don't think 793 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: we'll allow it in this way. Eminem is all of 794 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: us because we all say, don't feed the trolls, but 795 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: then we all kind of have our weak spots and 796 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: we give in. And it's like, even as he was 797 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: doing it, he knew it, like, shouldn't be doing this. 798 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm making a mistake, but I'm still gonna take a 799 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: out his man bun. I'm still gonna do it. And 800 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 1: he did it, and it was a mistake. So we'll 801 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: live and learn. We can learn, so so maybe we 802 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: can learn from that. This is what we'll take from 803 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: this episode. You know, don't feed the trolls. If there's 804 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: an annoying person in your life, ignore them, don't make 805 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: fun of their ponytail on top of their head. Move on, 806 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: and we'll all be happy. We won't be like M 807 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 1: and M and the machine Gun Kelly, which is really 808 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: I think the point of all of our existences. Everybody, 809 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: just where your man buns and your weird beards with pride. 810 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: It's all good, it's all love. I think inadvertently we've 811 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: we've arrived at the message of reconciliation in peace that 812 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: I didn't think we're going to get to in this episode. 813 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that's it. Weird beards and 814 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: man buns join joint hands, hair strands. Alright, Jordan, Well, 815 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a shower now, as I said, 816 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: and I'm going to forget that I recited all these 817 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: machine Gun Kelly lyrics and in a public for I'm 818 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: gonna go chop up some beats and put it over 819 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: them all man, Well until next week, all right? Looking 820 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:22,240 Speaker 1: forward to it. Rivals is a production of I Heart Radio. 821 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 1: The executive producers are shaun Ty Toone and Noel Brown. 822 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: The supervising producers are Taylor Chi Coogn and Tristan McNeil. 823 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm Jordan run Talk. I'm Stephen Hyden. 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